Michael Rafferty Police Interview

TRANSCRIPT OF RECORDED INTERVIEW
RMS#: Audio Recorded Interview: Video Recorded Interview: Name: Residence: Date of Birth: Telephone: Residence: Business: Cell: Date of Interview: Location of Interview: Interviewed By: D/Cst. Gord JOHNSON D/Cst. Colin DARMON Time Interview Commenced: Time Interview Concluded: Others Present: 19:04 hours 19:33 hours 15May09 Michael RAFFERTY RM09043058
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D/Cst. Gord JOHNSON 09Jul09
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OFFICER: SUBJECT: MOTHER:
D/Cst. Gord JOHNSON = JOHNSON Michael RAFFERTY = RAFFERTY Debbie MURPHY = MURPHY its the fifteenth (15th) uh of May, two thousand nine (2009) I have a time of seven (7) O (0) four (4) P.M. my names Gord JOHNSON Im a Detective Constable with the O.P.P. also present is my partner Colin DARMON of the O.P.P. and were talking to Michael RAFFERTY Mike can I get the spelling of your first and last name please
JOHNSON:
RAFFERTY:
MICHAELRAFFERTY
JOHNSON:
okay and ah just for the record uh this is being audiotaped and Ive already received your personal information um before the recorder was turned on is that correct
RAFFERTY:
yes
JOHNSON:
and can I just get your age
RAFFERTY:
Im twenty-eight (28)
JOHNSON:
okay um the reason why youre here today is that uh were investigating the abduction of ah a girl by the name of Victoria she goes by Tori STAFFORD
RAFFERTY:
um hmm
Interview of Michael RAFFERTY 15May09 Page 2 of 44

JOHNSON:
back on the eighth (8th) of April two thousand nine (2009) and as part of our investigation weve bin interviewing all kinds of people and ah your name has has come up just as a person to contact now do you know anything about the case at all have you heard anything or
RAFFERTY:
um just the stuff that you hear like on the news and stuff I mean you kinda keep your ears peeled to what everybodys saying too because you uh know you wanna help but
JOHNSON:
right
RAFFERTY:
um there was a girl who I was sort of seeing um well who I met who ah who was like telling me like stuff that she was hearing and stuff like that if any of its true I dont know but
JOHNSON:
okay
RAFFERTY:
thats about it (laugh)
JOHNSON:
can you tell me about this girl who
RAFFERTY:
I dont know her last name her first name was Amanda um she was apparently friends with her daughter was friends with um the girl who went missing
JOHNSON:
okay so Amanda how do you know Amanda
RAFFERTY:
I we went on a couple dates thats about it

JOHNSON:
okay so Amandas daughter
RAFFERTY:
Amandas daughter is best friends with or was friends with this girl who went missing so
JOHNSON:
okay and you dont know Amandas last name at all
RAFFERTY:
no
JOHNSON:
do you know the daughters name
RAFFERTY:
no
JOHNSON:
so youve met went out with Amanda a couple times
RAFFERTY:
a couple times yeah
JOHNSON:
where does Amanda live then
RAFFERTY:
ah here in town she lives um (pause) ah it starts with a B its the second last street out of town just before the train tracks by the Tim Hortons um if youre going down Dundas that way um its the second last street out of before you get out of town um Baxber Bexter or Baxter or something along those lines
JOHNSON:
yeah were not from around here
RAFFERTY:
okay its
JOHNSON:
were from out of the area as well
RAFFERTY:
something along those lines its its like um its the second last street out of town so
JOHNSON:
okay thats fine and when ah were you dating Amanda
RAFFERTY:
um we were talking before all this craziness stuff went happening and stuff like that and then we Id say like three (3) times we met hung out that was about it
JOHNSON:
when was so when was that that you met up with her and hung out with her
RAFFERTY:
um well we were talking maybe a month and a half I think before all that happened before
JOHNSON:
before the girl went missing
RAFFERTY:
yeah and then um once the girl went missing she started spending a lot of time um with the family there and we started not spending so much time with each other and then we just stopped talking
JOHNSON:
Amanda started spending time with the family whose family
RAFFERTY:
with the girl who went missing with her family

JOHNSON:
oh okay
RAFFERTY:
I cant remember the moms name but she
JOHNSON:
Tara MCDONALD
RAFFERTY:
yeah
JOHNSON:
have you met Tara MCDONALD
RAFFERTY:
no I dont know who she is
JOHNSON:
okay does Amanda just ah you know um for my own sake you know to know her to find out who she is does she work somewhere
RAFFERTY:
does Amanda work somewhere
JOHNSON:
yeah
RAFFERTY:
not that I know of but she works somewhere I dont know where I dont really know anything about her
JOHNSON:
oh really
RAFFERTY:
like I just I mean we didnt really get too close
JOHNSON:
okay

RAFFERTY:
like we we fooled around and stuff but that was it
JOHNSON:
right so whens the last time you would have uh spoke to Amanda or saw her
RAFFERTY:
um Id say like a week and a half two (2) weeks um after that girl went missing she said that um like she was going through a lot of problems apparently or something and so I just we just kinda cut it off sorta about that time
JOHNSON:
so how long ago was
RAFFERTY:
about two (2) weeks
JOHNSON:
two (2) weeks ago
RAFFERTY:
a week and a half two (2) weeks no a week and a half two (2) weeks after after the girl went missing
JOHNSON:
okay and um what did Amanda tell you about the case then you said she kinda spoke about it
RAFFERTY:
well she just told me like uh she her daughter was friends with the little girl um that the mom um was into a lot of stuff and
JOHNSON:
like what
RAFFERTY:
like drugs and stuff like that and I dont know just and just the stuff that I mean you hear on the news but its different when
you hear it from somebody whos like friends with them or who knows them or something like that so you just kinda I mean I dont know what to you dont know how to react to it but on the other hand you just its too much drama so you just kinda cut it out
JOHNSON:
yeah um did she say what kind of drugs theyre into
RAFFERTY:
no
JOHNSON:
no
RAFFERTY:
no um I know like the word on the street is a lot different though like the words the words that kinda you know people say like I hear that girls always at Goodtime Charlies and
JOHNSON:
what girl
RAFFERTY:
the mom um Tara that shes like at Goodtime Charlies and that place is like a crack bar apparently like everybody who does drugs in the town hangs out there so um just (laugh) I dont know how to react to it like I dont its not my business but on the other hand its too much drama when you hear somebody like gossiping and talking behind other peoples backs
JOHNSON:
um so have you bin in town that long
RAFFERTY:
no like have I what do you mean

JOHNSON:
live in town here
RAFFERTY:
have I lived in town long
JOHNSON:
yeah
RAFFERTY:
no
JOHNSON:
okay how long then
RAFFERTY:
few months
JOHNSON:
just for the record
RAFFERTY:
oh a few months
JOHNSON:
just a few months so when did you arrive in Woodstock
RAFFERTY:
ah I dont know exactly it was like I was I was here for a bit um beginning of last summer like for um like my girlfriend and I had a place and then ah we came here to stay with my mom and my girlfriend um moved out and I stayed with my mom and then I met a new girlfriend and I moved in with her for a bit but not legally lived with her like we just I just stayed there a lot when I came here like once a month to visit
JOHNSON:
okay so just to go back so you you moved to Woodstock when was that

RAFFERTY:
ah
JOHNSON:
with your girlfriend
RAFFERTY:
yeah that was that was last year like the beginning of last year
JOHNSON:
in the winter spring
RAFFERTY:
I think it was in the winter that we came here other no it was it was beginning of spring the end of winter beginning of spring that that we came here
JOHNSON:
what year
RAFFERTY:
last year
JOHNSON:
two thousand and eight (2008)
RAFFERTY:
yeah
JOHNSON:
okay and who did you come with
RAFFERTY:
my girlfriend
JOHNSON:
and her name
RAFFERTY:
Leslie (assumed spelling)
JOHNSON:
Leslie
RAFFERTY:
MCKENZIE (assumed spelling)
JOHNSON:
okay its just that I need the information you know what I mean if you can just give me names
RAFFERTY:
I just dont feel comfortable giving everybodys name
JOHNSON:
well its just
RAFFERTY:
like its not
JOHNSON:
its just we need that information do you know what I mean so
RAFFERTY:
but it doesnt sorry just doesnt make sense to me why you would need my girlfriends name who moved out
JOHNSON:
well just because its youre talking about someone we dont know who youre talking about
RAFFERTY:
okay
JOHNSON:
you know what I mean just to complete it
RAFFERTY:
um hmm
JOHNSON:
um so you mention ah you moved into your mothers place and can I get her name

RAFFERTY:
Debbie MURPHY (assumed spelling)
JOHNSON:
okay and so when you
RAFFERTY:
she lived here with her boyfriend
JOHNSON:
and can I get his name
RAFFERTY:
David RIDDELL (assumed spelling)
JOHNSON:
and how do you spell his last name
RAFFERTY:
R I D D E LI dont know exactly
JOHNSON:
okay so how long did you stay with your mom for
RAFFERTY:
um we I stayed for a couple weeks
JOHNSON:
yep
RAFFERTY:
um it was just my girlfriend and I for a couple weeks and then I started working in Oakville with my brother um and then I met somebody there so I started spending more time with them and then well in that time my girlfriend had already moved out um she went and she just wasnt happy so she moved out and then while I was working there I met somebody who lived like right in the area that I was working in so I stayed
JOHNSON:
in Oakville
RAFFERTY:
yeah
JOHNSON:
okay
RAFFERTY:
so I stayed with her for a little bit and then um like I still technically lived here but I was never here at all
JOHNSON:
whereabouts in Oakville were you working
RAFFERTY:
Glen Abbey
JOHNSON:
oh okay
RAFFERTY:
um yeah and then my brothers business was done but then I kept business going for myself which was good um doing the same kind of stuff like construction landscaping and stuff
JOHNSON:
yeah
RAFFERTY:
and then she ah my girlfriend the girl I was seeing at the time there was getting me like a lot of jobs and stuff so that was good
JOHNSON:
thats good yeah
RAFFERTY:
um then I came back here after Christmas because her and I split up so I came back here after Christmas and it was like um January February ish that I came here
JOHNSON:
two thousand nine (2009)
RAFFERTY:
yeah
JOHNSON:
yeah
RAFFERTY:
and thats it Ive been here since
JOHNSON:
have you been working here then
RAFFERTY:
Ive been looking for jobs Ive been doing like odd jobs I dont know if I should tell you guys like like I just dont want
JOHNSON:
were not
RAFFERTY:
I dont wanna get in trouble over it
JOHNSON:
were not ah interested in the part okay
RAFFERTY:
you know but I dont want things to bite me in the ass you know
JOHNSON:
no what types of jobs are you doing
RAFFERTY:
like construction jobs
JOHNSON:
yeah

RAFFERTY:
like
JOHNSON:
okay
RAFFERTY:
cash jobs
JOHNSON:
sure okay just for the record whats your brothers name then
RAFFERTY:
Jonathan (assumed spelling) CUNDY
JOHNSON:
(u/i)
RAFFERTY:
I have two (2) two (2) brothers
JOHNSON:
Jonathan and
RAFFERTY:
Jonathan CUNDY
JOHNSON:
CUNDY how do you spell that last name
RAFFERTY:
CUNDY
JOHNSON:
okay and your girlfriend at the time
RAFFERTY:
I dont want
JOHNSON:
in Oakville

RAFFERTY:
I dont want to mention her Ill call her Kate but Im not giving you her last name
JOHNSON:
okay Kate thats fine so you since youve bin back in Woodstock youve bin doing part-time jobs and so on
RAFFERTY:
and helping out around here because this place is was a dump so
JOHNSON:
okay um have you got to know some people in town here other than Amanda then
RAFFERTY:
I know Ive met maybe four (4) met four (4) people thats about it
JOHNSON:
who are they
RAFFERTY:
ah a girl named Joy
JOHNSON:
Joy
RAFFERTY:
yeah
JOHNSON:
and whats her last name
RAFFERTY:
dont wanna give it (laugh)
JOHNSON:
well its important that we know about it

RAFFERTY:
its not
JOHNSON:
okay its local
RAFFERTY:
Im not gonna give it (laugh) I dont wanna like I just met her I dont want something
JOHNSON:
okay so its just like a friendship type of thing
RAFFERTY:
for now for now
JOHNSON:
okay
RAFFERTY:
um oh and Terri-Lynne
JOHNSON:
yeah you know her last name
RAFFERTY:
no
JOHNSON:
okay
RAFFERTY:
I thought LYNNE was her last name for a bit but I guess not (laugh)
JOHNSON:
okay
RAFFERTY:
um (pause) ah somebody works at Staples I met that was it I dont Rob ZEEZER (CSISZAR)

JOHNSON:
Rob ZEEZER (CSISZAR)
RAFFERTY:
something like that I dont we dont even know each like we met each other once and we hung out at Crabby Joes with a crowd of people and that was the only name that I remembered so
JOHNSON:
okay
RAFFERTY:
that was about it because he has a car thats nicely decked out so
JOHNSON:
yeah whats he got
RAFFERTY:
ah an Acura
JOHNSON:
oh
RAFFERTY:
its just its done nice so
JOHNSON:
yeah
RAFFERTY:
thats the only reason
JOHNSON:
notice yours is nice and its a little older but
RAFFERTY:
no its got a lotta needs a paint job and a bunch of other stuff but

JOHNSON:
looks like its got a paint job on there
RAFFERTY:
yeah but (laugh)
JOHNSON:
you painted it
RAFFERTY:
paint job from hell
JOHNSON:
yeah
RAFFERTY:
its on its way its a work in progress
JOHNSON:
yeah
RAFFERTY:
so who else thats
JOHNSON:
thats who you
RAFFERTY:
I mean I cant thats thats all I know like I dont think I know anybody I mean I meet people at my gym or something but thats it like I dont
JOHNSON:
so do you hang out with certain like out of Joy or Terri-Lynne or Rob do you hang out with them more
RAFFERTY:
I dont hang out with Rob like I met Rob once
JOHNSON:
okay

RAFFERTY:
I dont know Rob
JOHNSON:
what about Joy do you see her a little bit or how old would she be around
RAFFERTY:
yeah shes older than me um
JOHNSON:
roughly
RAFFERTY:
Im not comfortable telling anybody about that personal information
JOHNSON:
okay well
RAFFERTY:
just because I just think
JOHNSON:
what about Terri-Lynne how old is she then
RAFFERTY:
I dont know nineteen (19) I think
JOHNSON:
okay
RAFFERTY:
I dont know
JOHNSON:
um anyone else then
RAFFERTY:
not that I can like I dont know anybody like I
JOHNSON:
right
RAFFERTY:
Ive met people but I dont know anybody
JOHNSON:
okay
RAFFERTY:
like I I couldnt give first and last names of anybody I know because I havent havent bin friends with anybody I dont know anybody so so back on the eighth (8th) of April okay when the little girl went missing uh
JOHNSON:
RAFFERTY:
okay
JOHNSON:
um did you follow it at all did you hear about it in the in the news or anything like that
RAFFERTY:
I heard the helicopters and stuff
JOHNSON:
did ya
RAFFERTY:
and thats when I realized that some crazy stuff was going on but
JOHNSON:
right when when was the first that you heard about it like who told you about it
RAFFERTY:
the helicopters that morning and I was sleeping and I heard the helicopter I was like holy crap and then thats when
everybodys talking my mom said did you know that this happened and then yeah
JOHNSON:
it was a Wednesday ah she she went missing
RAFFERTY:
oh I dont remember what day
JOHNSON:
from you know it was a Wednesday from Oliver Stephens up on ah the Fyfe Ave area
RAFFERTY:
um hmm
JOHNSON:
do you know that area at all over by Fyfe
RAFFERTY:
yeah I know where the area is
JOHNSON:
okay ah thats where she was last seen uh
RAFFERTY:
um hmm
JOHNSON:
around you know the three (3) thirty (30) mark or so um have you talked to any other than Pamelaor Amanda anyone else or have you talked to Terri-Lynne about it at all
RAFFERTY:
yeah she said um people were asking her questions about it and that um she something about I dont know some thing regarding like the mom was into drugs or something and I dont know how that whole scenario works out but

JOHNSON:
but whos mom
RAFFERTY:
the girls mom
JOHNSON:
okay was into drugs again
RAFFERTY:
yeah
JOHNSON:
so similar to what you heard from
RAFFERTY:
something like everybody like
JOHNSON:
Amanda
RAFFERTY:
I think Terri-Lynne hangs around a lot of bad people or a lot of druggies or a lot of messed up people and they all talk and she said the word is that you know shes into drugs or owes a lot of money for drugs just stupid shit like that that you hear so
JOHNSON:
so what about uh Terri-Lynne would she be into drugs at all do you know
RAFFERTY:
I know that her mom is
JOHNSON:
whats her
RAFFERTY:
her moms messed up
JOHNSON:
is she
RAFFERTY:
like shes shes messed up
JOHNSON:
like in what way like drugs
RAFFERTY:
she like yeah she shoots up and she shes messed up like its its sad I know that Terri used to do a lot of drugs
JOHNSON:
So have you bin over to her place to see that then
RAFFERTY:
to see the drug yeah like my mom and I have tried to tried to help out a bit um like when we heard when Terri got picked up cuz Terris I think shes trying to keep her mom out of like trouble or something, I dont really know
JOHNSON:
yeah
RAFFERTY:
and um so when she had to go shes in gin Genest or Ginelle Gegaukle (u/i) Detention Centre or whatever it is ah shes in there now so we tried to like we brought plants and like not drugs plants just
JOHNSON:
yeah
RAFFERTY:
(laugh) plants and furniture and
JOHNSON:
trying to help out

RAFFERTY:
you know offered like groceries or offered rides and stuff like that to help
JOHNSON:
right
RAFFERTY:
out but you go and you show up and shes pulling a needle out of her arm or something its just
JOHNSON:
so how many times have you bin over at uh Terri-Lynnes moms place
RAFFERTY:
um a handful of times not like five (5) times or less something like that
JOHNSON:
do you know her first name or
RAFFERTY:
Carol I think
JOHNSON:
Carol okay
RAFFERTY:
yeah so and I know its not her real mom but its I know theres every time I I stop by there theres theres like somebody there screwed up outta their tree and shootin up or its uh
JOHNSON:
whens the last time you would of stopped by there
RAFFERTY:
stopped by yesterday to see how everything went um because Terri had court yesterday so and then it was carried on to today

apparently um but I dont know nothing about today I was gonna stop by there later and then um
JOHNSON:
did you go there with your mom or anyone else was there someone else with you
RAFFERTY:
no I just stopped by and somebody else was already there
JOHNSON:
yeah like a a relative or a friend
RAFFERTY:
(laugh) no I dont think its a relative
JOHNSON:
no
RAFFERTY:
just a young girl
JOHNSON:
okay
RAFFERTY:
um
JOHNSON:
thats too bad about her situation like that then
RAFFERTY:
her mom
JOHNSON:
yeah
RAFFERTY:
her moms messed up

JOHNSON:
thats sounds like maybe Terri-Lynne then has opened up to you as a friend then and told you about her mom
RAFFERTY:
well Im like her
JOHNSON:
like her real mother
RAFFERTY:
well Im the only person she knows who doesnt do drugs or doesnt you know Im not in that group of people I guess
JOHNSON:
right
RAFFERTY:
so I dont know
JOHNSON:
so maybe a good thing for her that way
RAFFERTY:
maybe but Im nobodys personal case worker (laugh)
JOHNSON:
no like when would you have met her Terri-Lynne then
RAFFERTY:
(pause) I dont know exactly um
JOHNSON:
like a month ago
RAFFERTY:
lets say lets say a couple months ago maybe I met her maybe a month and a half two (2) months about two (2) months ago maybe
JOHNSON:
like in March would it be or

RAFFERTY:
sure I dont know exactly
JOHNSON:
April
RAFFERTY:
it was it was an accidental random I was at the 7 Eleven and she was at Pizza Pizza we said hi so
JOHNSON:
like would you consider her your girlfriend or
RAFFERTY:
my girlfriend
JOHNSON:
yeah
RAFFERTY:
no (laugh)
JOHNSON:
no
RAFFERTY:
no I wouldnt consider but her mom jokingly said that yesterday surprisingly enough her mom was like ah its TerriLynnes boyfriend I was like I dont think so
JOHNSON:
right like is there any has there been anything between you and Terri-Lynne uh intimately at all
RAFFERTY:
were friend were friends
JOHNSON:
just friends okay

RAFFERTY:
so I dont you know thats just her moms anyways
JOHNSON:
because you know with the type of investigation like this were getting all kinds of information
RAFFERTY:
um hmm
JOHNSON:
tips rumours stuff like that
RAFFERTY:
um hmm
JOHNSON:
okay were hearing the thing about the drug debts were hearing all kinds of stuff different names have been ah coming in as lookalikes
RAFFERTY:
um hmm
JOHNSON:
okay and we have heard Terri-Lynnes name okay
RAFFERTY:
um hmm
JOHNSON:
as a person that kinda looks similar
RAFFERTY:
um hmm
JOHNSON:
have you watched the video
RAFFERTY:
yeah I saw it

JOHNSON:
okay did you what did you think watching that video
RAFFERTY:
I think
JOHNSON:
did you recognize anyone at all um
RAFFERTY:
no I didnt recognize anyone no (laugh)
JOHNSON:
okay
RAFFERTY:
um
JOHNSON:
so were just looking into all kinds of different things okay
RAFFERTY:
um hmm
JOHNSON:
um have you ever observed uh Terri-Lynne wearing any type of uh certain jackets at all white jackets
RAFFERTY:
ah Ive seen her like she has a long dressy white one I think
JOHNSON:
yeah
RAFFERTY:
sometimes she has a long dressy black one
JOHNSON:
yeah
RAFFERTY:
those are the only two (2) coats that I know like one (1) they sway in the wind as she walks like theyre I dont know how to
explain it almost like a I wont say a business but like if you know a guy wears a suit and he has that long overcoat
JOHNSON:
right
RAFFERTY:
thats almost the type of jacket that Ive seen and recognize
JOHNSON:
okay so theres bin a white one like that and a black one like that
RAFFERTY:
and a black one yeah
JOHNSON:
anything else that youve seen
RAFFERTY:
no
JOHNSON:
okay
RAFFERTY:
I mean I dont pay attention to what she wears like we dont like hang out everyday (laugh) or something like do you recall around the the eighth (8th) of uh April then ah what you were doing that day that Wednesday
JOHNSON:
RAFFERTY:
I dont know what I was doing I mean I for most of the time Im just in zipping around town or something and thats about it

JOHNSON:
yeah um so you you said youre doing the odd jobs here and there would you or could you have bin working maybe that day do you know like how sporadic is that
RAFFERTY:
ah a little while ago I (laugh) like the jobs are just like someone calls me and says can you fix this I say okay like (laugh)
JOHNSON:
yeah
RAFFERTY:
its nothing really at all right now
JOHNSON:
yeah
RAFFERTY:
um all the good jobs that I had were you know a while ago and I was doing dance for a while too but and that stopped for now so
JOHNSON:
what do you mean youre doing dance
RAFFERTY:
um Im doing like a training program for dance
JOHNSON:
yeah
RAFFERTY:
its um its for Fred ASTAIRE
JOHNSON:
okay
RAFFERTY:
so they they train you but then in the end youre an instructor for them
JOHNSON:
yeah
RAFFERTY:
um so they dont you dont get paid for that amount of time but then you sign a contract and then you work for them for a year and and whatever
JOHNSON:
okay
RAFFERTY:
but I dont know what I was doing that day something
JOHNSON:
no Im just wondering if you just if you would have saw
RAFFERTY:
like Im always
JOHNSON:
if you woulda saw Terri-Lynne
RAFFERTY:
Im always (u/i)
JOHNSON:
around that day or like how often would you see her
RAFFERTY:
I might have seen her like I dont like I bump into her like I did bump in up until shes in jail I mean I bumped into her a couple times a week here and there and and it was no more than like you know twenty (20) minutes here or an hour there or and we saw a movie once like
JOHNSON:
like at the movie theatre you mean

RAFFERTY:
yeah in town here and that was that was it
JOHNSON:
okay
RAFFERTY:
um Ive given her rides a lot or
JOHNSON:
like where would you take her
RAFFERTY:
stuff for her mom like the bank or Zellers or um like her mom needed prescriptions and stuff so get her ta would go pick up all her moms stuff and go to the bank or go get groceries or things like that
JOHNSON:
is this all local have you ever gone to London or anywhere
RAFFERTY:
with her
JOHNSON:
yeah with Terri-Lynne
RAFFERTY:
no Ive never gone to London with her
JOHNSON:
or out of the town at all
RAFFERTY:
no Ive never gone anywhere with her
JOHNSON:
youve never gone anywhere
RAFFERTY:
no not with Terri

JOHNSON:
no
RAFFERTY:
like unless we went to like shopping one day or something
JOHNSON:
well just think about it just take your time
RAFFERTY:
(pause) I cant remember I think we might of we might of gone shopping I dont I dont know we might have gone shopping
JOHNSON:
whereabouts you think
RAFFERTY:
well I go to London to shop at the mall like
JOHNSON:
yeah how long ago would that have bin
RAFFERTY:
I dont I dont know like I cant even think like that we did
JOHNSON:
what do you go to a mall when you usually go or you go
RAFFERTY:
yeah
JOHNSON:
to a certain store which mall
RAFFERTY:
Masonville or ah or White Oaks
JOHNSON:
have you ever gone shopping with any other girl from here then
RAFFERTY:
with any other girl from here

JOHNSON:
yeah in the last few couple months
RAFFERTY:
um (pause) no I havent brought my mom out shopping once havent picked anybody up from here I dont think I dont know I really dont I cant pinpoint I cant say no for sure like I probably could I just cant say no for sure because I I might be lying then if I said that but I cant say yes for sure either
JOHNSON:
right
RAFFERTY:
so its possible
JOHNSON:
possible
RAFFERTY:
yeah
JOHNSON:
okay (pause) just gonna throw some other names at ya
RAFFERTY:
um hmm
JOHNSON:
James GORIS hes the ah the boyfriend to Tara MCDONALD the mother of Victoria STAFFORD
RAFFERTY:
I (u/i)
JOHNSON:
or a Kevin POMMER you know a Kevin
RAFFERTY:
no

JOHNSON:
you dont know that name either
RAFFERTY:
no
JOHNSON:
um Jamie DAGENAIS ever heard of that name
RAFFERTY:
no
JOHNSON:
no so really your group of associates or people you know in town is very limited there would you say
RAFFERTY:
yeah
JOHNSON:
um and Joy you dont you havent said too much about her
RAFFERTY:
no like I said I just dont know where thats (u/i)
JOHNSON:
ah and Amanda you you knew her a little bit obviously right
RAFFERTY:
a little bit like we we went out bowling once her and I met her mom once um apparently we
JOHNSON:
did you meet her daughter then too
RAFFERTY:
no
JOHNSON:
no
RAFFERTY:
no I never met her daughter

JOHNSON:
but you met her mom
RAFFERTY:
yeah I met her mom I met her sister
JOHNSON:
okay um what about Terri-Lynnes associates you know any of them at all
RAFFERTY:
no but funny you ask that one of the guys one of the guys that she knows I was at Canadian Tire buying a light bulb and uh he came up to me outta nowhere and said hey and I turned around this guy with these like red bloodshot eyes hes like hows Terri and I I was sketched up by that I had no idea who he was and I was like uh I dont know and hes like well dont you visit her and Im like I ah yeah but I dont know anything about you Im sorry and so I just kinda went about my business he scared the shit outta me and then um when I asked ah Carol who that could possibly be because I said some guy came up to me and how would he know me I think his name was um Brian I think or Brad Brad or Brian she said and that hes gonna get his ass beaten up for something
JOHNSON:
whats he look like
RAFFERTY:
hes tall and skinny and short hair thats messy and I think he mighta had a moustache and hes really fucked up looking like
JOHNSON:
so when he came up to you he seemed to know you then

RAFFERTY:
yeah
JOHNSON:
but you never met him before
RAFFERTY:
I dont know who he was I had no idea who this guy
JOHNSON:
well how do you think how did he recognize you
RAFFERTY:
was I dont know if he seen seen me around or I dont know
JOHNSON:
recognized your car or what
RAFFERTY:
I dont know I dont know
JOHNSON:
huh (u/i)
RAFFERTY:
I dont know maybe I dont know
JOHNSON:
you said youve bin over Carols and driving er around or
RAFFERTY:
um hmm
JOHNSON:
driving them around maybe he saw ya in the vehicle or
RAFFERTY:
maybe
JOHNSON:
but

RAFFERTY:
I dont know I dont know so he just kinda threw me for a whirlwind I was like well
JOHNSON:
yeah
RAFFERTY:
you know the guy was scary enough I mean everybody in this town is no offence like well youre not from here
JOHNSON:
no
RAFFERTY:
the people in here are pretty scary
JOHNSON:
yeah any of the other associates at all of friends of hers or Carols
RAFFERTY:
um met a girl with big breasts (laugh) I dont know her name um the only reason Im saying big breast is because before I was introduced to her I was told that her breasts are now huge and its the first thing I noticed but I didnt I dont remember her name
JOHNSON:
where was she at the house Carols house
RAFFERTY:
no um I picked her up for Terri one day I dont remember what day but I picked her up and she got in the car and I dropped her off and that was it
JOHNSON:
how old would she be around Terris age or

RAFFERTY:
maybe maybe a bit older I dont know
JOHNSON:
what about a Kayla (ph) or Katelynn (ph) or you dont know that person
RAFFERTY:
mm mm I dont know any of these well I met her neighbour (u/i) blonde headed girl I met her neighbour like once or twice I dont know her name though
JOHNSON:
is that like right next door
RAFFERTY:
yeah
JOHNSON:
or across the road
RAFFERTY:
no right next door
JOHNSON:
okay
RAFFERTY:
like their houses are attached
JOHNSON:
okay do you know her name at all or
RAFFERTY:
no
JOHNSON:
no
RAFFERTY:
I know that she has a kid with Autism and Terri-Lynne babysat for her a few times
JOHNSON:
okay
RAFFERTY:
I dont I dont know anybody
JOHNSON:
yeah anything else you can think of there Mike or
RAFFERTY:
(pause) no I really dont know anybody
JOHNSON:
okay
RAFFERTY:
so
(sound of door opening)
JOHNSON:
(to background) hello
MURPHY:
(in background) hi there
RAFFERTY:
thats my mom
JOHNSON:
(to background) oh okay were just talking to your son here
MURPHY:
(in background) okay all right
JOHNSON:
okay anything else you wanna add
RAFFERTY:
um (pause)

JOHNSON:
I know its kinda short notice here we just came in and
RAFFERTY:
I dont really need notice anyway (laugh)
JOHNSON:
yeah but
RAFFERTY:
but I dont know (u/i) I dont know anybody here so
JOHNSON:
yeah thats no problem
RAFFERTY:
and how my names coming up I dont dont know because I know two (2) people you know who Ive actually talked to who are you know questionable people and its Terri-Lynne and her mom so
JOHNSON:
well thats the thing they tell someone else and they tell you know what I mean how it gets going
RAFFERTY:
um hmm
JOHNSON:
weve talked to hundreds and hundreds of people
RAFFERTY:
um hmm
JOHNSON:
so it just kinda keeps on going out like that
RAFFERTY:
um hmm
JOHNSON:
so thats how it goes so

RAFFERTY:
um hmm
JOHNSON:
thats how you know your name came up
RAFFERTY:
yeah well
JOHNSON:
you have any problem if maybe we you know if ya think of something later I know your mom just arrived home maybe we could talk and or meet again or something like that and just give you a little more notice
RAFFERTY:
um hmm
JOHNSON:
okay thats perfect I got a time of seven (7) thirty-three (33) P.M. well conclude this interview
RAFFERTY:
yeah
INTERVIEW CONCLUDED


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D/Cst. Gord JOHNSON 09Jul09

(u/i) unintelligible (ph) phonetic spelling **Disclaimer**

OFFICER: SUBJECT: MOTHER:

and can I just get your age

Interview of Michael RAFFERTY 15May09 Page 2 of 44

thats about it (laugh)

can you tell me about this girl who

okay so Amanda how do you know Amanda

I we went on a couple dates thats about it

okay so Amandas daughter

okay and you dont know Amandas last name at all

do you know the daughters name

so youve met went out with Amanda a couple times

a couple times yeah

where does Amanda live then

yeah were not from around here

were from out of the area as well

okay thats fine and when ah were you dating Amanda

before the girl went missing

Amanda started spending time with the family whose family

with the girl who went missing with her family

Interview of Michael RAFFERTY 15May09 Page 5 of 44

I cant remember the moms name but she

have you met Tara MCDONALD

no I dont know who she is

does Amanda work somewhere

like I just I mean we didnt really get too close

Interview of Michael RAFFERTY 15May09 Page 6 of 44

like we we fooled around and stuff but that was it

so how long ago was

about two (2) weeks

two (2) weeks ago

yeah um did she say what kind of drugs theyre into

um so have you bin in town that long

no like have I what do you mean

Interview of Michael RAFFERTY 15May09 Page 8 of 44

live in town here

have I lived in town long

okay how long then

just for the record

just a few months so when did you arrive in Woodstock

Interview of Michael RAFFERTY 15May09 Page 9 of 44

with your girlfriend

in the winter spring

two thousand and eight (2008)

okay and who did you come with

and her name

Leslie (assumed spelling)

MCKENZIE (assumed spelling)

I just dont feel comfortable giving everybodys name

well its just

like its not

its just we need that information do you know what I mean so

you know what I mean just to complete it

Interview of Michael RAFFERTY 15May09 Page 11 of 44

Debbie MURPHY (assumed spelling)

okay and so when you

she lived here with her boyfriend

and can I get his name

David RIDDELL (assumed spelling)

and how do you spell his last name

(u/i) unintelligible (ph) phonetic spelling Disclaimer