Ancient Tales

Tales of Antiquity
Patel : The ethos of the Hindu civilization is inclusive . The faith is flexible and readily absorbs other influences Virat : In a manner of speaking , inclusive yes , it did absorb the Dravidian theology , the Jian and Buddhist concepts , yoga and self improvement were accepted , The Vedic Aryans , though , were Brahamanic in nature , many Sramanic practices were incorporated into Hinduism . Patel : Does that not prove my point , my thesis that Hinduism is inclusive in nature . The Vedic religion is in fact the continuation of the Indus Valley Religion and the Jain/Buddhist derivations. Hamza : That cannot be true . The Vedas claimed to have destroyed the cities, burned them in fact. There is nothing common between the Soma drinking, sacrifice indulging, warrior people and the Yoga practicing Dravidians. Jain : There is not even a single evidence prior to 3500 BC of any Aryan presence in the Indus Cities , not even a single Vedic god , or language , or culture was a part of Harappan civilization . There is no continuity, no connection, and no compatibility. Virat : The Vedic Brahmins were very clever , by accepting the Jain influences and gods, the Brahmins evoked the concepts of Dharam and Karam . These concepts along with the caste stipulations enslaved an entire people. The very people that gave Hinduism mare than half its theology and gods were subjugated and relegated to be slaves. The beauty was that the slaves could not even protest the concept of Dharam and Karam does care of that. Patel : The Bahrainis were clever but they were flexible and accepted any practice of thought that had the potential to be popular . Jain : The Vedic Hindus destroyed and enslaved the Dravidians . Brahmins looted converted Dravid temples and fabricated stories to justify the loot and enslavement. Better looking Slave women were inducted into temples to serve the Brahmins, thereby adding insult to injury. Virat : More recently , say about 1200 years ago thousand of Dravidians were mass murdered in South Asia , their temples were stolen and they were made slaved (Dalits, untouchables , devils) . Patel: This Aryan thesis is a myth, propagated by the usurping English man , there was no invasion , no destruction .

Jain : There has been no evidence of Vedic existence in the Indus Valley Civilization , the Vedic Hindus worshiped : Indra ; Agni (Fire) ; and Surya (Sun) .The Brahmins incorporated the Jain/Buddhist gods and religion and enslaved the entire Dravidian people . Patel : Hindus are non violent . Gandhi Ji achieved independence using non violence as an instrument. Virat : Vedic Hindus believed in animal sacrifice, even human sacrifice . They also believed in offerings to the gods to make them happy. They burnt the Indus cities and subsequently migrated to North India where they bitterly fought amongst themselves. Non violent indeed! Gandhi himself lost him life to the Hindus dagger. Jain : the Vedic text speaks disparagingly of women , women were discouraged to read the holy text . Women were bracketed with Dalits . Virat : The pacifist Hindus in fact drove the Buddhist form the Hindu heartland and all but eliminated the Jains , took over their temples , their concepts . That surely is not non violence. Patel : This is all borrowed stuff there never was any invasion , these are stories concocted by foreigners . Jain : The Shudras were deemed unfit to recieve education . The upper Varnas were discouraged to impart education n or to give advice to a Shudra .It was deemed unnecessary that Shudra knows the law and codes. Hence there was no need to teach the Shudras the laws. Upper caste violators of this instruction were threatened punishment in the next life. Virat : The Brahmin could order a Shudra to serve him without remunerations , because the Shudra was created to serve the upper classes . The Shudra cannot be freed off his slavery , only in the next rebirth there could be hope or opportunity of a better status . Patel : There was harmony and there was inclusiveness . All castes were part of the same society , this was merely division of labor , sanctified by religion . Jain : Shudras were to have no property . The Brahmin had then right to the Shudras wealth. The Shudras wealth could be seized without compensation, since there is only one place for the Shudra in society. Virat : Women were deemed fickle minded . They were not to be trusted and friendship of women was said to be akin to that of friendship with a wolf. Women were called, Dirika, because she was considered the source of sorrow to all .They was deemed corrupt, greedy and un-vitreous. A wife, a son and a slave could have no wealth or

property. The wealth they earn was considered acquired by labor to which the right was of the one they belong to. Patel : The Hindu civilization reached great heights , All of this is untrue , tales spread by hate mongers . Virat : Even Ram killed Shumbuka simply because he was performing tapasia (ascetic exercises ) , which he was not supposed and allowed to do as he was of Shudra origin . Jain : Dronachanga refused to teach archery to Elclavya because the later was not kshatriya by birth . A Shudra who has acquired wealth was considered to give pain to Brahama . Patel : Hindus philosophy and theology merged to seek ways to include all people within society. This was a great achievement. Virat : Hinduism borrowed elements from Buddhism and eventually the Hindus took up vegetarianism and discouraged animal sacrifices .Shankara developed a monoastic order on the Buddhist model and also borrowed concepts from Buddhist philosophy .He , is said to be the biggest opponent of Buddhism and was the principal architect of Buddhism downfall in India . Hamza : Philosophy and theology was used to sanctify the wrongs done to a significant portion of the population . This was done in such a clever manner that the enslaved were forced to acknowledge their slavery and were not allowed room for protest or even to seek revision. Faith and fate were evoked to enslave an entire people; this was repeated in various forms with other threats. Jain : When the Aryan invaders came to the Indus Valley they were vigorously opposed by tne Dravidians . The Vedic Aryans refer to them as enemies and were called Dasyus. These were treated as outside society. Eventually they were drawn into society but in the process were enslaved; they paid heavy rice for this acceptance into Hindu society. Patel : Hinduism is indeed inclusive, see the beauty of incorporation of the Jains and the Buddhists into main stream Hindu society and thought , all were hinduised . This proves my thesis.

Tales of less than Antiquity

Tara : The Mughals were cruel to the Sikhs . Hamza : Well when Khusru revolted against Jahangir he got asylum at Guru Arjan s house , who was then constructing the Golden Temple . Patel : All right but the Mughals behaved in a very uncivilized manner .

Hamza : The real story is that Chundu Lal did not allow the Mughals and Sikhs to get together . Sikh faith is more than half derived from Islam. Sikhs like Muslims are believers of equality. Muslims and Sikhs are very near in faith. They were never allowed to come nearer by the Hindu Brahmin. Tara : Did the Muslim Emperors have no brains ? Was Jahangir oblivious to the intrigues of his Hindu couturiers? The Muslims themselves had respect for the Sikhs and Gurus. Why then this brutality, thus barbarity? Hamza : Muslims were gullible . These, the emperors, were in any case secular Muslims and were more interested in power than religion. Jahangir got swayed by the Hindu intrigue. Patel : Why then murder the Guru Arjun . Hamza : In Jahangirs court was also the enemy of Guru Arjan Dev, Parthi .He poisoned the Emperors mind against the Guru . Dewam Chabdu Lal wished that the Guru marry his only son Hargoband Ji to his daughter , this the Guru did not agree and thereby created a mortal enemy . Hamza : Along with this the Guru gave asylum to the pretender Khusru . Jahangir himself was half Rajput, he succumbed to the intrigues of the Hindu courtiers. Tara : Barbaric nevertheless . Hmmza : The Muslim rulers were forbidden by faith to avoid forcible conversions . They banned Riba yet allowed the Hindu Baniya to conduct his business based upon Riba . Patel : Why then the brutal murder . Hamza : The King , in any case, had only ordered the arrest of the Guru , since the Guru had provided asylum to his rebellious brother Khusru . Tara : But it was still a major sin to execute the Guru Arjan Dev Ji . Hamza : No the emperor was responding to his political instincts . He was protecting his kingdom and punishing the helpers of the rebellious brother. Patel : Punishment would have been acceptable but why the brutal killing . Hamza : It was Chandu Lal who tortured and killed the Guru . When the King came to know about this he handed over Chandu lal to the Sikhs who took befitting revenge and slew the intriguing courtier. Patel : No I do not agree I think that the Muslims and Sikhs are mortal enemies .

Hamza : It was Akbar who got impressed by the poetry of the Lahori Fourth Guru Ram Das . Akbar gave many villages to the Guru and also gave land in Amritsar where the Sikhs later constructed the Golden Temple. The Temples foundation was laid by Baba Mian Mir .When the Grant Sahaib was complied by Guru Arjun Dev the poetry of Baba Ghulam Farid was included in re holy book. Tara : The Muslims did nothing byt create trouble for us Sikhs . Hamza It was the Mughals who converted the pacifist Sikhs into martial Singhs , The Fourth Guru slept on the floor and sold boiled eggs to make ends meet .Emperor Akbar gave one years tax to the Guru and slowly the pacifist Sikhs got converted into militant Singhs .When Singhs became martial they forgot the Emperors largesse . They also forgot who laid the foundation of the Darbar Sahahb . Tara : The Muslims were cruel to Sikhs . Hamza : The half Rajput Emperor , got swayed by the Hindu intrigue and allowed the killing to take place , the seed of hatred this act sowed culminated in half a million Muslims losing their lives at partition . Muslim women were raped, abducted and killed. The Muslims paid a very heavy price for the Emperors mistake. Master Tara Singh got entrapped by the Intriguing Hindus once more but Jinnah Shahib was much much wiser he understood his adversaries well . We bow our heads in gratitude to the sagacity of Jinnah Shahib .