Whispers between Cookie Punk and Tenajeh

05/28/12 22:43:07 Tenajeh: Hi there. I would say, I'm sorry that I had to remove your share again, but I won't. Because I am not. Appearantly, you already asked Ari about this and she told you no of some reasons, you and her know best. I learned about them second hand, but it doesn't matter. I will not discuss those original reasons, as you overriding her by just asking the next owner is reason enough to not trust you with a share. Have a nice day, anyways. (Offline message sent May 28, 01:03pm FST) 05/28/12 22:49:27 Cookie Punk: Actually, for as far as I can recall, Ari has never given me a "no" answer. All I ever recall her saying was that she mentioned it to you before and thought that I changed my mind about it, and it was left at that. This really doesn't sound like a good enough reason to not trust me and I have a feeling you only did this because Ari has complained about me over a certain matter that was highly misunderstood and are judging me accordingly without getting the full story. (Offline message sent May 28, 10:49pm FST) 05/29/12 02:27:57 Cookie Punk: I just looked through my logs and there is no mention of Ari telling me "no" to any of it. If you want, I'll let you read the entire whisper log between me and Ari. (Offline message sent May 29, 02:27am FST) 05/29/12 02:54:39 Cookie Punk: Actually, here's this instead. This is the only thing Ari ever mentioned to me about working here (Offline message sent May 29, 02:54am FST) 05/29/12 02:54:42 Cookie Punk: 03/24/12 20:15:42 Ariante Oakenfold: ...I thought you said you didn't want the job. o.o 03/24/12 20:15:54 Cookie Punk: Nah, I did O.O 03/24/12 20:16:47 Ariante Oakenfold: Hm. 03/24/12 20:16:55 Ariante Oakenfold: ...Wasn't trying to overlook you. o.o 03/24/12 20:17:32 Ariante Oakenfold: I even spoke with Tena and asked her if she hired you. I... was under the impression even then, that you didn't want it. 03/24/12 20:18:15 Cookie Punk: Just felt like I was getting overlooked. Not mad about it or anything. Just kinda thought I wasn't too qualified or something after a while. 04/03/12 (Offline message sent May 29, 02:54am FST) 05/29/12 20:06:05 Tenajeh: Maaaaybe, when time has passed, things might grow well between you two again. But I suggest to not force it. (Offline message sent May 29, 12:05pm FST) 05/29/12 20:06:05 Tenajeh: This might have been older than that. However, there is still that incident that caused a certain tension between you and Ari. And I have no idea how to give you what you wish without seriously hurting her. And she was hurt, when she learned that I hired you. Sorry. (Offline message sent May 29, 12:02pm FST) 05/29/12 20:13:29 Cookie Punk: Great, back to that whole thing again. Ari blew up my friendly suggestion and made it seem like I was attacking her. If she's hurt by what I said then that's her own fault for seeing it that way after me and Cepea both explained where I was getting at. So, I take it trust has nothing to do with this at all and rather it is about not offending Ari yet again. Honestly, I knew Ari was going to gripe about me to you when I got hired, and I was hoping you'd have more sense about it. Ari isn't hurt, and just like Lani has pointed out to her already, she did it out of her own vendetta. (Offline message sent May 29, 08:13pm FST) 05/30/12 02:29:07 Cookie Punk: I'm sorry if that reply seemed harsh. Just got a little irritated. (Offline message sent May 30, 02:29am FST) 06/02/12 01:57:06 Tenajeh: I'm sorry that this got messy. But Ari already did say no in the first time. She is an owner of this place too and I respect her decision. Maybe there was a misunderstanding, maybe not. More important is that there are personal tensions between you and her. I hope, those can be solved in the future. And she was really upset when I hired you. (Offline message sent Jun 01, 08:58pm FST) 06/02/12 02:09:54 Cookie Punk: No, Ari didn't say anything. I know "no" means "no" and I am respectful of that. I would have remembered her telling me "no" and she never did. I am stating again, this is all about personal vendetta and that is the only reason why she griped to you to begin with. Think about this, what difference is there between me being on either side of the bar? Are me and her not still in the same area? So what difference does it make? You know me and Lani have a point and if you would like I can send you the log containing the dispute between me and Ari. I have done nothing wrong and I should not be getting this kind of treatment just because someone is having a hissy over something she completely misunderstood to begin with. If something doesn't

get resolved soon on fair terms for both sides, I'll take it up with Kinjara instead. (Offline message sent Jun 02, 02:09am FST) 06/02/12 06:23:18 Cookie Punk: Alrighty, here's the log where we had a discussion about a transgender. If this is what she's really mad at me over.....then I am just plain confused cause we were still after the fact. 06/02/12 06:23:22 Tenajeh: Hello! I must apologize that I still didn't manage to figure this problem out. 06/02/12 06:23:23 Cookie Punk: 03/05/12 21:33:01 Cookie Punk: Tell me if you think this is a guy or a girl. Not being rude, but I just think my friend is getting suckered again. 03/05/12 21:33:04 Cookie Punk: http://oi44.tinypic.com/2194979.jpg 03/05/12 21:35:56 Ariante Oakenfold: suckered how? 03/05/12 21:36:47 Ariante Oakenfold: She looks transgendered. 03/05/12 21:36:56 Ariante Oakenfold: ...I have a cheat sheet on that, by the way. 03/05/12 21:37:25 Cookie Punk: Person in the pic claims to be female. My friend got suckered once already by dating a girl who actually turned out to be a guy. Found out the hard way.....and...cheat sheet? O_o 03/05/12 21:37:44 Ariante Oakenfold: Turned out to be a guy, or was trans? 03/05/12 21:38:09 Cookie Punk: I'm guessing trans....but the plumbing was still there 03/05/12 21:38:14 Ariante Oakenfold: ...Right. 03/05/12 21:38:19 * Ariante Oakenfold sighs. 03/05/12 21:38:32 Cookie Punk: You alright? 03/05/12 21:38:39 Ariante Oakenfold: My girlfriend is transgendered. 03/05/12 21:39:03 Cookie Punk: Tena? 03/05/12 21:39:07 Ariante Oakenfold: No. 03/05/12 21:39:10 Cookie Punk: Okay XD 03/05/12 21:39:13 Ariante Oakenfold: My GF IRL. 03/05/12 21:39:25 Ariante Oakenfold: The one I live with and haved dated for 6 years as of the 21st this month. 03/05/12 21:39:38 Ariante Oakenfold: have* 03/05/12 21:39:50 Ariante Oakenfold: I just get a bit annoyed when I hear someone say "Oh well they actually turned out to be a guy." 03/05/12 21:40:18 Cookie Punk: Okay, okay. Stuff confuses me in this game as far as what relationships are real and what's for rp......and......sorry......don't know how else to say it 03/05/12 21:40:42 Ariante Oakenfold: I don't expect you to know that. 03/05/12 21:41:00 Ariante Oakenfold: And the other way to say it is 'they turned out to be pre-operative transgendered.' 03/05/12 21:41:18 Cookie Punk: Alright... 03/05/12 21:41:24 Ariante Oakenfold: And... what's wrong with dating a transgendered person anyway? o.o; 03/05/12 21:41:40 Cookie Punk: Not saying there is anything wrong 03/05/12 21:42:12 Cookie Punk: Just my friend is a straight male and felt a little "betrayed" last time it happened. 03/05/12 21:42:18 Ariante Oakenfold: Then why is there an implication of being tricked? A lot of trans people are really afraid if they tell people they're going to get killed. 03/05/12 21:42:23 Ariante Oakenfold: THat's understandable. 03/05/12 21:43:00 Ariante Oakenfold: It's good to be honest, but at the same time it's good to stay alive. 03/05/12 21:43:51 Ariante Oakenfold: As for this person... if he likes her, I see no reason why he shouldn't pursue her. If there's dishonesty in that regard, well... 03/05/12 21:44:36 Ariante Oakenfold: The risk with dating anyone is that they might be hiding something. 03/05/12 21:45:01 Cookie Punk: That's the only reason why I brought it up. Not saying there's anything wrong with it at all. Wasn't implying that. Made me feel like an a**hole now........and I'm also just sayin' that if this person turns out to be trans, think my friend might lose his head completely over it. That's all I'm saying. 03/05/12 21:45:57 Ariante Oakenfold: If that's the case, make sure he tells her his previous relationship and that it made him uncomfortable, and he doesn't want to be betrayed again. 03/05/12 21:46:30 Ariante Oakenfold: And if there's something in that regard with her, she'll hopefully admit it, or just leave. 03/05/12 21:46:50 Ariante Oakenfold: I don't intend to snap. <<; 03/05/12 22:34:35 Cookie Punk: Mmhm. 06/02/12 06:24:12 Tenajeh: Will read in a second. First, to answer your last message... 06/02/12 06:24:25 Tenajeh: I want nothing more than to resolve this peacefully. I understand your point fully, but my main problem is the tensions between you and her. I remember that Ari told me about something you said that made her pissed. Back then, I remember that I even agreed with her, but I can't remember what it was exactly. To answer your question: No, it wouldn't make a difference. At least not for me. 06/02/12 06:26:00 Cookie Punk: If it's not what we argued over weeks ago or about the transgender topic....then I honestly have no idea what she's made at me over. I'll look through my logs again and try to find the problem. 06/02/12 06:29:38 Tenajeh: I will ask her. If THIS really was it, I agree with you. Just descibing a transwoman as "turned out it was a guy" m 06/02/12 06:29:41 Tenajeh: ...

06/02/12 06:30:18 Tenajeh: is inconciderate but nothing to be angry about. Not everyone knows about all the political correctness in this area. 06/02/12 06:30:35 Tenajeh: Thank you anyways. :) 06/02/12 06:33:20 Cookie Punk: Well....I wasn't aware of Ari dating a trans nor was I aware that describing a transexual person that way was considered offensive. I have trans friends and they have never had a probem with that. Heck, they say it themselves O_o I never knew. 06/02/12 06:36:38 Tenajeh: Ari is a bit over sensitive there. I am trans myself and read a lot about this topic. So yes, there seems to be a political correctness code of calling a transgender person as their identity gender. But very few fuss about it when it doesn't happen that way. 06/02/12 06:37:15 Tenajeh: Especially, if it happens without any mean intention. 06/02/12 06:40:09 Cookie Punk: I didn't have any intention to make offense. I'm close friends with two transexual people irl and...like I said....they say the same thing. I didn't mean anything by it, just what I'm accustomed to saying. 06/02/12 06:41:28 Tenajeh: I somehow hope that this was the cause of the whole problem. If so, I might be able to convince her that there was no problem. 06/02/12 06:43:32 Cookie Punk: I hope so too. This whole thing has been bugging me for the entire week, but thank you for discussing it. 06/02/12 06:44:53 Tenajeh: I just want to find out what is right. 06/02/12 06:47:41 Cookie Punk: Honestly, I kinda found the whole thing to be a bit fishy....not making any assumptions due to lack of info....but some of the things mentioned weren't adding up right, and it got a lil' frustrating X( 06/02/12 06:49:50 Tenajeh: Ari was really much upset so the best I could do so quickly was to undo what I did that made her upset. That was hiring you. If the scene from the log was really that what made her not wanting to hire you, I have to apology. 06/02/12 06:52:19 Cookie Punk: And if it is, then I accept your apology. I get things got messed up pretty bad. 06/02/12 06:52:39 Tenajeh: Yeah. 06/02/12 06:53:57 Cookie Punk: Sorry....that sounded snotty of me DX 06/02/12 06:57:14 Tenajeh: ^^ 06/02/12 06:58:03 Cookie Punk: We're cool, how's that? XD 06/02/12 07:01:01 Tenajeh: What do you mean? ^^ 06/02/12 07:04:54 Cookie Punk: Everything is okay. Apology accepted. No hard feelings. Other things I have difficulty with saying cause it's hard to completely express myself? I'm just gonna shut up XD 06/02/12 07:10:33 Tenajeh: :D 06/02/12 07:10:34 Tenajeh: <3 06/02/12 07:11:24 * Cookie Punk is keeping shut up >.>.....<3 06/03/12 00:13:06 Tenajeh: And please, leave her out of this. Don't message her or anything. (Offline message sent Jun 02, 10:19am FST) 06/03/12 00:13:06 Tenajeh: I showed Ari what you gave me. This wasn't it. Of course. There was something else you said. Something nasty. Something that made her really angry and even raging as I asked her again, today. It is over. I won't rehire you. Call it arbitrariness or power abuse, I don't care anymore. This whole mess has become messy enough. (Offline message sent Jun 02, 10:18am FST) 06/03/12 00:14:53 Cookie Punk: I'll just ask Ari myself because I absolutely do not recall saying anything nasty to her. 06/03/12 00:18:25 Cookie Punk: What was it that Ari told you cause I would really love to know. I don't recall saying anything that put her in a rage. 06/03/12 00:19:44 Tenajeh: Her girlfriend was there, too, and has seen it. Both of them raged pretty hard at me, yesterday just for bringing it up again. Do you remember that she told you about being raped? And you practically said she shouldn't be so upset in public and keep it in whispers? 06/03/12 00:20:45 Cookie Punk: *facepalms* Was that not the fight Lani sent you yesterday between me and her? 06/03/12 00:21:03 Tenajeh: No. 06/03/12 00:21:35 Tenajeh: That was no fight. I asked her and she went "RAAWRRR!" 06/03/12 00:22:27 Tenajeh: But do you remember that talk about the rape?

06/03/12 00:22:28 Cookie Punk: Well that was all that was said between me and her over it. I brought it up to her because I got bombarded with whispers by freaked out patrons. 06/03/12 00:22:46 Cookie Punk: Heck, Tena, I can just send you my ENTIRE whisper log with Ari 06/03/12 00:23:11 Tenajeh: Please don't. 06/03/12 00:24:32 Cookie Punk: I just have a feeling something is getting severely mixed up 06/03/12 00:25:37 Tenajeh: Ari, as well as her real life girlfriend *suggested* me to not bring it up anymore. I won't. I will not play the peacemaker between you and her anymore. She was angry at you. She told you no, which was also affirmed by her girlfriend. I can't handle this matter anymore. And I suggest you to be very careful, how to talk to her. 06/03/12 00:27:30 Cookie Punk: Fine. She never told me no, and I will just take it up with Kinjara cause I honestly feel that my assumptions over this are correct. 06/03/12 00:29:18 Tenajeh: You may try, but this won't help at all. If Kinjara contacts Ari because of that, there will be rage again. 06/03/12 00:32:35 Cookie Punk: I really don't care if Ari rages or not. It's not intimidating. I am being treated unfairly over something Ari completely misunderstood and I will act on it. I have presented my case well and I will forward everything to Kinjara for her to decide. 06/03/12 00:41:02 Tenajeh: Sigh. 06/03/12 00:42:21 Cookie Punk: I find it weird that for the first half of this that was the very same fight we were referring to and told that that wasn't what Ari was mad over....and it turns out that it is what she's mad over? 06/03/12 00:44:11 Tenajeh: There were multiple things. She even told me about it in the past, but I just forgot it. It wasn't that discussion you showed me. 06/03/12 00:45:09 Cookie Punk: About me suggesting she keep her personals to whisper for the sake of the patrons? 06/03/12 00:45:47 Tenajeh: For example. Yes. 06/03/12 00:47:17 Cookie Punk: Then, Tena, that is a lie. That was the only time I brought it up to her. I don't know about what else she might have said, but my suggestion to her was only brought up one time. 06/03/12 00:47:58 Tenajeh: One time too often, it seems. 06/03/12 00:49:33 Tenajeh: Look, I don't want to discuss it anymore. Ari is a very valuable coowner. She cares about this place like very few others and I will do everything to protect her from being bothered by this topic again. 06/03/12 00:50:43 Tenajeh: She is also a very beloved friend of mine, so I do take things that hurt her personally. 06/03/12 00:51:46 Tenajeh: If you want to clear the tensions up, try to fix things, not prove that you have done nothing. This anger doesn't come from nothing. 06/03/12 00:53:23 Cookie Punk: This is something I understand on your account, Tena, but I am still going to Kinjara. I will be damned to be made out to be the bad guy in this and continue to receive unfair treatment in the bar I call my home here. 06/03/12 01:00:46 Tenajeh: Another point is that TDT is not an economic enterprise under the work-related law of any nations. While we do try to be fair to everyone, personal issues matter a lot. We can't just work professionally and keep little quarrels and emotions in private. All this here _is_ private. And pushing yourself in by force might work in the end, but it won't make anyone happy. Not Ari, not me and not you. 06/03/12 01:03:08 Cookie Punk: I have already made up my mind, Tena. I am very well aware that this is a game, but this dramatic bullshat is coming to a stop. 06/03/12 01:06:43 Tenajeh: You could just end it now. :( In a year or so, things might have been fixed, if you didn't try to force your rightfullness. 06/03/12 01:12:23 Cookie Punk: I have the right to defend myself, and Ari is already seeing what she wants to see of me all because I shared an opinion that was the opposite of hers. She already took advantage of the part of me that expresses concern for her well being, and I am not making the same mistake again by sucking up to her just so that I can be on her good side again. Nothing can be said now that's going to change my mind. 06/03/12 01:28:29 Tenajeh: I can't and wouldn't want to stop you from defending yourself. Of course it is your right. But assumed to get a staff position in TDT however, can you imagine how it will be? How the personal issues between you and Ari shoot to and fro between you and her all the

time, even if nothing is said? The emotional ongoing tensions that will be present whenever you two are online at the same time? 06/03/12 01:31:16 Cookie Punk: Well, she's been online for a while now, and I do not feel any tension with her whatsoever. I have done nothing wrong, so there is no reason for me to feel tension. There is no personal issue except for one Ari has made for herself. 06/03/12 01:32:06 Tenajeh: Then I have nothing more to say. :/ 06/03/12 01:32:43 Cookie Punk: Okay. Whispers between Lani Anela and Tenajeh 05/29/12 02:58:36 Lani Anela: 05/28/12 18:00:52 Tenajeh: Hello. :) I better tell you this myself: I removed Cookie's share again. It turned out, that Cookie already asked Ari about a job and she told her no of very understandable reasons. I don't want to discuss those, but since Cookie just let you ask me after getting a clear no from Ari, there is a good reason to not trust her with share. I'm not angry, disappointed or anything like that about you. You are awesome and I'm really glad having you around. :) *hugs* (Offline message sent May 28, 01:10pm FST) 05/30/12 02:07:05 Lani Anela: (21:20:19) Lani Anela: Sadly I was AFK so we weren't able to speak, but Cookie simply sent me the whisper you sent her explaining why...and so you're basically saying you lied and that I was right? not to be rude, but you're abusing your power by picking your girlfriends emotions/fit over someone who did nothing wrong, and deserves to be staff just as much as anyone else, and then to blame Cookie and call her untrustworthy and such =/ Thats not cool Ten, you have to know that. Cookie has been here long enough, and has always obeyed the rules, she deserves the job if she wants it. Ari shouldn't get her way over the bar.. (Offline message sent May 29, 09:20pm FST) The log file containing the argument between Cookie Punk and Ariante Oakenfold (09:05:04) Cookie|Punk: Oh, and I don't mean this in any harsh way at all, Ari.....but for a while you did start to sound like a broken record in the bar. One of my tasteless jokes, but I'm not being harsh about it :) (09:05:48) Ariante Oakenfold: Some people oppose their emotions like that because there's a notion of no respect for those emotions. By what I mean by that, is that the individual could be not respecting their own emotions because they feel they are worthless, or they don't show them because they think other people will disrespect you/them. (09:06:00) Ariante Oakenfold: Ah, well, that's because I'm dealing with a lot of drama right now. (09:06:18) Ariante Oakenfold: Lots of sickness and frustration. (09:06:29) Ariante Oakenfold: And so I've only paid maybe 1% attention to anyone here. (09:06:37) Ariante Oakenfold: Auto-pilot. (09:07:04) Ariante Oakenfold: ...And it's been spanning over several months. (09:07:25) Ariante Oakenfold: It's probably the first time in a while that I've actually cared about what's going on here right now. (09:08:23) (09:08:23) Relya Urnstru has logged out. (09:08:30) Cookie|Punk: Eh....I could say something....but for the sake of not wanting to argue and fight about it.....I'm not gonna say it. But we all get drama we have to deal with.....but sometimes I think it's best kept private for the sake of others present in the bar who absolutely have no idea what's going on. (09:08:59) Ariante Oakenfold: If I was offensive, it was because I wasn't really myself. (09:09:45) Ariante Oakenfold: I really don't remember much of what went on here. (09:09:54) Cookie|Punk: Well....let's just say I got a lot of whispers from people over the whole thing. It was normal for me, but for them.... (09:10:38) Ariante Oakenfold: Have no idea what went on there. (09:11:30) Ariante Oakenfold: If only because I know a long time passed between a second minipsychotic break and now. (09:16:32) Cookie|Punk: Had to do with whenever you showed up raging mad or deeply depressed.

Some of the stuff you talked about or did at that time didn't catch their fancy in a good way. I know along with a couple others that you were going through a hard time, but not everyone gets why. Know what I mean? Tis why I think if something like this happens again it's best for you and the bar that it be kept in private. Not being harsh towards you or anything, it's just what I've heard. (09:18:26) Ariante Oakenfold: If they want to know why, all they had to do was ask. If they are upset that I dared to show pain, they can suck on my left toe. Why should I not show pain just to be polite? I've done enough of holding things in. (09:19:59) Cepea Coventry did a little kitty yawn and a big kitty stretch as she moved out from her nap spot under the counter "Mornin' all " (09:20:08) Ariante Oakenfold waved to Cepea, and offered her a hug. (09:22:03) Cepea Coventry nodded "Oh sure sure "she said strideing over to Ari and enfolding her into a tight warm hug . she held the elf for a good span (09:22:13) Cookie|Punk: Maybe because it might cause non-regulars to not come back to the bar. Maybe because some of the regulars don't like knowing such things. Plus, it's more of a personal issue to begin with that really shouldn't be made to the public. If you want to let it out, let it out to Tena or a staff member in private. (09:22:43) Ariante Oakenfold: ...No. (09:22:49) Ariante Oakenfold: I'm not going to stop. (09:23:06) Ariante Oakenfold: And I do go to my friends. (09:23:35) Ariante Oakenfold: Tena was immensely helpful. (09:23:56) Ariante Oakenfold: I went through something viciously traumatic, and you have the gall to tell me to shut up and keep quiet? (09:24:24) Cookie|Punk: I don't.....think you get what I'm trying to say. You're getting a bit hostile over this. (09:24:35) Cepea Coventry blinked and glanced at Ari and Cookie "whats the trouble ?" (09:24:57) Ariante Oakenfold: I think it's reasonable that I am. (09:25:36) Cookie|Punk: I'm not being hostile at all towards you. I'm stating my opinion on what might be best for you and the people in this bar. (09:27:05) Ariante Oakenfold: But you don't know what's best for me. I am not sorry for what I did, and I'm annoyed that you're telling me this. (09:27:59) Cookie|Punk: I don't see what the problem is, Ari, or why you're getting all upset over this. (09:28:23) Ariante Oakenfold: I'm not as upset as you probably think I am. (09:29:22) Cookie|Punk: Still, you're getting upset over it. As I stated, I don't mean anything harsh by it. (09:30:19) Ariante Oakenfold: But I'm irritated, because to me you're telling me not to show grief out loud. You, and many other people already try to make me do that, and I'm flat out sick of it. (09:30:47) Cepea Coventry reached out an arm and pulled Cookie and ari both into a big hug "Look its just a matter of opinion and you two can just hug out a difference "she stated with a purr as she held them both (09:31:20) Cookie|Punk: But not everyone wants to witness it. Others prefer not knowing. (09:32:01) Ariante Oakenfold: Why should I placate them? I shouldn't be sad in front of others because it's rude? This is exactly what I was talking about earlier with expectations and emotions. (09:33:09) Ariante Oakenfold: Also, for the most part, it -was- dealt with in whispers. (09:35:04) Cookie Punk sighs and just glances to Cepea "Yeah.....I have a feeling, Ari, you're just gonna tune out everything I say. I made my point very clear....and you made it out to be some sort of attack on you when it isn't. So, I'm gonna stop arguing about it." (09:35:47) Ariante Oakenfold: I don't feel attacked. (09:35:53) Ariante Oakenfold: I just don't feel like complying. (09:36:05) Cookie Punk just shakes her head (09:37:35) Ariante Oakenfold goes back to being IC. Again, I'm sorry to bother you with this, but I don't think it's right that I am being treated unfairly over a tiny matter of having an opposite opinion to Ari.