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there.
know. I'm just going to stay logged out. I'll let you run the
year ago, not quite a year ago, with some claims on whether or
not President Obama was actually born in Hawaii and what went on
hope Tim – Tim says he can stay around and take some calls, but
rather than have six or eight people on at one time, we're going
and maybe a follow-up question, and then we'll – you can either
hang up or we'll mute you, but if we get too many people on, it
gets a little bit hard to follow for both the host and the
your question, and then we'll try to bring you on in the order
you called.
RC: Hey, thanks a lot for coming on, and while we tried to
remember, and I know you had – I think your father passed away,
MR. ADAMS: Well, thank you, yes, and it was right about
the time that they still had a gag order on me down here. So it
we finally hooked up. I emailed Tim a few weeks ago, and he was
ready to come back on the show. Last week – I was going to have
from Arizona on, and she got busy. So but anyway, it all worked
Security out of Pearl Harbor, and I had some friends who were in
the senior elections clerk for the election cycle in 2008, and
RC: Okay, so you – one question I had then is how you came
spot.
they have a lot of problems, and if you don't make six figures a
high as just about any place in the country, up there with New
of Hawaii? Did you just want to try that, or try living there?
MR. ADAMS: I went over there on a visit and, being single,
from all over the Pacific Rim and Asia coming through there all
the time, people coming back and forth from the mainland all the
employee. We're the people who manage the temporary hires and
basically.
interview you gave that kind of burst on the scene over a year
clerk or running that office, but that wasn't the case then?
RC: Okay, but did you have any direct reports in that
position?
asked that her name not be used. She retired right after the
because she's asked that no one mention her. She was about a
cycle, and she's asked that we don't mention who she is. She's
older and her health's not that good, and she just doesn't want
the aggravation.
there and have read some of the news reports that they've been
September.
me, isn't that the real, really busy time for the elections
work environment got worse and worse, and school started back,
and I said, you know, I don't need the hassle of going to school
come back.
come back to work, and I just told them the way that some of the
RC: Okay, why don't we play this clip, if you don't mind.
RC: Okay, I'll play this, and then we'll come back. I
name is Tim Adams, and he was the chief elections clerk, chief
Bill?
MR. ADAMS: Yes, I was chief elections clerk for the city
people.
When this question came up, I had access to all the usual
office who are under the city clerk of Honolulu, and the
was not born in the United States, and there is no Hawaii long
worthy of – not that they're better than us, not that they're
the chief elections clerk for the city and county of Honolulu,
Bill?
common knowledge within that office that there was no long form
birth certificate?
there is no documentation.
SPEAKER: And I guess the fact that you know that and
from the start of the election cycle when they hired us in the
identity documents, stolen out of the office, and they were all
the voting records, the ballots, that people sent in who were
positions, they would now know whether or not they voted for the
current president.
out who should remain in the diplomatic corps and who should not
RC: Okay, let me bring Tim and, Foggy, you're back in,
too.
RC: Yeah, they seemed very excited. Now, that was at the
– make sure I get the name right. That was at the Council of
that correct?
clerk.
RC: Okay.
he said. I went back later and tried to correct him, but it all
you said it was common knowledge around the office, and you said
we knew that Obama wasn't born in Hawaii. Who is we and how did
they know?
made inquiries, and the only thing we got back was, is, there
RC: Well, we can get into that later. That's been bandied
access.
Did you – first of all, let me ask you this. Did you have
access to the birth records in the state of Hawaii from that
office?
Health birth records. The physical records we did not have, no.
Hospital, and the answer we got back from them was they don't
MR. ADAMS: Well, this was what my boss came and told me,
because –
FOGGY: Okay, and the other thing that – I mean, there was
another guy on the ballot. His name was Joe Biden. I don't
Queens Hospital? And there must have been some people on the
either.
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MR. ADAMS: Well, that's the whole legal question. There is no
correct?
actually just the name for the island of Oahu. So it's the
was asking about Joe Biden. I'm sure they have some kind of
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questions.
certificate?
MR. ADAMS: Because they say that they don't have one.
RC: The director of the Department of Health has issued a
MR. ADAMS: No, she wasn't lying. What she saw was is
there.
That was a quote from Mike Evans, who has since recanted that
quote.
MR. ADAMS: Yes, he made that story and then recanted it,
and you don't – you won't name anyone. You conveniently can't
name who your supervisor was. You can't name anyone who is
MR. ADAMS: Well, there are several people who are there
who know her, but she has said not to use her name, and I'm
As far as the story from the gentleman who was the reporter
came out and said he found it. He just mysteriously kind of let
MR. ADAMS: Yes, and they were going – and that's when they
bring up the $100 faith and credit law. They would allow you to
but the fact is if there had been a document, he'd a brought it.
FOGGY: Tim?
FOGGY: You do know that nobody can get a long form birth
MR. ADAMS: I know they changed the law in 2009 which said
all electronic.
MR. ADAMS: 2001 was the issuance. Yes, 2001 was when they
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birth from Hawaii, and it has the wrong date. A document from
RC: Tim, that document has the state seal. It has the
signature.
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Obama’s birth made public. You know who can get a copy of his
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reasonable people.
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Weigel said:
want to call anyone a liar”, but that “Adams never had access to
I don’t know.”
the senior elections clerk job that Adams held was a low-level
testimony for things going on in his, uh, office, which are not
say about me. Um, I don’t hold him any hard feelings. He knows
what went on, he knows what people were asking, he was there.
these are kind of big scandals, these are things that happen
when people are, you know, doing civil service jobs. But, uh,
RC: Oh, so for that reason that makes him a liar, eh.
MR. ADAMS: No. It’s just, uh, it just means that, uh,
who I am still friends with and just talked with this same week
still works in Honolulu. Uh, a reporter from Fox News has been
out there snooping around. They asked her to make public
her job in the civil service, and she’s not going to speak
There is no such thing as free speech when you work for the
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RC: Well, you, you were certainly able to say what, what
you wanted to say. Now, now you, you did mention, I believe,
and we’ll get to your, the affidavit that you filed. First, I
was this sworn under, under oath to any officer of the court?
thing.
public, but you know I could get my, any, any document I can get
June, but, um, I’m poor, so, uh, this past year, uh, some of the
Daily, they paid for the lawyer to draw the thing up. They, uh,
sent it up here and I had it, uh, notarized and signed, and
RC: So, you, did World Net Daily pay you for the
affidavit?
World Net Daily, I forget who, it might have been Mr. Corsi, um,
had their attorney draw it up. So they paid for the attorney
up?
times on the phone before they sent it up here and told me what
back to them.
perjury.
RC: Okay.
proceeding -
RC: Right.
and again, you, you say senior officer, senior officers. We’ll
government.
Again, who are the senior officers? Can you name one name?
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Foggy: No, no, no. Janice Okubo was quoted way back when
separate organization - and she said that, that, um, what, what
it.
Certificate.
Foggy: Well -
Foggy: Have you, have you seen the photographs of it? The
MR. ADAMS: I’ll tell you what I will do. I will double-
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that anything that has been shown to the public is anything but
a simulacrum.
Foggy: But have you looked at the factcheck photographs
where the, you know, the one where he’s holding it in his hand?
photographs you’re talking about, and I’ll tell you what, I will
hunt -
for “born in the USA”, and when you find that one, you’ll see
not like the one that wound up on, you know, the flat version
from about 3 inches away and it’s very easy to see that there’s
have the signature of the registrar and it has to have the date
that the birth certificate was filed. And the, and the
certification of live birth that’s in those photographs, very
certificate.
public and meanwhile you come here and say that you worked for
certificates at all -
birth certificates. No, I’m, I’m quoting from the U.S. State
So, I -
certificate.
department -
there.
Dr. Fukino and Republican Governor Laura Lingle all put their
this, they did not go into the archive to see if the physical
documents.
RC: No, no, you said when we -
office and I told him point blank, because he said, he made the
statement that he was worried that if they brought out the birth
certificate.
It’s not went away. It’s been four years. Why not settle the
RC: Tim, now one thing, one thing you said – now this may
have been in the affidavit - you said that there were closed
No one has - no one now living has come forward and said that
MR. ADAMS: But she was not an eyewitness, now was she?
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Doc C: Oh, uh, thanks, uh you may not know my blog but -
about Barack Obama and I don’t think this should be such a great
power to do so.
the document, which, I’m looking at the State website right now.
certificate on record.“
MR. ADAMS: On record. She did not say “I found”. She did
not say “I have seen the certificate”. She saw a record stating
Doc C: Verified.
record.
Bill Clinton and what the meaning of “is” is. The fact is
Doc C: Well, then Dr. Fukino further said, she said I, Dr.
Department of Health.
http:Hawaii.gov/health/about/pr/2009/09 –
he found it.
But the fact is, we’ve had one person all along who could
McCain eligible. But the point - that sent us off track, I mean
fiasco, if that’s what you want to call it, is that some Fox
one night when all this was going on back in January, and one of
them said the worst thing that can happen is he doesn’t produce
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not the birth certificate, and the point about this entire
side, and I openly call them racists, who oppose Barack Obama
were saying that Barack Obama's middle name was Hussein and –
MR. ADAMS: There's always been that racist element, and
the man will always have to deal with that, I suppose, as long
as he's in office.
birth certificate from Hawaii – and you may say it's not, but
department that –
Honolulu.
MR. ADAMS: And the thing I've seen on the internet has not
internet, though I'm going to have to check out this one that he
different one.
website.
made, and I'll get back here. Let's go back to McCain. McCain
natural born citizen has never been about someone born in the
RC: Right, it has been about people who are born to U.S.
Romney back in the 60s. It has come up a few times, and there
state that the Senate's opinion was that John McCain was
out our colleague, let's say that we don't think that this is a
a few reporters, but they weren't allowed to copy it, and no one
has ever seen John McCain's real birth certificate. So the only
presidents.
happens again.
RC: I think we just don't elect another black president,
after.
all this got kicked off, and I've mentioned it before – I would
wonder why he would want to end this controversy. You know, the
only people who believe that he's not a natural born citizen are
people who would never vote for him anyway. The only people who
we do, but we follow the controversy all over the place, and
read that -
Michele Bachmann, just the same way they've been writing open
MR. ADAMS: I've had some of them jump on me, because I'm
not sufficiently er, what do you call it? I'm trying to subvert
these are still people of the United States, and to rip apart -
you know we're in a very divided country right now anyway, for a
on. I think the reason that this controversy doesn't die, quite
hay off this issue. It will not go away, unless somebody like
I know you don't think that, I know you don't think it was valid
with you this far. President Obama has stated that he has
of the man -
not saying he still has it. You know I - I've had birth
certificates and lost them after moving and if you realize that
R.C: Yeah.
Foggy: You know, for who? Certainly not, certainly not for
people with, that's why these people with different lawsuits and
so on that on there, they try to contact me, and I just let them
States? Because they weren't born there and they held a dual
citizenship at birth -
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Indonesia. They would - they would say that his father - his
MR. ADAMS: Yes. I understand the idea that his father was
a British subject.
Foggy: Right.
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United States. The more extremist people out there try to - you
It doesn't hold water. You can't say, once you give the man
Tim, you say Barack Obama could end all this. Let's do a little
'Oh, guess what? You know, I went back to Chicago and looked up
Here it is, the long form copy that - you know, that grandma -
MR. ADAMS: The extremists will wail and gnash their teeth,
can tell you exactly what would happen. You have a good portion
Obama was born, because they are De Vattelists who believe you
handful of birthers who would go home. You know, Phil Berg for
example, has never bought into the two parent citizen theories,
Apuzzos, and Orly Taitz and all their followers, and Donofrio
MR. ADAMS: It's because they say you have to have two
even had several states propose birther bills that said you
day, a lot - they, they all died, but, I mean we had legislators
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MR. ADAMS: Well, let's just define it. Let's just say
about their parentage and all the rest, if they're born a U.S.
do that?
so much problem with this issue already - you know - could not
Constitution means.
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not I'm actually going to sort of agree with Tim here. I think
one.
R.C: Well, I hope not too. I'm glad I lived long enough to
see it happen, and I'm very proud of Mr. Obama. But, I think
Congress could pass a law that says - you know - that defines
the courts have all - you know - none of the courts have seen
Foggy: R.C?
think if that was the law, then possibly Hillary Clinton would
would think that John McCain might have brought it up, or Sarah
Palin, when they were desperate to beat Obama and were losing.
You would think that the entire time that Obama ran for
it, somewhere along the line. And you know, if you talk to
try to say both your parents must be citizens in order for you
nonsense', you know, that is just utter nonsense, and the truth
elected President.
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Foggy: We've traced down, and the history of the thing is,
whether or not the candidates are eligible to run for the office
that they're running for; they send off to Queen's Hospital and
have to disclose records, they just have to verify that they are
MR. ADAMS: Well, what's going around is, he's not born in
Hawaii.
Foggy: - and the supervisor told you about it, and you
conversations?
R.C: Tim, one thing we didn't mention were the - are the
Honolulu newspapers that came out just days after his birth.
Hawaii?
MR. ADAMS: When they did the notation for his birth that
birth announcements.
MR. ADAMS: When they made the notation that they found in
Doc C: But what - how did the announcement get put in the
who were not born in hospital, and it was often given to native
Birth?
MR. ADAMS: Yeah. The fact is we took the - the short form
not exist.
who were born in the hospital, and how are they different?
ago were born at home, and somebody else was born in a hospital
on the document.
MR. ADAMS: No, it's not the same form. They were
there were separate forms, and they looked very different. You
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thing. I mean, that was for people who were not registered …
Doc C: One of the problems when you ask the state about
these things you know, and they'll say 'nobody is here that was
that - by the way that doctor, RC, that you mentioned, Dr.
things some of the things Tim has said here are a little bit -
MR. ADAMS: Well, I can tell you where the documents - the
school.
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R.C: Yeah, now, Tim, you are aware that - you are aware
MR. ADAMS: No, no. I know there was a letter that they
written it, but like I said, I don't really want to get into
R.C: Yes.
brochure, but still, it's not proof. Let me, you know, you were
have ever given that initial radio interview, given that all the
Yes, and I'll tell you exactly why. Because I think eventually,
eligible to run for any office they would like to run for. I
don't think your parentage, if there's something wrong, if your
that things are the way that you expressed that they should be,
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that you were under a gag order? You were under a gag order?
there was so much going on down here. There - the college was
getting death threats, I've had cops who had to escort me the
two miles back and forth to work every day. It was just nuts.
been mine that was written or spoken or blogged, for about the
last ten years, was drug up and, you know, put out, in an
a neocon, and I'm not a tea partier, I'm pretty much a liberal.
last year, and I'd been fairly successful at it, and they were
having this big meeting down in Nashville, and you always hear
about groups like this, and I said, I don't know what I'm going
it.
1.53.27
all. What's scary is the people who you find down there
attempting to co-opt them. Paul Fromm was there.
The Black family who own Stormfront dot org were there.
They had about half a dozen PhDs running around down there,
which really surprised me, and they all came from this anthropo
after the 60s - you know - basically the white power movement
had to change its image, and so along came David Duke, and he
kind of cleaned it up, and now these guys are trying to coopt
people who have PhDs. They want people who are in academia.
You know, they would probably at the time they met me loved to
racial group that he blamed for all the problems in America, and
you know, these kind of people exist, and then you have these
other people that are very respectable, and they appear very
legitimate, but the things that they're pushing are actually the
same old hack, kind of racial doctrines that you've heard for,
slickly.
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minute ago, there. You said your phone was tapped? How did you
(long pause)
Hello?
R.C: I hope he calls back in. We'll watch for him there.
him back.
are talking about a crime, and I'm wondering if Mr. Adams would
to name, because what they might have done was illegal. Because
have had any - even if Mr. Adams thinks that they had a
could ask you something. Did you find it incredible that Tim
Adams said that he had never seen the COLB images on Fact Check?
Who knows anything about - what person who knows the word
looking for, you should have seen the Fogbow chatroom going
bananas on us.
caller with their hand up Foggy, if you want to catch 'em, but
01:29:45
Mimi: Hi.
Mimi: Hello.
MR. ADAMS: You find out what happens when your phones are
tapped. You mention ‘Stormfront’ and they cut your phone line
off.
[Laughter.]
RC: Let me finish with one question and then I’ll let all
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the time, I don’t know how much you all heard before I got cut
off there, umm, yeah, when all this happened, it was nuts. It
was a mess. And I really got to the point, I thought, I’m going
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got very violent. There are some really, you know, kind of
the election part, and what they say is that they’re tied in
with the DMV and with the real estate records. They’re working
on the Social Security records. And that’s it. That’s all they
have.
Mimi: And you also told RC that you had access to criminal
MR. ADAMS: I know. That’s what we, Glen and them, got in
trouble for. What happens is that when they hook you into the
plugged you into the state database, if you knew how to work a
database, and you had unrestricted access like the managers and
01:33:10
Mimi: Yeah, but why would you, why would anybody want to
thing. It was just simply the fact that if you have someone
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physically get in the car and go out and find people at their
criminal records.
MR. ADAMS: Ummm, they were not happy about it when they
found out. See, I didn’t, not having worked there before, I was
I found out from the people at the Elections Office that they
got quite a bit of heat over that, and I imagine that they've
The only problem being there with about one percent of the
for the voter rolls. And those people may not get to vote in an
election where they should have been allowed to. And that
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to ask you is why you waited two years to come forward with
this?
the only reason anything I’ve said ever made headlines was the
If it hadn’t been for that, you probably never would have heard
of it.
01:36:00
RC: Well, I mean, you could have - you could certainly
call my show, but I haven’t been around - I’ve been around about
a year and a half. But I mean there, I mean there - you could
have contacted any number, I’m sure World Net Daily would have
wanted this story two years ago. But you could have contacted
MR. ADAMS: I didn’t think it was big news. The whole idea
of people still don’t think that he was born there. They think
that - now that leaves 49 other states for him to be born in and
they'd try to bring her age into it. But if he was born to an
things you can go into, but the fact is, he was born - I still
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because two weeks after he was born she was reportedly up there
going to college.
Now, we can argue about that, but that’s how it got started.
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did not occur. And so, as long as people think that, you know,
right? But I mean, the fact is that when people perceive there
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MR. ADAMS: Well, that gets into the whole thing. Is his
RC: But, they could not have registered him, and gotten a
RC: Factcheck.org.
MR. ADAMS: Yeah, I’m gonna check this one out after we get
been some kind of cover-up. And I don’t think it’s some kind of
like that, I think most people would go “oh, okay”. And they
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which is much more inclusive. And I know you could say “well,
technically now we’re there”. But the fact that we have these
there are five lawyers in the United States who are arguing that
you need two citizen parents. There are about 1.2 million
hundred ninety -
MR. ADAMS: I’m not even saying that we should have one
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Church?
01:43:00
MR. ADAMS: I went there to see if they were gonna show up,
but they didn’t show up. There were several members of the
Hawaii Police Department that were there hoping they would show
up also.
I can tell you who was there that I know and that was Mrs.
Insurance Company, and they have a very nice estate out there at
Black Point and I used to stay out there in their guest house
quite a bit. Lovely elderly couple. And, she was the one who
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MR. ADAMS: Oh, I was very active with the Native Hawaiian
Honolulu.
Never built a road, Never wove cloth, Lost the art of making
because I’ve had several people claim I’ve written things in the
have.
make.
Mimi: No, no, they’re old. Yes, but your blog posts are
exactly the same as your myspace posts, with the same picture,
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racists are too smart to do it...no wait, if you don't vote for
RC: Well, yes, if you said what Mimi just said I would
call it racist.
whipped.
still had more votes) should have been the nominee. Democrats
candidacy...”
you?
think you can really pin him. I’ve heard that said before
can think of right off the top of the hat are people that I
Church. You are, obviously, not a fan of Obama, and not a fan
strange -
01:49:00
MR. ADAMS: You somehow get the idea that I am not a fan of
the Hawaiian people? I’ve lived and worked with the Hawaiian
people, ma'am, in fact I was the person who was given a - how
would you say it? I was asked, commissioned I guess you would
of it you said: “When one asks the question, "Why are these
they were isolated, not only from the Haoles, but from the other
history?
they didn’t do any better. It was only when they started going
Thanks, though, that did clear some stuff up for me. I still
lot.
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Hatfield was here, too, those hospital records actually are not
of course, Stanley Durham had passed away a long time ago. So,
the idea that somebody can just call up and say “oh, I want
these records” …
people’s identities.
Mimi: They can’t even tell the police. They’re not even
record.
record.
Mimi: No, they can’t. They cannot. It’s against the law.
It’s against the law. So, if in fact, that’s what you were
MR. ADAMS: No, ma'am, it is not. It’s against the law for
MR. ADAMS: If you can ever find where Dr. Fukino actually
Hawaii.”
proof otherwise.
Mimi: Obviously, with everything that you’ve just told me,
Mimi: “verifying - ”
RC: And you can tell me one name who I can call tomorrow,
MR. ADAMS: I did like the way you brought up the idea
where I was talking, the thing about racist dialogue. You can’t
01:54:00:
MR. ADAMS: Ma'am, I’m not allowed to give you those names.
You talk about information you can’t be giving out, when someone
just say some guy, who I’m not gonna tell you. I mean, what
cannot give their name because they have forbidden their name to
means nothing.
lied about the cat’s name or age, nobody’s gonna put me.
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Daily. You know apparently paid for a - I don’t know why they
Mimi: Hey, have you met any of them? Have you met Corsi
Mimi: Still?
RC: Tim, do you believe World Net Daily is a credible
outlets. And you have to take all of them with a grain of salt.
Mimi: Why would you read a story and trust the account of
a guy where the guy won’t give you the names? I’m just
wondering.
MR. ADAMS: Mimi, I’m sorry, I can’t give you their names
Mimi: But what would - if you read that story, would you
believe it? If you read a story and it just said some anonymous
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source, I told you who they are, I just can’t give you their
names. You can go look them up. But I cannot name them because
RC: Okay, give me the title, Tim, give me the title, and
front of me. Tell you, you know Glen, and Glen has allowed his
name to be used. You can ask Glen what the titles for them are,
MR. ADAMS: I don’t have the paperwork here with me. It’s
Takahashi then?
MR. ADAMS: Well, Glen was over, there was Glen and another
gentleman whose name I’m blanking right now, and they were - it
went down from the city clerk. I believe there was another
gentleman, and then Glen, and then my supervisors, and then me.
was also either one of the people who was in charge of overall
overall operations.
supervision.
MR. ADAMS: The main office, downtown, was where he worked.
RC: Foggy, someone there has their hand up there. Did you
RC: Area code starting with 3, I won’t give any more. Did
Foggy: Hey!
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for. But, you know, they took X-rays, all old X-ray films that
they’re gone.
SueDB: No! This is what they did in 2000 is they all went
official file. And, what they’ve done is gotten rid of all the
will not find a paper copy. But what you will find is a
in. And, if you say “well, of course you can’t find a long
paper in there, and no, it’s in data. And it’s certified data.
your comment, SueDB. And then I want to thank Tim for hanging
I’ve worked in and out of hospitals for twenty years and, you
cannot do it.
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was 1961, anything that Mama had in medical records is long gone
costs money. And, it’s big money to warehouse all this stuff,
keep it all nice and warm, keep the bugs out of it, and keep it.
it.
RC: Which is exactly what Hawaii did. Everything now,
database.
consists of whatever the long form is. You can custom tailor a
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