Obama's Birth Place.

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Barack Hussein Obama's Birth Place Contested!

(Born in Kenya, Mother lied and got Hawaii Birth Certificate?)

AS POSTED BY A RETIRED U.S. IMMIGRATION OFFICER on

OBAMACRIMES.COM:

"by John Sampson on Sun 02 Nov 2008 02:39 PM EST"

So much has been debated about whether or not Barack H.
Obama II is or is not a
Natural Born US citizen. The problem is that so many people are
totally uninformed
as to the law as it existed in 1961 as it relates to the transmission
of citizenship
to a child born outside the US or its Outlying Possessions (OLP).
In an effort to clear the air, to get the FACTS out so people can
clearly see the
issue without opining or guessing as to the legalities, allow me to
pontificate
a bit. For the record, I am a recently retired Department of
Homeland Security,
Immigration and Customs Enforcement agent, with more than 25
years experience.

Part of that experience is understanding and comprehending

immigration and nationality law which is at the center of this
issue. In short, I know a "little bit"
about what I speak of.

In 1961, as opposed to TODAY, Section 301(g) of the Immigration

and Nationality
Act, as ammended (INA) required the following: A child being
born to one alien parent (ie. Non Citizen) and one citizen parent in
a marital relationship, required that the sole US citizen parent to
have resided in the United States for a period of
ten years, five of which must have been over the age of 14.
Today's version
of the law has somewhat different residency requirements for the

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US citizen parent.
But the law, as it applied on August 4, 1961, required ten years
presence, five
after the age of 14.

Barack Hussein Obama I (dad), was a citizen and national of

Kenya . He was not, nor had never been, a United States citizen.
Ergo, he is the "alien" parent
in this scenario. Stanley Ann Dunham (mom) was a US citizen by
virtue of having
been born in the US . At the time of Barack Hussein Obama II's
birth on August
4, 1961, Ms. Dunham was 18 years old, having been born in
November of 1942. As such, if Barack Hussein Obama II was born
outside the US or its Outlying Possessions, on August 4, 1961,
then Ms. Dunham could not transmit her citizenship to her
son because she failed to have accumulated the necessary
physical presence requirements that the LAW (that pesky and
inconvenient thing that often time gets in the way of "change")
demanded.

The earliest in which Ms. Dunham could have transmitted her

citizenship to a child
born outside the US would have been when she was 19 years of
age, which was in November of 1961 and NOT in August of 1961,
when Obama was born.

It's that simple. If he was born in Kenya , or anywhere else for

that matter,
other than the US or its OLP's, then he is not, nor can never be,
eligible to
hold the office of President of the United States of America in as
much as he does
not, nor never can, fullfill the requirements of Article II, Clause V
of the Constitution
of the United States . It's not an optional thing, regardless of
whether or not
someone thinks it's fair or not. It's the law, that pesky, recurring
inconvenience

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that seems to get in the way, time and time again.

Now, the quesiton remains to be answered if he was born in Kenya

or not. The State
of Hawaii has weighed in and states that there is a record of Mr.
Obama's birth
on file in the Department of Vital Statistics. However, THAT is not
enough. There
are two entirely different and distinct birth documents issued by
the State of Hawaii .
The first is a Certificate of Live Birth which is the traditional birth
certificate
we all are familiar with for children born IN Hawaii.
Then there is a different document entitled Certification of Live
Birth, which is
issued to children born OUTSIDE of Hawaii but whose birth is
registered in Hawaii
pursuant to a quaint and scarcely known Hawaiian law, Hawaii
Revised Statute 338-17.8.

This law allows for the registration of a birth in Hawaii for a child
who was born
OUTSIDE Hawaii to parents who, for the year immediately
preceding the child's
birth, claimed Hawaii as their principle place of residence.

Dunham and Obama Sr. both resided in Hawaii for the year
immediately preceding Senator Obama's birth. Ergo sum, his
birth, even if it occurred in Kenya , could legally be registered in
Hawaii , and a Certification of Live Birth could have been
issued, giving the uninitiated the impression that he was born in
Hawaii when in fact, he was not.

It is misleading when the State of Hawaii states that they have

examined Obama's
birth record and it is valid. It could very well be the case. The
ISSUE however,
is whether or not he was born in Hawaii as he claims, or if he was
born in Kenya .

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There is of course, a plausible scenario in which he could've been

born in Kenya
and yet have his birth recorded in Hawaii as having been born in
Hawaii when in
fact he was not. It's quite simple acutally. His mother could have
lied. That's
right. Ann Dunham could have given birth in Kenya , brought
Obama back with her to the US and then fraudulently registered
the birth in Hawaii . Is it likely? Who knows?

Is it possible? As Sir Aruthur Coynan Doyle has written: Once you

have eliminated
what is impossibe, whatever remains, however unlikely, is
possible.
In this case, anything is possible. And it's so unfortunate that all
but one
relative on Ms. Dunham's side of the family are deceased. His
maternal grandmother, who he conveniently just visited in
Hawaii , is the one living relative that could possibly shed light on
this subject. A simple question aksing her if her daughter went to
Kenya prior to Barack's birth would end the speculation, assuming
of course, her response is truthful. And therein lies the rub. With
so much fraud being perpetrated by the DailyKOS, Stop the
Smears, and others, it's difficult to
believe anything at this point.

And isn't it oh so convenient that Obama goes to Hawaii on

October 23, 2008
and the Hawaiin Department of Health, after his visit to Hawaii ,
issues the statement that the document they have is legitimate.
The wording of their statement leaves a lot to be desired. It's a
non answer to a question. Yes, the document is valid. And? Was
he born in Hawaii ?????? Silence.

The now infamous document posted on Stop the Smears and the
DailyKOS, which has been determined to be a forgery by no fewer
than three court certified Forensic
Document Examiners, was a Certification of Live Birth and NOT a
Certificate of Live

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Birth or Birth Certificate. However, in an effort to obfuscate the

issue, the term
"Birth Certificate" has been used interchangably with
"Certification of Live Birth".

Assuming that Mr. Obama has a legitimate Certification of Live

Birth, the question
must be asked: "Why post a forgery?" The answer is as follows:

A. There does not exist a legitimate, authentic birth document for

Obama showing
birth anywhere in the US .

OR

B. He does have a legitimate Certification of Live Birth issued by

the State of
Hawaii . However, that document shows his place of birth as being
in Mombassa , Kenya and NOT in Hawaii as the forged copy
claims.

What is troubling and frustrating is that Obama can, and has had
the ability to
do so for quite some time, resolve this matter by simply providing
a certified copy
of his authentic birth document. The only reason that is
reasonable for his failure
to do so is that he simply doesn't have a document that shows he
was born in
the US . His documents all show birth in Kenya.

As to his Indonesian passport, that, in and of itself, is problematic

for Obama.
In order to have obtained Indonesian citizenship, which is the only
way one legitimately gets an Indonesian passport, he must have
renounced his US citizenship, assuming for a moment, that he
was, in fact a US citizen at any time. The fact that he
renounced his US citizenship in order to obtain citizenship in
Indonesian also makes him ineligible to hold the office of

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President of the United States under Article II, Clause V of the

Constitution of the United States.

Look. The facts and the law, are just that, the facts and the law.

Wishing it wasn't so, being upset that the law is the way it was in
1961, wishing that people wouldn't bring that pesky inconvenient
issue of the law, won't change a thing. Mr. Obama, like it or not,
whether you think it's fair or not, if born outside the US , is NOT,
nor never can be, eligible to hold the office of President of the
United
States. Period. End of discussion.

IF, in fact, he was born in Kenya , as it appears he very well was,

then his continued
candidacy and the acceptance of campaign funds and donations, is
a fraud.

Furthermore, this issue is likely to throw this country into a

Constitutional crisis, the likes of which we have never seen,
making the elections of 2000 and 2004 look tame by comparison.
And don't you think Obama knows whether or not he was born in
the US or not?

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