Dialogs With Non Muslims - Vol7

Dialog With Non Muslims (FAQ about Islam) Volume – 7
DIALOG WITH NON MUSLIMS ON

THREADS OF TOPIX
OR
FAQ ABOUT ISLAM
VOL-7
Submitted by: M.U. Qidwai on SCRIBD
Date: March 20th 2011
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Preface:
In the name of Allah, the Most Graceful, the Most Merciful.
All praise is for Allah the Lord and Cherisher of this Universe and His Peace and
Blessings be on to His servant and Messenger Mohammad and the family of
Mohammad and companions of Mohammad and on those who follow in their
footsteps, till the last day, afterwards,
Dear Readers,
This is the seventh in the series of dialogs and discussions which I had with Non
Muslims and Muslims on the threads of TOPIX, the well known discussion forum,
www.topix.net. It consists of 291 Questions with answers. Earlier volumes along
with their date of publishing and the link addresses are as:
1. First Volume, published on, 13th Oct 2008, http://www.scribd.com/doc/13103050/
2. Second Volume, published on 14th March 2009,

http://www.scribd.com/doc/13262933/
3. Third Volume, published on 16th May 2009. http://www.scribd.com/doc/15492127/
4. Fourth Volume, published on 15th Aug 2009,

5. Fifth Volume, published on 11th Sept 2009, http://www.scribd.com/doc/22247840/
6. Sixth Volume, published on 3rd March 2010,

And this is the seventh volume and I do not know how many more would be
published in future.
Range of topics and discussions are varying on such threads, but I have participated
and commented and selected for posting those which deal generally with Islam and
Muslims or have some effect on them.
I have now been very selective in choosing the questions and answers for publication
on SCRIBD, as will be evident between the long gap between the publication of sixth
volume and the seventh volume.
As I had mentioned in my preface to earlier volumes, that I have abridged the

questions, in order to save space on the thread and also on SCRIBD. I have also
removed some of the “Swear Words, Abuses , Insults and Expletives” which are so
common on these threads when people go out of the bounds of civilized discussions.
This volume of Questions and Answers are divided into different chapters, and these
are:
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Chapter-1 Dealing with Atheism and related topics, Q-1 to -Q26
Chapter-2 Dealing With Christianity and related Topics, Q27 TO Q62
Chapter-3 Dealing with Islam (On Allah and Islamic beliefs), Q 63 to 100
Chapter-4 Dealing with Islam (Laws and Practices), Q 101 to Q 154
Chapter -5 Dealing with Islam (Quran and Prophet) Q 155 to Q 198
Chapter -6 Dealing with Jews and Israel Q 199 to Q 233
Chapter -7 Dealing with Misc. Subjects Q 234 to Q 265
Chapter -8 Dealing with Violence and Terrorism Q, 266 to Q 291
I would again like to clarify that I am not an Islamic Scholar and the views mentioned
are my own and not of Islam. They are based on my knowledge and perception of
Islam. I have tried to be within the boundary of Islam and have not posted anything
which according to my knowledge is against Islam.
If I have gone outside the limits or have made any mistakes in factual presentations or
any thing which goes against Islam , I seek forgiveness from Allah. No human is
above error, It is only Allah which is above such shortcomings and limitation.
The purpose of presenting these questions and answers of SCRIBD is to preserve

these and to pass it on to other people, who did not take part on original discussions.
If any one gets to know the true picture of Islam and Muslims thru these questions and
answers and changes his or her instance, I will think that my labours are amply
rewarded.
In the end, I pray to Allah to accept my humble efforts, and forgive any intentional or
intentional mistakes that I have committed in writing and compiling these questions
and answers and make it helpful for people who do not know much about Islam and
those who carry out Anti Islamic propaganda, knowingly or thru lack of knowledge.
And May Peace and Blessings of Allah be on to our Prophet Mohammad and his
family and companions.
M. U. Qidwai
Jubail, Saudi Arabia
March 20, 2011
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Chapter-1
(On Atheism and Related subjects)
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Q.1 How Nature proves existence of Creator?
Ans.
More on NATURE and NATURAL phenomenon:
Every one on this thread have seen or knows how speechless our stalwarts become
when asked to define some common words which they use so much in explaining and
defending their Half Scientific- Half Philosophical BTOE.
One of that word is NATURE and another is NATURAL process and phenomenon:
Today I will touch on one product so abundant on earth, so essential for life and so
freely available. What role NATURE had in its generation and its preservation.
1. If you ask any scientist (BTOE or non BTOE), what is water, he will say it is H2O,
i.e. two atoms of Hydrogen, combined with one atom of Oxygen and that makes
water.
2. If you ask them what are the properties of water….they will point out a long list,
- Its boiling point is 100 o C at atmospheric Pressure
- Its freezing point is 0 o C at atmospheric pressure..
- Its specific gravity is 1.0 at 25 o C and it changes with temperature, and its
maximum specific gravity is at 4 o C (both above and below it decreases, which is a
unique property of water),
- it has an “optical Window” so that sun light can propagate to some depths inside
water
- It is a great dissolving agent unparalleled compared to any other liquid etc.
3. If you ask them who “discovered” these amazing properties of water….they will
come up with a long list of scientists who devoted many years of their lives to find all
these and many more.
3A. Some will boast that we “discovered” the power of steam and used it for
generating electricity, running ships and machines and for so many other uses.
4. Now, you ask them could any one guess, what will happen when Hydrogen and
Oxygen combine to make water, just by looking at these gasses as basic ingredients?
5. Now ask them, was it by Chance or thru Evolution that water developed all these
properties?
5a. Or ask them, did water had any say in fixing these properties and qualities for
itself?
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5b. And Ask them, Did we humans or any other living creature in past have or had
any hand in fixing or modifying any of these properties?
6. Ask them, did NATURE knew before creating water that it would turn out to be
such a wonder liquid, and it shall be so essential for creation and sustaining all type
of life forms?
7. Now ask them, Is it illogical or unreasonable or absurd to say that NATURE knew
these properties before water was created, otherwise it would not have created it in so
much abundance.
8. Now tell them, what they call as NATURE is no other than Creator of this
Universe, who KNEW much before water was created that what would be its
properties and to what use it would or could be used and what purpose it could not be
used (for example, you will not be able to use water as a fuel for fire!!).
9. Tell them, this is how a true scientist sees the presence and hand of Creator in every
thing in Universe and our BTOE fellows keep on asking “show me where is the
Creator” we want to see Him with our eyes, my answer would be “Look at water”
and try to find out its properties before mixing Hydrogen and Oxygen!!
What is true for water is true for every thing in this Universe. “NATURE” knows
what is happening and what will happen…and then TOE will take a totally different
meaning!!
BTOE will vanish in thin air and Random Mutations shall no more be Random, and
“NATURAL Selections” shall be what “NATURE” wants to create!!
That is why I said our BTOE fellows should open their eyes and see “NATURE”
every where around them!!
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Q.2 How can we “See” the Creator with our eyes?
Ans.
Seeing with eyes
Keeping their Eyes Open:
When I say that BTOE people should open their eyes and then see, many people think
that I am pulling their leg.
They say that we keep our eyes and ears open and we see and we listen thru them.
But there also “Inner eyes” and “inner ears” inside human bodies too.
Quran says “….Truly it is not the eyes that are blind, but the hearts which are in their
breasts” (22:46)
If they open up their hearts, there are millions of signs that would point out towards
their Creator.
Polar Star:
I just mention pole star…..we all know that it stays at same place in the sky….for
what purpose? There could be thousands of purpose….but most evident is to show
the people directions when they are traveling during nights in ocean and lands.
People think that humans were always living in 20th centuries….they fail to realize
that growth of science has been gradual….if these initial helps and guides were not
available….science would never have reached to its present level.
When we ask our BTOE fellows about polar star….they dismiss it as insignificant and
say that similar things are available on other planets also. The question is not
this….the question is why Polar Star should be visible with naked eyes? There could
be other stars like Polar Star which might be seen with Powerful Telescopes…..but
would they have helped humans in the early stage of their civilization?
Other Navigational Aids:
Then we find things like “big bear” “Small bear” and other groups of stars that move
in a particular fashion….so as to provide aids to people traveling in seas and lands
during night.
The fact that they are visible with naked eyes and have very simple logic means that
they can be used in any age and by every group of people.
How did this happen? Our BTOE people would say “by chance” or “By Random
mutation”.
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Phases of Moon:
Then there are phases of moon….what for? There could be hundreds of uses….the
most evident in that it is a “Universal Calendar” in the sky. In early stages of
civilizations it was the only Calendar available to human kind.
How else they could have keep track of days and months and events without moon?
There could be other stars and satellites that could have such phases….I do not
question it, I was talking about moon, because it is so close and so visible to us.
Why it should have such clearly marked phases, so that any one can find the date?
How did it happen? What are odds against it?
If you add all these odds ….and there are thousands upon thousands of such
odds….there is no chance in the world that they all could have happened all together
…..unless of course they were MADE like that!!
I have given earlier the examples of nails, that even such things as nails have been
designed and placed KNOWINGLY by the Merciful Creator.
That is why I ask these BTOE fellows to Open Up their eyes and See thru
nature….every thing will point out to their Creator……but if you close your eyes and
sew up your hearts…no reason and no logic can reach to your hearts.
How sad, that the people who should be in forefront of “proving that God exists.
Waste all their energies to prove that God does not exist”!!
Some day our Grand Children would laugh at us…..being so dumb as to not look at
what was right in front of our noses!!
Q-3. Does Creator Exist? Is there any proof? (From Really)
Ans.
I had warned you in advance about this problem with Atheists, that they do not want
to discuss any thing logically and jump from point to point!!
Just look at your post, you have raised how many points at the same time and then
provided your own answers and then posed some more questions and answered them
yourself…..is that the way in which logical discussions are held?
We have to be patient in these matters and should raise one point at a time, unless that
point is settled or the parties have fixed their stands, we should go to next point.
So the first point which I want to ask is this:
Is it possible for any thing to exist without any Creator?
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Can any useful thing be Created without any design, plan or purpose?
Please remember that I am talking about this Entire Universe, but since our
experience is limited to our own earth and things around earth, our response should be
based on our own experience.
Let us receive your answer on this, before we move to next step.
Q.4. Can Nature Exist without Creator?
All these questions underscore the fundamental problem with

religion, in that it creates paradoxical situations for which there is
no answer.
One argument I always hear from non-atheists is that the universe

cannot exist without a creator. Something had to create it. Well, by
the same logic, couldn't one argue that if something cannot exist
without a creator, than how is the existence of a god possible. And
if the answer is that a god can exist without a creator, then can't
the same be argued for the universe? You can't answer these
questions without referring back to your holy book, which is
irrelevant to a non-believer and proves nothing.
You claim to be logical. That Muslims are logical. Yet, your belief is
based on anything BUT logic.
Ans.
A. Creation Versus Creator
Some one who said that nothing can exist without its creator was speaking the truth.
When you see any painting, or any house or any car…..does the first thought that
comes into your mind is that it came out by itself?
The first thought that comes in the mind of any right thinking person is about the
artist who painted this picture, about the builder who made the house and the Car
designer…this is very natural.
How come then when you look at this vast Universe, the first thought that should
come to your mind is that it came all by itself? This is a very unreasonable and very
illogical stand.
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B. Who Created the Creator:
This is the best question which these Atheists seem to think about Creator. If they
think with cool mind, they will realize that the process of Creation has to stop at some
stage. And that stage is the Creator.
He is the alone Uncreated in this Universe. As paintings are different from the painter,
Car is different from the car manufacturer, so is this Creator different from this
creation.
If this is understood by our Atheist, their main worry will be solved.
C. Faulty Concept of God in Judaism and Christianity:
In fact it is this faulty concept of God in Judaism and Christianity that has given rise
to this increase in Atheism in Western world.
As per Jews, their God is a racial God, who only cares for Jews and leaves all other
humans to wander in ignorance.
In Christianity the purity of God ‘s Personality is compromised by this unexplainable

concept of Trinity, the God having begotten a Son and Son is sacrificed to atone for
original sins for all human etc.
These and atrocities committed by Church on Science and Scientists during those dark
ages are main reasons for spread of Atheism.
Islamic concept of God is much more pure and free from all these defects. We talk
about a Universal God , who cares about every thing in this Universe.
D. Talking with Atheist
I have no problem in talking with Atheists and in fact I admire them for their rebellion
against the traditional concept of God which they inherited from their society.
But what I find that most of these so called Atheists are not logical thinkers. They do
not want to carry out a logical debate and jump from point to point in order to save
themselves in a situation where they have no argument/
Then they start using abusive language against religion, religious books and religious
personalities , when they have no answer to the logical question.
If you promise to use civil language,. Do not abuse or use foul language against our
God, our Scripture and against our prophet, we can have a discussion.
But it should be a logical discussion, we should not go to other point, unless we clear
the first point.
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Q.5: Proof of Creator from Animal Kingdom
Ans.
Man and Animal Kingdom:
It is a fact which very few humans realise and think. How much humans enjoy the
benefits from animals without doing very little to do with creation.
Let us first look at some of the major benefits from Animal Kingdom:
1. Cattle or Domestic Animals:
They include, Cow, Buffalo, Goat, Sheep, Camel and some other animals found in
certain countries (Yak etc). We get many benefits from them and what we feed them
are the things that humans do not eat.
We eat the grain and corn and they eat leaves, branches and other leftovers. What a
great benefit it is in the food cycle, if they also ate what we eat, there would have been
a direct competition in the food cycle.
Someone took care that these animals can survive and be content with what humans
do not eat regularly! Was it just by chance or coincidence?
Now let us see, what benefits we derive from them
A. Milk:
Milk is the first and foremost of the benefits that humans derive from cattle. Have we
ever thought how little is our contribution in creating the milk? Have we any say is
the way, milk is produced in the cattle bodies? Our maximum contribution is cross
breeding to find a variety that gives maximum output. This is not much of a
contribution, is it?
Have we ponder on the milk itself, how it is digestible by human bodies, did we
design our digestive system to digest milk of animals?
B. Flesh:
Animal flesh is one of important diets of humans. If our digestive system was not
designed to digest Animal Flesh, we could never have been able to eat or digest their
meet. What is our OWN contribution in designing it? Our closest cousin in nature
(Apes) cannot digest animal flesh and therefore only eat vegetarian products.
C. Clothing:
Wool, skin and furs of these animals provide clothing for humans. Despite scientific
progress and alternatives available, there is often no better alternative in extreme
weather conditions but to use animal furs and skins. We hardly ever think how much
benefits we derive from these animals.
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D. Transportation:
In our age people may look down upon use of animals as means of transportation, but
for thousands of years humans have used animals as means of transportation. Horses
and Camels and Oxen were very recently used as a major mode of transportation.
These animals could cover vast distances, carrying humans as well as their
belonging…..for what price? A drink and feed at regular intervals?
E. Other usage:
In fact, if we go in detail, we find that every part of animal bodies is used in one form
or the other. Their usage in industries and medical profession is wide spread.
2. Who subjected these Animals to humans?
We derive so many benefits from animals, but have we ever reflected, who subjected
these animals to us? Was it our own Power , Intelligence or Evolutionary process?
If Animal species would have become enemies of human race, there was no way,
humans could have survived on earth. There was some one who subjugated these
animals to us, and we have nothing to do with it!
Can BTOE provide answers to these questions? I think not? Survival of Fittest
cannot provide answers to these question by any means.
3. This is the handiwork of Common Creator of Humans and Animals:
Subjugation of animal kingdom to humans is the plan and design of the Creator who
created both humans and animals. It was only because of His command that animals
surrender themselves to humans.
The way in which plant kingdom is made beneficial to humans, so is the animal
kingdom.
But how many humans realise this and give thanks to their Creator? Very Few, Very
Few Indeed…..
And they ask us to show the Creator….Have they not looked at the cattle!!?
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Q-6. Proof of Creator from Vegetable Kingdom
Ans.
A. My Kitchen Garden:
I have a small piece of open land in the ground floor apartment which my Employer
has provided for my residence in KSA.
I plant seasonable vegetables and some fruit trees in that land. Irrigation water,
discharge from captive Sewage Treatment Plant, brought thru lines is available near
my house. Fresh potable water is also available in the house..
Since our plant produces Potable water by desalting sea water, there is virtually no
shortage of water at any time during day and night, winter or summer , Thank God for
that.
This winter I planted many tomatoes plants which gave more than enough yield to
suffice my requirement as well as free distribution to my friends.
These tomato plants, made me to think, what was my real contribution in growing
those plants, and to whom should I really thank for the bumper yield.
Seed of tomato plant is very small, you first plant them in nursery, and pour water on
them regularly. In a few days, shoots come out and once they grow somewhat, plant
them in neat rows at distances of 30-45 Centimeters and leave the drip irrigation
system on.
No other chemical or natural fertilizers are needed, since the Irrigation water provides
all needed nourishment….when the plant matures…each plant provides 50 to 60 full
size tomatoes….each tomato has 200 to 300 seeds, that is multiplication factor of
10,000 to 18,000 for every seed planted!!
And what is my real contribution in this growth? Just planting the seed and giving it
water….is it enough contribution?
Can we claim any PROPERTY RIGHTS on the produce? Which business will give
to 10,000 to 18,000 times prophet in mere four months?
But most people would never think about this bliss from NATURE and eat tomatoes
and sell it and fight with others, as to why you plucked MY Tomatoes!!
Then the color scheme, unripe, semi ripe, ripe and over ripe tomatoes, all have
different colors, and firmness? Mere look and touch by hand shows the quality of
each tomato.
How could it all have developed by itself just thru RM and NS, without any proper
plan, design or purpose?
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I am unable to understand it, may be Super Brains on this BTOE thread can explain it
logically.
B. My fruit trees:
I have also planted some fruit trees, lemon, Date and my friend have planted Orange
and Mango trees.
For each of these trees we just planted one stone, or we got a small tree from nursery
and planted it, and watered it regularly for few initial months.
After one year or so the tree becomes big and does not need regular watering and after
a few years, can be left alone totally.
That is our contribution, now what about the results? After three or four years the
trees start giving fruits, every year until the end of their live, which could be 30 to 40
years or more.
Every year we gather close to 500 lemons from a single tree, and the number of
mangoes would be around 250 – 300. In case of dates, the numbers are more than
1000 !!
Now see the input and output, each seed of these trees produces from 7500 to 30000
fruits during its 30 years life!! What is the multiplication factor? Can any human
designed system give that much return?
What is our real contribution in getting all those fruits, which taste so different from
each others and give fruits every year at appointed times.
I am unable to understand the logic and am at a loss to explain it, again our super
brains of BTOE will try to convince me that it was all as a result of RM and NS over
millions of years!!
For me, my kitchen garden and my fruit trees, point to their Creator, His Power,
Knowledge and Mercy.. I did not design the tomato seed, or seeds of lemon, date
mango or orange…yet I eat all of them with equal relish and feel that I have harvested
it and I am the Creator of their outputs.
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Q.7 Sea Water Desalination, Human verses Creator
Ans.
Sea water Desalination and Transportation:
A. Human Designed Systems:
a. World’s Largest Desalination Plant:
1. I work in Jubail Power and Desalination Plant, Which is world’s largest. The plant
produces ~ 1,100,000 Cubic Meter of water daily, and more than 90 % of it is sent to
Riyadh, the capital city of KSA and 10 % of consumption in the city of Jubail and
surroundings.
2. Jubail - Riyadh distance is ~ 400 KM and 3 Pipelines of 60 Inch Dia are installed to
cover that distance. Total of 24 High Power pumps working, installed on 10 Pump
Stations, round the clock work in tandem pump the designated capacity. The pumps
are controlled thru a SCADA system that uses a copper cable that is buried beside
Water Pipe Lines.
3. For Fuel , plant uses Methane Gas, that is brought thru pipelines from the nearby
Oil and Gas Separation plant of ARAMCO….
4. Jubail plant is a dual purpose plane, it produces 1500 MW of Electricity using 16

Steam Turbines, It is linked with Electricity Grid of Saudi Electric Company.
The whole complex is one big technical wonder and a showpiece for KSA>
All that was the good and glossy part of the Scenario, now let us come to Inside story!
B. Operation Challenges:
1. Plant has close to 1000 Operations Staff working round the clock in shifts to ensure
smooth running of plant.
2. They have to watch carefully, every part of plant, problems start from Sea Water
Intake itself, It needs Chemical Dosing to kill bacteria and fungi, Anti Foaming
Chemicals, Anti Scale Chemicals….Fuel Gas for proper heat value, Boiler Feed water
for proper Chemistry, Desalinated Water for Conductivity, Turbines for vibrations
and Headers for smooth flow.
3. Any malfunction in any area causes shutdown and the problem has to be solved,
otherwise it would cause much damage.
4. Then there are environmental issues, Steam turbines work with efficiency of 30-35
%, so 300 % of the energy is really wasted. Plant stacks emit vast amount of CO2,
CO, Sulfur gasses and other harmful environmental gases.
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5. Even after all these precautions, we have corroded intakes, blocked tubes in Heat
Exchangers, Tube leaks in Super Heaters of Boilers, Corrosion in Water Headers and
damage in cement linings of Water Transmission Lines. And many more.
C. Maintenance Challenges:
1. Maintenance challenges are no less formidable than Operations, there is close to

500 Maintenance staff for plant and Transmission system, There is full schedule of
Preventive and corrective maintenance of all parts of the plant.
2. Systems are brought down for scheduled overhauling and unscheduled defective
maint. Spare parts for every system and subsystem have to be stocked and some times
ordered on urgent basis.
3. There is endless battle to ensure that Plant meets its operational requirement.
D. Modifications and Upgrades:
1. Since no human designed system is perfect and fool proof, Plant had to undergo
many small and big modifications over the years.
2. Many obsolete systems were upgraded and replaced with new ones and new ideas
were implemented to overcome design defects or enhance productivity and efficiency.
C. Operational Life of plant:
This is another aspect of the plant.
1. Plant was originally designed for 25 years of operational life, which period is more
than over and a heavy investment is made to extend the life of plant by another 15-20
years.
2. Much Money is spent during life extension projects, like:
- Concrete Structures and foundation of major equipment.

- Boiler Super heaters tube replacement,
- Replacement of copper nickel tubes in heat exchangers,
- Replacement of all Main Electrical Transformers.
- Replacement of Field Instruments and gauges,
- Replacement of Old Control Systems with new DCS,
- Replacement of Pipe line SCADA system using new Fiber Optic cable
And hundreds of similar projects.
3. Despite all this investments, there is always risk of some parts failing without
notice and jeopardizing the water supply to Capital City of KSA!!
The total ownership cost of Jubail plant in past 30 Years, with original investment,
Coast of Fuel, Salaries of Staff, Spare Parts and Consumables, Upgrade projects and
all would go into Multi Billion US Dollars.
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I am boring you with all these details to show, how costly and difficult is removing
salt from sea water and sending it to 400 KM away.
(Note: What I wrote about Jubail Water plant is more or less applicable for all Process
and Chemical plants and industrial establishments.)
E. Another System for Desalination and Transmission over large distances:
1. There is another much more efficient and better system that does the same job,
without any “Human headaches” and that is designed by NATURE.
2. Huge amount of Sea Water (thousands of time more than is done by Jubail Plant) is
taken up to sky, using evaporation a noiseless process that does not seem to require
any energy or efforts from humans.
2A. Evaporated water leaves all impurities behind and is purer than what Humans can
achieve at that scale. This process works in all part of world with same efficiency.
3. These vapors are taken up, collected, joined together and form rain laden clouds.
These clouds are transported from one place to another (spanning thousands of
Kilometers) by creation of High Pressure and Low pressure zones. Energy comes
from Heat source placed at millions of Kilometers away from earth, so as to save it
from harmful radiations.
4. Millions of tons of Water (in form of Clouds) are transported over long distances
and pour water over large areas of earth. The water meets need of Plant and Animal
Kingdom, we humans even do not even know their names, their numbers and how
much water is needed by each of them.
5. Rain water not only meets immediate need of every one, a portion of it is stored in
underground reservoirs, we do not even know their route and locations and the pure
water is available to all parts of world thru well, rivers and lakes.
6. Then this system does not require any maintenance, no upgrades and working in
perfect order and self repeating for millions of years. There is no record that the
process had to be changed at any time since it started.
As some one who is in Production and Transmission of Desalinated Water…..I can

see the work of Genius and how foolish is to compare our human efforts with that of
NATURE!!
And how can I believe that this NARURAL system, just came by itself, without any
design, plan or purpose behind it?
But I know there are many out there, who would say that this water cycle developed
by itself, just by passage of time.
Same people would even consider human systems much superior to that provided by
NATURE!.
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PS: So when out BTOE followers tell me that there is No Creator, and the whole
water cycle developed on its own, I see at Sea , then look at clouds and then look at
our Water Plant and the expenditures and headaches needed for its functioning, I
smile at BTOE fellows and I KNOW they DO NOT KNOW what they are taking
about!
Q.8 Aussie bite
I don’t know where you get your information but none of that is
right, atheists know there is no god, we are all the same, we believe
in reality and proof.
Scientists know how the universe and man were made and none of
it involved an invisible being.
They can create clones of animals and now they are saying they can
create life from bacteria as it was when time began.
There is a reason for everything and everything has a reason.
Its funny that your so called god never spoke to anybody or had
any of these prophets outside the middle east! Nobody else on the
rest of the planet ever had any word from him, before them and
after them.
As we know people that hear voices in their head or believe that

they hear god speaking to them, we know that as a mental illness
and there are lots of people in the middle east then as there is in
the world now
Ans.
A. Atheist and God:
I will not go to say that Atheist KNOW that there is no God, they only THINK and
they ASSUME that there is no God!!
There is difference between KNOWLEDGE and ASSUMPTION.
The very fact that this Universe did not exist at some particular time and then came
into existence per see prove that there has to has a Creator for it.
B. Have Scientists Created Life?
If scientist can crate clones of Animals, or can duplicate life from Bacteria (if their
claim be true) does not mean that they have really created anything!! They are just
copying and duplicating the procedure which has been done billions upon billions of
times in Nature by God.
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Scientists have not created life and they even do not KNOW what is life!!
C. Were prophets sent only to ME?
It is Biblical belief that prophets came only to ME. As per Islam, God sent prophet to
every nation and to every people and sent them guidance in their own language.
Since Bible is only about the history of Jewish people, so they have preserved only
the names of their prophets and not prophets which were sent to other people.
D. Were prophets hearing Voices?
There are people who hear voices in their heads and suffer with illness….that does not
mean that prophets of God were sick or were hearing voices in their heads. It is like
saying that since there are Quack Physicians and surgeons, so every Physician or
surgeon is Quack.
Or since there are so many disqualified Engineers and technicians out there, there is
no Real Engineer or Technician in the world.
Truth and falsehood of prophets is judged according to the message which they bring
to the world.
Q-9 who=Captcanuck
Actually my eyes are wide open as are the possibilities.

What would convince me of there being a God? How about him
showing up and giving us a little demonstration that would help.
Yes there are many different religions and theories about God and
his existence and i conclude that we don't really know but i do find
it unlikely.
Believing Islam has got it all figured out seems rather naive.
Muhammad's story of how he talked to the angel Gabriel and was
told he is the messenger of Allah is just that a story.
The way i see it you have been indoctrinated since your youth with
these tales just like a Roman was with his numerous God's before
him.
Ans.
If you see this Universe, all the laws in it and how beautifully it is controlled…..and
still are in doubt about existence of Creator.
How would you be convinced if He appears to you in person and begs you to believe
in Him?
You speak as if your belief in Him is going to do some favor to Him or will add to
His Position and Dominion!!
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You are in mortal danger of an everlasting punishment and chastisement if you do not
believe and organize your life according to His laws and commandments.
If our Prophet’s talking to an angel was a story….then he was not alone in that. There
were many prophets and messengers before him who talked to angels and angels
appeared to them with instructions.
Our prophet was in exalted community of Adam. Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Ishmael,
Jacob, Joseph, Moses, Aaron, David, Solomon, Jonah, Elijah, Elisa, ……John the
Baptist and Jesus Christ!!
May peace and Mercy of Allah be on to all of His Messengers and Prophets!!
PS: The proof for a Single Creator are many amongst them is the continuity of
Universe from one end to another. We receive signals from galaxies that are billions
of light years away, meaning the Universe is continuous.
Then the SAME physical laws are followed from smallest electron to the biggest
Galaxies, ensuring that same power is controlling everything.
Then every thing in this Universe is made from the same building blocks, meaning
that there could be a single Creator.
Then the Universe is existing and sun rises at the appointed time, for millions of years
and water cycle continues in the same way, year after year, shows that there is only a
Single Will working in this universe.
These are some of the points, the arguments in favor of single Creator are
innumerable in fact.
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Q.10 who="Pete-o"
1. I see a universe that is expanding that is in perfect alignment

with biology and cosmology. In line with the laws of science. No
god necessary.
2. It's perfectly logical to think that when you die it's over, there's
been no evidence for an afterlife no matter how much
retribution you'd like to take place.
People get punished on this Earth all the time.
3. I know my purpose because it is MY purpose, what some other

person purpose is irrelevant to me.
No I didn't DNA test my parents, I have no reason to, even if I did,
I would still consider them my parents. This has nothing to do
with the scientific evidence for the laws of the universe.
4. Actually there were billions of years before man evolved on the

planet….
Ans.
You say that “you see a expanding universe that is in perfect alignment with biology
and cosmology, in line with laws of science”, well WHO made those laws of Science
and Biology?
Did these laws created themselves? And how come a Universe is running and
expanding for 14 + Billion years….have WE made any systems that works
“Automatically” for such length?
Our “most reliable and fool proof” gadgets fail very soon, but we see no such failures
in the Universe, how come it came into being and is running without any supervision?
If your “Eyes” cannot see Him, it is your limitation and not His!!
2. It is very illogical to say that once you die it is all over….with the amount of
horrendous deeds some humans do … with the amount of power and authority they
have on earth, it is very very illogical and absurd to say and think that death is the end
of all.
2A. Yes ‘some” people get punished in this world and many more go unpunished. We
see so many cases of “Unsolved” murders, thefts, cheating and torture ….what about
those victims and perpetrators of those crime.
Then we see , so many cases where the innocent gets punished and the guilty goes
free…..
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The same happens with rewards, some one invents something, but another person
steals his plans and gets the patents, the original inventor gets nothing while the
usurper gets all the rewards and recognitions.
The justice system in the world is very imperfect….life of one US and Israeli soldier
is worth 10 or 100 of other nations. They vow to kill and they kill 10 or 100 of other
people for each of their people killed.
The army and police people of MOST nations go unpunished because the state
protects them.
It is very illogical to assume that all is forgiven once you die.
3. No you do not KNOW your purpose, you just ASSUME that you know. When
you do not even recognize your own Creator, how can you decide what is your
purpose.
4. Time is a factor for us, because we have limited life spans. For Creator, who has no
such limits, time is not at all a factor. If it has taken billions of years for this Universe
to come into its present form, it does not in no way negate the presence of Creator.
In fact it shows that these “Laws were Created Billions of Years before and have not
changed at all”!! The speed of light has not changed in so many billions years and the
Universe is continuous for all that length.
5. All religions came originally from God, and they taught the SAME thing. Basic
articles of faith were same in all religions.
The refinements what you say are needed because of changing needs of developing
human civilization….our religion has some flexibility to take care of these needs.
And remember as Einstein said “Science without religion is dumb and religion
without science is blind”.
We need to bridge the gap between the two groups of people….which was created
because of “Over Zealots” in both the groups.
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Q.11 Show us the Creator!!
Ans.
Seeing the Creator:
In the last episode, it was shown that what our BTOE fellows call as NATURE and
what they term as NATURAL Phenomenon and what they call as NATUTAL
Selection, are nothing but Creator and His actions and His will.
The signs of NATURE are so many and so widely distributed, that any one with even
a little thinking power, would not fail to recognize them.
And these signs are all pointing to one Creator only.
If there were many Creators, it is improbable that harmony within one branch of
creation and harmony between so many diverse systems could be achieved.
Today, we will see some more signs of this NATURE and His presence
1. Starting from sub Atomic Particles to Biggest Galaxies, same laws of Physics and
NATURE are applicable. I am not sure that any one of the Scientist believe or can
believe that these laws also “evolved” over time.
1A. Is it illogical to accept that these laws were “Made or conceived” before these
things came into being, or the laws came into existence “by chance” when they came
into being?
Another of Nature’s Sign!!
2. When we look at navigational stars, our BTOE stalwarts argue, that in billions upon
billions of stars, it is “possible” that “some starts” could have those synchronized
orbits with respect to earth. I say, yes it is possible, why all these stars should be
“visible with naked eyes” from this earth? Was it “By chance or by design”.
2A. If our ancestors were not guided by these stars, may be we would not have
progressed to the present level of science and development.
Here is another of Nature’s sign for us.
3. Now look at moon and its different phases, a “perpetual Calendar” in the sky. Was
it not possible for moon to shine with a single phase? Why NATURE made so many
phases for it? So that people in every age and in every place can use it for calculating
days and time.
3A. Today we tend to smile at people who use lunar calendar, forgetting that for
thousands of years that was the only thing available to humans.
Another sign of Nature’s mercy.
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We can keep on giving examples from this branch itself, till it becomes impossible for
a right thinking man to deny Creator.
Q.12 Is Science the “Ultimate Tool”?
Ans.
See the "thoughtful and Scholarly remarks" from these BTOE fellows on my latest
post!!
And they will say that "Science prepared us for it".
They say that Bacteria is the "Biggest threat" to human existence....Yes it is!!
And how much precautions our Creator has taken to protect us from these Bacteria?
Ask any Doctor about Human Immune system in our bodies. If it was not for that
system, we will never be alive even for a few days or weeks.
Who can say that he designed his immune system? So many bacteria are killed and
neutralized and we even do not know it!!
They say medicine cures the diseases, medicines only help the immune system, the
disease is killed by the body itself.
But most human are satisfied to know on
Q.13 who="Pete-o"
Of course religions are for humans, they created them. If a god was
truly omniscient, it would have the ability to spread it's message no
matter how advanced the civilization was.
The existence of regional religions before worldwide travel is not
evidence for an existence of a deity, but a proof that they a man
made.
Ans.
In a way you are right, all the religions which “Humans Created” they differ from
each other.
But the religion which “God sent thru His messengers” has always remained the
same.
That is why; you will find the names by which “religions” go today like Judaism,
Christianity, Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism …. Etc….these names are given by
humans themselves.
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The name which God gave to His messengers thru out ages was “Islam” which is
Arabic means, submitting or surrendering yourselves to His will…..
So the name of religions which People gave themselves are based on region or race
(Like Judaism or Hinduism) or personality (Like Christianity, Buddhism and Jainism
etc)….so these are not God giving names.
Quran tells that that “(Only) Religion (acceptable) in the eyes of God is Islam and any
one who brings another religion in the hereafter, it shall not be acceptable and he or
she shall be amongst the loosers”.
Q.15 Proof of Creator from Nature
So which Creator is the right one and how do you know? If science
doesn't have knowledge in certain fields, it doe snot mean someday
it won't, if it exists.
Science has all kinds of knowledge as to why the Earth has

earthquakes, rotates, why the sun burns bright and millions of other
"whys" answered that religion tried to suppress. Science is
concerned with what can be falsified, religion can not be falsified, so
by definition, is not science.
Judgment is present in many religions because the world was

unknown thousands of years ago and gave comfort to archaic
people of the time. Reason leads us to ask why does every religion
"know" it is the one true religion?
Ans.
Your post was short, but it raised many fundamental issues. So I have answered them
all, in some detail:
A: How many Creators?
There is only One Creator in the Universe. There are not so many Creators that any
one can get confused!!
B. Does Science answers Why?
You are wrong, science does not answer Why earthquakes occur, Why earth rotates,
Why the sub burns….it only tells HOW and not WHY!!
Science only deals with material world and material things. The things which are not
Materialistic are beyond the scope of science. And it will be ignorance to say or
believe that there is nothing outside materialistic world!!
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How science can judge, which is a better painting or which of the two song s is better
and which of the two poems is better and which of the two movies is better? Are
these issues under purview of science?
Can science answer, What is the purpose of Human Life? Can science answer, what
happens to humans when they die?
C: Falsifying test:
I do not know about other religions, but in Islam we are given a FALSIFYING TEST
to prove that Islam is wrong. Humans are challenged to bring a book like Quran and
let them help each other in this task. So far no one has taken this challenge.
D. Human accountability for old times?
The reason for humans to be accountable for their deeds is as valid today as it was
5000 or 10000 years ago. We have not learned anything in our modern age that can
PROVE that this concept is wrong.
Concept of humans should and must be made accountable for his actions is much
more valid in our modern times than it was in those old days. Now man has become
more powerful to kill millions of other humans, which was not even thinkable in those
old and barbaric days.
E. Why Islam thinks it is TRUE?
I do not know about other religions as to why they think they are true, but we know
about Islam, because we have REVELATION from Creator Himself, telling us that
Islam is true.
Q-16 who="Joel"
Please keep in mind that Allah cannot create the universe from
nothing. And if you still believe in creation from nothing then the
onus is on you to explain how this is possible. The correct word to
use is "manifestation".
PS:
Swami or Baba Ramdev is a fake. He's just into yogic poses or

asanas. He's not a transcendentalist based on Yogic experience and
realizations. Ramdev will be eliminated in the coming destruction of
evil.
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Ans.
If you had sense, you would realize that “Creation is ALWAYS getting into being
some thing from nothing””.
Rest all is Transformation and not Creation.
Otherwise, question will be asked who was the Creator of that material and how it
came into being…..it would ultimately end is observing as if the Basic Materials
were always present or they created themselves. Both these hypothesis are wrong
logically and scientifically.
Your Yoga is very imperfect to understand Allah and His attributes. Your Yoga
needs to be updated and not the Power and Wisdom and other attributes of Allah.
PS:
What you said about Swami Ramdev…could exactly be duplicated by him about you.
In my view, both of you are fakes….because you have no Real Base for your
thoughts and beliefs.
In these matters you need Divine guidance and revelation and not just your mental
powers and meditation.
This is the basic flaw between Revealed religions and “religions of love and
brotherhood that are mushrooming in India and elsewhere like frogs in rainy
season”.
All of these “super gurus and yogis preach love and simplicity to others while they
live in Air Conditioned Ashrams and enjoy every other worldly pleasure and their
simpleton followers in millions think that their Guru and Rishi are emblem of simple
living and high thinking!
Q.17 Difference between Human and other Species
Ans.
Considering that Humans are the only specie on this planet....who have to choose
between right and wrong!!
No other specie has that choice. Their only job is to survive. eat and reproduce .....
Humans are special.....humans kill and torture fellow humans for "kicks".
The Bully among them want to "Lord over" the less strong.....the commit heinous
crimes and show extreme cruelty to their own fellows and other species, which no
other specie shows.
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So if humans are not a "blunder" of nature.....then they must have a special treatment.
Humans are not a "blunder" of nature is proven by you BTOE fellows tracing their
genealogy to that "common ancestor"!!
It was no "accident" or "Random mutation" that resulted in humans!!
So it is natural that some one with extraordinary power and skill should have special
checks also.
If humans can get away with both good and bad deeds, the victims and the oppressors
are made as equal....it will not work.
As nothing in the world will work, if you give same rights and duties and treat them
equally:
1. Workers who work hard and those who idle away are given same salary.
2. Tax payers and Tax evaders get the same treatment and same rights.
3. The teacher gives same marks to those who do their papers good and those who do
not write at all.
4. The judge pardons the killers and robbers and thieves and places them in the same
category as law abiding citizen.
5. Traffic cops pardon every driver irrespective of how fast he was giving or how
many rules he broke.
Any nation or society working on these "principles of Equality" will always

fail.....then why it is only nature that does not care about what humans do on this
earth?
It is not logical, it is not reasonable and it is not correct.
You get paid by what you do......this looks logical, just and reasonable.
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Q.18 Life after death, what is proof?
Ans.
If you cannot GUARANTEE that there is no after life....then you are CERTAINLY
GUARANTEEING that all that Injustice being done in the world has no value.
The strong could treat the weak in any way he likes and if there is no punishment in
this world....he does not have to worry.
The people and whose names I mentioned and there are thousands more who were
honored and respected by their people despite all the crimes they did? Their photos
and statues are still worshipped and revered after many centuries!!
The only conclusion is that good ness and evil ness simple does not exist and there is
no difference one way or the other which ever path you choose.
This is a totally wrong concept of life after seeing the power and positions humans
have on this earth.
You cannot be non committal and play neutral on such an important issue.....you
cannot shrug of its importance by saying I am too busy in Analyzing this tooth and
this bone and this jaw bone.....when I will get free time, I will think about it.
If some one took care for making so many "coincidences" that human life should be
sustainable on this earth.....how come he overlooked such an important issue.
The only logical solution for this is that this life is a test and its results shall be shown
when our test period is over.
That is why is confirmed by the revelation from Creator
And
By the way, the word of one man backed by the Creator of Universe is more powerful
and more true than the word of Billions of people, who speak only from their own
assumptions and have no information at all!!
Can some one GUARANTEE that there is no after life…
Can some one GUARANTEE that it is immaterial whatever thing do on this earth, it
is really immaterial when we die.
Can some one GUARANTEE that Hitler and his 6 Million Jews ended the same way
and the chapter is closed to them one way or the other for ever?
Can some one GUARANTEE that those who hijacked those planes and ram then into
WTC towers and the other passengers who were in those planes and those who died in
WTC towers....had the same fate and it is the end of matters for all of them.
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Can some one GUARANTEE that Saddam Hussein was given the punishment that he
deserved when he was hanged and the justice for millions of those who he killed was
achieved.
Can some one GUARANTEE that by Sending GWB s the Great , Dick Cheney s and
Ramsfield s and Tony Blair s into Honorable Retirement cleaned the slates of their
misdeeds and lost of hundreds of thousands of lives and trillions of dollars wasted on
illegal wars...
Then I will say that these people have a very shallow knowledge of this Universe and
things going on here!!
On one hand, our finger prints, our hairs and every personality details are carefully
known, so that we can be individually traced in a million way....
And on the other hand, there is no records of what we do or do not do.....how many
people we kill....how many we maim.....how much we torture conquered races.....all
that ends when we die!!
There is something missing in this picture....this is not a complete picture.....not

complete by any standard.
Unless of course you are a BTOE followers!!
Then lives of every BTOE believer is not spent in luxury and carefree way.
There are many BTOE believers who are jobless, homeless, sick people suffering
from many diseases.....there are many who spend their whole life or most of life in
analyzing info hidden in a bone or a teeth......is that life worth rewarding and have
they reached their Nirvana ?
The lives of many religious people is spent in a peaceful way. By regulating their
lives, they live in an inner peace.
Many of religious people enjoy, good health, luxuries of life and enjoy all permitted
entertainments.
Q.19 Life after death, some pointers
Ans.
Some points to ponder for BTOE fellows:
Many times I have been “Told” that there is no Evidence or Proof that there is Life
after we die. Some people have compared it to Scottish Lottery and some thing else.
In fact people are generally having “fun” at my expense and using me as “Punching
Bag” or “Questioning Bag”.
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They feel snug that Science has provided them with evidence or proof that there will
be nothing after we die.
Death will be the end of matter for us…. And even if there is going to be some life
and we will be presented before our “presumed” Creator…..we will put “Him in His
place”!! We will turn the table of Him by asking:
A. Why He did not appear to us in PERSON and Told us Clearly that He is our
Creator and that He will Question us after we die?
B. Why did He kept, His angels and other forces controlling the Universe, hidden
from us and our Scientific Instruments, so we could never verify or confirm their
existence.
C. Why He did not held our hands when we were doing wrong things and prevented
us from going astray?
So the blame is on Him and not on us for what WE Did on this earth? It is HE and
His agents that need punishment and not US!!
A beautiful logic indeed…..provided we will be able to speak in front of our Creator

and pull wool over His eyes…..the one Who Sees and is aware of our deepest hidden
thoughts and motives.
Now let us see, are there any tell tale signs for Humans in this Universe that he is not
here to idle away his life or think that he is not responsible to any higher authority:
1. Is there any thing like Humans on this earth?
There are millions of living forms on this earth, Is human any thing like them? On
Physical, on intellectual level, on reasoning level, is there any specie that can be even
remotely compared with humans?
Of every other specie, there are many that are closer to them in every respect, except
humans. There is no comparison at all. Closest to humans are the apes and monkeys
and chimpanzees and Gorillas, but except some crude physical resemblance, there is
no comparison at all.
The purpose of all other life forms is just to survive…..but in case of humans, survival
is not the main issue.
Humans have an inbuilt desire to know about unknown….the inbuilt thirst to know
more and more and to pass on this knowledge to their future generations. This quality
of passing on acquired knowledge from one to next generation is what has made
humans special.
How come this inbuilt thirst to know more and pass it one to our generations
originated? Is there any answer for that?
2. Is there any thing like humans in the known Universe?
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There are many speculations about that, but till date there is no conclusive proof one
way or the other.
One thing is certain, there is no human like creature in our known Universe and even
if there is, we have no interactions with each other. We are too far separated in
physical space to interfere with each other or pose any threat or danger to each other.
3. Is human dominion on Earth Absolute?
Even though humans are not biggest or strongest of all living forms on this earth,
there is no living form on this earth, that can pose any threat to humans dominion over
them.
There is no specie who was ever threat to human existence (forget about Jurassic Park
sort of films), while humans have power to do with these life forms what they want.
There is not the slightest resistance from them for this human massacre.
Why these life forms do not unite and try to finish off humans from this earth? What
has prevented them from doing so, even if they are already a very developed life
forms, some existing many millions years before humans “evolved” and overtook
them!!
4. Is human different from treating other humans than the other specie?
We know many specie will kill other specie and use them as foods. But humans are
very special in this case.
They kill many species not for food but for other uses. How they behave with their
own specie is all the more strange.
They kill other humans and they do not eat them!! They kill them and they torture
them (as no other specie does to its prey) and lord over them in a very strange way.
No other specie does that to its own and others.
Humans try and keep on trying ever newer and newer ways to “do down” their
opponents and take over their lands, possessions and treasures.
5. How can there be Power without responsibilities:
It is very illogical to presume that humans have achieved all this power and dominion
just because of a Random Evolution process.
Humans do many things not because of their nature or inbuilt programming. They
devise and they plan and they work out “theories and arguments” themselves and
based on that make wars and kill thousands and do all sorts of atrocities to other
humans and other living species on this earth.
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It is not correct or logical that all these acts of commission or omissions will have no
consequence and when any one dies, the whole matter will end and his slate will be
clean as ever.
Based on one wrong theory and one wrong hypothesis , lives of millions of humans
are affected and for many generations. How come the perpetrator of this mistake be
left Scot free and face no consequences of his mistakes.
6. Present world does not work according to Rights and Wrongs:
This is another major thing which wants us to reflect. Many honest and upright
people suffer their whole life and they are always at the receiving end.
While many cheats, dishonest and smart people…pull wool over eyes of thousands
and rise to powerful positions. They misuse this position and play havoc with the
lives of millions of humans.
How illogical is to say that in the end, both of these people will become dust and there
is no difference one way or the other.
Why should any way then stand as truthful, honest and upright person? Why should
one help one who is poor or is in need?
7. Need for a balanced approach:
There are many such questions and observations which turn our minds towards the
fact that there has to be more to human life than this BTOE or BDDTOE wants us to
believe in.
There is something missing in the picture….and that is too much reliance on Science
and hope or Wish that Science will provide solution to every question!!
No it will not, because scope of science is limited.
We have to use our reasoning and logical powers (and guidance , if any that came
from our Creator) to have a complete picture.
That is what I am doing to the people on this Thread for many months.
Q.20 Life, what is important and what is not.
Ans.
There is a story, I read, many years before, and I would like to share (with slight
modifications, of course).
There was a convention of “Professors” in a city, Professors of every field had

gathered to attend that convention. Convention Site was on the other side of a big,
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river and these Professors had to cross that big river in a boat arranged by the
organizers.
The boatman was a simple guy; he welcomed all these “Professors” into his boat with
humility and expressed his thanks and gratitude that so many learned men were
sharing his boat.
The “Professors” started discussing matters (in jargon language, as is their practice)
amongst themselves for a while.
Then their eyes turned to the simple boatman, who was busy in his task, rowing the
boat skillfully in the turbulent river. They wanted to have some “fun” at his cost.
“O Boatman!” started the Mathematics Professor “Do you know about Math and
Binomial Theorem”?
“No sir! I do not know any thing about Math”.
“You have wasted one tenth or 10 % of your life, if you do not know about math” said
the Professor and all his colleagues stated laughing at the “pun”.
“O Boatman!” said the Physics Professor “Do you know anything about Physics and
its laws”?
“No Sir!” replied the boatman.
“See, he does not know about Physics, he even does not know that it is Archimedes
Principle which keeps his boat afloat.. Is it not the waste of life? All Professors
giggled.
“O Boatman!” said the Chemistry Professor “What about Chemistry, surely you must
know some thing about Water Chemistry in which you ply the boat”?
“No Sir!” I did not learn any Chemistry” said the Boatman.
“What a droll” Said the Professor to other Professors “how dull and useless is life
when one knows nothing about Chemistry”.
Professors of Philosophy, Psychology, Sociology, Geology, Evolution all had a go at

the cost of poor Boatman.
Professor on Evolution was very candid “If he does not know from who his ancestors
are, his life is useless and misspent, How pitiable is life if one cannot distinguish even
between Pre Cambrian and Post Cambrian fossils”? All other Professors Nodded.
The Boatman was listening to all this, unable to give any answer to them, he was busy
in rowing the boat. When the boat reached the Middle of River, the turbulent river
started to shake it and turn it over, there was a violent bump.
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“Boatman!” Cried all the Professors jointly “Be Careful! what are you doing?, The
boat was about to overturn”
“What it matters to you learned men? Surely all of you know how to swim?” said the
Boatman.
“None of us Professors know how to swim” said all of them.
“What! You told me repeatedly that my life is worthless…” said the boatman, “But if
you do not know swimming, your life is going to end, because the BOAT IS GOING
TO SINK”
And with that the boatman jumped into the water and the boat overturned and went
into the bottom along with “all the Professors”; who had spent their lives in all those
beauties and small matters of life, but forgot to learn the Basic skills that are needed
for survival.
Similar is the case with me and these BTOE fellows. Each of them makes fun and
scowls at me from different angles, each “confirming” that my life is full with
darkness and not worth living.
Yet we all are in the same boat of life and it IS GOINGTO TURN OVER, these
BTOE Experts do not know (neither care to know):
1. Why they came on this earth?
2. What is the purpose of life?
3. What will happen when they die?
These are basics needed for survival and success in the boat of life. Other fields are
important no doubt, but AFTER you have learned the Basics of Survival.
This is the message of Islam. Learn about purpose of your life, prepare for it and
THEN do research and experiments in whatever field you want.
Q.21 who=Chimney
Yes, some are pushed to plain rudeness, to counter your more

devious rudeness. Because, actually, you are far ruder, in terms of
actual debate.
You make unsubstantiated points and simply ignore the objections.

Time after time. You ignore any argument originating from another,
and the best you can manage is "see what these BTOE people
believe!!" without explaining why you think it is absurd (because
you cannot). Or, "see these BTOE people, thinking about trivial
things like bones in the ground".
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Yes, bones in the ground. They are there, and they need a sound
explanation. Just as retro-viral insertions are in genes, and they
need a sound explanation. As do atavistic structures, vestigial
structures, ubiquitous protein differences and similarities....all these
"trivia" won hard from the world around us, added together,
support one explanation, and that is the "blind" theory of
evolution….
I could throw Darwinism over tomorrow if a better explanation

came along. You do not even understand that - I am not enslaved
to this opinion, I am not married to it. Only convinced by evidence
and reason that it is the best explanation we have.
This is a kind of thinking you clearly cannot even understand in its

elements let alone its conclusions.
Ans.
Our BTOE stalwarts are pretending that I am obstinately denying all scientific
evidence that prove beyond doubt truth of BTOE.
My correspondents on this thread are real sufferers who tried every reasonable
approach to prove their BTOE.
They forget that it is now more than two years, since we are discussing this subject
and we have tried every type of arguments to convince each other.
I have pointed out grave defects in this BTOE theory, but no one gave me any
reasonable or logical answer, only saying that we do not know every thing and we do
not have proof, but time will provide the proof in the end.
I once again put summary of my arguments against this BTOE, may be this time I will
get a reasonable and logical answer:
A. Nothing can come into existence with out a Creator:
1. This is such a straight forward thing, that even a small child can understand it. I do
not know how our BTOE super brains miss it.
2. If we see any thing on this earth, we immediately assume that some one must have
created it.
3. How come this entire Universe and every thing in it, just came into existence by
itself.
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4. Our BTOE stalwarts say that for inanimate objects, we need a maker, but animate
objects do not need a maker, because they “self regenerate”. But how this “self
regenerating” property started starting with “Lifeless matter”?
B. Nothing can come into existence with Randomness:
1. This is also a very simple and straight forward thing. By random hitting we cannot
create s single paper pin, forget about complicated machines.
2. But these BTOE fellows would like us to believe that this Universe and life forms
and every thing came by random combinations and lucky coincidence.
3. I have proven mathematically, that it is impossible even for a single deck of cards
to arrange itself in ascending or descending order by random shuffling.
4. Compared to that any Protein or DNA molecule being formed by random

combination is more than impossible, any one who thinks it is possible should see a
medical doctor.
C. No one creates any thing without purpose:
1. This is also such a straightforward thing that it does not need any argument. No
one wastes his time in creating anything which does not have a purpose.
2. But if we believe these BTOE super brains, there is no purpose behind creation of
this Universe and every thing in it.
D. BTOE does not explain origin of life:
1. Whatever claims these BTOE stalwarts make, they are not able to explain how life
originated.
2. To get rid of this problem, they say that we do not deal with origin of life, we only
deal with its evaluation. This is absurd logic, if you do not know, how life originated,
how can you explain its evaluation?
3. The procedure by which life was created will also explain its evaluation.
E. There is no Complete Evaluation data for even a single specie from one to
another.
1. Despite their claims and their access to billions of Fossils, there in not one
complete Evaluation tree of a single specie from one to another.
2. When such is the case for lower animal specie, what can we say about man.
3. There is not one complete fossil for any of the “creative artists’ imaginations” that
we see in BTOE magazines. They have very least amount of data to create their
skyscraper of BTOE explaining Common Ancestor for man and apes.
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F. Human are a special creature in entire Known Universe:
1. This is also evident to any one who has studied human life.
2. Mental capabilities of humans are not comparable to any other living or known
creature in our know Universe.
3. It is not possible for man to achieve all these qualities by this process of Random
Mutation.
4. How come human life has no purpose, other than eating, drinking and
reproduction?
In all this logic above, I have not used a single Quotation from Quran or saying of our
prophet. I have only spoken about simple common sense logic.
In the past I did not get any answers to these queries and I am sure, no one will
provide this time also.
That is why, I stopped communicating directly with these fellows, to save personal;
bitterness.
I post general comments on subjects which in my view are important. This is a free
thread and every one has right to express his or her views.
But these BTOE fellows would like to shut me down by their “ganging up” approach.
So many before me, gave up and vanished from this thread.
Q-22 Pete-O
I do good deeds in my everyday life, not for an eternal reward, but

because it is the right thing to do, not because I want to please a
mythical being bent on making me suffer if I don't.
I do it for the humanity of it, because it is the moral thing to do.
Your quote, "Nothing which you think or do, shall change God’
plans!!", blows apart your whole argument of a moral god. If you
can't change god's plans then he had a plan for that child molester
to molest that child, and a plan for that child to be molested. A god
with truly little moral value.
Ans.
You may do good for no gain or fear, it is very well, but suppose some body does not
want to do good and want to do evil with the people, is it also OK?
Without any test or responsibility for one’s action, there is no justification for any
morality. People would do as they wish without any restraint on their actions.
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Morality as per Islam is not your “choice” it is your “duty”.
What plan I was talking about was freedom given to humans and the day of
accountability….it is not going to change as per your own wish.
So the best course would be to take heed of that last day and start making
preparations!!
If you have any question about God’s morals….you can sort out the matters when you
see Him face to face!!
Q.23 Logical and illogical approach
Ans.
Now these BTOE stalwarts are going full guns on me saying that I am unreasonable
and illogical.
1. I went step by step, asking our BTOE fellows, is it reasonable that every man
should be held accountable for his good deeds or not. The decision was unanimous
that yes, every man SHOULD be made accountable for his actions, good or evil. He
SHOULD be punished for his evil actions and SHOULD be rewarded for his good
deeds. This is straightforward and even BTOE fellows could not deny it!!
2. Then I went one step further and asked, how we could do it in this life? It was here
that our BTOE fellows started feeling that something is fishy…..they went for circular
answers. It is best if we could do it, but life is not fair…..you see we SHOULD have
better system, We SHOULD have better monitoring mechanism ….we do our best,
but you see it is an imperfect world after all.
3. Then I went one step further and said that we CANNOT punish or reward any
crimes or good deeds done by people in this world. There is no HUMAN system
which can measure and judge the exact effects and consequential affects of most
human acts of commission or omission.
4. I mentioned that any HUMAN DESIGNED system cannot be fool proof, because
the people at high positions will always misuse it and they will dupe others to defend
them rather than punish them. I mentioned many examples.
5. I asked our BTOE fellows, is it logical that those plane Hijackers and those
innocent people who died in WTC collapse, should meet the same end. Both of them
died and is that the end of matter? If we consider death as close of every chapter, it
would be a very illogical world.
How come in this universe where there is law for every thing, why there should not be
any law to really punish or reward every human for what he does?
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These were the questions about which no BTOE Follower could give honest answer,
they just ducked the issue and as usual started abusing me and my intelligence and
that I am forcing my religion on them!!
In all this there was no mention of any religious beliefs. Just pure logical discussion.
6. I then asked our BTOE fellows to suggest any fool proof scheme where this justice
could be achieved in practice….despite repeated asking they could come up with
none. Whatever they came up was faulty and had many SHOULD, COULD, MAY
BE words, meaning they are not sure about it themselves.
7. It was then I told that the only way, we can bring every man to 100 %
accountability is after he is dead, because all his pretensions are gone and he is in the
grave as a single human being, no army to protect him, no Patriotism to defend our
Leaders at any cost.
Since the actions of humans are linked with past, present and future generation, the
best time would be when the World ends, so that EVERY Human can now be paid his
due.
There are no logical or reasonable arguments, against this theory and it is free from all
imperfections.
8. But every good sounding and reasonable theory may not be TRUE, it needs proofs.
9. Then I told that in these matters, we cannot have physical proofs, the proof must
come from the Creator in His revelation to the mankind. And we have that proof.
Despite all this step by step method, these BTOE stalwarts JUDGE me as illogical,
unreasonable and prankster!!
10. That is why I showed them, that their mental level is the same as that of Pagan
Makkan people who denied the message of our prophet 1400 years ago, and I
presented them with the proof!!
And yet they ask me , why I am so dishonest!!
Q.24 Test of life
Ans.
There is an interesting story about a boy of sixth standard, who appeared for his
examination in the paper of Mathematics.
When he came home after exams, his mother asked, how he did in Math paper.
“Excellent”, the boy replied!! “I wrote about Shakespeare, About Milton, About our
city, our state and our country, if fact I did not leave any topic about which I did not
write.”
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“I filled so many answer sheets and keep on demanding one after the other, that every
one in the examination hall was surprised.”
“But Son” The Mother interjected “The paper was about Math, how many Math
questions you solved, you are telling that you wrote about every other subject but
Math”
“The fact is” boy replied “I did not study Math at all, so I did not know answer of any
Math question, but I filled my answer sheet with so much other knowledge that I
acquired”
“Don’t you think” the boy asked mother “The examiner will be impressed about my
knowledge and will mark me excellent in Math Paper?”
I think every one knows what answer Mother shall give and how shall the boy will
fare in Math Paper.
The same is the question with our life and BTOE fellows. We are in the examination
hall of life and we are each gathering our knowledge in various fields.
Some of them are ESSENTIAL for our success and there are others that are
DESIRABLE and there are some which are USELESS.
When, in the hereafter Question will be asked, “ did they recognize their Creator?”
our BTOE fellows will start speaking about that “First Self Regenerator and how
came about all of a Sudden!!”.
When they will be asked about “how did they lead their lives?” , they will start
speaking about “Random Mutations and Natural Selections and how much times they
spent on verifying that these were Really Random and lodge a complaint, that their
life span should have been more so they could see , How NS really works”.
When they will be asked “did they follow their prophets?” , they will start speaking
about “Lucy and our Common Ancestors and how much time they consumed, leaving
none of LESS IMPORTAN activities” !!
In short they will have LOTS and LOTS to say about every thing, except the BASIC
Questions which they are supposed to answer.
Can any one guess, how these people will fare in the test of Hereafter?
Lucky winners will get a “Thank you note, personally signed by me”!!
Lucky loosers will get “My photograph, personally signed by me”!!
Q.25 End of Humanity, when?
Ans.
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The world is going to end, that is fact and every human shall be called to give his or
her account to their Creator is also a fact.
But no one really knows when that Time will come....this knowledge is only with the
Creator.
However there are some clear signs mentioned in scripture for nearness of that hour.
Some signs are minor and some signs are major.
One of the major sign for nearness of the Hour is second coming of Jesus. No one
really knows that when Jesus will come back to earth for a second time.
As per our scripture, second coming of Jesus is linked with the appearance of Anti
Christ...and the major job of jesus in his second coming will be to slay the Anti
Christ.
Now all these people who are predicting doomsday on such and such date and such
and such day, or predicting second coming of Jesus on a particular day or date are
speaking from hearsay and have no real knowledge.
I hope that this menace shall end and these people should be held publicly responsible
if their predictions are wrong again and again and again
Q.26. who="J Thorn"]
01. One day Humans will finally realize we don't need religion or
imaginary gods to tell us how to live our lives.
Humans invented common sense and know how to be civilized

without made up religious lies.
02. The world will become a better place when religion is recognized
for the myth it really is and humans just get on with living in reality.
03. I'll find out what happens after death when I die and I will
never fear because off false guilt put on me by religious lies!
04. There is a universe out there to be explored yet so many of us

are too busy wasting our time speculating about gods and what will
happen to us when we leave this place or just closing their minds
and blindly following unproven religious beliefs!
Ans.
01. If such a day arises when all humans decide that there is no religion (I doubt that
any such day will ever come), that will be the blackest day for entire humanity.
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Because on that day, they will declare that there is no difference between them and
animals and they have no purpose of life other than to live, eat, procreate and die like
animals.
Humans did not invent common sense, it is a gift from their Creator and that common
sense demands that there be a Creator for every thing and every thing should have a
purpose.
A purpose less life, with out any responsibility is against common sense.
02. Without any religion to restrain them, the world would become a jungle, where
the powerful would just eat poor for breakfast.
We have seen what happened to those Communist countries when they shun religion
from their society….they became the worst beast on land, torturing and killing every
one and anyone opposed to their rule.
03. That is the sad part really, you will INDEED find out what happens after death
when you die!!
But that will be payback time and not time to DO ANYTHING. The real time is now
to prepare for when you die. If you reject your Creator….you will be filled with all
the guilt and curse yourself for the lack of “Your Commonsense” as to how stupid
you have been and mislead by Satan.
04. Yes there is a Universe out there to explore and every thing in the Universe points
to its Creator….the Uniformity of law thru out Universe shows that there is Only One
Creator for every thing.
This Universe and its observation are the BEST Tool to find out power, Mercy,
Knowledge and Wisdom of our Creator….but you should look at Universe with
unbiased eyes and with that “Common sense”!!
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Chapter-2
(On Christianity and related subjects)
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Q.27 Think
What has to recognized by muslims is that Paul takes no credit of

himself as having knowledge of GOD , but he gives all the credit
and glory of his revelation of knowing GOD'S word to GOD. Paul
proved that he truly believed his revelation came from GOD and
gave up his life out of his love for GOD'S truth.
Ans.
It does not matter what Paul truly believed or not, or what were his teachings. The
basic question is of authority.
In theological concept, a prophet has the highest authority in any matter. Because it is
the prophet who receives direct revelation from God and no one else.
Prophet hood is not a position that any one can achieve by his own efforts or by going
higher and higher in religious knowledge.
Jesus came as a prophet of God with his own authority. He spoke with the authority
given to him by God. That is why whatever he said or taught has to be accepted by
every one who believe in Jesus.
Jesus selected his 12 disciples (and 70 more) and taught him the meaning of his
teachings and details and interpretation of his sermons. So these disciples as
“personally trained by Jesus” hold a special position …. Whatever they speak in the
name of jesus has much higher weight than any one else.
The case of Paul is very special….he never met Jesus, he never learned anything from
jesus while he was alive…..then all of a sudden he comes and says that Jesus
appeared to me in a vision and told me such and such and made me an “apostle to
Gentiles”?
This is a self claimed apostleship and self claimed authority….what is the proof that
Paul was speaking the truth? Have not so many people appeared on the scene with
strange logics before and after Paul?
The only test for Paul’s teachings is if they match with the teachings of Jesus’ own
teachings. When any one tries to compare that, he will see that they are not same.
Paul is preaching his own theory on his own self claimed authority.
That is why, I say, first you decide what authority Paul really holds. If you call him a
Prophet of God, I have no objection……then you call yourself followers of Paul and
not followers of Jesus. Because you cannot be the followers of both at the same
time!!
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Q. 28 who="Ali"]
bmz, MUQ: you guys at it again??? You keep on making the Bible to
be in error and the Qur'an so perfect!!!
I've said this to you and your cronies again and again, and you
cannot defend your comments.
1. If the Bible is in error, please show us the original so we can
compare and become corrected! You cannot because all you have is
hear-say from your Muslim Propaganda and Lies Department.
….
Inshallah you will call on Isa and be saved from the fires of
Judgment Day.
Ans.
Your post is based on multiple errors and presumptions. I will try to clarify some of
them:
1. We do not MAKE Bible in errors, we only point out what are Errors in the Bible.
Since it was translated and edited and corrupted by men, many errors and mistakes
have creped into it and some of them we point out. Quran on the other hand is
preserved in its original and pristine condition, so it is free from these errors.
2. It is not for US to show you the originals of Biblical books, it is YOUR duty to
show us, that “See, this is handwriting of Moses and he wrote such and such”
3. There is no Jesus’ grave at all, because he has not yet died, God took him alive to
heavens…..our prophet is dead and buried in Madina, that does not give any
superiority of Jesus over our prophet. It is God which bestows different favors over
different prophets.
4. There were no “Variants” of Quran at all. In beginning it was allowed to recite

Quran in different tribal dialect of Arabia….when Islam spread to different Non Arab
parts of the world, there was a possibility of conflict…so Othman the Third Caliph,
got Zaid to publish and copy Quran in the dialect of Quraish, the tribe and clan in
which prophet was born.
5. Superiority of prophet hood does not mean that a man should live like a hermit and
do not marry woman or have children….Superiority comes from the Mission which
God give to them, Jesus was sent only for Lost sheep for house of Israel…our prophet
for whole world….Jesus was to give “Good News” of approaching kingdom of God
and our prophet was “To establish Kingdom of God on earth”
Why only Muslim women, your Paul tells woman to cover her heads and dress
modestly and every prophet gives the same advise to women.
6. Why God asks men to do His job, you should ask this question from Moses,
Joshua, David and all other prophets of Bible!! It is affairs of men on this world and
God tests men thru other men.
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7. No one has seen Allah, even Bible confirms this, so why you only accuse Muslims?
Allah sends his revelation to humans only thru Angels, so our prophet receiving thru
that channel is no disgrace and nothing new.
8. Every one will be saved on Judgment Day, by the Mercy of God, which comes thru
believing the Messengers and Prophets of God and trying your best to follow their
teachings.
Mere empty wishes and false hopes do not matter much.
Q.29 Hello again MUQ,
When we look at the 66 books of the Bible, and see at first glance a
contradiction, we need to search the scriptures to harmonize.
You said you new of many apparent contradictions, it will be a great

exercise for you or anyone to present these verses, and their are
several people on this site and myself who would gladly help to
Biblically sort them out.
Sincerely,
James
This reminds me of a situation involving multiple reports from

multiple sources concerning one event. On the surface, it may
sound like many different events. However, after careful study, the
truth can be determined using information from all of the reports.
"It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is
to search out a matter." Prov 25:2
Ans.
If any book is ‘Word of God”, it has to be free from errors and mistakes and
contradiction….unless of course you want to put all these shortcomings to God ….. or
as you have put “God playing with humans to search and harmonize His Words”!!
When none of the books or their writers themselves claim that these books are Word
of God from end to end, why should our preachers, priests, Popes and Bible thumpers
go out of their way to give them certificate of “Being Words of God from beginning
to the end”.
If the contradictions and the mistakes are due to multiple reports from multiple
people….then it proves my case that these books are not Words of God…..because
God’s Words do not change.
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The middle path is the best paths that these books are written by humans….they do
contain ‘Words of God”…..in addition to that they also contain
- Words of Prophets of God.
- Words of Commentators / Editors / Compilers.
- Words of Historians / Folklore / Story tellers.
- And some soft pornographic stories as well.
Mistakes and errors are mostly due to human mistakes at the time of writing by the
original authors, plus accumulated errors over the centuries due to multiple
translations, copying and intentional or unintentional errors in this process.
Bible as a whole does contain “Words of God”…..but is not ‘Word of God” from end
to end.
Before quoting any thing from Bible as “word of God” we must verify if it is really
“Words of God”
Q.30 What are various readings in Bible?
Ans.
Christian Scholar’s Explanation on “Various Readings” in Biblical Books:
The fact that there are abundance of “various readings” in almost every book of Bible,
no two Ancient or old Manuscripts are exact copies of each other.
Christian Scholars have provided various explanations about this, I quote one such
from renowned Christian Scholar Horne:
Horne says that there are two main reasons for “various readings” i.e. differences in
same verses in different manuscripts:
A. Unintentional / Honest Mistakes:
B. Intentional Mistakes:
Then he has given examples under each head:
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A. Unintentional Mistakes: due to:
1. Mistake of Scribe / Copyist: such as:
a. The person dictating to copyist made some error and copyist wrote what he was
told.
b. Since Hebrew and Greek alphabets are similar to each other, so he wrote one
instead of other.
c. Copyist could not understand punctuation marks, or included marginal notes in the
main text.
d. Copyist left some portion, when he realised, he wrote that portion where he was, so
one para got shifted from one place to another.
e. Copyist left one line and started copying the next line.
f. Copyist could not understand the writing of original manuscript and wrote what he
thought best.
g. Main reason was the ignorance of copyist, due to which they added footnotes,
marginal writings and commentaries as part of text.
2. The Master copy itself was defective: Situations arise such as:
a. The punctuation marks became dim, or some portion from other side of the page,
appeared as on previous page.
b. The part that was missing was written on the margin, copyist could not locate the
right place, so he wrote it at another place.
3. Editing of the original text: some examples are:
a. Copyist thought that original word used was defective, so he replaced it with
another word.
b. Some times they re wrote the whole passage, in a “better or improved style”
c. They tried to “correct” the mistakes. If Paul quoted from some OT book in some
form, they edited OT book, so as to match with Paul’s letters.
d. They tried to modify Greek Manuscripts so as to match with the Latin versions.
B. Intentional Mistakes: There were many reasons for that.
a. It was a recognized rule amongst some “religious people” that any tampering done
in the text with “good or honest intention” is allowed. So each sect tried to change the
wording so as to prove their point of view.
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b. Since these changes were done by religious leaders and scholars, they spread into
their Church and further manuscripts / translation carried forward these changes.
Some examples of these intentional mistakes are:
1. Luke 22:43 was omitted, because some Scholars thought that “angel strengthening
Jesus is against the Divinity of Christ”
2. Matthew 1:18, the phrase “before they came together” were omitted and 1:25 the
phrase “first Son” was omitted, so that “eternal virginity of Mary” should not be
compromised.
3. 1Cor. 15:5, the number 12 was changed with 11, so that Paul’s mistake could be
corrected.
4. Mark 13:32 was omitted because it was in favor of Arians argument.
5. Luke 1:35, some words were added, because it was going against concept of
Trinity.
There are many such examples, in which text of scriptures were modified
intentionally by the Scholars and religious authorities.
Q.31 Did Muslims published Fake Bible?
Ans.
Let me put the complete News Story which started this Thread:
“Islamic Publishing House Prints "Forged" Bible
By Joseph C. DeCaro, Worthy News International Correspondent
CAIRO, EGYPT (Worthy News)-- An Islamic publishing house in Egypt printed

what it claims is a "forged" version of the Bible.
Abuislam Abdullah, owner of the Islamic Enlightenment Publishing House, wrote

that the reason behind the publication of this version of the Bible was to prove that
Christians themselves forged the books they now hold sacred.
The Coptic Church was offended by the publication and is considering filing a
complaint with Egypt's Attorney General, al-Masry al-Youm reported.
Coptic Bishop Abdel Messih Bassit called IEPH's Bible an "act of contempt" for
Christianity.
"Do Christians have the right to publish manuscripts of the Quran from our own point
of view?" he asked. "Can Christians print the Quran and add their comments to it?"
"The translation of this (forged) version was written in Levantine Arabic 400 years
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ago," Bassit said. "With the development of language from generation to generation,
the meaning of certain words was changed."
Relations are often tense between Copts -- who make up around 10 per cent of the
population -- and Egypt's Muslim majority”
Now Coptic Bishop asks very innocently “"Do Christians have the right to publish
manuscripts of the Quran from our own point of view?" he asked. "Can Christians
print the Quran and add their comments to it?"
Any one who has seen Western Literature for past 1000 Years would testify that
Christians HAVE BEEN DOING JUST THAT!!
They mistranslate Quran, they misquote it, they find fictitious sources for Quran and
they write “authentic Reports” about which portion of Quran is plagiarized from
which story of Bible etc etc.
They printed and distributed “Satanic verses” in Millions and they are doing every
trick fair or foul to create doubt about Quran, that it is not the ‘best preserved book”
on planet for 1400 years.
And now when some one prints “another version” of Bible, they are making so much
hue and cry, as if Sky has fallen.
And what is more, they accuse Muslims of following Double Standards……it is the
silliest thing that one can hear in a month full of Sundays!!
Q.32 What is the status of Book of Psalms?
Ans.
I cannot comment on Psalms as a whole. As per Muslim believe, The original book
of Psalms was given by God to David.
The present book of Psalms has also suffered as have the other books of OT and NT.
People have added some thing and people have removed something and people have
lost some thing from it.
So we are not dogmatic about any thing. But if there are verses there which are not
contradictory to Quran, we have no objection in talking about that.
Gospel of Barnabas has the same position as other books of NT. It is not 100 % word
of God or Jesus, but it explains so many things about jesus, which is missing in the
canon Gospels.
It presents Jesus in the true light, what he was, a righteous prophet of God, sent to
Jews. He was the last of jewish prophet and after Jesus, no prophet came amongst
Jews.
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Jews (As is their habit) rejected him and his message and his supposed followers,
under the spell of St. Paul, raised him to the level of Divinity.
It is only Muslims and a few true Christians, who held Jesus in the position which he
deserved.
Q33. who="Jim"]
As MUQ correctly alluded to, God does not address earth science a
whole lot in the bible. Biblical verses indicating water evaporation
are also logged in the book of Jeremiah(10:13, 51:16). …. If we
have not, we then must go back to the drawing board. True science
is really nothing more than simple common sense.
Ans.
Thank you for endorsing my views on “Scientific Contents” in Scripture.
This is a serious issue, but most people take it very lightly and take stands and make
comments which go to one extreme or the other.
The truth is some where in the Middle.
God as Creator of Universe has the True knowledge about Universe, which no human
has or will ever have.
So what God tells about any thing about Universe in His Own Words will be truth and
nothing but truth.
But on the other hand, God has given humans brain, intelligence and analytical power
to explore universe and use it and its contents for his betterment and betterment of
fellow human beings.
This exploration of nature and using it for benefit of mankind is what we can call as
science, engineering or growth of human knowledge base.
This growth has been gradual and every civilization has added or contributed
something to it, till we reach the present state of civilization. If our forefathers had
not invented, wheel, pen and ink, Oil fired lamps … we would not have invented all
these machines and gadgets!!.
So the scope of Science is very wide and there is hardly any direct invention from
God to humankind to teach or direct them towards any of the scientific discoveries. I
do not rule out “Indirect Intervention” thru prophets and divinely guided teachers.
The level of scientific knowledge or the height of scientific progress is no indication

of any person or any society being “close to God” or “near to God” or serving their
purpose of life on this earth.
Then what is religion and what is the ‘Info content” of Scriptures:
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Religion describes the relationship between man and His creator and rules of morality
in dealing between man and his society.
Now this is the information, which humans CANNOT find thru scientific discoveries
and their exploration of nature. And these informations are needed for humans to
fulfill their purpose of life on this earth.
Why then Nature or Scientific Facts mentioned in Scripture:
Usually they are mentioned to draw attention of humans towards Power of God and a
sign of His Wisdom, Knowledge and Mercy. Humans are to ponder on these natural
forces and phenomenon and think, who made them and how powerful the Creator is.
They are not mentioned as a “Text book of Science or math” , at best they give hints
to mankind to help him decode or understand their intricate working.
In their zeal, religious teachers and scholars try to outdo the Creator and use these
hints and pointers as absolute truth and “Literal Scientific Manuals”….and that brings
them into direct conflict with established science.
This conflict is very less, where Direct Words used by Creator are preserved (as is the
case with Quran)…..but this conflict is many fold in books which have been
translated and edited by human hands (as is the case with Bible).
During translations and editing, the original words used by God are replaced with
Translator’ words and that increase conflicts and confusions.
My advise and understanding is that there is no direct conflict between science and
religion. It is only overzealous supporters in each group that have made them as each
other’s adversaries.
For welfare of humanity, we need both parties to help each other and compromise
rather than conflict with each other.
I apologize if my post has become a little long. It is a tricky subject, if you want, we
can break it into parts and understand it in more detail.
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Q35. Missing Verses in Bible
Ans.
Vanishing Verses from the Bible:

I was reading the Holy Bible, Easy-To-Read Version - Matthew 18:10-14. I found
that the number of verse 11 existed with no text! The footnote for this verse states that
some Greek copies add verse 11: “The Son of Man came to save lost people.” I could
not believe it. Some Greek copies add a verse and some don’t. So the Easy-To-Read
Version decided against including this verse. Why? Isn’t the Bible the “inspired
Word” of God that no verse should be added, removed, or changed?
I started investigating this problem by looking at footnotes! I was shocked that this is
a common problem in the Word of God. Many of the following verses also do not
exist in American Standard Version, Revised Standard Version, and New Revised
Standard. These verses exist mainly in King James Version. The Text that is added or
deleted is italicized.
• Matthew 17:21 No Text Howbeit this kind goeth not out but by prayer and fasting
• Matthew 18:11 No Text For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost
• Matthew 23:14 No Text Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye
devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall
receive the greater damnation
• Mark 7:16 No Text If any man have ears to hear, let him hear.
• Mark 9:44 No Text Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched
• Mark 9:46 No Text Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched
• Mark 11:26 No Text But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in
heaven forgive your trespasses
• Mark 15:28 No Text And the scripture was fulfilled, which saith, And he was
numbered with the transgressors.
• Mark 16:9-20, The short Gospel according to Mark does not include the
resurrection and ascension of Jesus, 12 verses. The long Gospel according to Mark
includes these 12 verses!!
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• Luke 9:54 Text Addition And when his disciples James and John saw this, they
said, Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and
consume them, even as Elias did?
• Luke 9:55 Text Addition But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not
what manner of spirit ye are of.
• Luke 10:1. “After these things the Lord appointed other seventy” Some Geek
versions have the number 70, others have 72
• Luke 17:36 No Text Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the
other left.
• Luke 22:19-20 Some Greek versions do not have the last part of verse 19 and all
of 20. This is the part when Jesus said: The bread is my body, and the wine is my
blood.
• Luke 23:17 No Text (For of necessity he must release one unto them at the feast.)
• John 3: 16-21 Some scholars think these are Jesus’ words. Others think John
added these verses start with “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only
begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have
everlasting life.
• John 5:3 Text Addition In these lay a great multitude of impotent folk, of blind,
halt, withered, waiting for the moving of the water.
• John 5:4 No Text For an angel went down at a certain season into the pool, and
troubled the water: whosoever then first after the troubling of the water stepped in
was made whole of whatsoever disease he had
• John 7:53 to 8:11. The story of the woman that was caught in Adultery does not
exist. Old and best Greek copies do not have these verses?!
• Acts 8:37 No Text And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou
mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
• Acts 15:34 No Text Notwithstanding it pleased Silas to abide there still.
• Acts 24:6-8 Some Greek copies add last part of verse 6, verse 7, and first part of
verse 8.
• Acts 28:29 No Text And when he had said these words, the Jews departed, and
had great reasoning among themselves.
The serious question about the above deleted verses is: Who added them in the
beginning? And why? There are big sections that added in Mark 16:9-20 and John
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7:53 to 8:11. These are clear evidence that the Church has tampered with the New
Testament. Are the above verses “inspired corrections,” “inspired additions,” or
“inspired deletions.”? You decide!
Q36. What is test for “Word of God”
Ans.
How do you verify what really is "the Word of God".
B. Word of God and its verification:
How to verify what really is “Word of God”. There are many tests for that, I will give
you some:
1. The first test is that “Word of God” is what originates from the “lips of prophets of
God”. God speaks to human kind thru prophets and never directly. So the words of
commentators, editors, compilers, translators, historians, porno tellers all get filtered.
2. The second test is “Word of God” should be preserved in the “original tongue” in
which they were uttered by the prophets.
2A. By translating them into another language and breaking the link with original
language, will change their status to ‘Translated word of God”.
2B. Translated Words of God are subject to limitations of translators, knowledge of

translators and their own bias.
3, Third test is that we should have proof that ‘Word of God” as uttered by the
prophet has not been tempered with from the time it was uttered and by the time it
reached us.
3A. This is only possible if we have Manuscripts that do not vary and they do not
contradict each other, or we have unbroken chain of memorizers of “Word of God”
from the time, prophets uttered them till our present time.
4. Another test of presence of ‘Word of God” in any scripture is that “It should match
or is confirmed by another confirmed “Word of God” which satisfies the above three
conditions.
Now you see, it is only Quran which satisfies the first three conditions. And these
conditions are really tough.
No other Scripture or assumed scripture existing in this world can satisfy even one of
these tests.
So we are only left with the 4th Option to find our ‘Words of God” in other scriptures,
and that is to use Quran as Gold or Platinum Standard and segregate these other
scriptures into “words of God” and “Not words of God”.
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Just be believing or saying that these books were written earlier, or have been
confirmed by our Popes, or Councils, will not turn them into “words of God”
Q.37 who="HK Holden Monaro"
You're STILL lying! Why should any 'westerner' believe you? And
what is a 'namesake' Christian?? If one doesn't believe in Jesus,
then surely they are not a Christian!
More asenine logic, if you ask me!
Ans.
Namesake Christian is one “who fills in his census form his religion as
“Christianity”……No one asks him or her if they really believe in message of
Christianity.
So the NUMBERS of Christians are more, many of them do not believe in message of
Christianity, many are Atheists or do not believe in any religion.
Muslims also do that , I do not deny.
But in the eyes of God, Real Christian is one who believes in the message of
Christianity and Real Muslim is one who believes in the message of Islam.
Other people are “Namesake Christians and Namesake Muslims”…..if you really
want to know they far outnumber “Real Muslims and Real Christians”!!
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Q. 38 who="Scholar"]
This is beyond the ridiculous, so, because some participated to the
killing of people then the Church (Vatican) was supported them
and then guilty.. If this is your logic, then if i see a policeman
who hit someone, and this person was 100% innocent, i have to
give the fault, not to the policeman who acted in that illegal
manner, but to the govern.. Have this sense to you? How can
the govern be responsible of any policeman?
How can the Church be responsible of any priest?
Ans.
If the Church "ordained" these priests, it is in a way responsible for their conduct.
Only way in which Church can be excused of its responsibility is if it maintained a

very strict control on these priests and whenever it got any bad report about them,
should immediately take action against them.
What really happens is that Church tries to shield these priests and when the situation
becomes uncontrollable, issues a very weak "Apology" with no or very little
relief to the victims.
This shows either their involvement or trivializing the issue. When Church is so
quick to act against heretics , why it is so slow to act against erring ordained
priest.
You can not win both ways.
Q.39 FROMBORK, Poland: Nicolaus Copernicus, the 16th-century

astronomer whose work was condemned by the Roman Catholic
Church as heretical, will be reburied by Polish priests as a hero on
Saturday, nearly 500 years after he was laid to rest in an unmarked
grave.
Note: How they have discovered an unmarked grave after 500 years!! Another
Gimmick?
Q.40 Who= Think
You don't get it. Jews, India, China and now Muslims that consider
Christians as inferior are not of GOD. In what you are saying
contradicts the Koran and Muhammad's verses of not taking Jews
and Christians as friends and to make war with them. MUQ, you say
one and the Quran and Koran says another thing. You say Islam is a
religion of peace yet it wants to conquer the world. You say Islam is
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Gods Kingdom on earth, yet Sunni and Shiites fight and kill each
other besides non-muslims. The reality of what you say about Islam
is different then what is happening in the world. In GOD'S kingdom
no one should fear each other, yet we are told by muslims we
should fear them if we don't convert to their kingdom og their GOD
on earth. All of this is insanity.
Ans.
How did you come to conclusion that in Kingdom of God, no one should fear each
other?
When you establish Kingdom of God, there are followers of satan also, who will try
to destroy that Kingdom of God? How would one deal with those followers of false
hood?
When the Kingdom of God is established, those who are opposing it are enemies of
God. The religion of God is same from Adam thru Jesus and to the Final Prophet
Mohammad. God never named any one as jews or as Christians and He did not call
His religion as Judaism or Christianity….these are man made names.
Islam is a religion for peace, for those who want to live in peace and do not threaten it
or have designs to exterminate it. If any one has such designs, then Muslims are
asked to defend themselves with all their capabilities and their full capacity. This is
so called Jihad , which enemies of Islam have so maligned in our age.
Any one can become citizen of Kingdom of God, its membership is not based on any
race, color, creed, language or any physical boundaries.
Once you are a citizen of Kingdom of God, how can you be intimate friends with
those who are its enemies? That is why God asks Muslims not to take Jews and
Christians and others who are non Muslims as their Bosom friends and / or as their
protectors.
The fight between truth and falsehood shall continue till the End of the World. There
are two forces, one on the side of God and another on the side of Falsehood.
So what you see in the world makes perfect sense. The forces of falsehood are hell
bent to exterminate Kingdom of God and they are ready to use, any tool they have.
Their media power, their money power, their political power, there economic power
and their Military Might!!
Q.41 Who= Think
What has to recognized by muslims is that Paul takes no credit of

himself as having knowledge of GOD , but he gives all the credit
and glory of his revelation of knowing GOD'S word to GOD. Paul
proved that he truly believed his revelation came from GOD and
gave up his life out of his love for GOD'S truth.
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Ans.
It does not matter what Paul truly believed or not, or what were his teachings. The
basic question is of authority.
In theological concept, a prophet has the highest authority in any matter. Because it is
the prophet who receives direct revelation from God and no one else.
Prophet hood is not a position that any one can achieve by his own efforts or by going
higher and higher in religious knowledge.
Jesus came as a prophet of God with his own authority. He spoke with the authority
given to him by God. That is why whatever he said or taught has to be accepted by
every one who believe in Jesus.
Jesus selected his 12 disciples (and 70 more) and taught him the meaning of his
teachings and details and interpretation of his sermons. So these disciples as
“personally trained by Jesus” hold a special position …. Whatever they speak in the
name of jesus has much higher weight than any one else.
The case of Paul is very special….he never met Jesus, he never learned anything from
jesus while he was alive…..then all of a sudden he comes and says that Jesus
appeared to me in a vision and told me such and such and made me an “apostle to
Gentiles”?
This is a self claimed apostleship and self claimed authority….what is the proof that
Paul was speaking the truth? Have not so many people appeared on the scene with
strange logics before and after Paul?
The only test for Paul’s teachings is if they match with the teachings of Jesus’ own
teachings. When any one tries to compare that, he will see that they are not same.
Paul is preaching his own theory on his own self claimed authority.
That is why, I say, first you decide what authority Paul really holds. If you call him a
Prophet of God, I have no objection……then you call yourself followers of Paul and
not followers of Jesus. Because you cannot be the followers of both at the same
time!!
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Q.42. who="THINK"
God has a face and its the Human face of GODS only begotten SON
Jesus Christ.
Ans.
Has any one TRUE Picture of Jesus the Son of God, so they can Remember how God
looked like?
If you scan pictures and statues of Jesus depicted in statues and walls and ceilings of
different churches thru out history....they ALL look different?
What was the Purpose of God to show His face only to some people who lived at one
particular age?
Obviously this is ANOTHER of your post....written without thinking!!
Q. 43, who="Buford ”
1. If God exists and is free to do as God pleases, then God can take
human form, and in such a way that you would never
know or even suspect it. Frankly, it doesn't matter
what you believe, as far as convincing anyone goes.
What matters is what you can prove.
2. MUQ, What makes Mohammad's Jibreel any different than Joseph

Smith's Moroni?
Ans.
1. There is a contradiction in what you say that God does what He wants, so He can
take human form and become human if He wants. God and humans
are contradictory to each other, you can become one or you can
become other, you can not be both at the same time, for example:
God is immortal and humans are mortal, you can be either mortal or you can be
immortal, you cannot be both at the same time.
God is infinite and humans are finite, you cannot be finite and infinite at the same
time.
God does not need eat or drink, and man needs food and drink to survive, you cannot
be both at the same time.
There are many more qualities which are contradictory between man and God and one
can not be both at the same time. If you say that He was God, and He
became man, Then he was not God any more.
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In the same way, it is wrong to say that God can do anything….In Quran it is said that
God has power over all things. In no where it is said that God can do
anything. God cannot cheat and God cannot lie, and God cannot
forget…because all these qualities are not fit to the Majesty of God.
2. I am happy that you asked me “What makes Mohammad's Jibreel any different than
Joseph Smith's Moroni” I will answer what Our Prophet’s Gabriel
did and then you let me know what the other side did.
a. The literature brought by Gabriel, became the Highest Example of Arabic

Literature immediately
b. prophet challenged every one in Arabia to bring another book like it, or ten
chapters like it, or one chapter like it….but no one took the challenge
and this challenge is still open after 1400 years and there is no taker.
c. The message brought by Gabriel to our prophet transformed Arabs into World’s
dominant powers is less than 25 years and they ruled most of
civilized world for many centuries after words.
d. The message brought be Angel Gabriel was memorized by millions of people

(Arabs and Non Arabs) in all ages for past 1400 years….countless
commentaries and translations have been made of the Quran in
different world languages and there seems to be no end of it…. I
doubt, if there is even a single person who has memorized the whole
of Revelation brought by Mr. Joseph Smith.
e. Quran has remained modern with the changing face of the science and none of its
statements have been proven wrong by Modern science is past 1400
years, I do not know, what is the status of its competitor in this
regard.
In the end I say that “every thing that glitters in not Gold”….There are many people
who claim that they receive inspiration and revelation, but a little enquiry would
reveal which is which.
Q.44, who="DonDMask"
Some of this I DO agree with! The divine language will not be

known until rapture. The voice of God/Allah will melt flesh from
bone, but our flesh will not be important. This being said, God
spoke to who, and they wrote what?
Ans.
The real divine voice of Allah might NEVER be heard by any Material Humans,
because they cannot understand it!!
God / Allah speaks to humans in the language they understand!! For God / Allah all
languages are the same and none has per see superiority of over another.
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I do not know if what you said Voice of God melt flesh from bone being literally true
or not. For His faithful servants, voice of Creator would be the sweetest and most
pleasing things that they ever heard or imagined.
For His rebellious servants, I do not know where they were ever hear direct voice of
God / Allah. But it would be hard and reproachful and would cause extreme fear and
discomfort to the hearts of those people.
May Allah save us from those rebellious people and join us with those who are His
faithful servants . Amen
God usually speaks to His chosen Messengers from humans and angels. The chosen
angels bring the divine words of prophets and messengers in direct form or thru
visions dreams etc.
Revelation which forms Books of God are direct revelation brought to Prophets and
Messengers by angels….once the message is delivered either the prophets write them
down themselves (if they know how to write) or they deliver the message verbally and
it is companions of these prophets who write it down.
Sometimes the message is transmitted in oral form thru many generations, before it is
committed to writing.
It was only Quran, the Last and Final Testament of God, which was committed to
being written fully and being memorized fully during the life time of Last Prophet
and messenger of Allah.
A feat which is not repeated for any other revelation / book sent by God / Allah
Q.45, Who= Tiger 7
Here are some genuine stats, MUQ:
* Christianity has more adherents than any other religion on earth

today or in history.
* 33% of all people on earth say they are Christians. Islam is a

distant second at 21%.
* Christianity, in terms of absolute numbers, is the fastest growing

religion on earth.
* The World Christian Database, which compiles the most respected

research on world religions, reports that from 2000-2005,
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Christianity experienced an annual world-wide growth in adherents

of 1.38%, while Islam had a growth rate of 1.84%.
At that rate of 0.46% more a year, it would take over 200 years for
there to be as many Muslims as Christians.
* The WCD reports that from 1970 to 1985, the Muslim growth rate
was 2.74%, and from 1990-2000 it was 2.13%. The Muslim growth
rate over the past 25 years is falling, while the Christian rate is
rising (up from 1.36% 1990-2000).
http://worldchristiandatabase.org/
Ans.
I never said that Islam is the Largest religion on this earth….I said it is fastest
growing of all religion in the world today and this is fact!!
Considering that Christianity had 600 years of head start before Islam, if Muslims
catch up with their Christian Brothers, it will not be a little achievement!!
Then you must also consider that majority of these Christians are “Census
Christians”. I.e. in Census forms they fill their religion as Christianity. If you count
those who really practice Christianity in their day to day life…..you will SEE that
number of practicing Muslims are far more than practicing Christians.
You can see the attendance figures of Christian churches and Muslim mosques on any
day and in any country to verify it.
The way most of European Christians are Reacting to presence of a few Muslims on
their land, itself shows how afraid they are of Islam and Muslims.
Now let me ask you a simple question, which is more “Christian like dress” for a
Christian Women as per your Bible
A. Bikini and Bathing Suit on public streets?
b. Mini and Micro Skirt with most part of legs open for public.?
C. Modestly dressed women, with most parts of body and face covered under scarf.?
See it is Muslim Women who are Wearing Christian Dress Code!! You should be
thankful and happy that they are following your Dress Code, but instead you consider
them as WMD s!!
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Q.46 , who="Think"
1. MUQ your perception of Christianity is totally fallacious and

wrong. Islam has no proof to prove Christianity wrong.
2. In Christianity there is no doubt who Jesus Christ is.

All Christians know that Jesus is The SON OF GOD.
3. It is Islam and your so called prophet Muhammad that can not

prove that Islam is a religion from GOD.
4. The scripture in the Quran about Jesus has been proven by

historical scholars to be wrong.
Ans.
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You again posted this without thinking (a usual complain by every one who
comments on your post).
1. My Islam's perception? Why not Jesus' own perception? You know there was no
"Christianity" during the Times of Jesus? He never heard the word Christ, he
never heard the word Christian and / or Christianity.
So why I have to prove that all these concepts are wrong…. Ask Jesus and you will
find that all these concepts are not his own but of other people!!
2. Whom you are trying to kid that ALL Christians believe that Jesus is Son of God.
Have you any knowledge about earliest Churches and their fights with Pauline
Supporters….do you know Why the Council of Nicea was called in 325 CE.
3. Islam has all the proofs that it is religion from God…. Its Quran is a challenge for
whole human kind to duplicate it!!
4. It is interesting to note that what Quran says about Jesus has been PROVEN to be
wrong. Let us see what Quran says about Jesus;
a. That he was a prophet of God.
b. That he was born without any human father., to a pious and virgin Mary
c. That he showed many miracles to convince people of his authority.
d. That he did not die on the cross and was taken up bodily into heaven by God.
e. That he will return back to earth near the End of Time.
How many of these have been proven wrong by Historical Scholars?
And how many of these do Christians reject?
I told you many times to think, before you post, especially to Muslims!!
Q.48, Who= Think
MUQ, you are totally ignorant of what the Bible says about the
Promise GOD made to Himself.[2 Samuel 7:11-14] The LORD
declares to you [DAVID] that the LORD himself will establish a
house for you; When your days are over and you rest with your
fathers, I will raise up your offspring to succeed you, who will come
from [YOUR OWN BODY]. and I will establish his Kingdom. He is the
one who will build a house for my NAME, and I will establish the
throne of his kingdom forever. I WILL BE HIS FATHER AND HE WILL
BE MY SON. GOD fulfilled that promise thru Mary the virgin who was
from the House of David. Jesus’ divinity is from GOD Himself from
the substance of Himself He created His only begotten Son Jesus
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and fulfilled the promise He made to David and to Himself in

building a house for HIS NAME [JESUS] Thru His plan Jesus is given
the title "KING OF KING'S] in revelations.
Ans.
Now let us see, how much YOU know your Bible, let us discuss 2 Sam 7:11-14
verses, where the prophesy is made to David, let us break it down into parts and see,
did Jesus fulfilled these .
1. God says to David, that I will establish a house for you

(does it refers to jesus, No, God assures David that he has a place of Honor in eyes of
God and God will make a house for Him in Paradise)
2. When your days are over and you rest with your fathers
(does it refers to Jesus, No , it is simple a statement of fact , that this will happen after
David’ death)
3. I will raise your offspring to succeed you, who will come from your own body….
(does it refers to Jesus? Most certainly not!! David was not a father of Jesus in any
way, how can one say that Jesus came from David’s body? This is very specific for
Solomon, who succeeded David and who was from David’s body!!
4. And I will establish his kingdom…..

(does it refers to Jesus? Most certainly not!! Jesus never got any kingdom on this
earth, his kingdom was spiritual kingdom, Christians hope that Jesus will become
King in his second coming, meaning this prophesy is still not fulfilled)
5. He is the one who will build a house for my name

(Does it refers to Jesus, most certainly not!! Jesus never built any house of God.
Solomon did built the House of God in Jerusalem. This is the best part to prove that
This Prophesy is specific for Solomon and not Jesus)
6. and I will establish the throne of his kingdom for ever

(Does this refer to Jesus? Not exactly, … As for Solomon , God did preserve the
throne of Solomon at least for 500 years and 0 years for Jesus, so the word Forever is
not applicable to any one…but time factor is more in favor of Solomon. Than Jesus)
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7. I will be his Father and he shall be my son….
(Does that refer to Jesus? Not specifically, Son of God was a very innocent
expression in Jewish language. It means a Godly person, a person with whom God
was pleased. So a godly person who fulfilled earlier parts of this prophesy is meant
here. And Solomon does meet those clauses. So this part is also applicable to
Solomon)
This is how we read and interpret scriptures. Not jumping to conclusion with our own
farfetched theories.
It is time you change yourself from Think to Dumb!!
Q.49. What Quran has to say about Divinity of Jesus?
Ans.
Divinity of Jesus Christ and very reasonable attitude of Quran
Our Jewish and Christian friends always look down at Quran as being half cooked
version of stories from their books of OT and NT and not worth considering in any
serious theological dispute.
But if they look carefully, they will find that Quran seems to solve most of their
“fundamental disputes”!!
The Quran itself says “Verily this Quran does explain to the Children of Israel most of
the matters in which they disagree” 27:76
It is inconceivable that a man, who did not know how to read and how to write and
had no human tutor, could claim this position.
I will take the example of Divinity of Jesus Christ and what Quran has to say about it
and how effective and solid are its arguments.
A. Divinity of Jesus a Unique thing in annals of religion:
I think Jesus is the only known case of a confirmed Prophet of God, whom his
followers have raised to the level of divinity. In my knowledge there is no other such
example in the whole of human religious history. Let us analyze this statement is
some what more detail. Let us analyze different religious groups:
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1. Jews:
Jews with all their faults (stiff neck, racism , looking down upon other races, and
rebellious attitude towards their YHWH), have after the Captivity of Babylonia,
followed the path of strict monotheism.
They have never raised any of their prophets, Adam,. Noah, Moses, David, Solomon,
Elijah…..and others to the level of Divinity.
Moses could have been raised to that level, but Jews always considered him a prophet
of God and no more than a prophet and a national hero. They deserve all credit for
this!!
2. Hindus:
Hindus worship many gods, most of these are imaginary figures which they have
thought without any real proof that they exist. There are only two cases (in my
limited knowledge) of Ram and Krishna, whom they consider as God incarnate, i.e.
God is human shape.
But no one knows whether these people really existed, their historical existence is
doubtful and concept of Prophet hood is very weak in Hinduism.
3. Buddhist:
The statue of Buddha is always present with Buddhists when they pray, but I do not
think that they ever considered Buddha as God and Creator of this Universe. The
statue is only a means of concentration for them.
4. Ancient Egyptians and other old nations and their kings:
I know that kings of many old civilizations considered themselves to be related to

gods or their incarnation. But I doubt any of those kings or their subjects considered
them to be Creator of this universe.
Further none of these powerful kings ever claimed to be the prophet.
So that leaves us, only Jesus as a candidate, who is raised to the level of Divinity.
B. How to solve the riddle?
1. Ask the man himself!!
There is no easier and better way, than to ask Jesus himself, as to did he claim divinity
when he was walking on this earth!
2. That is why as per Quran, God will question Jesus on the last day, when entire
humanity is present and is witness
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And behold! God will say: “O Jesus the Son of Mary! Did you say to men, Worship
me and my mother as gods in derogation of God?” (5:119)
A very straight forward question and to rest all arguments, so to say.
3. Jesus’ Reply:
Is it hard to imagine what jesus as a righteous prophet of God will reply? Listen to
this reply of Jesus in front of whole humanity:
He will say “Glory be to you! Never could I say what I had no right (to say). Had I
said such a thing, you would have known it. You know what is in my heart and I do
not know what is in yours. For you know all that is hidden” (5:119)
What a beautiful reply from one of the Mightiest Messenger of God! He says how
could I exceed my limit and say such a monstrous thing.
4. Jesus’ reply continues:
“Never I said to them, except what you commanded me to say, to wit, “Worship God,
my Lord and Your Lord, and I was a witness over them while I dwelt amongst them;
when You took me up, You were the watcher over them, and You are watcher over all
things” (5:120)
What a beautiful and forceful reply!!
Jesus will say that while I was living with them, I never claimed any divinity and
asked them to worship One God, my Lord and Their Lord.
I do not know what they did, when you took me up!! I am unaware of what my
followers did after I left this earth
5. Jesus prays for his followers:
Even in the extreme anguish, Jesus pleads with God for his followers in this beautiful
way:
“If you punish them, they are your Servants, If you forgive them, then you are exalted
in Power, the Wise”
Can any intercession be more reasonable and more just? These words show the real
merciful nature of Jesus. He knows that his followers have committed one of the
greatest sins, but still he pleads in the most moving term with God.
So in this simple way, Quran settles the issue of Jesus and his claim of divinity!!
C. What about Christians?
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Scene above showed whether Jesus himself claimed divinity. But the case is not
complete, the followers of jesus are not questioned, they will come, carrying their
books of NT tucked under arms, saying that Jesus indeed claimed divinity!
So let us analyse the NT books that say, Jesus claimed divinity. NT books are divided
into two groups:
a. The Four Gospels.
b. Letters of Paul and other Apostles:
1. In the first three Gospels of Matthew, Mark and Luke, there is not a single
statement of jesus, which shows that Jesus ever claimed divinity.
2. It is only in the Gospel of John, that we find ambiguous statements like
“I and my father are one”
“Who has seen me has seen the father”
“I am the way, the truth and life”
None of these statements are explicit and there are matching verses in the same
Gospel which can show that these terms were used for others also.
So in none of the four Gospel, there is any unambiguous statement from the lips of
Jesus where he said “I am God,” or where he said “worship me”
3. So the Christians will not be able to prove in front of Jesus that he ever made the
claim for Divinity!!
4. Frustrated, they will turn to Galatians, Roman, Corinthians…..to show that “Paul
said the Jesus was Indeed God in human form”!!
Is it difficult to know what Jesus will reply “Who is this Paul? I never knew anyone
by the name of Paul in my whole life”!!
And that will be great finale of this one sided debate!!

:
Q.50. who= Savior Self
First off, we're not "bewitched children." It is a Christian

OBLIGATION to bear insults and boasts with a "grain of salt," as you
put it, we call it "turning the other cheek" and "loving thy neighbor."
Yes, it is a moral trade-off in the Christian world, a WHOLE lot of
pride has to be swallowed sometimes, but that's the entire point
God was making to begin with the sacrifice of His Son with the
promise of all settling-of-scores to be HIS domain, not ours. …..
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The Jews are not the "mortal enemies" of Jesus, Satan is. The Jews
reject Jesus for the same reason you do... you don't believe in the
Resurrection, nor do you believe in a LOVING God, only a merciful
one.
Ans.
Yours is the “meekest apology” which I see from any Christian on the support of Jews
and Israel.
Why your forefathers were not “turning the Other Cheek to jews” for all those 2000
years?
Were they wrong and setting a bad example of Christians as a whole? Were they not
guided by the Holy Ghost then?
It is only after WW-2 that Holy Ghost has changed its instance and asked Christians
to support Jews and israel at any cost and “keep on turning other cheek and bear all
taunts and boasts of Jews against Christians and jesus in particular”
It is strange that you compare Jews and Muslims with relation to Jesus. What we
Muslims reject is the Dogmas of Paul and not the personality and mission of jesus.
Jews on the other hand, reject the very personality of Jesus and call him names and
his mothers too. For them he was a false Messiah and a false prophet.
For Muslims, he was a true prophet and a true messiah. He was born without a father
and showed all those miracles. God took him bodily to heaven and he did not suffer
that cursed and demeaning death on the cross. He will return before the end of time..
How can you compare any jews believes against any muslims? They are poles apart.
Only blind hatred of Muslims can prompt you to help Jews against Muslims.
The things we reject about Jesus are proven from his own words and we do not invent
any new words to disprove them.
It was Paul who raised Jesus to the level of Divinity, it was Paul who invented this
idea of original sin and it was Paul who abrogated the law and claimed that jesus has
paid the final price for sins of Adam and eve. None of these could be proven by
statements of jesus as recorded in Gospels. So Muslims have every right to reject
teachings of Paul, since he was not a prophet, he was not a chosen disciple of jesus, he
never met or saw jesus in his life time….How could he invent all these Dogmas?
Second coming of Jesus would be an “eye opener” for both Jews and Christians. For
Jews because they will be face to face with the Mightiest prophet of God whom they
rejected…..for Christians because Jesus will ask them “Who is this Paul? I never
heard of him….how could he speak in my name…..what sort of “little Children” were
you to be so easily mislead?”
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You have tough questions to answer when Jesus returns back to earth…..keep you
answers prepared that is my advice to you!!
Q.51 How would Jesus judge Different people on his second Coming:
Ans.
I was wondering, how Jesus would deal with various groups of people on his second
coming, if he would descend as a ruler to judge people (As our Christian Friends
believe) and decide their fate:
I am not thinking about people of other faiths, like Hindus, Buddhists or Sikhs etc,
who have not even heard the name of Jesus and are totally ignorant about him and his
message. How Jesus would deal with them, I do not know and I would request my
Christian friends to educate me about them.
I was thinking about three groups of people, who have known about Jesus and have
well defined position regarding him.
A. Christians:
I think Jesus would just look at the cross dangling from their necks and send them
straightaway to paradise, some who do not have cross dangling from their necks,
would make the sign of cross on their chest and face and would be dispatched to
heaven.
Some others will kiss his hand and feet, some will start chanting Halleluiah and they
also would be sent to heaven with express delivery.
That would leave Muslims and Jews as two remaining groups.
B. Jews:
Jews have had a very well defined position regarding Jesus, as per them he was an
imposter, a false prophet, a false Messiah, born out of wedlock, showed some magic
to the innocent people and tried to mislead believing Jews from the right path.
Ultimately the Jewish law caught with him and he was put to death like a petty
criminal and imposter on the cross. (Allah pardon me for writing these words, but I
have to write, because I want to clarify the position).
Jews are stubborn on their rejection of Jesus and do not change their stand even after
2000 years.
How Jesus would deal with such stubborn people, I leave for Christians to answer
this. Jesus will be torn between their disbelief and they belonging to his own race.
A sample of Jesus’ dilemma is given at the end of this post
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C. Muslims:
Muslims on the other hand, believe Jesus to be a righteous prophet, one who was born
to virgin Mary without any male intervention as a special Miracle of God, showed
many miracles to people, called people to the right path. His enemies tried to kill
him, but God saved him from inglorious death and took him up bodily into heaven…
and he will come back to earth before the end of time to clarify the mystery of his
death.
Now our Christian friends say, that all this is bullshit, and does not matter in the least
for salvation and Jesus would find Muslims guilty of denial and would send them to
hell straightaway…..thereby they will end no better than Jews.
This seems very illogical, but I hope that Jesus would hold a court and put charges
against Muslims and will ask them to defend their position, so let us go to the Jesus’
court, where he would put charges against Muslims:
1. Jesus’ First Charge: Divinity “You wretched people, what prevented you from
saying that I was God in human form and Begotten Son of God”?
Muslims: O revered Jesus, May peace of Allah be on to you, we tried to look every
where in your books where you had said that you were God and you said to worship
me.
But we did not find a single unequivocal statement where you said “I am God” or
where you said “Worship me”. We had statements of Others but not from your own
lips. You should have spoken this thing very clearly, otherwise it is blasphemy for
any one to believe in some human as God or God’ begotten Son.
How can we be punished if some Tom, Dick or Harry says any thing in your name
and we have no confirmation from your own lips?
2. Jesus’ second charge: Trinity “You misfit of all people, why did you not believe
in Trinity?” It was so simple and straightforward?”
Muslims: O revered Jesus, May peace of Allah be on to you, we tried to look for this
Term Trinity in all your books, but we could not find it mentioned anywhere.
Should you not have explained this issue very clearly when you were walking with
the people?.
We heard many people saying that Trinity is essential for salvation, but we never
heard anything about it from you own lips.
You know that in matters of faith, we must believe in the words of prophets and not of
any one else.
3. Jesus’ third charge, Personal Saviour: “You fools of all people, what prevented
you from believing that I died for your sins, you had a period of grace, just believe in
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it and salvation is yours….why you took the hard path and did not follow simple
path?”
Muslims: O Revered Jesus, may peace of Allah be on you, again we searched for your
own words in all your books, where you would have said “I am dying for sins of
every human and from now on, you just have to believe that I died for your sins and
you will be forgiven”
O Revered Jesus, May peace of Allah be on to you, we heard other people claiming in
your name that you had died for mankind sins, but you know that in matters of faith,
we must have to take the explicit words from the Prophet’ mouth and not from any
one else.
We could not find a single unequivocal statement from your lips that you died for our
sins and we were living in a period of grace….where only belief is sufficient and no
deeds.
4. Jesus fourth charge: Believing in Another Prophet “O you hopeless Muslims,

why did you left me and believed in another prophet that came almost 600 years after
me…did not I say that I am the last and final prophet of God and no prophet will
come after me?”
Muslims: O revered Jesus, May peace of Allah be on to you, we tried to look every
where in your books where you had said that you were the last and final prophet and
no prophet would come after you.
We found instead, you gave a test for true prophets and false prophets, you said that
we should test the prophets, and see their fruits; “for as every good tree brings good
fruits and every evil tree brings evil fruit….by their fruits you shall know them”.
Then we saw your prophesy about “Another Comforter that was to come into the
world”….surely that meant another prophet that would come into the world…so we
looked for that “comforter and tree that will bring good fruit” and when we found
some one meeting those criterion, we believed in him, why should you blame us. You
should have been very clear in your statements.
As regards Time gap, O Revered Jesus. Peace f Allah be on to you, when Prophesies
made by Moses, 1500 years back, by David 1000 years back and by prophet Isaiah
and others 600 years back can fulfill about you, why can't your prophesy about
Comforter be true after 600 years?
O revered Jesus, Peace of Allah be on to you, We did not leave you, we still have firm
belief in you and speak very highly of you, and love and respect you are try to put into
practice what you said.
Jesus: “O you deluded people, my prophesy of “Another Comforter” was for The
Holy Ghost that descended on my disciples on the day of Pentecost…. How foolish
you people are to fit it into a person that came 600 years after me?”
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Muslims: O revered jesus, may peace of Allah be on you, we tried to match the
criterion you gave about that comforter on “The Holy Ghost” but they did not fit “It or
Him”: by miles.
Naturally we were not convinced that Comforter was the Holy Ghost, why did you
speak in ambiguous way and gave so many qualities for that Comforter….you should
have simple said, “I will send Holy Ghost after me and he will guide you into all
truth” then it would be a very simple and clear statement and would not lead any one
into doubts.
Jesus: “It seems that fault has been with those who jotted down (and edited) my
words….it is they who caused all these mischief and muddled my words …. Have you
anything else to say in your defense?
Muslims: O Revered Jesus, may peace of Allah be on to you, can you read your own
books that are present in this world, do they record your own words in your own
language?
Jesus: I will certainly ask my followers to bring me by books in original Hebrew or

Aramaic and verify if they record ALL of my words in my tongue.
The case will be re-opened after I have verified them. I will consult with My Father
as how to deal with you wretched, stubborn and idiotic people.
You must face exemplary punishment, worse than Jews, after all they are my own
People, God Chose them above all people, send many prophets amongst them….what
if they did not believe in me…..their disbelief is minor thing compare to your belief
I have to be impartial and Just, I must recommend my father to punish you people
more than Jews. After all they are from my lot, my own sheep, God’s chosen people,
Chosen race, ….
I cannot take side, I should be just…..but these Muslims believing in another

prophet……how can I overlook it….even though he taught them to worship one God
and to respect all prophet of God including me…..
But I cannot take side, I must be impartial…..These Jews are my OWN People, my
race, my sheep, God Chose them, Chose their race…..
Q.52 How Will Jesus be in his second coming?
Ans.
Some people THINK that Jesus in his second coming would be like "Santa
Clause".....spreading peace and happiness every where and would have a "large gift
sack" for every one on the world and "Most people of world" would gather around
him and take gifts and will become "brothers unto each other"!!
And peace and tranquility will reign in the world for ever.
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SOME other are under the impression that he would be appointed "UN Secretary
General" upon his descent....and by his speeches and message whole world would
find "what a wonderful guy" he is and shun all violence and follow him in one long
queue...destroying their stockpiles of WMD s.
These are childish figures, in his first inning on this earth, he tried the "message of
peace and brotherhood" what was the result?
He was hanged on cross like a petty thief or murderer!!
Why people think it should be otherwise in his second innings....if he follows the
"same message".
The truth is Jesus would return as a Just Ruler on this earth, punishing guilty and
rewarding those who do good.....that is the ONLY way in which Justice and peace can
be established on this earth.
Remember his saying "Do not think that I came to bring peace in the world....I came
to place a SWORD .... I came to lit a fire on earth, how good would it have been if it
was already lit" etc.etc.
So no Santa clause or UN Secretary General when Jesus comes for second coming.
Q.53. Who= US born
Your looking at physical likeness. Here are some.
God brought him forth out of Egypt Num.24 And was there until the
death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the
Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I called my son.
Matt. 2
An evil king/Pharaoh tried to kill him as a baby: Exodus 1:22 King

Herod tried to kill baby Jesus: Matthew 2:16
He was hidden from the evil king/Pharaoh: Exodus 2:2 An angel

said to hide the child from the evil King Herod: Matthew 2:13
Moses was sent into Egypt to preserve his life: Exodus 2:3-4 Jesus
was taken into Egypt to preserve His life: Matthew 2:13-15
He was saved by women: his mother: Exodus 2:3; Miriam 2:4;

Pharaoh's daughter 2:5-10 Saved and helped by His mother, Mary:
Matthew 2:14
Pharaoh's daughter adopted Moses: Exodus 2:10 Joseph adopted

Jesus: Matthew 1:25
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Moses became a prince of Egypt: Exodus 2:10 Jesus is the Prince of

Peace: Isaiah 9:5; Matthew 28:18; Luke 2:14
He tried to save a Hebrew kinsman: Exodus 2:11-12 Jesus came to

save His Hebrew kinsman first: Mark 7:26-28
Went from being a prince to a pauper: Exodus 2:15-19 Went from

being God to being man: John 1:1-3; Mark 6:3
Saved women at a well: Exodus 2:15-19 Saved a woman at a well:

John chapter 4
Became a shepherd: Exodus 3:1 He is the Good Shepherd: John

10:11
Moses' mission was to redeem Israel from slavery to Egypt Jesus'

mission is to redeem mankind from slavery to sin
Moses was loved and supported in his ministry by his sister Miriam
[in Hebrew, Miryam] Jesus was loved and supported in his ministry
by His mother Mary [in Hebrew, Miryam]
He was often rejected by his own people Jesus was often rejected
by His own people
Moses will give God's law on the mountain of Sinai: Exodus 20:1-
31:18; 34:1-35 Jesus will give the new law from the Mt. of
Beatitudes: Matthew chapter 5
Moses spent 40 days fasting on the mountain: 24:18;34:28 Jesus

spent 40 days fasting in the desert wilderness: Matthew 4:2
Moses performs signs/ miracles Jesus performs signs/miracles
Moses offered his life for the salvation of his people after the sin of
the Golden Calf: Exodus 32:33-33 Jesus offered His life for the
salvation of the world: Isaiah 53:12; Romans 5:12; 6:10; 2
Corinthians 5:15-21; Colossians 1:19-20; 2:14-15; 1 John 1:7;
2:2; etc.
Ans.
It amused me to read all these “comparison” that you did between Jesus and Moses!!
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Before I comment further, let me tell you a funny story…..let us see if some one
wants to Compare Taj Mahal in India and Empire State Building (ESB) in New York
and prove that they are comparable, he could say that:
a. Taj Mahal is a building and ESB is a building, so they are similar.
b. Taj Mahal is standing on ground and ESB is also standing on ground, so they are
similar.
c. Taj Mahal uses bricks and ESB also uses some bricks, so they are similar.
d. Taj Mahal was contructed by humans and ESB was also constructed by humans, so
they are similar.
e. Taj Mahal is in a country India, which was once ruled by Britain and ESB is also in
a country USA which was once ruled by Britain, so they are similar.
Like this I also can “assemble” hundreds of points to “show and prove” that Taj
Mahal and ESB are similar, but will I be right? On the other hand if some one
compares ESB with WTC Towers, he will be right, because they have more
similarities than between Taj Mahal and ESB
Before I put a rejoinder, let me quote to you the full verse Deut 18:18-19 “I will raise
them up a prophet like you from amongst their brothers; I will put my words in his
mouth and he will tell them every thing that I command him and if any one does not
listen to my words that the prophet speaks in my name, I will myself call him to
account”
So the Major parts of this prophesy are:
a. He shall be a PROPHET.
b. He shall be like Moses.
c. He will be raised amongst the BROTHERS of Jews.
d. God will put His Word’s in the Prophet’s mouth.
e. Prophet shall only speak what God will command him.
f. If any one will not listen to that prophet, God will take action against that person.
Now let us see if Jesus fulfils any of these condition (not like Taj Mahal and ESB Sort
of comparison!! )
a. Prophethood:
Moses is always recognized as a Prophet. Jesus is recognized as God in human form.

Jesus is equal with God in Trinity. Prophethood for jesus is only secondary. In fact
many Christians will take offense when we say that Jesus is a prophet of God
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b. Like Moses:
1. Moses did not die for sins of mankind, Jesus died for sins of Mankind.
2. Moses brought a full code of life, and Jesus only modified some provisions of
Moses’ laws and by and large he was a following Moses’ laws.
3. Moses was recognized by majority of his people while Jesus was and still is
rejected by majority of jews.
4. Life, death, family life in every way, Moses and jesus are so unlike each other that
any comparison between them is just like Taj Mahal and ESB.
c. Brothers of Jews:
1. Jesus was himself a Jew, so he is not amongst the brothers of Jews. That prophet
was to come from some people who are very close to jews, but not Jews.
d. God putting His Words in the Prophet’s mouth:
1. Even though Jesus preached the message of God, the words were his. The analogy
of Bible demands that prophet to repeat “verbatim” the message which he received
from God, that is not the case with Jesus.
e. God’s warning for those who deny Prophet’ Message:
1. This is to warn those who might think that Deut 18:18 is a trivial matter and we
have our Lord and Savior and we need not to look for any New Prophet.
I think after all this, there is no need to comment on all those “similarities” that you
have put forward between Jesus and Moses!! If you want, I can comment on each and
every one of them and prove that they are “mere eyewash and cases of Chalk and
Cheese and there is no real similarity between these two great Prophets of God”
Q.54, Who= Eric
First, please remember that I am Jewish and I have no scripture

that speaks of Jesus. As far as I can tell, the quotation is not
included in any historical work of the time period.
Second, how remarkably you have learned the art of the non-
answer from a son of g-d. You require this information from others
but when requested of you, then you basically say that it is so
because of your faith. It is so because of your beliefs. It is so
because G-d told your prophet, and you believe your prophet. But
when others say that they believe something because it is their
faith, it is their belief, it is so because G-d told their prophet or one
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of their holy people, you refuse to accord them the same latitude
that you want me to accord you.
I am willing to accept your answer that it is so because it is your

belief, but only if you are willing to accept the same answer of
others.
Ans.
If you are Jewish, then will you please tell me how did Moses got all those ten
commandments and those teachings from God?
If it could happen for Moses, then why it could not happen for other prophets also?
Why it cannot happen for Jesus and our prophet too?
You cannot have double standards, that I will accept that Moses got revelation and
other Jewish prophets got revelations from God…..but no one outside Jewish circle
can get Revelation?
We Muslims treat all prophets of God with respect and value their personality and
teachings. But we say that after advent of last prophet, the period of their ministry
ends.
If you reject the Last Prophet, then indeed you are transgressing on God Himself,
telling Him, Why Did He sent the Last Prophet?
It is not the love of Moses (or Jesus for Christians), which is prompting you to do this,
It is satan who is behind it. Both Moses and jesus will say before God that we did
prophesize and told our people about the last prophet.
Moses in Deut 18:18 and Jesus in Gospel according to John, speaking about
Comforter.
Q,55 who="James"
Hello MUQ,
My God is the Word of God, who is Jesus, who is God, and He was,
is, and always will be God.
He has given Himself many names in the Bible, and He knows
everything, how many hairs are on your head, and His Names.
Here are a few:
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Isaiah 9:6
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the
government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be
called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting
Father, The Prince of Peace.
Ans.
I have no control of what or why you believe. I have only stated the facts as I could.
There are no end to what some people can believe in.
In India there are close to 1000 Million Hindus, who worship Cows, who bow down
before their idols and worship so many gods that you cannot even count.
There are hundreds of Million of Buddhists who bow before the statue of Lord
Buddha and claim there is no God.
There are still Millions of Communists and Atheists who believe that there is no God.
So I am not surprised as to what you have quoted your articles of your faith. You
have to find out, how many of these were actually uttered by the “Lips of Jesus”!!
If you are certain that each and every one of these “articles of faiths” were uttered by
Jesus Himself in so many words, then you have a case.
But remember in Hereafter, God will confront you with Jesus and Jesus will ask,
where did I say all those words and you will show him “Letters of Paul to Galatians,
Corinthians , Romans……etc” and Jesus asks who “Who is this Paul? I never knew
him during my life time?”!!
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Q.56 Was Jesus the Last Prophet?
Ans.
Jesus as the Last Prophet:
Many people are under false assumption that Jesus claimed, he is the last prophet and
after him only false prophets shall come, but this is far from truth:
a. Very reason that Jesus gave tests to distinguish between a true prophet of God and a
false prophet, indicates that true prophets of God shall also come after him.
b. He said “as every good tree brings forth good fruit and every evil tree bears evil
fruits, so by their fruits you shall know them”. So the criterion to judge between a
true and false prophet are in their teachings.
c. Jesus himself predicted that a Comforter shall come after him. He said “I have yet
many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now, how be it, when the
Comforter shall come into the world, he shall guide you into all truth. For he shall not
speak from himself, but whatever he shall hear , he shall speak. He will guide you
into all truth….and he shall glorify me”
This quotation shows very clearly that Jesus told that some one will come after him.
d. So those who say that Jesus claimed that he was the last prophet, they are wrong.
On the other hand, our prophet said very clearly “I am the Last prophet and any one
who says that he is a prophet of God (after me) is a liar”. In Quran he is mentioned as
“The Seal of all prophets” Showing very clearly that he is the last prophet.
e. Now we have only to see what are the Fruits of Prophet Mohammad? (PBUH and
all prophets of God).
1. Muslims are the largest Monotheistic society on this earth, i.e. those who do not
worship any idol or any statue.
2. Muslims are the largest group on this earth that do not consume Alcohol.
3. Muslims are the largest group on this earth who do not take part in any gambling or
any game of chance. Same way Muslims are the largest community on this earth that
do not indulge in usury and other prohibitions mentioned in Bible.
4. Muslims have the highest charity rate amongst all groups and the lowest criminal
rates.
5. Muslims are the largest Non Christian group on this earth that believe in the
Prophet hood of jesus Christ. No Hindu, No Buddhist, No Sikh , No Atheist has to
believe in the prophet hood of jesus. But no Muslim is a Muslim unless he believes in
the prophet hood of Jesus. That is what Jesus meant when he said that “He will
glorify me”.
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But there is still no shortage of people, who will keep on repeating that Jesus claimed
that we was the last prophet.
There is no cure and no argument for such people. They are like blind and deaf
people who have closed their ears and eyes.
Q.57, Who= A Son of God
MUQ,
nothing could be much further than the truth than what you have
just written. Islam will say it does not deny Jesus. But in totality it
does! Jesus IS THE Son of GOD! Truth! Jesus suffered and died and
rose again from the dead on the third day! Truth. Jesus is the
Savior - THE Christ!
Does Islam accept him or deny Him?
Muhammad was never ever the Comforter! Muhammad removed

the promises in Christ by denying the amnesty that God has given
to us all in Christ. Muhammad has promised Muslims hell when they
die. He was the most miserable among miserable comforters!
Ans.
These are your own beliefs which you impose on Jesus. Jesus is free from these
claims and on the day of judgment, you will have to answer to these false claims
about him to Jesus himself.
A. Jesus is the Son of God in the same sense as were many others before him. The
word Son of God simply means a godly person in jewish idiom. It is not to be taken
literally. Can you explain what is meaning of “Son of God”?
B. Jesus did not die on the cross, so there was no question of resurrection at all. He
was taken up bodily to heavens by God and from where he shall descend once again
before the end of time.
C. Jesus is the savior, right but for those who believe in his true message and try to
follow him to the best of their abilities.
D. God in Heaven knows that Comforter was not the Holy Ghost which came of
Pentecost day. Jesus is also a witness that this is the case. However no one can put a
restriction on what you believe. The reality will be known on the day of judgment.
So till that time, we should keep our respective positions.
E. You do not have a need to pity Muslims…..Quran is very specific on this issue “To
You Your way and to us our way” (108:4)
And :
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“…If Allah so willed, He would have made you a single people, but (His plan) is to
test you in what he has given you; so strive as in a race in all virtues. The goal of you
all is to Allah: it is He that will show you (on the Last day) the truth of matters in
which you disputed” (5:49)
So instead of pitying each other, let us take the prudent advice which Quran tells us,
exceed in all virtues and try to outdo each other in good deeds.
These endless discussions will not solve our problems or will be productive.
Broaden your heart and let other people live and do what they believe in. Do not pose
as if you are source of all knowledge and every one else is dummy.
Q.58, who="Samson"
These folks that predict the time of Christ return are laboring under
the popular but biblically false idea that Christ could return at any
moment, so they don't even have the first step correct so they are
not going to get the rest of it right either. The bible is clear, the
antichrist must be revealed before the return of Christ. First the
devil has his day and beats up on Christians and Jews and then
Jesus returns and it will be pay back big time.
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Ans.
And that is what Islamic literature also says....the main mission of Jesus on his second
coming would be to slay the Anti Christ.
And it will be the time of greatest tribulations and difficulty for True Believers.
Now who that Anti Christ will be, it is any body's guess.
There is only ONE group of people who is waiting for their "Promised Messiah"... I
do not want to name them, because it is very obvious. They rejected the two True
Messiahs which came to them on two specific times in history.
Christians are waiting for second coming of Jesus (a known person and no
ambiguity).
Muslims are awaiting return of Jesus from heaven for a second time (a fixed and
known person).
Hindus are waiting for their Last Rishi, Kaliki Avtar or Narashansa (and it can be seen
that they point to prophet Mohammad, in great detail and accuracy).
So it is obvious from which Group this Anti Christ will come and who would be his
followers.
The stage is being slowly set up....the enemies of jesus are being gathered from all
over the world to one specified location and area.
The minor signs of the hours are being completed... now we only await coming of
Anti Christ...
It could be in near future.....
But it will not happen on May 21, 2011....because the date is too close for Anti Christ
to rise and create so much mischief in such short time.
Q.59, who="Jesus IS"
Christians who did that weren't following the teachings of Jesus

Christ:
MATTHEW 5:44 "But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them
that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them
which despitefully use you, and persecute you;"
MARK 11:25
And whenever you stand praying, forgive, if you have anything
against anyone, so that your Father also who is in heaven may
forgive you your trespasses.”
MATTHEW 5:43-48
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LUKE 6:31
"And as you wish that others would do to you, do so to them."
WHEN PETER DREW A SWORD TO DEFEND JESUS:
MATTHEW 26:50:
Ans.
I know all these verses, there are for the people and for situation when you do not
have power!!
Love your enemies….turn your other cheek…if some one asks your coat, give your
gowns also… forgive your enemies….prey for them….those who live by sword they
die by sword…..
All these are beautiful preachings, but the REAL situation to practice these are when
you have POWER.
Jesus never had that power during his life time, neither his chosen disciples had that
power on earth.
Neither Christians had during those first three centuries of persecution…..but when
Christians did get Power around 325 CE…..look at how they put these teachings into
practice!!
How did Christians dealt with those whom they called as Heretics and Hypocrites….
How did Christians dealt with Jews for 2000 years, how did Christians dealt with Red
Indians of North and South America, how they dealt with Aborigines of Australia and
New Zealand, Eskimos, Black African slaves…..Where were those teachings of Jesus
“Love your enemy and turn the other cheek”?
Compared to that our prophet did have power during his life time to forgive his
enemies. When he captured Makkah in year 8AH, he had all his bitterest enemies
standing near Kaaba…..he asked them, do you know, what I am going to do to you
today?
What could they answer? All these 21 years they had persecuted him and his
followers by every means imaginable. They could only say, “You are a generous
brother and a generous kinsman”.
And then prophet displayed in practice that teaching of Jesus “You forgive your
enemies and pray for them”….He said “Let today be no blame on you, go you all are
free”!!
So it was our prophet who acted on these teachings of Jesus!! And showed how they
could be practiced.
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Q. 60 Who= WW Man
Don’t matter what hat you ware if you break the law how do you
expect the indigenous people to feel about muslims it is because of
a lack of repression that muslims have become more raucous
obnoxious and in some cases treacherous ??. Muslims are taking full
advantage tolerance given to them by Christian nations!!
Ans.
None of the laws of your society are eternal, they are being changed and modified
from time to time.
There could have been a time, when your country was 100 % Christian and all
white……the rules would have been made for that time.
Now the situation is changed….you have citizens from many religion, many culture
and many ethnic backgrounds living in your country as citizens.
It is time that you modify your laws so that every one could live in peace and
tranquility as per their beliefs and personal laws.
It is not an unreasonable demand. Only those people who are still living or want to
live in the age when your country was 100 % Christian or 100 % white would object
to it…..and that time may never come again!!
Q.61 Who= Think
Paul letters they testify of Paul. Paul could not have written as He
did were it not for the Holy spirit of God. When we look properly
Paul is in total harmony with Jesus and the Apostles.
John 3:5-8
Jesus answered, "I tell you the truth, no one can enter the
kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit.
6 Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit.
7 You should not be surprised at my saying,’ You must be born
again.'
8 The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you
cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with
everyone born of the Spirit."
Ans.
What is a Prophet and what is an Apostle? Will you please explain me the difference?
In our understanding a Prophet is one, who receives direct revelation from God and
propagates it to the people.
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An apostle is a person whom a prophet chooses from his disciples and asks him to go
and do the preaching on his behalf.
In the case of Paul, he could never be an Apostle of jesus, because he never met jesus
in his life time. If he received the apostle ship in dream, or vision, or trans then it is
his own claim and there is no witness of it. Why would Jesus choose Paul, when he
already had 12 and 70 Chosen Apostles? And why he did not tell or disclose it to his
chosen disciples that such a “Super Apostle” is in the offing?
And what sort of Apostle of jesus is Paul, when he never quotes any thing from jesus
himself? Read thru his letters, and you will hardly find a single quotation of jesus.
What he says is from OT books as if he never knew a single word which jesus spoke.
Read thru any sermon and any speech of any companion of our prophet and he will
say, “my prophet said this and my prophet said that and my Quran says this and my
Quran says that”… and it is so natural. Any apostle appointed by any prophet will
not preach his idea or say any thing which his master has not said. That too when the
time of Jesus was so near to the time of Paul, Jesus’ memory and his words were still
fresh in the memory of so many people who heard him speak, why should Paul rely
on OT books to prove his logic and not from jesus’ own words?
For Paul, Jesus starts after he is crucified, he is not at all interested in his human life,
how he lived, what he preached, how he preached. If Paul was a true apostle of Jesus,
every page of his letters would be filled with quotations from jesus own words.
Since he was a self claimed 13th Apostle of jesus, so all of his logic and reasoning are
self made and taken from here and there of OT books.
How strange it is, since he is so much against Torah, its laws and its teachings…..yet
shamelessly he uses quotes from the same book in his argument!!
For your info none of the current Gospels were written when Paul wrote his letters.
So it is wrong to say that Gospel of John confirms what Paul wrote….in fact Gospel
of John was based on teachings of Paul.
The wordings of John are allegorical and never to be taken in literal sense.
Now you tell me “Which of the Christian is Born of Water and Spirit”? Prove to me
in literal sense and do not go on a fishing trip!!
Such is the language and logic by which you confuse yourself and others….and that is
what your Prophet Paul did before you.
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Q.62,
Pope puts foot down on scandal-plagued Legionaries

By Nicole Winfield, THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
VATICAN CITY - Pope Benedict XVI cracked down Saturday on the scandal-
plagued Legionaries of Christ, announcing that a papal envoy would take over and
reform the conservative order that has been discredited by revelations that its founder
sexually abused seminarians and fathered at least one child.
Benedict also ordered a special commission to study the Legionaries constitutions and
said a Vatican expert would investigate its lay arm, Regnum Christi.
The decisions were made after five Vatican investigators reported back to Benedict
and other Vatican officials about an eight-month global inquiry into the order to
determine its future after its founder was so thoroughly discredited by revelations of
his double life.
In a statement, the Vatican excoriated the Rev. Marcial Maciel for creating a "system
of power" built on silence, deceit and obedience that enabled him to lead a double life
"devoid of any scruples and authentic sense of religion" and allowed him to abuse
young boys unchecked. By pushing away and casting doubt upon all those who
questioned his behaviour, and the false belief that he wasn't doing harm to the good of
the Legion, he created around him a defence mechanism that made him unassailable
for a long period, making it difficult to know his true life," the Vatican said.
But rather than closing the order down, which some critics had called for, the Vatican
assured the Legion's current members that it would help them "purify" what good
remains in the order and would not be left alone as they undergo the "profound
revision" necessary to carry on. …
In the end, it was only in 2006 - a year into Pope Benedict XVI 's papacy - that the
Vatican ordered Maciel to lead a "reserved life of penance and prayer," making him a
priest in name only. He died in 2008 at age 87. . The Vatican ordered an investigation
into the order in 2009 after the Legionaries acknowledged that Maciel had fathered a
daughter who is now in her 20s and lives in Spain. But it was only in March of this
year that the Legionaries acknowledged that Maciel had also sexually abused
seminarians and that two men are claiming to be his sons.
The late Pope John Paul II had long championed the Legionaries for their orthodoxy
and ability to bring in vocations and money. Berry has recently written in the U.S.
Catholic publication National Catholic Reporter of how the late pope's secretary and
No. 2 allegedly intervened to protect Maciel and accept donations on his behalf. ..
Maciel founded the Legion in his native Mexico in 1941 and the order's culture was
built around Maciel. His photo adorned every Legion building, his biography and
writings were studied, and his birthday was celebrated as a feast day. Until recently,
Legion members took a vow not to criticize their superiors, including Maciel.
http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/World/2010/05/02/13796171-ap.html (abridged)
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Chapter-3 Islam-1
(On Allah and Muslim beliefs)
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Q-63, Who= Pete-O
1)Creators of the Universe, so the Christians have the same God as

Muslims? And what is your proof if not?
2)I'll give it you that science answers how. Can you define "outside
the material world"? But science does answer what happens when
our brain dies.
3)Can you prove that Mohamed flew to heaven on winged horse?
4)Human accountability came about as a survival mechanism. It

hurt the tribe if a member killed another, it was bad for the tribe as
a whole. Human accountability is a basic evolutionary need.
Ans.
A. Creator:
Not only Muslims, Christian or Jews, in fact all religions who believe in Creator,
basically worship the same Creator, because there is only One!!
They make call Him by different names, but when you ask them to list His qualities,
you will find that they match with each other. So with slight difference in conception,
they are speaking of the same Creator.
B. Science and its scope:
I asked you specific question, how can science decide one painting is better than the
other, or one music is better than the other and which song is better than the other.
You have not replied that.
There are millions of WHY questions, for which science has no answer. What
happens to soul when body dies. What is proof with science? What is Life? Has
science any answer?
C. How our prophet flew to heaven:
What was it, we do not really know, but it appeared to him like a horse, so as not to
startle him.
It is the same as angels of God appear to prophets and humans in human shape, so as
not to startle them and because they CANNOT see them in their true creation, because
they are not made of matter!!
D. Human accountability:
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This is you own view and you have no PRROF for it. Proof for such matters came
from scripture and not with human reasoning.
Every good reason and every logical thing may not be true!!
E. Many religions all claiming to be truth:
Yes I know, there are many religions all claiming to be true, but that does not mean
that all their claims are true.
If you are an honest investigator, you will ask them for proof.
A very simple proof should be ask them how authentic are their scriptures and what
proofs they have that the present scriptures are the same which their prophets wrote.
Do not accept their claims and beliefs, ask for the proof.
That will show you, how authentic and authoritative are these religions.
Just because there are so many quack doctors, will not prove that there is no genuine
doctor at all.
If you are honest and want to know the truth, with slight study you will locate which
is the true religion out of so many claiming to be true religion.
Q-64. Who=Think
Your contradiction your self. You state there is no other translation

of Allah in arabic. yet Allah using "WE" and "I" contradicts the
Arabic translation of ALLAH. If there is no other translations the
word Allah has to be used in place of "WE" and "I" We and I are not
perfect in translating the word "ALLAH"'
Ans.
Why should you get DUMBER and DUMBER every time you open your mouth
about Quran?
Who said I and We used in Quran are equivalent of Allah?Allah is a proper noun and
I and We are pronouns! In Quran Allah says that I did this and this ….and sometimes
Allah says that We did this and this…..so how come there is any contradiction?
I think you should retire to some secluded place and re-think why should you be so
unreasonable when writing or posting about Islam.
Why should you be so biased? Take care, Islam and Muslims are going to stay till the
end of world….and Jews and Christians also will exist!!
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Q.65. Who is Allah? I believe that would be Satan in the

bible.
Ans.
If you think that satan of Bible is the Powerful knowledgeable Creator who created
every thing in this Universe.
If you think Satan of Bible is the one who will judge every human being on this earth
and send then to heaven or hell....
If you think Satan of Bible teaches his followers to worship only One True God of
this Universe, be kind to your parents, speak truth, be just to every one, speak truth,
do not spill innocent blood....
If you think that satan of Bible does all these things, then you have some grounds to
say that Allah is like Satan of Bible!!
Then what does the God of Bible do?
Q.66
To MUQ
This was my question "What will happen to faith if God is proved

metaphysically real?
I'm guessing if God was proved for real, people would change there
ways and god wouldn't be able to judge people right, as he would
not know if they were sinful or not. Unless thoughts become sins, is
a thought sin a sin MUQ? That would limit ones own thought.
The double whammy would be everyone would think they have a

personnel connection to god, devotion to church and mosque would
be diminished, that would mean no more money for clergy. The
devotion would be thrown to the one ID God.
ID in the long run, could actually be a threat to all the religions of

the world, as all could throw away old beliefs for ID. Just a
hypothetical possibility.
Thing is ID is a hypothesis still and is not a religion, just as the

theory of evolution, is not a religion.
Ans.
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I think yours is again the post which deserves answer, others are just name calling…
You have asked the question “what would happen if God is proven to be
metaphysically real”?
This is a strange question, any one having a look at this vast universe and seeing how
it works, asking the question “If it is proven….” Is really strange. It would been very
illogical, unreasonable and wrong if the Creator of this Vast Universe with infinite
powers was to be Seen with the Human Physical eyes!!
Human eyes and human scientific gadgets have inherent limitations that make then
unable to see or experiment with the Creator of this Universe.
Then there is another strange question as to what should God do or not do to judge
humans….It is not for us humans to suggest to our Creator what should He do or not
do…. It is He who decides for us what WE HAVE TO DO and not Vice Versa!!
I think humans are getting too big for their shoes when they start posing questions like
these. It is the mercy and wisdom of God that He made provision for every thing to
full fill material needs of humans on earth, before he even came on this earth. Tell me
which of us would be able to create a drop of water, if it was not already available on
earth in such vast quantity? Or air? Or copper, Steel? Gold? Silver?
Just finding the ores and melting them and using them is not Creation. It is at best
utilizing to the utmost what was already made available.
If you think in that light…..may be you fill see your real position in this universe and
on this earth.
ID movement as for as I can decode is a half hearted attempt to patch up between

Atheist and religionist. That is why they will not reach any where. They realize that
this Universe is not based on Dumb Design…..there is a Cosmic intelligence
everywhere……but the so called Scientists say that there is no God and there is no
Creator…so they came up with this idea of ID.
Who is the source of this ID , how come the Intelligence came into a Dumb Universe?
These are the questions for which they have no answer.
Science is good and science is useful and science is great…..but it is not the
ONLYTHING in this universe. Science has a scope and science has a limitation. So
long as it works within its limits and constraints, it is useful. But when it goes beyond
its reach and talks about things which are beyond its scope…..then it has to be put
back into its place.
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Q.67, who="Frijoles"
Not totally correct. Islam takes a VERY hard line regarding this, but
Judaism has nothing against likenesses provided you don’t pray to
them or confuse them with God itself.
From the standpoint of Jewish theology though, I agree with what
you are saying.
Maimonedes defined God not by what he is, but by what he isn’t.

And one of our concluding hymns, Yigdal, is all about the fact that
God has no body but yet is. The early Hasidim gravitated towards a
pan- theistic view - that God IS creation AND the force
behind/beyond creation. Personally, I find that view a little easier on
my brain, and in fact this is the accepted viewpoint of probably
quite a few Jews across all the major denominations.
Ans.
Since Islam was going to be the Last and Final Edition of the Old religion and our
prophet had to be the Last and Final prophet till the last day, It had to take a very
Unambiguous stand on image and idol making.
That is why Islamic stand is very clear and very unambiguous on this issue and no
figure, statue, idols or any physical image has to be made of God. And not only God,
we Muslims are prohibited from making any image , picture or statue of Prophet and
any other religious personality (a stand which many of “Cartoon Crazy” Westerners
do not seem to understand or realize).
That is why in Islamic terminology, there is no mention of Father, Son or Son of God
etc….because these terms would slowly lead towards worshipping humans and
creations in place of Creator.
I know Jewish faith is Monotheistic, but the rules are not that strict. Christians have
followed in the error of worshipping a Creature in place of Creator. Their prayers are
mostly addressed to jesus, Mary and other saints and not one Who Created Jesus,
Mary and Those saints!
Islamic position , regarding God’ personality and attribute is to believe in general

sense and do not figure our their exact meaning. God Sees and God Hears and God
Speaks and God Loves and God hates. His hands are distributing unending bounties
etc……..But HOW?
We Muslims do not try to explain or try to understand. What we KNOW is that God
is unlike any Human or any of His Creations…..so He does these things as befit his
Majesty. Philosophers and Scientists have their concept of God, based on
negation…..they keep on explaining what God is not….such a stand would never
create Positive ties between Creator and His Creations….their God only becomes a
CONCEPTUAL GOD…..devoid of any attributes!!
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Q68, Why Quran always admonishes not believers?
Ans.
What is that again?
You mean Quran should have said that truth and falsehood are one and the same
thing; and It does not matter if you worship one God or you worship 10 or 100 gods?
Quran speaks truth and bare truth and nothing but the truth. It tells to humans in most
clear terms, that this is the true path from your Lord to follow. People who are
following any other path are doing wrong and they should correct themselves,
otherwise they shall be losers in the hereafter.
There is no ambiguity in its statements. It doe snot beat around the bush and says this
path is also Ok and that path is also OK and things like that.
After delivering the clear message, it leaves the choice to individuals. They are free
to accept or reject the message of Islam. But they must make the choice themselves,
so that in the hereafter, they should not complain to God that the message was not
clear or it was ambiguous and we were in doubt as which is the correct path.
There can not be two shortest paths to reach from point A to point B. Islam shows the
shortest and straight path to reach God, all other paths (invented by humans) have
become crooked and there is much more possibility for individuals to fall into ditch
than reach their Goal by following these crooked paths.
Q.69, Who=Think
Your explanation is a cop out. The cop out is "WE" is used in the
Quran as GOD. So you are saying that GOD used "WE" instead of
GOD out of respect for GOD Himself. It is the writers who are
expressing them self as co-equal to Allah. The word Allah means
GOD not "WE". There is no translation of the word "WE" in Arabic
translates in to the WORD ALLAH. "WE" translates in to the word
"Respect" not Allah. The word "WE" is used in the Quran as "WE"
the writers with respect to ALLAH, believing ALLAH agrees with
them in what they are writing. The translation they give is not a
direct command from Allah. It come from the writers.
Ans.
How many times I have told you to change your title from THINK to DUMB.
Why should you respond to issues about which you do nothing?
You do not know Arabic or other Eastern language at all. How can we assume your
interpretation of “We”, those who know Eastern Languages, know what is Plural of
Respect and what is plural of numbers.
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Unity of Allah is confirmed in unambiguous language like that is what is used in

Chapter 112. Say He is Allah One and Only, Allah the Absolute, The Eternal. He
begets not and not He is Begotten and there is none unto like Him.
Despite these clear statements, you come and try to explain what “We” in Quran
means?
You must be dumber than you sound. Islam has no place for persons like Paul and his
followers. We speak in clear language.
Q.70, who=US Born
If you believe Moses was a prophet, do you follow the

commandments given to Moses by God? There is only one Messiah.
The many descriptions of the Messiah in the O.T. lead to one, not
many.
If you really understood the Holy Bible, you would know why these
things in the middle east were occurring. I do know the Bible said
the Jews would return to THEIR land and would never be dispersed
again. Jesus said that when he was in Jerusalem, Israel. Any war
started against Israel will fail. Recent history has proven that to be
true.
It also tells us the Jesus is the Jewish Messiah. That makes him
different than any man including Moses.
Ans.
You have posed a very good question and I hope you will not mind if my answer is a
little long:
A. Who are Prophets: The prophets are people chosen by God as a guide to their
nations. They are role models for their people and their followers have to follow their
prophets if they want to follow God’s instructions.
B. What separates Prophets from other religious scholars and reformers: It is the
Direct revelation from God Al Mighty to these prophets that separates them from
other religious scholars and reformers. Scholars and reformers decide based on their
knowledge and reasoning power. In case of prophets the guidance comes form God
Himself.
C. Are all prophets same: No there are two types of prophets, one who come with a
code of Law and others who follow the Code of law of a previous prophet.
D. Give Examples of both type of Prophets:
In the First category come Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus and Mohammad and in the
second category come jewish prophets like, Joshua, Samuel. David, Solomon, Daniel
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and other Jewish prophets mentioned in OT books. They all followed Moses Code of
Law.
E. What are the two important branches of Prophet’s messages:
These are Article of Faiths and Rules of rituals and social and commercial guidelines
to deal between members of the society.
F. What do we mean when we say that All prophets preached the same message: The
core message of all prophets are the article of faiths, that is One ness of God, His
attributes and His Qualities, belief in Angels, in Revealed books and in the hereafter.
In articles of faiths all prophets preached the same message.
However in ritualistic laws and social laws, the codes could be different between one
prophet and another. Because each prophet was send to his own people and made
laws concerning their own circumstances.
G. Did Jesus followed Moses’ law to the Letter: Even though Jesus followed most of
Moses’ laws, he did modify certain of its provisions that had become outdated. It is
clear to any one who reads jesus’ words recorded in Gospels.
H. What was the status of Prophet Mohammad: Prophet Mohammad was sent as Last
and Final messenger for all nations and for all times to come. He came with a full
code of conduct that confirmed and modified Laws of Moses wherever it was needed
as jesus did prior to prophet Mohammad.
I. How then we can say that Muslims follow Prophet Moses: When we believe in
Last Prophet, w e automatically believe in all prophets. Then articles of faiths are
common between all prophets. Most of Islamic laws are very close to jewish laws. It
was practice of our prophet to follow Jewish law, until it was superseded or modified
by God.
J. Was Jesus the Messiah: Jesus was indeed the Messiah and the term is used for Jesus
in Quran because Jews denied his status. The term Messiah in itself a harmless
Jewish term indicating that any person is appointed by God for a certain position.
K. Why Muslims oppose Creation of Israel: Because it is based on wrong principles.

The land of palestine is not the exclusive property of Jews only. It has to be shared by
both Jews and Arabs. These are descendents of two sons of Abraham and they have
w=equal rights.
Jews have claimed unilateral dominion over it and turned our hundreds of thousands
of Arabs who were living there for centuries. That is not acceptable and must be
corrected.
L. Will Jesus return to earth for a second time: Yes, jesus will return to earth close to
End of days, we do not know when that will happen actually. So we cannot justify
anything happening in the world as right or wrong saying that end of world is near.
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Q.71, who="Frijoles"
Didnt say it didnt. I was merely drawing attention to the fact that
the more people worry about the future, they neglect the quality of
the present.
Ans.
Well, there are extremists on both side, those whose entire preparation and efforts is
for present life and they either reject or forget totally that they have to prepare for a
future life.
Then there are those whose entire emphasis is on future life and they do not do or
want to do anything to better their lots in this present life.
Islam’s teachings are a mid way between these two extremes. It asks Muslims to aim
for success in the future life, but take every effort to make their lot better in the
present life also. That is why it ordained Jihad or struggle for just cause as an edict
for all Muslims.
The famous supplication of Muslims is “O Our Lord! Give us good in this world and
good in the hereafter and save us from the torment of the fire” (2:201).
The advise given to QAROON (Koroth) according to Quran was:
“but seek with the (wealth) which God has bestowed on thee, the Home of the
Hereafter, but do not forget your portion in this world, but do good as God has been
good to you , and seek not (occasions for) mischief in the land: for God does not love
those who do mischief” (28:77).
So if anyone Muslim or Non Muslim forget this teaching of Quran and exhaust all his
energies in one side only, he will be the looser and lop sided success in any case.
When Islam was at its peak, Muslims excelled in both Religious and secular Worlds,
now in their downtrodden state, they have placed all their hopes in the success of
hereafter (which is indeed the ultimate success)…..but God would certainly ask them
why did they disobeyed God’s command to improve their lot in this world!
Q.72, Who= MKOT
Koran Sura 2:65-66 and Sura 5:60 contain references to Jews as

“apes and swine to be despised and rejected.”
Ans.
So you have come out of Quranic verses saying that “Jews are sons of apes and
pigs”…Let us see what is the translation of these Quranic verses:
Ch: 2 verses 65, & 66:
Page 100 of pages384

“And you well know those amongst you who transgressed in the matter of Sabbath;
We said to them: “Be you apes despised and rejected”. So We made it an example to
their own time and to their posterity, and a lesson to those who fear Allah”
No where it says that jews are Children of Apes and Pigs. It says that Some Jews who
transgressed the laws of Sabbath were transformed into Apes as a punishment. From
where you got the idea and present day Jews and sons of those apes?
Ch. 5 Verse 60:
“Say shall I point out to you something much worse than this, (as judged) by the
treatment it received from Allah? Those who incurred the curse of Allah and His
wrath, those of whom some He transformed into apes and swine, those who
worshipped evil – these are many times worse in rank and far more astray from the
straight path”.
Here also Quran does not say that Jews are sons of apes and swine. It says that Allah
punished some Jews by transforming them into apes and swine. That was punishment
for their extreme transgression.
So no where Quran says that Jews are Children of Apes and Swine…..how can it say
when Jews are descendents of Abraham thru Isaac and so many prophets came from
them?
Those who are evil doers are a different class and they have no right to be counted
amongst descendents of Abraham as jesus also said so many times in his sermons.
Q.73, who="Neville Thompson"

Hello MUQ, is there any mention in your scriptures that someone
will appear and lead Islam into the future?
Ans.
In Quran Prophet Mohammad is mentioned as “Seal of Prophets” indicating that he is

the Last and Final Prophet that come into the world.
In Numerous sayings of prophet (Hadith) it is said by Prophet, that “I am the Last

prophet and there shall come no prophet after me. Any one who says that I am
prophet of Allah after me, he is a liar”.
So no new prophet shall come into the world after our prophet. Only prophet Jesus
(who was an earlier prophet) shall return to earth for a specific purpose, near the end
of time. And that specific purpose would be to kill The Anti Christ (DAJJAL in
Arabic)
Now Muslims have the duty to convey the message of Islam to all humanity till the
end of time and it is their duty.
But in some sayings, prophet said that “Allah will appoint at the turn of each century
MUJADDIDS (Renewal), who will purify the religion of Islam. But this is not an

article of faith and many people might not know or recognize the MUJADDID of
their times. And they are not prophets and do not get any direct revelation or cannot
add or modify any article of faith. Their role is only as a reformer to clarify religious
position in light of prevailing conditions.
Then along with the coming of Jesus, a righteous Muslim leader called Mehdi, shall
also arise amongst Muslim, but he also shall be no prophet….he will lead Muslims in
those difficult times, when Anti Christ shall have most power on this earth and
persecute true servants of Allah.
This is what I know about future leaders in Islam…. But at no time Muslims will be
in shortage of true Islamic scholars and true servants of Allah, that would spread the
message of Islam.
As regards destiny of Islam , it is mentioned in Quran at three places:
‘It is He (i.e. Allah) who has sent His messenger (i.e. Mohammad) with Guidance (i.e.
Quran) and a True Way of Life (i.e. Islam) so as to overcome (and subdue) All other
ways of life, howsoever the unbelievers (and those having partners with Allah) might
not like it”!!
This is the destiny of Islam, to master and overcome all other ways of life!!
Q.74, who="HughBe"
Is God formless?
“And God said, Let us make man in our IMAGE/resemblance, after
our likeness..”
“And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in
his own likeness, and after his IMAGE/resemblance ….”
Based on the two texts above did Adam believe that he looked like
G-d/God? YES
“Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for
in the IMAGE of God made he man”
Pardon me, I inserted IMAGE of God instead of IMAGE of ANGELS
but I will leave it as is. Please see Genesis 9:6 in your own scripture
for verification.
“Give ear, O Shepherd of Israel, thou that leadest Joseph like a
flock; thou that dwellest between the cherubims, shine forth”
Where does the Creator dwell? “..between the cherubims”
Ans.
You have raised a very sensitive and tricky question and one that needs a lot of
contemplation.
It is a very slippery path and we have to tread on it very carefully. A small slip could
cause us into chasm and into error from where it is very difficult to come back.

Before I comment on the subject matter, let me put forward some basics:
A. The Creator and Creations are different from each other: There is noting Common
between them.
B. Human minds and human brains are not capable to fully understand or fully grasp
personality or attributes of Creator.
C. Only way, in which Humans can get any knowledge about Creator is thru
Revelation which God sends to His chosen Prophets and Messengers. All other ways
to “understand and explain” personality and attributes of Creator are faulty.
D. Since God has to communicate with humans, so He uses human terms and human
language to give some insight into His personality. But since these human language
and human words cannot fully express Divine nature and Divine attributes, there is
always some ambiguity or some gap.
E. In Most Scriptures of the world, God states that He is alone in this Universe and
there in No one like Him. These verses could be small in numbers, but they put down
the Basic rule for understanding Divine personality or attribute. Never, ever try to
superimpose human properties or human standards to God. Be very , very careful.
F. In Quran for example, we find only a few verses like “There is nothing like unto
Him” and “Say, He is Allah, the Only, Allah the absolute, the Eternal, He begets not,
nor was He begotten, and there is nothing like unto Him”.
G. One this Basic rule has been understood carefully, we find verses in Quran that
talk about, Hands of God, His Face, His Hearing, His Seeing, His Understanding, His
Coming, His going, His Laugh, His Love etc….and In Bible His face, His Mouth,
Feet , Hands etc…
H. So these verses which describe “Human like” qualities of God are “Not to be
interpreted with human deficiencies”!!
The best and most safe approach is to “Leave them to majesty of God”!! God has
Hands, Feet, Eyes, Ears, Mouth, Face….etc as befitting the Majesty of God and they
are not to be confused with Human Organs!!
I. So when we read the verse that “God Created Adam in His image”….if was not the
“Animal image which was God talking about”! But “Knowledge, mercy,
understanding , reasoning and other qualities which distinguish humans from other
animal species”
The subject is very tricky and very sensitive, I do not know how far I am able to
convey my understanding.
I take refuge with God, if I did make any mistake or error.
For God is High Above things which people attribute to Him.

Q.76, who="TexasMade"
Can anyone shed some light on this for me. If the creationists have
dated the planet Earth at 4,000 old and God threw off carbon dating
results to test our faith, then what type of Raptor did Jesus likely
ride on for transportation?
I would think he would go Velociraptor, but then again he could

have rode something completely different that we aren’t even aware
of .. Like maybe a T-rexicorn?
Ans.
If anyone dates earth as being 4000 or 8000 or 10000 years old and quotes God as
authority for that, then he or she is certainly wrong and God has nothing to do with
such claims.
If someone says that Adam and Eve descended on earth 8000 or 10000 years ago,
then it is another thing and he may be right or wrong in his assumptions. But if he or
she is Dogmatic about these dates and says, it is God Himself who has confirmed
these dates, then it is his baseless charge against God.
Quran the Last and Final Testament throws light on both these situations:
A. On Creation of Life:
It says
“Say, travel thru the earth and see how God did originate creation; so will God
produce a later creation, for God has power over all things” 29:20
This verse asks us humans to go and look for proofs (and dates) when and how the
creation started on this earth. Carbon Dating and other tools are provided by God to
help humans; they did not come by themselves.
So if scientists by using these tools determine that earth is so many billion years old,
or that specie lived so many million years ago, then there is nothing objectionable
from Islamic point of view.
B. How many generations separate us from Adam:
On this Quran has following verse:
“Has not the story reached you (O people!) of those who went before you; of the
people of Noah, and AAD and THAMUD and of those who came after them? None
knows them but God…” (14-9)

So no one knows exactly how many generations separate us from Adam and
Eve….the genealogies given in Bible and other books are man made and only
approximate….there could be many more names missing than which are mentioned.
So no one should be dogmatic about saying that Adam came 8000 or 10000 years
back and that was the date when Earth was created.
C. Did humans evolve from Animals?:
On this Quran is emphatic that no, they did not. God created first parents Adam and
Eve in full form as a separate Specie and they came to earth all of a sudden.
The presence of man on earth was therefore a sudden event….one day before there
was no man on earth….next day they appeared. So the scientific “theory” of
evolution is wrong in this respect.
D. What means of transport will Jesus use, when he comes on Second Coming:
Again we can say, only God knows. As per our Hadith (sayings of prophet) literature,
Jesus shall come back to earth to kill the Anti Christ…..he shall have a weapon whose
range shall be as far as “eyes can see”. What this really means, we can only guess.
He may use any of the “conventional transport” which people of that time use, or he
may have some special transport….we do not Know….Allah knows Best and we
revert our knowledge to Him.
These are short answers to your queries. Each of them is a big subject in itself.
Q.77, who="Az Zaqqum"
First, don't call me a lady. I can't live up to that ;D

Follow the prophet can not be a general instruction, as that would
contradict the Quran saying it's complete.
The hadith were not protected, there are unreliable hadith and
hadith that say not to follow hadith. You can't have it both ways.
And, you can't trust hadith as they weren't written down until
Muhammad had been dead for over 200 years.
You haven't explained why the Quran says not to follow hadith.
You haven't explained why the Quran says it's complete.
Do you believe that the Quran says it complete?
Ans.
I did not call you a lady, I asked you to mind your language when you answer to a
lady…..the language which you used against Israelity was profane and I warned you
against it.
If Quran says “Follow the Prophet” and repeats it again and again, then it must be a
general instruction. How we can ourselves put a restriction to it?

I told you even the least authentic book of Hadith is much more reliable and authentic
than the best authentic book of Bible. Yet in your eyes the books of Bible have more
authority than books of Hadith.!!
It is your folly that books of Hadith are unreliable and were not written down except
after 200 years of prophet’s death. Writing down of Hadith had started even during
the life time of prophet. There were many companions of prophet who wrote down
Hadith.
Persons who wrote down Hadith from Companions of prophet were many and all
those books were incorporated into later books of Hadith.
Transmission chain of every Hadith was carefully preserved and biographies of each
and every narrator is available to verify his authenticity. It is a huge literature
unparalleled by any other religious community on this planet.
All that was done so as to preserve the words and actions of the Last and Final
messenger.
Even if the books of Hadith were written after 200 years of prophet’s death, there is
no harm because we have complete chain of transmission for each and every Hadith.
Compared to that books of Bible (first five books of OT, which are the core of OT)
were written 800-1000 years after death of prophet Moses. And we have no record of
who were the narrators for so many centuries. But still you and Jews and Christians
accept these books as “books written down by Moses” and you not the least qualm in
accepting them as words of God.
On the other hand books of Hadith, which were written after 200 years (maximum 3
to 4 generations) with full chain of narrators looks to you as suspicious and unreliable.
This is the dual standard which you and people like you follow and think it is very
logical.
We have discussed already how Quran is complete……Quran is complete on the

subject which it deals…..but for other things it asks Muslims to follow and learn from
prophet.
By the way have you gone thru the verses which are addressed to prophet directly
“With Arabic KAF at the end of words”…..does it shows that prophet was just a
“postman” delivering the message.
Far from being an Expert on Quran, I doubt whether you have even basic knowledge
of Quran or can read its verses , without punctuation marks!!
By the way, who put the punctuation marks on Quran and how were they put?

Q.78, who="Az Zaqqum"
The Quran does not tell women that they can only have 1 husband
especially if there are more men than women in any area. There is
no punishment for it, either.
The prophets conduct is in relation to following the Quran--that's it.
That's what the Quran says. His only message was the Quran. His
job was to deliver the message....like a pizza then split.
Ans.
With “Scholars and authority on Quran” like you, women can have more than one
husband, (but men “must not” have more than one wives) … pigs and dogs can sleep
with you on your beds…Charity, Prayers, fasting and Hajj all left to individual
conveniences ….
… And even homosexuality is not “banned” in Quran…
That is why I said that every deviant group or sect in Islam first tries to get away from
Hadith and Prophetic traditions…..once they break that link…..they can mould Quran
any way they like.
This is a standard and time tested technique and all your past posts confirm my
suspicion that instead of following Quran…..you want Quran to follow your whims
and fancies.
God’s appointed Law Maker and Role Model and ideal personality…..you turn it into
a post man….why should then God picked our prophet for that job, He could have
picked any Tom , Dick and Harry from Makkan society (as the unbelievers wanted)
and all would have been goody, goody there!!
Next you will come and say that all those wars which prophet had with Makkan were
“against teachings of Quran”!!
To me, it is not a strange attitude, because I KNOW that once you get yourself FREE
from following in the footsteps of Messenger of Allah….these are the roads to which
Satan will take you!!
Q.79, who="AussieBobby"
Even I have learn not to trust or quote the Hadith on many things. I
believe most if not all are for personal advantage to gain control the
followers of your religion...just like the other religions
Ans.
You are entitled to your opinion. You can accuse any one without any proof.

To accuse that most of Hadith were written for personal advantage and to gain control
of followers (without proofs) is going to extremes. It can be proven that MOST of
Hadith Scholars gained no personal advantage and were not leading and controlling
their followers.
Most of Hadith Scholar were learned Islamic scholars whose only aim in life was to
preserve the sayings, actions and teachings of Last and Final Prophet of God for
posterity.
There were some persons of dubious characters also amongst that group (and which
society is free from such people), but these were identified and their true worth was
exposed before every one.
The vast Hadith and Biographical literature of Islam is unparalleled in the world,
many non Muslim envy this literature……but to most of our Muslim brothers, who
do not want to take pains to study, research and accept or reject any Hadith on logical
and reasonable ground….it has become fashionable to either accept “Anything and
Everything” mentioned in these books or reject “everything and anything” mentioned
in these books.
The truth lies in between and both these extreme views are the results of lack of
efforts and lack of commitment from these people.
Q.80, who="Lipush"
Which brings you to appreciate the afterlife more then this life.
You appreciate death more then life.
You are making a big mistake if you think you make the creator
happy by doing that.
No other nation thinks that but the Arab Muslim one.
take that to mind.
Ans.
We do not despise this life…we consider it as a preparation ground for the life in
hereafter. What we sow in this world , we will reap in the hereafter.
In Islam, we do not denigrate the pleasures of this earth. But they should be within
the bounds set by our Creator.
Over-indulgence in pleasures of this world and totally forgetting about hereafter is the
trait which is condemned by Islam,
I think Islam is the only religion, which maintains a perfect balance between life on
this earth and life in hereafter.
It gives each place what is its due.

Q.81, Who=MKOT
You are laboring very hard to bring logic to a discussion and I am taking the time to
read, not skim, your heartfelt postings. We disagree on many
things, agree on probably more.
MUQ is here to soften western posters to the message of Jihad. He

has proven his fundamentalist views on the supremacy of Islam,
double standard for women and a total intolerance for the
existence of a Jewish State. While many other eyes may read and
hear your arguments, MUQ
never will. I still applaud your sincere efforts.My greatest

disagreement is any analogy that equates terrorism with sovereign
nations,
Ans.
Yes I know we are exchanging post after a long time. We broke the link, once we had
stated our respective positions.
I am here to clarify and defend Islamic position on any issue which is raised by
opponents of Islam, be it the concept of Jihad, Islamic Justice system or Women’s
rights in Islam.
You have right to defer, but you cannot prove that Islamic systems are simply
barbaric, unreasonable and illogical. Islam might have a different concept of society
than the Modern Western world, but it would be in the best interest of Muslims and
West both, if we respect each other and do not try to “bring the other side to our side”.
The one sided and hate propaganda in western media and by western people on this
and on every thread to demonize Islam and Muslims and every thing and every issue
related with Islam and Muslims is deplorable.
I am trying my level best to answer these accusations, but I use civil language and try
to reason out with people.
Jihad and Independent agents:
I agree with you, that Islamic concept of Jihad, does not encourage individual acts of
war by every citizen. It has to be a proper war and under a commander who has
reasonable following.
But there are situations which are desperate and call for desperate measures. Some
one who has lost his close relatives in a Bomb or a Missile or a Drone attack by US or
NATO forces in Afghanistan is desperate and mad with fury. How can one reason
with such people?

These are the people who are mainly carrying out these types of suicide bombings. Is
there any justice system in the world that can answer their grievances? As per US and
NATO, EVERYONE killed by their Bombs, Missiles and Drones was a
CONFIRMED AL QAEDA AND / OR TALIBAN ACTVIST!! The Chapter is
closed!!
Same attitude is taken by Israel for every action done by their police and army on
Palestinians.
These are the basic acts which give rise to these suicide bombings. If people were
honest, unbiased and unjust, they would have reacted to this Government sponsored
acts of Terrorism with the same horror and revulsion as they do for these suicide
bombers, the problem would have long been solved.
But people in the false notion of patriotism and defending their Army and police at
any cost, try to look other way and are very lenient and broad minded when these
complaints are lodged.
And it is not specific to one country only. In fact EVERY country is guilty of this
crime. What is the solution for this problem is beyond my scope. But I NEVER
condone any Terrorist act done by ANYONE. But I do not mince my words.
In my eyes a terrorist blowing himself in a crowded place and killing innocent people,
is as big a terrorist, as a Fighter or Bomber pilot, firing a Missile or Bomb into a
civilian area. Just because he is in army fatigue and has three or four stars on his
uniform, does not make him a lesser terrorist. In fact he is a bigger terrorist!!
Israel:
Yes I have all sympathies with Israel. The problem is once you laid the first
foundation stone of a building crooked, howsoever high that building goes, it shall
always be crooked. The same is the case with Israel and land of Palestine. They could
never live in peace in that land for past 3000 years. That is their destiny. The only
peace they found in that land was when Muslims were ruling over them between 650
CE and 1917 CE!!
The moment they tried to establish their own country, the violence started. So if I
were you, I would recommend them to live in peace by going back to the situation of
pre 1917!!
They simply CANNOT live in peace by stealing land from their neighbors and acting
like a bully in the religion. They think that they show of force will cower other people
and they will live like mice and cockroaches and leave them to roar in the land like a
tiger unleashed. It is their folly. You have to give peace to receive peace. You have
to give respect to get respect. And you have to act justly to receive justice.
These are two way streets and not one way streets.

Q.83, who="HarryPotter"]
Mankind makes the assumption that the creator is in the image of

man. Where is the proof and evidence for this? Where is the proof
and evidence of the afterlife?
Quran was initially passed down by word of mouth before it was
ever written. What proof and guarantee you have that it contains
the exact words that were professed other than your blind biased
faith.?
Ans.
You have asked three Big Questions and all of them cannot be answered fully in such
short space. I will only give you short answers:
A. Mankind makes the assumption that Creator is in the image of Man:
Image does not always mean physical shape. Creator is unlike any of His Creations
(which is very reasonable)….Creator is not made of Material body as men (Because
he created Matter also)….So this image is not in real but allegorical sense…..that is
humans also have some very imperfect notions of some of Creators attributes….like
Knowledge, Wisdom, Reason, Mercy etc.
B. Evidence of After Life:
When we see that people doing good and following straight path are not always
rewarded in this life….and many persons doing wrong things and cheating and killing
and persecuting people live lives of luxury and get no punishment in this life……
shows us that there must be a court in which all these wrongs will be corrected.
When every thing in this universe is controlled, why there is no control on human
actions….these thoughts lead us to necessity of an after life…..and when we get
confirmation from Prophets of God that indeed there is an after life….it adds to our
faith and providers confirmation.
C. Quran, Oral or written:
It is correct that Quran was revealed orally to our prophet (because he did not knew
how to read or write)…..but once it was revealed to him, he immediately informed it
to his followers.
Then he would call one of his scribe and ask him to write it down….then he will ask
his scribe to read it to him (to confirm that he has done it correctly).
Then the Quran would be read in daily prayers in front of all Muslims…it took 23
years for Quran to be revealed…..thousands of his followers memorized the Quran
during his life time….Quran was read by Muslims in their nightly prayers….long
portions of it…

Within two years of prophet’s death (when thousands of his companions were still
alive), whole Quran was compiled in the form of book…..it was endorsed by all of his
companions….
The third Caliph Othman, 20 years after death of prophet had copies of the same
Quran made and distributed to all major provinces of Islamic nation.
Two of those copies still survive this day…..All Quran copies in existence match
exactly with this Quran.
I do not know of any other book, which can pass any of these tests. If Quran is not
Authentic, then NO BOOK in the World can claim authenticity!!
Q.84, who="Mea Martell"
With other words when judging in any religious matter, only those
with a vested interest in at least one religion can judge!
That to me seems like getting the wolf to guard the sheep!
Just because you believe in something does not make it true!
Ans.
You use "Standard Weight" to judge other weights?
So you must use a "Master and Well guarded Scripture" to judge other scriptures as to
how far they were corrupted or manipulated.
And the LATEST version of any law, superseded all previous laws on the same issue.
It is reasonable and logical and without any bias.
Q.85, who="AG"
1. thank for your respond MUQ, I'm not shy to say something I
really believe, but I think this thing has some wrong
conceptions, for Muslims who were born as Muslims like us ( and
in the case of no compulsion in religion ) they have no any
chance to think seriously about their religion , they have to
accept it without thinking and if they have some doubts they'll
just hide them . they'll just stay as hypocrites . And that's won't
give any strength to Islam.
Ans.
Thank you for your post.

In fact Islam is so logical and so reasonable and no tuned to human nature…. That it
looks so strange that people will be having second thought after being a Muslims to
change their faith after they become Muslims.
The problem is most Muslims do not study their own religion and at the same time
have no knowledge about other religions too.
They just follow mechanically what they see their parents doing and their Islam is that
much deep.
Theologically speaking, every Muslim has 15 years to study about Islam and justify
his or her position. If he or she has any doubt about Islam and wants to denounce it, it
should be done when they come of age, there would be no blame on them and they
would be at par with those who are born Non Muslims.
In fact it is Islam’s challenge and that is what I am also saying that if any one can
prove that their religion or their system is better than Islam, then I am prepared myself
to accept that system.
But these days people do not attack islam openly (those days have passed for ever)…
they make tangent attack on Islam.
They cite acts of misguided Muslims as Islamic acts and then choose these acts to
malign Islam.
This is a very wrong approach. First they should know what are Islamic teachings or
any issue and prove that they are harmful or detrimental to human society.
The actions of Muslim can only be taken as proof when no Islamic teaching is
available on that issue. Not only Islam, this rule is applicable for every other religion
also. Actions of followers of any religion cannot be taken as proof of rightness or
wrongness of that religion.
The Quranic verse you have quoted is very correct and timely reminder to All
Muslims…. That they have to turn back to Islam if they want to change their
condition.
Q.86, Who=pete-O
Search without bias, done that. I searched without bias and looked
at as many religions as I reasonably could. I saw a similar construct
to them all, most bronze age beliefs born of superstition not backed
up by scientific evidence. Show evidence of Allah going to heaven
on a winged horse.
2)I agree many things are outside the purview of science. However,
your claim of a "soul" existing can not be met with any statement of

fact. Please define mesmerism. I need more info to comment on the

rest of this point.
Ans.
Many things you have written in your post are true and show that you are open
minded and you are soft spoken and you are reasonable.
Such traits are rare (at least on Topix threads!!).
There is a lot of misconnection in the society about religion and let me say it is due to
duplicity, hypocrisy and actions of those who hold high positions in religious
hierarchy.
Church has been specially brutal in middle ages to force people to its beliefs and to
stifle progress of science and knowledge.
The present Materialistic society and concept we see in Europe and America is a
reaction to that sufferings.
People is rejecting Church and its teachings, also rejected every other religion and
religious concepts, thinking that it will also be like Church teachings and like
Christianity.
But if the attitude of Church was wrong, so is the attitude of Modern society. They
went to one extreme and they went to another extreme. While the middle path was
the most appropriate and logical.
In Islam, we give due regard to human intelligence and what he can do using that
intelligence. Science is a study of nature and finding HOW things are working in
nature. In fact WHY would GOD be offended, if humans find HOW things are
working in nature?
Science is a also a Gift given by God to humans, He gave us eyes, ears, and brain to
think and ponder on nature and HOW they work!! In Quran there are many verses
that describe these natural phenomenon and ask humans to think about them.
But there is a constructive thinking and there is a destructive thinking. In constructive

thinking we use this nature and its intricacies to marvel at the Power, mercy and
Wisdom of our Creator…..and in destructive thinking we use whatever small
knowledge we gather to PROVE that there is no God and He does not exist….etc.
Unfortunately most of modern day scientists are supporting the destructive thinking
and have taken a unified stand against the concept of God and religion…. This
attitude is harmful for human society and it would lead to their destructions.
My position is to help make a sort of bridge between the two extremes.\
There is no real conflict between science and religion, there spheres are different from
each other.

Science deals with material world and cause and affect, religions deal with laws and
ways to live our lives in accordance with the laws and guidance given by our Creator
and fulfill purpose of our lives.
There is no real conflict between the two.
Q.87, who="Captcanuck"
Science has answers you just don't like them as it conflicts with
your religious belief.
A theory on why the big bang occurred has been given by the
scientists you just don't like it.
Your weak argument that nothing comes out of existence by itself
as you say then how did God come about? He is an exception to
your rule?
A supreme being is a religious belief not a fact.
Gravity is a fact.
Ans.
I have no qualms in accepting any thing which is an established fact of science.
My religion is the most scientific of all so called religions present in the world today.
What is science but to explore the nature and universe and find out how things are
working? Finding any truth will have no affect on our religion, because our God asks
us to ponder on nature and Universe and find out how they are working.
What we object and are not ready to accept are the “half cooked theories” of scientists
to explain something about which they have no proof or knowledge, just pure
speculation based on very insufficient data.
Such theories are non scientific at all and are against principles of science itself.
For example science does not deal with Non Materialistic things and cannot deny
their non existence. It has to keep quite on such issues, because they are outside its
purview.
Everything else except God is Created and God alone is the one who is Uncreated.
This is not an unscientific belief, because every process has to has a start and God is
the source of all Creation. So you cannot apply human logics to the personality of
God.
I believe that Science and religion can help each other and can jointly do a lot of good
to make this world a better living place.

It is a tragedy that because of atrocities of Christian Church for many centuries,

Scientists have mostly turned into atheists and reject God and religion without
thinking.
Islam had never fight with scientists and Muslim scientists were believers in God and
they did their scientific experiments. No one oppressed them, any discovery of nature
caused them joy and happiness as to find out one more proof of “Power, Wisdom and
Mercy” .
Not the scientists of our times for whom every such discovery is a “proof against
existence of God and their conquering of nature”!!
Q.88, Who=Saviour Self
Yes, I believe I mentioned that I know Islam has an inherent

respect for Jesus and considers Him a prophet. Everyone knows
what the Quran says about Jesus and His mother. When I
mentioned what Jesus would have to say about your treatment of
women.
I was referring specifically to your somewhat irrational defense of

the topic we were discussing of the gang-rape victim who was
sentenced to be publicly lashed more than TWICE the number of
times that her attackers were sentenced to be lashed, and what He
would think of your nation that has allowed itself to be so
degenerate by any standard of human decency that such a ruling
would come down from the highest court in your land.
Ans.
A. Jesus and Muslims
I wish that even 1 % of Modern day Christians KNOW what Quran says about jesus,
his mother and his mission and in which high regards Muslims hold Jesus!! That
would be the biggest achievement in 1400 years.!!
B. Punishment to the girl:
I think your needle is stuck in that case. You think (or have been made to think) that
Islam distinguishes between men and women in punishment for sexual crimes. It is
not so, the punishment for both men and women are same.
The double punishment given to the girl was because she could not prove the charges
of rape against the accused. Neither was she able to prove the case of kidnapping
against those people.
She confessed of having illegal relations with one man and then going and to meet
him in a secluded place. So she was punished for those crimes. The boys were

punished for meeting the stranger woman and were punished once. It was the matter
of evidence and not discrimination.
In your own country, O J Simpson was acquitted for lack of evidence, was it justice
for the murdered couple?
Take another case, in your society, a girl accuses some people of raping her…on
investigation it is found that this girl is a member of counterfeit gang……the
punishment for rape (in your country) is 2 years and for making counterfeit currency
is 20 years.
The charges of rape are proven against the boys but not of counterfeiting, while in the
case of girl it is proven that she indeed made counterfeit currency. The girl gets 20
years in jail and the boys 2 years in jail. Is it right to say that girl got punished 10
times more than the boys?
C. Kingdom and Diabolism:
1. If you think Kingdom is Diabolical, please convey this to Queen of England,

Canada, Australia and New Zealand!!. Say that to King of Spain and so many other
kings in the world.
2. In my view there is nothing diabolical in Kingdom. What is needed is a just ruler

who has faith of his people. The one who cares for his people.
3. Any system which elects and re-elects Terrorists and Liars like George W Bush s
and Tony Blair s is in need of drastic overhaul!! You first perfect your democracy
and then preach others for its “heavenly bliss”.
Q.89, Who=Think
From your text then as what you wrote Allah is a man. You called
Allah- He and HIMSELF. So it is then possible from the Quran since
the Quran states Allah is a man, that it could very well be that Allah
does have a begotten Son, Since Allah awards virgins to those that
fight for His cause. It appears Allah is sexually active in heaven as
the Quran reveals.
Ans.
Allah is neither a Man, nor a Woman. Allah is free from any sex related things. This
male and female issues are for humans and not for Allah.
As to your question, why Allah is always addressed in masculine gender and not in
feminine gender….well you should know that in Arabic, there is no “neutral
gender”….things are either Masculine of Feminine gender.
For example, Table is feminine gender and the Chair is Masculine gender!!.....This is
the language and we should respect it.

So Allah could have been either addressed as Masculine or as a feminine ….. so the
same question would arise, if feminine gender was used. To use once as a masculine
and at other time as feminine would be more complex.
That is why Allah chose to address Him in Masculine gender and the same thing is
followed in Biblical books and all other past scriptures also (if my knowledge is
correct).. Allah knows best.
Allah having a son, is itself ridiculous, because He is Unique and there is none like
Him. Why should He have a Son? Why does He need a Son?
In case of humans , we need sons and daughters so our race survives and these sons
and daughters are help to us in our old age and in our needs. Allah is free from all
such defects. So saying that Allah Begot a Son….is a curse and blasphemy against
Allah.
As to Allah rewarding believers with virgins in the hereafter….is for their enjoyment
and not for Allah
Q.90, Who=Nauchandi
It is not having the patience to discuss the issue!

It is because the discussions always start as Allah believes and they
become preaching sessions and the like,
It does not continue as a discussion because once the non muslim

says anything as to but why, the following comment is "because
Allah says"! That is then not a discussion of your words it is a
discussion of the non muslim and the other person reciting quotes
at a non believer?
Where other religions are saying god will lead the way IF you
believe! Muslims are saying if you don’t follow you will suffer!
Hence the difference between the brainwashing of the 2,
one of them- is IF you go , The other is- You must go!
Obviously the Christian cult started 2000 yrs ago and it had its
discrepancies and then 600 years into Christianity someone has
come up with a different avenue that instead of saying If you
believe god will lead the way
They started Islam saying that you must believe OR ELSE!

Has anyone ever considered this, as the reason that islam is 1400
yrs old and Christianity is 2000 yrs old!
Ans.

This is not the way to discuss about religion that you become prosecutor, judge, jury
and executioner your self!!
The proper way to discuss about any religion is first to verify their scriptures, their
authenticity and their fundamental article of faith and check how far they are derived
from those scriptures.
Then we should discuss how reasonable are those article of faith and do we find them
in other scriptures also.
In your post you have muddled every thing and framed charges against Islam and then
given your own verdict and condemned it as a false religion.
This is not the way, and that is why is aid that it is difficult to find even one person on
this thread who can carry out serious discussion.
Their knowledge about their own religion is very little and about other religion is next
to nothing!! They just frame charges from hearsay and present them as their scholarly
proofs.
Your post is also like this, and how can I respond to such posts?
Q.91, Who=Think
But see there is no teaching about what sin is against GOD.

What is sin? does sin offend God? You say be a muslim for what?
Non-muslims do good deeds just the same as muslims. Christians
pray to GOD. So why be a muslim?
Ans.
Any willful action or thought against any Law, commandment, or instructions of God
or His true messengers is called Sin in Islamic jurisprudence.
Any one committing sin, should repent and turn back and pray to Allah for
forgiveness and resolve not to repeat it……that is repentance. If he has wronged
someone or taken his property, he should restore it or make peace and forgiveness
from that person.
This is Islamic idea of sin and repentance.
Just doing good deeds are not enough….both faith and good deeds are needed to be a
good Muslim or a good servant of God.
That was the teaching of all prophets of God and even Jesus….before this Paul of
your came and removed the “good deed” part from it and made it one legged standing
on only Faith and believe!!
And that has hade his followers looking down on “deeds” part of their religion. They
only have to BELIEVE and every thing will be OK for them.

Q 92, who="HughBe"
BMZ or MUQ
What is the meaning of RAISE YOU in the passage below?
3:55 [Mention] when Allah said, "O Jesus, indeed I will take you and
raise you to Myself and purify you from those who disbelieve and
make those who follow you [in submission to Allah alone] superior
to those who disbelieve until the Day of Resurrection. Then to Me is
your return, and I will judge between you concerning that in which
you used to differ
Ans.
BMZ has already given you the answer. I agree with him, that we should take ALL
the verses of Quran and Authentic Prophetic sayings before we try to understand
meaning of these verses.
Quran confirms that Jesus did not die on the cross (4:157) and God “raised him up
unto Himself” (4:158) (In fact same Arabic World RAFA used in both places).
There are many Authentic and reliable prophetic sayings, telling that Jesus shall
descend to earth, very close to “End of Time”.
So seen in this light the Arabic Word “TUAFFI” (which really means to take full
control and is used for death in allegorical senses at many places in Quran also) ,
would not mean that it should be taken as proof that Jesus died on this earth (if not on
cross , then after some time).
So in this Quranic Verses (Just before Jews came to capture Jesus and referring to the
Night Scene as depicted in Gospel of Luke…..when Jesus prayed to God for help
….and an angel appeared to strengthen him Luke 22:43. ….)
Luke did not record what Angel told Jesus, Apparently this Quranic verse is saying
what Angel Told to Jesus (as a message from God):
God (through that Angel) Told Jesus:
1. O Jesus, I am taking you into my Control (No harm will come to you).
2. I will raise you up to heaven (in body and spirit).
3. I will purify your name and honor from what false charges, your enemies are
putting on you.
4. I will see to it that people who follow you (Christians and Muslims afterwards)
shall always be superior and have power and strength over those who are rejecting
you (mainly Jews). (That is in this world)

5. And I will make the final settlement of your dispute, when all of you shall come to
me in the Hereafter.
You can see, how EACH and EVERY of this message was proven true in past 2000
years. It also proves a prophesy of Quran:
Was it only a “Lucky Guess” by Prophet Mohammad that Muslims shall always Out
Number Jews and shall always be more powerful than them!!
Q.93, Who= Good Fairy
I HAVE A QUESTION'S FOR YOU? I love Beer-sheva after all that is

Abraham's right?
Why did Abraham marry his beloved Hagar, if he did not want all his
children to share in Israel/Palestine?
Seems to me only the CONVERT Zionist are against "Jews and

Muslims" who are both the rightful owners of the land together
right?
Did you know that the ZIONIST are CONVERTS? Did you know that
CONVERT ZIONIST abuse persecute hate blood Jews inside of the
Community because they are Semitic in race?
Ans.
Here are answers for ALL your questions!!
A. Abraham and His Family
Prophets of God are least interested in colonizing uncharted lands…..they think much
above these levels….their only aim is to propagate the message they have received
from God to as wide and as far it can be spread.
That is what Prophet Abraham did, he settled one branch of his family (Ishmael) in
Arabia so that whole Peninsula of Arab and Yemen may receive God’s message.
And he settled another branch of his family (Isaac) in the land of Syria and Palestine,
to spread the message of God in that religion. And these two were the strategic places
in those times for world’s major trade routes between Asia and Africa.
And he sent his nephew Lot to the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah for the same
purpose.
Whole life of Prophet Abraham was spent in the service of God and he is role model
for all those who follow Monotheistic religion. In Quran he is described as “Friend of

Allah” and that title was not given to him “just for being ready to sacrifice his son” as
described in Bible.
B. Ishmael and Isaac:
It is people who have made Ishmael and Isaac as each other’s adversary…in reality
there was not the least amount of animosity or jealousy amongst these righteous
prophets of God.
They were blood brothers as well as brothers in prophet hood.
C. On Zionists:
You could be right that these Zionist Jews are converted Jews. There is nothing
wrong in any one to convert to a true religion and we should not hold that against
them.
But this Zionist philosophy is wrong, it is based on wrongs to be committed to other

people. It is irrespective if its followers are true Jews,. Converted Jews or fake Jews.
Someone told me that most of Zionists are indeed Christians who are brainwashed by
few Zionists Jews. It is these Christian Zionists who are the backbone of this Zionist
movement.
They do all “dirty works” for their jewish Zionists….they provide Money, Arms,
Political Lobbying and every other things required by Jewish Zionists.
There are thousands of ‘Weird Christian Churches” who are full time busy in
preaching the message of Zionism and collecting and distributing aid to Zionists in
Israel.
HAGEE is one of those Weird Christian Zionist in USA.
Q.94, Why preach religion on a scientific thread?
Ans.
Some people might think that it is not “ethical” to preach religion on a Thread that
deals with Evolution, but the way these BTOE fellows are behaving at the mention of
after life, takes my mind back to 1400 years at the time when our prophet was
delivering his message to his fellow country men in Makkah.
There is a strange similarity in the attitudes and objections of those Pagan Makkah
people and our Highly Intelligent and Scientifically trained BTOE Blind followers.
Many or let me say that majority of objection which present day BTOE followers are
raising against Allah, Prophet, Quran and After life were also raised by those people
steeped in ignorance and not having any knowledge of modern science.

In fact this is an argument against BTOE itself!! That humans have not evolved a bit
in these 1400 years!
A. Basic Tenets of Faith:
When our prophet started his mission, he concentrated on the Three Basic Tenets of
faith and these were:
1. Absolute Unity of Creator and His Right for exclusive Worship:
2. The office of Prophethood and its position.
3. The concept of After life and Individual accountability before Creator.
The prophet faced stiff opposition from unbelievers on all the three basic tenets. In
fact the whole 13 years of prophet’s life in Makkah were spent in educating and
arguing and debating people on these points.
Most of Quranic chapters and verses revealed in Makkah deal with these three
subjects one way or the other.
Out of these three, Makkah people did have a sort of belief in their Creator, Cherisher
and their Lord, which they knew by the word Allah. The only question was His right
to be worshipped and followed exclusively. There was no dispute on the existence of
Creator in those days.
The concept of Prophethood was new to them, and they thought that any prophet
should be amongst the leaders of tribe or some one with lot of wealth and worldly
power. They had less regard for the values of virtues and noble life which our
prophet led. But some how or the other they could be convinced to the office of
prophet hood.
But the thing which amazed them most and was the subject of much merriment and
amusement was this idea of after life.
a. Once we are dead and our bones are made as dust, will we and all our forefathers
will be raised up and give our account?
b. How is it possible for any dead man to come to life again?
c. We have never seen it happening
d. When this will happen? Tell us the day and Time
e. Why does he not bring us any proof? Why cant he bring our great grandfather back
from dead and testify that prophet is speaking the truth.
f. Why we also cannot see angels of God and why they do not speak to us also? At
least let the prophet bring some angel to walk with him.

Quran patiently listened to their objections and provided answers to all of them which
will convince any reasonable and right thinking mind.
What I find amusing is that our BTOE fellows are putting on the same objections after
1400 years, there is hardly any new objection and even if it seems a new objection, it
is merely in changing the order of words or use some jargon phrase.
I see our BTOE stalwarts asking us:
a. To show us God and His Angels.
b. To bring proof and evidence that After life exists.
c. To bring back any one from dead and let him testify that after life is true.
In addition they use abusive and insulting words for me, I must admit that they are not
as strong or as absurd as which Makkah people used against our prophet.
If I write a monograph listing all the objections which Makkah people raised on our
prophet and Quran and Life after death and match with what our present day BTOE
stalwarts are saying, we will find strange similarities between the two!!
What does it prove? The falsehood uses the same arguments and same armaments
against the truth. The stand of falsehood against truth is always the same.
So the proponents of falsehood should face the same punishment in hereafter,

irrespective of which age they belong to!!
Q.95, Why Revelation is a Source of Knowledge?
Ans.
Now some one has objected as to why I have included revelation as the one of the
three sources of knowledge. Let me clarify my stand.
There are three types of happenings in this world:
A. To know truth about any Past or present event on this earth:
B. To verify truth about any Scientific Discovery
C. To know truth about any future event:
Let us see, the role and dependability of revelation in all these cases:
A. Knowing truth about any past or present event:
a. This is the age of information technology and the age of thousands of dedicated 24
hours News Channels, so much so that many people fail to realize importance of
certain basic facts.

b. The truth of any event happening is the Eye Witness account. Every news that we
hear must be traced to an eye witness that observed it. The dependability and
authenticity of any news depends on the authenticity and accuracy of eye witness.
c. That is why we see that many times these news channels report “false news” for
which they have to apologize afterwards. This is because they did not check or verify
their “eye witness” and reported from hearsay.
d. Similarly for any event that happened in the past, the primary source is the eye
witness who saw that event. That man may transmit the information to others either
in verbal form or in written form.
e. The accuracy of any past event depends upon the accuracy of those who transmitted
it from eye witness verbally and / or the accuracy or authenticity of the original
written account.
f. Other writings which are not based on eye witness account come in the category of
“Creative writings” or “creating history” or “Historical fictions”.
g. It can be seen that human evidence and recording system suffers from many defects
and it is almost impossible to have a 100 % correct information for any past or present
event, if we examine minutely the available evidence.
h. Then there is a direct source of information, in which God the Creator of Universe,
who is Omnipresent and Omniscient; informs the true position of any past and present
event to His chosen messenger. This is direct line of Communication, in which there
is no error. The Source is error free, the carrier is error free and the recipient is error
free!! That is why revelation is the most reliable source to know the truth about any
past or present event.
B. Scientific Experiments:
a. The basic source is the person who does that experiment. He records his findings in
form of a book or monograph for other to check and verify. This is true for each and
every scientific discovery, law, postulate and every thing.
b. When other people check and verify, that experiment or discovery becomes fact
and law for others to follow. If I write a chemical equation by my own, even if it
looks 100 % OK and well balanced , it will not be truth, unless it is performed in a
laboratory!!
c. It is by this mean that science has reached to its present condition. Without
following these basic principles there would have been no progress at all!!.
d Revelation usually does not interfere in these matters, but in some cases God in His
infinite mercy, does provide some hints for humans!! Or mentions the end result in
advance!! Therefore revelation is a source of guidance in many such cases.
C. Future Events: Now what is the rule to predict any future event?

a. There is no fixed rule, if it is a purely mechanical matter, science by observing

present condition can predict that such and such thing will happen at such and such
time (like times of sun rise and suns set, time of high and low tides, times for lunar
and solar eclipses etc).
b. If it is not in that clause, then people just predict because of their whims and fancies
and based on the available data.
c. Some times the prediction could be right and many times they are wrong. Like
some one predicted in 1790 that Britain has coal left only for 25 years!! Or some one
predicted in 1980 s that Saudi Arabia has oil reserves that will last for 30 years at the
most!!
d. Most predictions that are made by “scientists” have proven to be wrong, because it
is not their field.
e. the people most active in predicting future are astrologers, Sooth Sayers, spiritual
doctors, palmists and many such fields. None of these are reliable and if one is
proven true then 99 will be proven wrong.
f. Revelation is the only reliable source for predicting any future event. Because the
source of this info is Creator, whose knowledge of Past, present and future is Perfect.
That is why I say that there are only three sources of Knowledge:
A. Personal Knowledge or Eye witness knowledge.
B. Acquired knowledge, thru books written by original experimenter or original

eye witness.
C. Revelation send by God Al Mighty to His Chosen Prophet or messenger.
And that is why in Quran, Allah rebukes those “Who dispute regarding Allah, without
knowledge, guidance or Perspicuous Book”!!
Q.96, What happens when “Big” people die?
Ans.
We see when all these Powerful People die
-Some of them are Titled as His Holiness (Popes and other High Dignitaries of
Church) …
-Some as Your Royal Highness (Kings and Queens)
-Some as Your Highness (Presidents and heads of states)
-Some as Your Excellencies (Ambassadors and Ministers etc. )

-Some as Your Lord (Chief justices , Judges and others in legal system).
- Some as Three, Four, Five, Six or Seven Star Generals (Chiefs of Army and other
High Military ranks)
Many of these people are buried with lots and lots of pomp and show, rows upon rows
of mourners…country flags at half masts…..guns saluting the departed soul …
eulogies in News Papers and TV and many other things.
But did nature made any efforts or any special treatments for these people when they
were born or during their life on this earth? No
A. Birth:
They were all conceived in the normal way, by sexual act between their “real” father
and mother.
They all grew up in their mother’s womb, like any other human child, getting the
same nourishment.
They were all born in the same natural way and getting the same feed (their mother’s
milk).
Their inside systems were same as any other human child, they breathed same air,
drank same water and their digestive , respiratory and other systems were just same.
They all had same body parts, two hands, two legs, two eyes, two ears, etc….
Even though they were born in different countries, some in poor and some in rich
families, but their similarities as child are much more than their differences due to
these reasons.
B. Special Gifts:
Some of these may have more mental or physical powers than average human
children, but it is not easy to quantify these qualities at birth and get certain
knowledge about this.
There is nothing much to differentiate between these future “Super Men” and Normal
men before, during and after birth.
Each of them comes empty handed, with natural gifts of six senses and a thinking
mind and a “Bank balance of So many Days of Life on this earth”!!
Nothing else is given to a human Child at Birth!!
C. Learning and Programming:

As these children grow up, they are programmed and educated by their parents,
schools, their societies and their environment.
They use these and based on their own mind power and their reasoning power and
their energies, they build up their carrier on this earth.
D. Choices, Choices and Choices every where:
When they start their struggle, they find choices at every stage. Based on their
attitude and reasoning, they choose which path to take.
Using their reasoning power and concentrating their energies they chose to the levels
of Your Holiness, Your Majesties, Your Highness and Other exalted positions as
applicable.
Many of these people misuse their powers and are causes of suffering, murder and
injustices to scores of other humans. If they chose they could have become upright,
honest and kind people so as to protect virtues and become shining examples of good
ness on this earth.
Some other humans chose to become Terrorists, Propagators of Hate, bullies and
rapists, murderers, robbers and some other choose to become honest, upright people,
devoting their lives for the services of their Creator and for the welfare of other
humans.
E. Should the end of all people become same:
When we see so much difference in the acts done by these humans, when nature gave
them no preference at birth. Should it not call to account these people for what they
did with the time period they have on this earth?
That is why death is ordained for every one…to equalize them!! As they were born
equal….in the same way they die as equal.
When they die….all their pompous titles are stripped away and they appear empty
handed common mortal to give account for their deeds.
Now the only currency acceptable is what they have done on this earth….not wealth,
nor power and nor any nationality, color of skin, language and advancement in
science and technology.
The outer skin of body (wealth, position and social status) is stripped away and they
stand with what they have earned.
Q.97,
Why are those the only two options? Where is the option that says
that our good and bad deeds outlive us in the memories of those we
affected? That those results have ramifications for our offspring and
other relatives?

Why must someone be punished or rewarded for the sum of their

good and bad acts? Why can't one's punishment be a life lived as a
disliked asshole because of their bad acts, or a life lived with friends
and family who like the person because of their good acts? Why
can't one's life of misery be punishment enough? Why can't one's
life of happiness be reward enough? Because you have a demand
for something more?
Ans.
I only want to comment on only two “sensible” points which were posted to me:
1. Why is it necessary for any one to be punished for bad deeds? ….their miserable
life on this earth is enough punishment…..
a. If every evil doer was leading a miserable life….there was some truth in this logic.
b. But it is a fact that many evil doers lead a luxurious life……many are even revered
by their followers and many end their life in pomp and show.
c. There are evil doers, whom the people and army defend with all their might, so that
they will evade “the fruits of their evildoings”.
c. Yet on the other hand, the thousands and even millions of their victims have no
recourse to the justice. No one hears their voice, they are even fired upon if they
demand justice….
d. How can we say, that the “miserable” life of evil doers is enough punishment for
their deeds.
e. Reverse is also true for doers of good.
f. If this universe is running on laws and regulations, how come there is no rule on
these things? It is illogical to say, that every thing else in the world is regulated ,
except the consequences of what a man does or fails to do in his life time.
g. This is not my “personal demand”…..left to me, I will be most happy, if there was
no answering for my deeds, but this is not according to my choice. It is a fact which
we are told.
2. Our Good deeds or bad deeds outlive us in he memories of those affected:
a. This is a very feeble option. How it affects the perpetrators of crimes, if people
hate or love him after he is dead?

b. Then there are many whose evil deeds are hidden by their position (like GWB,
Cheney and Blair). The nation is at their back to protect them and there are people
who also glorify them.
c. As for having ramifications for our offspring and relative, this is a very illogical
option too. Why to punish some one else for the crimes of others?
d. Therefore this option is also not logical or reasonable.
The third option as revealed by our Creator is that , He has fixed a day, on which
every soul that lived on this earth, shall be resurrected and on that day, Justice shall be
done to every evildoer and Rewards shall be given to every doers of Good.
This is a very reasonable and logical option and this is the only option, because it is
confirmed by revelation from our Creator and we have no choice in it!!
Q.98, What is proof of life after death?
Ans.
Proof of after life
Now these people have asked me proof of after life.
A. What can be the proofs for a thing which is not materialistic?
1.If we want to say that nothing which is non materialistic does not exist, then I have
nothing more to say, and leave people to believe that our conscience, our feelings of
hate, love, thirst, hunger, fear, etc hundreds of thousands of things do not exist at all.
2. To prove things which are not material and in spiritual world, we need to prove it
by reason, logic and when we are convinced that indeed such a scheme has no logic
flaw and is probable, the confirmation is to be supplied by Revelation form God Al
Mighty, if the thing be so important that it needs revelation.
B. Case for Hereafter:
1. Now the case of After life is very strong, because we do see humans with virtually
unlimited powers over every thing else on this planet including other humans.
2.These powers are not available to any other species of the world or our known
universe.
3. Then we see that some humans use these powers in good sense and do a lot of good
to their fellow humans and humanity at large. These people despite doing good do
not always get their due reward and / or recognition while they live on this earth.
4. On the other hand we find people doing evil. They swindle millions, some times
they kill millions and show extreme cruelty to a large number of people of their own
country or to a different cultural, racial or linguistic background.

5. Human justice system and human prejudices are such that many people even
support these evil doers. They spend their life in luxury and in palaces and are
guarded day and night by their armies and country folks.
6. Their pomp and position make them immune form all human made laws, so they
are never called to account.
7. There are crimes, which cannot be punished in this life, because of limitation of
human life itself.
8. There is no human designed system which can either punish the guilty or reward
the doers of good fully, irrespective of what ever we try.
C. Need for hereafter:
1. So, the reason, the logic and the justice and mercy demands that there should be a
place and time where all the accounts could be settled and humans be made
answerable to a higher authority for what they did. Neither poor should be asked to go
away, neither the powerful have any distinction in that court.
2. This court is therefore only possible in Hereafter and not in this world.
3. So there is no logical absurdity, or error is believing that there should be a hereafter

for this purpose.
D. Final Proof:
1. All this was pure reason, now the Confirmation comes from Revelation from God
that Hereafter Indeed exist and there is a Last day where every one will give his or
account before their Creator.
2. This is the Final proof!! QED!!
Q.99,
I had expected that people on this thread will have high IQ.
After seeing their jargon language on this thread and use of so

many scientific terms, impresses any one about the intelligence of
these fellows.
But this intelligence is only skin deep...scratch the surface and you
find the same Blind Faith and Blind rejection to any logic.
After accepting that man should be accountable to his good or bad

deeds.....our BTOE fellows close the case when the person is dead.

WTC Hijackers....passengers in those planes....those who died in

WTC collapse.....and millions who died in its aftermath in Iraq and
Afghanistan....all met the same sticky end.
They all are DEAD and end of matter!!
Ans.
Let us go back to our bones and teeth and discover some new "forgotten" link to trace
humans and apes!!
Can any one call such people as intelligent or those who have foresight or those who
use their brains and reasoning power?
How could victim and Oppressor become equal? What is the logic in it?
No, No we do not want any logic, what we want to see is seeing those people coming
to life with our own eyes , when they are dead....
That wish will also be granted, the moment their physical eyes will close.
But that will be not the time for believing or accepting....that will be the time to give
account of your deeds!!
PS:
See these "honest" BTOE fellows spreading "truth" about me that my postings on
scribd are for "money"!!
If I demand any proof or evidence for the "money" I received, they will say that "It is
not for us to bring any proof, we are BTOE believers, how can we lie...It is only for
backwards and barbaric people like yours to bring proof and evidence"
Full Body scan is real fun!!
I do not know why any sane man or woman should object to it.
The only "pity" is that naked body parts are visible only to "those dumb cops" who
may or may not have sense of beauty!!
In fact the pictures from Full Body Scan should be displayed on Big Screen at
strategic locations thru out the Airport.
Why leave the pleasure only to those "dumb Cops"!!
And those scans should not be in black and white, it should be in natural colors!!
And if the "culprits" sorry I mean the passengers are asked to remove their clothes in
a strip tease fashion and the pictures displayed on the Big Screen TV s it would
lighten up the "dead" atmosphere we see so common on Airports.

I already advised that people should travel NAKED in Airplanes and Public
Transports....but so far there are not many takers of this idea.
May be in a decade it would become a Norm.
Clothes are the worst invention of mankind. It were clothes that gave rise to those
cursed suicide bombers and drug peddlers.
Down with the clothes, the sooner the better!!
Q.100, Why life after death is so important for humans?
Ans.
How right I was about that simile of people riding a boat that is going to fall into
"Niagara Falls" discussing and arguing about the cloud, weather, color of their ties!!
They know or seem to know, what happened 10 billion ago to a particular part of this
Universe and what will happen to a particular part 10 million years from now.
But what they DO NOT KNOW and Do NOT CARE TO KNOW as to what will
happen to THEM after a few Decades, when they are dead!!
They think that when they will actually fall into "Niagara Falls" only then they will
decide “WHAT WE SHOULD HAVE DONE BEFORE WE FELL!!”
This is the sum total of all these BTOE fellows arguments.
Have any of their scientific discoveries brought to them even 1 mm closer to knowing
what is their purpose of life? No and they never can or will.
That is not the scope of Science at all. Even if they devote their whole life into that
research, they will not get a correct answer.
So they should devote some time to find out what is real purpose of their lives and do
not neglect it.
Even if Evolution is fact, it will not answer the basic question, what is purpose of their
lives.
Some one who created even their finger prints individual and separate from each
other, will not be that unmindful of what they do on this earth.
balanced approach to every thing is the hall mark of Islam and that is the term these
people are so allergic to!!

Chapter-4 Islam-2
(On Laws and customs and practices)

Q.101, How do Muslims Honor Jesus?
Ans.
This question was posed to me on one of TOPIX thread, since the matter is of general
interest, I would share it with people of all threads I visit.
A. How do we Honor Any one?
1. Best and most natural way to honor anyone is to freely accept his God given
talents, gifts and actions. It should be done with open heart and open mind and with
no selfish aims.
2. Feeling jealous of some one’s Talents. Gifts and Position and / or to reduce his real
importance is dishonoring him.
3. In the same way, to praise some one over and above his actual Position, Talent or
Gifts comes under sycophancy and it is not really honoring him, but insulting him.
4. As an example, if some one is Vice President of a MNC, to honor him would be to

say that “Mr. Such and Such is holding a very important position of Vice President in
this esteemed MNC and he has many persons reporting to him….his rise has been due
to his skill and hardwork etc…..” these words are honoring such a man.
5. One way of dishonoring him would be to say, that he holds a very junior position in
a very small company, or to hint that he got that position thru questionable
means…..this shows that we are jealous of him and want to hide his real worth.
6. Another way of dishonoring would be , if we say that “Mr. Such and Such is
President of this MNC….” .this is indeed insulting him and might lose him his job in
MNC (if the REAL President came to know about this and were to know that the Vice
President did not correct the person, he may even fire this VP).
7. So we have to be honest and balanced when honoring some one. We should stay
away from exaggeration and diminishing his position at the same time. It seems easy
to say, but not so easy to practice.
B. Jesus’ Position in this world:
There are three type of people in this world as for as Jesus is concerned:
1. Jesus Neutral:
This includes Hindus, Buddhists, Sikhs and people of other non Semitic religions.. ,
for them the name jesus has no religious significance.
They have no concern with Jesus in their religious life. They are really Jesus Neutral
people. They may speak well about jesus, not as a religious duty, but from a
humanitarian point of view and for better relations with neighbours.

2. Anti Jesus:
This group includes Jews for the most part. They reject Jesus and his mission. They
reject his virgin birth, they put false charges on his Mother Mary for Jesus’
birth….they refuse to acknowledge that he was a Messiah.
They refuse to accept that jesus was a True Prophet and Messenger of Allah…..in fact
they insult Jesus in every way imaginable in religious sense.
3. Pro- Jesus:
This includes mainly Christians and Muslims, let us discuss each other’s stand and see
who is actually honoring him and who is guilty of exaggeration.
A. Christian’s view point about Jesus:
Christians say that:
a. Jesus was a Begotten Son of God (Begotten not made as their article of faith says,
what this means, I do not know).
b. Jesus is One in Trinity with God. He is the second Person in the Holy Trinity. He
is full God and equally Powerful as his Father. There is no way in which we can say
that Jesus is inferior to God.
c. Jesus died on the Cross … he rose from the dead on third day and absolved the sins
of Adam and Eve and whole human race…..
d. Now his followers have to only believe in his death and resurrection and they shall
be redeemed. They do not have to follow any Law or any code of conduct for
salvation.
These are revolutionary ideas in the annals of Religious History of the Semitic
religion. These are assertions which no prophet or messenger of old ever claimed.
If the claim is so big, then we should have equally powerful evidence to prove the
claim. But when we look at the evidence, we find that jesus did not claim any of these
things himself in so many words.
What proof they have is from some allegorical verses from the Gospel of John and
mostly from Paul’ writings.
This Paul never met Jesus during his life time, and he never learned anything directly
from jesus or his chosen disciples. In his letters he seldom quotes any thing from
Jesus….how can we take the unsupported words of Paul for such big claims.
So from above it is clear that Christians have exaggerated the position of jesus and
have gone to the other extreme of jews.

They do not really honor jesus but try to make him Small in the eyes of God his
Creator.
B. Muslims’ position about Jesus:
Muslims stay in the middle path between Jews and Christians, they neither reject nor
exaggerate his position: Muslims believe that:
a. Jesus was one of the Mightiest Messengers of God.
b. He was born thru a special miracle of God, to virgin Mary without any male
intervention.
c. He showed many miracles thru the Power Given by God to him.
d. He came to reform the jewish religion, which had become too ritualistic at that
time, by introducing into it moral principles.
e. His enemies wanted to kill him, but God saved him from them and took him bodily
into heaven and he shall come back to earth near the end of time.
All of these assertions are confirmed by Gospels and are in conformation to what is
told by prophets and messengers of old. These are logical and reasonable and do not
go to any extreme.
And Muslims do not believe in these things in any hypocritical way to please
Christians of our time, but it is their stand for past 1400 years, even when they had
defeated Christians in the battlefield and there was no need to pose for any such thing
C. Who really Honor Jesus?
From the above it is clear that it is only Muslims who really honor jesus, holding a
middle path, neither rejecting him nor exaggerating his position before God, the Only
and True Creator of Universe and every thing in it.
I end my post by these beautiful advices from Holy Quran to all Jews and Christians:
“O people of the Book! (i.e. jews and Christians) do not go to extremes in your
religion and do not say about God (except) what is truth. Most certainly Messiah
Christ jesus the Son of Mary was (no more than an ) Messenger of God, and His
word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him:
“So believe in God and His Messengers, and say not “Trinity”: Desist: it will be better
for ; For God is One God , glory be to Him; (far exalted is He) above having a Son: to
Him belongs all things in heaven and on earth. And enough is God as a dispenser of
affairs” (4:171)
And

“They do Blaspheme who say “God is Christ the Son of Mary” But said Christ “O
Children of Israel! Worship God, my Lord and your Lord…” (5:75)
And
“They do Blaspheme who say “God is one of the three in a Trinity” for there is no god
except One God…” (5:76)
Q.102, [QUOTE who="HughBe"]MUQ,
Based on my understanding Jews were in the millions at that time

and am I correct to interpret you to be saying that Muslims number
in the millions at that time? If so, how was it achieved?
…
I asked, has this happened meaning do Christians have power and
strength over Jews? Could you please answer.
Ans.
I will only answer two points of your post:
A. How the Prophesy was fulfilled (For Muslims):
1. The above Quranic verse was revealed in Medina and when the verse was revealed
in Medina, Muslims in Medina were “More in numbers and more in Power than Jews
of Medina”….so the IMMIDIATE fulfillment of the prophesy was achieved.
2. Then within the LIFE Time of prophet, Whole Arabia became Muslims, so the
Muslims of Arabia became more in numbers and more powerful than Jews of
Arabia….so the second stage of the prophesy was fulfilled.
3. Then within 25 years of Prophet’s death, Majority of Civilized World countries ,

Iran, Iraq, Syria, Egypt, Palestine, Jordan, Morocco, Algeria, Tunis etc became
overwhelmingly Muslim, so within a very short time after that prophesy was made,
Muslims for ever became More in numbers and more powerful than Jews in whole
world….So the prophesy was fulfilled totally.
B. How the prophesy was fulfilled for Christians:
1. . In case of Christians , within 30-40 years of death of Jesus, power of Jews was
extinguished from Palestine and very soon, followers of jesus outnumbered Jews in
Palestine and whole world and since that time, Christians have ALWAYS be more in
numbers and more powerful than Jews….
2. So this Prophesy of God to Jesus, delivered on the “very night of his arrest” was
fulfilled till the end of time!!
3. When you consider prophesy of such natures, you should consider overall picture
and time period should also be taken as a whole and not for short “bursts”.

C. Do Christians have Power over Jews of our times:
1. This is a very simple question to answer. Yes, Christians of today have More
Power over jews from any criterion.
2. In none of the Christian countries, Jews outnumber Christians.
3. Jews hold over Christians in Europe and USA, is not due to their military or moral
strength. Jews can not show any superiority over Christians in these fields.
4. Their hold is due to their intrigue and machinations. They control Media and
finances in these countries and use them to their advantage. At any stage, when
Christians are “fed up” with Jews control over them , they would show them their real
place.
5. It is Jews who are really behind these Atheistic and Anti Religious philosophies in
West. It is they who are at the back of this “free sex, and Homosexuality movement”.
If you look deep into any “amoral” movement, you will find that Jews are at the
center of it.
6. It were Christians who were instrumental in creating the Modern state of israel.
Jews on their own could never had the power or means to come back to Palestine and
establish their state here.
7. It is Christian nations who provided and still provide political, financial and
military support to Israel, whenever it is needed. So it is really Christians who created
and helped survive that state of Israel, when it was needed.
8. And the beauty is that “Christians are made to believe that they have no control
over Jews”!! This is again the same Jewish propaganda which has taken control over
minds of Christians!!
Q.103, Who=US Born
You deny Christ in favor of Mohammed. You cannot serve two

masters. Either Christ did what the Scripture says or the Scriptures
lie.
So your Allah is gathering the Jewish people for slaughter? Jews
returning to their homeland is a promise from God, not a reward.
He also promised them that the enemies who surround them will be
turned back. So far, so good.
Ans.

A. Jesus or Mohammad?
No we do not deny any prophet of God. But what we say that time of ministry of
every prophet of God is fixed. Till the time last prophet had not come, people had to
follow Jesus and there was no other way.
When prophet Mohammad came, his ministry started, now he has to be followed.
This is no insult or slighting message of Jesus. In fact Jesus himself prophesized the
coming of Last Prophet and he advised you to follow him.
Don’t you remember his saying “I have yet many things to say to you, but you cannot
bear them now, however when the Comforter, the Spirit of Truth shall come, he will
guide you into all truth…” That Comforter was no one but prophet Mohammad.
By denying prophet Mohammad, you are indeed going against the command of Jesus
and on his second coming he will chide you for it. He will prove his innocence and
show you his commands as
B. Jews for slaughter
I did not say that Jews are being gathered for slaughter. I said that if God were to
reward anyone….it should be for good deeds and walking in the ways of God.
When the modern Jews are not following God’s commands, it means that their
presence is not for any reward. The only other reason could be for chastisement.
So Jews should be aware of this and mend their ways.
You have clarified the crazy Islamic position?

That you want the Jews to be exterminated and have a picture of
Hitler in every room. You are a joke preaching your pathetic jihadist
dribble from your armchair. I got a prediction for you.
You will go to your death bed with Israel strong as ever and with
the Arab states unwilling and unable to do much of anything.
Ans.
I have given both the reason for the punishment and the causes.
I said that on those two previous occasions, Jews committed so much mischief in the
land that a severe chastisement became due.
In the first case, they killed prophets of God and worshipped false gods of pagans and
left the worship of true God.

On the second occasion, they killed one Honest Prophet of God (John the Baptist) and
tried to kill another Honest prophet of God (Jesus Christ).
On the Third occasion (which will come in future), they will again create much
mischief in the earth and shall become followers of A Very Powerful Oppressor,
Tyrant and Mischief maker (named DAJJAL in Arabic and Anti Christ in Christian
literature), so they will be chastised for the third and final time.
Where is Jew hating here? I am stating the facts and every one can see that violence ,
hate and mischief is on the rise the Jews set foot once again in the religion. Their
haughtiness and their looking down on their neighbors is visible to every one.
By the way, Hitler was not the only Tormentor of Jews….there have been many and
there will be many.
As the saying goes, “The wages of sin and inequity is humiliation and punishment in
this world and in the hereafter”.
Lord our Common God is watching and weighing our good deeds and our inequities
and He takes decisions when things go out of set limits.
After persecution by Hitler….God wanted to give some respite to these Jews…..in

hope that they might have learned. How harmful is the racism and superiority
complex of one race over other.
But it seems these “persecuted jews” did not learn any lesson from that catastrophe
and want some thing more.
As regarding your wish, I do not know if the prediction would come true during my
life time. I hope not to be subjected to that turbulent period.
But this prediction was made 1400 years ago and is recorded in our books. It was not
INVENTED after state of Israel was established in 1948!!
What I wish however, that I die as a faithful servant of God, having no malice and
hatred toward any one person or race, and I be judged amongst those who will enter
His Paradise.
Amen

Q.105, who="Dovid HaShoteh Gadol"

Perhaps your claims should read, then. "While G-d directed the
manufacture of the Ka'aba in a place that would free it from the
ravages of wars over natural resources and farming lands, it was up
to mankind to protect it's sanctity by not allowing it to become a
center for idolatry. Man's failure in this regard is one thing
Mohamed (pbuh) was sent to rectify."
Does that seem more consistent to your perspective, or am I

missing a theological point? (I am sure I could be missing
something-- as I am no scholar, and certainly not an Islamic
scholar).
Ans.
I thank you for your post and your views
I am also not an Islamic Scholar, a student and a novice to be sure.
The topic was very big and I had to condense so many things in few words (because
of character limitation on these threads).
1. God chose the site for Kaaba such as it would not cause any desire for invaders to
go there and capture it. In this way its physical structure was safe from the hands of
outsiders.
2. You are right that the real sanctity of any House of God is its Spiritual Purity from
Idols etc….but physical structure of building also counts.
3. As Kaaba was to become the “first house” on earth that was dedicated to God’
worship, its existence in physical form was also to be ensured.
4. Desecration of Kaaba by putting Idols into it, was not a very old phenomenon. For
thousands of years Kaaba remained idol free (as my subsequent posts will tell).
5. The prophet was sent to restore the original purity of Kaaba as well to make it a
Universal Direction of Prayer (Qibla in Arabic) for All nations.
Allah Knows best.
Q.106, who="Calyso"
I have a question Muq. Is it true adoption is forbidden in Islam?

Serious question.

Ans.
The question you asked is very basic and very interesting and it needs some
elaboration before we see what is Islamic view on it.
A. How “natural” relations are formed:
1. The only way relations are formed are by birth and by marriage. When you are
born, immediately you develop relationship with other people.
The womb from you came, is your mother, the one who sired you is your father.
Other boys and girls from the same parents become your brother and sisters….then
you have uncles, aunts and so many other relations.
All these come automatically the moment you are born and none of them has to be
created artificially.
2. Another type of relations arise when you get married, some one whom you did not
know becomes you wife and you get so many relations which we call in-laws.
Some of them remain in force for all times and some get dissolved when the marriage
is dissolved.
These are the “Natural” way of relations to a man or woman. In Arabic they are
called ULUL- ARHAM. (those related by RAHM or womb).
B. Can we create any relation “artificially”?
This is the basic question. If some one who has not given birth to me, will become my
“Mother” if I call her my mother?
Or will some one become my “Father” if I just start calling him my father. The same
goes for Brothers and Sisters and other relation ship.
It can be seen that these are “virtual relationships and not real”. They could easily be
dissolved at the wish and will of the person who made them. He can marry his
“sister” who not turns into his “real wife” (there are many examples of these cases in
every society)
C. What is the meaning of “Real” Adoption?
A boy and Girl born to one set of parents, gets a new set of parents by this adoption.
The question is, how can they become his real parents and how we create all those
relationships and what happens to new relationships.
A boy or girl so given to adoption, might loose his inheritance from the old parents
and relatives and one does not know it will be beneficial to him or her in the long.

Adoption of orphans is cited as the best argument for those in favor or adoption, but
orphan is not the only criterion for recommending adoption. If some one’s parents are
dead, there will be some relatives living and they are responsible to take care of him.
In Islam taking care of Orphan is one of the Best type of good deeds.
Then mostly couples who have no children, they want to adopt someone, but if after
adoption they get children of their own , then welfare of the adopted child will be
affected.
Therefore after balancing pros and cons of this adoption, Islam is not in favor of
adoption. There are many ways in which we can take care and help poors and
orphans in the society. Adopting them has its own problems.
This is what I know, Allah knows best.
Q.107, who="AG"
SALAM MUQ
I'm just not sure about this , I mean do we implement Apostasy

sentence on any ex muslim . or we just implement it against
offensive apostate who just want to be against Islam and Muslims ?
just like the apostates in the days of Abu Baker .
my opinion is :If those people leave Islam peacefully , It would be

better than stay as hypocrites between us .
Ans.

Wailukum Salaam
I know that punishment for Apostasy is a sensitive issue and now a days people feel
apologetic about it.
It is never good to hide your position , just because world views is against it.
The punishment for apostasy is not for the crime…. But to save society from
temptation and turbulence. Best way for apostates (those who openly rebel
against Islam and its teachings) is to leave the Islamic country and settle with
Non Muslims….
Most Islamic scholars agree that any one who openly renounces Islam in an Islamic
society should face death penality… there might be some scholars (mostly
modern scholars, who feel shy to stand in front of world and tell Islamic law as it
is), who subscribe to what views you have told.
Hypocrite is the one who hides his true feeling in his heart and we are not allowed to
search what is inside people’s heart.
Do you mean to say that the present state of islam and Muslims is because there are
“very few” hypocrites amongst us? I think reverse is the true.
1.5 Billion Muslims in the world and they are as weightless as “a bird’s feather”?
What else is the reason my dear?
Q.108, What is the punishment of MURTAD in Islam?
Ans.
Someone “was extremely worried” as to what Islamic Shariah has to say about a
MURTAD, and what is the punishment for a MURTAD.
Let me say, that punishment for a MURTAD in Islamic Shariah, is the SAME, as we
find in following Biblical Verses
1. Ex. 22:17
2. Ex. 22: 18
3. Ex. 22: 19
4. Lev. 20:1-4
5. Lev. 20: 6
6. Lev. 20:10, 20:13, 20:14
7. Lev. 20: 15, 16, 17, 18,

8. Lev. 21:9,
9. Lev. 24: 17, 21
10. Num. 15: 35
11. Deut. . 12: 2
12. Deut. . 13:6, 9, 16,
13. Deut.. 18:9-10
14. Deut. : 21:18-21
15. Deut. 22: 23, 25
16. Deut. 24:7
17. Deut 27: 15-26 (all those cursed receive the same punishment)
These are some verses from the Bible that pronounce the same Punishment as Islamic
Shariah enforces on MURTAD!!
In Fact Islamic Shariah lessens the punishment for many crimes as mentioned in these
Biblical Verses!!
Now which of them is More Barbaric? I am confused!! Are you also?
Q.109, who="Sara"
No goddess he doesn't. MUQ believes only Muslims who leave Islam

should be killed, after of course being allowed to think about it.
This is were the problem lies MUQ, many, many muslims believe we
are ALL born Muslim. Have you heard that before? Do you believe
that? So if those who think like that also agree with the killing of
apostasy, then we are ALL apostasy, so justify being killed. This is
were some fanatics get their beliefs from.
I believe whole heartily that there are many, many goods muslims
who want peace and do live in peace. Their faith is between them
and God and they would never judge others, they leave the judging
to God.

Ans.
You are sure twisting the meaning of prophet’s saying “That every child is born
according to True Nature (FITRAT) , it is the parents who turn him into a Jew, a
Christian and a Magi”.
This means that every new child born is born free as per nature and that is the state of
Islam (submitting himself to his Creator)… he is then told by his parents to
worship this and that god and bow before such as such.
No Muslims scholar and for that reason, any same Muslim considers all these Jews,
Christians , Hindus and Buddhists as Apostates and then kill them
indiscriminately.
And you call yourself a reasonable person by spreading such type of hate, mischief
and false hood>
This post was in really in very bad taste.
Q.110, who="IL Principe"
1. "It is only in Islamic states that muslims are not allowed to

change their religions?" How come you put religion in plural?
Christians, jews, bahias, ahmadis etc. are allowed to convert into
islam. You make hysterical celebrations when anyone convert into
islam.
However, and this is the second point where you manipulate in your
post, "muslims aren't allowed to change their religion"! They are
killed! Just like that father in KSA who killed his own daughter
because she converted to Christianity...and here is the worst part.
The psycho wasn't punished. On the contrary he was celebrated as
a hero by the followers of this oh so "peaceful" religion.
Ans.
1. I hope you will not point out punctuation and spelling mistakes on this thread. !! I
can also point out many such errors in your post!!
2. The principle remains as I told you. Since Islam considers itself to be True religion
and others as false religions…..so it cannot give same rights to both.
3. This happens in EVERY civilized society. In USA itself communist party was
banned, you cannot preach Nazi philosophy in USA.
You cannot pass Anti Semite comment in USA….you cannot hold any office in USA
if you are declared Anti Semite.

All these are FACTS from the society whom you call “free and gives full freedom of
speech”.
Even now, no one can lecture any one on support of Al Qaeda and its philosophy.
4. The problem with your approach is that “you have declared your country as your
God” and will go to any length to protect it and safeguard its interest. You are ready
to commit ANY NUMBER of crimes in the name of your god i.e. your nation (US
invasion of Iraq is such an example).
Why GWB the Great and Dick Cheney were not punished for leading their country to
an illegal war?
5. In our society, we give that position to our religion. In USA any father killing his
daughter who was spying for another country, would not be punished but hailed as a
national hero.
6. It is not strange to find Muslims who are against killing of any innocent human
being. This is the teaching of Islam and most Muslims are aware of it.
7. You are wrong to say that Hindus and Buddhists etc have not damaged Muslim
prayers of Worship. In India Hindu extremists and terrorists demolished a 400 years
old Mosque in Ayodhya in broad day light in full media blaze and NO ACTION was
taken against them.
8. Thousands of Muslims were killed in Bombay riots of 1993 and Gujarat riots of
2002.
But the world media just forgets these incidents where Muslims were the target and
REMEMBERS only those where Muslims are shown in bad light.
Your post also is in the same category.
Q.111 who="Pete-o"
The rough language you speak of are not from me, but from the
Quran. If you don't understand that I can't help you other than to
post the verse numbers if you like.
Sure a 6th century penalty of death for stealing or disobeying 6th
century laws would solve a problem, but still would be heinous
punishment. I live in a low crime area, you may live in a different
area, so if there is high crime, then your methods aren't working.
21st century methods may not be more effective, but they are more
humane, and I would rather live in a more humane society, but
again you may differ on that.

Ans.
What is a humane solution if instead of solving a problem it keeps on increasing it?
Is he a “Humane Doctor” who does not cut away cancerous cells in body, because it is
“in humane” to cut away and cast away those poor cells and with the result infecting
whole body with cancer?
Or is he a “Humane Doctor” who after prescribing all medicines and precautions that
do not cause cancer in the first instances, cuts away the affected cells immediately , so
that they do not affect other cells of the body?
6th century or 21st century solution do not matter in themselves, what we need are long
sustainable results. And Islamic criminal Justice rules have passed the test of time.
They were as effective in 6th century as they are effective in 21st century and they will
be as effective in 40th century (if end of time does not come by that time, so to say!!).
Quran uses precise and correct language, it is people who mutilate it and drive their
own meanings from it.
Q.112 who="pjam2825"
You keep speaking without verifying where your beliefs originated.

Where in Quran or Prophetic sayings are dogs not allowed?
Ans.
You want proofs from sayings of prophet: I will give you some:
1. Imam Bukhari reported in his Sahih, “Book of Agriculture “ Abu Hurairah said “
Prophet of Allah, may peace and blessings be on him said “If anyone has taken a dog,
except a hunting dog, a dog to take care of his cattle, or dog used for the purpose of
agriculture, his good deeds would diminish every day by two QUAIRAT (Talents)”
2. Imam Bukhari reported in his Sahih “Book of buying and selling” Abu Masood
Ansari said “The prophet of Allah, may peace and blessings be on him, prohibited the
earning of sale of dogs, earning of prostitutes and earnings of astrologers and
sorcerers”
3. Messenger of Allah, may peace and blessings of Allah be on him said “Angels do
not enter into houses that has images or dogs in it”
Is their still some doubt in your mind that Prophet of Allah prohibited keeping dogs as
pets inside house?
Quran only mentions fundamental teachings and not minute details…..for that Allah
sent the Messenger and gave him knowledge and authority to legislate on His behalf.

Q.113 who="Az Zaqqum"
Yet Allah says...bring forth your witness to prove that Allah forbid
such and such...dogs. Muhammad is Allah’s partner. He is allowed
to forbid what Allah has not.
Btw, Allah says nothing about women having more than one
husband. so based on your theory, women can have more than one
wife.
Ans.
You are misquoting and misrepresenting Quranic verse…..that verse is for people
who just by their own whims and fancies prohibit some things or make lawful some
things.
But any ruling from Prophet making something lawful or prohibiting something is not
considered in this Quranic verse. Because Allah gave the legislative powers to his
prophet. And ask Muslims to “Follow Allah and Follow his messenger” “Take what
he (the messenger) gives you and stop where he prohibits you”.
So the prophet of God banned dogs as pets and he did not ban birds or other animals
(except swine) being kept as pets. So we follow his ruling.
Prophet (and every civilized society) has banned women having more than one
husband.
You have to look to Quran and Prophetic sayings to find out what is allowed and what
is prohibited.
Q.114 who="pjam2825"
There are some Hadith about dogs.

Abu Huraira, a late convert to Islam and a companion of the
Prophet, narrated nearly 3,500 Hadith. It must be understood that
Abu stated in one Hadith that the Prophet, once observing his
followers writing down his sayings, gave them a resolute warning to
refrain from doing such things so the accuracy of them is
questionable.
I trust the Qur’an and any hadith that contradicts must be looked at
closely.

Ans.
A. Prophet’s prohibition to write down his words:
You have misunderstood the back ground under which prophet did not like people
writing down his own words or sayings.
This was done to remove any confusion about preservation of Quran….if the same
companions have Quran or portions of Quran in written form (as they heard from
prophet) and the same companions had some sayings of prophet also in written form,
they could get mingled up.
That is why prophet initially banned that people should write down any thing from
him except Quran….yet he said “Quote be orally , there is no harm in that”!! So the
two should be clearly demarcated!!
B. On Dogs as Pets:
As regarding dogs, there is no contradiction between Quran and prophet’s

instructions.
The Quranic verse which you have cited (5:4) is about Hunting dogs and prophet did
not prohibit hunting dogs or Walking dogs or dogs that could be used for other
purposes.
What he prohibited was keeping dogs as pets inside the houses….and there is nothing
in Quran that permits it. Who could understand and interpret better than the Prophet
of God, on whom the revelation came in the first place?
You need to have a better understanding of Quran and sayings of prophet.
Q.115 who="Az Zaqqum"
But they can live in your house as pets, right? Because you have
proof that bird poo, feathers and dander are cleaner than dogs, is
that right? Follow the partners of Allah, dude. It's the way to go!
Ans.
In Islam the general rule is:
“In Worldly matters, every thing is allowed, unless prohibited expressively”
“In matters of faith and worship, every thing is prohibited, unless allowed
expressively”
This is a golden rule which makes Islamic position so easy on matters of these type.

Dogs are expressively prohibited (by the prophet) from being allowed as pets inside
house….and there is no mentions of birds, and other species….so they are allowed in
general….unless it is proven that they are harmful or dangerous to human lives.
Why dogs are not allowed as pets inside houses? We do not know real reasons….it
could be because of disease they carry…..or make house unclean…we do not know
really.
So about birds, the general rule is that they can be kept as pets….but hygiene has to
be maintained….if it is proven medically that they are harmful for human health, then
they will also be prohibited!!
Simple and easy!!
I see that you people are very lax in your language…..you use words for your Creator,
without thinking of the consequences and these words are not necessary at all to
convey your meaning.
Do not misuse the talents which your Creator has given you!!
Q.116 who="Rabbeen Al Jihad"
Salaams & Salutations MUQ I realize this is a bit "off" but what
about Cats? House cats? or pet-cats that are really big! like
panther-big!? Im rather fond of our cats and although our neighbors
wonder where all the stray DOGS go, Im not confessing anything!
LOL! Cheers
Ans.
You know I am not a Scholar on Islamic Jurisprudence but only a novice student.
But as far as my knowledge goes, there is no ban to keep cats as pets. In fact in one
saying our prophet said that water does not gets impure if a cat drinks from it.
Then prophet nicknamed one of his companion as “ABU HURAIRAH” meaning “Cat
Lover” or “Cat Keeper” , due to his attachments with the cats.
So there is no objection of some one keeps cats as pets. But there should be
moderation in every thing.
One should not be obsessed with cats and keep them in his bed or kiss her mouth etc.
Stoking and showing other actions of affection is OK Regarding Tigers, Panthers and
Lions as pets? I think they are wild animals and very few people can be comfortable
with them roaming around freely in the house. When they become wild and harm
humans is anyone’s guess.
So this is a dangerous topic and you should ask any Learned Islamic Scholar about
them as pets. Allah Knows Best.

Q.117 who="Abu Najda"
I have looked into the Islamic understanding on dogs. Some of the

narrations are specific for the time - for example when dogs used to
carry many diseases and a bite could have fatal consequences. In
many places of the world this continues to be true today as it was in
pre-modern times across the world.
….
This idea that "Angels" are afraid of dogs comes from a literal
interpretation of a narration. However, anyone who knows anything
about Angels also understand this is patently not true. So why make
the remark and have it recorded for all time as a hadith? First I
should mention, I do not remember the authenticity of the narration
but I am happy to presume it is authentic.
Ans.
The basic issue here is that in Islam dogs are encouraged to be kept inside house as
‘Pets”.
The reasons could be many , we may keep on discussing why the injunction was
given.
Dogs on the other hands are useful animals and they could be trained for game, for
security and for walking blind people and many more uses…..such uses are allowed
and we can continue to find more uses for dogs as time goes by.
No where it is mentioned that angles are afraid of dogs!! Angels do not enter any
house where there is idols or dogs….because these houses are unclean and angels of
God do not enter into unclean house.
Most of what you have written is from your own reasoning and your own
logic….some of it may be true or false and I do not want to enter into a useless
discussion on that, as to why dogs are not permitted as pets inside the house.
Even if there be some advantages in that practice….disadvantages outweigh these

apparent advantages. Islam takes the overall benefit of the society in approving or
prohibiting any thing.
So in its eyes the disadvantages of keeping a dog inside house outweigh any
advantages that we see. And this is a clear ruling by almost all Muslim Scholars in
past 1400 years.
Allah knows Best!

Q.118 who="Captcanuck"
The United Nations Commission on Human Rights, considers the

recanting of a person's religion a human right legally protected
by ..
As for how many have been terrorized for wanting to leave Islam
you tell me likely countless.
Why people become Muslim's is beyond me they were duped.
As for Sharia law it affects non Muslim's greatly we would be unable
to live our lives the way we do today and will attempt to total
transform our society.
Therefore it is a direct threat.
Ans.
UN commission of Human Rights has no jurisdiction on articles of faith.
That commission does not see the daily violation of Palestinians human rights done at
the hands of Jewish and Zionist army and wants to look into small corners of the
world.
It does not see camels in from of it and warns others to be careful about gnats.
Human rights in Islam are much better and much broader than any UN commission
can even understand.
UNO as a body must respect laws and regulation of every religion and every people
and be not guided by what Modern day Atheists and Materialists think.
UNO has become a tool for these people in our time and that will lead to the demise
of UNO.
Its political and Moral and Military authority has already been shredded into pieces by
these so called Super Powers.
UNO has not solved a single major issue in its entire carrier. Be it Kashmir, Tibet,
Palestine, Philippines, any where.
It is moot spectator where most violations of Human Rights occur and preaches
Human Rights to nations where there is no need.
You may not like Shariah law and you many not like to live by it, it is your choice,
but you have no right to force other people also to abandon it, who want to live by it.
Why should you use double standards?

Q.119 who="Igor Trip"
Here's a falsifiable maths test for the Quran. The inheritance laws.
Allah charges you, concerning your children: to the male the like of
the portion of two females, and if they be women above two, then
for them … If there are brothers, then each shall receive double the
sisters.
Ans.
I think you must be the guy who would be at the BOTTOM of your class in EVERY
Math test!!
What you imply is that after EVERY division of property of EVERY deceased in a
Muslim family….there is either some portion LEFTOVER or people BORROW
money to pay the heirs!!
And Muslims are coping with this idiotic situation for past 1400 years, till you
pointed it out!!
How dumb some people can be!!
Instead of answering your question, I will tell you some amusing stories involving
math, because your post is so hilarious that it can only be countered by “funny
stories”
Story-1
One “New Mathematics Teacher” was taking his class of students for a field trip.
On the way, they found a pond, which they had to cross, there was no boat, so how to
solve the problem:
Mathematics teacher solved the problem by using his “Math Skill”!!
He swam across the pond (only he knew how to swim) carrying a pole and marked
depth of pond at many points on the way and recorded the readings in a note book.
When he came ashore, he calculated “Average depth of Pond” by adding those

readings an dividing by the number of readings….the answer came 3.55 Feet.
Then he measured the “average height of students” by taking their individual heights,
adding them and then dividing by the number of students…..the answer came 4.25
Feet.
Excellent! The teacher exclaimed, since AVERAGE depth of Pond is less than
AVERAGE height of the students, there is no danger of anyone sinking in the
pond….please come after me!!

With that he charged into the pond with students, and when reaching other side, he
found NOT A SINGLE STUDENT, he was left scratching his head.
He was nonplussed, however deep he looked at his calculations, he could not find any
mistake….what went wrong? He kept on thinking..
That Math Teacher could have been your exact double!!
Story-2
A Teacher asked the class “If 1 ship cross the ocean in 30 days….in how many days
10 ships will cross the same ocean?”
“Sir, Sir, I know the answer, Sir, Sir, please let me answer this Question, I beg you
Sir” Exclaimed one pie faced dumbest student in the class!!
“Yes Igor! Answer this question, and I hope that you will be right this time” said
teacher!
“Sir, 10 Ships will cross the sea in 3 days flat!” Answered Igor with confidence.
“And prey, how do you reach this answer, Igor” asked the teacher.
“Sir, you see, last week we had a similar situation, in which it was said that if ‘ 1
worker builds a wall in 30 days, if we have 10 workers, in how many days they will
build the wall’…. ” Said Igor
“Last time I was stupid enough to give answer as 300 days (which was probably
correct, because 10 workers would never be able to finish the job, they would be
chatting and make a union and demand rest, holiday , insurance etc), every one
laughed at me then, because and the correct answer was 3 days”.
“Because you had to DIVIDE and not MULTIPLY to get the correct answer” Said
Igor
“So this time I did DIVIDE and gave you the correct answer” said Igor Proudly….and
the whole class laughed again at him.
So you Igor Trip is the same Igor of that class.
…..I think you should be nominated for Nobel Prize for Mathematics for
DISCOVERING this GLARING mistake in Quran which those 1.5 Billion “Stupid
Muslims” could not detect!!
Bravo BTOE, Long Live BTOE, Long Live those who live with Damaged brains!!

Q.120 [QUOTE who="CC"]
Incorrect Canada has the ninth largest economy in the world and is
a member of the G8 it's bigger than you think.
… The English Queen is only a figurehead not a real ruler not so
around the Arabian Gulf.
Ans.
1. Interest:
You are right; I am against Interest because it is banned in Quran.
And the only reason Quran bans anything is because it is not GOOD for human
society in the long run.
Before we talk further why not look at what Quran bans?
a. Worshipping any one else beside Only True God and Creator and Sustainer of
Universe or associating any one else in His worship (the Biggest of All Big
Crimes, equivalent to sedition in secular terminology).
b. Killing any human being or any living thing, without “Just” cause.
c. Dishonoring your parents and / or treat them harshly.
d. Kill your children for want or fear of want of provisions.
e. To eat / devour money or property of orphans and widows and other weaker
members of society (those who cannot fight or defend for themselves). And / or
to cheat on inheritance provisions as provided in Quran.
f. To put a libel on the sexual conduct of innocent women and men without any
witness.
g. To commit adultery or fornication and other lewdness in sexual morality.
h. To cheat in weights, scales and measures (and make adulteration in food stuff and
other items of use).
I. To run away from the battle field without just cause or from strategic retreat.
j. To imbibe Alcohol, (and all types of intoxicants, including Narcotic drugs)

Gambling, fortune telling, (and any game of chance like lotteries),
k. Not fulfilling one’ trusts and obligations and treaties made with each other (on
individual, society or national level)
.
.
. (there is a long list of prohibitions which I can mention)

l.. And to deal in any kind of Interest or support any system based on interest.
Now when each and every one of these prohibitions are good for humans and human
society…why I should have a doubt that Interest and dealing in interest will be
GOOD for human society.
In fact many nations and large numbers of human beings in the world are getting
poorer and poorer because of this Interest Based economies.
This system is only favoring Rich people and nations and helping them only.
That is why Islamic banking system and any system which is free from Interest is
more beneficial to humans in the long run.
2. Shariah Law:
You are right, Shariah law does justify exemplary punishment for certain categories
of crimes.
To you they may look extreme, but they are very effective and bring down the crime
rates to negligible level, in a very short time.
Your “civilized” criminal justice system is “highly tilted” towards criminals and only
they are given all “rights and protections”.
Islamic system has the interests of “Law abiders” and “those who suffered at the
hands of these criminals” foremost and has no or very less sympathy for the criminal.
But in Islamic system no one is declared Criminal, unless he or she is proven guilty
by a court of law and after evidence is taken and evaluated by the court.
The result is that in Islamic society, the crime rate is very low and every one feels
safe…. And your “civilized” system has ever increasing crime rate and your prisons
are full and an army of Lawyers are earning their living “to shield and protect” the
guilty party by hook or crook.
It is your choice as to which system you want to use…
Use Shariah system and sleep comfortably at night….
Or use your “humanitarian system” and have all those burglar alarms and safety
devices and keep shot guns in your bed rooms and watch that every window is shut
and tight…. And then make round of the house three or four times in the night just in
case….
C. Monarchy:
What is the use of “figurehead queen” any way? Why she should not have any
power?

What is wrong to give power to your queen?
When you bow and kiss her hand (feet) you only mock her or show your hypocrisy?
And it seems your forefathers were fools and idiots, because they gave so much
powers to these kings and queens and did not consider them as “figure heads” to be
kept in a glass cupboards and show them at ceremonies.
Q.121[QUOTE who="CC"]
1. Ah yes interest well loaning money for say a mortgage on a

house is a standard practice why else would the bank do it?
And how else would most people buy a home?
2. Life insurance and property insurance i understand is not

acceptable as well in Sharia as it is considered gambling.
3. What happens if your house burns down you just lose a fortune
and say oh well at least Allah is happy?
4. You sure have a lot of rules how do you remember them all, and
what the heck do you guys do for fun?
Ans.
I think you imagine that “the world started when the First Interest based banks and
Insurance Companies were started”!!
There was no business in the world, no houses were being sold and there was no
protection if any trader’s goods were lost during journey or at sea etc.
Or you are under the assumptions that these banks and insurance companies were
started by “Selfless people , getting troubled by seeing the poor conditions of
countless millions and devising means as to bring some sunshine into their lives”.
All these banks and Insurance companies were started by Money Sharks (and having
a very high percentage of Jews to start with)… the aim was to use money held by
“these countless Millions” and then to :loan it back to them with interest”!!
They pooled the money from all these millions of investors and then gave loans to
those in need and charged a heavy interest on it. What they paid to their depositors
was much smaller than what they charged from loan takers and they made a big fat
money out of it.
The same thing they did with Life Insurance and accident Insurance. The policies are
made after a very careful statistical analysis, as how to make a fat profit in the
bargain.

It is this Interest based economics which West has adopted and thinks that “This is the
best of the best of all schemes and there is no alternatives to it”.
In this scheme only the Money and the Bankers and Insurance Companies are given
protection and there is no regard for the labor and the pain which companies or
individuals take to run the business.
Islam has an alternative economic policy, which is free from interest. It is based on
‘Partnership” in which both parties share profit as well as loss. This is much more
“humane” scheme and more profitable in the long run.
Islamic banks and Islamic Insurance companies are now running well in many
countries and have capitals exceeding many Billions Dollars.
In the present economic crisis, in which most of Interest based banks suffered heavily
(and the burden was passed to the state… i.e. common public and NONE of the guilty
parties were punished)…. Islamic banks were not affected.
Perhaps this would be a lesson to people like you who blow their own trumpet and
think that No other Viable Scheme is possible, except this “Interest Based jewish
Controlled Financial Loot” which you call as your economic policies.
PS:
I have solution for EACH of the cases you have mentioned. But let us first discuss
the pros and cons of interest based and sharing based economics and then these minor
issues can be addressed.
Q.122 who="prbslv4"]
The main problem I have with Islam is that everything is set in

stone. If the Quran instructs that a woman/man needs to be
punished for some sin, it has to be carried out. There is no room for
mercy.
I may be wrong about this, but it seems that Allah is a very

unmerciful God, unlike the Judeo-Christian God, who according to
the Bible, has shown people much mercy over the years.
I'm going to stick with the Judeo-Christian God because of His great
mercy. He gives me hope that I can get into Heaven.
Ans.
You have a very wrong concept of God as Muslims understand it. He is God of
mercy, no doubt, out of 99 of His Divine attributes majority are those that deal with
His mercy.

But mercy is not the only criterion that is needed to regulate and work any practical
system. Only those who have no idea of how to run any system, would only keep on
talking about mercy and forget about justice.
The God of Islam is a Merciful and Just God. He shows His mercy on every
occasion, but there are cases where Justice has to take over, to remove the corruption
from the land.
There are many examples in our daily and national life and I would present some
before you:
A. Merciful Factory Manager:
Would you call him a merciful manager, who rewards hard workers and those who do
not work and are habitually late coming and early going with equal pay rise?
I would call him stupid and very soon, his factory would fail to deliver.
B. Merciful Examiner:
Then what about the examiner which gives equal marks to every student, irrespective
of what he had written in their answer sheet? Is she merciful or downright idiot
spoiling the whole educational system.
C. Merciful Police Officer:
Then would you call that Police office as Merciful who sees the cases of mugging and
looting and just turns his face the other way, to have mercy on those muggers and
robbers?
He is coward and inefficient and very soon his district would be filled with crimes of
all times.
D. Merciful Judge:
Then what about the judge, who “out of mercy” sets free every serial killer, Child
Molester and Highway Robber? He is not a Merciful Judge, but a very dishonest one.
E. Merciful Government:
Then is that a Merciful Government, which rewards equally those who pay taxes, and
those who do not pay their taxes?
Would it have been a “merciful Government” who did not avenge for Pearl Harbor
attacks or 9/11 attacks?
F. Merciful Surgeon:
What would you say of that surgeon who leaves “cancerous cells” as a mercy to those
cell and these cells damage the whole body and the patient dies afterwards of Cancer.

These are some examples from our every day life that show, that Mercy alone is not
enough to run any system, you have to take firm and decisive actions to root out evil
from your society.
This is the concept of Merciful and Just God in Islam.
G. Powerless Islamic Judges:
There are a few crimes, for which the punishment has been prescribed by Just and
Merciful God Himself. The role of judges is to see, if the guilt is established and
witness system and / or confession have left no doubt that the person is guilty of that
crime.
Once the crime is established , the Judge only has to award that punishment. And
these few crimes and their punishment are:
1. Theft: Chop off the thief’s right hand.
2. Murder: Kill the murderer, unless he is pardoned by the heirs of the murdered
person.
3. Illicit sex between unmarried persons: 100 Lashes for both of them.
4. Illicit Sex between married parties (Adultery): Death by stoning
5. Bringing false charges of adultery or illicit sex against any women: 80 Lashes
6. Imbibing Alcohol or other such things: 80 Lashes.
For other crimes, the judge is free to use his judgment.
These punishments look very harsh on the face of it, but their beauty is that,
punishment of one, scares off thousands of others would be criminals and in the
society the crimes are brought to their lowest level possible.
This is a practical test, which every one can see. In societies where “milk of human
kindness and mercy is overflowing” the rate of crimes never comes down….all the
protections are for the “poor criminal” while no one gives a hoot for those who were
victims.
A few OH s and Few AH s and a few My God, who could do such a thing, are all
they get.
H. Safeguards Made by the Merciful God so that people do not fall into
temptation:
In Islam the chances for any one to commit crime are minimized, because there are
many safeguards, I will point out a few:

1. Against Theft: There is a system of ZAKAT, in which 2.5 % to 10 % of wealth

from rich is taken and distributed to poor, so that they get less temptations for theft.
2. Against Adultery and illicit sex:
a. Marriage and divorce rules are made easy. So that it is easy to enter into marriage
agreement and get out of it also.
b. Polygamy is permitted for males with certain restrictions.
c. Free mingling between males and females is prohibited.
d. Dress codes for males and females is established.
e. Imbibing of Alcohol and other similar things and narcotics is banned.
f. Witness system for illicit sex and adultery is very strict, there has to be four eye
witnesses, who have seen the crime with their own eyes. I doubt you will gat many
cases where this criterion is fulfilled.
Unless the Islamic protective system is in force. Only applying punishment system
shall not be sufficient and that is the problem with most Islamic and Western system.
They want to apply it partially.
I. Is Judeo Christian God only Merciful:
This is your wrong concept that Judeo Christian God is only merciful….and not Just.
Any one who has studied OT, would not fail to realize that much harsher punishment
have been prescribed for many lesser offenses than those mentioned in Quran.
There is shortage of space, otherwise I would have given you a full list of these
crimes and punishments.
Christians only make false claims when they say that their God is merciful.
Christians thru out the history have shed more innocent human blood than all other
religions combined together….right upto our won age.
Number of persons they have killed in WW-1, WW-2, Vietnam War. Iraq and
Afghanistan are more than those killed by all other religions.
PS; This post has become very long, I apologize for it, but I had to put these points in
their proper perspectives.

Q.123 who="Neville Thompson"]
Hello MUQ, In Australia Muslim communities have been able to

muster enough support to build schools where they are not
culturally wanted or built gigantic Mosques increasing traffic noise in
suburban street after mid night prayers and expressing their
displeasure at Christmas celebration displays and the pantomime
that goes with it.
The decorations were cancelled by the councils so as not to offend

our new arrivals. Check out the British government, it is being
taken over from within.
Ans.
I think that Muslims take permission from local authorities and municipalities before
constructing any School and / or mosques and follow the local laws.
The mosques are made bigger so as to take care of Friday and Eid congregations and
to accommodate “ever increasing” numbers of new Muslims. It is not every day that
Mosques are constructed or expanded.
While attendance in Churches is dwindling or fairly constant, Muslims mosques get

more and more numbers of worshippers.
As regards use of Loudspeakers, I am personally against turning on Minaret or

Outside speakers, during Normal Prayers, unless it be during Friday or Eid prayers.
Use of Loudspeakers during Call of Prayers should not be objected to by non

Muslims, because it is only for a few minutes.
And this call should not sound offensive to Non Muslims, because it is to gather
people for “Worship The True Lord and Creator of This Universe”!!
As a Christian you should be happy, that while you are sleeping, dancing and
imbibing Alcohol, and feel contend to wait and go there only on Sunday…..there are a
group of people who will “sing the praise of Lord” at least five times every day.
But use of outside speakers for lectures and normal prayers, is not advisable and my
appeal would be to Mosque Authorities to curb that usage.
We Muslims should be careful so as not to annoy or trouble our neighbors.
PS: If you go to India, you will find that Loudspeakers of Temples etc are “turned on”
at 3 or 4 AM in full blast for hours together….while Muslim Azan is maximum for 2
-3 minutes.

Q. 124 who="Neville Thompson"
Hello MUQ,
In Indonesia in the 1980's my parents located loud speakers
pointed directly at non Muslim residences ,the people were of
Chinese decent and they were treated as 2nd class citizens although
they were many generation Indonesian.
My parents stayed in this house as honored guests .
…
By the way, I am not a Christian nor an atheist….
Ans.
I do not deny that Loudspeakers is being misused by many Muslims and I am against
this menace.
There is no Islamic dogma to have Loud Speakers in Mosques…at best they could be
used only for prayer calls…..not for live prayers or sermons (unless there be need ,
like Friday congregation or Eid prayers)
This unchecked misuse of Loudspeakers is annoying to Muslims also, those who are
sick or preparing for exams or in toilets…etc….they have to listen these verses of
Quran in toilets.
Then Islam asks us not to annoy or hurt our neighbors, be them Muslims or Non
Muslims.
So I have no objection if misuse of Outside Loud speakers is curbed. But as I told

you, In India , I have seen every one , Muslims, Hindus, Sikhs, they all misuse these
Loudspeakers.
If authorities grant permission to construct Islamic centers, then obviously they are
convinced about its need and purpose. I do not think that they are “bribed or coerced”
to give their approval.
No religion can grow and get new followers, if it follows coercive and forceful means.
The proof that every day new people accept Islam, shows that people are getting
attracted to it.
Every one of us is “Of God” because He is our common Creator and we all are
“brothers in humanity” as Adam and Eve are our Common Ancestors!!
God did not WRITE the Scriptures of any faith….He only send it thru Revelation
(thru Angels) to His Chosen Person on earth , who is called as prophet or
messenger….and prophet or messenger either wrote down the revelation himself or
transmitted it orally or got it in written form thru his disciples.

In that sense these scriptures are called ‘Word of God” and “Books of God”…not that
God did write these books!!
Q.125 who="ILP"
But your laws condone killing, your laws condone discrimination

based on religious affiliation. You have written that.
Let me ask you some simple questions:
1. What should happen to a muslim who leaves islam and becomes

a bahia in an Islamic society?
2. What should happen to a muslim girl who marries a Hindu man in

an Islamic society?
3. What should happen to a muslim male who marries a jewish

woman in an Islamic society?
4. Does islam allow muslims to keep war captives as slaves?
These questions are very simple and even a monkey would be able
to answer them.
Ans.
Off course our laws are based on religious affiliations. What else would you expect is
a society that is guided by God in every aspect?
Citizenship of any country is based on citizenship laws. No country in the world treats
Citizens and aliens in the same way. There is always difference between the laws
for a citizen and for an alien.
For example, University fee for a Canadian Citizen in Canadian university is one
fourth of the fee that is to be paid by a Non Canadian student. I ask you, is it logical,
is it fair? But we all accept it because Canada can make different law for its citizens
and for aliens.
When you accept duplicity of laws based on mere geographical boundaries, why you
make so much hue and cry if different laws are bases on much more serious issue than
mere geography?
Now coming to answer s of your questions:
1. If a Muslims chooses to relinquish Islam in a True Islamic Society… he or she will

be presented before an Islamic court, The Judge will ask her reason for leaving Islam.
If they have any doubts about Islam and its teachings, the court will ask Muslim
Scholar (s) to answer their doubts.

If they continue with their decision, then court will imprison them to give them
sufficient time to think.
If they still want to leave Islam then court will award them death penality, to save
other Muslims from the temptation.
(believe me, thru out Islamic history, there have been only hand counted incidents,
when some one was punished in this way – MUQ)
(And there is no place for any one taking law in their own hands to execute the
punishment.- MUQ)
2. Quran specifically bans the marriage between a Muslim male or female with
MUSHRIKS and idolaters… so any marriage between a Muslim male or female with
Hindus is null and void as per Islamic law.
Islamic courts will reject such marriage as null and void…. Unless the other party
accepts islam, then court will continue the marriage.
3. Quran specifically allows that Muslim men can marry women from ‘People of the
Book” , that includes Jews and Christians. So the marriage is legal as per Islamic
court. Though it is “undesirable” seeing how much of “book” is left in the present
“people of the book”…. Nevertheless it cannot be annulled by any Islamic court.
4. War Captives as slaves is not a must for any Muslim. It is the state policy. In the
time of prophet, there were no rules for exchanging war prisoners between
combatants, so they were taken as slaves.
If we now have exchange of war prisoners treaties between nations, so there is no

need to make war captives as slaves, these days.
(It is not obligatory to take War Captives as prisoners…. That is the flexibility in
Islamic laws to make it work under varying circumstances. – MUQ)

Q.126 who="legsofahighlander"
Don't you mean 1400 years of Mohammedan slavery, continuing to

this day?? Mean castrating bastards. Watch the youtube clip.
http://barenakedislam.wordpress.com/2009/04/10/the-most-
brutal-inhumane-slave-masters-in-history-were-not-white-men-
they-were-muslims/
Seems a lot of Indians died at the hands of Islam as well.
Ans.
A. Islam and Slavery:
Slavery was a social need for the time as “there was no practice of mutual exchange
of prisoners of wars”.
Islam did not invent it and Islam did not Outlawed it, because unless there is a clear
alternative it is not prudent to prohibit an existing practice.
Religions before islam, Judaism, Christianity, Hinduism, Buddhism , Confucianism,

Philosophies like Greek, Roman , Egyptians or any other in old or contemporary
world, banned the practice of slavery.
So I do not know why, only Islam’s name is exclusively mentioned in relation with
slavery.
The slavery was not abolished because of “Christian teachings” or because of

“Christian nation’s love for human kind”….it was because it had lost the economic
sense and alternatives were now available due to progress of human civilization.
If pre Islamic type of situations do occur again, there would be no recourse to but to
go back to slavery.
Even while allowing slavery, Islam did not encourage people to make slaves, in fact
in Islam freeing a slave was one of the highest acts of worship.
Islam gave rights to slaves, rights to live, proper clothing, proper food and living
conditions. Prophet said “you give to your salves what you eat, you clothe them with
what you wear and do not put excessive burden on them”
Every book of Islamic Jurisprudence has a special chapter devoted to slaves, their
rights and how they have to be treated. Compare them against Roman, Greek, Hindu
and other’s laws and you will see the difference between the two.
But Islam haters, would just gloss over all these details and try to give impression as
“Islam was the first in the world to start slavery and the last to “unofficially abolish”
it!!

They fail to understand that even as far as 1965 Black people were treated differently
in USA, they had special laws in US courts and states even in 20 th century and even
after all these “human rights”….they are not treated equally against white.
B. Many Indians died at the hand s of Islam:
Yes that is true. Then many Indians died at the hands of British Christians during
their days of Imperialism.
And many Africans, Chinese and Egyptians died at the hands of Christian Europeans
during their days of Colonist.
Most Red Indians and Aborigines and Eskimos died at the hand of White Christians
when they took control of their lands.
And Many Japanese died at the hand of US Nuclear attack on their cities of
Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
And many Iraqis and Afghans died at the hand of US and NATO Christian soldiers.
So who is keeping counts of how many humans were killed by whom?
C. Islam and Australia:
Muslims would always push for to be governed by Islamic laws. We will continue to
explain that Islamic laws are better than Man Made laws and provide simple and clear
cut solutions for each and every society including Australia.
To accept and implement them is left to people of Australia. But it is our duty to
inform and educate and propagate these views.
But we do not force our views on others and give them free choice to chose their path.
On the other hand these “tolerant” Christian Nations FORCE us to abandon our
religion and our way of life and are FORCING Muslim women not to wear Hijab,
which is a duty on them from Islam.
Q.127 who="HK Holden Monaro"
Fine.. You are finally admitting that I AM a 'true Christian'... as I do

believe in Jesus, and his message of salvation.
Yes, there are many who give mere lip service to their respective
religions... I knew this Jewish bloke from New York City who loved
eating ham and pork sausage.
But still, I must reaffirm that men should live by the laws of a
democracy, and religion has no place in the governing of a free
society.
These are basic human rights that was set up in our constitution...
that religion should not interfere with the affairs of state.

Ans.
A. True Christians:
I am no judge to say that you are “true Christian” or “Name sake Christian”. It is a
matter of belief and only God knows who is what.
But by definition a “True Christian” is one who follows the teaching and walks in the
footstep of jesus. If some one follows some one else (like Paul), he is a true disciple
of Paul and not of Jesus!!
B. Democracy and Religion:
Democracy is not against religion…..what is Democracy? That people should have

rulers of their choice and no religion denies that.
But if you mean by democracy, separation between state and religion, then it is not
OK. You cannot be a Christian when you are in your house….and when you go to
market place or industry, you become a non religious person.
Religion gives directions for every part of human life, so you have to be a full time
religious followers.
C. Basic Human Rights:
Our Constitution (Quran) gives more rights than your Basic Human Rights can even
give!! It gives UNIVERSAL HUMAN RIGHTS!! It wants a Universal human
brotherhood…
All humans are from the same pair of man and woman, so they are essentially equal.
There is no distinction between Whites and Blacks, Rich and Poor, Kings and
Paupers…In the eyes of God they are all humans….one who does more good deeds is
nearer to him than the other.
This is true human right!!
Q.128 who=" WN”]
I doubt that any all-knowing god would give people the urge to
have sex and then punish them for it. I think people who have
indiscriminate sex without protection get punished quite enough
here. That's another reason I don't believe in gods. That would just
be either very ignorant on his part, or very evil.

Ans.
God will not punish any one for fulfilling his or her sexual desires……but He would
punish those who do it thru illicit means (and do not repent it)!! God has given
men and women legitimate means to fulfill their sexual desires. If they limit
themselves to these outlets, there is no blame of any kind on them. In Islam
fulfilling you sexual desire thru legitimate means is approved and appreciated.
There is no Monastism in Islam . However when people exceed the legitimate
means and fall into illicit means, they are discouraged and punished.
Same way God has given the urge of eating and drinking to every human and He will
not punish any one for fulfilling these desires….but He will punish if people do it thru
wrong means, i.e. by stealing and robbing others!!
You do not believe in God, because you have been fed up with wrong concept of God
by the so called various religions of the world.
If you want to know about the Real qualities of God and His attributes…..then you
should study Quran, where you fill find Most accurate information on this subject.
God has qualities of Mercy as well as Justice with Him. He does no injustice to any
one and He does not like that any one should do injustice either.
Justice at every level is the Basic Law and Basic Pillar of His Code of Conduct to
human beings.
Q.129 who="CC"]
Sale financing murabahah.
The bank purchases with you the property and sells you its share in
it on installments at a higher price.
The Islamic bank sells it share at a higher price no difference really

they make a profit no?
It's just a way to get around the Quran writings.

Stock markets by the way are popular worldwide as well jump in
get your feet wet.
Ans.
Islamic Banks:
If the banks cheat on Islamic law and want only a fake cover to pass on interest
dealings in the guise of Islamic law… it is their problem and not Islam’s

I told you in the beginning that Most Muslim countries (or rather their rulers) get their
orders from Western Powers and they are not serious in implementing Islamic
economics laws.
Whatever small amount of Islamic law they inject into their economic policies, saves
them and their investors from disasters,
If they implement full Islamic laws, they would see its immense benefits, but it needs
courage, faith and moral force.
Stock Exchange:
As for stock exchange, on the face of it, there is nothing wrong in the concept of stock
exchange.
But since it is unregulated and has no morality attached to it…. ,…. and lots of banks
have entered into it and lot of cheating and gambling has entered into it (like future
trading and selling stocks which you do not actually own and unreasonable prices of
some stocks (which do not make any economic sense)…
…And buying and selling and manipulating companies thru stock exchange, which
has polluted that pond of fresh water.
It needs thorough cleaning and removal of these harmful practices, before it becomes
a place for being “part owners” of the companies.
Now a days, most people buy and sell stocks, without having any idea of what “their”
companies do for a living!!
Islam is against all forms of cheating and intrigue and speculation in trade activities.
Every thing should be clear and no one should be forced or coerced in taking
economic decisions.
What is popular and what is going on in the world…. Is not a standard for truth and
falsehood.

Q.130 [QUOTE who="Sara"

What happens MUQ if a Muslim woman is not able to have to

children? The man marries another and divorces her.
At least the Hindus realise it is NOT always the women who is
unable to have children and at least the woman is not
encouraged to leave her sterile husband.
I don't mean to sound like i am digging at your religion but can't

stand it when people poke at others beliefs, implying that theirs
is perfect.
Ans.
I am glad you asked me this question.
1. First of all, in Islam Children are deemed as “gifts from God and His mercy and
blessings to the human couples”. It is God who decided which pair has to have
how many children.
2. Nevertheless, every couple should try to have as many children as they can get thru
their normal sexual life. Usually most of couple would get children in the normal
way, as it is normal law of God for human kind.
3. However, if due to any reason, the couple do not get any children, they could go to
doctors and find out, if there is any medical problem. If there is any medical
problem with either husband or wife, they should get the treatment.
4. If it is found that there is some problem with either of the two spouses, the couples
have a choice. If they want to live as husband and wife, without any children, it
is OK.
5. If man wants to have children and the woman has some medical com placations, he
may get a second wife and get children thru her. He may keep his first wife also,
but if she wants divorce, she will be granted her request.
6. If the problem is with husband, then women can ask for divorce and it will be
granted to her, thru Islamic courts.
7. Islam therefore has a very practical and reasonable approach for this tricky
problem.
PS:
My mention of Hindu system of NIYOGA was not to criticize Hinduism. But on the
face of it, it is immoral and in introduces a unknown element between sexual
relation of husband and wife.
||And then this system can be misused, and is being misused, because of religious
sanction and secrecy that surrounds such acts.

Q.131 who="Neville Thompson ”
I was watching a video of an interview of a lady in France wearing a

burqua.
She said being a Muslim means the only laws she applies ,are the
laws of Allah.
Ans.
A. Obeying Laws:
Again you have asked a very pertinent question. Islam means one who surrenders his
will to the will of his or her Creator, which is no one else but Allah.
So first and foremost duty of any Muslim, male or female is to obey Allah and His
messenger.
Then a Muslim should also obey those who have authority, secular or religious over
them…..but this obedience is restricted to those parts that do not contradict the
directives of Allah and His messenger.
Islamic Parliaments and Assemblies and rulers and kings have limited powers and
limited scopes. They can formulate laws which are not against directives of Allah and
His messenger.
This is one of the basic difference between Western concept of democracy and
Islamic concept of democracy.
No Muslim Parliament or Assemble or Ruler make unlawful what Allah has made
lawful and they cannot make lawful what Allah and His messenger made unlawful.\
B. Ban on Hijab:
Since the Western ban on Islamic Hijab is against teachings of Allah and His
messenger….so that Muslim lady was right in refusing to accept it.
If you persecute her, then she has to face persecution and she will be rewarded in the
hereafter.
But I really feel strange that women are being penalized to covering their bodies and
not for baring their bodies!!
This is the Reverse Logic working in its extremity…. The only parallel I could find in
religious history was when people of Lot admonished Lot and his household for
“daring to be Pure” in their locality.
They said “Turn out Lot and his household….they dare to remain pure”!!

Similar is the case with this western ban on Muslim women wearing Hijab in Western
countries….they cannot even tolerate a fully covered women!!
Q. 132, who="A-L-E-X"
I agree there is nothing in the bible either about Haredi jews having
to wear those traditional European black clothes, it could be
considered abuse to make minors wear that stuff in the Israeli heat
but i would be shocked if some country were to ban them from
doing so.
this burka ban is getting out of control i think there are some
serious problems and threats about major muslim immigration to
Europe but i can't see how going head to head with them about
what they are allowed to wear is helping.
Ans.
I thank you for your honest comment. I think Europe has to really learn Multi-
culturism as some other parts of the world have seen it.
India is one of the best example of this. We have people of all faith and every one
wears what one likes. From Hindu priests to Muslim scholars, to Sikhs to Naked Jaini
Sadhus and what not. When people go to work they wear the clothes best suited for
the job. There is no compulsion on any one.
But in Europe the Media is making a hue and cry over Muslim women wearing their
Islamic Hijab.
Why should any one force people not to wear what they like?
The thing started with Muslims, would spread to Sikhs, Buddhists, Hindus and other
people. Why Saris should be allowed in Europe? It is not a western culture?
When you start asking questions, there is no end to it.
Q. 133, who="I can read"
I don't need to be an expert on the Koran to know that it doesn't

say anything about women covering their faces.
If it did then no nation in the EU would be allowed to ban these face

coverings on human rights grounds.
Notice the way you avoided my question?
Stupidly though you still continue with your lies:….
'Enjoy' it while it lasts.

Ans.
I have broken your post into the following two main heads:
A. Women Covering Her Face:
Quran says in 24:31
“And say to believing women that they should lower their gazes and guard their
modesty: that they should not display their beauty (and ornaments) except what
(ordinarily) appear thereof; that they should draw their veils over their bosoms and
not display their beauty except to their husbands, their fathers……….and that they
should not strike their feet in order to draw attention to their hidden ornaments…”
And in 33:59
“O prophet! Tell your wives and daughters and the believing women that they should
cast their outer garments over their persons (when out of doors): this is most
convenient that they should be known (as such) and not molested….”
And in 33:53 (Concerning prophet’s wives)
“….and when you (muslims) ask them any thing you want, ask them from before a
screen….”
For the above how can you say that Quran does not ask Muslim women to cover her
face, while outside?
The EU debate is definitely malafide and I am surprised at those “Women Rights”

stalwarts that are keeping quiet and silently watching, while their sisters are being
denied “choice” and adhering to their religious beliefs.
It seems that all this Women Rights stuff is one sided and is only used to break
religious laws!!
B. Islam wont last 50 years if it does not distinguish between religion and Politics
Islam has survived 1400 years, without separating religion and politics and It will
survive till the last day.
The growth of Islam is itself a proof that Islam’s future is secure, irrespective of
whatever its enemies plan or try to bring its downfall!!

Q. 134, who="Questionner"
Why are there so many things that Muslims do that were not
decreed in the Koran, yet they claim it is part of their religion'
A cynic would say that too many muslims are so afraid of their
religion that they just do anything the mullahs say - why do they do
what men say and claim it to be part of the religion.
Why, for example, do muslim men happily come to the west and
enjoy the sight of free western women but wrap up their own
women in a shapeless garment? Muslim men must surely avert their
gaze from women not wrapped up.
Ans.
Quran is supposed to be the higher law. It deals with basic fundamental issues. It
does not deal with procedures and details.
That was the reason, Allah sent a human messenger along with Quran, so the
messenger would act on teachings of Quran and show how to put these into practice.
These acts and sayings of prophet are what is called Hadith and along with Quran
they complement the divine guidance.
Jews, Christians and other scriptures have muddled up every thing into one book. In
their scriptures word of God and Words of Prophets and Words of Commentators,
Words of Historians, Words of Story tellers and Words of Folklore all have been
mixed and it is not possible to separate one from the other.
In case of Islam, each of these words are separate.
Words of God are in Quran and nothing else is mixed with it.
Words and sayings and actions of prophet are in books of Hadith.
Words of Commentators are in books of Tafsirs (Commentaries of Quran).
Words of Historians are recorded in Books of Histories.
Words of Folklore are recorded in separate books.
So there is no confusion, every thing is clear.
We Muslims want to be sure about what is the religious position on any issue before
we act, so we ask people who have knowledge and there is nothing wrong in it.
Yes I see that it is UNFAIR that Muslim men gaze at your women and you have no
chance to gaze at Muslim women. Why don’t you TIT for TAT and keep YOUR
Women covered up, when Muslims pass them by!!

Q. 135, who=Aussie Baby
I am married to a muslim I know all about the Quran, I am not

muslim nor Christian, I am atheist and to me there is no such thing
as god, Allah, the bible teaches you to be a good person and treat
others as you would treat yourself, it teaches you the history of the
world, not dictate to you what you will wear, how you will act, what
you will eat and bring war on people who don’t believe.
I wear what I want to wear and I go where I want to go and do not

ask permission. Every person be whatever religion they are has the
right to be as they want to be without being dictated to in any
religion.
You can still be a good person and dress modestly and live the best
life you can without persecution & submission to any religion.
Religion is the downfall of human kind and it will be the end of

human beings on this earth with religious wars created by the
muslim as they cant move into the real world.
…But either way the world would be much better off without all
this religious crap which brings wars & fighting by third world
countries which are still living and breathing what happened in the
14th century, this will be the end of our earth.
Ans.
If you think that just being married to a Muslim, (who allows himself to be married to
an Atheist) qualifies for you to know all about Quran and what is in it…then let me
say that you are wrong.
It speaks about the real status of your husband’s faith also!!
I am not surprised on that, many or majority of Muslim men are not presenting
themselves as role models of Islam and Muslims and it is because of their duplicity
and hypocrisy that Islam and Muslims are getting bad names.
Every religion revealed by God asks men and women to dress modestly. It is not
Islam which invented it. Islam is the continuation of same old religion of God which
was revealed to all prophets.
Your charge that stories in Quran were copied from the Bible, shows that you know
nothing either about Quran and also about Bible!!
The similarities in two versions is only on the surface….if you look carefully, they are
pole’s apart like Chalk and Cheese….the Biblical stories are for story sake , like a
history…..In Quran they are used as examples of guidance and what lessons we can
learn from them.

Since you are married to a Muslim, I wish your husband was a practicing Muslim, ask
him to give you good books on Islam, translations and commentaries of Quran,
Biography of our prophet……read those in your spare time.
You have better opportunity to learn about Islam than other women, (unless your
husband has become as apostate ) , please use this opportunity to learn bout Islam…
let your physical love…lead also to your spiritual love.
But your post indicates that you have not used your opportunity in a good manner so
far…..being so ignorant and so Anti Islamic despite being married to a Muslim for so
many years is unimaginable!!
Q. 136, who="ColoMountMan"
Although, I see your logic, there is one flaw in your summation,

there are cultures in which women run the politics of the community
not the men. Your logic about what a woman and a man does, does
have some truth when it comes to nature, but it is society that a
person lives in that dictates the roles of a man or a woman, not the
abilities of an individual.
In many societies history show there have been roll reversals, take
the roll of a typist, at one time it was thought that a woman place
was at home and the only people that were typist were male. If you
took a snap shot of that time you would say that only males were
typists. As time went on it became knowledge that most women
were typists and now days a typist position is considered a roll that
ether a woman or male can share equity.
Ans.
I thank you for responding to my post in a civil way and raising some pertinent points,
which need to be answered and countered.
Your argument is that it is human society which allots the role of men and women and
it has nothing to do with nature.
It is true that society has some impact on day to working and organizing of any
nation….and one should be flexible in one’s approach. So far as I agree on your
logic.
But there is another dimension to your logic….we also believe that there is a Power
which created both men and women. It was not by CHOICE that women decided to
bear children and men to work in field.
The best authority as to divide roles between the two groups should be left to their
Creator. It is He who knows which role is best for each of them.

I would not object, if you prefer what roles you give to your women….if you people
had not come forward and claiming that we suppress our women and we do not give
them their rights etc.
If our society is organized according to our social needs and as per dictates of our
Creator….you should be broad minded to accept that.
Working inside home and taking care of home and children is not a mean job by any
standard. How can a man be happy, if his home is not organized. How can a women
work on two fronts simultaneously….there would be some thing left out.
And going by experience, it is the home, family and children who will suffer, while
she is busy in offices and factories.
So this propaganda of “sex equality” is not a natural thing and it had ulterior motives.
To bring women out of their protective covers, and bring them in open , so as to
exploit them sexually, mentally and economically.
Why most of Private secretaries of Top Executives should be females?
Why most of receptionists should be females?
Why MOST of Air Hostesses should be females?
Why men CANNOT do these jobs? After all both sex are equals?
I think, we can carry out this discussion to another level.
Q. 137 Who=Falasha
uh, no. Evil is doing something to someone that you would not like
to have done to you - PERIOD. That would include keeping wife
locked in house or making her cover her face. It also includes not
allowing women to drive, pick her own husband, marrying before
she want to, not allowing her education, stoning her for being
raped, etc.
Ans.
Doing to others what would you would like to do your self is certainly the basis of all
morality and is the advice which was repeated by all prophets to his followers.
But sin is a different thing…..it is the willful disobeying any law, command ,
instruction or guidance from God or His Prophets…..even though you may like it very
much.
You may like very much, to drink alcohol, get drunk, cohabit with strange women
outside marriage ties…..move naked on the street…….indulge in usury……all these
things you may like yourself, but they are sins.

But observing God’s laws, commands, instructions on your self and trying your best
that your wife and family also adhere to them is not evil and not sin.
But if any one is cruel to his wife and children or imposes restrictions which are
outside the limits allowed by God and His messenger, then he is wrong and
committing sin and evil.
The examples you have mentioned that you have a very biased and unreasonable
opinion about Islam and Muslims and are in habit of generalizing.
I can also quote crimes of much higher degree from your own society…but I would
be wrong o say that every one in your society is like that.
Evil people and extremists are not the prerogative of Islam and Muslims only, they
are found in all societies!!
Q. 138, who="Crusader Princess"
Islam is not a nation. But just out of curiosity, replace them as

what? If you're talking about replacing them in terms of power,
cultural achievements, or any other leadership position, Muslim
countries were "replaced" a long time ago. Nothing of any value
comes out of Muslim countries but the oil
Ans.
There are many words which have lost their original sense after so many centuries.
Quran refers to Muslims as "Ummah" which denotes a large group....it is free from
geographical and linguistics and cultural restrictions.
Any human being irrespective of his or her caste, creed, language, locality can
become a member of this Ummah by just accepting its basic tenets and by acting on
them.
In Quran Allah warns Muslims that if they turn back from the true path....Allah would
replace them with another "QAUM" i.e. another group of people and they (these New
people) would not be like you!!
This is a dire warning to every Muslim of every age....that they should not think that
Islam is their monopoly or Allah is dependent on them for propagation of His
message and His Deen of Islam.
No you are not right, Muslims have not yet been replaced by any other people.
Muslims have lost the pole position top lead the world because of their non
conformance to teachings of Quran and teachings of prophet…..but it is wrong to say
that people who are now leading the world are doing God’s work or spreading His
Deen.

But the scenario is there…..Muslims are trying to hide their religion and feeling shy to
act on it….while more and more of Non Muslims in Europe and America and Asia are
coming into fold of Islam.
It could happen that present Muslims are replaced by these new generations of New
Muslims….it is in the hands and plan of Allah, and He knows best.
But we existing Muslims at no time should feel complacent or feel that we are
Owners of Islam and if we do not practice Islam, no one else will
Q. 139, who="Captcanuck"
Your contempt for the United Nations is known no surprise there.

Islam's goal is to conquer the planet and force everyone to live
under there despicable Sharia law.
Muslim immigrants come with ideas to transform our society into

Islamic states thus Islamic immigrants are not welcome.
We are dealing with a intolerant hostile religion bent on conquest.
Ans.
Have you seen Contempt of Israel and USA towards the same UNO when they
criticize any of their actions!
They are nothing compared to my criticism of UNO.!!
How many times US and Israel have boycotted UNO sessions and UN meetings,
when they criticized Israel for its actions.
Now you are coming to me and presenting UNO as some Angel whose every word is
to be appreciated.
Muslim immigrants come to your lands to live in a better standard of life and be able
to live like a true Muslim. They first demand that they should be governed by Shariah
law, in matters which affect their faith and life.
Then Islam is a missionary religion, every Muslim should be a missionary, it is their

duty to educate other people about Islam and save them from the problems of the Last
day. If they present their faith in a logical and reasonable way and try to prove that
Shariah laws are in fact better than man made laws and can solve most of your
society’ problem, what is wrong in that?
Why should you consider that as a hostile religion and hostile way of life? They have
your welfare at heart.

Q.140, Who=Tiger 7
You say it the duty of Muslims to spread the message of Allah,

which is supposedly why you post on this forum.
It is the duty of Christians to spread the word of Jesus. You expect

to be shown tolerance when you come to a Western forum and
preach Islam.
Why?
What would happen if a Christian began to spread the word of Jesus

in Saudi Arabia? Or Iran? , Tell us.
Ans.
Yes I agree to the right of Christians to spread their message of Christianity as we

Muslims have the right to spread the message of Islam.
But there is a catch…..Truth and falsehood cannot be given equal right, no society
does that. So those who have already come into the true path of Islam……it is unfair
for their Governments to allow them to be mislead and accept the wrong path. That is
why Muslim nations and Muslim societies do not allow other religions to be preached
and propagated in Islamic countries.
If you say, we will also allow Islam not to be preached in our countries? You are
right, but if you do so, you open your nation for Islamic Jihad. Because the main aim
of Islamic Jihad is to break down the resolve of those who put hindrances in the
propagation of Islam.
It is birthright of Islam to be propagated in all corners of the world. But it does not
allow any one to be converted to Islam by force. The conversion should be by free
choice.
It is like I said, separate rules for truth and falsehood!!
Tolerance and freedom of speech is OK, but it should be used in the spread of truth,
justice and brotherhood and in the cause and service for humanity. Not to profane the
names and characters of religious personalities of other faiths or to spread hate and
injustice and falsehood and bigotry in the world.
It is a resource and it should be used carefully and with diligence.

Q.141, Does Western People Fear Islam?
Ans.
Fear of Islam and Muslims:
I have been asked to PROVE that Western Civilization is indeed afraid from Islam
and Muslims. Before I say something, let me build a suitable foundation for my
arguments:
A. Why People Fear Any thing?
1. The fear comes from survival, when we feel that our lives or our property or our
way of life, or our country is going to loose its battle for survival from some person,
some nation and some philosophy, we feel fear from it and take corrective actions for
our survival.
B. Fear Of Communism:
1. For example, just after WW-2, When communism was on the rise, and there was
widespread fear in western world, that it will be dominant philosophy of the world
and would threaten their way of life, both on intellectual level as well as on military
level. They started to have FEAR about communism. During those days, every other
film, every new fiction novel, Newspaper articles were full of “Barbaric and Inhuman
ways of these Communists”. USA even went to war in Korea and Vietnam to contain
this “cancer of Communism”. They created NATO and other military alliances to
counter it.
2. Now the same communism, poses no threat to Western world, as it has become a
spent force, so they do not waste their time worrying about Communism any more.
You will hardly find any fiction book or film speaking about those “Inhuman
Soviets”.
C. Fear from other religions:
1. There are many religions in the world, whose followers could be in very large
quantity. Like Hinduism, Buddhism, Sikhism etc….
2. But since these religions pose no threat to Western people and their way of life, you
will hardly find any one going to demolish their ideological thinking. Even though
Hindus and Buddhists may claim that their way of life is much superior to Christian’
and their’ is the only true way of life!!
D. Fear of Jews:
1. When Jesus started to spread his message, his immediate opponents were jews, that
is why you will find every book of NT arguing against Jews.
2. The same holds for earliest Christian writings (including of St. Paul), they all argue
against Jews and their way of thinking.

3. But after 300 years or so, when Christians was firmly established in the land, there
was no fear from Jews. So you will hardly find any literature condemning “jews and
their evil ways”. It became an insignificant topic.
E. The case of Islam:
1. The case of Islam is very different. It started as a philosophy and a way of life,
which was contradicting Christian beliefs and way of life in every sense, for example:
a. Christians say “Jesus is God and Son of God”, Muslims say, God does not Begat
any son or daughter.
b. Christians say “God is in Triune Form”, Muslims say “God is absolute unity” and
there is No Trinity.
c. Christians say “Jesus died for our sins”. Muslims say “No one dies for any other’s
sins, every one is responsible for his own deeds”
2. Then Muslims conquered nations of Syria, Lebanon, Palestine, Egypt, Yemen,

Abyssinia, Spain …..and others which were controlled by Christians and very soon,
most of people got converted to Islam.
3. This created Fear in the minds of Christian and they went on attacking Islam and
Muslims. That was the beginning of hate literature in Christian countries against
Islam. Crusade wars and fights with Muslim fanned this hatred, bias and fear.
4. But most of Pre-Colonial literature against Islam was based on ignorance and pure
hate. So much so that no one in Modern Time would even look at it and quote from it.
5. But even though in Colonial Period, Muslims were defeated militarily and most of
Muslim nations were under rule by European, there still was “theological threat” of
Islam against Christianity. That is when European Scholars started to study Arabic so
as to understand Islam and counter it with logic and reasons.
6. So these people learned Arabic and then wrote books against Islam. These
“learned Scholars” analyzed the “personality and psychology of Prophet” and reached
different conclusions. William Muir , and Prof. Margoliath, and Montgomery Watt all
reached contradictory conclusions. For the past 200 years more than 60,000 books
have been written against Islam and Muslims in the west.
7. What is the reason for it? If Islam is such a black box, why people are attracted to
it? Why people in the west get attracted to it? The basic reason is the same, because
Islam is the only philosophy which can look Christianity in the eye and counter it on
every level. What is more, they use the same Bible and prove that Christians are
wrong in their beliefs about Jesus and other prophets.

Pakistan news
Attacks with bombs and firearms in Pakistan, targeting houses of

worship for a persecuted religious minority, killed at least 80 people
Friday, a senior government official said.
More mayhem in an Islamic state what's new i guess.
The religious freedom commission, an independent, bipartisan U.S.
government body, said in its latest annual report that " …..
Why the state sponsored discrimination by the Pakistan government
against the Ahmadi MUQ
Ans.
A. Attack on Ahmadi Places of Worship:
Did you expect that I would support this atrocity against these people because they are
not Muslims? I have told many times that I am against killing of ANY and EVERY
innocent men, women and children, irrespective of what is his religion, color,
nationality and ethnicity.
The situation in Pakistan is beyond control. It is not only Ahmadi that are being
targeted, these attacks are taking place on all mosques and I am totally against such
attacks. The culprits irrespective of who they are, to whom they represent…must be
punished and be shown no mercy.
B. Ahmadi as Non Muslims:
Having said that, let me say that I also consider Ahmadis as Non Muslims. In their
literature they call every Non Ahmadi as infidel and do not accept them as Muslims,
while on the other hand they try to deceive innocent people by having names like
Muslims and pretending to be Muslims.
I am of the view that they are believers of another religion and should be treated like
Non Muslims.
We muslims do not call ourselves Christians or Jews or Hindus and try to mingle with
them on religious grounds. Eventhough we respect Moses, Jesus and all other
prophets of God. We believe them to be Muslims, but we keep our identity separate
and we will be offended if some one calls us Jews or Christians or Hindus.
C. Finality of Prophet hood of Mohammad essential requirement:
It is a requirement for anyone to be a Muslim that no prophet shall come after Prophet
Mohammad. This is an issue on which every Muslim Scholar of every age has the
same opinion.

By believing in another prophet after Last prophet Mohammad, they have finally
severed their link with the Islamic Ummah (Nation), why should they come for Hajj
which is pilgrimage for Non Muslims? (according to them).
Muslims through out their history have not tolerated any so called “New Prophet” to
survive. It was only due to British rule in India, that this cancer of Qadiayni faith
could grow to this level. Otherwise in Islamic country Mirza Ghulam Ahmad
Qadiyani (so called prophet of Ahmadis) would have been killed by sword in the very
beginning of his mission.
But they keep on spreading mischief against Islam and Muslims and against Pakistan
and mislead new converts into entering their faith.
But these theological differences does not mean that we should kill their innocent
men, women and children who come for prayers or move in markets or live
peacefully in their houses. They should live as any Non Muslims are living in Muslim
countries.
Q.143, who=Gupta
Dear MUQ
Thanks for appreciation, As for the morals and ethics are concerned
Those who claim about human rights Are the biggest abusers of
human rights .
Your input is very informative But the real problem with Islamic
world is Munafiqat and double standards, Like Saudi Wahebism is
not real Islam It is a political Agenda not Islam .
When Wahebis find anything against Royal Family

They Make it Haram with fatwa.... Well Let us all hope ,,,for the
justice, Before day of justice
Ans.
I also thank you for your knowledgeable posts.
Now let me clarify some thing regarding Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia is no standard
for all Muslims of the world. It is a country that houses the Two Holiest Shrines for
all Muslims and it is deeply related with the life history of our prophet. That is why it
is a holy place in the eyes of all Muslims.
Muslims from all over the world, gather here for annual pilgrimage and year round
visits to the holy lands of Makkah and Medina.

King and the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia takes proper care of the holy places and take
care of religious visitors in a good way which no other government does or could do.
This is a fact, and we recognize and respect that.
It says that Islam and Islamic principles are its constitution, but it is not 100 % Islamic
state. Its trade, banking and political system is not 100 % Islamic and they follow
mixed principles for these things.
Then Saudi Arabia is a strict monarchy, and every monarchy has its own rules.
Survival is the most important rule of any monarchy and this country is no exception.
Now coming to Wahabism, in fact in Islamic jurisprudence there is no term like

Wahabi or Wahabism. This is a nickname invented by Non Muslims (and picked up
by many Muslims also) and used as an abuse to denote any movement that asks for
country to be run according to Islamic guidelines.
Since Saudi Arabia profess to be run on Islamic principles, by its very definition it is a
Wahabi state!! The religious scholars here are given certain freedom to speak and on
certain issues to speak, after that they are asked to keep quite.
Islamic scholars here have no real powers here and they speak within their
boundaries.
Fatwa , I think you know is religious opinion on any practical situation faced by any
individual. It has no executive power behind it, it is the Executive Power (court or
Govt.) that can enforce it.
I do not know of any religious scholar who will make willingly any Halal thing as
Haram or any Haram thing as Halal.
There are of course, political fatwas, but they are as short lived as the person for
whom that fatwa was given!!
I hope that you understand meanings behind my post.
Why is it so that Muslims within Australia have to import Imams

from other countries for spiritual guidance.
Why can't our Muslims choose an Australian born to take on these

positions seeing Muslims have been in Australia for such a long
time. If it were so, we wouldn't have overseas people like Sheik
Halaly and others who bring spiritual baggage that inflames our
fragile society with their comments on women in general.

With Australian born Imams there would be less strife as these

same people understand our culture and our values which would
lead to better understanding and respect for Muslims, Australia
wide.
Ans.
You have posed a very good and pertinent question.
In Islam there is no restriction as to who can lead the prayers and who can be
considered as a Scholar. Any one who can recite Quran properly in Arabic can lead
prayers and be Imam for the congregation.
In the same way, any one who has acquired knowledge of Quran and prophet’s
sayings and have studied Islam can become a Islamic scholar.
There is no restriction that such person should be a “born Muslim” of from any other
region.
Islamic history is filled with case where New Muslims and recently converted Muslim
rose to highest level of Scholarship and were accepted as such by most Muslims.
In the present case, the problem is because of joint congregation and Western New
Muslims are not very conversant with recitation of Quran in Arabic.
If More Western people convert to Islam and try to learn recitation of Quran in
Arabic, there is no reason why they have to import Imams from outside.
It would be a happy occasion for islam and Muslims when original citizens of these
countries become Imams and Scholars of Islam.
Q.145, who="thinkaboutit"
Poor MUQ.
Please allow me to explain. Here in the developed world we have
institutions known as libraries. They are public institutions that our
tax money pays for. Inside of these libraries we have things
commonly referred to as 'books', though many libraries now are
becoming not only places for books, but also for electronic media.
All of these things supply us with the information we need in our
society and in order for our society to function.
What I would like to suggest is that you work toward building a

democracy in Saudi, where you seem to live. Build libraries and
stock them full of books. Teach people how to read them.

Ans.
Thanks for your friendly advise and I do appreciate it. I have few comments to make
on your post, which I hope you will listen with patience:
A. Gaining of Knowledge:
1. Islam is all for acquiring every type of useful knowledge.
2. You might not know it, the first word revealed to our prophet from Quran was
“IQRA” which means to “Read or Recite” and in that first revelation, mention was
made to use of pen as a means of knowledge. This first revelation and reading and
pen is given to a prophet who did not know how to read and how to write!!
3. Can you guess, who were the real addressees of this message?
4. Our prophet said that “Wisdom and knowledge” are lost treasures of a Muslim. He
grabs it wherever he finds it and he is supposed to have said “Acquire knowledge
even if you have to go to China” (a far away place from Arabia).
5. It was because of this importance to knowledge that very soon Muslims became the
most learned persons of whole world and were the leading nation in the world for
many centuries.
B. Libraries:
1. You may not know it, but every Muslim house and every Muslim city had a library
of its own.
2. In days when there was no printing press and books had to be written and copied by
hands, it was a thriving business in every Muslim country to have as many writers as
possible.
3. Go to any good library in any big Western City and just go thru the lest of Arabian
and Persian manuscripts and you would be surprised at the diverse titles they cover.
4. When Europe was deep under darkness, it were books and libraries in Muslim
countries which were the sources of learning.
5. It was thru Islamic Spain that knowledge and learning went to European Christian
nations and now you have “advanced” to such a state that you have cheek to tell us
what is a Library and what is its purpose!!
C. Democracy:
1. It is Islam which gave the real meaning of democracy both in theory and in
practice.

2. Ruler should be chosen with the consent of people and he should act on the advise
of a governing council was practiced in the earliest Islamic society.
E. Women’ Rights:
1. The rights which Islam gives to women are unparalleled in any human society.
2. In western society the women is more exploited than given rights. The beauty with
western system is that they use the word which has exactly opposite meaning to what
they actually do, for example:
- “Women Rights” really mean “Exploitation of Women’ body”
- “Democracy” really means “Rule of a small Minority over a large majority”
- “Drink” really means imbibing Alcohol
- “Drug” really means use of “Narcotic intoxicants”.
- “Gay” really means “Sodomites and Lesbians”
- “Cultural event” really means “free show of women bodies and free mixing of
sexes”.
- “Defense” really means “Power to attack and destroy enemy”
There are many such words which are exact opposite to what they really mean. So we
are not swayed by the High Sounding words which you use.
F. Hard Core Signs of civilization:
I think that you considered us to be in stone age, that is why you mentioned only “soft
signs” of a developing civilization, what about the “Real signs of an Advanced
Civilization” like:
- Peep show, strip tease and Live show joints?
- Gay clubs and Nude colonies?
- Cabaret dancing all Night dancing and Drinking clubs?
- Gambling joints and Casinos?
- Old age homes where parents are to be “deposited” when they grow up?
- Live in relationships and bastard children? Premarital sex, free sex, change of
partners and all “variety” in sexual relationship.
- Incest and growing domestic violence

- Sex with domestic and farm animals
- Homosexual marriages and equal rights to these on the line with “weird” marriages
(I mean where both partners belong to different sex!! What strange thing!!).
Do you think we are “too young” to be told of such things. Or do you think that when
we take “first bite” from your poisoned apple, we will reach to the same “advanced
civilized” state where you have already reached.
Nevertheless I thank you for your “sincere advice”. You know the world as you have
seen around you and think this is the best of the best world.
It is not your choice, but it is “forced” on you.
Q.146,
You're right about much of what you wrote, but imagine if the shoe
was on the other foot, and your kind ran the world! Would we non-
muslims be allowed to build huge temples and churches and other
non-muslim structures in the middle of your biggest countries?
Would we be allowed religious freedom and our women be allowed
to walk in your streets dressed the way we prefer?
Would your kind allow our men to marry your women and convert
them? I don't think so. The west gets a lot of crap thrown in our
face and all your people do is complain about discrimination and
harassment, gee who flew a couple of planes into the middle of
N.Y.C. ten years ago? Who has been planning the logistics and
using natives of your countries who became citizens of these same
western countries who took in a lot of the most extreme elements
of your societies and let them worship and plot in our countries?
The pendulum keeps getting pushed higher and higher, and if

Obama gets pushed out by someone more extreme than him or
Bush, we're all going to be in trouble...
Ans.
You speak as if this situation did not exist in any Muslim country before and this is
the latest catastrophe which would befall Non Muslims living in Islamic society.
In Islamic societies, Non Muslims have freedom to build their places of worship and
live their lives according to their customs.

They are at freedom to follow their personal laws and in many countries (before the
current wave of Nationalism came 100 or 200 years back), they were even allowed to
follow their own criminal laws, if the dispute was between themselves.
Marriage of Muslim women to Non Muslim males are not permitted in Islam.
As time passes, it is becoming clear that 9/11 was a very high ranking conspiracy and
the real culprit were never identified or traced. For past 10 years US and its Mighty
army is running after red herrings.
There are extremists in every religion and in every country and Muslim nations are no
exceptions to it.
But it is the media, who paints every Muslim with the same brush. They give so
much highlight to these Extremist elements that voices of Vast Muslim Majority is
not heard.
If they would have given it due importance, these elements would have been curbed,
but Media is biased and they have their own agenda to malign all Muslims.
Extremism is not good for any nation and US is no exception. If they get some one
worse than GWB (which seems impossible as on now), it is US and its citizen which
would suffer maximum and not other people.
Remember Hitler, he lead his nation into destruction. Hitler suffered less, but his
country and millions of his countrymen suffered much more than him.
Q.147, who="JOEL PASTAKIA"
How should non-Muslims be treated in an Islamic state? What will

be their status and what rights and privileges and freedom will they
enjoy?
Ans.
This is a wide ranging issue and there are many details of Jurisprudence which are
mentioned in Islamic books of Jurisprudence.
But I would answer only main outlines on this issue, which people misuse to malign
Islam and Muslims:
A. Status of Non Muslims in an Islamic state:
1. Non Muslims in Islamic state are given a status of “protectorate” (Called DIMMI
in Arabic). They are protected by the Islamic state, in lieu of a small sum which they
pay to the Islamic state.
2. Once they have paid their dues, Islamic state will protect their lives, properties and
their religious buildings.

3. If any Muslim violates this protection, he will be punished for that and if he kills
any of them, he would be killed in lieu thereof.
4. They will have full freedom of practice their religion, their customs and their
personal laws.
5. They could even have their own courts to judge any disputes between them,
however if any dispute is between them and Muslim , then it will be referred to
Islamic courts.
6. They will have freedom of engage in any trade and they will pay tax as other
Muslims pay on trade.
7. They will be given same status in Government jobs, except for some sensitive and
top posts and issues which are related to Islamic religious organizations.
8. They can practice their religion, but they will not be allowed to propagate their
religion amongst Muslims and they will not stop any of their fellows if he willingly
wants to accept Islam.
9. This and if they have obtained any other concession from state at the time of
entering into the contract, that shall be upheld.
Q.148, Who=PFJ
You don't get it. Your religion may be true to you, but to others it is
not. Islam's laws violate the right of non-muslims right to worship
as they please. My freedom would be violated, I would either have
to convert, or pay a tax, or be killed under Islam law. You don't get
that. That is what Muhammad forced upon non-muslims. Muslims
have a right to worship GOD like anyone else. But they don't have a
right to force anyone to live under their laws.
The Prophets life does not compare to Jesus Christ.

Who healed the blind-Jesus did
Who raised the dead-Jesus did
Who forgave the adulterer/ess-and did not stone her to death-

Jesus did "He who is without sin cast the first stone".
who became an adulterer when he took his nephews wife as his own
by progressive revelation-Mohammed
Ans.
If my religion would be true to others why will they not accept it? But you are wrong
to say that my religion prevents others from practicing their religion.

If you want to live as a Non Muslim in an Islamic country, you have to pay a tax. In
which country you can live without paying taxes? So why you harp so much about
that?
Muslims have to pay much more tax than Non Muslims have to pay. Is it positive
discrimination or negative discrimination?
Non Muslims do not have to take part in wars. For the tax they pay, Islamic state
protects them.
Islam never restricts Non Muslims right to worship, this is a false propaganda against
Islam.
Mohammad versus Jesus:
You are right, life of our prophet cannot be compared with Jesus. In the same way
life of Jesus cannot be compare with Moses or David or Solomon.
Even though they all were prophets of God, but their missions were different.
Mission of jesus was to reform Jewish religion and announce the nearness of
forthcoming Kingdom of God.
Our prophet’s mission was to ESTABLISH KINGDOM OF GOD ON EARTH and

He did it!!
Despite all these things which jesus did, what was the end result?
- His chosen disciples left him and flood when they were most needed by their master.
- He was put to death like a common criminal on a cross
When our prophet died, whole of Arabia was Muslim and he had pleasure to see more
than 124,000 of his companions performing Last Hajj with him!!
How could we compare life of Jesus with Life of Mohammad.?
One learned western scholar put that thing nicely when he said “when I compare
statements of Jesus with statements of Mohammad, it seems as if a small child is
speaking in front of a grown up man highly accomplished in worldly affairs”!!
That is why Encyclopedia Britannica Calls our Prophet as the Most |Successful of all
religious personality and the Book Top 100. most influential men in history: Puts Our
Prophet at #1 and Jesus at # 3.!!
I can feel your envy and jealousy my dear, but truth must be told!!
And for your info, we respect and revere all prophets of God and as prophets we do
not distinguish between one and other. But their missions were different and they
were gifted with different qualities.

Q.149, who="Buford"
The real question is why the Islamic "Golden Age" ended. Do you
blame the Jews for that?
Ans.
No "golden age" lasts for ever for any nation. Every nation gets a chance and then
they have a downfall from that pole position. it is the same case with Greeks,
Romans, Muslims, British, Communists and other nations too.
If one nation always stays on top of the world for all times, it would be harmful for
the progress and overall welfare for the humanity.
That is why Allah says in Quran “And is Allah does not check out one set of people
by another, the earth would indeed be full of mischief: But Allah is full of bounty for
all the Worlds” (2:251)
The reason for downfall for Muslims from the top position to their present are
many….and they started when Muslims lost the “lust for knowledge and drive to
excel in every thing….then they got divided into sects and started fighting with each
other….and there are many reasons for that”.
Jews had no direct role in that, except for their desire and wishes to see Muslims go
town from that position (a mixture of envy and jealousy that is natural for people in
bottom to look for those at top).
But Islam is more than just ruling the world….it is a message for getting salvation in
the hereafter also. So if it is not ruling the world, means that it has lost its claim to the
second part also.
The message of Islam is for all humankind and in every level of their worldly power
or possession.
The missionary spirit of Islam is still alive and will continue to be preached and
propagated to all humans in this world.
Q. 150, who="my kind of town"
The Church has shown contrition. Please cite examples of humility

on the part of ayatollahs, sheiks, imams, emirs, princes and suicide
bombers.
You are consumed by the Islamic seed of desire to dominate. It will

destroy your religion...or what is left of "religion," since Islam today
is merely another version of a ruling party.
Ans.

There is hardly any "ruling party" who abides by Islamic law in full in any country!!
Most rulers of so called 50 odd "Islamic and Muslim dominated countries" are
influenced by the Western thoughts and they are at odds with overwhelming majority
of their own countrymen.
It is common folk, the common Muslims who want to adhere to Islam and its
teachings.
You got confused Islam with Communist nations where Communist party was
adhering to Communism as a policy as well as a “state religion”
In Islam, there is no “official interpreter” and no hierarchical priesthood, so that any

one can speak as “official spokes person of Islam” as Pope does for RC
Church has to apologize, because it unleashed untold suffering on its followers and to
others who opposed it. So it has no other way, but to issue apology upon apology
(while all the time being guided by the Holy Spirit and being the Vicar of Jesus
Christ!!)....when they were committing those inhuman acts and now when they are
apologizing.
Islam on the other hand has to issue no apology to anyone!!
Islam's teachings are based on truth, justice and fairplay. If any one misused it, he did
it in his personal capacity and no blame for that can be attached to islam!!
Q. 151, who="Captain"
I've been thinking about this muslim religion, and have concluded
that they have a lot of things figured out way ahead of most
Americans, such as:
Ans.
I will post short replies to your “help list” to improve US society along the lines of
Muslim society.
As usual you have forgotten the Most Important “To Do” list in the life of a Muslim
and concentrated on side issues. To set the record straight, let me first list those
fundamental teachings of Islam:
A. To believe in absolute one ness of God and worship only True God of universe and
no one else.
B. To believe in all messengers and prophets send by God and then believe in the
Prophet hood and messengership of Last and Final prophet in that long chain, the
Prophet Mohammad.

C. To believe in all the Books send by God for guidance of humanity in all ages and
to all nations and then believe in the Lst Book sent by God to His Last Prophet,
Quran.
D. To believe in the Last day and do Good Deeds to please God and Hope for
salvation on last day, based on faith and good deeds.
E. Follow the commands of God and His messenger in all sections of your life to the
best of your ability.
Now I take up the issues mentioned by you:
1. Women simply need to be put back in their place. They need to wear burkas, they
shouldn't drive or have a job, they are only the property of their husband (husbands
can have multiple wives) and their only purpose is to serve their husband and teach
his children to respect him. Also no male Doctor should examine them.
MUQ: Women’s duty is to take care of house and children and men’s duty is to earn
livelihood for the family…..each role is equally important and there is no superiority
of one over the other.
Both men and women have to dress modestly and cover their secret parts when they
go out. In case of me, it is from navel to knees, in case of woman, her full body
should be covered. Burqa is one mean, but people could choose other means.
Women is not the property of her husband, she has her rights, she has share in
inheritance of her parents, her husband and her children.
Driving by woman is no taboo…..during age of prophet, women used to ride on camel

and horses.
It is best if a lady doctor should examine a lady, it is best for both of them however if
no such lady doctor is available, then women could go to male doctors also.
2. After communism has failed, and the Christians have been killed off by the atheists,
then the natural next step is for muslims to take over and institute a theocratic
government.
MUQ: Who has killed all the Christians? I think there are more than 2 Billion
Christians present in the world. In Islam there is no separation between state and
religion, so there is no theocracy in Islam. There is no hierarchical priesthood and no
“official interpreters” of Islamic laws. Any Muslim can reach to that level by his
study of Quran and Prophet’s sayings.
3. Society needs to be kept in technology that was only found during 700AD.
MUQ: No that is not correct. Muslims contributed to growth of Science and

Technology when they ruled the world between 700-1400 CE. Muslim’s contribution
in various fields is evident by “Arabic names” that are still present in many of these
fields.

4. Women cannot vote or serve in public office or even be allowed to talk to anyone
outside of immediate family (and even then, very respectfully)
MUQ: There is no restriction for women to vote (should there be any need of it)…
women can talk to strangers if need be….and every Muslim (male of female) has to
be respectful when talking to any one. It is not only for women.
5. Every man should be well armed.
MUQ: Self defense is allowed in every religion and in every society. A Muslim must
also be prepared for self defense and take whatever precaution is needed. I think it is
USA which is more to blame for allowing free usage and stock of hand guns, rifles
and revolvers.
6. the mother should beat the daughter in-law when needed.
MUQ: I doubt if that is Law in Islam….in fact mother has no right to hit daughter in
law…..may be you got confused with Hindu social system…..where daughter in law
burning has reached epidemic proportion!!
7. All marriages should be by parental selection and all brides be a virgin.
MUQ: Marriages should be by consent of Bride and Bridegroom. Man can propose
for hands of woman thru her guardian (as free mixing of males and females is not
allowed ). If any girl is to be married for the first time, she will be a virgin, but for
widows and those who remarry, how can they be virgins?
8. homosexuality is not tolerated.
MUQ: Yes, a Muslim society shall be free from the curse of Homosexuality. These
“Sick and perverted persons” shall not be tolerated in Muslim society. The world
would be a better place if it is cured from this “disease”
9. jobs and government is secondary to family and religion.
MUQ: Earning living for family is the duty of male members , so jobs and trade are
one of the fundamental duties of Muslims. So are his duties to his God and to his
family. In Islam every one gives preference to each duty and does not neglect any
thing.
10. no infidels allowed.
MUQ: Infidels are tolerated, because there is no force to convert any one to Islam.
They will not rise to the top position of Islamic state (so as to deal with secrets of state
and position to influence the policies).
All in all, following Islamic system, would cure most of the “diseases” that present
US society is suffering with and would be a boon to its decaying moral values.

Q. 152, West’ Position on Mosques in their cities
Posted without comment- MUQ
Monday, September 06, 2010
The international Mosque imbroglio
Much that US writers would prefer to localize the issue of Mosque at Ground Zero, or
anywhere else on mainland US, there is a wider perspective that cannot be ignored if
the drift of events have to be forewarned and foretold.
As I see it, the Mosque problem starts with Al Aqsa Mosque that is believed to be
built over the Jewish Temple, destroyed by Romans. The Wall is still there for all the
world Jewry to remind that there was once a grand Temple there. The Jews are
reasonably aspiring to rebuild the old temple, preferably at the same site.
The problem is that the site is now occupied for over a 1000 years by a Mosque that is
the third most sacred Mosque for 1.5 billion Muslims of the world, after that of Mecca
and Medina Harams(Mosque). The Aqsa Mosque was Muslim's first Qibla, the
direction to which they faced while praying five times a day.
Even though in 1967, Jordan lost control of the site, the city of Jerusalem; the holy
sites of the 3 Abrahamanical religions are internationally recognized as disputed land.
Short of getting outright and full effective control of the Al Aqsa Mosque, Israelis
have to do with all kinds of ruse to make life difficult for Muslims of the city so that
they should hopefully, eventually, leave the place and let Jews built its old Temple.
That just is not possible in these times and age. Israel has big power, but it cannot
withstand the backlash if any damaged to Al Aqsa Mosque is even rumored. Enter
conspiracies. Jewish conspirators had spotted that India too has a similar case of a
Mosque having been built supposedly on a site widely believed to be the site of the
birth of Hindu avatar/God Ram. ..
A big conspiracy between the two major political parties, allowed over a lakh of
rabble-rouser to demolish the 500 year old structure, though in fact through
implosions inside the old Mosque that caved in just like the two World Trade Centre
Buildings, all in heap and dust. The world media made it out that it was the sole work
of demolition by an enraged mob, the Kar Sevaks.
The civil suit over the ownership of the 500 year site is in the court for last decade and
over, and a ruling is expected this month, September 16, 2010, probably. Big trouble
is expected. But the political consideration in India may preclude major disaster, as
that will deeply damage the ruling Congress Party's prospects in the coming general
elections.
Zoom away from India and focus on Ground Zero. Nobody knows whose idea it was
to build an 'Islamic Center' or Mosque near Ground Zero. An educated guess is that it

has something to do with Democratic Party's effort to reclaim US goodwill with

Muslim World, severely eroded during Bush/Cheney period.
Imam Rauf is in full cooperation with US State Department and had made trips
abroad pumping for US overtures to Muslim World. Naturally, all this is anathema to
Republicans in general and American Jewish Neo-cons in particular. They have
wasted no time in making a big scandal about the Mosque project with a view to
reposition Republicans once again in mainstream public gaze. …
It is worth noting, that in all the 3 centers of conflicts, Al Aqsa, Babri and Ground
Zero, the legal land rights are all with the Muslims.
The media and mass agitation is organized and mobilized, especially by Jewish
proxies, to scare Muslims in giving up their legitimate rights.
Both in India and in Jerusalem, Muslims have not given in to the arm-twisting. One
hopes that American Muslims too would stand up for their constitutional rights and
not be cowed down by the organized mob actions unleashed by their detractors.
(Abridged)
Q. 153, How Western Media distorts Islam and Muslim’s

image:
Ans.
People who listen to News from Western Media do not realize when the Views are
Superimposed over the News. This is done so subtly and in such a slow manner and
the performers are so expert…..that people with superficial knowledge are not able to
distinguish between the two.
I want to take a simple example of Crescent Moon Sighting as I listened on a BBC

broadcast a few years back, it was regarding Ramadan or Eid Moon Sighting.
A. First the facts and backgrounds:
1. Islamic months start and end with the sighting of crescent moon. This is a
Universal fact which is known to any one who has any knowledge about Islam.
2. The moon sighting for other months are largely ignored and do not get any media
attention, because no festival is linked with it. However it is Ramadan, Eid and Hajj
Crescent moons which get wide publicity because fasting and festivals of Eid and
Hajj rituals are linked with it.
3. Since times of rising of moon are different in different countries, it is not unlikely
that Months start on different dates in different Muslim countries and Ramadan
ending and Eid festivals are celebrated on different days in Muslim countries. Any
one having any knowledge about islam is aware of this fact.

4. Saudi Arabia and Iran have a time difference of 60-90 Minutes in their respective
countries. So it is CUSTOMARY AND LOGICAL to have different dates for
Ramadan and Eid in the two countries, especially if the moon belongs to 29 days. It is
UNUSUAL if they have the same date!!
5. No Muslim feels any problem due to this difference of dates and it is considered as
NORMAL if Eid in Saudi Arabia does not coincide with Eid in Iran , Iraq, Turkey,
India, Pakistan or Indonesia etc.
6. These facts must be known to BBC staff, who were reporting sighting of Moon in
Saudi Arabia on the mentioned date.
7. Now let us see , How the actual reporting went.
B. Actual reporting of BBC:
1. They reported “Today New moon of Ramadan (or Eid) was sighted in Saudi Arabia
and tomorrow is the First day of Ramadan (or Eid) in that country and other Gulf
countries……however the moon was not sighted in Iran and they will have start of
their month on another day.
2. “Iran Govt. does not accept Moon sighted in Saudi Arabia and they most of the
times insist on their own dates. Differences between Saudi Arabia and Iran are
different on most religious issues …..” (end of News)
3. Did you notice how the BBC reporter instead of informing their readers as to how
this natural difference of dates originates, was harping on Differences between Saudi
Arabia and Iran.
4. They took more than three or minutes harping on the difference….that is how they
program and brain wash the people and those who are their regular listeners, The
“Views are superimposed over News”.
This was one example; I can give hundreds of example of such type. Is it not strange
that Western Media and their reporters are so IGNORANT of a Major World religion,
which has its followers in EVERY Country of the world?
Is this attitude due to mistake, ignorance, or deliberate? We can give benefit of doubt
one time or for two times, but when we see cases upon cases like that…..we are right
to assume that it is deliberate.

Q. 154, Islam will sooner or later dominate Europe: Italian priest

IANS, Sep 8, 2010,
LONDON: Christians in Europe must have more children or else the continent would
become Islamized, said a Vatican official who predicted that Islam would "sooner
rather than later conquer the majority in Europe".
Italian Father Piero Gheddo said the poor birth rate among Europeans coupled with
waves of Muslim immigrants could lead to Europe getting dominated by Islam.
"The challenge must be taken seriously," Daily Telegraph Tuesday quoted Father
Gheddo of the Vatican's Pontifical Institute for Foreign Missions as saying.
He said: "Certainly from a demographic point of view, as it is clear to everyone that

Italians are decreasing by 120,000 or 130,000 persons a year because of abortion and
broken families - while among the more than 200,000 legal immigrants a year in Italy,
more than half are Muslims and Muslim families, which have a much higher level of
growth."
"Newspapers and television programmes never speak of this. However, an answer

must be given above all in the religious and cultural fields and in the area of identity."
The official held Christians responsible for failing to live up to their own beliefs that
led to the creation of a "religious vacuum" being filled by Islam.
He said Islam would "sooner rather than later conquer the majority in Europe".
"The fact is that, as a people, we are becoming ever more pagan and the religious
vacuum is inevitably filled by other proposals and religious forces."
Gheddo went on to say that Christians were also making themselves vulnerable to
secularists' attacks. He stated that when "religious practice diminishes in Christian
Europe and indifference spreads, Christianity and the Church are attacked".
"If we consider ourselves a Christian country, we should return to the practice of

Christian life, which would also solve the problem of empty cradles."
A few months back, a Czech cardinal had also blamed lapsed Catholics for Europe's
Islamisation.
Cardinal Miloslav Vlk had said Muslims were well placed to fill the spiritual void
"created as Europeans systematically empty the Christian content of their lives".
He said that in case Christians didn't wake up to the threat they would one day realise
that they don't have the strength to make their mark on society.

PS: This is the type of hysteria they create in Non Muslim Societies. In India RSS
also beats the same drums. Muslims are bearing more children and Hindus are having
less children, very soon Hindus will become minority in India. A thing which did not
happen in 1000 years. Now we see the same tone from this Christian Preacher. -
MUQ

Chapter-5 Islam- 3
(On Prophet and Quran)

Q. 155, who=Dhruv
Wait, what is the Shahada, the first pillar of Islam
lâ ilâha illallâh, Muḥammadur rasûlullâh
There is no god but God, and Muhammad is the Messenger of God
This makes it pretty clear that Muhammad and the god Allah comes
in a single package. No one can remain a true follower of the god
Allah without believing Muhammad is his prophet.
The truth is there is no religion called Islam without Muhammad.

Even if a man believes in god, unless he surrenders to Islam and
Muhammad, your Mujahideen will certainly kill him.
Ans.
You started your post with a very good question……then your Anti Islamic bias and
hatred took you away on a tangent course to demonize our prophet.
Your first question is that in Islamic Shahadah, names of both Allah and Mohammad
are mentioned and no one can remain a Muslim, unless he or she believes in the
prophet hood of Mohammad…..You are right on both account!!
But you are wrong when you say that Islam equates Allah and Mohammad.!!
If you look at wordings of Shaadah, it gives the status of Both….Allah as God and
only one to be worshipped and Mohammad as His messenger and to show the way!!
So in no way , Islam equates Allah with Mohammad. He is a messenger appointed by

God to convey His message and present himself as a working model as to how to
implement those teachings in a human life.
If you reject Mohammad or any messenger of Allah, it means you are going against
the command of Allah and trying to fix you’re your own standards…..how can you be
a Muslim?
Muslim means ones who submits himself or herself to Allah’s will, not to impose his
or her own will on Allah!!
Regarding your criticism of our prophet, I feel amazed that you are so ignorant about
his life history despite being living in India where more than 200 Million Muslims
live and biographies of prophet Mohammad are so easily available.
Why be ignorant, and biased and take your information from gutters, when authentic
information from correct sources are available to you.

Q. 156, Who=US Born
John 14:16,17 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you
another Counselor, that he may abide with you for ever; even the
Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive because it neither
sees him nor knows him; you know him for he dwells in you, and
will be in you. Mohammed was not a Spirit.
John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the
Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring
all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
Mohammed was not the Holy Ghost
John 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto
you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth
from the Father, he shall testify of me:
Mohammed did not testify to the death and resurrection of the

Messiah. Either Mohammed lied or Jesus did.
Ans.
I am very happy that you have quoted from Gospel of John about the forthcoming
Comforter. There are many attributes of him mentioned here, let us list them one by
one and then check, is the prophesy about a Man or a Spooky Spirit:
1. Jesus says that “God will send another Comforter”:
a. Who was the “First Comforter”? Jesus of course.
b. What was Jesus? A combination of Flesh and soul
c. Then how come “another comforter” became only a Soul and no body? Prophet
Mohammad was both Soul and Body and like Jesus.
2. He will abide with you for ever:
a. What does that mean? It can also mean that his teachings shall be for ever. Any
prophet whose teachings are applicable could mean that he is still present with people.
b. There are examples in Bible itself for that. In the story of Lazarus, God says “…
that they have Moses and prophets….”
3. “The Spirit of truth”: It means that Comforter shall always speak truth. So much so
that he will be personified with Truth itself. Do you know, Title of our prophet in
Makkah, before he declared his mission was “AL SADIQ AL AMMEN” meaning
Truthful and Trust worthy !!

4. “whom the world cannot receive…….will be in you”: This is the typical style of
Gospel of John mystifying and talking in allegorical language. Who can prove that he
has Holy Ghost inside him?
4. “But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost….”:
a. The word Holy Ghost is wrong in this verse. It is correctly translates as “Holy
Spirit”. Every true prophet of God is the “Holy Spirit” and every evildoer is the
“Unclean spirit” This is clear form the study of Bible.
b. So this verse is not conclusive to say that Comforter in the Holy Ghost, the one in a
Trinity!!
5. “He shall teach you all things and bring into remembrance… ”
a. This is the key phrase of the prophesy. The comforter shall teach all things which
Jesus could not teach!!
b. Now what did Holy Ghost (that came on Pentecost day) taught the Christians? Not
even a word of that teaching is ever recorded any where. And Jesus said that
Comforter shall teach all things.
c. This is a conclusive proof that Comforter cannot be the Holy Ghost
6. “Comforter shall testify about me…”
a. You have added from your side that Comforter shall testify about death,
resurrection of jesus. Jesus never said that word!!
b. Our prophet did testify about jesus. He told the actual position of jesus before God.
He cleared all the cobwebs which teachings of Paul had placed around Jesus.
c. he did glorify Jesus by clarifying his actual status as one of the mightiest prophets
of God, born without any male intervention, showed many miracles by God’s
permission, not killed or crucified but take up into heaven and that he shall return
back to earth before the end of time.
d. he did for jesus, which no one could do for him….he made 15000 Million Muslims
believe in jesus, whom he could have easily ridiculed!!

Q. 157, who="Buford"
True enough, whereas you SHOULD be living under the law of

Moses if your supposed "prophet like Moses" had any intention of
honoring God's commands, but he ABROGATED everything that he
didn't like in the law of Moses, while adding lots of other ritualistic
crap that surrounded the Kaaba and predated Islam by centuries,
INCLUDING stone worship!
Ans.
You did not ponder on the phrase “Prophet Like Moses” ……not a “Prophet
following Moses”.
Since Moses was a Law Giver, so shall be the “Prophet Like Moses”….He shall bring
a New Law as Moses had brought to his people!!
That is why NONE of the Jewish prophets, including Jesus can qualify for this
criterion, because Jesus did not came to abolish Laws and Prophets, but to fulfill
them.
Our prophet did not ABROGATED Moses law in Toto. Islam retained what were the
best and time independent laws and abrogated that suited to a particular age and a
particular nation.
Selecting Kaaba as the New Direction of Prayer was an act of Genius….because in

reality Kaaba is older that Jerusalem!!
Kaaba was built by prophet Abraham and Ishmael, whereas Jerusalem has its links
only with Jacob.
You should give priority to rights of Grandparents and Uncle and not to Grandson!!
Q. 158, Who= ASOG
MUQ, nothing could be much further than the truth than what you
have just written. Islam will say it does not deny Jesus. But in
totality it does!
Jesus IS THE Son of GOD! Truth! Jesus suffered and died and rose
again from the dead on the third day! Truth. Jesus is the Savior -
THE Christ! Does Islam accept him or deny Him?
Muhammad was never ever the Comforter! Muhammad removed

the promises in Christ by denying the amnesty that God has given
to us all in Christ. Muhammad has promised Muslims hell when they
die. He was the most miserable among miserable comforters!

Ans.
These are your own beliefs which you impose on Jesus. Jesus is free from these
claims and on the day of judgment, you will have to answer to these false claims
about him to Jesus himself.
A. Jesus is the Son of God in the same sense as were many others before him. The
word Son of God simply means a godly person in jewish idiom. It is not to be taken
literally. Can you explain what is meaning of “Son of God”?
B. Jesus did not die on the cross, so there was no question of resurrection at all. He
was taken up bodily to heavens by God and from where he shall descend once again
before the end of time.
C. Jesus is the savior, right but for those who believe in his true message and try to
follow him to the best of their abilities.
D. God in Heaven knows that Comforter was not the Holy Ghost which came of
Pentecost day. Jesus is also a witness that this is the case. However no one can put a
restriction on what you believe. The reality will be known on the day of judgment.
So till that time, we should keep our respective positions.
E. You do not have a need to pity Muslims…..Quran is very specific on this issue “To
You Your way and to us our way” (108:4)
And :
test you in what he has given you; so strive as in a race in all virtues. The goal of you
all is to Allah: it is He that will show you (on the Last day) the truth of matters in
So instead of pitying each other, let us take the prudent advice which Quran tells us,
exceed in all virtues and try to outdo each other in good deeds.
These endless discussions will not solve our problems or will be productive.
Broaden your heart and let other people live and do what they believe in. Do not pose
as if you are source of all knowledge and every one else is dummy.

Q. 159, who="Thinking Rat"
I wonder if the wise one considers Hammurabi as a prophet too,

perhaps equal to the great Prophet Mohammad (peace be upon
him).
Ans.
As per Quran many prophets and messengers were sent to every nation of the earth.
Hammurabi could be one of them or could not be one of them we are not sure.
The sure sign of a real prophet is matters of his faith which should teach people
worship of one true God and no one else. I am not sure how much of that is known
about Hammurabi to decide one way or other.
Quran asks us not to rate one prophet one above the other. God preferred and
bestowed different favors on different prophet. So we cannot say that even of
Hummarabi was a prophet of God, what was his stature.
It is for Allah to rate His prophets and messengers…..but the general belief is that
Last and Final Prophet of Allah was also rated highest in the eyes of His Creator (May
peace and mercy of Allah be on all His prophets and messengers).
Q.160, who="Vlad Tepes"
Actually you should thank me. I'm merely making a point. Other
religious traditions allow for the criticism of prophets and holy men.
If you cannot bring yourself to criticize even this one horrific
example of bad behavior by Muhammad, then you my friend are
blind.
Ans.
Criticism of our prophet is never objected to and we never oppose it. Provided it is
done in a civil manner and with out hearting feelings of his followers.
It is not the question of age.....the question is, Is it crime to marry a girl who has
reached the age of woman hood?
If you see the sexual life of our prophet.....you will find that it was not lust that he was
after.
Most of his life, he was content with a woman who was 15 years his seniors.
Then all other of his wives were widows, many with issues from their earlier
husbands.
Then we find only Aiyesha, the daughter of His closest friend, the only virgin
amongst all his wives.

The question of Age is not as DOGMATIC as people seem to think. We have to see
the evidence.
The marriage was not done by force or conceit.....the parents of the bride had agreed
to it. Their was three years time gap between marriage contract and its
consummation....what for?
So that the bride could reach the age of puberty....
Then no one in the society raised the slightest objection.
What rights we have got after 1400 years to raise this question and then use words
which are gutter worlds.
And this you call a reasonable and civil approach?
We Muslims respect all prophets of God equally and we never ever speak any bad
words about any prophet of God.
Even when we criticise Paul and others, we hold our tongue about his personal
character, we only target his teachings and missions.
But I find that people criticizing our prophet never hold their tongue and they use
most uncivil and abusive language. They think that by using these abusive words,
they will lower the dignity or honor of our prophet?
No that is never going to happen. The number of his followers will keep on
increasing irrespective of what you say or do.
There is no shortage of right minded people in the world and on this thread who are
seeing the languages and arguments used by both the parties.
I personally do not want to deal with any one who is uncouth and uses abusive
language.
This is my last post, because you raised a question of law here.

Q.161, who="JJ Tha Damageja"
Didn't Allah say what prophet Muhammad gives you take it as if i

have given it to you? Didn't Prophet Muhammad say in his last
sermon that he left something like the Holy Quran so all things
would be clear?
That which he left behind was the SUNNAH not a book of HADITHS
therefore as i stated before HADITHS are not a source to be used to
make judgement.
If it was intended to be used to make just calls the the Prophet

would NOT have forbidden his companion from writing anything that
he spoke of.
some Muslims prefer to up hold what others have misguided them

on even when it's written in black and white to show that they are
wrong.
Ans.
You have made a very important and a valid point here.
Allah did say “….So take what the Messenger gives you and refrain from what he
prohibits you….” (59:7)
…..that bestows legislative authority to the prophet.
During his last sermon, the prophet said “ I leave you two things amongst you, Book
of Allah and my SUNNAH, if you hold them fast, you will never go astray”
Prophet did not say Hadith….because they were not written down then. Prophet did
not want that his companions should write anything from his except Quran, because
he wanted that Book of Allah should remain pure and unadulterated.
So what is SUNNAH and what is Hadith, are they different or that same thing?
The answer is some where in between.
SUNNAH is a way of action and Hadith are mainly words of mouth. So what prophet
did was seen by his companions and they did as they saw their prophet doing…..and
from companions of prophet, other Muslims also saw what they did and they
followed. So in this way physical actions of prophet got preserved and transmitted.
On the other hand, what prophet said, or preached and what were his decrees when
questions were posed to him, are recorded in the book of Hadith. They are also part
of the same SUNNAH, but on a separate level.

So there is no contradiction between Quran, Sunnah and Hadith…..Quran is the Basic

and fundamental law and decrees….Hadith and Sunnah are their practical aspects. If
we divorce one form the other, there are strong chances that we may go astray.
Q.162, Why Muslims do not criticize their Prophet?
Ans.
This is a very sensitive issue and very difficult to comment on. Every Muslim
respects the personality of our Prophet more than any thing in this world. His stature
before Allah and position which he has in the eyes of Allah, makes one shudder if we
speak any thing which is even slightly disrespectful to his person or his stature.
Having said so, let me tell you that propohet in his last days prayed to Allah “that his
grave should not be made an object of worship” and he said “cursed be Jews and
Christians for taking the graves of their prophets as objects of worship”
That is why, the prophet was buried in his own chamber, rather than in open cemtery
and that is the reason, the Masjid Nabwi has been extended in all directions, except
where his grave is, so that it does not fall in the middle of the mosque.
As per my knowledge, his grave is still simple and no one has tried to do any thing to
it. They only have constructed around it and not touching the grave of prophet itself
(Allah Knows best).
The prophet’s grave was saved from people’s eys, by erecting a five sided wall (so as
not to resemble kaaba) during the age of Sahabah or Tabeein itself.
What we see these days are the outer covers of the chamber that is erected around that
five sided wall.
I know some people are allowed to go inside and clean , and few dignatories are also
allowed inside, but to what level they go, I have no Idea (the case of Kaaba is
different, which is a simple construction and people go inside when it is washed).
Pictures of interior or Kaaba are relased by Saudi Govt. recently.
No such picture has been released of inside…..so it is anybody’s guess.
But the proof which has been shown that there is very great similarity between the
grave of Maulana Roomi and the supposed picture of prophet’s grave is very
appealing.
I would hold my comment, because it is not an article of faith. We must respect our
prophet and should not say anything but truth where he is concerned.
Infact we should try to show our love to him, by Following Him and make successful
his mission than worrying about these things.
We should not go to extreme in these things.

That is my comment. Allah Knows Best.
Please tell me what you think Muhammad was before he

commenced Islam ?[/QUOTE]
Ans.
Thank you for asking a very good and pertinent question.
Prophets before they are appointed and charged with the mission of Prophethood are
like any other individuals.
But there is a difference, a prophet is chosen by God at the time of birth itself, It is not
a post or stature which a man can reach by his own efforts and by his pious nature or
by learning or by making any other effort.
This is a “Selection” by God in His perfect knowledge as which human is fit to hold
this high office.
Since Prophets are chosen by birth by God and would have to serve as a future role
models for their people, God protects them from all sins and wrong doings and from
any defect in personality that can be counted as “moral turpitude”.
Having said so, when our prophet was born, the city of Makkah was steeped in idol
worship and every other type of wrong doings.
But people of Makkah were descendants of prophets Abraham and Ishmael, so they
had some traces of original teaching left with them. What they followed was a
mixture of Prophetic teachings mixed with their pagan beliefs.
Prophet by nature was abhorrent to worships of idols or for sacrificing in their names
and from any type of false worship. He was watching his people and he thought that
what they do is not right…..but he did not know what was the right path. His
condition can be described as “one who is bewildered…..he sees wrongs in front of
him, but does not know , how to correct it”
Quran describes this condition of prophet in following verses “And He found you
wandering , and He gave you guidance” (93:7)
And
“And thus heave We, by our command, sent inspiration to you, You knew not
(before) what was revelation, and what was faith..) 42:52
But on moral ground, the prophet before his mission was a most truthful and
trustworthy person. He was named SADIQ and AMEEN by his people. He helped
poor, orphans, widow and those in need. He was having a blameless character before
his people.

Q.164, Who=Think
You talk as a carnal man. Muhammad was carnal, he had no

spiritual sense of right or wrong. Muhammad instilled his carnal
knowledge in to his followers. There is no knowledge in you to
repent your sins and strive to avoid them. It is hard to explain, but
even pagans
do good deeds, yet you condemn pagans, are you any different
then a pagan that does good deeds? Does a pagan repent his evil
deeds? You follow Muhammad teachings and I follow the moral
techings of Jesus.
Ans.
I do not know what you mean by Carnal. Every prophet of God was human and had
human needs.
They used to eat, sleep, had call of nature, had wives and children. I do not know
why should they not teach for humans how to behave in these fields.
You would call Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, David, Solomon and every
prophet of God mentioned in your books as Carnal?
We do not condemn any one, It is the God, Lord of Universe, who says that if any one
willfully rejects My message and My revelation, I will take revenge from him. The
matter is between individual and his Creator. We have no authority to condemn or
pardon any one.
If you know your scripture, you should know that both faith and good deeds are
required for salvation. One without the other is meaningless.
The path of repentance is open for every one, pagan or non pagan.
You claim that you follow moral teachings of jesus, if you were follower of Jesus,
you would have followed “Comforter” whom Jesus prophesized.

Q.165, who="The real Elias"]
Hi MUQ
The prophet Muhammad was a man of his times however there

certainly some aspects of his conduct that normal people simply
would not accept as the conduct of a holy man.
While many of his critics focus on his consummation of marriage to

9 yr old Ayesha there is a much worse incident that took place.
One of the most shocking events in the life of Muhammad, one
which has been a major source of embarrassment for Muslims, is
his marriage to his adopted son's former wife, Zaynab bint Jash.
Zaynab had married Zayd, the freed slave of Muhammad's first
wife, Khadijah, whom Muhammad adopted as his son. According to
some versions of the story, …
The above quote clearly say that Muhammad even tried to conceal
his desires since he knew the shame and embarrassment this would
cause in the eyes of the people, implying that Muhammad held to a
higher moral standard than Allah himself! This is of course self
evidently blasphemous.
Ans.
There is nothing wrong, shameful , immoral or embarrassing regarding our prophet’s

marriage to Lady Aiyesha or Lady ZAINAB daughter of JASH.
The “filth” is in your own mind, and in your thinking, which you want to pass on to
others. I will post only short replies for these cases, as they have already been
discussed in much detail on this and other threads of TOPIX.
A. Marriage with Lady Aiyesha:
1. The marriage took place with the full consent of her parents.
2. No one in the society raised any objection to it.
3. There was a three year delay in marriage and its consummation, and that was for
Lady Aiyesha to reach the age of marriage.
4. Lady Aiyesha never objected to the marriage at any time and she did consider it a
great honor for being married to prophet.
5. The marriage really benefited Lady Aiyesha more than the prophet, by that
marriage her name was preserved till eternity, other wise who would have
remembered the name of younger daughter of Abu Bakr?

6. Lady Aiyesha learned from prophet Quran, its meaning as well finer points of
Islamic Jurisprudence and was after death of prophet, the Best Authority on these
topics and many Senior Companions of prophet used to consult her on these issues.
7. She lived for 46 or 47 years after death of prophet, and transmitted all these
knowledge to the next and next to next generation, and she is highly regarded as “One
of the best and Foremost Source of Islamic Jurisprudence”
B. Marriage With ZAINAB BINT JAHSH:
1. She was direct cousin of prophet and prophet was instrumental in getting her
married to his freed salve and adopted son , Zaid.
2. Zainab and her family were initially reluctant for this marriage due to this large
difference in the social positions of the two. But once prophet agreed, they had to
relent and accept this marriage.
3. Relations between Zaid and Zianab were always strained and Zaid had many times
told prophet that he would divorce Zainab, but prophet always asked him to wait and
hope things would improve with time.
4. But relations did not improve between the two and ultimately Zaid did divorce
Zainab. She was a free agent once more.
5. In Arabia there was a pagan custom (as it is in many “Civilized” countries, even
now) that adopted sons were treated like their Begotten sons and all rights and duties
were transferred to them also.
6. This was a pagan practice, which Allah wanted to repeal once and for ever. So
when Zaid divorced Zainab, Allah told prophet to marry Zainab.
7. Prophet was vary of what people in Arabia will say of this marriage as to why
“prophet married the ex-wife of his adopted son” and that was the reason of this
hesitation as depicted in Quran.
8. But ultimately prophet had to relent and marry Zainab, to finish once for all this
“Custom of Adopting some one as Son” in Islamic society!!
This is the background, moral and understanding of prophet’s marriage with Zainab.
There is nothing embarrassing, shameful or immoral in the whole story.
But people whose own minds are filthy and dirty, would derive most dirty and filthy
intentions from their own minds for any case and for every case.
There is no cure for such disease and sickness!!

Q.166, who="pjam2825"
At last we get somewhere and you except that the Christian and
Jewish books and teachings had an important roll in the
development of Quran.
Looking at the corruptions that occurred in these teachings and the

corrections made by Muhammad we can get general idea of what
corruptive pressures have been at play against the Quran and
hadiths. First lets look at Jesus and his corrections to Jewish
teachings.
What did Muhammad say about Jesus?
Ans.
I fail to realize what are you deriving at by giving me all these details?
Jewish and Christian writings had nothing to do with the “development” of Quran…
simply because our prophet did not know how o read and how to write….and he had
no earthly teacher to teach him about Jewish and Christian writings.
What he received in Quran was a direct revelation from God Almighty….whose

source of knowledge is perfect and free from any errors.
Quran, Torah and Injeel , basically they came from the same source, i.e. revelation
from God Almighty.
In earlier books there were some rules and laws which were of transitory nature (on
the basis or prevailing conditions of the time) and there were some mistakes,
corruptions and interpolations added by their followers over the course of centuries.
Quran modified those transitory rules and laws and perfected them to serve till last
day and corrected mistakes and interpolations done by the followers where it mattered
most (like saying that Jesus was a begotten son of God or saying that God is a Triune
God etc).
So now Quran is the Last and Final Testament and Final Code of Law to be practiced
by every believer in God (Muslims, Jews and Christians alike).
This is all I can comment on your long post, which has no relation to the subject of
this thread.
What did Mohammad said about Jesus? He was made to say what God asked him to
say!! Like:
a. Jesus was one of the mightiest messengers of God.
b. That he was born miraculously (i.e. without any male intervention).

c. That God taught him the teachings of Torah and Injeel.
d. That God performed many miracles thru the hands of Jesus (like healing those born
blind and dumb, curing lepers and giving life to those who were dead etc.).
e. That Mission of Jesus was to reform the religion of Jews and give glad tidings of
the Last and Final messenger that would come after him.
f. That God saved him from his enemies and inglorious death on cross and took him
up into heavens with human body.
g. That Jesus would return to earth near the end of time.
h. That both Jesus and his mother Mary are obedient servants of God and they are
places of Highest honor in the presence of their Lord.
This is what I can say offhand …..more details are available in the verses of Quran.
Q.167, Who=Think
But what your Prophet Muhammad failed to teach muslims is that if

you don't love neighbor you brake all of GOD'S commandments. So
your Prophet failed Muslims.
Ans.
I told you many times that every time you open your mouth about Islam, you look
dumber and dumber!!
Now you have babbled about that our prophet did not teach us to love our neighbours,
this is the dumbest of all your posts!!
Listen to following verse from Quran and prophet’s sayings (I am just quoting from
my memory, there are many other’s which can be found in books of Prophet’s
sayings)
1. Worship none but Allah and be kind to your parents, kinsfolk, Orphans, those in
need, neighbors who are kin, neighbors who are strangers, The companion on your
side (during travels), the way farer (you meet)…. Quran 4:36 (In one verse it has
covered how many persons?)
2. Prophet said “By God he is not a Muslim (three times)….the companions asked,
“Who is not a Muslim”….the prophet answered “One whose neighbor is not safe from
his mischief”.
3. Prophet said “Who believes in Allah and the final day, let him be kind to his
neighbor”.

4. Prophet said “He is not a Muslim, who eats full stomach, while his neighbor sleeps
with hungry stomach”.
5. Prophet said “Gabriel kept me reminding about rights of neighbor, until I thought
that he will be given a share in inheritance”
6. Prophet said “You are not a Muslim, unless you like for your brother what you like
for yourself”.
There are many, many such prophetic sayings.
Now what you have to say about NEIGHBORS RIGHT in Islam Mr. Dumb?
Q.168, who="legsofahighlander"
Apoligetics MUQ
I see your peoples paganism past offends you MUQ, other wise you
would not defend it with fairy tales. You are just as bigoted as the
Catholic church is. The only difference is you believe your blood line
comes from the other brother Ishmael. HHMmm Fairy tales.
I know what you fear, hate and loath. The "Serpent Seed" is
spreading MUQ. No matter how much your religious Police enforce
"Sharia", they learn to go under ground and spread the seed further
a mist in the middle east. It's happening as we type and read. It will
destroy it from with in just as the Catholic churches power was
slowly but surely stripped away.
It will be fun to watch it over the next 50 years. :-)[/QUOTE]
Ans.
A. Pagan Past:
There is nothing to be apologetic of any pagan past. What happened before prophet
received revelation and what happened afterwards are two different things.
We have to state the facts accurately and correctly and without any bias and that is
what Muslim Historians and scholars have done and it was not done yesterday (so to
say to please western people), these things were written at the earliest time when
Islamic history was written after demise of our prophet.
B. Comparison With Christianity:

Islam cannot be compared with Christianity. From the day one, Islamic foundation
was based on reason, logic, and openness. All its beliefs and Dogmas are reasonable,
logical and traced directly to Quran and Prophet’s sayings.
All basic Christian Dogmas, Divinity of Christ, Trinity, Original Sin, Atonement are
based on pagan logic and proofs from other sources than words of Jesus.
Then Christian scholars insisted on Literal Interpretation of Bible as Word of God,

which it was not and the only way to convince people was to use force and
punishment.
That is why Rule of Church is synonymous with Killings, banishment and all sort of
forces. People had to revolt to end that rule.
In Islam there is no hierarchical priesthood and no “official Interpreter”. In Quran

people have to prove their case with Quran and sayings of prophet.
Yes, their have been deviant Muslims sect, but they were never able to convince
majority of Muslims at any time.
Then there never was conflict between Islam and Science and there never will be.
Islam stands for truth and openness and logic and reason.
That is why, Islam is the only religion which can see Modern science eye to eye.
C. Islam vs. Modern Capitalism and Secularism:
There were many “isms” in Islam’s 1400 year history, at one time, it was evident that
they would engulf Islam. But those isms are only to be found in History Books and
Islam is still there.
Not long ago, it was said that Communism and Socialism are “isms” of future and
days of Capitalism and Imperialism are over. But we have seen what happened to
those isms.
Right now, the falsehood has presented itself in the form of Unrestricted Capitalism
and Unrestricted Secularism….these ideas are not totally wrong, but they need to be
restricted.
It is your wishful thinking that in 50 years or so, Islam will be overwhelmed by these
systems, in fact majority of people want to stick to Islam and follow its teachings in
most of Muslim countries.
It is western media and western pressure of their rulers and leaders which is showing
a different picture.
Only God knows what will happen in future, but we believe that if things are
discussed openly and freely and without bias, it is Islamic teachings which will
prevail over Naked Capitalism and Naked SOCIALISM.

Q.169, who="Tiger7"
Recorded history tells us that Mohammad was born into a pagan

Arab family. The people of ancient Arabia prior to Islam were
polytheists who worshipped many gods - .. do you?
Ans.
If you want to “create” you own history or want the history to follow your “wishes
and imaginations” then there is no stopping to your hallucinations.
Muslims scholars have preserved Islamic history in much more details and with much
more accuracy than any other people on this earth have done it!!
The range of topics which Muslims have covered on their prophet is un paralleled in
any religious history…..they did not paint any picture of prophet and they did not
make any idol of him, but they put in writing more details than any idol or painter
could do!! They even mentioned how many hairs in his beard had turned into white,
when he had become old!!
And you people have cheek to come before us and try to “educate” what our prophet
was and what he was not!!
Arab people in general were descendants of Prophet Abraham thru Prophet Ishmael.
Those who were not related by direct blood had more or less accepted religion and
rites of Ishmaelite and many were related to them thru marriage ties. Arabs in general
considered themselves to be of Abraham’s progeny.
Jews and Christians were present here and there but only in limited pockets. Jews
generally had very less to do with these “inferior Ishmaelite” stock and never made
any serious efforts to propagate their faith.
Christians were free of racial bias, but some how or other, they were not able to
“evangelize” Arabs in large numbers. They only had limited success and except
pockets like NAJRAN there was not a significant Christian population in Arabia.
Whatever Arab Christians were there, were mostly in areas that border Syria , Jordan
and Egypt. In Arabia proper Christian presence was mostly limited to a few slaves
that were captured during wars or sold in markets.
Makkah, the city, where Prophet was born was the religious focal point of whole
Arabia. It housed Kaaba, the House of Allah, which was constructed by Prophet
Abraham and Ishmael and where Arabs from all over the land came for annual
pilgrimage.
QURAISH the tribe in which our prophet was born, were the custodian of Kaaba and
due to this they had a sort of “Position of Superiority” over all other tribes of Arabs
and commanded a universal respect.

Arabs had fallen into idol worship over the many centuries since the demise of
Ishmael….but it was not their original religion. Arabs had the time when idols were
first brought into Kaaba and the name of man who started it.
They had real and imaginary names for these idols, some were named after religious
and pious personalities and many were imaginary. Names of some know are LAT,
MANAT, UZZA, HUBAL etc…but I don’t know that names that are mentioned in
Bible were present there.
Arabs were idol worshippers in general, but it was not “obligatory” for anyone to
worship these idols. There were many people in Makkah who did not worship any of
these idols. They were named as HANEEFS
When prophet was born, he was by nature abhorrent to worship of these idols and
there is no record anywhere that he worshipped any of those idols any time during his
life.
In Makkah his reputation was that of a Truthful and Trust worthy person, he was kind
to every one and ever ready to help any one in need. He never participated in their
drunken orgies, or any boastful parties or unfair wars and any blood shed.
At best he could be called as belonging to those HANEEFS, but theirs was no formal
association and no fixed set of beliefs.
He was in the state of “bewilderment” in those days….he knew, idol worship is

wrong….he knew , what these people were doing is wrong….but he did not know
what is the right path or what is the right solution to these problems.
That was his condition during first 40 years of his life….his thinking as to what is the
right path….drove him to get away from people and meditate alone in a mountain
cave, to think what could be the solution to their problems….
He was in the same state of seclusion when Angel Gabriel visited him in the cave with
Revelation from Allah starting with “IQRA” (which means Read or Proclaim”…)
And the rest is history!!

Q170, Who= A SOG

..
Look again at what you have written. You have said that when I do
I will face God. What a blessing for I will be in Heaven then, and I
will have seen God!
Who told you the day of judgment will be in Heaven?
Ans.
You started with a mild tone….now you are getting more and more belligerent with
each post.
A. Muslims and Jesus:
We Muslims only believe in truth about Jesus Christ. Jews are in one extreme, who
call him imposter , a false prophet and other names. Then there are Pauline
Christians who raise him to the level of Divinity….these are two extreme views.
It is Muslims who hold the balance views about jesus. He was a just and righteous
prophet of God. He was made without any human father as a Sign from God to all
humanity. He was one of the mightiest messengers of God and he showed many
miracles and works to prove that he was a genuine prophet of God and not an
imposter. He did not die the cursed death on cross but was lifted bodily into the
heavens by God and he shall return to earth before the end of time!!
This is the honorable place which Jesus finds in Islam. He is respected and he is
revered and his name is taken in the same way, we take other prophets. The name
ISSA is a very common name amongst Muslims as names of other Jewish prophets.
Like Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Moses, David, Solomon etc. I have yet to see
any Jew or Christian named as Mohammad!!
B. Did Devil visited Mohammad in the cave?
If devil visited Mohammad in the cave, then it is not for Devil to ask his followers to
worship one True God of this Universe and make no partners with Him. A mere
glance of Islamic and Quranic teachings would show any one that Islam and Quran
can never come from Devil or Satan.
Quran presents our Creator in much better light and attributes than all 66 or 73 books
of OT and NT combined!!
C. Meeting our Creator in the hereafter:
Yes this will be a wonderful experience…..but be sure that you are not on the wrong
side of Justice!!
A criminal also “sees” the Judge and a “upright and righteous” citizen also “sees” the
judge!!

But there is a “world of difference” in the two seeing!! The Criminal sees the Angry
face and the Righteous person sees the Smiling face.
All our efforts and our striving are that we should see the happy and benevolent face
of our Creator and not His angry face!!
If you truly follow Jesus to the best of your ability, you also will be seeing Smiling
face of your Creator!!
And in the end:
“To You Your way and to us our way” (108:4)
And :
test you in what he has given you; so strive as in a race in all virtues. The return of
you all is to Allah: it is He that will show you (on the Last day) the truth of matters in
Q171, What Muslims have to say about WARAQA teaching prophet?
Salaams. You are welcome. You can find it here:
http://www.duas.org/mashlool.htm
Ans.
WARAQA and Our Prophet:
I am not surprised at the imaginations of our BTOE stalwarts. When they can assume
that One Single cell creature evolved into a human in about 4 Billion years thru
Random Mutation and Natural Selection, for them to assume that our prophet learned
from WARAQA about Biblical stories is not so unreasonable.
But let us first stick ourselves to the facts:
1. WARAQA was not the only Christian present in Makkah at that time, There is
mention of some more Christians and even some Jews living in Makkah. So our
prophet need not have to go only to WARAQA for those Biblical stories.
2. There is no mention that the Prophet ever engaged any body in religious dialogs or
attended any religious discourses or was regular visitor to any religious personality
during his life before Prophethood.
3. But let us assume that he was in chummy terms with some of Jews and Christians
and WARAQA also and was listening to their talks. Also remember that our prophet
did not know how to read or write, so he would be storing all this information in his
brain and planning all the time, how to use them or modify them for his own logic.

4. It is known that WARAQA died shortly after the first revelation came to the
Prophet, so all the knowledge was passed on to him before that and prophet was using
that during next 23 years of his mission.
5.Let us assume, WARAQA with a new convert zeal would tell to Prophet:
a. Jesus was born without human father (yes I will accept that, prophet would say).
b. Jesus was Son of God, WARAQA would say (No, I cannot believe that , prophet
would say in his heart).
c. God is one in Trinity , WARAQA would say (How , can I believe that? Prophet
would say).
d. Jesus showed many miracles, even bringing people out from dead (No harm in that,
prophet would say).
e. Jesus died on Cross (How can I believe that, prophet would think) and was
resurrected on the third day (that is idiotic , prophet would reason).
f. Jesus died for the sin of mankind, WARAQA would say (This is most idiotic,
prophet would think, how can one take the sin of another person?)
6. Then coming to Biblical story, WARAQA would say that:
1. God created heavens and earth in six days and one day one…..(Six days in enough
for me, how can I remember in which day what was created, prophet would assume).
2. God Created Adam from dust and created his wife from him …(That is very
reasonable , prophet would think).
3. Eve was deceived by Satan and she ate from the tree, and then gave it to Adam and
he also ate….(No, No, this is not OK, I will not say who ate it first, I will say BOTH
ate, prophet would think in his mind.)
4. It is not known whether Adam or eve repented (No, No, I will say that they indeed
repented and God forgave their sins).
7. In the same way, it would go for each Biblical story, Prophet would confirm part of
it, but wherever there is any scandalous story about any prophet in Bible, be it Noah,
Abraham, Isaac, Lot, Jacob, Joseph, Moses, Aaron, David, Solomon, prophet would
simply ignore the Biblical story and say that prophets are blameless.
It would indeed have been a unique relationship in the annals of world’s education
system between pupil and teacher.
But as I said earlier, those who believe that this life evolved thru Random Mutation
and Natural Selection….believing in this story is child’s play.

I think even Pagan Makkah people would be laughing at the stupidity of our BTOE
Super brains!!
Q172, who="Buford"
You have no choice but to justify Mohammad's bloody ways by

comparing him to Joshua or David in their conquests of the land of
Canaan, but my interest is in comparing Mohammad who taught
hatred of non-Muslims and had his enemies murdered, with Jesus
who taught love and forgave his murderers from the cross.
Of course you don't believe that Jesus was crucified, but as strange
as that may seem, it's not the point. The point is that Jesus taught
a way of nonviolence, of turning the other cheek, of doing unto
others as you would have them do unto you, while Mohammad's
way was lethal violence until the "enemies" of "Allah and His
Messenger" would be bloodied into submission if not killed,
"enemies" being defined as anyone who would not willingly submit
to Mohammad's claim to their absolute surrender and obedience.
Ans.
You cannot compare apples against oranges. When you compare Warrior prophet
like our prophet, you must compare him against Warrior Jewish prophets like Moses,
Joshua and David etc.
To compare our prophet against a Non Warrior prophet like Jesus would be
comparing apples against oranges.
The fact that there have been both Warrior Prophets and Non Warrior Prophets
amongst Jews themselves, shows that fighting in the cause of God is not against
prophet hood. If there be need, a prophet can lead an army and he can kill his
enemies and enemies of God.
As regards Jesus crucifixion, yes we believe that he was not crucified, but God took
him bodily to heaven and from there he shall come back to earth for a second time.
This belief in fact raises the stature of Jesus and not lowers it in any sense.
Jesus had a very short ministry of three years and even in those three years; he could
not get a large numbers of dedicated followers, that was the prime reason, he did not
took up arm. His conduct is comparable to our prophet’s (while he was in Makkah)
or Moses (when he was in Egypt).
But when our prophet migrated to Madina and gained a permanent base (and Moses
got freedom from Pharaoh’s clutches) they both took up arms and fought in the cause
of God and as Instructed by God.

The followers of Our prophet and Followers of Moses continued in the path shown by
their prophets. They took up arms when there was no other course available.
But followers of jesus follow a hypocritical path….when it comes to preaching they

say the we only peace preach…but on ground level, they amass biggest armies and
biggest caches of Arms and ammunitions and they threaten all nations of the world
with them.
Christians calling themselves followers of “Jesus the prophet of peace” have shed
mode human blood than followers of all other prophets combined together.
And the irony is that they still are “most peaceful people on the world”!!
I think it is a misinformation campaign, you accuse your enemies with what faults you
have, so no one can point finger at you!!
Q173, Why Muslims react so violently when any picture of their prophet is
published?
Ans.
In Islam it is banned to make image or statue of any one. That is why no one made
any statue or picture of Prophet while he was alive.
So when no actual photo of prophet exists, what they are drawing are imaginary
figures, which have no reality.
Islam wants to block all routes from where idol worship or worship of any one beside
Allah can slide into.
Pictures and statues of prophet are one of the most potent things that can turn people
into worshipping him. See how Christians have started worshipping statues of Jesus,
Mary and saints (all imaginary things, there is not a single authentic picture or statue
of jesus or Mary in existence).
When drawing or making real image of prophet is not allowed how wrong it is to
make cartoons of him and lampoon his personality.
If people do it to their own religious personalities, it hurts us, but we do not want to
interfere into their internal matters. In the same way, they should not try to test our
sensibilities as regards to our prophet.
You may not believe in him or his message.....but you have no right to abuse him or
make fun of him, while Muslims are alive and kicking in this world.

Q174, Who= A SOG
MUQ.
It is well known that Muhammad set out to first subjugate the lands
of his birth to himself. not by peaceful means. It is also known how
the Islamic empire was spread. Not by peaceful means.
Isn't it true that the Quran is said to be a collection of writing from
stones etc, written down as things came to Muhammad?
What you have is more likely the thoughts of a man that was had
been primed to be a prophet not by god but by a woman.
All was done in the dark. Muhammad was entirely alone in a cave.
No witnesses. None. Not one. No, not one.
Paul had witnesses for all was in the light - there was those that
were with him. exactly how many we do not know.
Paul did not choose the path of Muhammad but chose the path of
Christ - not with a sword of steel but with the sword of truth. Paul is
indeed the better man! A man of true courage who conquered in the
face of great adversity - for God was truly with him.
Paul was accepted by the other apostles who also held to the truth.
The truth which is that Jesus is The Holy One of God and the
fulfillment of the prophets. Jesus Christ is the Light of the World.
..
Islam denies the promises of Christ. Tell me this, what is it that
motivates God?
Ans.
Your post is based on mistakes upon mistakes….
A. Visit of Angel in the cave:
You think that Angel visited our prophet is a dark cave and handed him the whole
Quran and vanished away in thin air , never to be seen again!!
And his wife said that “it was an angel” and prophet believed her and started his
mission!!
Is that the whole story concocted by you?
That was the first visit of angel to the prophet. It did not happen in the dead of night,
it happened when there was day light and everything was visible.
Prophet like an honest innocent man was alarmed by such a strange happening and
felt anxiety….same as Mary felt when Gabriel visited her to give the good news about
Jesus!! Why was mary alarmed when she saw an angel of God? There are many cases
recorded in Bible, where people felt alarmed when they saw an angel of God suddenly
for the first time.

Then Prophet did not receive the whole Quran in one instant. It took almost 23 years
for Quran to be revealed fully. Prophet saw Gabriel hundreds if not thousands of
times in those 23 years.
B. Paul’s Vision:
What Paul witnessed, was his own concocted theory…..there were no eyewitnesses
and no one of those eye witness have left any record. It is the testimony of Paul
himself as a single man, which ahs been recorded by Luke, his disciple. I have no
trouble if you accept it fully. But then you have to believe that Paul was a prophet of
God as we say about our prophet.
You believe in the unsupported teachings of Paul and still think that you are following
jesus.
Our prophet preached the message which was given to him. No word was added or
removed from the Quran, he transmitted it the way he received it.
Yes he changed and modified many provisions of Moses’ law…..Jesus also did before
him. Our prophet received a complete code of life and he implemented it.
C. Paul and Jesus’ second coming:
You have a choice to believe in whatever Paul tells you…..but keep yourself prepared
when Jesus asks you (in hereafter, or in his second coming , if you be alive then), who
told you that I was a Begotten Son of God and he asks you the source and you say
‘Your Apostle Paul” and Jesus asks you “Who is this Paul, I never even knew him,
what right he had to change my teachings”?
By God, Jesus would be 100 % right in this answer!! He never met Paul during his
lifetime, he never taught those strange things that Paul taught!
Q175, who="Buford"
David wasn't speaking of Mohammad.

Your so-called "prophet" was raised by jinn-devil worshippers and
was himself a conjurer and caster of spells. The record is clear:
http://religionresearchinstitute.org/Mohammad/occultism.htm
Ans.
Whom was David speaking?
What is the stone whom builders rejected? It refers to Hagar and Children whom
Jews considered below their ranks and were looking down upon them.
The same rejected stone became the “Corner Stone” and Stand bearer of Monotheistic
faith in the world and it looked strange in the eyes of David!!

Regarding your “eulogies” to our prophet….his personality is far above to be

tarnished by foul mouthed persons like you.
His admirers and well wishers form a distinguished line and include philosophers,
thinkers, statesmen, and learned people from every nation.
Q176, Who=Johnson
A couple of other points on this issue;
3) People who are not from Arabic speaking countries usually recite
the Koran... but with little or no understanding of what they recite.
It is up to their Imam or their reading through annotations or
through translations to understand what they read. In this sense as
well, their recitations are 'different', and an Arabic speaker would
often have difficulty understanding their best efforts at pronouncing
Arabic terms.
4) What makes you think the followers of Jesus did not read and
check the authenticity of what was written? If you've read the NT as
you say, then you should be aware of numerous instances where
they indicate they have read the letters of other NT writers (though
your strange comment on there being only a single NT writer earlier
may explain some of your confusion).
Ans.
You have raised some very valid and interesting points here, let me put my views on
them, Allah knows the true answer:
A. Why Non Arabic People read Quran in Arabic, without knowing its
meanings?
1. The reason could be many, Words of God have a special charm, special blessings
and special quality which no human words can achieve.
2. To have uniformity and Universal brotherhood amongst all Muslims, so every one
can see that every one is reading the same Quran and not different translations.
3. To encourage all Muslims to learn Arabic and understand it, so that it becomes the
common link language of all Muslims.
4. The portions of Quran which are read frequently in prayers, are very few and every
one with small efforts can understand their meanings.
5. In International gatherings like Hajj, every nation would offer prayers in his own
language and there will be a lot of confusion.

6. That is why Islam has chosen to retain recitation of Quran in Arabic only….people
can understand its meaning by referring to translations.
7. No human efforts can take the place of Arabic Quran “the inimitable
symphony….the very recitation of which move strong hearted men to tears …” (M.
Pikthal)
B. Did Disciples of jesus not verify the Gospels?
1. Because none of the Disciples had chance to see any of the Gospel manuscripts
themselves!! The original disciples of Jesus believed that End of World is very near,
so they did not write any thing, they only preached verbally.
2. NT books were written after the death of Disciples of Jesus, so how they could
have checked them.?
3. Then the question comes about editing, if some one modifies or edits some book
after it was written and the writer was dead, how can writer be responsible for the
mistakes.
4. The Basic problem with OT and NT books was that, they were left with Priests and
Church authorities, they were guardians of those books. Common public had no
knowledge about the actual contents of these books. They only listened to sermons
coming from Pulpit. That is why it was easy to corrupt and change those manuscripts,
which people did when they had arguments against each other.
Q177, who="Neville Thompson"
It was from Germany scholars ,it was quite interesting as it showed

the original writings in colour.
The material that was written on was of the period of the start of
Islam.
They said that the Quran was written 70 years after Mohammed
died and they must have had permission from your top clerics to be
able to study the scriptures, so they must be legitimate.
I have a query ,seeing all Islamic terrorists are seen in the Islamic
world as extremists and are deemed to be criminals as described to
us on these threads ,why isn't Islam joining forces with us infidels
to rid Islam of all of it's undesirables so that your people's can carry
on their peaceful existence as originally explained in the Quran .
Ans.
If your scholarship and curiosity ends by seeing “original writings in color” then I
have nothing to say about it!!

Quran was written down “complete and full” within one year of death of prophet by
the First Caliph of Islam. Twenty years later Third Caliph of Islam, Othman made
eight official copies from that Quran and send to different Islamic provinces….and
out of that two still survive to this date!!
Here goes down the drain ‘all the scholarship and research” done by ABC and CBC &
CNN and BBC research teams.
I hope they would NEVER mention this in their documentaries!!
Why not take another test, gather one Quran reciter from China, Africa, India, Europe,
Saudi Arabia….and ask them to recite ANY chapter from Quran from memory
…..just see how they match with each other.
Then repeat the same exercise for Bible….ask them to recite Matthew Ch1 from
memory…..see how they do!!
And this test will also NEVER be shown on their documentaries !!
That is the bias and bigotry of these “unbiased and fair” World media channels when
ANYTHING regarding Islam is concerned.
B. Muslims states fighting terrorists:
It could have happened if Western Nations had not started blaming All Muslims and
Islam for the cause of these actions.
It is THEY who should have come out and seek cooperation from Muslims to fight
out this evil.
What they did otherwise was to launch a full scale propaganda of hate against Islam,
Muslims and Quran and prophet and lay the blame on feet of all Muslims.
Then they started One sided attack on Islamic nations without help and agreement of
Muslims.
They boasted that this “war on terror” will exterminate Terrorism from the face of this
earth forever.
Now we are witnessing the hollowness of their boasts after 10 years.
The Biggest terrorist Nation on this earth is fighting Terrorism with its own
Terrorism….was it difficult to predict the outcome from day 1?
Not to me!!

Q178, Who-Igor Trip
The Quran tells Christians and Jews to consult the scriptures and
Gospels. So according to the Quran they must be uncorrupted, or
else they make no sense.
002.041 YUSUFALI: And believe in what I reveal, confirming the

revelation which is with you...
002.044 YUSUFALI: Do ye enjoin right conduct on the people, and

forget (To practice it) yourselves, and yet ye study the Scripture?
Will ye not understand?
002.089 YUSUFALI: And when there comes to them a Book from

Allah, confirming what is with them,
007.157 YUSUFALI: "Those who follow the messenger, the

unlettered Prophet, whom they find mentioned in their own
(scriptures),- in the law and the Gospel;
An attack on the Bible is an attack on the Quran.
Ans.
Thank you for quoting so many verses from Quran. But you have to see the overall
picture of past scriptures mentioned in Quran.
1. On one hand it says that it confirms the past scriptures and has all praises for
TORAH & INJEEL (the revelations given to Moses and Jesus respectively).
2. Then it says that People of Book (i.e. Jews and Christians) “…distort the message
of God with their tongues….”
3. Then it says that “Woe be to the people who write books with their own hands and
then say it is from God…”
4. Then it says that “Quran confirms the past scriptures and then acts as a check over
them…”
5. Then at some places Quran contradicts Bible explicitly , I will give three examples:
a. Bible says that God made heavens and earth in six days and on seventh day He
rested…..In Quran God says that “We made Heavens and the earth in six days and no
fatigue touched us…”
b. In Bible it is said that Aaron made the Golden Serpent for Jews and worshipped
it…. In Quran it is said that Aaron did not make it.

c. In Bible it is said that Solomon made temples for false gods in his old age….In
Quran it is said that Solomon never did any such thing .
Then how can you say that Quran confirms the existing Bible (73 Books of RC or 66
Books of Protestants) as veritable word of God…..and then contradict it?
The truth is that Quran confirms the revelation which was sent to past prophets and
some of which is still available in the existing Biblical books of Old and New
testament.
Q179, Who=Think
So what is your point? Do you accept lying as truth and lie to

promote and untruth. Just saying the OT and NT is corrupted does
not make it so. My prove to you MUQ, is from scripture of the OT
and NT. And when I show you prove from the Quran you reject that
also. Question?
Is this from the word of GOD- Child killing is an invented teaching

of the idol worshipers to mislead their people. If Allah had willed
that they not do this it would not have been done, leave them
alone.[6:137 Is that what Allah approves? Do you believe in parents
killing their own children as coming from Allah?
Ans.
I have many times clarified Islam’s and Muslim’s stand with respect to Old
Scriptures.
a. As per us, these scriptures have not been preserved in the exact status since they
were written. They have suffered because of centuries of copying, translating and
editing done by known and unknown hands. (this is confirmed by scholars of their
own religion, those who are unbiased and have real knowledge on the subject)
b. None of these scriptures is 100 % Word of God. And on the other hand they might
not be 100 % falsehood or wrong. The do contain Words of God and also Words of
Prophet, Words of Historian, Words of Folklore and even some dirty stories. (this can
be seen even by a cursory glance on these books)
c. We need to separate truth from the falsehood and there is no criterion within these
books to identify and separate these categories. We therefore need an external
standard. ( A very reasonable and common sense approach, how can you use the same
book as its criterion)
d. Quran on the other hand is 100 % word of God and nothing else but Word of God.
And it is preserved and protected in its originality and in its original language. So
Quran can be used as standard to check falsehood from truth.

e. Since Quran does not deal with ALL the subjects mentioned in these books, so to
be fair, to the followers of these scriptures, we restrict ourselves to following:
1. What Quran confirms from their Scripture as True, we take it as truth.
2. Where Quran expressively rejects some parts of these scriptures, we also reject it.
3. Where Quran is silent on any point, we also keep our mouth shut and do not speak
any thing.
f. I fail that any one could have broader attitude than what we Muslims have for old
scriptures.
Quran 6:137 does not approve parents killing their Children. It tells what these
idolaters do by sacrificing their children (as human sacrifice) for their idols.
I feel that you just become DUMB when you speak anything about Quran!!
Q180, Is Quran Word of God?
Ans.
If any one can prove that his scripture is nothing but pure word of God…..then I have
no objection but to accept their right to believe in every word of their scripture.
But unfortunately when you ask them for proof….they start speaking strange and
ambiguous language….you see so many years have passed….we do have some old
manuscripts …. They differ with each other…but these differences are not very
serious and things like that.
So these are empty claims without any proof. In case of Quran….its authenticity and
traceability is fool proof. There is not the slightest of doubt that present Quran is the
same (word for word) what was dictated by prophet Mohammad (PBUH) to his
followers.
The Modern Science has proven that period of taking each and every word of all
religious scriptures is over except Quran.
There is nothing in Modern Science which contradicts Quran and there never will be.
Why? Because no Truths will ever contradict each other!! Quran is truth and nothing
but truth (because it is verbatim revelation from God)….so if we find some
contradiction from Modern Science…we have to check and double check if Modern
Science is speaking the truth or not!!
In all such cases it will be found that Modern Science was not telling the absolute
truth and it has to be corrected.
BTOE going against Quran is the biggest proof that BTOE is wrong and every one on
reflection will see why BTOE is wrong.

I have pointed fatal mistakes of BTOE many times , but no one has given me any
logical or reasonable answer. The answers are vague and incomplete and saying that
“Time will prove that BTOE was right” and some such phrases.
PS:
1. It is not right to say that there were only one of two Anti Religionist people on this
thread and most of present lot are “reasonable, unbiased and non extremist people”.
2. See the response from most of the correspondents on my “bridge building” post.
3. Who will think that these people are serious about bridge building?
4. these are the people who would love to see the gap between BTOE and religion
gets wider by each passing day!!
Q181, who="Dovid HaShoteh Gadol"
A case has been made regarding this particular verse which

interests me.
I found a website (Islamic) which claims that the variations in this
Talmudic dictum (it is mentioned twice):
..
My question to you is, supposing Muslims in two non-Muslim

countries are in the army of those countries, and those two non-
Muslim countries go to war over something--would it be permissible
for the Muslims to fight for those countries, even if it meant there
was a possibility that they injured or killed one of their brothers?
I am sure the answer in an obviously unjust war is itself obvious, so

let us assume that both sides seem to their citizens to have valid
claims that they are acting in self-defense.
Ans.
You have raised certain valid and interesting points in your post.
First of all there are words of scriptures which are simple and straightforward.
Then there are discussions by commentators and scholars, which try to paste these
verses on prevailing situations and each one draws its own conclusions and we have
differences of opinions.
The verse that “if one kills a human , he is supposed to have killed whole humanity”
in its simple sense refers to the cases where some one kills an innocent person.

The question of killing during wars and to suppress rebellion and to kill murderers,
highway robbers and others who want to create mischief in the land is totally outside
the scope of this verse, because these actions are ordained by God Himself.
Now you have raised an important point, where jews and fighting against Jews and
Muslims against Muslims. As per Quran, only fighting which is allowed is “fighting
in the way of God”.
But there could be cases when both parties think that they are fighting “in the way of
God”….. in such cases their case will be before God and He will decide who was
right and who was wrong.
But Quran tells us that “If two groups of Muslims fight, it is duty of all Muslims to
stop them from fighting and try to negotiate. If one party refuses to come to negotiate,
then all Muslims should fight with the aggressor and force him to come to negotiating
table.”
“Then they should make every effort to make peace between the two brother groups”.
This is the Quranic ruling on fighting between Muslim groups.
As regards killing by one Muslim to another, Quran says “No Muslim kills another
Muslim except by mistake or error”
And
“If any Muslim kills any Muslim knowingly, then his punishment is hell fire, where
he shall dwell for ever and Wrath of God, and His Anger, and His Curse and a very
Great punishment….” Can any verse be more frightening!!
Yet we see every day “Muslims” killing “Muslims” by hundreds and thousands…… I
do not know whether they have read the above Quranic verse or how would they
justify their actions before God!
Q182, Who=Think
What comic BOOK are you reading MUQ? The Quran says Allah a
throne, hold the sky from falling, a face, He judges, taking a
vow{92:1-5} He swears by the sun and the moon, by the day and
the night{91:1-2} He experiencing emotions, He Allah is
pleased{98:8} He {Allah} abhors those who reject Islam [40:10]
Allah does not love those who reject Islam[30:45] Allah has a right
and left side, at the final judgment Muslims will stand on his right
hand side and those who deny the teachings of the Quran will stand
on his left hand side[90:17-19] Allah counts, He [Allah] takes a
careful count of all people so that they will appear before him alone
for judgment[19:94-95] Allah tests. Allah will test the believers until
he discover who among them will perseveres[47:31] He makes
appearance on earth, The voice Moses heard from the burning tree

said "Moses, I am Allah..."[28:30]. Allah was in the fire and all

around it[27:8] Allah watches, Allah stands watching over every
soul to know everything that is done[13:33] If three men talk in
secret Allah is the fourth. If there are four he is the fifth, If there
are five, he is the sixth[58:7]
Allah hears, Allah heard the conversation between a divorced

women and Mohammad[58:1] He hears and sees everything[4:134]
Allah has a hand, Pledging loyalty, allegiance and devotion to
Mohammed is like pledging it to Allah. When they put their hands
together Allah's hand is on top of theirs[48:10] His hands are out
stretched[5:64]
Ans.
Trying to mislead us? And that too by quoting from Quran itself!!
How strange? The pot calling a kettle black!!
Supporters of an Idea that God Begot a Son….are complaining that Allah of Quran
has “Human like” attributes!!
In dealing with Allah or God…..first we have to take “negative” things, that are
opposed to human nature.
Like Allah says “Say He is Allah the One, Absolute, eternal, He begets not, neither
was He begotten and there is nothing like unto Him”.
And “there is nothing like Him….” And “No sleep or slumber can take him” and “He
feeds every one and has no need to be fed…”
These things prove that God is not like any thing in the Universe and we can have no
mental picture of Him. These “negative” attributes dissolve and disprove any thing or
idea or picture that one has about Allah.
But only negatives attributes are not enough for people to have closeness to Allah
their Creator….that is why many “positive” attributes are also mentioned, like Allah
sees, He hears and He talks…and so many things.
But none of them can be even remotely connected with how humans do these things.
No one can say that Allah sees the way we see , Allah hears the way we hear, or Allah
has hands like we have.
There are innumerable examples in your Holy Bible…..where even more “human
like” qualities are mentioned. If you know your bible, you will find them.
So stop misleading Muslims that Allah has “human like” qualities in Quran!! It only
reminds me of a quote “Pardon me, your slip is showing”!!

I can think of 1 place where Talmud is quoted--but it is with

attribution "To kill a man is to destroy an entire world."
Ans.
You are very correct!! My dear Sir / Madam and I must congratulate you!!
There are more than one verses which are copied from OT and Gospels into Quran,
but with a difference:
It is acknowledged that this verse is from Bible and the quotation is not verbatim,
there is always some twist and difference in the Biblical and Quranic verses.
I will just comment on this verse which you have quoted "To kill a man is to destroy
an entire world."
The full Quranic verse goes like this: (Quran was speaking about the story of two sons
of Adam Abel and Cain, and at the end of story it says)
“ On that account (or because of this) , We ordained for the Children of Israel, that is
one slew a person- unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land- it
would as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he
saved the life of whole people” (Ch5 Verse 45)
Now see this Quranic verse and compare it with the Biblical verse:
a. First Quran says that We said this to Children of Israel, meaning that verse is it in
Bible, it gives due acknowledgement.
b. Then mere killing is not mentioned, there are exceptions, otherwise killing a
murderer or person spreading mischief in the land will also become illegal.
c. Then the part that is one saved a life,…is also added.
How can one say that Quran has copied from Bible!!
Thank you for your input and I am very happy that you mentioned it.
There are MANY MORE such verses in Quran, which are common with Bible, but
with the differences I mentioned.
If you are interested, we can carry this discussion forward….but not on the lines of
MKOT and his likes, who only want to deal in hate and abuses.

Q184, What Quran has to say about Loan transactions between people?
Ans.
It has been mentioned by me, that Quran challenges whole human kind, that to prove
that it is not revelation from God, but written by the prophet himself, then they should
also bring a book like Quran.
Our BTOE stalwarts try to ridicule this claim (as raising unreasonable objections), but
Quran retains its unique position in eloquence and grandeur as Best Example of
Arabic Literature.
Many would think that Quran only deals with subject of faith and belief (and a few
“Killer Verses” too!) and would have very little to discuss about matter of social
interaction. But that is not the case. Quran does deal with many subjects which are
not “strictly religious in mature”.
Today I will take up one such verse of Quran, that deals with issues of “Loan” . It is
called as verse of DAIN (i.e. future obligation), it is verse 282 of Chapter 2 of Quran.
This is the longest verse of Quran and it contains 127 Arabic Words. The actual
words used for instructions are less than this figure.
Abdullah Yousuf Ali in his translation of this verse has used more than 250 words! I
challenge that anyone can write all these information in less words than used by
Quran!! Not even in Arabic itself.
Then it is not the economies of words only, but so many different issues which have
taken into account…..every one of us is aware of “jargon language used by lawyers”
to make a simple issue look so complicated.
Here is Quran discussing a “purely legal issue” in such simple and easy to understand
words, that no one except of Creator, who is Master of All languages can do it.
I present below the translation of this verse, I have divided it into many sub heads for
ease of understanding:
A. Preamble:
“O Ye who believe! (This is addressed to Muslims)
B. Subject Matter
“When you deal with each other in transactions involving future obligations in a fixed
period of time, reduce them to writing” (Quran, 6 words)
C. Who should write the Transaction:
“Let a scribe write down faithfully as between parties (Quran 4 words)
D. Scribe should not refuse:

“Let not the Scribe refuse to write: as Allah has taught him, so let him write (Quran 8
Words)
E. Who should dictate:
“Let him who incurs the liability dictate (Very fine point of law and social justice).
F. Nothing should be hidden:
“But let him fear his Lord Allah, and nor diminish aught of what he owes (Quran 7
words)
G. What if he cannot dictate:
“If the party liable in mentally deficient, or Weak, on unable to dictate himself, let his
guardian dictate faithfully (Quran 15 words)
H. Take Two witnesses:
“And get two witnesses out of your own men
J. If two men are not present?
“And if there are not two men, then a man two women, such as you choose for
witness (Quran 10 words)
K. Why two women in place of one man?
“So that if one of them errs, the other can remind her (Quran 6 words)
L. People should not refuse to be witness
“The witnesses should not refuse when they are called in (for evidence).
M. Write all matters:
“Disdain not to reduce to writing (your contract) for a future period, whether it be
small or big (Quran 8 words)
N. It is the best course:
“It is more just in the sight of Allah , more suitable as evidence and more convenient
to prevent doubts amongst yourselves (Quran 9 words)
P. When writings can be dispensed with:
“But if it be a transaction which you carry out on the spot amongst yourselves, there is
no blame on you if you reduce it not to writing (Quran 11 words)

Q. Witness in every commercial deal:
“But take witnesses whenever you make a commercial contract
R. No harm to scribe or Witness
“And let neither Scribe nor witness suffer harm, if you do such harm, it would be
wickedness in you, (Quran 10 Words)
S. Closing Instruction:
“So fear Allah, for it is Allah who teaches you, and Allah is well acquainted with all
things” (Quran 8 words).
Thus ends this beautiful verse from Quran. There is no doubt that volumes could be
written (And have been written) in explaining this verse and many legal instructions
and legal procedures have been derived by Muslim religious scholars from this verse.
I doubt if our “Modern evolved system” can improve upon this verse.
And yet the “writer of this verse” was an unlettered man, who did not know how to
read and how to write!!
Can any thing be more miraculous ?
Q185, Quran and Proper Names :
Ans.
Quran is a book of Guidance. It is a direct revelation from Allah the Creator and
Sustainer of Universe for guidance of human beings. Eventhough it is a fairly large
book (consisting or more than 6600 verses and 114 Chapters), it uses minimum words
to express ay ideas.
Its economy of words is not less than miraculous and beyond human reach (best
example of that was explained when we compared the story of Prophet Joseph as
mentioned in Quran and in Bible, some times back).
It is usually book of histories that mention Proper names at every incident (to prove
their authenticity and for general public information). I have done a small study to
see, how many proper names are mentioned in Quran, which I present below for every
one on this thread:

A. Allah (God):
1. As Allah (more than 6600 Times)
2. Attributes of Allah (RABB, RAHMAN, RAHIM, KHALIQ, etc.) : more than 3000
Times.
Note: As an average every Quranic verse use Name Allah or His attributes two
times!!
B. Angels of God:
1. Gabriel: (as Gabriel, and as Holy Spirit etc, ~ 10 Times)

2. Michael ( 3 times)
3. Angel of Death. (1 Time)
4. MALIK, angel over Hell (1 Time)
5. Angels in general (in plural form). (~ 40 Times)
C. Books of God:
1. Torah (15 times)

2. INJEEL (Gospel). (5 times)
3. ZABOOR (Psalms) (2 times)
4. Quran (55 times)
5. Books of Abraham. (in general) (2 times)
6. Books of Moses (in General) (2 times)
7. Books given to prophets (in General) (2 times)
C. Prophets of God:
1. Adam. (10 times)
2. Noah (40 Times)
3. IDREES (Enoch). (2 times)
4. Abraham (62 times)
5. Ishmael. (3 times)
6. Isaac. (6 times)
7. Jacob. (5 times)
8. Joseph. (21 times)
9. Lot. (19 times)

10. Moses.(129 Times)

11. Aaron. (11 Times)
12. David. (13 Times)
13. Solomon. (10 Times)
14. Elisa. ( 2 times)
15. ZUL KIFL. (2 times)
16. Jonah. (4 Times , 2Times as name and 2 times as title)
17. Zechariah. (3 Times)
18. YAHYA (John). (2 times)
19 AYYUB (Job). ( 3 times)
20 Jesus. (25 times)
21. HUD. (9 Times)
22. SALEH. (6 Times)
23. SHOAIB (8 Times)
24. ALYAS’A (1 Times)
25 Mohammad. (5 times by name and many more times in address)
D. Righteous Women:
1. Mary the Mother of Jesus. (34 Times)
2. Wife of Adam (eve by title).
3. Wife of Noah (by Title).
4. Wife of Abraham (Sarah by title).
5. Wife of Lot (By Title).
6. Mother of Moses (By Title) (2 Times)
7. Wife of Pharaoh (By Title). (2 Times)
8. Mother of Mary (by title). (1 Times)
9. Queen of Sheba (by Title) (3 Times)
E. Companions / Contemporaries of Our Prophet:

1. ZAID (By name) as Companion: (1 time.)
2. Abu LAHAB , Uncle of Prophet, his enemy: (1 Time.)
3. Wife of Abu LAHAB, his enemy: (1 Time.)
F. Satan
1. As IBLIS (11 Times)

2. As SHAITAN (or Satan).( 63 Times)

3. As SHAYATEEN (in plural). (15 times)
G. Well known enemies of Prophets of God:

1. Pharaoh (a Title of Egyptian kings). (67 times)
2. HAMAN, ( Minister of Pharaoh) (4 Times)
3. QAROON (Wealthy man in Moses’ time).(3 Times)
4. SAMRI (Who mislead Jews to worship golden calf) (4 times)
PS: Number of times, these Proper names are used are approximate and not very
accurate. So if some one finds some mistakes in them, I stand corrected. (Contd.)
H. Biographical Names which are missing in Quran:
Some people consider that Quran is nothing but life history of Prophet Mohammad.
For their information and knowledge, let me inform that following Biographical
details or names are missing in Quran:
1. Name of his Father and Mother are missing.
2. Name of His illustrious Grand father and all of his uncles are missing.
3. His city of birth or date of Birth are no where mentioned.
4. Name of His first wife or any other wife is not mentioned in Quran.
5. Name of his sons and daughters and their husbands are not mentioned in Quran.
6. Name of his closest Disciples, Abu Bakr, Omar, Othman and Ali are not mentioned
in Quran.
7. Name of His staunchest enemies, Abu Jahl, Otba. Omayya bin Khalaf, Walieed bin
Mughairah etc are not mentioned in Quran.
8. Name of his close Helpers in Medina are missing from Quran.
9. Name of Hypocrite Leaders as well as those of Jewish Leaders are not to be found
in Quran.
10. Details of any or Muslim forces in any of his battles are missing from Quran.
There are many such details which are found in biographical books or historical books
which are no where to be found in Quran.

This confirms that Quran is not the book of history or life history of Prophet
Mohammad. Its purpose is guidance and nothing but guidance. It uses historical
details and names only which is required to get the lesson from that particular incident
in human history.
It is a unique book in the annals of world’s scripture!! That is why those who are
“used to their type of books” find Quran so much different!!
Q186, Who= A SOG
Tell me this MUQ.
What could Islam offer me?
If I am here for 70 years then isn't it a 1000 times more

punishment according to islam? At best, the good news is over a
thousand years have passed since that was written. And what when
I die and go to hell and find Muhammad there? I will know who it
was that sent me there!
The promises in Christ are true. We need not fear Islam. For God
does indeed love us! I will not be fooled so easily.
Ans.
You have a very negative picture of Islam and Quran.
If you want to read “Love” versus in Quran…..you need many, many, many pages for
that. Most of the attributes of Allah in Quran are for mercy and benevolence .
But the enemies of Islam some how hide these things and present Allah as blood
thirsty tyrant, always threatening people with hell and punishment. This is not the
case, Allah is Just and merciful.
His mercy is for those who try to walk in His path…His anger is for those who
willfully reject His message.
And Allah is always ready to accept repentance. The story of Prodigal Son as told by
Jesus also holds true for Islam.
Islam has every thing to offer as your supposed Christianity……Pleasures and mercy
of Allah, a high place in paradise and every bliss….
Then is not eternal punishment in hell is promised in Christianity also for those who
do not accept Christ as their Personal savior.

When you die, you will neither face Jesus, nor Mohammad, nor any other prophet of
God.
You will face God, Your Lord, Your Creator and no one else……all the righteous
prophets of God…Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses…..Jesus and Mohammad (may
peace be them all) sitting in the thrones of Highest honor.
No one will judge any human, except the Creator, Al Mighty Allah…..these prophets
are only guides and medias thru which we received the message of Allah.
They are to be respected, loved and be held in highest honor…..but none of them are
to be worshipped.
We worship only one Allah, One God…True God, The Creator and sustainer of
whole Universe.
Jesus did not make any false promise…..however many people in the name of jesus
make false promises …. And your Paul is one such person!!
Seeing that you are deluded by false promise made by Paul so easily….. I doubt if you
have real reasoning power at all!!
Q187, Who=Gottaliv
MUQ: If you want people to believe the teachings of the Koran and
your cherry-picked version, does that take into account these
verses as well? Have you personally poured boiling water over the
heads of any "infidels", or cut off their heads, hands, feet, or killed
anyone for not 'believing'? Or do you choose to ignore all this
nastiness?
*Sura 9-29 , *Sura 22-9 *Sura 47-4:“5:33
*IX. 5-6: Kill those who join other gods with God wherever you
may find them.
*IV.89: *"Know that paradise is under the shades of swords."

Sahih al-Bukhari Vol 4 p55
Ans.
Since you quoted Quranic verses and sayings of prophet, I am responding to each of
them.

But first a general warning. If some one believes that every war and every type of use
of force is banned in religion, then he or she is wrong. Wars and use of force is also a
part of human life. If force and wars were not to be used against tyrants, oppressors
and mischief makers on the land, then this world will not be a fit place to live.
That is why in Quran Jihad is always post fixed with “in the way of Allah”, i.e. in the
way of truth, justice and equity. No society which totally negates wars or resistance
against injustice or against its enemies can survive for a long time on this earth.
That is why Quran gave permission for Muslims to fight and subdue its enemies and
those who practice tyranny, oppression and mischief on the earth. Similar permission
was given by God to Moses, Joshua, David, Solomon and other prophets of God.
*Surah 9-29:“Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold
that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor
acknowledge the religion of Truth,(even if they are) of the People of the Book,
until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.”
MUQ: This verse tells us as to when the fighting should stop. Either they sue for
peace or agrre to pay tribute. This is a Natural consequence of any war. There is
nothing strange about it.
*Surah 22-9:“As for the unbelievers for them garments of fire shall be cut and
there shall be poured over their heads boiling water whereby whatever is in their
bowels and skins shall be dissolved and they will be punished with hooked iron
rods.”
MUQ: This is what awaits un believers in the hereafter. If you feel it is very harsh,
please avoid being an unbeliever!!
*Surah 47-4:“When you meet the unbelievers, strike off their heads; then when
you have made wide slaughter among them, carefully tie up the remaining
captives”
MUQ: This is the starting phase of war. When armies are ready to fight, and there is
no recourse to peace, so first we should strike terror into the enemies hearts by a
sudden charge. This is standard military tactic.

*Koran 5:33 :The Punishment for those who oppose Allah and his messenger is :
Execution or Crucifixion or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides
or exile from the land
MUQ: This is punishment for those who try to create mischief on this earth or fight
the established government. You find punishment too excessive? Check what you do
with Carpet Bombing or Napalm Bombs!!
*IX. 5-6: Kill those who join other gods with God wherever you may find them.
MUQ: This is specific reference to battle between Pagans of Makkah and prophet of
Allah. This is not a general or universal verse and has never been interpreted in this
sense by any Muslim. Otherwise why we find so many Non Muslims in countries
which are under Muslim rule for more than 1300 years?
*IV.89: They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that
you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they
fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill
them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a
helper.
*"Know that paradise is under the shades of swords." Sahih al-Bukhari Vol 4
p55
MUQ: This is a general verse exhorting Muslims to fight enemies of Islam. When
time comes and it is the question of survival of Islamic state….every Muslim must
fight otherwise he will be counted as Hypocrite
*Bukhari:V4B52N220 “Allah’s Apostle said, ‘I have been made victorious with

terror.’”
MUQ: Causing terror into enemy’s heart is what Military try to achieve. In the case
of Prophet, Allah gave him already this gift. That is why he was so successful in his
wars. With human loss of less than 1000 lives (on both side) he was able to subdue a
nation of the size of Arabia for a perpetual submission!!
*Quran 8:12 “I shall terrorize the infidels. So wound their bodies and
incapacitate them because they oppose Allah and His Apostle.”

MUQ: Obviously Allah is with the Muslim army and not its opponents!! So why
should you be alarmed at it?
*Quran 8:57 “If you gain mastery over them in battle, inflict such a defeat as
would terrorize them, so that they would learn a lesson and be warned.”
MUQ: This is another military lesson. The enemy should be subdued fully, that he
does not think about rebellion easily
*Ishaq:326 “If you come upon them, deal so forcibly as to terrify those who
would follow, that they may be warned. Make a severe example of them by
terrorizing Allah’s enemies.”
MUQ: I think this is commentary fro above quoted Quranic verse, so the same answer
applies here also.
*Quran 8:67 “It is not fitting for any prophet to have prisoners until he has
made a great slaughtered in the land.”
MUQ: Yes, this is instructions for prophet. That when they are in battle field, they
should first subdue the enemy forces,. Before taking captives or war booties. This is a
military teaching and uniformly acceptable.
*But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans
wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in
every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and
practice regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving,
Most Merciful.
MUQ:
*IX.29 Forcing non-believers to pay tax
MUQ: Already answered , in your cut and paste operation, you forgot that it is
duplicated!!
*Koran-Surah 5:51 "O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians
for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them

for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust
people."
MUQ: The word used in Quran is “AULIA” which means protectors or bosom
friends. If Muslims had taken this Quranic advice sincerely, they would have been
saved from lots and lots of mischief done by these people.
They divide Muslim countries and set them against each other, they first help one side
and then the second side and in the process weaken both of them.
And when the chips are down, they become enemy of all Muslims!! This is a very
good and practical Quranic advice, but Muslims have generally ignored it and they get
swayed by sweet talking and glib tongue of their “Jewish and Christian sincere well
wishers” and find themselves in soup afterwards.
PS: Your post suggests that you have picked up your information from various
sources. There is no uniformity of spelling and references. This is typical of such
“pseudo scholars” like you, who do not do their own home work.
Q188, who="pjam2825"
…….. People like MUQ arrogantly insist that the scientific

information contained within scripture prove it is from divine or
mystic origin for me and I believe you it is proof of complex
knowledge lost.
….
Ans.
Sorry to butt-in your “private” discussion. But since you mentioned my name, I am
entitled to clear my position and my stand:
A. Quran and Modern Science:
1. I have often stated that Quran has not come to teach us science, mathematics or
Medicine. Its purpose is guidance for human kind and not science.
2. The real proof of Quran’s divine origin in its teachings and its challenge to all
human kind to bring another book or a chapter like it in Arabic Language, which no
one is able to do in past 1400 years.

3. Quran draws our attention to nature and things in nature as proofs of God’s Mercy,
Power, Knowledge and wisdom and wants us to reflect and explore nature and looks
for these signs.
4. While commenting on these natural phenomenon, Quran does comment on many

aspects, which were not known to humans when the Quran was being revealed. Many
such things have some into light only recently.
5. That lends ADDITIONAL PROOF to Quran’s Divine Origin….and that is why

NONE of Quranic statements have been contradicted by the established facts of
Modern Science.
B. Authenticity of Bible:
6. As Regards Biblical books, I have always maintained that they had a divine origin,
but people did not preserved them in their original condition. Some they translated
into other language and lost the original. In some books they added, subtracted or did
other type of interpolations.
7. Due to these defects, these Biblical books have become suspect and no longer the
Pure Word of God which was their original status.
8. These books still do contain, Words of God , but these have been mixed with
Words of prophets, Words of Commentators and Translators, Words of Historians and
Worlds of Folklore plus a few semi porno stories. All these are intermixed with ach
other and it is almost impossible to separate one from other.
9. Nevertheless we respect these books and accept their message so long as they do
not go expressively against Quran and its teachings.
10. We take Quran as standard to judge Biblical books. What Quran confirms, we also
confirm, What Quran rejects, we also reject and on which Quran is silent, we are also
silent.
11. My recent series showing the “real status of Biblical books” was to show some
people who are under false impression that present Biblical Books are still Words of
God from beginning to end.

Q189, What are sources of Quran?
Ans.
If you listen to these so called "experts" on subjects like "Sources of Quran".....It

would appear that Prophet Mohammad had a well stocked Library in his house and he
was picking, choosing and editing these various Biblical stories as he wished and
wanted.
They fail to realize that The Prophet did not know how to read and how to write!!
Neither Makkah was a center known for learning like other well known places....very
few Jews and Christians were to be found there.
Quran took 23 years to reveal, where the Prophet was hiding all these "sources" for all
these years.
If some one was "coaching" him then why such a man has to humble himself before
the prophet. Because none of his believers ever disobeyed his commands.
And if our prophet could concoct a book from such diverse sources, then why his
enemies could not do it.....and why despite 1400 years, no one is able to produce a
book like Quran.
But one thing which these "experts" lack is common sense and second thing these
people lack is honesty...
And Third things these people have in abundance is hate, hatred and bias against
Islam....and when you are armed with these "Qualities".....you can prove "Anything"
well "almost anything"!!
Q190, Who=Eric
We know that written versions of the Quran existed during the time
of Mohammed because the Quran itself refers to them. But the
versions that are extant come much later. How do we know that the
ones that we have now are the same as the ones during the time of
Mohammed. As you yourself admit, there is a tradition that speaks
of other versions of the Quran that were much older. We know that
the Caliph decided the version to save. How do we know that that
version is the original? Just because current Arabic copies are the
same. How do we know that the current version is the same as
during Muhammad’s time since no copies are that old. All copies of
the Tanakh in Hebrew and Aramaic today are all the same. Yet you
question them because they don't date back to Moses (actually only
the first 5 books would date back to Moses). But none of the copies
of the Quran date back to Muhammad although there were copies
during his lifetime. The Quran suffers from the same maladies.

am not sure why you addressed this to me. I didn't ask the question
of you. But since you did, here are some thoughts.
Ans.
Your post shows that you have no knowledge about Quran and how it was preserved
and how it was written down. Let me put a few lines for your info and then you will
see, how wrong is to compare Quran with other world’s scriptures.
1. It was universally agreed that our prophet did not know how to read or write. He
received the revelation thru Archangel Gabriel in verbal form and which he
transmitted in oral form to his followers.
2. At the same time, prophet used to call his scribes and get the revelation written
down. He will ask the scribe to write it and then ask him to read it, to verify that he
has written it correctly.
3. The Quran was not revealed whole at one sitting, but in stages in bits and pieces
and it took almost 23 years for it to be revealed.
4. Prophet encouraged Muslims to memorize Quran, he used to recite it in prayers

regularly and Muslims used to recite it during night prayers regularly. So the Quran
was being preserved on both hearts and in written forms.
5. By the time prophet died, there were hundreds of companions of prophet who had
memorized the whole Quran and recited it to prophet in complete form as verification.
6. Many companions of the prophets had some portion or whole portion of Quran
written with them , many during the life time of prophet himself. Prophet died and
the whole Quran was not compiled in a book form, though each verse was written
down and whole Quran was memorized by hundreds of companions.
7. Within two years of the death of Prophet, First caliph of Islam, Abu Bakr compiled
the whole Quran in a book form. He gave that task to Zaid bib Thabit, a young
companion of prophet. Zaid asked people to bring all written material to him,
compared it with the memorized version and he wrote down whole Quran in a book
form.
8. The Quran was kept by Abu bakr, then with Omar and then it was kept under the
custody of Hafsa, wife of prophet and daughter of Omar.
9. During the time of Third caliph of Islam, Othman, there arose difference between
Muslims as to how to recite the Quran properly. Because prophet had allowed
different tribes of Arabia to read Quran in their own dialect. That was a concession
given by prophet, but when many Non Arabs embraced Islam, this started causing
conflict. So Othman decided to make an Official version of Quran, written in the
dialect of tribe of Prophet.
10. Othman appointed the same Zaid as head of a committee to oversee this job. Zaid
asked Hfasa the wife of prophet for that copy of written Quran, asked people to bring

to him any portion of written Quran along with two witnesses to testify that it was
written in presence of prophet and was recited to him. (Contd.)
11. That is how the Official Version of Quran was written down during reign of
Othman. He asked Zaid to make 6 to 8 copies and one each for dispatched to each
major province along with an official reciter. Othman asked people to destroy
whatever portion of Quran people have other than this official version, so that there be
no further disputes or confusion in the Book of Allah.
12. Now three copies from those Quran still survive and every one can compare them
with what Muslims read today.
13. The whole process was transparent, there were thousands of companions of
prophet still alive when the Quran was being written down.
14. How can we compare Quran with any book of OT or NT, when we even do not
know who wrote the, who edited them and how they were preserved during copying
and translation and transmission.
15 Authenticity of Biblical books is “confirmed” by the Church for laymen, while in

case of Quran it is demonstrated in the field. Comparing Quran with Biblical books is
like comparing oranges against apples.
16. There are hardly any one who has memorized Tanakh or OT or NT books.
Memorizers of Quran are in hundreds of thousands in all ages and in all times and in
every country and in every nation and many whose mother tongue is not even
Arabic!! Can we have any such parallel for Tanakh!
17. It is to cover up for their own shortcomings that these people raise objections
against Quran….making mountains out of molehills…..so that they can justify the
mistakes, the errors and so many contradictions and incompatibilities in their own
manuscripts.
Hello, aren't there enough people born of this land that read the
Quran and would be capable of the task of the Imam?
Who chooses the Imam's ?
You say enough time to study Islam.I was under the impression
that all Muslims had to learn their Quran from an early age, so by
the time they reach adult age, they know it by heart
Is it so, that in your system if a woman has sexual intercourse

against her will, she is deemed guilty under your system of justice
seeing she has to prove she was the innocent party.

A. Quran and its memorization:
Reading Quran and memorizing selected portion of it is the duty of each Muslim and I
know almost every Muslim tries to memorize as much portion of Quran as they can.
Since every one has to offer individual prayer also, so they must have to memorize at
least opening chapter of Quran and some small chapters that will suffice their needs.
Quran is still the most read and most memorized book in the world and there are
hundreds of thousands of Muslims who have memorized it fully during all ages…..but
it would be parting from the truth, if Is aid that every Muslim has memorized Quran
fully.
B. Imam:
Imam simply means the one who is in front, I.e. the one who leads the prayer. In fact
any Muslim if he can recite some portions of Quran properly can be an Imam, but
Muslims strive to find who is better reciter of Quran or has memorized more portion
of Quran to lead the prayer.
Imam is not an elected post, people or the governing body of mosque appoint Imams ,
and they get some remuneration for that.
It is not obligatory to appoint a foreign Imam or Imam from a particular nation or

group, it is an open subject.
I would be happy if Muslims of Australia become self sufficient in this regard and not
only have their local Imams but also send them to other Western countries where
there is shortage of local born Imams.
C. Women forced to perform sex:
In such cases there shall be no punishment to the women and she shall be free of any
wrong doing.
If she can pinpoint and has proof (witness and circumstantial ) against the man who
forced her,. Then that man shall be given death penality by Islam courts.
In Islam rape is a crime which is punishable by death.
Hello, aren't there enough people born of this land that read the
Quran and would be capable of the task of the Imam?
Who chooses the Imam's ?
You say enough time to study Islam. I was under the impression
that all Muslims had to learn their Quran from an early age, so by
the time they reach adult age, they know it by heart

Is it so, that in your system if a woman has sexual intercourse

against her will, she is deemed guilty under your system of justice
seeing she has to prove she was the innocent party.
Ans.
A. Quran and its memorization:
Reading Quran and memorizing selected portion of it is the duty of each Muslim and I
know almost every Muslim tries to memorize as much portion of Quran as they can.
Since every one has to offer individual prayer also, so they must have to memorize at
least opening chapter of Quran and some small chapters that will suffice their needs.
Quran is still the most read and most memorized book in the world and there are
hundreds of thousands of Muslims who have memorized it fully during all ages…..but
it would be parting from the truth, if Is aid that every Muslim has memorized Quran
fully.
B. Imam:
Imam simply means the one who is in front, I.e. the one who leads the prayer. In fact
any Muslim if he can recite some portions of Quran properly can be an Imam, but
Muslims strive to find who is better reciter of Quran or has memorized more portion
of Quran to lead the prayer.
Imam is not an elected post, people or the governing body of mosque appoint Imams ,
and they get some remuneration for that.
It is not obligatory to appoint a foreign Imam or Imam from a particular nation or

group, it is an open subject.
I would be happy if Muslims of Australia become self sufficient in this regard and not
only have their local Imams but also send them to other Western countries where
there is shortage of local born Imams.
C. Women forced to perform sex:
In such cases there shall be no punishment to the women and she shall be free of any
wrong doing.
If she can pinpoint and has proof (witness and circumstantial ) against the man who
forced her,. Then that man shall be given death penality by Islam courts.
In Islam rape is a crime which is punishable by death.

Q193, Who=Bufford
Qur'an 67:3 "We created seven heavens, one above the other.
Muhammad, can you see any fault in Ar-Rahman's creation? Look
again: Can you see any rifts or fissures? Then look again and yet
again. Your gaze turns back dazed and tired. We have adorned the
lowest skies with lamps, and We have made them missiles to drive
away the devils and against the stone Satans, and for them We
have prepared the doom of Hell and the penalty of torment in the
most intense Blazing Fire."
Sounds good to me!
Ans.
I do not know what you find objectionable from scientific point is verses 67:3
onwards?
Seven is indefinite plural in Arabic it could denote many skies, any thing above earth
is a sky. Clouds are in the sky, so are the sun and moons and stars and the galaxies.
Is there any break in the God’s Universe? Do we not get light signals from distances
as far as 4 or 5 Billion light years? If there was any discontinuity in the Universe,
surely those signals would not have reached us?
Are there any different laws for different places of the Universe?
Earth gets illuminated from the stars in the night. We people living in cities (with so
much background light) seldom see the majesty and grandeur of sky with all its stars.
The lower layer of atmosphere protects earth from many things, harmful rays are
filtered and meteorites are broken into pieces.
If some of them are used against Satan or Devils, how we are sure that it is not the
case?
For rejecters of truth, there is grave penalty in the hereafter.
I am unable to see, what is the point of your complaint?
Q194, Did Quran copied from Bible?
Ans.
A small proof that Quran is from a different source than OT:
I have clarified the charge that “Quran says that sun sets in murky waters” (18:98)
….now I will just point out one more small incident that will show that Quran had a
different source than OT books.

This concerns the story of prophet Joseph. It is described in Book of Genesis Ch 37-
Ch-50 and in Quran Ch. 12 (I have already covered that in detail some times back).
I want to make reference to a small problem between the two narratives. (there are
many big differences for that matter).
Who was the King of Egypt when Joseph reached Egypt?
Bible refers to him as Pharaoh, which was the traditional Title for Kings of Egypt.
This word Pharaoh is used not less than 50 or 100 times in the book of Genesis.
While in Quran, he is always referred to as “King” and never even once as Pharaoh !!
Some one will say “Because Mohammad did not know that Pharaoh was not a proper
name, but a title. He thought Pharaoh is the name of King of Egypt during time of
Moses”
So they ridiculed Quran and Prophet and made loose remarks on his “poor knowledge
based on hearsay, just putting down in Quran what he heard in market places and
passing caravans”
What Modern Archeological Researchers say:
1. Just before the time of Joseph, the Egyptian Kingdom got divided into two, lower
kingdom and upper kingdom. Each claiming Title of Pharaoh, so there were indeed
two Pharaoh at one time.
2. Then one Shepherd tribe invaded the Upper kingdom and took possession of that
land. They also defeated the Pharaoh of Lower kingdom and he had to fled from
Egypt and take his residence some where in Sudan.
3. These new kings were known as Shepherd kings (Egyptians did not take them as
Pharaohs)…it was during this time that Joseph reached Egypt, so the ruler was not
actually Pharaoh….it was this king which allowed Joseph the position of Power and
allowed his family to enter Egypt and dwell in the best part of the country.
4. It was 50 or 100 years after Joseph…when the son or grand son of the Lower
Kingdom Pharaoh came back and dispossessed those shepherd kings and reunited the
two kingdoms and declared themselves once again as Pharaohs.
5. These “New Pharaohs” were against the Jews and persecuted them….till God
delivered them from Pharaoh by the hands of Moses.
Now the Question I want to ask is this:
A. Was Quran wrong calling the King of Egypt as “King and not Pharaoh” or was
Bible wrong in calling him Pharaoh?
B. Did our prophet knew about this “internal history” of Egypt when he “wrote” the
Quran?

C. What was the “hand” that prevented him writing Pharaoh and instructed him to
write King.
D. What about those people who ridiculed and made fun of “ignorance” of prophet
Mohammad for centuries before these Archeological Findings came out in defense of
Quranic narratives?
E. How can you say that Quran was simply copied from Bible?
This same situation is when we find “Insurmountable Contradiction” between Quran

and Modern Science. In many cases we find that a slight reflection and understanding
will solve those contradictions.
For some “Real Contradictions” (Like this BTOE)…it is Science that has to correct its
path and not Quran!!
Q195, Who=Buford
Here is yet another curious thing.
I searched the question: "Can the Qur'an be translated?" and this

site came up: http://www.everything.com/can-quran-be-transl...
Excerpt:
Arguments Against Translating the Qur’an
"Muslims may argue that the Qur’an was revealed in Arabic, and
thus that language preserves God’s exact words. At the time of its
revelation, and even now, the Qur’an is considered to be the
perfection of the Arabic language. .. fully grasp the meaning of the
Qur’an.
Arguments for Translating the Qur’an
From the earliest days of Islam, there were non-Arabic speakers

among the Muslim community. The Qur’an brings a universal
message to all of mankind, not only to those who can read its text
in Arabic. Therefore, there have always been some who promote

the translation of the meaning of the Qur’an into languages

understood by a wider audience.
My question is this: shouldn't Muslims and all others who would

know the Hebrew Scriptures learn "Classical Hebrew" so as to best
understand what God/Allah was revealing to those "people of the
book" in the language that they knew?
Ans.
I thank you for bringing a very interesting topic up for discussion and that is “Can
Quran be translated”?
I would slightly re-phrase this question and ask “Can any scripture be translated” ?
A. What we mean by translation?
1. Translation is to help people of other language to understand the meaning of the

original scripture.
2. Translation is accurate reproduction of original scripture in another language and

for people of other languages, and for all practical purposes it takes the place of
original scripture.
These are two major view points as for as translation of any scripture is concerned
B. What are scriptures and how they are different from other books / writings /
documents:
1. I think most followers of any religion agree that their scriptures are holy and they
are “Inspired or dictated Word from God Almighty”. Or books written by prophets
or their disciples thru inspiration.
2. Words of Holy scriptures have a special place and they need be preserved.
3. Other books and documents are not in that category. If people understand their
meaning, it is not necessary to preserve original words.
Now, let us ask this question:
C. Can any Scripture be faithfully translated into another language?
1. I think every one should understand that every language has its own peculiarities.
Words and phrases used have special shades of meaning and depending on the
situation, same word might change its shade..
2. With the sacred nature of scripture, translating them into any language is not
without error.

2A. It depends on the level of knowledge and understanding of the translator as to

how best he could convey the original meaning into new language. If the translator be
one who is not believer in that scripture, he might twist and turn the meaning and few
would notice it.
3. Errors of translators are compounded when link with original manuscript is lost and
people freely use translations in place of original document.
D. Case study: Bible:
1. Best case study is Translation of Bible; its manuscripts are in Hebrew, Greek,
Aramaic and Latin…..very few people understand these languages in modern time.
2. So Bible has been translated into different languages and these people only know
their Bible only thru that translation. They cannot read or have ever read the original
“Revealed Words of God”, what they read and recite are words of translators, and not
Words of God.
3. Differences between different translations, give rise to many controversies and

people divide into sects and denominations because of these translations.
4. No one cares about original manuscripts and they keep on arguing on each word
and each phrase of translations, taking them into dogmatic sense and arguing with
each other endlessly.
E. Middle path of Islam regarding Translation of Quran:
1. First of all, Muslims believe that Quran is the Revealed Word of God in Arabic
Language. No translations can replace the Revealed Word of God and no translation
can be Called Quran in that language.
2. In the initial stage of Islam, it was mandatory for every one to recite Quran in
Arabic language, so as not to cause divisions between Muslims and to preserve the
Word of God in its original state.
3. After a few centuries, when the foundations of Quran were deeply rooted and there
was no danger of its getting corrupted, it was allowed for people to translate it into
other languages, so people of other languages could understand its meaning.
4. But in Prayers and ceremonies, Quran must be recited in its Original Arabic and no
translation in other language can take its place.
5. In this way, Muslims for 1400 years have preserved Quran in its original language
and it is possible for any Muslim from any country to go to any other country in the
word and perform prayers without any doubt or confusion as to what is being said. If
people were using different translations as Quran, Hajj and any International
gathering of Muslims would have caused lot of differences.

6. Every one has access to Original Quran and in case of doubt, mistakes or errors of
translators could be verified or corrected.
7. It is mainly Quran which has preserved Classic Arabic to be kept alive and not
change despite all these 1400 years. If some one wants to read English of year 1000
CE, I doubt he will feel that it is English or another language!!
I hope I could clarify this matter from my point of view.
Q196, Who= eric
So the Quran suffers from the same problems that you rail about
the Bible. To those who don't speak Arabic, there are multiple
translations.
And, why can't the same be said about the Tanakh? Can't we refer
back to the Hebrew and Aramaic texts to check and cross check in
case we have a dispute?
Ans.
Quran does not suffer at all from the sickness that Bible has:
1. First of All, Textual Purity of Quran is unprecedented. Every one recites the same
Quran. While textual purity of Biblical books is in doubt.
2. Quran’s traceability to its “author” is beyond any doubt. In case of most Biblical
books, we even do not know you wrote them in the first place. Even if we make a
calculated guess…we certainly do not know the names of “unknown hands” that
edited them number of times.
Quran is in a LIVE International language. There are millions of people, Muslim,

Jews, Christians who have Arabic as a mother tongue. Its language and its phrases
are still in wide usage, while in case of Bible, the manuscripts are in DEAD language.
No one except a very few people can understand it.
3. There is no shortage of Bilingual Translators in most world language. Those who

translate directly from Arabic into those languages. I doubt if so many direct
translators are available for Bible. They might use KJV or RSV as source and
translate from them.
4. In case of any doubt in the translation, people can very easily cross check,
because Arabic knowing people are available in Most Islamic countries. This is not
possible for Bible. Every Church holds to its own Bible!!
5. Daily recitation of Quran in Arabic brings Muslim very close to Understand their
meanings, while very few read Bible in the language in which their prophets
spoke it.

B. About Tanakh:
I do not know what is Tanakh. Please tell me what it is? How is it different from
Biblical books. Who wrote them? How were they transmitted and protected from
corruption?
What is the oldest manuscript and how close it is to its origin?
These are the questions that need be asked about any religious scripture. Just
believing in what people say and repeat is not correct.
What I think is that Tanakh is the Biblical manuscripts in Hebrew language. Please
correct me if I am wrong.
Q197, Was Universe Created in Six, 24 hours day?
Ans.
My purpose here is not to be dogmatic or to criticize any scripture; I only want to put
my honest opinion on this subject to the best of my knowledge.
A. Power of God:
I believe that God is so powerful that He can create this whole universe in the
twinkling of any eye!!
So it is not the question of How Powerful is God or what can He do or not do.
B. Question of Time:
The question of time is only relevant for us humans who have a limited life time. For
God who is Eternal and who shall live for ever, the question of Time Period is not that
essential in itself.
For Him a Million and a Billion Years of our time is like nothing!!
C. Wrong understanding of God’ creation process:
Some people are under the wrong impression, that when God creates any thing, it
should come into existence instantaneously, If it take small or more time to come into
existence, then it is not created by God.
They fail to forget that God is also wise and knowledgeable. He does every thing
properly and with logic and reason. The laws and process which we see in NATURE
are also made by Him and Him only.
So if God has fixed time period for certain process, there is nothing wrong and it in no
way puts a restriction on God’s Power.
D. Creation of Galaxies and Stars and Earth:

Some people argue that since it took many millions of years for galaxies to form and
then our sun to be created and then earth to separate from sun and then slow process
of earth getting cooled and continents to form and then life to originate…..so these
processes could not be from God’ process of creation but NATURE’ own ways.
This is not correct, every step in the process of creation of Universe and origin of life
on this earth, was formulated by God and it took place in that order.
E. Correct Science and Scriptures do not contradict each other:
Science by definition is study of cause and effect and its observations and findings are
based on observation and deduction…..so for most part Scientific Observations are
correct (except when they start hypothesizing like this BTOE) and logical.
Scripture by definition are direct revelation from God the Creator of Universe, so how
can scriptures say some thing which is against true scientific observations?
By definition of truth, they do not contradict each other; every truth supports another
truth, so there cannot be any contradiction in true science and true revelation from
God.
F. What to do if there is any Contradiction between Science and Scripture:
So if we see that there is a certain and unavoidable contradiction between Established

Scientific Fact and any Scripture, we should recheck both carefully.
Either is Scientific Observation or deductions are wrong or the Scripture is not really
Word of God or has been corrupted or changed during transmission and preservation.
Direct Revelation form God is Pure Truth and it can never contradict True
Observation.
G. Biblical description of Creation of Universe:
After what I have written above, there is no doubt in my mind that the Biblical
description of Creation (as mentioned in Gen Chapter 1) is not correct literally.
Either the text has been tempered with or the words used are allegorical and not to be
interpreted in literal sense. I am not saying this to hurt any one’s feelings, but
according to me this is the best approach to reconcile the two extreme views.
Quranic description of Creation do not contradict established facts of science, only

because Quran is preserved exactly in the words and in the form it was revealed to our
prophet.
Q198, who="Captcanuck"
The entire rest of the planet except your most radical Islamic states
have women dressing normal not those stupid burkas/black tents.

Your society is abnormal to the rest of the planet and it is rejected

whole hardly.
Shorts are not allowed in public for either sex in Saudi Arabia
meanwhile it's like a zillion degrees.
The laws of the despot nation are just plain bad and very restrictive.
Your wasting your time advocating your foolish restrictions.
Ans.
A. Majority and Truth:
Majority of people doing and following this and that is not a PROOF that it is the
right course.
You have to provide Logic and Proves in support of your logic.
If majority of people on this earth start eating from their noses, it would not become
right. Natural course to feed human is still thru the mouth.
If majority of people on earth start walking on their head, it would not become right,
the natural way to walk would still be on the legs.
If majority of people start believing that earth is flat, it will not become flat, it would
still be spherical in shape.
In the same way, if majority of people on earth start believing that there is no God, He
will not vanish!! He will still remain the Creator, Cherisher and Owner of the earth.
B. Perfect Equality between Sexes:
Perfect equality between males and females is still only a myth and has never been
practiced in ANY COUNTRY of the world.
How you can have perfect equality between the two sexes, when they are different
physically, mentally, psychologically.
How you can have direct competition between sexes when God made them as
Complimentary to each other?
If some one tries to do it, he or she will fail and Nature would take its revenge for
following a Non Natural process (as it always does, whenever humans try to act “over
smart”).
C. Perfect Equality is a Myth:
Why you have more Female Nurses than Male Nurses?
Why you have more Females in Electronic Assembly lines than males?

We always have MORE male doctors, surgeons, engineers, politicians and top
thinkers in Males than in females. I am not against females in any way, but I am
stating the facts.
Despite more than 100 years of Western Women’s Liberation (I should say
exploitation) why the perfect equality has not been Achieved in ANY of the Western
nation or society?
D. Islamic division of Roles and Duties:
Islamic ideology is based on Nature and it divides the roles in most natural way.
But people who always act and think in Un-natural ways, would find these divisions
offensive!!
Like one who thinks eating thru Nose is Natural….would take offense at any one
eating thru mouth!!

Chapter-6
(On Jews and Israel)

Q199, who="Frijoles"
Save your sob story for people who care....

Palestinians waited 4o years before they took their matters into
their own hands?
Lets do the math. Just an example: 1929 hebron massacre of
Jews.... 1929 minus 40 years = 1889.
Who did they appeal to from 1889-1929? The Turks? The UN? The
Turks were fellow Mulsims - why didnt they oblige?
MUQ you are full of SH*T as usual.
Ans.
You miscalculated the dates….I was referring to 1947 partition of Palestine
1947 + 40 = 1987
That was the time when INTIFADA (Palestinian freedom movement started) and
HAMAS like groups were formed.
If you calculate the date from 1917, when large scale Jewish migration to Palestine
was allowed then we have
1917 + 40 = 1957
And that was the time when PLO like organizations were formed.
I am not that far from my calculations…..but it is you who are putting forward
fictitious dates and events.
Q200, [QUOTE who="Rick Moss"]

1. You know PRECISELY what this word means and where it comes
from. I'll answer this for others who might not know.
2. The word "anti-Semite ", while not anthropologically accurate,

has been used for over 100 years to describe collected hatred
specifically against Jews. The term was not coined by Jews at all
-- but by Germans.
3. These German writers used the term "Semite" to refer

exclusively to Jews in a pejorative manner. The purpose of the
term was to highlight the non-European origins and customs of
Jews and Judaism to isolate them and target them for abuse.
4. Because of it's popular usage, it has achieved the definition

that it has today. Changing the meaning of a common usage
term doesn't alter the fact that specific hatred of Jews as
opposed to other Semitic peoples exists. To pretend that it does
is ingenuous..
Ans.
1. I thank you for pre-judging me!! I told in the start with that the name is a misnomer
and the word does not convey what is actually says.
2. If the name Anti Semite is not correct, what prevents us from correcting it now?
Why you want to persist with the mistake?
It does not matter if the term was coined by Germans or Australians or any one else, a
mistake is a mistake and once brought to our notice, we should correct it.
When the hate is against Jews, why hide the word Jews and cover it up with term like
Semite? Arabs are also Semite and they outnumber Jews by many orders of
magnitude, why they should be removed from this protection?
3. What Germans writer did is neither here nor there. We have outgrown every thing
that those Germans did, why we want to persist with this Anti Semite
terminology?
If those German writers did mistake, we should correct it rather than persist with it?
4. Have you ever thought why people should systematically hate only Jews? What
are Jews own contribution to cultivate that hate?
Why of all people and races to choose from, only Jews are singled out for this
hate…..they cannot be as clean as snow….they are not white wooly lambs, whom
every wolf in the world lover to devour…..surely they must have done something
to earn that constant hate from most of world people?

And how come it is not OK to hate Jews…but it is OK to hate Arabs, and Muslims
and Indians and Chinese and Japanese. There is no law to catch you, if you write
hate messages against any other people….but you must not say any thing against
Jews.
All in all, your post was a very weak approach to justify a wrong thing and a wrong
practice.

Q201, who="crimes4allah"]
Try me... Hebrew is a beautiful language. Psalms is the old

testament, isn't it? Post it in Hebrew, I'll translate it. Also in Arabic,
but it's not a beautiful language.
Ans.
There comes your bias!! ALL languages are beautiful!! To those who speak them!!
You calling Hebrew and beautiful and Arabic as not beautiful shows your open bias.
All languages are from God Almighty and we should not place one language over
another.
So many nations just came based on the language they speak!! For every nation, its
language is the best and sweetest.
But what we know that last Revelation and Final Revelation from God came in Arabic
Language.....and we should bow down to the choice of our Lord and Creator.
Why Did He chose Arabic and Arabia as a place for His Last Prophet and Last
revelation? We can make guesses but the real knowledge is with our God, Our Lord
and Our Creator only!!
So we should hold our tongue when we comment about any language.
I have nothing whatsoever against Hebrew, Greek, Sanskrit, Tamil, Malayalam, Urdu,
Chinese , Korean or thousands of other world languages.
In fact, In Quran, Allah refers to the differences in colors and languages as a Sign
from Allah!!
Q202, who="Eric"
The Tanakh are the Jewish holy scriptures. The oldest Tanakh
predates the oldest Quran by 14 centuries. Note that no Qu'ran
from Muhammad exists. The oldest Quran dating back to his family
are not entirely the same although current copies, like the Tanakh
are consistent with each other. Purity is guaranteed by laws
governing the scribes.
Ans.
You say that Tanakh predate Mohammad by 14 century.....so that should be around
800 BC!!
Do you know when Moses existed? Around 1800 BC.

So these Tanakh are almost 1000 years after Moses?
How are you sure that they faithfully preserve every word which Moses spoke?
Who wrote these Tanakh and how were they preserved?
I doubt if you have original complete Hebrew Manuscript of EVEN ONE OT books
as old as 800 BC.
Having bits and pieces are not enough to verify authenticity of any document.
Now regarding Quran, it is known universally that our prophet did not know how to
read and write. So there is no case of having his hand written manuscript..
However he SAW to it that EVERY WORD of what revelation he received was

WRITTEN DOWN DURING HIS LIFE TIME. Then he conveyed the same
wordings thru oral recitation to thousands of his followers.
Quran was openly read in five daily prayers 9as it is done to this day). People were
listening to recitation of Prophet and remembering the same words. Quran was the
ONLY source of their evangelization.
Then, within two years of prophet’s death, the WHOLE QURAN was written down in
presence of thousands of his companions. And then within 20 years of his death, six
or eight copies of that Quran were made and distributed to all major Islamic
provinces. Two copies from that original 6 or 8 copies still survive to this day!!
So there is no comparison in textual purity of Quran as compared to any book on this

earth, Tanakh, OT or NT!!
Purity of any old scripture is only guaranteed if it is committed in memory form and
distributed amongst the masses, so that it is not private knowledge any way. This was
done for Quran and not for any other book on this earth.
I can only express my sympathy to you and to them……but you cannot post dated
verify authenticity of any document.
May be it was plan of God……that only one Authentic Scripture be available on the
face of earth.
But I do not say, that your scripture is 100 % wrong or 100 % forgery. It does contain
words of God……but it also contains words of prophets, words of commentators and
words of history writers and a few folklores …..what you need is a standard a
criterion to swift grain from the chaff so to say!!
Look for that standard through out the earth!!
Q203, who="Ex-Mess ”

RIghto. When Ishmael was blessed, his numbers became numerous

and he needed a lot of territory, so now he has 57 nations. When
Isaac was blessed, his name was changed to Israel and the twelve
tribes and they were given one small land. So why does Ishmael not
be thankful for all his blessings and leave Israel alone?
Ans.
You do not know the story of Ishmael and Isaac in its totality.
God did promise the land of Canaan to Abraham and his descendants after him.
So Ishmael and his children have as much right on the land of Canaan as the children
of Isaac (if we speak strictly thru the book of Genesis).
When the Children of Isaac were strong enough to defend their territories…..the
children of Ishmael did not interfere with than land…
However when the Abraham’ legacy well into the hand of “others” (Romans, Greek
and Pagans) and they drove out children of Isaac from the promised lands in 70
AD…..and 600 years passed and there was NO WAY in which Children of Isaac
could come back to take their lands from “squatters”….
It was then that children of Ishmael, decided to re-possess their birth right….they
drove out all those “foreigners” from the land and cleansed it from all outside
interference and they toll possession of 100 % of all lands , which feet of Abraham,
Ishmael, Isaac, and Jacob had touched during their entire lives!!
So Muslims indeed did a favor to Jews by re-claiming the Land of Palestine from
Roman Empire.
Then Muslims never claimed “sole possession” of that holy land…but they
maintained peace and tranquility in holy land for 1300 years and they allowed Jews to
come and live in these lands as and when they wished.
But Jews tied to repay the same hospitality…..after 1917, when they termed their
“elder cousins” as “Squatters” and forced them into exiles with the help of same
“outsiders” who were responsible for their exile in 70 AD.
What a strange world we do live in!!

Q204 Who=LWS
Ans.
Here are short answers for your questions that caused you confusion:
1. You and Ken seem to disagree as to whether Isaac or Ishmael was the son that
was symbolically sacrificed because God was testing Abraham's trust and
obedience.
MUQ:
a. It is mentioned both in Quran and Bible that God subjected Prophet Abraham to
extreme test by asking him to sacrifice his son.
b. The sacrifice was to be only symbolic; as God would not allow the son to be
actually killed (but that was not known to either Abraham or the child before hand).
c. As per Bible that son was Isaac, and as per Islamic literature it was Ishmael.
d. But the Bible records show a contradiction by calling Isaac as ‘The only son of
Abraham” ; while at no point in Abraham’s life, Isaac was his “Only son”.
That distinction only belonged to Ishmael when for 13 or 14 years (when Abraham
was 86 to 99 years old), he was his only son.
e. In order to overcome this “problem” in Biblical story, “scholars” like Ken and
others say bad thing about Ishmael, to prove that he was of a lower stock and not
worthy or fit to be called “Only son of Abraham”.
This is merely a theological argument and every one can see whose arguments carry
more weight.
2. What difference does it make to Islam whether Isaac or Ishmael was the
sacrifice?
MUQ:
a. It does not make ANY difference in the real sense, because the test was for
Abraham and his sons and not for their descendents.
b. But the records have to be set right and like we cannot say that ‘Queen Elizabeth –
II” is the Queen of India and England.
c. If some thing is wrong historically and the records show some contradiction, we
should find logical explanation for it.

3. What difference does it make whether Isaac or Ishmael was "legitimate"

in terms of ancient traditions?
MUQ:
a. There is no question of “Illegitimacy” of either Ishmael or Isaac, because God

Almighty recognised and blessed “Both of them” as the sons of Abraham.
b. But it is the jealousy on the parts of Jews that they look down upon Ishmael and his
people, Arabs, (same way as they look down on other people and nations of the
world).
4. Where does the "wild donkey of a man" come from?
MUQ:
a. This comes from Chapter 16 Verse 12, where angel is supposed to have said to
Hagar (About Ishmael)
“He will be a wild donkey of a man; his hands will be against anyone and everyone’
hands will be against him, and he will live in hostility towards all his brothers”
b. This “prophesy” is wrong on all counts, because Isaac and Ishmael had no
arguments or quarrels with each other and they never fought on any issue.
c. Isaac was settled in the land of Canaan (Palestine) and Ishmael was settled in
Makkah….so there was never any tussle between these two branches for many
centuries!!
5. Could Isaac and Ishmael be the same person, confused by ancient oral
traditions?
MUQ:
a. There is fat chance for that, Credentials of both Ishmael and Isaac are well
established so there is no chance in the world to say that they are one and the same
persons.
b. But there could be some “glory stealing” in some individual and particular
incidents as we saw on this issue.
6. I thought it was Sarah's idea for Hagar to bear Abraham's child- Is this
correct or incorrect? Is there any significance to who "decided" that Hagar bear
Ishmael?
MUQ:
a. It is very correct and it is recorded in Bible. The book of Genesis records in Chapter
16

“Now Sarai , Abram’s wife had borne him no children, but she had an Egyptian maid
servant named Hagar; she said to Abram “The Lord has kept me from having
children. Go sleep with my maidservant; perhaps I can build a family thru her. Abram
agreed to what Sarai said” (V1-2)
“ So after Abram had been living in Canaan ten years, Sarai his wife took her
Egyptian servant Hagar and gave her to her husband to be his wife, he slept with her
and she conceived” (Verse 3-4)
b. Anyone can see that verses 1-2 are from a different source and verses 3-4 are from
another source. The language of Verses 1-2 is “Coarser” than of V3-4.
c. They repeat the same story. That Abram took Hagar as his wife after Sarah was
barren for many years.
7. What significance (if any) does Ishmael's legitimacy have on the conflict
between Islam and Judaism?
MUQ:
a. The conflict between Islam and Judaism has nothing to do with the legitimacy of
either Ishmael or Isaac.
b. The legitimacy or illegitimacy of any person has no effect on their subsequent

generations (according to Bible), because the “illegitimate” son of Incest Zerah
(conceived from the incest that Judah the son of Jacob had with Tamar his daughter in
law – as mentioned in Genesis Chapter 38) … if the forefather of such illustrious
persons like David, Solomon, ….and even Jesus!!
c. And basically there is no conflict between Islam and Judaism as such. They are in
different planes, Islam and Christianity are competing against each other, as to which
can gain more converts, but Jews are not in this business.
d. On theological level, Judaism is more align with Islam than Christianity, Islam and
Judaism have many things in common and most of the laws in two are more or less
same.
8. What exactly is the argument ABOUT? I am trying to understand, but you are
NOT helping.
MUQ:
a. The basic argument is where advent of our prophet Mohammad (peace be on him)
is mentioned in OT and / NT books or not. (And by the way, that is headline of my all
posts!!)
b. Both Jews and Christians claim that most “Major” events in human history are
mentioned and prophesized in their books, then how come advent of our prophet,

which changed the course of world history and had both direct and indirect effect on
Judaism and Christianity is left out from their books?
Despite this lacunae , both Jews and Christians are more than 100 % “Sure” that their
books have “Nothing” to say about the advent of our prophet
c. And the Jews are also “more than 100 % certain” that their Scriptures have
“nothing” to say about “Jesus”….
To which Christian scholars take “strong exception” and try to “Prove by quoting
Jewish scriptures” that such and such books and verses say such and such things about
Jesus.
d. Why can’t we Muslims do the same thing about our prophet? And try to prove by
quoting from Jewish and Christian Scriptures that such and such books and such and
such verses speak about the advent of our prophet?
e. Is it logical or illogical approach?
Q205, who="Absurdity ”
Yeah imagine how surprised they would be if they realized that

there are Israelis fighting the same fight we are against their own
government. Exchange programs between Hebron and the Israelis
in an attempt to teach each other that there is no reason they
cannot live in peace beside one another. And Israeli activists living
in Jerusalem that are fighting for the rights of Palestinians.
And the Turkish that attempted to bring supplies in for the

Palestinians. Why would these people all be trying to go against the
Israeli Government? Egypt opens the borders to let some supplies
in to Gaza and they are immediately threatened by the Israeli
Government. Why are so many people wrong and only the Israeli
and the US Governments right? The Israelis are using religion the
same as Hamas and other groups to say that God has promised
them that they would return to the promise land. Well maybe today
isn’t the day.
Ans.
Jews and Muslims were indeed living in peace for more than past 1300 years……the
things changed when swarms of European Jews descended in Palestine in hordes after
end of WW-1 and started all that mischief in the land.
The way they see is that, the land belongs to them and no one else…..and if you go by
their history of past 3000 years…..they could only got full control of Palestine for less
than 100 years of last 3000 years!!

They were forced to share the lands with Non Jews, willingly or unwillingly and the
same will happen in this case also.
Irrespective of how much force, torture, lies and killing they do in the land they will
NEVER EVER will get full possession of the Land of Palestine!!
And I have reason from Bible to say this thing forcefully….according to Bible (book
of Genesis), God said to Abraham
“14. The LORD said to Abram after Lot had parted from him, "Lift up your eyes from
where you are and look north and south, east and west. 15 All the land that you see I
will give to you and your offspring [a] forever. 16 I will make your offspring like the
dust of the earth, so that if anyone could count the dust, then your offspring could be
counted. 17 Go, walk through the length and breadth of the land, for I am giving it to
you." (Gen 13:14-17).
And the offspring of Abraham does include Ishmael and his offspring also!! So if this
promise of God is true….Jews would NEVER EVER be able to usurp the share of
Ishmael and his offspring!!
And if the God’ promise is not true, then Jews have no legal title to land of Palestine
at all!!
As per Muslims they NEVER said that this land belongs to them exclusively…they
Always shared it with Jews and Christians.
Under Muslim rule spanning more than 1300 years, the land only saw and
experienced true peace for such a large duration.
Just look at Bible when Jews were ruling the land of Palestine…and modern period
from 1917-2010 and see how many days of peace the land has seen since Jews were
ruling that land!!
Q206, who="Spartan ”]
Listen, "friend", I’m not from Israel, i don't have friends in Israel,
i'm not Jewish in faith, hell, I don't have anything close with these
people, but when you say that "they should wiped out from the face
of the earth because they have desirable qualities", i know what i
want, people like you to be isolated from the rest, as abnormal
Ans.
Thank you "friend"…. I am happy that you are not "emotionally attached " with
Israel, as so many people do on this thread.
You misunderstood my views when I said "Israel should be wiped off from the face of
the one or most people living in Israel should be killed.

What I meant that the present state of Israel should end….its population redistributed
as it was before 1917.
Because existence of Israel is not good for world peace…it is the main source of
violence, turbulence and terrorism in the world.
So to maintain world peace, those in power should take steps to dismantle it or restrict
its power or influence….same way as they did in Iraq, in Afghanistan…..they way
they are planning it for Iran, Libya , Syria, Yemen, Saudi Arabia and Host of other
counties.
Instated of fighting so many countries it is easier and more beneficial if they just
remove one country….which is source of all these problems…..the Zionist state of
Israel.
It does makes a lot of common sense!!.
Unless you are very biased for Israel or emotionally attached to it, you will see the
wisdom and truth in it.
Q207, who="Spartan ”
The only person that would not care for a country to get wiped out
from the face of the earth, is a fanatic.
I hope you are not one of them, but you also have to know, that the
few are always fight for the rights of the many.
Ans.
Do you know how many countries have been wiped out from the face of earth in our
"Short span of life"? And how many New Countries have been born?
I will give you a short list (off hand from my memory):
A. Countries that were wiped out from Earth:
1. North and South Vietnam (Now there is only One Vietnam).
2. North and South Yemen (Now there is Only One Yemen).
3. East and West Germany (Now there is Only One Germany).
3. Chezslovakia
4. Yugoslavia
5. USSR
6. Sikkim (Swallowed by India).

7. Tibet (Swallowed by China).
8. Hong Kong (annexed by China).
9. Macau (Annexed by China)
B. New Countries which were Created (right before our eyes):
1. Bangladesh. (Even its Father, Pakistan was part of India before 1947)
2. Ukraine, Georgia, Latvia, Moldova, …etc.
3. Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Azerbaijan…etc.
4. East Timor
C. Political boundaries of world and countries keep changing all the time.\:
If you look at the Map of World 200 or 300 years before, so many countries "have
been wiped off the map" that no one even remember their names.
And so many "New Countries" have come up whose name no one knew in those days.
D. When a country "goes off the map of earth"….
The Land does not disappear…..nor all of its inhabitants are killed.
The land remains where it is, most of its inhabitants also remain the same. The
political boundaries do change and rulers do change…but this is normal and
acceptable.
E. When a country "should disappear from the face of the earth":
When it is source of violence, injustice and poses a threat to its neighbors …. And no
way of dialog can be affective….then it is time that country to be wiped off the face
of this earth.
And Israel possess all those "desirable qualities"….so it is in the interest of Word
Peace, Tranquility and Justice and people should see to it that it is dismantled….
Peacefully if we can or by use of force if it is unavoidable (Examples of Iraq and
Afghanistan are fresh in our memories)!! Israel also comes under the same category!!

Q208, who="G J ”
Thank you for your post. You hit the nail right on the head. The
Zionist never tire of telling us about how they were holocausted but
can’t see that their treatment of Palestinians is no different from the
Nazi's treatment of Jews. How come the Israelis get to claim they
have universal support from world Jewry when the harshest
criticism of Zionism comes from Jews?
Ans.
You are welcome.
I said that once you get biased….you can do horrible crimes and not even think about
it.
Were not Germans civilized people at the onset of WW-2? Yet they did to Jews what
we know (even if 10 % of it be true).
I will give you another example from my native country, that is India.
Hindus are supposed to be (or have done propaganda in this regard) “most peaceful”
of all religious groups, but have you seen them during communal riots that are so
frequent in India? They become almost inhuman….common folks and police doing
unspeakable crimes against poor and rich Muslims alike. Burning them inside houses,
killing women, children and old alike. Raping women in front of their relatives and so
many heinous crimes. As if they have become Devil during that duration. It is hate
and bias that prompts them to do these things.
The same holds good for Israel and Zionists of today….they have been programmed
for immense hate against Palestinians… and they are told that their existence depends
on destroying “these squatters” from the land. Any action by Palestinian is deemed to
be an act of terror per see…..and that of any Jew or jewish Army or Police in self
defense and self protection or to maintain law and order per see…. (no proof or
evidence is needed for such assumptions. Court and Media and Bulk of people of
their nation are already programmed to assume it to be true)
And we watch the repercussion in horror…..
The biggest problem of our time and that people have made their country and give it
the same status as old people used to give to their false gods and idols.
For Modern Jews their God is their “state of Israel”…..they would be ready to offer
“any and every type of burnt offering at its feet”…..even if it be “A mountain of heads
of these “cursed Palestinians”….
Extreme Patriotism and Extreme Nationalism is the curse of our Modern Times,
which very few people seem to realize.

Q209, who="GJ ”
Today I saw a very short news clip of a Palestinians kid getting run
over by an Israeli Jew. The Zionist obviously could not stop because
he would have gotten himself killed. I am sure the Israeli courts
would have agreed with him.
When you marginalize and disenfranchise the majority using

violence this is the kind of society you get. Israelis are people and
their only option is running over Palestinians kids who throw rock or
leaving the country.
The Israelis who are smart enough to leave will be made welcome
the world over. The sickos, who need this kind of power, we will
leave for the locals to take care of.
Ans.
It is sad but true, that when some one is biased, he forgoes even the basic human
values. For him what is of value if his life, his children’ life and the security of his
nations.
Any thing else has but little value in his eyes….that is why we see the scene which
you have described.
They talk about Universal Human Rights….and what they really mean by that is
Rights of their Own Human in the whole Universe!!
No one else has any rights if it conflicts with their own rights!!
Q210, who="NT"
01. If I am wrong please correct me.
The Zionists, originated in Germany and chose Israel to be their

future state in about 1914 thereabouts.
02. After the 2nd War of stupidity finished there was an exodus of
Jewry towards Israel which was under British control.
03. From what I gather the British did not want the Jews to be
armed so international benefactors paid for and shipped people and
guns to Israel until they could be self sufficient in arms and food
production and community services ,this they did more better than
any other for the very simple reason that they would never be stood
on again by anyone ever again.
04. At this time Palestine did not exist for it commenced in about

the time of the Israel-Arab conflict that showed these people that
their own Muslim people's cared little for them, this proven by them
never being able to leave that location.
05. There were some like Arafat and his mob who used this scenario
to profit his aims in life by stirring these people's into a frenzy that
still exists to this day, at no profit to them or ever likely to be.
06. We on the outside of this disaster are receiving the blame from
Muslims everywhere simply for being borne not of a Muslim, which
has to mean your enemy, as Muhammad decreed.
Is this fair on those of us who want nothing of conflict, of pain, of

suffering as experienced so often by Muslims everywhere just
because they don't follow the same brand of Islam ?
07. Your real problems are closer to home, Israel is being used as
an excuse by those amongst you who cannot solve your own
problems of coexistence with each other.

Ans.
Based on my limited knowledge my comments on your post are:
1. The Zionist movement is older than 1914, the First Zionist Congress was held in
1901, In Switzerland , in which Lord Bilfour, the foreign Secretary of Britain,
had agree to help establish a Jewish homeland in Palestine. So the Zionist
movements and Britain’s commitment to it, predate WW-1 and WW-2. I know
that Jews agreed to help Britain, only if they do every thing for their homeland
after the war.
So Britain was never an “unbiased” player in the whole story to start with. The dice
was already loaded when after WW-1 Britain “asked and got” the control over
Palestine to “fulfill the promise made by Lord Bilfour in 1901”.
2. Entry of Jews started immediately after 1917 and continued till WW-2. The
fighting with Local Arabs started almost the same time these European Jews
started to land there.
Britain assumed the same pose of “neutrality” as we see US and west are doing in the
present Arab Israeli conflict….every one can see that the “dice in loaded in which
direction”
03. The answer is covered in point # 2. The Britain played the role of “neutral
Umpire”….”A mediator”….”Unfortunate Victim of Terrorism”….”Humanitarian
Aid” at different times while seeing that “None of the Jewish immigrant was ever
to be turned back”
04. Palestine might not have existed as an Independent nation, but it was always a
separate region under the control of Muslim Ruler. It was a very wrong slogan
which was raised by Zionists “Jews without a Nation and Palestine a land
without Country”.
Like Texas which was once an independent state and now part of USA, would some
one say that Texas has ceased to exist?
05. There are always leaders in any community who are in there for personal gains.
Arafat was not there in the scene then…it is always easy to “find and locate” such
people in any community…but when we talk about issues, we should not involve
personalities.
06. You people are getting blame for your one sided support to Israel and Zionists and
always thinking that they are victims and not aggressors.
If you are people are “our enemy” then you are enemy of “Jews also”….because they
do not have any respect for jesus and we on the other hand respect and revere jesus
Christ.

07. We also have internal problems, but that should not diminish the importance of
problem which we have with Israel and since it is the main source of souring our
relations on the international level.
Q211, Who: Tony 17
Here. Learn when the word JEW was first used. The word JEW was
not in the Biblical Text till around the 18th century. Of course most
of you that consider yourselves scholars is painfully unaware of the
most basic knowledge. Question #3 in the following link should help
demonstrate that you nor the rest of these morons have no idea as
to the origin of the word JEW.
Just because it says JEW in your current bible versions does not
mean that the word JEW was in the original text because they
weren't. In fact substitute the word KENITE for the word Jew when
it is used in scripture whenever it refers to those Pharisees etc.
http://www.biblestudysite.com/answers13.htm#3
Ans.
I think you are accusing a wrong person!! I am a Muslim and I am not a Jew…I do
not know when the word Jew was used first time.
But I have heard that King James version was published in 16th or 17th
Century….what term it used originally for Jew? If you are a scholar, you please tell
me.
As per Quran, all past prophets were Muslims, i.e. they surrendered and submitted
themselves to the Will of their Creator. All obedient followers of these prophets were
therefore Muslims.!!
The term Judaism, Jew, Christianity and Christians are human concocted terms.
That is why in Quran it addresses these people as:
O! Who call yourself as Christians (NASARA in Arabic)….
And O! Who became Jews (YEHUDI in Arabic).
But as Shakespeare told “A rose by any other shall smell as sweet”…..
So a Jew by any name KENITE or Canaanite, or Hebrew…..shall be as miserly and

niggardly as he is…..Just by calling with another name, will not change his
character!!
Q212, The "Kosher Nostra Scam" on the American Consumer

by Ernesto Cienfuegos La Voz de Aztlan
Los Angeles, Alta California - 4/27/2002 - (ACN) La Voz de Aztlan receives quite a
few "news tips" per week from our many subscribers and readers. Some we dismiss
immediately but a very few catch our attention. Last week we receive an e-mail
asking us if we knew the significance of the small encircled letter "U" or letter "K"
that can be found printed on many food cans, food packages and on other kitchen
products. The message gave us some clues and suggested that we do some research
into the subject. What we found certainly was "news" to us and it both shocked and
angered us.
On arriving at my residence, I immediately went to the

pantry to verify that what I had just learned was actually
true. Sure enough, most of the packaged and canned
foods from major companies, like Proctor & Gamble and others, did have the (U), the
(K) or other similar markings. The Arrowhead water bottle, the instant Folgers
Coffee, the Kelloggs box, the Jiff Peanut Butter, the Pepper container, the Trader Joe's
tea box and even the Glads plastic sandwich bags carton had the (U) or (K) mark on
them.
We needed a little more verification so we called two major companies to asked some
questions. We chose Proctor & Gamble that markets the Folgers Coffee and the
Clorox Company that manufactures the Glads plastic zip lock sandwich bags. Each of
the two companies, as well as most others, have 1-800 telephone numbers printed on
their packages for consumers to call in case they have any questions about their
products. When we asked the Proctor & Gamble representative what the (U) meant on
their Folgers Coffee container, she asked us to wait until she consulted with her
supervisor. She came back and informed us that the mark meant that the coffee was "
certified kosher". We than asked her how and who certified the coffee to be "kosher"
and whether it cost any money to do so. She refused to answer these and other
questions. She suggested that we write to their Corporate Public Affairs Department.
We than called the Clorox Corporation to ask what the (U) meant on the package of
their Glads plastic sandwich bags and she also said that the (U) meant that the plastic
bags were "kosher" but refused to answer questions concerning payments the Clorox
Corporation has to make in order to be able to print the (U) on their products.
What we learned next, pretty much floored me personally. I learned that major food
companies throughout America actually pay a Jewish Tax amounting to hundreds of
million of dollars per year in order to receive protection. This hidden tax gets passed,
of course, to all non-Jewish consumers of the products. The scam is to coerce the
companies to pay up or suffer the consequences of a Jewish boycott. Jewish
consumers have learned not to buy any kitchen product that does not have the (U) the
(K) and other similar markings.
Another shocker was learning who is actually behind these sophisticated "Kosher
Nostra Scams." It turns out that the perpetrators of these elaborate extortion schemes
are actually Rabbinical Councils that are set up, not just in the U.S. but in other
western countries as well. For example, the largest payola operation in the U.S. is run
by those who license the (U) symbol. The (U) symbol provides protection for many
products sold here in Aztlan and in the United States. This symbol is managed by the

The Union of Orthodox Jewish Congregations with headquarters at 333 Seventh

Avenue in New York City.
The scam works like a well oiled machine and is now generating vast amounts of
funds, some of which are being utilized by the Union of Orthodox Rabbis to support
the Ariel Sharon Zionist government in Israel. The website of the Union of Orthodox
Jewish Congregations is full of pro-Israel and anti-Palestinian propaganda. (Contd.)
The "Kosher Nostra" protection racket starts when an Orthodox Rabbi approaches a
company to warn the owners that unless their product is certified as kosher, or "fit for
a Jew to eat", they will face a boycott by every Jew in America. Most, if not all of the
food companies, succumb to the blackmail because of fear of the Jewish dominated
media and a boycott that may eventually culminate in bankruptcy. Also, the food
companies know that the cost can be passed on to the consumer anyway. The food
companies have kept secret from the general consumer the meaning of the (U) and the
amount of money they have to pay the Jewish Rabbis.
It is estimated that the Union of Orthodox Jewish Congregations, which manages the
(U) symbol protection racket, controls about 85% of the "Kosher Nostra "
certification business. They now employ about 1200 Rabbi agents that are spread
through out the U.S. Food companies must first pay an exorbitant application fee and
than a large annual fee for the use of the (U) copyright symbol. Secondly, the
companies must pay separate fees each time a team of Rabbis shows up to "inspect"
the company's operations. Certain food companies are required to hire Rabbis full
time at very lucrative salaries.
The amount of money that the non-Jewish consumer has paid the food companies to
make up for the hidden Jewish Tax is unknown, but it is estimated to be in the billions
since the scam first started. The Orthodox Jewish Councils as well as the food
companies keep the amount of the fees very secret. The Jewish owned Wall Street
Journal wrote about the problem many years ago, but they have stopped writing about
it now.
Only public awareness concerning the "Kosher Nostra Scam" will eventually help
stop this swindle of the American consumer. Public education of the scam may lead to
an eventual non-Jewish boycott of all products with the (U), (K) or other Jewish
protection symbols. I certainly do not need to pay extra for "kosher water", "kosher
coffee" or "kosher plastic sandwich bags". In fact, I demand my money back for all I
had to pay over the years for the hidden and illegal Jewish Tax. Are there any bright
attorneys out there that could bring a class action suit against the Union of Orthodox
Jewish Congregations on behalf of the citizens of Aztlan and other non-Jewish
people?
"The Petition to End Kosher Certification Labels and to End the

Involvement of the Federal Food & Drug Admistration's
Participation"
Q213, E who="Lipush"

With all due respect, the fact that many Jews don't see the
Messianic as part of them, meanest nothing but how much the
Torah DOES mean to us
Are you aware of the way Messianic live in Israel?
Have you been between them.
If you would have, you WOULD have known better.
Ans.
I am talking about the principles and not acting of individuals or groups.
Messianic are supposed to be Jews that believe in the Prophethood of Jesus

Christ….they are supposed to follow Torah laws as modified and reformed by Jesus
Christ.
By logic and by definition, they are the true Jews. Because those who rejected Jesus,
were removed from the grace and mercy of God, unless they repent and recognize
jesus as a messenger of God.
How messianic jews are organized in Israel and what they believe in, I do not have
any idea.
If you explain any of their shortcomings or falsehood in teachings, I would be glad to

hear it and comment on in.
I just do not go by labels or names that people go by, HIZBOLLAH literally means,
Party or Faction of Allah…..just by assuming that name they would not become Party
of Allah, unless they act and work according to His Commandments.
The same goes for Messianic Jews or True Christians etc.
Q214, who="Carla - Goldencat"
I like your ideas. You are right - a child can understand many things
our American population shamefully doesn't take time to. Thank you
for being brave enough to say it. However, Jews are keepers of
Torah, God's Law, as delivered through Moses, the greatest (to
Jews) prophet that ever lived. One must be careful to test all
prophets to be sure they are sent of God, and have signs to prove
their special position. To obey a false prophet is to be under the
curse of God.
Jews reject Jesus as God's promised savior to the people because

he claimed to be literal son of God, thus some called him a
blasphemer and no true prophet. They refused to believe he proof
signs he gave. So, a Jew can be blind to Jesus as redeemer or
prophet, and still be Jewish, but will lack the blessings of the
promises that go with God's anointed one. They still wait for their

messiah. Indeed, a Jew who accepts Jesus is rejected by Jews from

being Jewish any longer! They feel that strongly.
So we have now Messianic Jews and Hebrew Christians who

embrace both Jesus and Torah. But Jews and Christians both reject
us.
Ans.
Thank you for very reasonable post, I do agree for most part of it, but where you said
that Jews rejected Jesus because he claimed to be “real or Begotten Son of God”.
This is not correct, Jesus never used the term “begotten Son of God” for
himself….this word was added by Christians afterwards in the Gospel of John, which
was written much after Jesus left this earth.
Jesus used the word “Son of God” in the same way as it is used in OT books for many
prophets and persons. In Jewish terminology “Son of God” meant “Some one who is
very near or close to God” a righteous prophet or a very pious and righteous person.
Jesus did qualify for both these epithet, so he qualifies as “Son of God” according to
Jewish standards.
By rejecting Jesus, Jews have lost their search for their Messiah and they are still
looking for him.
So later when Prophet Mohammad came (as prophesized by Moses in Deut 18:18)
and by Jesus as “Another Comforter”…..Jews rejected him because he did not fulfill
their own version of “Biblical Messiah”.
So modern day Jews are rejecting the prophet hood of two Real prophets of
God….Jesus and Mohammad (PBUT)…..and they are looking in vain for another
Messiah to come to them.
I really enjoyed your post, but I thought fir to clarify the matter some what more.
Q215, who="according to the islam"
hi every one
according to the islam, end of the world will take place after a very
hard war between the Arabs and jews>>> and after that will be an
Islamic rules all the world like before 1500 years ago...
http://en.20dollars2surf.com/?ref=125463[/QUOTE]
Ans.
You have condensed a very long story into a few sentences which might mislead
people. So let us put things in their proper prospective.
A. Jews and their Mischief:

As per Quran and Prophetic sayings, Jews would create great Mischief in the Land of
Palestine on three occasions and on each of these occasions they shall be severely
chastised.
B. The first of that occasion came at the time of Babylonian captivity, ~ 580 BC when
Jews created great mischief in the Holy lands and killed many prophets of God. As a
punishment God, send Nebuchadnezzar, who killed many thousands of Jews,
destroyed their temple and took remnants as captives to his capital city.
Jews were freed from this captivity after 70 years by Persian king Chesoros ….and
returned and re-built the temple.
B. The second occasion came in 70 CE, when Jews again created great mischief in the
land, killed John the Baptist, an innocent and True prophet of God (and no one even
lifted any finger or said OH or AH , according to Gospels) and then tried to kill Jesus
Christ, another , True Honest and Innocent prophet of God.
As a punishment, God send Roman general Titus who severely chastised them, killed
thousands of Jews, destroyed their temple and disbursed them thru out the land, where
they wandered as nomads for more than 2000 years.
C. The third occasion of their mischief will come in future…the exact date for which
is not told to us. But every one can see that stage is slowly being set, Jews have
gathered once again in the Holy land, started killing and persecuting innocent
Palestinians and are planning (mischievously and surreptiously destroying existing
mosque there) to re-erect their temple.
As per prophetic sayings, Jews and Christians would become very powerful in the
land (another prophesy made 1400 years back and being fulfilled now) …. And at that
time a False Messiah (Anti Christ or DAJJAL in Arabic) shall rise. Since Jews
rejected the True Messiah (Jesus Christ), they would follow this false Messiah.
Once again they would create great mischief in the land…so much so that God would
send Jesus Christ to come back on earth and he will kill that Anti Christ.
In that big Fight, Jews shall face their final chastisement and would be exterminated
form the face of earth.
When Jesus shall clarify his position, Christianity as it is followed now, would cease
to exist and most of world would be united in the worship of one True God of
Universe.
This is Islamic position, which I clarified, should any one be mislead by your
synopsis.
Q216, who="Rick Moss "

Your jealousy of the Jews consumes you.
Ans.
Why would we be jealous of Jews, our YOUNGER cousins by EVERY standards?
- We outnumber them by many orders of magnitudes
- We control many countries in the world and they only one (that too supported by the
stilts of their "arch enemies" and now "bosom friends" Christian).
- Arabic Language is a major live world language and Hebrew, well its speakers can
be counted on fingers like our Younger cousins!!
Muslims permeate every country and every race and every language of the world and
Jews only live in limited countries.
There is nothing by which we could be jealous of our Younger cousins in any way.
However, there are things in which we are REALLY inferior to our cousins...and
these are
-.Racism,
- False propaganda,
- Usury and controlling other people and nation thru usury,
- Mischief,
- Intrigue
- Promoting Pornography, homosexuality...Loose Morals etc.
If you think we are jealous of our younger cousins because of our inabilities to
compete with them on these items....we confess
Q217, Who= Eric
I am talking about the hundreds of years until Israel freed Hebron

and Jerusalem when jews were banned from entering the temple
mount and cave of the patriarchs. and would probably not been
allowed for another 1000 years if not for the state of israel.
i can not think of anything that is going against god more than
taking over a peoples holy place deciding that because it was holy
to them its holy to you and then not allow them to go and worship
there.
Ans.

Jews were going to the holy places which THEY built or those which were surviving.
The places where Churches and Mosques have been built by Muslims and Christians
were obviously out of bound for them.
No one will look after YOUR places of worship for centuries when you are not
present there. Will Jews care for maintaining Muslims mosques and Christian
Churches when no Muslim or Christian is present there to go for worship.
You have to be reasonable and pragmatic. When Muslims entered Jerusalem, there
was not a Jewish temple or site there. You should complain to Christians about that!!
Whatever churches were present there, were kept as such and not demolished or
damaged by Muslims.
Over the centuries Jerusalem became a holy city where Muslims, Jews and Christians
were living peacefully side by side.
Islam does not allow destruction or possession of any religious place of any
community. If there are some cases, then let me say that either there were some
special reasons or they were acts of tyranny by some Muslim leaders and no one
supports them.
Q218,
Will try asking for the 3rd time was the muslim world right to ban
jews from entering their own holy sites while they ruled the land?
Ans.
When Muslims captured holy site (Jerusalem), there was not a single Jew there!!
In fact it was one of the clause of treaty between Muslims and Christians that no Jews
would be allowed to stay in Jerusalem!! That is how Christians of those days treated
Jews!!
Muslims constructed their mosque on the place of Al Aqsa mosque and that was a
place of worship for Muslims and people of other faiths could not enter there.
Then over period of time, Muslims did allow Jews to enter Jerusalem and take up
their residence there.
I do not know there is any rulings that Jews and Christians cannot enter Jerusalem
during Muslim rules there.
The prohibition is only for Makkah and Medina and not for any other place.
Allah Knows Best.
Q219, Who=US Born

We do believe in a different Jesus. I do not think the Dome of the

Rock will be replaced by the Temple, that would definitely be all out
war. I was just wondering if your religion spoke of its re-building.
Jesus did say it would be re-built. It is a significant part of the
Christian doctrine.
MUQ - What is conflicting about the death and resurrection?
Ans.
1. Al Aqsa Mosque and Jews:
Dome of the Rock is not the issue at all…..the issue is Al Aqsa mosque, which
extremist Jews are trying and planning to pull down.
If Jesus spoke of its rebuilding….then it has already been rebuilt….By Muslims!!
When Jesus was alive, he did see the Temple which was existing in its place….he
prophesized that it will be torn don and no stone will stand on another stone….This
prophesy was fulfilled when in 70 CE, Romans destroyed the Temple….
For 600 Years the Temple stood in ruins…..then around 650 CE Muslims conquered
Jerusalem by evicting Romans …. And they re built the Al Aqsa mosque there to
celebrate the praises of One True God of Universe for five times every day.
If Jesus had prophesized that Temple would be rebuilt….then it was already done. As
a honest and true prophet of God, why should Jesus would object to Al Aqsa
mosque…..for it to be tear down and a sectarian temple for Lord God of Israel built in
its place?
2. Death and resurrection of Jesus:
Well, the “eye witness” accounts of Jesus’ death and resurrection as recorded in the
four Gospels are contradicting each other at many place.
For such an important event “that only happened once in human history” the records
should not be so sloppy.
It is not the place here to put all the contradictions mentioned in the four Gospels on
this issue, but any one who reads these four Gospels, will see that all four accounts
can not be true at the same time.
As per Quran, Jesus never died on the Cross, God took hem up bodily into the heaven,
even before Jews could lay hand on him. So when he did not die, there is no question
of any resurrection.
Q220, who="HughBe"

"Islam considers itself to be the only true religion NOT approved by

God on the face of earth. "
MUQ,
I believe that many will readily agree with your statement above
but I think you should adjust it to conform to your intent.
"Coming to hard facts, when Muslims took possession of Jerusalem

from Christians... There was no building there…... Muslims cleaned
the area , built up mosque and restored the worship of One True
Lord from that place…would you call it honoring or dishonoring the
place?"
Here is a solution to temple issue. Since it is argued that both Jews

and Muslims worship the same God and are very similar then why
don't both of you share facility i.e. Mosque.
Jews on Sabbath and Muslims on Friday. Temple restored.
Ans.
I would rephrase my observation like that:
“Islam was the only religion established by God thru all prophets and it was
completed and perfected during the time of our prophet, and after that there will be no
other prophet”.
Jews and Muslims sharing Al Aqsa mosque on Fridays and Sabbath day is a novel
suggestion!!
It has NEVER been tried and I am sure it will NEVER work. If Jews want, they can
prey EVERYDAY there, FIVE TIMES a DAY, bowing and prostrating themselves
before the Lord of Universe (as their forefathers Abraham and Isaac and Jacob did)!!
This is MORE PRACTICAL solution than dividing the House of God on exclusive
worship on different days.
Q221, who="Frijoles"
What do you call the el aqsa mosque, then? Is it not a mosque?

How about the Mosque at the tomb of Rachel?
What does any of this have to do with commonalities? You made a

statement of questionable accuracy, and I am asking you to
explain....
Ans.
Coming to Al Aqasa Mosque, the site has relation ship with our prophet’s journey to
that place during that Blessed Night.

As Last Prophet he inherited that House of God from other prophets of Jewish
origin…… That was in metaphorical sense.
Coming to hard facts, when Muslims took possession of Jerusalem from Christians,
there was no Al Aqsa Mosque standing there. There was no building
there…..Christians in there 300 years of ruling have made that place as a dump yard.
Muslims cleaned that area and re-built the Al Aqsa mosque there….at that time, there
was not a single Jew living in whole of Jerusalem (in fact it was one condition of
Christians while handing over the keys of city that no Jew shall be allowed to live
there…..talk about Mutual love between Jews and Christians in those days!! Any way
it was all Pre-holocaust….so we can ignore it).
You cannot call that Muslims building their place of worship on other people’ lands.
Muslims cleaned the area , built up mosque and restored the worship of One True
Lord from that place…would you call it honoring or dishonoring the place?
I have no information about Tomb of Rachel. So I cannot comment there. If any

place of worship of any faith is existing, then Muslims are not allowed to demolish it
and make their mosques on that place. This is Islamic law as for as I know.
Q222, Have Jews Right to conquer Palestine by Sword?
Ans.
I do not deny that Jews have right using sword to get back their land, if they did that
at any time.
Instead they used intrigue to brain wash the Bulk of Christians that Palestine belongs
to them.
They used their Media power and still now try to prove by "scriptures" that Palestine
always belonged to them and it is their Birthright!!
If Sword is the only option then that should be used in their logic to capture and
expand their kingdom.
But what I feel strange is Christians coming to their aid and support with "logics and
scriptural proofs" and paint them as a lamb amongst the pack of wolves.
It is this duplicity which I am against, that Western Powers using all their political and
military and financial might in favor of Israel and then taunting Muslims, see this
small nation has beaten you all....you cannot stand in front of him etc.
If Might is Right in true sense, then let there be open war and no cease fire and let
those who have real might take control of whatever lands they can capture and grab.

But that solution is not acceptable to either Jews or its western backers.....they want
blitz type of wars...which always helps the small and well equipped armies......but that
tactics also has to fail as so many actions after 1967 war has shown.
The wars with Israel shall not be short but open ended....until one party is
exterminated.....unless of course Jews sue for real peace and live in the same state of
peace and tranquility with which they were living for past 1300 years under Muslim
rule in Palestine.
Q223, QUOTE who="Red Brigades"
Historical lesson was given to jewish turds so they'll know very well
that Aryan Nordic race the chosen race. Jews are bunch of brown
pieces of shit and killers of Jesus Christ and this will never end they
will always be killers of Jesus and simple as that and you can repeat
as much as you want. Also i don’t give a shit for Arabs or jews
Ans.
You cannot fight one type of Racism with another type of racism!!
As per Quran all humans from one pair of man and women, so basically they have
equality in the eyes of their Creator. No race or people are superior per see over any
other.
Chosen people are those who walk in their lives as told by their Creator. They could
be from any race, color, language, or inhabitants of any nation.
Then the title “chosen people” could change hands from time to time. No nation or
people have exclusive right on that title.It is awarded to people who are “currently”
walking in the ways of their Lord and doing His duty!!
This is the REAL Racism, which Islam promotes…..not your genealogy, not your
skin color, not the color of your eyes, not the language you speak…..but only your
faith and your deeds!!
That is the racism taught by ALL prophets of God thru ages.

Q224, [QUOTE who="DHJ ”]
lol! Actually he spends all night studying, and so he is tired in the

morning already. When he talks about Rashi and the Tosafos I am
not sure whether words are coming out of his mouth or fire. Man I
miss going to synagogue!
Our Rabbi spoke six modern languages and Aramaic. When he

taught the arguments of the sages it was like a symphony. At the
end--he would combine all the arguments into such a beautiful and
complete picture. I remember once he was talking about Matan
Torah and at the end a less observant guy who came sometimes

burst into tears. It wasn't even an emotional exposition--the logic

was just so beautiful it astounded us all. It was like a wind passing
over our souls.
Todah Akhi, you have helped to rekindle a fire that has been
smoldering in my chest for a long time!
Look at this! This is what the world should be! A Muslim helping a
Jew to be a better Jew!
Ans.
Jews have a perfect religion by their own right. Quran gives Torah the same names
and attributes it gives to itself.
There is not a single word in Quran criticizing either Torah or Moses or any prophet
of God for that matter.
The only problem with jews is that they have closed the doors of their religion on
other people and isolate themselves from other people.
If it would not have been for their racism, there was not much in which we can
distinguish a true jew from a true Muslim.
I have no doubt about the capability of that jewish Rabbi. When you speak about
Matan Torah….do you mean the actual wordings of the original scripture. Because
Matan is also an Arabic Word, which means the Main Body of any passage.
In fact religion does not teach us to hate each other. In Quran we are asked to help
each other and come to a minimum common program.
But so called religious people, fight and do down each other and leave the ground
open for Materialistic and Atheists of our time.

Q225, who="bmz"
Hello, MUQ
You do have a point here. The Jewish Scripture was written during
1,500 to 500 BC, which is a huge range. I have guessed that
period.
However, when it was gathered as the Jewish Tanakh, some

duplicate stories went in too. Perhaps, that is why we see those
differences.
Salaams
BMZ
Ans.
These were the "tell tale" signs when Scholars had a close look at Biblical books more
than 200 years back.
Before that most people took these things in stride.
Bible was Word of God from genesis to revelation....it was declared so by

Church....so majority of Christians believed in that.
But when they had a chance and looked at it more carefully....they found many
contradictions, confused accounts....word by word copying of many passages from
one book into another.
It was then when Higher Biblical Criticism took off.
Now no LEARNED Scholar in the whole world believes that Moses wrote those first
five books of OT....or that names appearing on Title pages are those of its real
authors.
But there are many Bible Thumpers (SOG for example and many more)....who still
swear that Bible is Nothing but "Revealed Word of God" from Genesis to
Revelation!!
God took "special care" to preserve and protect Bible against all corruptions!!
How can you argue with such dummies....how can you convince such dummies.
They would write pages after pages of what is "revealed" in the "Book of
Revelation"!!
The poor chaps do not realize that there were MANY book of Revelations!! Church
just picked one of them and declared it as a winner!!

Q226, [QUOTE who="Frijoles"]
MUQ-
Jews do not recognize the label Old Testament. AS Ex and others

have said, that is a Christian translation and reorganization. Also it
connotes that there is a "new" testament. To a Jew, obviously, this
is anathema. We do not even call the tanakh a "testament".
Testament in Hebrew (and perhaps Arabic) is "aid". You never hear
that word in conjunction to the tanakh, at best it is referred to as
Torah which means "teaching". Jews understand the tanakh as a
teaching, not a testament. Teaching is a more fluid concept.
Ans.
It does not matter what Title you put on your books!
Neither the Title “OT” was given by God and nor “TANAKH” was given by
God….both of these are Man given names.
The Names which came from God are Torah, ZABUR and INJEEL…
I want to ask, has anybody translated your TANAKH in English….do we have any
link to read it and compare it with Christian’s translations.
I think Christians did not write those OT books either….they only got it from
Jews….what I have read is that they used Greek Translation of Jews Scripture which
was called Septuagint. This translation was done by Jews only and was supposed to
be very accurate.
But it is very common for people to edit and modify and add and subtract from their
scriptures, unless there are very strict eyes monitoring it… so let us have a look at
English translation of your TANAKH to see where and how Christian Translators
deviated from the true path.
Q227, [QUOTE who="Eric"]
01. No one came forward because you refuse to discuss substance,

only form. When discussing scripture, no one cares about form.
They want to discuss the actual words, and the meaning of those
words.
02. The religious community, in general, has adopted a common

referencing convention so that these discussions can be facilitated.
It is this referencing convention that you keep referring to.
03. This is no different than the referencing convention that the

Muslim world has adopted to discuss the Qur'an. The original work

was not divided into Surahs and verses. That was added later by
mankind to facilitate discussion of the scripture.
04. You have to go beyond the format of the common referencing

convention to begin any comparison of the Tanakh and the Christian
Bible. The common referencing convention is but a tool for
discussion.
Ans.
You did not note the “headline” of my post. I wanted to “Demystify” TANAKH.
This acronym Jews were using on this thread on and off, many non Jews might not
have any idea about what it was (same as myself). So I got the address and went to
the site and reviews the “component parts” of this TANAKH and found it to almost
identical with the OT of Protestant Christians.
I would have done the same thing with OT, if it was not universally known.
01. The “quiz” was only symbolic…no one came forward because they might have
thought it was “too trivial or too simple”….may be for experts but not every one is
expert round here.
02. And I am thankful to the religious and scientific community that they have made
these discussions possible. Now we can discuss in seconds, what would have taken
months in earlier times.
03. Why are you so incensed about dividing the books into chapters and verses?
Did I ever say that it was wrong? If Jews and Christians had done it independently,
could we have so close match as we see between OT and TANAKH books?
This shows that they used the SAME Manuscript for their scriptures.
04. The question of translation is for people who know Hebrew and English….it is
not for people who do not know Hebrew and / or English.
It is for you people to highlight mistakes and deviations which Christians have done
in their translation of Jewish Manuscripts.
I posed this question to every Jew on the thread, when some one posted 60 odd
prophesies about Jesus from OT books, but no one came forward to answer that time
also.
I got a lame answer that, our scriptures are our scriptures, we do not care how people
translate and interpret it.
With that type of negative and indifferent attitude, how you expect people to know
what is the Jewish meaning of those verses and phrases.

Q228, who="Rosesz"
just saw show on the Dead sea scrolls.. amazing how alike the
scripture the Jewish people have studied for centuries are the SAMe
as those thousand at Qumram.. and dated at lest 200 years before
Jesus time.. True they only have fragments for most but an entire
one for Isaiah.. Amazing.!![/QUOTE]
Ans.
Just a partial matching of some parts of one book of the entire encyclopedia of 66 or
73 books (that is holy Bible) should not elate you so much!!
You do not know who wrote those Dead Sea Scrolls, do you? Those Scrolls do not
contain whole of OT books?
Has any one read the ENTIRE Dead sea scrolls? Has any one concentrated on where
it DIFFERS from the modern texts?
Showering one sided praise on some parchments, whose authorship itself is not
known, could be the stand of those who are drowning and want to clutch at any straw
to save them from drowning!!
We need much more than Dead Sea Scrolls to authenticate the Bible!!
Q229, Who= Savior Self
Jews were horribly mistreated for 2000 years. Although, it wasn’t exactly 2000 years
consecutive... the actual first split didn’t come until the siege of
Titus that destroyed the city of Jerusalem and split the inhabitants.
Even after that, Christian teachings were really just "Jewish sect"
teachings largely until the first Council of Nicea in 325, and after
which Jewish interests were actually redressed (because they were
still, technically, Christians.)
Even after THAT, the splits that were to occur in the "Christian"
Church didn’t actually "split" the faith, after the first council, Jews
who followed Christ wound up Morocco, Syria, Iraq, and Turkey.
You don't really know much about the early Christian Church, do
you? The one that existed in the interim between the first council
convened under Constantine that produced the Bible? They were
Jews, my friend. Don't kid yourself, every bit as much as the
Christian Churches who clad into the wilderness that were actually
founded by the Apostles themselves in the immediate aftermath of
the Crucifixion, that found themselves in Syria and Persia and Gaul.
Ans.

It is very interesting to read your views about Early Christians….you say that before
325 CE all the Jews were Christians or all the Christians were Jews!!
This is a strange logic, split between Jews and followers of Jesus started immediately
after Paul came out with his teachings and overwhelmed Jewish followers of jesus
with Non Jewish new adherents.
The tussle between jewish and non jewish Christians continued for many years along
with the main line Jews which rejected Jesus totally.
After 325 CE and afterwards, the Jewish Christians lost their support and became a
small sect to be persecuted and harassed and anathematized …..as for bulk of Jews
that rejected Jesus totally, they were target of oppression and cruelty thru out
Christendom as “Christ killers”.
This situation changed when Christians became “friends” with Jews once again to
take “revenge” on Muslims.
That is how far I can decode this “hate-love-hate” relations between Jews and
Christians.
It is one sided love….Jews have not changed their stance an iota towards Jesus and
his mission. It is Christians who are bending over their backs to “please” jews and
asking them forgiveness and pardon for those centuries of mis-treatment.
I do not know what was the Role of Holy Ghost during all these years. It is surely
changing its stance now and then.
Q230, [QUOTE who="Dave ”]
Jews are not given preferential treatment in the US. i don't know
about Gandhi’s son (although Gandhi recommended that Europe
offer 'no resistance' to the Nazis, and blamed the war on those who
resisted the German invasion, telling them that if they had not
fought back, there would have been no war. people like to recall
him for his better moments, and this wasn't one of them.
people of conscience everywhere (not just in America) do notice

comments about jews. this is because jews were officially
discriminated against across Europe and America until after world
war II,
..
as for whether it's worthwhile to defend a minority group that's

discriminated against. the answer is yes. failing to protect someone,
just because they are small, or poor, or powerless, or weak, is
despicable behavior. just to get right to the heart of the matter.
israel was

Ans.
Your post is a confused apology for Jews in general and the treatment they get in US
in special.
1. You say Jews have no special protection in USA, why then there is this Anti
Semitic law in US that only protects Jews and no other people?
2. If Jews suffered holocaust in Germany, so have many other people and nations at
various stages. Why only Jews’ holocaust be remembered and perpetuated in
memory and no one else.
3. I was referring to the case of Grandson of Gandhi (and not the original Gandhi), he
was chairman of some UN commission. He made a very innocent comments about
Jews and had to resign due to that.
4. Why no one has to resign after making much stronger comments against other
people. They get away with a simple and hypocritical apology. Why even the
smallest comment against Jews is taken so seriously?
5. Whatever you say, Jews have taken the American people in a vice like grip and
they do not want to loosen it. Jewish Lobby and jewish controlled Media and Jewish
controlled Financial houses, have imprisoned general people of USA.
6. They are free to speak openly against any people, any nations, any religion, but
they cannot speak a single word against Jews and Israel.
7. The case of Helen Thomas is the latest example…so many have suffered in the
past.
I want to ask again….what is the thing in Jews and Israel…that has mesmerized
people of USA.
It is not pity, it is not mercy, it is not tolerance, it is not compassion, it is not truth, it
is not justice, it is not equity, it is not fair play……it is nothing of these positive
qualities.
By all logic and reason it is simple Blackmail and extortion!!

Q231, who="saviorself"
then you have only to prove it. Give me one shred of real-world,
tangible proof of "Jewish control" of the average American, Muq, I'll
buy into your idiot-ass theory. Almost 40% of American business
interests can actually be traced back to Italian …
-instituted the crucifixion of non-Muslims as an appropriate capital

punishment under sharia law and allow NO such universities.
Reconcile my fact with your fiction, and you may convince me
Ans.
The beauty of a potent brainwashed person is that he does not know that he is
brainwashed!! He starts believing devoutly in the doctrine.
You asked me to show a single proof that Average American citizen is “under
control” of Jews. I will give you plenty!!
I do not know if you are a Jew yourself or not….but if you are a Non Jew, consider
the following:
1. Why should Americans a majority Christian nation, should feel so “close to Jews”
that they have some special laws for jews like Anti Smite Law? I Know Americans
do not hate Hindus, Muslims, Buddhists etc. but why they are outside this Anti Semite
Law?
2. Why US media is so concerned about Israel and any news connected with it? Israel
is not next door neighbor of USA, why its news and security be so vital to US
interests? There are and there have been many US allies in Europe, Asia, Africa and
elsewhere, why no one else is given the same importance?
3. Why any negative comment against Jews and Israel by any one in Government or
Public Post generates so much condemnation in US media. Remember Obama and
his criticism of Israel’s new homes in Jerusalem? Why he had to face so much
criticism?
4. Why, No one can hold public office in US , if he does “unpardonable crime” of

offending Israel and Jews. While he can get away with similar or harsher comments
against any other religion, nation or people?
5. Why safety and security of Israel and no other country should be a “cornerstone” of
every New President elect in USA?
6. Why every Presidential candidate has to “growl before Jewish lobbies” before
every election and each one trying to outdo the other in helping and securing safety of
Israel?

7. Why US had to use maximum number of its vetoes in UN to save action against
Israel by UN Security council. Why no other nation?
8. Why US and Media comes to defense of Israel on any of its action, why this
attitude is not followed for “any other nation” on this planet? What makes it so
special?
9. What percentage of US populations are Jews? How is that percentage compared to

Hispanics? Blacks? Asians? Muslims? Why no other group has that much hold on
US media and US politics as Israel?
10. Why there are so many churches who keep on collecting funds from US public for
“poor Jews in Israel”? Why there are so many “Aid Israel” societies in USA?
11. Why so much elaborate arrangement for “Kosher” products in USA? Why not the
same for “Halal” food for Muslims? How would US population react when Muslims
insist on same protections?
I can keep on giving you many of such “Tell Tale” signs that common people in US
are “bewitched and brainwashed” by Jewish and Zionist lobbies, so much so that
Most of Zionists are now Christians working for their “Jewish Masters”!!
And this is only one sided love for Jews have not made any concession to Christians
on Jesus or his mission.
And Israel does not care a damn what happens to USA or its world image on all its
support to Israeli cause.
It is one sided love affair, which can only be termed as “weird and Brainwashing”.
Q232, How the Gold was Stolen from America
Under orders of the creditor (the Federal Reserve System and its private owners) on
April 5, 1933 President Franklin D. Roosevelt issued Presidential order 6102, which
required all Americans to deliver all gold coins, gold bullion, and gold certificates to
their local Federal Reserve Bank on or before April 28, 1933.
Any violators would be fined up to $10,000, imprisoned up to ten years, or both for
knowingly violating this order. This gold was then offered by the Fed owners to any
foreign, non-U.S. citizen, at $35.00 per ounce. Over the entire previous 100 years,
gold had remained at a stable value, increasing only from $18.93 per ounce to $20.69
per ounce.
Since then, every U.S. citizen (by virtue of their birth certificate) has become an asset
of the government, pledged at a specific dollar amount to pay this debt through future
taxation. Thus, every American citizen is in debt from birth (via future taxation), and
is, for all practical purposes, property of the creditors, the privately owned Federal
Reserve System.

Presently, the United States Government (which again, is completely owned and
controlled by the international bankers) continues to forfeit its sovereignty by entering
into international monetary and trade agreements which abolish almost all forms of
trade tariffs that previously protected not only the value of American commercial
productivity and workforce labor, but which were also a substantial source of revenue
for the government.
One of the largest stockholders in the new Federal Reserve was the House of
Rothschild through their direct and indirect holdings. A few years later it was
disclosed that the Rothschild s also owned about 20% of J. P. Morgan. In time
Morgan would merge with the Chase Manhattan Bank of the Rockefellers.
Years later John F. Kennedy opposed a private national bank and was assassinated in
1963 and Ronald Reagan opposed a private national bank and in 1981 an attempt was
made to assassinate him. Coincidence or not the opposition to a privately owned
national bank was a common characteristic.
Which brings us full circle to the present bailout of Bear Stearns by J.P. Morgan
Chase & Company and we find the Rothschild, Morgan and Rockefeller families are
all conveniently part of the same group benefiting from the bailout and the $30 billion
guarantee by the Federal Reserve.
This is the third time the J. P. Morgan Company has come to the rescue of the
American banking system and economy.
Q233, Is it a Crime to be a Zionist?
Ans.
There is no harm in being a Zionist (or even a lower specie).
But you must see that you do not do injustice to other people and you do not fill the
land of God with corruption and false worship and live according to laws and
commandments of God.
That was the offense for which Jews were banished from their "ancestral land" on past
two occasions.
Either you say, your God was unjust to you and punished you harshly, or accept His
judgment and say, indeed you did wrong.
When it has happened twice, why it will not happen third time, what is your guarantee
against it?
If you do mischief on the land, do injustice and kill innocent people, and discriminate
based on their race or nationality and make your own laws and regulations and totally
disregard the Laws and Commandments of God from you daily and national
life......then you are in the same condition as you were before those two previous
occasions.

And looking at the modern day Israel and boasts and behaviour of their Leaders and
Supporters....I can see all the above "crimes" being committed by it.
Any nation which is based on discrimination, falsehood and Mischief has but a
limited leash of life (fall of USSR is one such example, fall of Hitler is another and
there are endless examples in the land). Why only Israel, Jews and Zionists should be
exemption to this "Natural law of Justice"?
So I do not mind, if one is Zionist, Jew or Christian, Hindu or Buddhist...so long he is

upright and does not preach hate and injustice to other people and other nations.

Chapter-7
(Misc. Topics)

Q234, Are Australians Racist and biased against Asians?
Ans.
I was thinking that Australians are only against Islam and Muslims and could be
treating Non Muslims fairly…. But such is not the case.
The Australian people are generally racist and they do not like people who have other
skins colors or ethnic backgrounds
It is not that important if they be Muslims or Non Muslims.
Against Muslims they have one additional degree of bias.
This was shown when so many Hindu students from India were attacked in Australia
recently. Despite government denial and promises….these cases are not
ending…..many students have even lost their lives.
It proves that your color of skin and ethnicity does matter in Australia and your
religion is secondary thing.
There is another curious observation. Indian students who go to USA (let us talk
about Hindu students, leave Muslim students for the time being ) are able to secure
high paying jobs , are generally successful and reach highest rung in the corporate
ladder.
Many Hindu Indians are CEO s and Chairman s of Blue Chip MNC s in USA and are
highly respected in society.
If we compare Indians Hindus which go to Australia, we seldom find any one rising to
the level of CEO or Chairman of any big corporation in Australia. Most of them rise
only to middle management level.
What does it show? Either poor stuff goes to Australia or they are treated poorly or
not given opportunity to rise to the top.
These Indian Hindu students are a resource, Human Resource…. USA uses and treats
them good and they benefit themselves and help USA also to benefit and retain its # 1
spot in World.
Australians on the other hand are more interested in their “colors and ethnic
backgrounds” and want to “keep them and show them their due place”.
Due to this either they are not able to attract the best and brightest talents from India
or stunt their growth so as to show their real talent and benefit themselves and
Australia too!!
That might be the reason that Australia is not # 1 country in the world in any field!! It
is just a follower of US and other European countries.

I have taken only the example of Indian Hindu students, because I know that if I
mentioned Islam and Muslim students, Islam and Muslim bashing will start.
Why should Australians be so much against these “cow like Indian Hindu Students”?
Are they racist to start with or hate to use their “human resources” in a better way?
Q235, Million-dollar coin
On May 3, 2007, the Royal Canadian Mint unveiled a Gold Maple Leaf coin by artist
Stanley Witten, with a face value of $1 million Canadian dollars. The weight of the
coin is 100 kilograms, and measures 50 cm in diameter by 3 cm thick. The coin is
mainly a promotional product to give the RCM a higher international profile. The
100-kilogram coin was conceived as a showpiece to promote the RCM 's new line of
99.999 percent pure, one-ounce gold maple leaf bullion coins. The coin is made only
to order and so far five have been produced as of September 2007.
It is not 'struck' like a conventional coin, but is instead cast then machined to the right
size and shape. The coin drew many comparisons with an oversized coin from
Austria, a €100,000 gold coin, worth about C$153,000. The Austrian coin is 37
centimeters across and weighs 31 kilograms.[31
Q236, Canada's population eclipses 34 million

By DAVID AKIN, Parliamentary Bureau Chief
OTTAWA — Canada’s population eclipsed the 34-million mark for the first time
ever, Statistics Canada said in its latest look at the country’s population.
The federal agency said the country’s population stood at 34,019,000 on April 1, a
jump of about 88,000 since it last counted Canadians on Jan. 1.
More than two-thirds of the growth can be chalked up to international migration. The
rest was the result of existing Canadians making new Canadians the old-fashioned
way.
Stats Can noted the rate of growth from immigration had slowed compared to
previous years.
The Conservative government has made boosting immigration a top priority because
it believes an aging Canadian population is going to soon need more workers if the
country’s standard of living is going to be maintained as baby boomers leave the
workforce. And it believes immigration is the only way to rapidly replace a retiring
workforce.
From a regional perspective, the big growth was in the western provinces, particularly
Saskatchewan which saw its biggest quarterly population increase since 1972.
All provinces saw their population increase in the first three months of this year
except for Nova Scotia, which is not attracting many new immigrants and saw more
deaths than births in the in the first quarter.

Counting Canada
The latest population estimates from Statistics Canada, as of April 1.
CANADA 34,019,000 ( 0.26% compared to Jan. 1, 2010)
Newfoundland 510,900 ( 0.02%)
P.E.I. 141,600 ( 0.23%)
Nova Scotia 940,500 (-0.03%)
New Brunswick 751,300 ( 0.08%)
Quebec 7,886,100 (0.20%)
Ontario 13,167,900 (0.25%)
Manitoba 1,232,700 (0.30%)
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Alberta 3,724,800 (0.35%)
British Columbia 4,510,900 ( 0.37%)
Q237, Who= Leah wrote:
Communism in its base is not a bad idea, problem is, no one has
ever been or will ever be able to build a true communist country.
Humanity's biggest sickness is boredom. Bored people do stupid
things.
Ans.
No, there is nothing bad in Communism and all others "isms"....so long as you let
them remain on papers and in books and in drawing room discussions.
The problem comes when you try to impalement them....only then you know their
fatal mistakes and their shortcomings.
It is only religious systems that are designed by Creator have more or less withstood
the tests of time.
Ideas like Communism, Socialism, Secularism, Capitalism and all other "isms" that
are put into practice dazzle the world for short time....and then they are dumped into

the heap of history books.....people find them only in the books and papers....."from
where they originally came and where they belong to"!!
Human Rights in the West:
The right to explore myself and my world.

The right to my mind.
The right to be angry with the views of others.
The right to be offended.
The right to cause offense.
The right to anger others.
The right to be courteous because of conviction, not coercion.
The right to be valued for the validity of my arguments, and not the
accident of my birth.
The right to be a Muslim, or a Jew, or a Christian, or a Buddhist, or
a gay, or a woman, or an atheist, or a Hindu, and not to have my
status skewed in the eyes of justice.
The right to protect myself and my family.
The right to protect others and their families.
The right to not be the target of violence when I have not been
violent.
The right to defend those I disagree with.
The right to change my mind.
The right to speak out against injustice, and not to be blamed for it
when my voice is ignored.
The right to solitude.
The right to despair.
The right to poverty.
The right to obscurity.
The right to hope.
the right to love, without the expectation that I will be loved in
return.
The right to sit still on a clear night and marvel at the handiwork of
G-d.
Ans.
Thank you very much, it was a very powerful post!!
Are these rights “self given” or “snatched” or “sanctioned by some one”

Q239, Who= Gogobar
I knew that from the outset since you didn't name any Arab country
as an emerging Asian power in your earlier remarks against the
"white racists". But, first and foremost, you named India...
Anyway, if the caste system in India is used to deprive people of

their basic human and civil rights, then that is just as bad as
"racism", if not worse ! This goes well beyond the issue of merely
marriages !
Ans.
I mentioned India, because I am an Indian and I know India better than any other
country!!
India has the hallmark to become Super Power of the world and bigger than the
present Superpowers. It has land mass, human resources and hardworking population.
But this caste system does not allow India to use its full potential. Caste system is as
bad as any racism and in some ways caste system is worse than racism.
Because in racism the other party feels that it is being wronged…..in Indian caste
systems the victims feel that it is their “destiny” to be denied their rights. Because it
has a religious sanction at the back of it.
Low caste Hindus in India ,, even though they are in majority, do not even think to go
up and sit and talk on equal terms with people of high caste, because they have been
made to believe that their birth in lower caste is a result of their misdeeds in an earlier
life. And if they swallow these humiliations and continue to serve High caste, may be
in next life, they will be born as a High Caste Hindu.
That is why it is worse than any other type of racism. Those racism can be cured, but
caste system makes the victim resign to his or her fate.
That was the real ingenuity of those people who designed it!!
Q240, What is caste system in Hinduism?
Ans.
Caste system in Hinduism
Brahmins ALSO break the cups from which a SUDRA has drunk water....so these
SUDRAS are also like shit?
The fact is they were like shit and below shit....but after independence Hindus could
not rule the country, unless they include these SUDRAS and Untouchables amongst
Hindus.

So calling them Hindu is their political necessity. In religious terms they are shit and
below shit.
We are not offended if Brahmins treat Muslims the same way....this may be ONE
reason why people only Exit from Hinduism and join other faiths. There is hardly any
one from other faiths who becomes Hindu.
Majority of Muslims in India today were Hindus once....they left Hinduism and
became Muslim.... not because of sword....but because of this graded inequality in
Hinduism.
And you confirmed that by saying and justifying that "Brahmins break the cups in
which Muslims have drunk, because they consider them shit".
But we Muslims, we do not break the cup in which Brahmins, or SUDRAS have
drunk....we still consider them as our brothers.
We all came from the same pair of parents, Adam and Eve. Hindus and Muslims,
Brahmins and Sudras.
Let us talk about brotherhood and tolerance....this hatred will lead you no where.
Q241 Sequence of events leading to the destruction of the Ram Janambhoomi-

Babri Masjid structure
TOI, Sept 28, 2010-09-28
1. The single-minded agenda of the RSS and VHP; and the extremely patient and
focused manner in which the handful of ideologues and theologians manipulated the
masses and turned them into a frenzied mob, capable of acts of the gravest depravity,
is unparalleled.
2. It is established that the events of and leading up to the 6th of December in the
birthplace of the virtuous Lord Ram were tainted by a joint conspiratorial enterprise...
Lured by the prospect of power or wealth, a rank of leaders emerged within the BJP,
RSS, VHP, Shiv Sena, Bajrang Dal, etc who were neither guided by any ideology nor
imbued with any dogma nor restrained by any moral trepidation. These leaders saw
the Ayodhya issue as their road to success and sped down this highway mindless of
the casualties they scattered about. These leaders were the executioners wielding the
sword handed to them by the ideologues.
The role played the chief minister and ministers of Uttar Pradesh and by
individuals and organizations in connection with the destruction of the RJBM
structure.
3. The BJP's claim that it was carrying out the people's mandate makes it inexplicable
why it had to resort to subterfuge in order to effect the destruction of the disputed

structure... Kalyan Singh, his ministers and his handpicked bureaucrats created
manmade and cataclysmic circumstances which could result in no consequences other
than the demolition of the disputed structure and broadened the cleavage between the
religious communities resulting in massacres all over the country...The parallel
government run by the RSS has also been exposed and analysed in my report.
The deficiencies in the security measures contributing to the demolition
4. The state government did not arrange for a single video camera to record the events
which were unfolding for posterity... Even the CCTV cameras, which the state had
promised the Central government would be monitoring every inch of the disputed
structure, were either inoperative or their footage has been hidden. In either case, the
results are a betrayal of the nation and of history.
5. By far, the worst sin of omission of the state government was leaking into the
public domain the information that the police personnel had been hobbled and would
not react or retaliate under any circumstances... The only non-manageable variable,
from the Sangh Parivar's point of view, was the possible deployment of Central forces
in the state, either at the behest of the Central government or sanctioned by the
Supreme Court. This threat was also neutralized by senior and well-respected
individuals stating blatant lies on oath before the Supreme Court.
6. The state had become a willing ally and co-conspirator in the joint common
enterprise to announce the revival of a rabid breed of Hindutva, by demolishing the
structure they had denounced as a symbol of Islam.
Events leading to the assault on media persons at Ayodhya
7. To frustrate the attempts of future investigations, including efforts by commissions

like this one, the leadership at the spot had evolved a common strategy to deny the
world an accurate record of the unfolding events... The first step in this direction was
to identify the journalists who were present at the spot. The accreditation of the media
was entrusted to their own cadres... Dramatic situations were precipitated to paint the
foreign and domestic media with hostile colours and the stage was set to instigate the
mobs.
Standards of culpability.
8. For the purpose of quantifying their culpability, the various persons and
organizations named in this report have been divided into three groups.
9. The first group represents those who bear the primary and greatest responsibility...

These people had complete knowledge of the events as were scripted. These
individuals and organizations were part of the decision-making process and
instrumental in the assault of the structure... Those found guilty of primary
responsibility had the means to prevent the assaults, they were the active leaders of
the cadres and without their participation, December 6 would have occurred
.
10. The second group consists of those who bear physical, ideological and intellectual
responsibility. These persons were not decision-makers and would not change the
course charted by those bearing primary responsibility. Nevertheless, without their
sins of omission or commission, the situation would not have deteriorated as much as
it did.
11. There are those who bear tertiary responsibility for the situation. These people
may or may not have been associated with the Sangh or had any influence over the
situation at all. However, it was their sworn and statutory duty to prevent exactly the
kind of event which took place around December 6... Their complicity stems from
their sins of omission rather than of commission.
Pseudo moderate elements within the Sangh Parivar
12. It cannot be assumed even for a moment that L K Advani, A B Vajpayee or M M

Joshi did not know of the designs of the Sangh Parivar. These people, who may be
called pseudo moderates, could not have defied the mandate of the Sangh Parivar,
more specifically RSS diktat, without having bowed out of public life as leaders of the
BJP.
13. The BJP was and remains an appendage of the RSS which had the purpose of
providing only an acceptable veneer to the less popular decisions and a facade for the
brash members of the Sangh Parivar. … the RSS might have been able to achieve de
facto clout, but would not have been able to legitimize its hold on the Indian system
by translating that clout into political success.
14. These leaders have violated the trust of the people and have allowed their
actions to be dictated not by the voters but by a small group of individuals who
have used them to implement agendas unsanctioned by the will of the common
person. There can be no greater betrayal or crime in a democracy and this
commission has no hesitation in condemning these pseudo moderates for their
sins of omission.

Q24 2Saffron terror leader to be booked for Samjhauta blast
Vishwa Mohan & Dwaipayan Ghosh, TNN, Jan 6, 2011, 12.54am IST
NEW DELHI: The National Investigation Agency probing the blast on Samjhauta
Express in February 2007 looks set to book militant Hindutva leader Aseemanand. It
has identified Aseemanand as the key plotter of the attack that killed 68 people,
majority of them Pakistani citizens returning home after visiting their kin in India.
Sources in the agency, which was brought in after investigations by Haryana Police
reached a dead-end, told TOI that Aseemanand planned the blast to avenge the series
of terror attacks by Islamist terror groups.
"The role of Hindu extremists behind the blast has become clear. The probe agency
found that Aseemanand was one of the plotters. The group had done it under their
'Bomb-for-Bomb' plan which was hatched in the Dangs district of Gujarat," said
sources in the NIA.
Haryana police had found similarities in the explosives used in the Samjhauta blast
and the explosion at Hyderabad's Mecca Masjid, another attack suspected to have
been carried out by Aseemanand and his comrades under the 'Bomb-for-Bomb' plan.
But the Haryana cops could not connect the dots. The picture was further complicated
when the US named a Pakistani terrorist, Asif Kasmani, suspected to be a go-between
Lashkar and al-Qaida, as the main suspect in the Samajhauta blast.
NIA's probe into the cases of saffron terror has gathered momentum after the arrest of
Aseemanand who is believed to have inspired Abhinav Bharat members to retaliate
against Islamist terror.
NIA's investigation into the Samjhauta train attack may give Pakistan a handle to
embarrass India. Officials are wary of the possibility of Islamabad asking for
Aseemanand's custody once he is charge-sheeted. But the government has decided to
press ahead with the probe, said an official.
Q24 3Legalize prostitution if you can't curb it: SC to govt.

PTI, Dec 10, 2009, 12.19pm IST
NEW DELHI: The Supreme Court on Wednesday asked the Centre whether it could
legalize prostitution if it wasn't possible to curb it.
"When you say it is the world's oldest profession and when you are not able to curb it
by laws, why don't you legalize it? You can then monitor the trade, rehabilitate and
provide medical aid to those involved," Justices Dalveer Bhandari and AK Patnaik
told Solicitor-General Gopal Subramaniam.
The court said legalizing sex trade would be a better option to avoid trafficking of
women and pointed out that nowhere in the world was prostitution curbed by punitive
measures.

Subramaniam said he would look into the suggestion.

"They (sex workers) have been operating in one way or the other and nowhere in the
world have they been able to curb it by legislation. In some cases, they (the trade) is
carried out in a sophisticated manner. So, why don't you legalize it?" the judges
asked.
The court was hearing a PIL filed by NGOs Bachpan Bachao Andolan and Childline
complaining about large-scale child trafficking in the country and seeking directives
to contain it.
The apex court also wondered why 37% of the country's population continues to reel
under below poverty line at a time when then there is much talk of growing GDP rate
in the country.
The bench said child trafficking and sex trade were flourishing because of poverty
which needs to be tackled.
"We are taking about growing GDP. I do not know what is the development we are all
talking about when the number of BPL families is at 37% which has increased from
30%.
"Growth of GDP does not mean some four or five families have developed. If this is
the state of development, we can't help it," the bench said while posting the matter for
further hearing to January 5
The contention of the petitioner is that a number of minor children, particularly girls
and those of tender age, are being pushed into sex trade.
Childline counsel Nandita Rao alleged several minor girls are being sexually
exploited by circus owners and there has to be adequate legal framework to prevent
such exploitation.
Responding to her suggestion, the Solicitor General told the bench that government
was contemplating a legislation to declare circus as a "hazardous industry" to prevent
abuse of child labourers.
Q24 4 who="JOEL PASTAKIA"
The king of Kashmir acceded to India at the time India was

partitioned.....but really politics is not the point.
I am not biased which is why I abhor theocracies or nations being

created on the basis of religious mumbo jumbo as it's clear that
even if Kashmir were to be granted nationhood it'll be a colossal
failure on all fronts from the start and will be used by terror agents
to fan the fires of unrest and jihad throughout India under the
illusion that India can be made a part of the pan-Islamic territories.

Through the Yogic insights, I can tell you for sure that within a few
years the entire Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iran and Kashmir regions
will be completely destroyed in a series of massive earth quakes
and a nuclear strike....even Mecca and Medina are going to be
completely destroyed when the destruction of perversions
commences in the world in a few years from now
Ans.
King of Kashmir had no RIGHT to decide against the wishes of its people. He did not
Own these people to sell them to whomsoever he wanted to.
That is what India argued against the accession of Junagarh to Pakistan, which was
done by the Nawab of Junagarh!!
You cannot have two laws, once which to be used when it suits you and another
which is to be used when it goes against you.
Nizam of Hyderabad wanted to be independent (against the wishes of his people, so

India said) and they used that logic to capture Nizam’s estate.
I can assure you that your Yogic insight about Pakistan, Afghanistan and Kashmir are
going to be wrong.
And your Prediction about Makkah and Madina are going to certainly wrong.
And my making these prediction, you have removed your Yogic cover and presented
yourself as a Rabid Islamic Hater. I knew it all along, but you could hide it in your
mumbo jumbo Yogic language.
With this Kashmir issue, you have totally exposed yourself….and I am happy to know
that my “Yogic insights” were 100 % correct about you!!
Q245 Awning saves baby in seven-storey fall, By Vicky Buffery, Reuters
PARIS - A 15-month-old baby girl survived a fall from a seventh-floor apartment in

Paris almost unscathed after bouncing off a cafe awning and into the arms of a passer-
by, police said on Tuesday.
The infant had been playing unsupervised with her four-year-old sister on Monday
when she somehow fell out of the window, a spokesman for local city police said.
A young man saw the baby starting to fall and alerted his father, who raced to get into
position, arms outstretched, to catch her after she hit the awning, the daily Le Parisien
reported.
“He must have played rugby for years to have developed reflexes like that,” a
bystander who saw the incident told the paper.

Police said the girl appeared to have no serious injuries and was under observation in
a nearby hospital.
The owner of the cafe, located at the foot of the block of flats in the northeast of Paris,
said it was a stroke of luck he had decided to leave the awning open that afternoon.
“I usually close it to stop it catching fire as people tend to throw their cigarette butts
onto it,” he told the television station i-tele.
The police spokesman said the circumstances behind the accident were unclear. “The
parents were absent, and it’s a bit difficult questioning the two girls, given their age.”
Q246 What are the idols of modern age?
Ans.
Some one said that in old days, every nation used to have idols of stone, gold and
silver and the people used to offer every thing to their idols. Any sacrifice was
enough to please that idol.
In modern days, these idols have been replaced by Nations. In our time, nation is the
idol and in the name of security and safety of nation, we can do anything.
And acts, good or bad, any sacrifice small or big is justified if it is done in the name
of nation.
People cheat, loot, kill and rob other people in the name of their nations and it is
highly acclaimed by their people. It makes their nation strong.
So being seen naked is not such a big sacrifice to be made in the cause of safety and
security of their nation.
Extreme nationalism has been the curse of our modern age and it has already taken
the lives of 50 Millions only in WW 1 & 2 and how many more millions before or
after these wars, only God knows.
If you live in any country, you must never admit that your country has done wrong, so
goes the modern definition of Patriotism.
Where it will lead to world? WW-3 for sure and after that? Who knows

Q247, PERCEPTION THE SITUATION
In Washington , DC , at a Metro Station, on a cold January morning in 2007, this man

with a violin played six Bach pieces for about 45 minutes. During that time,
approximately 2,000 people went through the station, most of them on their way to
work. After about 3 minutes, a middle-aged man noticed that there was a musician
playing. He slowed his pace and stopped for a few seconds, and then he hurried on
to meet his schedule.
About 4 minutes later:
The violinist received his first dollar. A woman threw money in the hat and, without
stopping, continued to walk.
At 6 minutes:
A young man leaned against the wall to listen to him, then looked at his watch and
started to walk again
.
At 10 minutes:
A 3-year old boy stopped, but his mother tugged him along hurriedly. The kid
stopped to look at the violinist again, but the mother pushed hard and the child
continued to walk, turning his head the whole time. This action was repeated by
several other children, but every parent – without exception - forced their children to
move on quickly.
At 45 minutes:
The musician played continuously. Only 6 people stopped and listened for a short
while. About 20 gave money but continued to walk at their normal pace. The man
collected a total of $32.
After 1 hour:
He finished playing and silence took over. No one noticed and no one applauded.
There was no recognition at all.
No one knew this, but the violinist was Joshua Bell, one of the greatest musicians in
the world. He played one of the most intricate pieces ever written, with a violin worth
$3.5 million dollars. Two days before, Joshua Bell sold-out a theater in Boston where
the seats averaged $200 each to sit and listen to him play the same music.
This is a true story. Joshua Bell, playing incognito in the D.C. Metro Station, was
organized by the Washington Post as part of a social experiment about perception,
taste and people's priorities.
This experiment raised several questions:

* In a common-place environment, at an inappropriate hour, do we perceive beauty?
* If so, do we stop to appreciate it?
* Do we recognize talent in an unexpected context?
One possible conclusion reached from this experiment could be this
If we do not have a moment to stop and listen to one of the best musicians in the
world, playing some of the finest music ever written, with one of the most beautiful
instruments ever made
How many other things are we missing as we rush through life? just because of the
preprogrammed MIND - the product of the dead past.
Q248, [QUOTE who="PK"]
1. In my opinion God Eternal will come back before hatred of men

destroys his creations.
2. Noah for example. God promised to NEVER Flood the earth again.
If people think he was saddened by killing of Evil wicked people
they are mistaken. Why did God take 2 of each species. God is
proud of everything he created, Animals, Fish, Dolphins, etc. Plant
life, man destroys what he touches.
3. All of us are to blame not just one country for having a belief that
I myself don't agree but will respect. Because the Aspect of survival
no matter what race, human, animal, plant life has the Right to co-
exist on this wonderful planet God created.
4. I have found it is better to have Faith and understanding, which

Jesus/God states brings wisdom. Not college educations, wisdom
comes from God. My father always told me, we are nothing in this
universe just a mere speck of dust.
5. Man even your own country men are out to destroy you. Man has
bred Satan the deliverer of LIES and HATE amongst every nation.
They can take all your possessions, your clothes, your money, food,
everything including your life...
6. The only thing they can not take is the love in your heart and the
wisdom that God has granted to anyone who dares to believe...
Peace with you my friend..

Ans.
Thank you for your preaching…. Though I did not get how it is connected with my
answer.
Certainly God created every thing in this universe with a purpose.
And He created humans also with a purpose…. Humans are undergoing a test on this
earth… and this test is “how many of them are willfully leading their lives in
accordance with the Guidelines send by God thru His chosen messengers thru out the
ages”.
Humans have their lives as the test period to write their answer books and the results
shall be shown to them on the Last day or Judgment day and day known by so many
other names.
Those who pass this test of life, will enjoy blessings of their Lord and Creator and
will live in eternal life of bliss.
However those who fail in the test of their lives and rejected the message of
messengers of God, will fell His Wrath and Disfavor and Chastisement.
These are the absolute realities and whatever else we see on this earth is only a means
to reach one of the two ends.
Satan or Devil and his associates are trying their utmost to lead as many (or most
humans) to the path which leads to Wrath and displeasure of God….
Messengers of God and his (limited number of followers) are trying to lead humanity
to the direction which leads humans to Grace and Bliss and Pleasure of God.
This battle is going on since the first human descended into the world…
The path of Devil is full with pleasure, music, dancing, sexuality levity, freedom from
every moral law and social constraints…
And the path of messengers is bedecked with Prayers, Fasting, Charity, Morality,
Sexual purity and every type of things which are “unattractive” to a “neutral mind”.
But when stakes are so high and issues are so serious…. One should be very careful
as to with which side he or she tie their knot.
PS:
I know it is a very serious post and would pass over the heads of many.
But our aim is to pass on the message, as plainly and as unambiguously as possible.

Q249 , who="Pete-o"
When you don't live in a free society, you have no idea what living
in that society that allows it's citizens to make there own choices.
Men can do the jobs you talk about and they do them well.
I don't care what beliefs your country has, just don't try to make
others follow your 6th century laws, most of us are fine in the 21st
century.
I'd prefer if America pulled out of the Mid East, left you to your own
devices, and become energy independent.
Ans.
About Free society and freedom, I have provided answer in post to Capt Canuck and
it should suffice to you.
Let me tell you, calling any society as free is only a MYTH, a society can NEVER be
FREE. There has to be a surrender of freedom, if one lives in a society.
Full Freedom is only for ones who live away from society in Jungles and caves, they
are Free to do what they want.
You say, your society is free, do you know what happens to you,
-if you do not pay your taxes?

- Do not pay your bills?
- Do not pay your mortgages or Insurance Premiums?
- Do not honor your cheques?
- Want to drive FREE on any road?
In fact the more advanced is any society, the more restrictions are on its actions and
its behaviour.
It is a very wrong concept of freedom, which western people have. They consider
that they are really free.
They are bonded by so many laws that they can hardly do anything, unless there be a
law for it.
In political system they have to vote one of the two buffoons presented to them by
Political parties (In USA, in other countries, one of the three or four buffoons). And
they are proud that “We select our Rulers”.
Every thing that matters in western life is very tightly controlled……only thing which
your leaders consider as of no consequence (religion and vain talks)…..they have
loosened the ropes a slight bit, and you are yelling that “we are free, we are free”.

The true freedom comes when man surrenders to its Creator….if you became His
Servant, then you get rid of all these man made “false freedoms”
Q250 Sob story: 10 facts about crying and tears

(http://chealth.canoe.ca/channel_section_details.asp?
text_id=5742&channel_id=11&relation_id=27878)
1. Why your nose gets sniffle when you cry:
It all starts with your lacrimal glands, located on the outer portion of the upper eyes.
These peanut-shell-shaped glands create and secrete tears. Most tears will flow over
the surface of your eyes and drain out the corners of your eyelids, through the tear
ducts, which lead into the nasal cavity. If you cry an abundance of tears, the tears
overflow the nasal cavity and start running out of your nose.
2. Tears help you see better:
Even when you are not crying, tears flow from your lacrimal glands with every blink,
moistening your eyes. This moisture - made of water, oil, and mucus - helps to
maintain healthy vision. Tears clear your eyes of debris and allow light to enter your
eyes so you can see.
3. Tears flow for 3 reasons.
Think about the times your eyes water, like when you feel overwhelmed by emotion,
when you sneeze or have allergies, or when you're peeling onions. Tear experts
generally separate the droplets into three types. Basal tears are the kind of tears that
clean and lubricate your eyes, supporting your vision. Reflex tears are the ones that
stream out when your eyes are irritated by something - the compounds in onions,
pollen, bacteria. And emotional tears, well, you know what those are for.
4. Emotional tears may be an evolutionary adaptation.
We humans may have evolved tears that do more than mere eye-moistening as a
means of survival. Evolutionary biologist Oren Hasson suggested that we may have
used tears to protect us from predators by making it harder to tell where we were
gazing. Or, Hasson wondered, could it be that we evolved emotional tears as a way to
show others that we were vulnerable, that we would prefer to make peace? When
most people see a crying face, they feel an urge to ask what is wrong, to offer help or
empathy. It could be that emotional tears signaled our willingness to trust and become
bonded into supportive, protective communities. And crying when we felt fearful or
vulnerable or when we felt a sense of unity could then have developed into the kind of
emotional crying we all do now and then.
5. A "good" cry can make you feel better.

Crying is often called "cathartic," a release of pent-up emotions and tensions. But how
we really feel after crying may depend on the circumstances and context of your
crying – the "when," "where," and "with whom" you cry. In an international study
including over 5,000 men and women, certain "good" and "bad" cry patterns emerged.
Criers who got support from those around them were more likely to feel better post-
sob. Criers got a boost from bawling if they came to a realization, new understanding,
or resolution regarding the thing that made them cry.
5. A "bad" cry may make you feel worse.
Participants in the study mentioned above who suppressed their crying or felt shame
as they cried reported that they did not feel as good afterward. A different, smaller
study found that crying can be the opposite of cathartic for those with certain
depressive symptoms. Those with an inability to experience pleasure did not take
pleasure from crying - in fact, they felt worse after they cried than they felt before.
The same results applied to those who were out of touch with or unable to express
their emotions.
6. Some people are more prone to cry than others.
The smaller study mentioned above uncovered another pattern about crying. If you
are quite empathetic to the suffering of others, you may cry more frequently than the
harder-hearted. People who are anxious or neurotic cry both more frequently and
more easily than others. And extraverts tend to cry more often during negative
situations and are less likely to cry "happy tears."
7. Babies cry 1 to 3 hours each day.
New parents would probably estimate a much higher tear tally than that! Infants cry to
communicate. Their wails and screeches can alert a parent to so many potential issues
- hunger, thirst, tiredness, discomfort, boredom, loneliness. Infants cry out for help if
they are too cold or too hot, if they have gas, if their diaper is wet, or if they are in the
painful throes of teething. Parents may develop an instinctual ability to translate their
infant's various cries. And new mothers discover the amazing power of a baby's cry to
engorge her breasts with milk. A baby who cries for more than 3 hours a day, more
than 3 days a week, for more than 3 weeks may have colic, which is excessive crying
without a known cause.
8. Tear ducts can become blocked.
The ducts that drain tears from your eyes can become blocked due to aging, infection,
inflammation, injury, tumour, or cyst. A blocked tear means tears can't be drain
properly, causing symptoms of excessive tearing and watery eyes. Blocked ducts can
also increase risk of eye infection and inflammation.

9. Crying can become involuntary.
Yes, any of us can be suddenly overwhelmed by the waterworks. But in certain

neurological conditions, crying - along with laughing - can happen uncontrollably.
Called pathological laughing and crying (PLC), laughter or sobbing can occur at
inappropriate times. PLC can appear as a symptom of stroke, Alzheimer's disease,
multiple sclerosis, and amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (ALS or Lou Gehrig's disease).
10. Some times Laughs leads to cry and tears: (Added by MUQ)
Sometimes when you laugh too much….you experience tears coming out of your
eyes…..this is a warning from your Creator….that Life is not a laughing matter….you
should be careful and follow middle path in every thing, even while laughing!!
PS: And these tears are also IRREFUTABLE proof of BTOE. Random Mutation and
NS esq.!!
Q251, No kidding: 10-year-old girl becomes mom, dad a minor too
MADRID: A 10-year-old girl has given birth in southern Spain and authorities are
evaluating whether to let her and her family retain custody of the baby, an official said
on Tuesday.
The baby was born last week in the city of Jerez de la Frontera, said Micaela Navarro,
who is the Andalusia region's minister of social affairs.
Navarro told reporters the father of the baby is also a minor, and both the mother and
the baby were in good health. Her department declined to give further details , such as
the sex of baby.
Spanish newspapers said that the mother is of Romanian origin. The daily Diario de
Jerez quoted medical staffers who treated the girl as saying that they were told by her
mother that giving birth at such a young age is common in their country.
The Romanian girl became pregnant before coming to Spain, according to media
reports.
Medical experts warn that because young girls are still growing themselves, they are
at higher risk during pregnancy.
Studies have shown that teenage girls are more likely to give birth to premature babies
and their infants also have a higher chance of dying by age one.
As reported by the ministry of Equality, the 10-year-old girl has not requested
assistance, so the family will take care of two children . However, community social
services in Jerez will monitor the case. Social services have refused to say if a police
investigation will be launched into the matter of the conception.

In Andalucia, 48 under 15's gave birth in 2008, the last year for which the National
Statistics Institute (INE) provides data. Across Spain, in the same year there were 177
births from underage mothers.
Q252, Telescope spots oldest galaxy ever seen
Galaxy is 200 million years older than next oldest seen , By REUTERS
WASHINGTON - U.S. and European researchers trying to peer back to the

beginnings of the universe said Wednesday they have spotted what they think is the
most ancient galaxy ever seen — 13.2 billion years old.
The aging Hubble Space Telescope collected light from the dim object, which would
have formed when the universe was just 480 million years old, the researchers report
in the journal Nature.
“We’re peering into an era where big changes are afoot,” said Garth Illingworth of the
University of California at Santa Cruz, one of the researchers working on the study.
“The rapid rate at which the star birth is changing tells us if we go a little further back
in time we’re going to see even more dramatic changes, closer to when the first
galaxies were just starting to form.”
Light travels at a speed of 186,000 miles a second, or about 6 trillion miles a year.
Astronomers can use light-speed as a kind of time machine, and seeing light emitted
from objects very far away shows them as they were in the past.
In this case, the galaxy’s light started traveling 13.2 billion years ago, right after the
Big Bang that created the universe
The distance is measured using what is called red shift, a kind of Doppler effect of
light. Just as a train’s whistle seems to change in pitch as the train approaches and
passes, light’s color also shifts.
This galaxy has a red shift of 10, making it the farthest and oldest ever seen. The
previous record, set in October, was a galaxy with a red shift of 8.5.
Just 200 million years later, stars began forming at a much faster rate, the researchers
said.
“However, only when the James Webb Space Telescope is launched will these first
phases of galaxy build-up between (red shifts of 15 and red shifts of 10) be revealed,”
they wrote.
Hubble, launched in 1990, can see the faint light from these ancient galaxies because
it orbits outside the Earth’s atmosphere. The more powerful Webb telescope is
scheduled for launch in 2015.

Q253, Violent crime up in New York City: NYPD says murders jumped 11%,
rapes rose 13%, 7% more people shot
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER
Wednesday, June 30th 2010, 4:00 AM
The NYPD says violent crimes has risen sharply in New York City, though the
overall crime rate is down 1%.
Halfway through the year, crime has increased in all but one of the most violent
felonies, and shootings plague neighborhoods all over the city.
The overall crime rate through June 27 is down 1% percent, thanks to a 7% drop in
grand larcenies. The other six categories of major felonies, however, are up.
Murders have jumped 11%, to 221 from 199, and rapes are up 13%, from 555 to 629.
More people have been shot this year, 799 compared to 748, a 7% increase.
Deputy Commissioner Paul Browne, NYPD's top spokesman, said the agency
changed its strategy after noticed that most of the recent shootings occurred outside,
after midnight.
He also said the NYPD is fighting its own success, as last year's murder tally was the
lowest in at least 47 years.
Tom Reppetto, a police historian and former head of the Citizens Crime Commission,
said the murder rate was higher earlier in the year and that police have done a good
job "holding the line."
Q254, Who=Zinfab
What the Western World is defending here is freedom. The freedom

of speech, in the case of Rushdie and these cartoonists, and the
freedom of thought and conscience of everyone else.
It's great that you love Islam, Allah and your profit Mohammed.
That's your right and your freedom, and everyone who agrees with
you should be free to do the same.
But your love for your religion is your own. You have no right to
demand that anyone else respect your religion. I think people
should, but only as a matter of politeness. Western freedom does

not, and should not, require politeness of people.
The truth is the Western world is fine with anyone's religion, so long
as the practicioners of that religion respect Western values in
return. If it hadn't been for the Fatwa against him, Rushdie's
"Satanic Versus" would have recieved little attention. If it had not
been for Muslim riots and violence threatened against the cartoons,
they would have gone unnoticed too. You guys, at least the violent
among you, create the very disrespect you're so fearful of.
Ans.
You have a wrong concept of freedom of speech and freedom of expression. No one
has freedom to hurt feelings of millions of their own countrymen by writing and
lampooning religious personalities of other faiths.
Writing good thing about any one, is another thing but abusing and making fun is
another thing, you cannot bracket them one action.
What I see strange is this double standard of freedom of speech and

expression….when it comes to defense and security of your country, then there is no
“freedom of Speech and Expression”!!
Do you have “freedom of speech and expression” to tell your country’s defense
secrets?
Do you have freedom of speech and expression to plagiarize any one else’s works?
So the freedom of speech and expression is not absolute and has been and can be
restricted.
Since in your society, you do not give any importance to religion, so you care least
who writes what and who makes fun of whom. You enjoy the Fun and Controversies
which such actions generate.
But there are millions of people who take religion seriously, so your laws must restrict
“freedom of speech and expression” so that harmony in the society be maintained.
By defending Rushdie s and Cartoonist s, you are sending wrong message to 1.5
Billion Muslims in the world.
Q255, Who= Zinfab
Clearly we have different ideas on what freedom means, so I won't

bother to argue it with you. On this issue, however, I will disagree
strongly.
In the United States we have freedom of religion. That freedom

includes freedom *from* religion, if the individual wishes.

The freedom not to be religious makes those that choose to be

religious more devout, not less. For each and every one of them,
being religious is a personal choice. A choice made when the option
not to be religious is easily available.
In the United States our religious institutions, our Mosques,

Synagogues and Churches are all self-funded by the people who
worship there. In other countries religious institutions need to be
funded by the government.
I'd put the piety of Americans who choose to be religious against

the piety of people in other countries who don't have the same
choices any day.
Ans.
A. Freedom of religion / or freedom “from” religion:
Freedom of religion does not mean freedom “from” religion or to make fun and abuse
other religions or their religious personalities. And it is also against reason, logic and
against freedom of people who follow that faith.
This warped view of freedom is what is the root cause of all that trouble. And the way
you people try to defend it makes it all the more unfortunate.
It is your “mirage assumption” that US or Western Govt. do not fund these religious
institutions….they may not fund it directly, but they encourage people to fund them
by giving all those “Tax Breaks” and making these institutions “Tax free”.
Most of money which goes to these religious institutions is tax money….which

should have gone to public treasury.
“A penny saved is a penny earned” is a popular saying, in the same way “A penny
from tax money and not reaching treasury is Government‘s contribution to that
cause”.
There is a big racket going on in USA and Europe by these Churches and that is why
you see “mushroom growth” of many weird Church bodies and Church lobby groups.

Q256, White House backs compromise on gays in military
By PHILIP ELLIOTT, Associated Press Writer Philip Elliott, Associated Press Writer
WASHINGTON – A proposal to step up the repeal of the ban on gays and lesbians
serving openly in the military but still allow the Pentagon time — perhaps even years
— to implement new policies won the White House's backing on Monday after
administration officials met with gay rights activists.
The White House budget office sent a letter supporting the proposal to remove the
Clinton-era "don't ask, don't tell" law even as the Pentagon continues a review of the
system. Implementation of policy for gays serving openly would still require the
approval of President Barack Obama, Defense Secretary Robert Gates and the
chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Adm. Mike Mullen. How long implementation
might take is not known, but the proposed amendment would have no effect on
current practices.
"The proposed amendment will allow for completion of the comprehensive review,
enable the Department of Defense to assess the results of the review, and ensure that
the implementation of the of the repeal is consistent with standards of military
readiness, effectiveness, unit cohesion, recruiting and retention," budget chief Peter
Orszag wrote in identical evening letters to Pennsylvania Rep. Patrick Murphy,
Connecticut Sen. Joe Lieberman and Michigan Sen. Carl Levin — the Democrats
leading the push for repeal..
"Without a repeal vote by Congress this year, the Pentagon's hands are tied and the
armed forces will be forced to continue adhering to the discriminatory 'don't ask, don't
tell' law," said Joe Solmonese, president of the Human Rights Campaign.
The White House had hoped lawmakers would delay action until Pentagon officials
had completed their study so fellow Democrats would not face criticism that they
moved too quickly or too far ahead of public opinion in this election year. Instead,
administration officials recognized it could not stop Congress in its effort to repeal the
1993 ban and joined the negotiations.
Hours after activists met at the White House, top Democratic lawmakers met on
Capitol Hill and approved the final version of a brokered deal that adds the repeal to
the annual defense spending bill.
… On Capitol Hill, the third-ranking House Republican promised unified GOP

opposition to lifting the ban. "The American people don't want the American military
to be used to advance a liberal political agenda. And House Republicans will stand on
that principle," said Mike Pence, R-Ind.
Pence urged Democrats who control both chambers to wait until the Pentagon
completes its review of what a repeal would take.
Congress led hearings on a repeal and heard testimony from Gates and Mullen — the
top uniformed official in the country — in favor of repeal. Additionally, a Gallup poll

earlier this month found 70 percent of American favor allowing gays and lesbians to
serve openly.
Obama's relationship with gay activists has been rocky since his election. Gays and
lesbians objected to the invitation of evangelist Rev. Rick Warren's to participate in
Obama's inauguration because of Warren's support for repealing gay marriage in
California. Obama responded by having Episcopalian Bishop V. Gene Robinson, the
denomination's first openly gay bishop, participate at another event…
The military's "don't ask, don't tell" policy was imposed by a 1993 law intended as a
compromise between President Bill Clinton, who wanted to lift the ban on gays
entirely, and a reluctant Congress and military that said doing so would threaten
order…
Between 1997 and 2008, the Defense Department discharged more than 10,500
service members for violating the policy. (abridged)
Q257, Who= Aurelious
Just a point Muq. We don't have a democracy here. Good thing too.
We have a representative republic.
Now, I am not afraid of the truth. You state silly things like how the
building fell exactly into their footprints. Patently untrue. That is
how tower 7 got damaged and eventually fell. You need to move on
and address something else. You might also try being a bit clearer
but I do realize that you may not be a native speaker. We know the
whole truth. Give it a rest.
Ans.
America claims to be a Democracy…..and you are correct to say that it is

not…..voters are swayed by the media and the lobby groups……they are coaxed to
believe in things that are not true…..the candidates are made to dance to the tunes of
voters…..they are made to make promises which neither of them believes to be
true….
If you are from Government in Power…..you present every thing in white….if you
are from opposition side, you present every thing in black…..that is once there is
election time…..after election is over….both sides lay their arms and enjoy in the
“fruits” of democracy….having fooled the nation and electorates…..the policies
seldom change because Mr. X or Mr. Y is in White House…..the changes are only
cosmetic…..that is US and Most democracies in the world today.
Now coming to 9/11 and collapse of WTC towers, you have to read thru the article,
before you will know what is it talking about.

To lay man it is “very logical” that a jetliner at 600 KM , fully loaded with fuel hits 96
and 80th floor of WTC towers and due to “impact and high heat generated by fire” the
entire structure falls like a “pancake”, floor crushing floors below and so on…..that is
very fine for a fiction movie and fine TV effect.
But you fail to realize that WTC Towers were DESIGNED to take the impact of a
fully loaded Jet Air Liner!! They were made of massive solid steel columns……
Steel just does not crush away from the impact, it twists and it turns and the collapse
is never symmetrical. There were 80 to 90 Floors below which were not damaged,
they cannot just give way and allow the building to crumble to ground in 10-11
seconds (and that too repeated for BOTH towers).
It is only possible if members are weakened BEFORE the top mass reaches there and
this is the standard Controlled Demolition technique.
The fall of WTC-7 in the same manner was all the more bizarre. It was a 47 story
building, also made of steel columns….it was almost 100 meter away from WTC
Towers…..no plane ever hit it, is it possible that such a building would also collapse
in the similar fashion just be falling debris from WTC?
Some people say it could, some say it could not. Why not do independent
investigation? Why hide the facts?
That is what I am talking about. People behind this Truth of 9/11 are not Muslims,
they are not Anti American, they are not Osama and Taliban supporters….what they
want to know is the REAL TRUTH behind fall of WTC towers.
They do not want to know the POLITICAL TRUTH!! That disclosure of real truth is
detrimental to the security and stability of US and tripe like that.
It is media and bias and false sense of patriotism, which is stopping more and more
people to know about the real truth and real reasons of fall of WTC towers.
If we know truth and uncover REAL plotters of 9/11 incident, it would go long way,
in making USA a powerful, and honest and great country. Believing in falsehood is
never good for growth and existence of any country
Q258, who="Interesting"
I honestly wish that they find alternative. I once owned a company

named "Renewable Energy" with a German Canadian, who also
owned Alliance Engineering in Calgary, Canada.
Our assessment was not so grand at that time for anything other
than oil, gas and coal. Hope something new is discovered. But,
America has begun to marginalize its engineers and like Brits in
1900, judges and lawyers are afront.

I found that out when, even as key engineering support to a major

gas industry lawsuit involving the world's largest chemical
company and also with my interaction with Europe's largest.
I always found that the judges and lawyers were like divine and I
was poor little engineer. I found that even with my engineering
publications in the annual International conferences of the
world's very tops in gas engineering based in America.
Ans.
What you said about "Engineers and Technology people" being marginalized in favor
of lawyers and judges….you for got to mention “Business management guys”.
I do not know how it is in your country, but in India these B-school fresh graduates
are paid salaries and perks, which Engineering and Technical people will not get even
at the end of their carriers.
I do not know how can you “manage a business” if it does not exists in the first place.
Bosses from MNC s (Multi National Companies) swarm at these B-schools and
“cheery pick” these fresh students and offer them salaries which are beyond thinking
a few years back.
This sends wrong signals to the people and more and more Brilliant students are
attracted to these B-schools, and the Engineering side suffers.
In long term it bodes ill for the country, because instead of a “producing country”,
you become a “management country” and that is what we are seeing in case of India
and China.
While Indian students and professional are on top in IT and business management,
China is # 1 “producing country” in the world.
I am talking about India and China because I am from India, may be you can share
your views what is happening in US and Canada and Europe
Q259, Iceland's gay PM marries partner under new law , By Reuters
REYKJAVIK - Icelandic Prime Minister Johanna Sigurdardottir, has married her

long-term partner, her office said on Monday, making her the world’s first national
leader with a same-sex spouse.
Sigurdardottir, 67, married writer Jonina Leosdottir on Sunday, the day a new law
took effect defining marriage as a union between two consenting adults regardless of
sex.
The two had had a civil union for years and changed this into a marriage under the
new law, which was approved by parliament earlier this month.

The new law was celebrated at a church service on Sunday, which was also the
international day for homosexual rights.
The prime minister’s office said Sigurdardottir had sent a message to the gathering
saying the new law was a cause for celebration for all Icelanders and adding: “I have
today taken advantage of this new legislation.”
The Lutheran State Church has long been split on the issue of same-sex marriage and
the church congress in April did not unanimously support the new legislation. The
bishop of Iceland has urged parish ministers to comply with the law.
Sigurdardottir, who has children from a previous heterosexual marriage, is the world’s
only openly gay prime minister but her sexuality has never been an issue in Iceland,
which, like the other Nordic states, has a history of tolerance.
Q260 Will Hijab ban save West from Terrorist attacks?
I am slightly confused, will some one help me.
A. Will Banning BURQA Save Western Countries from Terrorist attacks?
Majority of people in Western Countries (seeing their approval from general public,
after their parliaments made these laws) , accuse (indirectly) that Most of Muslim
men and women living in Western Countries are fundamentalists, extremists,
terrorists and having soft corners for Al Qaeda, Osama and Taliban …
If such is the case, then they should keep Muslim men and Women under close
observation …. Best way for that is that they should dress in such a way that every
one would recognize them instantly and watch their movements.
Islamic Hijab and BURQAS were a sure test for identifying Muslim Terrorist women
instantly….now by banning BURQAS and Hijab, Muslim women would merge with
“Non Terrorist” Western women and could easily go any where and do their acts of
terrorism with ease!!
So actually by banning BURQAS, western people are creating more risks for terrorist
attacks!!
When the Ban on Muslim beards shall come?
After “saving” Muslim women from the “Prison Cell” of BURQA,. When the turn for
Muslim male shall come to “save them from Beards”?
Beard is also a sure sign for a Fundamentalist and Extremist and Terrorist
Muslim….so to save Western Society, a ban on beard should also be considered and
any one having beard or wearing Cap should also be banned from public places

I think western people should take a lesson from Turkey, where after 80 years of
banning head scarves and BURQAS, the people have VOTED for removing the Ban!!
This is power of Islam, it penetrates down to your heart…. You cannot change it from
outside.
Q261, Pot lovers light up Queen's Park

By TOM GODFREY, QMI Agency
TORONTO - Thousands of Toronto pot smokers were puffing their bongs and spiffs
without fear of arrest at Queen’s Park before taking part in a march calling for the
weed to be legalized.
The air around the legislature reeked with pot as an estimated 25,000 users, mostly
between 18 and 35, gathered to spark one and view arts and crafts that is part of a
fourth Toronto Freedom Festival that takes alongside a Global Marijuana March
involving people in 200 countries.
Festival organizer Blaine Dowdle said the event promotes the legalization and
medicinal use of marijuana.
“We are encouraging people to look at alternative lifestyles,” Dowdle said Saturday.
“We would like cannabis to be taxed and regulated and available for use by those who
need it.”
More than a dozen speakers from across Canada, including B.C.’s Mark Emery, the
so-called “Prince of Pot,” who is facing extradition to the U.S. for selling seeds,
praised the benefits of marijuana.
There were bands playing and donations being accepted and lots of fast food for sale
for those with the munchies. The march went along Bloor St. to Yonge St., south to
Wellesley St., and across to Queen’s Park
Coco Hogarth, 21, of Oshawa, who was puffing on a large glass pipe, said this was
her third year at the event, which she said keeps getting better yearly.
“I am here to lend my voice to others who want pot legal in Canada,” she said. “I
think it is just a matter of time.“
Hogarth lit the bowl of the pipe and began coughing from the strong smoke.
Millie Byers, 18, with sister, Lexy, 17, and friends, all of Toronto, were sitting on the
grass puffing a reefer.
“We would like to see this smoke legal at some point,” Millie said. “I think it’s just
the government who don’t want this legalized.”
Raya Moazen, of Toronto, said she was enjoying the event and the people it attracted.

“If the authorities can legalize booze then why can’t they do the same for marijuana,”
asked Moazen.
Chris P., 26, of Toronto, said the police have lost their war on hard drugs and
marijuana.
“Pot is a soft drug and is relatively safe,” Chris said. “It is a non-violent drug that can
be taxed if passed.”
Officers at 52 Division said about 25,000 people attended the event and the only
incident occurred when a man fell from a tree and lost consciousness and had to be
rushed to St. Michael’s Hospital.
http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2010/05/01/13794441-qmi.html
Q262, Mother admits killing 'mouthy' teens , By QMI Agency
A U.S. mother admitted to killing her two teenage children because they were
“mouthy,” police said.
After a relative called police out of concern, they found Julie Schenecker, 50, on the
back porch of her Tampa, Fla., home Friday morning covered in blood, according to a
police statement.
The body of her 13-year-old son Beau Powers Schenecker was found fatally shot in
an SUV in the garage, and Calyx Powers Schenecker, 16, was found dead in an
upstairs bedroom.
"She did tell us that they talked back, that they were mouthy," Laura McElroy,
spokeswoman for Tampa police told local news station WTSP. "But I don't think that
will ever serve as an explanation to the rest of us of how you could take a child's life."
An arrest affidavit said the children's mother shot her son twice in the head with a .38-
caliber pistol on the way to soccer practice for “talking back” and shot her daughter in
the face while she did her homework at the upscale family home.
Her husband, Parker Schenecker, is an Army intelligence officer, and was on-duty in
the Middle East at the time of the shootings. He was notified by police Friday.
Police believe the victims were gunned down Thursday, but the medical examiner
will determine the exact times of death.
The accused described the crimes in detail to police, and confessed to the killings,
said McElroy.
She is charged with two counts of first degree murder.
Schenecker did not appear in court Saturday as she was being treated in hospital for
an unknown medical condition.

Investigators were initially called by Schenecker's mother in Texas, as she was

concerned she could not reach her daughter and believed she was depressed,
according to a police statement.
Q263, Economic Times
Women banned from wearing mini-skirts to work
LONDON:
Women in Britain's offices have been banned from wearing mini-skirts to work, and
people involved in "customer-facing roles" have been told
to look more professional "in a way that shows respect to children and families".
Around 400 staff in Southampton City Council's children's services department

received a memo telling them they should dress respectfully and "carefully consider
their work attire", the Daily Mail reported.
Council bosses said in the memo that women wearing mini-skirts could be sent home,
while men have been advised to wear "collared or polo shirts, cotton trousers such as
khakis or chinos with a belt".
Women can wear trousers, informal dresses or skirts of "reasonable" length, but "not
mini-skirts".
"Please try to dress smartly and thoughtfully, in line with other professionals you
come across in your day-to-day work, and in a way that shows respect to children and
families," it said.
Women, however, have threatened to fight the ban, as one of them said: "Are they
going to come around with a tape measure?"
"I would have thought the council has got better things to do than impose a
regimented approach to what people wear," said Mike Tucker, secretary of a union.
PS: A Counter to Hijab? (MUQ)
Q264, West’ laws on marriage
In the politically correct world it is fashionable to apply today’s political correctness

standards to figures from history. Look at the facts of Western Christian marriage
ages until very recently:
English Common Law had allowed a male at the age of 14 and female at the age of 12
years to marry with consent of their parents. The English Marriage Act of 1753
abolished English Common Law but still permitted previously established marriage

age. In 1927, the English legislature raised the marriage age to 16 years for the both
sexes.
The U.S society followed the English Common law initially and allowed the male of
14 and female of 12 to enter into a marriage contract. However, the law continued
changing and today the marriage age for both sexes is different in different states of
the United States. The marriages with consent of parents are allowed much earlier
than fixed by statutory provisions in different countries and states of the United
States.
Q265, Women's role in combat needs a deeper look: Army Chief Gen V K Singh
PTI, Sep 18, 2010, 01.53pm IST
CHENNAI: Army Chief Gen V K Singh said the issue of women's role in combat
operation was not a simple question and needed a "deeper look".
"Women have a role in the Army. They have a role in lot of aspects that the Army
does. If you are looking at actual combat, I think we have to think more deeply about
it," he told reporters after reviewing a passing out parade at the Officers' Training
Academy here.
The role of women in combat "is not a simple question of saying whether they have to
go to combat or not," he said emphasising that the issue required a "deeper look".
"The army, wherever it operates, whether in the frontline or the people who
supporting it, everybody is in combat," the Army Chief said.
The Indian armed forces have a cumulative strength of about 2,200 women officers
amidst growing demand for providing them permanent commission in the combat
streams including infantry and artillery and as fighter pilots in the IAF.
In August, the government had told the Supreme Court that the male officers who are
given permanent commission alone can go for training for command appointment
(combat).
The government submission came during hearing on a petition filed by the Army
challenging a Delhi High Court judgment directing the armed forces to grant
permanent commission to women serving in the armed forces.
"It is not a question of man or woman. It is a question of merit. It shows how the
system works and we don't look at the gender and look at how good a person is and
that is what has happened today," he said.

In his address, Gen Singh said the Indian army had a formidable image at home and
abroad for its professionalism, discipline and dedication and had delivered exemplary
services during internal and external challenges and other peace-keeping operations
and rehabilitation works.
He exhorted the cadets to be prepared for the challenges involved in conventional and
proxy war. (Abridged)
PS: These are views of a Serving Indian Army Chief, not that of any Male
Chauvinist Pig- MUQ

Chapter –8
(On Violence and Terrorism
and War on Terror)

Q266, Obama backs mosque at ground Zero
PTI, Aug 14, 2010, 09.00am IST
WASHINGTON: US President Barack Obama has strongly supported the move to

build a mosque at Ground Zero in New York, saying US commitment to religious
freedom must be unshakeable.
"Let me be clear: as a citizen, and as President, I believe that Muslims have the same
right to practice their religion as anyone else in this country.
"That includes the right to build a place of worship and a community centre on private
property in lower Manhattan, in accordance with local laws and ordinances," Obama
said in his remarks at a Iftaar dinner hosted by him at the White House.
"This is America, and our commitment to religious freedom must be unshakeable.

The principle that people of all faiths are welcome in this country, and will not be
treated differently by their government, is essential to who we are.
The writ of our Founders must endure," Obama said. The Indian Ambassador to the
US, Meera Shankar, was among the select few diplomats, mostly from Muslim
countries, to attend the Iftaar dinner which was attended by top Muslim leaders,
academicians and lawmakers of the US.
"Recently, attention has been focused on the construction of mosques in certain

communities - particularly in New York.
Now, we must all recognize and respect the sensitivities surrounding the development
of lower Manhattan," he said.
"The 9/11 attacks were a deeply traumatic event for our country. The pain and
suffering experienced by those who lost loved ones is unimaginable. So I understand
the emotions that this issue engenders. Ground Zero is, indeed, hallowed ground,"
Obama said as he went on to support the move to construct a mosque there.
"We must never forget those who we lost so tragically on 9/11, and we must always
honour those who have led our response to that attack - from the firefighters who
charged up smoke-filled staircases, to our troops who are serving in Afghanistan
today," he said.
"Let us always remember who we are fighting against, and what we are fighting for.
Our enemies respect no freedom of religion. Al-Qaida's cause is not Islam - it is a
gross distortion of Islam," he said.
These are not religious leaders - these are terrorists who murder innocent men, women
and children. In fact, al Qaeda has killed more Muslims than people of any other
religion - and that list of victims includes innocent Muslims who were killed on 9/11,
Obama said.
"That is who we are fighting against. And the reason that we will win this fight is not

simply the strength of our arms - it is the strength of our values. The democracy that
we uphold. The freedoms that we cherish. The laws that we apply without regard to
race or religion; wealth or status," the President said.
"Our capacity to show not merely tolerance, but respect to those who are different
from us - a way of life that stands in stark contrast to the nihilism of those who
attacked us on that September morning, and who continue to plot against us today,"
Obama said.
Q267, Who= Robert2
I agree. Islam should do the same, if they followed your doctrine,

there would have been no 9/11. Unfortunately, those guys chose to
Target America. We will now go wherever Jihad is, and strike them
down. Islam MADE this a war. They better be prepared for the
consequences.
Ans.
First of all , you cannot blame 9/11 on all Muslims.
Second thing is that 9/11 has not been investigated impartially and in details that it
required. US has become Prosecutor, Judge and Executioner in one stroke.
There are many evidences that events of 9/11 were not as simple as it looked. It was a
deep rooted conspiracy and its purpose was to place a permanent wedge between US
and Muslim nations and it has achieved its purpose.
The forces and persons who planned and executed 9/11 are still at large and US is
running after red herrings.
US is fighting Jihad, wherever it finds or suspects to find it, wasting its energies and
resources and the end result will be wastage and suffering for its own people and for
other people.
That is not the right approach. If 9/11 was done by some people, they only should be
punished and no one else.
How was Iraq and Saddam connected with 9/11?
Why did US invade Iraq? Where was Jihad in iraq before US attacked it and
occupied it? Is US not responsible for starting Jihad activity in Iraq?

Q268, Who= Saviour Self
Are you so blind as to ignore every bit of evidence quoted to the

contrary? or just so stupid as to dismiss every post that speaks to
the truth of the 9/11 attacks being the culmination of militant
Islamic aggression against the United States?
Now why again would Al-Qaeda and Osama Bin Laden specially
accept responsibility for the Sept. 11'th, 2001 attacks if they were
not culpable? After assuming responsibility for 60 years worth of
attacks against western (and, specifically, American interests) why
should anybody assume all of a sudden that the militant Islamic
world was no longer responsible for the assaults it claimed
responsibility for?
What disturbs me most, Muq, is not you yourself, you are supposed
to hate America, it is your nature.
Ans.
Why should you be so biased? I am giving scientific proofs that WTC towers could
not have collapsed to ground just because of Jet plane striking it.
Instead of refuting the arguments…..you keep on speaking about actions of Islamic

militants. In past, present and future.
Both Al Qaeda and Osama denied any responsibility for 9/11 immediately following
the attacks, that was the best and ideal time for them to corner all media attention and
glory.
The co called “responsibility tapes appeared almost two years after the incident”.
Let us be focused on the fall of WTC towers without prejudice, bias or pre judgment.
You anti Islamic bias and hate is evident from every word of your post….I usually do
not answer such posts.
I have told you in past also and telling you once more that I do not correspond with
people who propagate nothing but hate on this thread…..you seem to be one of them
Q269, Chronology: Major Maoist attacks in last 2 years ,

PTI, May 17, 2010, 07.35pm IST
The Maoist attack near Dantewada in Chhattisgarh is the fifth major strike by Maoists
in the country this year.
Following is the chronology of recent major Maoist attacks:

June 29, 2008: Maoists attack a boat on Balimela reservoir in Orissa carrying four
anti- Maoist police officials and 60 Greyhound commandos, killing 38 troops.

July 16, 2008: 21 policemen killed when a police van was blown up in a landmine
blast in Malkangiri district of Orissa.
April 13, 2009: 10 paramilitary troops killed in eastern Orissa when Maoists attack a
bauxite mine in Koraput district.
April 22, 2009: Maoists hijack a train with at least 300 people on board in Jharkhand
and force it to Latehar district before fleeing.
May 22, 2009: Maoists kill 16 policemen in the jungles of Gadchiroli district in
Maharashtra.
June 10, 2009: Nine policemen, including CRPF troops and officers, ambushed by
Maoists during a routine patrol in Saranda jungles in Jharkhand.
June 13, 2009: Maoists launch two landmine and bomb attacks in a small town close
to Bokaro, killing 10 policemen and injuring several others.
June 16, 2009: Maoists kill 11 police officers in a landmine attack followed by armed
assault. In a separate attack, four policemen were killed and two others seriously
injured when Maoists ambush them at Beherakhand in Palamau district.
June 23, 2009: A group of motorcycle-borne armed Naxal rebels open fire on
Lakhisarai district court premises in Bihar and free four of their comrades including
the self-style Zonal Commander of Ranchi.
July 18, 2009: Maoists kill a villager in Bastar and in a separate incident torch a
vehicle engaged in road construction work in Bijapur district of Chhattisgarh.
July 23, 2009: A 40-year-old tribal killed by Maoists at Ettapalli taluka in Gadchiroli
district.
July 27, 2009: Six persons killed when Maoists trigger a landmine blast at Dantewada
district in Chhattisgarh.
July 31, 2009: A special police officer and another person killed by Maoists in
Bijapur district.
Sep 4, 2009: Maoists kill four villagers in a forest in Aaded village in Chhattisgarh's
Bijapur district.
Sep 26, 2009: Maoists kill BJP MP from Balaghat Baliram Kashyap's sons at
Pairaguda village in Jagdalpur (Chhattisgarh).
Sep 30, 2009: Maoists set ablaze Gram Panchayat offices at Korchi and Belgaon in
Gadchiroli district of Maharashtra.

Oct 8, 2009: 17 policemen killed when Maoists ambushed them at Laheri police
station in Gadchiroli district of Maharashtra.
Feb 15, 2010: 24 personnel of the Eastern Frontier Rifles (EFR) killed as Maoists
attack their camp in Silda in West Midnapore district of West Bengal.
April 4, 2010: Maoists triggered a landmine blast killing 11 security personnel of the
elite anti-naxal force Special Operations Group (SOG) in Koraput district of Orrisa.
April 6, 2010: 75 CRPF personnel and a Chhattisgarh police official killed in a

Maoist attack in Dantewada district.
May 8, 2010: 8 CRPF jawans were killed when Maoists blew up a bullet-proof
vehicle in Bijapur district of Chhhattisgarh.
May 18, 2010: 40 Civilians killed when Maoists blow a Public Transport Bus in
Dantewada , Chattisgarh
Total in Two years: 240 Police and Paramilitary Persons, and 55 Civilians and
villagers (A very rough estimate of total killings done by these people)
Q270, Truth lost? Most military records of Bangladesh war missing
NEW DELHI: The history of the 1971 India-Pakistan war will never be fully written.
Most of the official records of the war that led to the liberation of Bangladesh have
been destroyed.
The destroyed files include those on the creation of the Mukti Bahini — the
Bangladesh freedom fighters — all appreciation and assessments made by the army
during the war period, the orders issued to fighting formations, and other sensitive
operational details.
Authoritative army sources said all records of the period, held at the Eastern
Command in Kolkota, were destroyed immediately after the 1971 war. This has
remained secret until now.
According to at least two former chiefs of the Eastern Command and other senior
army officers TOI spoke to, the destruction may have been deliberate.
They say the destruction may have happened when Lt General Jagjit Singh Aurora,
the Indian army’s commanding officer on the eastern front, headed the Eastern
Command. If true, this would be at odds with Aurora’s image as the hero who led his
men to victory and the Pakistan army’s surrender in Dhaka.
The sensational fact that the files were missing became known only recently when the
Eastern Command was searching for details of the Mukti Bahini camps in order to
organize a reception for Bangladeshi veterans.
The Indian Army had housed the freedom fighters in different camps across India,

where army instructors trained them in warfare. Later, Mukti Bahini fighters were part
of the operations led by the eastern command.
A senior army source told TOI, “We were looking for the details of Mukti Bahini
camps. We wanted to know where all were the camps, who were in charge etc. When
those files were not available, the eastern army command launched a hunt for the
records of the war. That is when we realized that the entire records are missing.’’
Lt Gen (retd.) JFR Jacob, who was chief of staff of the eastern command during the
war and later its head, admitted the records were missing, when asked if this were
true. ‘‘When I took over as Eastern Army commander in August 1974 I asked to see
the records. I was told that they have been shredded,’’ he told TOI. He refused to
discuss who ordered the destruction of the records.
The army headquarters and various units of the army may have some records of the
war, a senior army officer said.
But the picture will never be complete, he said, adding that military records
maintained at the nerve center of operations are crucial if one is ever to construct the
full picture.
The details are significant as this operation is one of the great success stories of Indian
intelligence and the army.
Q271, Who= Frijoles
.1. Regarding my name: You were not paying attention to detail,

and at the same time being culturally insensitive. Two negative
traits coming from the house Jihadist.
2. Best way to know about a religion is to read the scriptures? I

disagree - yourself as case in point. Many of your inaccuracies I
surmise is come from the fact that you have most likely NEVER MET
a Jewish person for real. If you did, and actually learned from them
about what made their system tick, and got to know their religious
culture, your posts would be more accurate. Or you could just buy a
book (with pictures) other than scripture.
3. Islam has a transparent convert system? Yeah, if convert by

sword is transparent I suppose you have a point there.
4. What is a hindu race? Last time I went to India I was

overwhelmed by the number of ethnicities. What is race anyhow?
5. Having a religion associated with 1 land is a tribal concept. Please

study your anthropology. It is actually quite common. And you
guessed it, that’s why tribal religions are not universal religions.
Yes, you have rediscovered the wheel.

6. If you are favor of many paths, why are you here spewing
nonsense like a 11 year old how your superhero is better than
everyone's else’s
Ans.
You are right, I have never met a real Jew in my entire life and I do not expect that he
will have horns on his head and breathing foam from his mouth.!!
I know Jews are very learned and talented people, how else such a small number
would have “mesmerized” and neutralized so many Mighty Christian nations as Jews
have done in USA and Europe?
You cannot find any fault with individuals, but as a group, every group has some
tendencies. For Jews, their stiff neck is visible form the very beginning.
Who else could be more benefactor to jews than Moses, even he was forced to say
that “You are a stiff necked and rebellious people, from the day I knew you”
I know that some people as a group have tendencies to dominate other people. I am
from India, the Brahmin people there have totally neutralized majority of low caste
Hindus living in India for centuries. These low caste people even though they
constitute more than 85 % of Hindus were virtual slaves of these Brahmins for many
centuries. And what is more they liked it!! Brahmins manipulated the religious
system in such a way that these low caste people resigned themselves to their fate and
their only purpose in life and hope in salvation was to serve these high caste people!!
Jews have done some such things to Billions of Christians!! Now they all are
“mesmerized” to believe that they must help Jews to get Palestine, so that Jesus may
return!!
In Quran , Isaac the father of Jewish people is described as a “learned child” and
Ishmael , his elder brother is described as a “forbearing child”. People can still see
the two traits in their offspring even after 4000 years!!
Jews have always been cunning. They are talented and hardworking and have many
achievements to their credit, I do not doubt it. As an individual, it is difficult to find
fault with them, but as a Group, they look down on others.
Their opposition to truth was evident during the time of jesus. If they would have
accepted him, they might be ruling most part of the world now.
They adopted same tactics when our prophet appeared. If they would have followed
him, may be they could have got the whole Palestine for a perpetual possession. But
they chose otherwise.
I cannot comment on this, because this is the matter in the hands of God.

We should try to coexist as much as possible…..we should stick to our believes and
hope that God will judge between us on the last day.
Q272, Who=Pete-O
Now you understand what I was saying, that it is up to moderate

people to keep the radicals in check.
Science is not the beginning and end to life, it only explains the
natural world and shows that a supernatural world has not been
proven to exist, that may change, but as of now, there is no proof
of the supernatural.
What exactly do you propose science and religion join in?
In your last point, you prove my point in that religion can be a

destructive force in the world and if we got rid of it, troubles would
ease in the Middle East.
You seem to be part of the problem when talking about removing

Israel.
What you don't see is the common problem is religious belief.
Ans.
The problem is not the religious beliefs or religions themselves, but people who use
religion to gain power and material wealth. Very few wars have been really fought in
human history on purely religious issues. Most wars that we assign to religions were
in fact for political and material gains.
The bridge between Science and religion could be built, if scientists be not so
cocksure that anything, which they cannot see or experiment, does not really exist.
They should restrict themselves to the physical and material world and leave the
questions of spiritual world to religious people.
Religious people on the other hand, should restrict themselves to spiritual issues and
do not criticize science and scientist and accept any thing which is a proven fact of
science. In fact no true religion will believe or say any thing which is against proven
facts of science or which humans can see or experiment themselves.
Mutual respect and mutual cooperation would go a long way in removing the present
climate of mistrust and denial of other by each party.
Science has really no answer for as to what is the purpose of human life and what
happens to him once he is dead.
Science also has no proof that there is no Creator of this Universe and it just came by
itself. In fact the more science explores Universe and its intricacies, the more it

should get convinced that all that could not have come with out a Planner, A Designer
and a Mighty Powerful being.
Islamic concept of an All Powerful, Knowledgeable and Wise Creator, who is not
Material and not part of this Universe, is more logical and reasonable than what we
find in other religion.
Islam defines the purpose of human life as a test to see who excels in belief and good
deeds. It is free from any caste, race, language or linguistic bias. Then none of the
facts mentioned in Quran have been contradicted by science.
These are factors which show that Islam is very much in harmony with Modern
science and its discoveries and exploration of Universe.
I said that israel is the source of most of problems in ME, has nothing to do with
religion. In fact the existence of Israel itself is based on religion. Why Western
people should have supported such an idea in this modern time is itself
Q273, Who = Ricky-F.
The Taliban also gave hundreds of other inhuman commands, some

to WOMEN! Like strap some bombs across your tits bitch and go
blow up all these kids, women and old people in the market.
Yet you praise the taliban? Praise THIS bitch!
Ans.
I am neither blind supporter nor Rabid hater of Taliban. I do not believe that they
were angels in human shape or devils in human form.
I consider them as humans, they did many good things and have also done some bad
things. Like any human group, they should be praised for their good deeds and
criticized for their bad deeds.
But the Western Media have transformed into monsters, the very mention of name
Taliban creates images of brutality, murder and extremism in the eyes of most
Western people.
First of all they brought peace to major area of Afghanistan, which was burning in fire
of civil war for more than two decades before them. They united the country into one
government.
Then they eliminated most of that drug trade as being Un Islamic. That one act of
Taliban, from Western Prospective, should have absolved them of other minor crimes,
but they overlooked it and now have to deal with ever increasing drug trade.
On negative side, they tried to impose Islamic rule in more haste than the local
conditions demanded. They can be accused of Extremism, but not of doing Anti
Islamic or Un Islamic acts.

If world would have talked to them and taken them into confidence, Afghanistan and
World itself would have been a different place.
But there are people and forces inside USA and Europe and in every country, that do
not like that peace, understanding and mutual trust should increase in the world!!
It is these forces that brainwashed most people in the world about Taliban.\
Q274, One More Anomaly of 9/11
Of all major U.S. airline crashes within the U.S. investigated and published by the
National Transportation Safety Board during the past 20 years, the 9/11 'black boxes'
are virtually the only ones without listed inventory control serial numbers.
NTSB American Airlines flight 77 flight data recorder report, not noting a device
serial number:
http://www.911myths.com/AAL77_fdr.pdf
NTSB United Airlines flight 93 flight data recorder report, not noting a device serial
number:
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB196/doc04.pdf
With flight data recorder serial number data that is virtually always provided within
NTSB reports of major U.S. commercial airline crashes that occur within U.S.
territory, one can trace an installed device to a particular registered aircraft through
manufacturer or airline records.
The following e-mail was provided by a Susan Stevenson of the NTSB on

12/26/2007, in response to a 12/16/2007 public correspondence e-mail inquiry:
"Yes. NTSB investigators rarely encounter a scenario when the identification of an

accident aircraft is not apparent. But during those occasions, investigators will record
serial numbers of major components, and then contact the manufacturer of those
components in an attempt to determine what aircraft the component was installed
upon."
Because of the criminal nature of the 9/11 attacks, the FBI became the lead
investigative agency into the 9/11 aircraft mishaps, along with the requested aid of the
NTSB. It is possible that the FBI seized FAA 9/11 aircraft records containing
component serial number data for aircraft identification purposes and that the FAA no
longer possesses them.
http://www.ntsb.gov/pressrel/2001/010913.htm

By document labeled "Testimony of Marion C. Blakey, Chairman National

Transportation Safety Board before the Committee on Commerce, Science and
Transportation United States Senate", it is indicated that the NTSB assisted the FBI
with the process of "aircraft parts identification" regarding the said aircraft.
http://www.ntsb.gov/Speeches/blakey/mcb020625.htm
Flight data recorder information provided by the NTSB, for all major U.S.
commercial passenger aircraft crashes within U.S. territory, involving major aircraft
and/or loss of life, since 1988, with noted FDR serial numbers:
1. Comair Flight 5191, August 27, 2006, CRJ-100, 49 Dead, Fairchild Model F-1000
FDR, Serial Number: 102368
http://www.ntsb.gov/publictn/2007/AAR0705.pdf
2. Chalk's Ocean Airways Flight 101, December 19, 2005, Grumman G-73, 20 Dead
(Not equipped with a FDR)
http://amelia.db.erau.edu/reports/ntsb/aar/AAR07-04.pdf
3. Corporate Airlines Flight 5966, October 19, 2004, HP Jetstream, 13 Dead,

Fairchild Model F-1000 FDR, Serial Number: 00511
4. Pinnacle Airlines Flight 3701, October 14, 2004, CL-600-2B19, 2 Dead, Fairchild
Model F-1000 FDR, Serial Model: 01094
5. US Airways Express Flight 5481, January 8, 2003, Beechcraft 1900, 21 Dead,

http://www.ntsb.gov/events/2003/AM5481/docket/255651.pdf
6. American Airlines Flight 587, November 12, 2001, Airbus 300, 260 Dead,
Fairchild Model FA-2100 FDR, Serial Number: 1186
http://www.ntsb.gov/Events/2001/AA587/exhibits/241509.pdf

7. Alaska Airlines Flight 261, January 31, 2000, Boeing MD-83, 88 Dead, Sundstrand
Model FDR, Serial Number: 9182
http://www.ntsb.gov/Events/2000/Aka261/docket/117973.pdf
(Contd)
One More Anomaly of 9/11…
8. American Airlines Flight 1420, June 1, 1999, McDonnell Douglas MD-82, 11

Dead, L3 Model FA-2100 FDR, Serial Number: 00718
9. COMAIR Flight 3272, January 9, 1997, Empresa Brasileira de Aeronautica, 29

Dead, Loral Fairchild Model F-1000 FDR, Serial Number: 997
http://www.ntsb.gov/publictn/1998/AAR9804_body.pdf
10. TWA Flight 800, July 17, 1996, Boeing 747, 230 Dead, Sundstrand Model FDR,
Serial Number: 10291
http://www.ntsb.gov/Publictn/2000/AAR0003.pdf
11. Valu Jet Flight 592, May 11, 1996, McDonnell Douglas DC-9, 110 Dead, Loral

http://www.ntsb.gov/Publictn/1997/AAR9706.pdf
12. Atlantic Southeast Airlines Flight 529, August 21, 1995, EMB-120RT, 8 Dead,
Fairchild Digital Model F-800 FDR, Serial Number: 04856
13. American Eagle Flight 4184, October 31, 1994, ATR 72, 68 Dead, Loral/Fairchild
Model F-800 FDR, Serial Number: 4838
http://www.ntsb.gov/Publictn/1996/aar9601.pdf
14. US Air Flight 427, September 8, 1994, Boeing 737-300, 133 Dead,
Loral/Fairchild Data Systems Model F-1000 FDR, Serial Number: 442
15. US Air Flight 1016, July 2, 1994, McDonnell Douglas DC-9, 37 Dead, Fairchild
S-703 FDR, Serial Number: 00880
16. US Air Flight 405, March 22, 1992, Fokker F-28, 27 Dead, Fairchild F-800 FDR,
Serial Number: 154
http://www.airdisaster.com/reports/ntsb/AAR93-02.pdf
17. Atlantic Southeast Airlines Flight 2311, April 5, 1991, Embraer EMB 120, 23
Dead, (Not equipped with a FDR)

18. United Airlines Flight 585, March 3, 1991, Boeing 737, 25 Dead, Fairchild Model
F-800 FDR, Serial Number: 4016
19. US Air Flight 1493, February 1, 1991, Boeing 737, 22 Dead, Sundstrand Model
FWUS FDR, Serial Number: 692
20. United Airlines Flight 232, July 19, 1989, McDonnell Douglas DC 10, 111 Dead,
Sundstrand Model 573 FDR, Serial Number: 2159
http://www.airdisaster.com/reports/ntsb/AAR90-06.pdf
21. Delta Air Lines Flight 1141, August 31, 1988, Boeing 727, 14 Dead, Lockheed
Model 109-D, FDR, Serial Number: 654
The only other instance of undocumented FDR serial numbers following a major U.S.
commercial aircraft crash within U.S. territory during this 20 year period, seems to be
a little known mishap that oddly, occurred on September 11, 1991, exactly 10 years
before the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks. This report also did not list a FDR
manufacturer or model number, possibly because the accident was immediately
determined to be the result of negligence on the part of aircraft maintenance
personnel.
24. Continental Express Flight 2574, September 11, 1991, EMB 120, 14 Dead, FDR
Manufacturer, Model & Serial Number Not Available.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_notable_accidents_and_incidents_on_...
PS: It seems that anything and every thing connected with 9/11 was Unique and
unprecedented (including election GWB the Great and Dick Cheney as Presidents &
Vice Presidents of USA)!!

Q275, Solving 9/11Mystery and Hollywood:
I think the only way to SOLVE the mystery of 9/11 and WTC Tower collapse is when
Hollywood decides to make a "realistic looking" film on 9/11!!
So far they have not made any movie on 9/11 which is based on "replicate models" of
WTC Towers and showing their collapse by jet impact and resulting fire.
The day they will try to make a "Scale Model" of 110 Storey Towers and simulate
their fall to their bases just by simple hit of Jet Airliner on its 64th or 80th floor and
resulting fire…..they will realize how foolish it was to believe in "official theory".
By no means imaginable, they will be able to bring down a “scale model of WTC 1, 2
and WTC-7” just thru Jet Strike and Jet Fuel and Office fire” untill they “weaken” the
pillars of Lower floor. This is a Challenge, which will bring to rest the collapse of
WTC Towers.
Why did not NIST made a scale model of WTC and showed their total collapse
during their “Full and Exhaustive Investigations”? They had shortage of money? I
don’t think Hollywood would have similar shortage of money or imagination?
Why American People are not DEMANDING Hollywood to make a Film on 9/11,
showing the collapse of WTC Towers with a "truly scale model"!!
Is it a bad suggestion?
How many will support me?
Q276, who="my kind of town"
The truth. 911 was the biggest mistake Islamic extremists ever
made.
Ans.
Truth, 9/11 was the costliest mistakes ever did by any one running after red herring.
Let us take accounts
A. What USA lost
1. Four Commercial Jets.
2. Two WTC Towers.
3. One WTC 7 Towers.
4. Damaged Pentagon Building and loss of important Military document.
5. Loss of 2000 + Civilians and 250 + Military offices on the eve of 9/11.

6. Loss of another 10,000 Military Personnel as death and 50,000 + as injured and
disabled during the twin wars on Iraq and Afghanistan.
7. Trillions of Dollars in direct War spending and as compensation to those killed and
injured.
8. Billions in health care and Insurance claims on WTC and related events.
9. Ruined economy and worst recession in US history (after 1929), with so many
banks and industrial units getting bust and so many unemployed. The cost could be in
trillions of dollar.
10. Loss of Billions of Dollars as direct investment from ME countries as they do not
view US as friendly country any more.
11. Loss of moral leadership of world after accusing Iraq of having WMD and starting
an illegal war.
12. Loss of civil liberties due to patriotism act and phone tapping…..security
personnel viewing their “private parts” due to full body scanners installed at all
airports .
13. Continuous living in fear and rumors of “another and more serious” terror attacks
due to “routine “ warnings issued by CIA, FBI and NSC, to scare pants off of normal
law abiding citizens.
14. Permanent rift between US and 1.5 Billion Muslims and 50 Muslim majority
country. No US citizen feels safe in this country.
15. Internal hatred within US between Muslims and Christians.
16. “guilt” feeling of doing coverup and not fully investigating real reasons for fall of
WTC towers. Always dodging difficult questions by becoming rhetoric and start
abusive language at those who ask these questions.
17. Charges of “incompetence and stupidity” as they are still unable to trace and arrest
“masterminds” of 9/11 attacks, Osama Bin Laden!!
These are some of the direct and indirect losses that US has suffered and shall
continue to suffer in years to come unless they change their attitude.
B. What USA gained?
1. Initial Military victory in Afghanistan (which was insignificant in itself, as there

was no match between them and Taliban).
2. Capturing and arresting 800 + “Hard Core Dreaded terrorists of Al Qaeda and
Taliban” and keeping them locked in GITMO for 9 years without any trial. This
move also backfired, because none of these were really “dreaded terrorist”. Many had

to be freed without pressing any charge. They are unable to answer any query
regarding abuse of “Human Rights” (the doctrine they swear by)
3. Installing of puppet regime in Afghanistan (after holding sham elections there) and
supporting it on crutches for past 9 or so years. Loss of respect from common Afghan
people due to constant killing of civilians in the gorilla warfare.
4. Military victory in Iraq (which was insignificant in world’s opinion as there was no
match).
5. Occupying that country with promise to turn it into a “shining example of

Democracy and Freedom In Entire ME (a move which totally backfired due to their
stupidity, incompetence and without doing any home work.).
5A. Their stupidity resulted in break up of Civil War in Iraq and resulted in upto a
Million death, the bulk of blame for this rests with USA as they were the people
responsible for maintaining Law and Order there.
6. Holding “sham” elections in Iraq and installing a puppet regime there, a move
which is totally against “democracy”. The “sham” government is highly unpopular in
Iraq and elsewhere as it has no authority and power of its own. It is more like
“Civilian Dictator ship”
7. Ignominy of “accepting” before the world that they could not find any WMD or
Chemical or Nuclear Weapon in Iraq, neither could substantiate charges of collusion
between Saddam and Al Qaeda.
8. Their friction with Iran, Yemen, Syria, Libya, Saudi Arabia and almost all countries
of ME, due to their actions in Iraq and Afghanistan and Pakistan.
C. What were loss and gains of Al Qaeda and Taliban:
1. Al Qaeda are as powerful as they were before 9/11 (if we accept warnings from US
Experts). They have branches in almost every country and can plan and do any thing
they want and when they want. The War on Terror has resulted only in multiplication
of terror.
2. Taliban are still alive and kicking. Their core leadership is alive and very much in
command. They were a militia before 9/11 and they are still a militia post 9/11.
3. They are getting more powerful by each passing day, and making life hard and
miserable for the US and NATO army present there.
4. There is writing on the wall, that they have to leave Afghanistan with empty hands
and with eggs on their faces (this is the prediction as on now, when Taliban are not
getting open support and aid from any country in the world. If any powerful country
start backing them up, life for US and NATO would become really hot there, same as
that of USSR in 80 s).

5. The concept of Jihad is as alive today as it was pre 9/11. Ten years are not small
time to judge effectivity of any drive. It seems that this drive against Jihad has only
made it more popular and looser are US and Europeans.
D. Who did the costly mistake?
1. In light of above, every one can see that who made the mistake and who took the
role of sucker?
2. If US was not so quick in coming to conclusion about 9/11, waited for full and
complete investigation of the whole operation, and THEN made a rightful move, they
had more chances of being successful.
3. By adopting this “Cowboy and Rambo” approach, they have played right into the
hands of “masterminds of 9/11”.
4. They cannot come out of that hole now, because they have to admit that they had
really been stupid and taken for a ride….which is not so easy for some one who
claims to be the “mastermind and Lone Superpower in the world”.
5. They would continue to simmer in their soup, till some one takes drastic measures
and calls off entire operation.
6. But would Media, War Mongers, Hate Mongers, Lobbyists, People with vested
interest allow them to do that?
Can it be done in a Democracy? I say NEVER!!
Q277, 9/11 A Lucky day for Terrorists?
Ans.
I am only dealing here with fall of WTC towers, and we have seen that it is not
possible to explain the fall purely on the basis of Laws of Science and Engineering.
Only way to explain the fall on the basis of “official version” is if we assume that
“9/11 being a special day, the laws of science had also taken a day off or were dosing
off….as were those people on whose shoulder was the responsibility of safety and
security of Mighty Nation of USA”.
If USSR had decided to launch a full fledged missile attack on USA on the ever of
9/11……they would certainly have caught the whole US defense system with their
pants down and taking a day off.
But from Terrorist’ point of view, 9/11 was a very “Lucky day”….such days only
come once in centuries!!
It seems all “Murphy’s Laws” were acting in favor of Terrorists. I mean “any thing
howsoever probable that could jeoperdise their mission will not happen and any thing
having remotest probabilities to assist the mission shall happen”

I think terrorists all over the world would be praying that they be given “one more day
like 9/11, …. when they could do any thing they want, without least suspicion , action
or resistance from Government authorities”
Let us look at those “lucky coincidences” that happened in favor of Terrorists on the
“lucky day of 9/11/2001”
1. Four Jet planes were hijacked in USA on the same day, within a few minutes of
each other, without any pilot raising alarm. None of the hijackers were carrying any
arms or explosives or any other known arm or ammunition. It is only guess work how
they hijacked the palnes.
1A. In any other country it could be termed as “incompetence or collusion by airport

security staff”……but saying or assuming anything like this for US airport staff is
Anathema, so we can say Terrorists just got “lucky”
2 Novice pilots, who had never flown these jets before, were able to change the route
and fly them to another city on their own.
2A. In any other countries we could have blamed ground staff with collusion, but
inside USA we can only say “A lucky day for Terrorists”
3. Aircrafts were flying off the course for 60 to 90 minutes and no one could detect
the change of route…….another “Lucky day for Terrorists”.
4. Hijackers, apparently, had no means to know that all four jets have been
successfully hijacked, because even if one hijacking was reported, the whole
operation would fail….but as usual it was a “Lucky day for all terrorist activities in
USA”.
5. Usually the jets should have stricken their targets in close succession, so that
authorities do not take defensive action….but in this case, there is a difference of 45
minutes between each strike…..but no one knew what to do….if terrorists had 50
planes hijacked, they could have hit 50 targets…..”what a lucky day for terrorists”
6. The only plane which could not reach the target, was not stopped by any US
authority, it was Heroic action of the passengers of the plane and not by any US Govt.
agency. So the terrorist were “lucky from US Govt. side but unlucky due to
passengers”.
7. The single jet strikes and resulting fire could not bring down any WTC tower on
any normal day…..but as usual “9/11 was a lucky day for terrorists, so WTC towers
also joined in their luck”.
8. What more WTC-7, an unconnected tower also collapsed, because as per “Popular
Mechanic” debris from WTC-1 & 2 fell on “One Critical Member of WTC-7” that
caused the building to collapse fully….another “Murphy Law” or “Lucky day for
Terrorists”

Bad Luck for Terrorists:
I must say there were a few “bad luck for terrorists, that helped authorities to identify
them
1. One was that Bags of Mohd. ATTA were the only bags that could not be loaded on
to the flight….so it gave “positive identification” to authorities about ATTA being on
the plane.
2. Terrorists were “dumb enough” to leave all drawings and plans of WTC buildings
in their computers.
Silly Idiots!! They forgot that their “Lucky days were only until Jet planes hit their
target”…..
Immediately after 9/11, all US agencies became once more Smart, Active , Efficient
and Fully Competent to defend US Motherland against all aggressions internal or
internal.
100 Minutes after 9/11 Strikes USA was once more the Mightiest Super Power the
Earth has ever seen.. Run of luck for Terrorist was over.
Down with Terrorism, Down with Al Qaeda, Down with Osama!! Long Live GWB,
Long Live Hypocrisy,
Q278, Mosque in WTC-2?
Ans.
Michael McElroy for The New York Times
Sinclair Hejazi Abdus-Salaam, now retired in Boca Raton, Fla., prayed at the trade
center.
By SAMUEL G. FREEDMAN
Published: September 10, 2010
1. Sometime in 1999, a construction electrician received a new work assignment from

his union. The man, Sinclair Hejazi Abdus-Salaam, was told to report to 2 World
Trade Center, the southern of the twin towers.
2. In the union locker room on the 51st floor, Mr. Abdus-Salaam went through a
construction worker’s version of due diligence. In the case of an emergency in the
building, he asked his foreman and crew, where was he supposed to reassemble? The
answer was the corner of Broadway and Vesey.
3. Over the next few days, noticing some fellow Muslims on the job, Mr. Abdus-

Salaam voiced an equally essential question: “So where do you pray at?” And so he
learned about the Muslim prayer room on the 17th floor of the south tower.
4. He went there regularly in the months to come, first doing the ablution known as
wudu in a washroom fitted for cleansing hands, face and feet, and then facing toward
Mecca to intone the salat prayer.
5. On any given day, Mr. Abdus-Salaam’s companions in the prayer room might
include financial analysts, carpenters, receptionists, secretaries and ironworkers.
There were American natives, immigrants who had earned citizenship, visitors
conducting international business — the whole Muslim spectrum of nationality and
race.
6. Leaping down the stairs on Sept. 11, 2001, when he had been installing ceiling
speakers for a reinsurance company on the 49th floor, Mr. Abdus-Salaam had a brief,
panicked thought. He didn’t see any of the Muslims he recognized from the prayer
room. Where were they? Had they managed to evacuate?
7. He staggered out to the gathering place at Broadway and Vesey. From that corner,
he watched the south tower collapse, to be followed soon by the north one.
Somewhere in the smoking, burning mountain of rubble lay whatever remained of the
prayer room, and also of some of the Muslims who had used it.
8. Given the vitriolic opposition now to the proposal to build a Muslim community
center two blocks from ground zero, one might say something else has been
destroyed: the realization that Muslim people and the Muslim religion were part of the
life of the World Trade Center.
9. Opponents of the Park51 project say the presence of a Muslim center dishonors the
victims of the Islamic extremists who flew two jets into the towers. Yet not only were
Muslims peacefully worshiping in the twin towers long before the attacks, but even
after the 1993 bombing of one tower by a Muslim radical, Ramzi Yousef, their
religious observance generated no opposition
10. “We weren’t aliens,” Mr. Abdus-Salaam, 60, said in a telephone interview from
Florida, where he moved in retirement. “We had a foothold there. You’d walk into the
elevator in the morning and say, ‘Salaam aleikum,’ to one construction worker and
five more guys in suits would answer, ‘Aleikum salaam.’ ”
11.One of those men in suits could have been Zafar Sareshwala, a financial executive
for the Parsoli Corporation, who went to the prayer room while on business trips from
his London office. He was introduced to it, he recently recalled, by a Manhattan
investment banker who happened to be Jewish.

12. “It was so freeing and so calm,” Mr. Sareshwala, 47, said in a phone conversation
from Mumbai, where he is now based. “It had the feel of a real mosque. And the best
part is that you are in the epicenter of capitalism — New York City, the World Trade
Center — and you had this island of spiritualism. I don’t think you could have that
combination anywhere in the world.”
13.How, when and by whom the prayer room was begun remains unclear. Interviews
this week with historians and building executives of the trade center came up empty.
Many of the Port Authority’s leasing records were destroyed in the towers’ collapse.
The imams of several Manhattan mosques whose members sometimes went to the
prayer room knew nothing of its origins.
14. Moreover, the prayer room was not the only example of Muslim religious
practice in or near the trade center. About three dozen Muslim staff members of
Windows on the World, the restaurant atop the north tower, used a stairwell between
the 106th and 107th floors for their daily prayers.
15. During Ramadan, the Muslim employees brought their favorite foods from home,
and at the end of the daylight fast shared their iftar meal in the restaurant’s employee
cafeteria.
16. Fekkak Mamdouh, an immigrant from Morocco who was head waiter, attended a
worship service just weeks after the attacks that honored the estimated 60 Muslims
who died. Far from being viewed as objectionable, the service was conducted with
formal support from city, state and federal authorities, who arranged for buses to
transport imams and mourners to Warren Street.
17. There, within sight of the ruins, they chanted salat al-Ghaib, the funeral prayer
when there is not an intact corpse. “It is a shame, shame, shame,” Mr. Mamdouh, 49,
said of the Park51 dispute. “Sometimes I wake up and think, this is not what I came to
America for. I came here to build this country together. People are using this issue for
their own agenda. It’s designed to keep the hate going.”
PS: Posted with no Comments- MUQ
Q279, Who= Robert-2
I agree. Islam should do the same, if they followed your doctrine,

there would have been no 9/11. Unfortunately, those guys chose to
Target America. We will now go wherever Jihad is, and strike them
down. Islam MADE this a war. They better be prepared for the
consequences.
Ans.
First of all , you cannot blame 9/11 on all Muslims.

Second thing is that 9/11 has not been investigated impartially and in details that it
required. US has become Prosecutor, Judge and Executioner in one stroke.
There are many evidences that events of 9/11 were not as simple as it looked. It was a
deep rooted conspiracy and its purpose was to place a permanent wedge between US
and Muslim nations and it has achieved its purpose.
The forces and persons who planned and executed 9/11 are still at large and US is
running after red herrings.
US is fighting Jihad, wherever it finds or suspects to find it, wasting its energies and
resources and the end result will be wastage and suffering for its own people and for
other people.
That is not the right approach. If 9/11 was done by some people, they only should be
punished and no one else.
How was Iraq and Saddam connected with 9/11?
Why did US invade Iraq? Where was Jihad in iraq before US attacked it and
occupied it? Is US not responsible for starting Jihad activity in Iraq?
Q280, who="iMonk"
Your lame 9/11 conspiracy theories don't change the fact that
radical Islamic fanatics murdered over 3,000 innocent human
beings on 9/11.
My youngest daughter was in midtown Manhattan on 9/11/2001.

The hatred stills burns in my heart and mind for revenge. Go to
your Taliban friends and strap on some explosives. I cheer when I
hear how many of them die everyday.
Ans.
I was asking basic and simple questions about 9/11. Instead of laying charges and
claims you should first answer them.
I repeat them again for your benefit:
Q-1. Why did NONE of the four Pilots and Co-Pilots reported that their planes were
hijacked?
Q-2. How could 19 hijackers, so quickly and so silently were able to overpower 8 able
bodied Americans, so that they could not raise any alarm. After all plane hijackings
are not such a rare events that pilots and co-pilots are not trained as to what to do.

Q-3. What arms these 19 hijackers used to hijack these planes so easily. They were
not carrying any conventional arms….unless of course security officers at Airports let
them pass!!
Q-4 Even if the pilots and co pilots in ALL THE FOUR planes were decapitated so
quickly that they did not raise any alarm, what about the REST of Crew Members in
all the FOUR planes. Why none of the Crew members noticed some thing was fishy
and why they did not raise alarm. I assume these Modern American Manufactured
Jetliners were have Satellite phones, why NONE of the Crew members used them and
sent message to their HO pronto?
Please provide your answers to these questions, before we can say who was
responsible for 9/11.
Q281, who="Rick Moss "
How does a Jew-hating nut-job begin an "investigation of 9/11"? He

starts be ignoring the jets crashing into the planes photographed by
thousands of cameras. Then he pretends he didn't hear the
recordings of the hijackers on the radio screaming "Allahu Akbar".
Next, the conveniently omits the fact that Bin Laden, Al Qaeda and
the Taliban all freely admit to and brag constantly about planning
and executing the terror attacks.
Once that ground-work is laid, they completely ignore EVERY single

terror attack since that was conducted by Muslims and focus instead
on websites that argue about the colour of the sparks coming off
the building and argue if steel can be weakened at 800 degrees or
799 degrees. They obsess like "Star Trek" fans over how long it
would take a piece of aluminum to fall.
Ans.
I asked you to go to Internet and search for Truth about 9/11 sites…
Instead of doing that, you started fantasying and given your own color to these events.
Most of people on these threads are Non Muslims; they are professional Engineers,
Scientists, Structural Engineers, Fire Fighters and other extremely qualified people.
When they saw and analyzed the WTC collapse and collapse of WTC 7, they realized
that some thing was missing in the picture. The laws of science, engineering and
structural engineering were not to be followed if we accept the Official version.
They started asking questions and the more questions they asked the more evasive
were the answers and that is how this movement to know about the truth of 9/11 got
momentum.

You should refute their claims and findings by logic and reason and not just by
rhetoric, because rhetoric are no answers at all.
Let me ask you some FUNDAMENTAL questions regarding this event:
1. First of all why NONE of the Hijackings were reported by ANY of the FOUR
Pilots or Co Pilots? What sort of weapons these hijackers used to STUN these eight
able bodied Americans? If you have any INFORMATION, please post it.
Do not just give your INTERPRETATION….This is the First step to know truth
about 9/11 – Lesson No 1
Q282, who="my kind of town"
The United States did not build a model to understand Pearl Harbor.
Japan did not need a "model" to understand Hiroshima. Dresden
citizens know what happened to them. 911 is not a question in the
minds of the majority of the world..
.only for the few who try to wriggle out of the consequences of the
worst mistake jihadists ever made. Americans are not confused
bout Islamic terrorism.
Ans.
NO One doubted that Pearl Harbor was done by Japanese. (in Japan and USA to be
precise). Japan in fact declared war of USA before going ahead with Pearl Harbor
attack.
No One doubted that USA dropped those Bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. (again
in USA and Japan to be precise). Japan and USA were already in a state of war then.
But 9/11 was totally different....people were doubting from the VERY FIRST DAY if
fall of WTC towers was only due to jet strike and fire.
There is no scientific evidence to prove it.
They only point at TV screens and say "here is the proof".
This controversy can be set at rest by making "True Scale Model 1/20 or 1/50 or 1/10"
and simulate Jet strike and Jet Fire and watch the collapse in slow motion.
Since on 9/11 it happened in 2 out 2 cases ....
If they could achieve it in 1 out of 100 True Scale Models....I will forever leave all
these threads!!
And if they are able to simulate fall of WTC 7 just from falling debris of WTC 1 & 2
in 1 out of 1000 true scale Models, I will do the same!!

Unless they say that "it was pure luck which those terrorists had on that special day
which is called 9/11".
And our future generations would ask, "why our forefathers were such fools, that they
did not make scale models of WTC Towers and laid to rest all doubts"!!
And these doubts are not raised by only Muslims.
Most people behind 9/11 Truth Movement are Non Muslims and they are educated,
professional people and not laymen.
They are raising valid Technical Questions and Scientific Reasons against “Official
Version”
Why in democracy their voices are not heard?
Q283 Who is really responsible for 9/11?
Ans.
I was asking basic and simple questions about 9/11. Instead of laying charges and
claims you should first answer them.
I repeat them again for your benefit:
A. First Batch:
Q-1. Why did NONE of the four Pilots and Co-Pilots reported that their planes were
hijacked?
Q-2. How could 19 hijackers, so quickly and so silently were able to overpower 8 able
bodied Americans, so that they could not raise any alarm. After all plane hijackings
are not such a rare events that pilots and co-pilots are not trained as to what to do.
Q-3. What arms these 19 hijackers used to hijack these planes so easily. They were
not carrying any conventional arms….unless of course security officers at Airports let
them pass!! Any why these “Fool Proof” plane hijacking technique is not used in past
10 years to hijack other planes?
Q-4 Even if the pilots and co pilots in ALL THE FOUR planes were decapitated so
quickly that they did not raise any alarm, what about the REST of Crew Members in
all the FOUR planes. Why none of the Crew members noticed some thing was fishy
and why they did not raise alarm. I assume these Modern American Manufactured
Jetliners were have Satellite phones, why NONE of the Crew members used them and
sent message to their HO pronto?
Please provide your answers to these questions, before we can say who was
responsible for 9/11.

B. Second Batch:
Q-5. How did the Hijackers KNEW that all the FOUR planes have been hijacked
successfully? What sort of Inter Communication they had aboard those Jetliners?
Even if any one of the four hijackings would have failed to materialize the WHOLE
plan would have gone waste? Did hijackers work only on ASSUMPTION that all
planes have been hijackers successfully, or it did not matter one way or other? How
some one planning for such a project for years would miss such an obvious flaw?
Q-6. How did the hijackers, who were only novice pilots could fly and manure these
Jumbo jets without any training and with both Pilots and Co Pilots decapitated? If
flying and maneuvering these Jets is so easy that even novice pilots with just passing
from local flying clubs can do it, then they should not pay those commercial pilots
such high salaries!!
Q-7 Then the question comes, why the change of routes of NONE of the FOUR
Jetliners were detected by Ground Radar staff? Some jets flew in almost opposite
directions for close to 90 minutes. Do you mean to say that US airspace is so much
uncontrolled that no one knows which plane is flying in which direction, then US is in
lots and lots of trouble.
Q-8 How did these Novice pilots navigated these planes from one place to another
place without any professional help. Did they say, OK Manhattan Island is in East, so
let us just follow sun and Washington is North east, so let us flow 45 Degree to the
sun!! It is amazing for these FOUR AMATEUR PILOTS to navigate all at once.
Q-8A. Those in knowledgeable circles think that to manure a Commercial Jetliner to

Hit Pentagon Building was not an easy job even for very expert pilots, how could
novice pilots flying this hijacked plane for the FIRST Time, could do that, that too
undetected by any one on ground is simply amazing.
C. Third Batch:
Q-9. Why there was time gap between four Jet striking their targets? Usually when
some one plans such operations, they synchronize their watches, and decide that they
will reach their target at such and such time. This gives little time for the authorities
to realize what has happened. Here at one location itself WTC Tower, there was gap
of around 45 minutes between one plane and second plane hitting.
Q-10. How did Hijackers KNEW that people have not realized that first WTC hit
itself is a Terrorist attack and how come Pentagon strike came almost 45 minutes after
second WTC strike?
Q-11 How they were sure that US has not realized the danger by now? It seems if
they had fifty planes, they could have hit fifty targets as they wished? It seems that
they left MOST of things to chance, this is not expected fro an organization which
took years and years to plan this operation. Unless of course they KNEW that they
have Inside support and those in authority would look the other way and each and
every CRITICAL Juncture.

Q-12. Then why NONE of those responsible for Safety and security of Airports and
Navigation were held responsible and why EVERYONE was exonerated by a simple
stroke of SYSTEM FAILURE? There seems to be some SOFT CORNER from
people at highest authorities to shield the guilty parties. All except Al Qaeda of
course!!
Q284, who="Arbitgeur"
Back to your "ideology", now, after avoiding my earlier line of

questioning on the matter.
I must continue, although you will certainly avoid any specifics, and
employ your ambiguous sweeping generalizations.
I see, on your one hand, that "ideology" supposedly cannot be

fought with force, and on the other that those who have invaded
Afghanistan now have no ideology of their own. You have now
upped the ante.
..
Has this ideology versus ideology inherent in Afghanistan's civil

wars ever been peaceful, or has it always employed your "naked
force"?
You know, forceful ideologies fighting forceful ideologies without the

influence of foreign lack of ideology.
Ans.
You have confused the issue knowingly or unknowingly.

Before starting Afghan operation, your media painted the picture that Taliban have
terrorized the whole Afghan population and the moment they were removed from
power, Afghan people would jump into the “western bandwagon of Freedom
from religion” (The same faulty logic they assumed for post Saddam Iraq).
But even after removing Taliban from power (with the real help from Northern
Alliance, other wise US and NATO forces had to suffer heavy casualties)……
your forces are yet to win the hearts of Afghan people…..they see in your daily
bombardments and drone attacks and killings……your scant regards for their
culture and their religion.
And that s why they are turning against you and Taliban are getting stronger and
stronger….
I want to know why? What did US and NATO did for the development of
Afghanistan (which they promised in bold letters before start of Operation)…..the
same story of Iraqi development after fall of Saddam is repeated here.
What wrong I did is assuming that US and NATO have no ideology to fight back
Taliban and their ideology……they only ASSUME that once Taliban are
removed, Afghan would tumble back to their side….. same mistake which
EVERY Invader did in past 200 years!!
It were only Muslims who invaded and were able to win the hearts of Afghan people
by inviting them into their religion as an equal partner!!
I doubt that even if 100 % of Afghan people become Christians (God Forbid)…they
will get the same rights as “White European Christians”…..because Christianity as a
religion has become “color sensitive”!
Q285, Why I call GWB as “GWB the Great”
Ans.
Many people have questioned and even objected, why I nicknamed GWB as “GWB
the Great”. I think I owe them a clarification.
Who is “Great” and why we call some one as Great?
I think that some one who does a very difficult or nearly impossible thing deserves to
be called as Great. And Great people in history are those who leave their legacy for a
long time to come. People are affected by their deeds for a long time and remember
them long after they are gone.
Alexander the Great, Ashok the Great, Genghis Khan the Great come in that category.
Many Great people are known for their Good deeds and their Positive contributions
while some may be known for their “Greatness in the negative sense”

Hitler the Great, Stalin the Great and GWB the Great come in the category who are
and will be long remembered for the “Negative things and for the damages they did to
their nation and world at large”!!
Since our topic in GWB the Great, let me give some of the act of “greatness” done by
this “worthy son of USA”.
1. Getting elected in 2000 election without securing majority of Popular Vote:
Only a great man can win election of US Presidentship without securing Majority of
Popular Vote. GWB did it thru US courts and not thru voting process.
So even before he became US president, he showed how “resourceful” he was and

how he could manipulate US election system thru judiciary.
2 . Interpreting his cowardice as Heroics on 9/11 eve:
GWB was dead scared on 9/11 and went underground for fear of his life. Later he
used that opportunity to show “What Great sacrifice he did to US by continuing to be
US president”. Another act of greatness to bamboozle us general public.
3. . Mobilizing US population for Afghanistan war without completing 9/11

investigation:
This was another act of greatness that with half and self baked proves, he mobilized
whole nation for attack on Afghanistan. Before attacking any nation, you must have
iron clad proofs as to who is actually responsible for the crimes.
Investigations about 9/11 crime took many years but US had already attacked an
independent nation. That “shoot first think later” job can be done by a Great man and
GWB the Great did it with flying colors.
4. Changing Course of War on Terror midway to attack Iraq on false charges:
This was another Great Hat Trick by this Great man. After 9/11, it was evident that
what GWB and whole US wanted was Osama dead or alive (better dead than alive,
because dead men do not speak and open secrets). But once Taliban was removed
from Power and some one “informed” GWB the Great that there is no oil in
Afghanistan….he forgot all about Osama and Al Qaeda and WTC and Pentagon and
3000 dead….
He fooled the whole US population that real threat to US was Iraq and not Osama!!
He painted grim picture of Saddam having WMD, Nuclear capability, Missile
capability ….so much so that every one in US was ‘dead sacred” about Iraq and
agreed to launch full attack on Iraq to take revenge about 9/11!!
Only a Great man can do it and so did our GWB the Great.
5. Systematic Destruction of Iraq and get away from it without taking any
blame:

GWB and his cronies systematically dismantled Iraqi Army, Police Force its
administrative machinery and wanted to “rebuilt Iraq from Scratch”.. As usual they
messed up the whole operation….because they had no knowledge about Iraq and its
society.
Iraq was run for two years with “amateurs just fresh from college”…..this resulted in
eruption of civil war in Iraq with upto 1 million deaths…
But GWB the Great went Scot Free….and put all the blame on those “cursed Iraqis”
…only an Evil Great man could do it and our GWB did it and passed with flying
colors!!
6. Re-election in 2004:
It would have been impossible for any one which such a poor record in the past four
years to get re-elected. But GWB the Great did it and that shows his true Greatness.
He used all his mistakes as his plus points and used patriotic and nationalistic cards in
such a way that US voters got mesmerized and re-elected him for another four years!!
I think the person most surprised would have been GWB himself? How could he be
re-elected with such a poor record?
His re-lection would make a permanent dark spot of US system of democracy and
voting…..but that is why we call him GWB the Great!!
7. damaging US economy:
His parting gift to nation was the collapse of US banking and Stock markets in his
closing days…..but he is called great, because he left it for the next President to
handle it and not him (and he knew that new President would be a Democrat, so he
has to wash his dirty linen and not his party!!). Republicans would be back after 2012
election.
A real genius indeed!!
8. Causing Permanent rift between US and 1.5 Billion Muslims:
By using 9/11 incident as a cover up, under GWB the Great US became a “natural
enemy” to 1.5 Billion Muslims. The damage done by him would not be easy to
repair. It would take 100 or more years for it to be removed properly. So far next 100
years people would remember GWB the Great…and that is one reason why some one
is called Great!!
Who remembers Ford? Or Carter? Or senior Bush?
9. Honorable Retirement after all these “Positive” Results:

Any one with so much damage done to US tax payer, US army, US economy and US
image deserved a trial and life time imprisonment (in Korea they hanged a former
Vice President for a much lesser crime of Bribe taking)….or at least getting a “shoe
treatment” on every street corner…
But our Hero, GWB the Great got away with all these criminal acts and went into
“Honorable retirement” with his Vice president still in “belligerent mood” and likely
to win the 2012 Presidentship. The man who should be in GITMO prison is given
protection by Mighty US army, Navy, Air Force, NASA, CIA, FBI and every other
government agency.
Who can doubt his Greatness…..how else you cam measure Greatness?
I think every one in US should shale hand with this Great Man…..he can say to his
grandchildren…I did shake hands with the Greatest Crook and Greatest terrorist of
Out time!!
But this can only happen in USA? Because USA is a Great country…..and a Great
Country means that you should be in vice like grips of Jews and Zionists…and US
has that Necessary Quality!!
Q286, who="iGONZO"]
bout 30 years from now the free world will finally and rightfully look
back and thank GW BUSH for standing in the way of IRAN, via
IRAQ. Squashing their early attempts at taking over most of the
Mediterranean as a part of the Axis of Evil.
The same Axis of Evil that is tying up BaHACK OBUMMA right now
with their antics. IRAN and N. KOREA need to be addressed and
soon. GW BUSH warned us. Don't let that lead go to waste.
Ans.
Thirty years from now, Majority of US people would look at the Presidency of GWB
the Great as the darkest Chapter in Modern US history.
The new generations will ask their fathers and grandfathers, what duped you people
into re electing the lying cheating duos of GWB and the Dick Cheney....I doubt any
one will be honest enough to say "I voted for their re-election"!!
The Invasion of Iraq on false charges and its occupation would be a permanent blot on
US conscience, a hole from where they will never come out.
That year marked the end of US position as defender of freedom and moral values of
the free world.
I do not make predictions, but to me it seems that Invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq
are the death kneel in the coffin of USA as the Great Super Power of this earth.

They have lost the moral authority to be representattive of Free world by these
invasions.
It is just like USSR, their invasion of Afghanistan in 1949 , lost them their position as
"natural allies" of poor and down trodden people....and they could never recover their
status and it finally led to the break up of mighty USSR.
The fall of nations usually start when they think that they have reached the summit of
their achievements and there is no power on the earth to stand in their ways.
Fortunately or unfortunately USA has reached that position and from now on there is
down hill journey all the way!!
The writings are on the wall....only White House occupants and Think Tanks of
Mighty USA are unable to read them.
The Presidency of GWB the Great was the starting point of decline of USA...first as a
moral force....then as an economic powerhouse....and finally as a military superpower.
Read decline and fall of Roman Empire by Gibbons and find parallel with US history
in it.
Q287, Gunman kills eight, then himself in US shooting
Tuesday, 03 Aug, 2010
NEW YORK: A disgruntled worker went on a shooting rampage Tuesday at a

beer distribution firm in Connecticut, killing eight people before turning the gun
on himself, police and local media said.
Officers were called to the scene at Hartford Distributors in Manchester, Connecticut

shortly after 7:30 am (1130 GMT) at the time of a shift change, with 35 to 40 people
inside.
“There were nine individuals, including the suspect, who were killed during the
shooting,” said a Manchester police statement. We are presently in the process of
trying to identify the victims and make notifications to family members.”
The shooter, who local media reports said had been called in by managers for a
disciplinary hearing, was found dead some 40 minutes later after having shot a total of
10 people then himself.
Two wounded were transported to a local hospital and “expected to survive,” the
police statement said. -AFP

Q288, US man charged with stabbing cabbie for being Muslim

PTI, Aug 26, 2010, 02.53pm IST
NEW YORK: A Muslim cab driver was stabbed several times by a New York man
after being asked "are you Muslim", according to New York City cops, who arrested
21-year-old Michael Enright on Tuesday.
Ahmed H Sharif of Queens was stabbed several times by Michael Enright, after
Enright had asked Sharif if he was Muslim and the cabbie responded that he was, a
police spokesman said.
The attack comes at a time when the majority of Americans are opposing the building
of a proposed Islamic Centre near the World Trade Centre.
Enright has been charged with attempted second-degree murder as a hate crime and is
awaiting arraignment.
Sharif issued a statement yesterday warning his fellow cabbies about the tense
environment in the city.
"Right now the public sentiment is very serious" he said, as quoted by USA Today.
All drivers should be more careful. Sharif received stab wounds to his arms, throat
and face.
"I have been here more than 25 years. I have been driving a taxi more than 15 years.
All my four kids were born here. I never feel this hopeless and insecure before," he
said.
Enright was drunk when he stepped into the cab, according to police officials.
A student of the School of Visual Arts in Manhattan, he recently returned from

Afghanistan where he was making a film on the US Marines.
Some of Enright's friends said that he had a problem with alcohol and was prone to
bizarre behaviour.
"I have no idea about his current condition but I have been following the story all day.
What I can say about Mike is that he is without question a troubled person with a bad,
bad drinking problem," said one of his classmates according to Talking Points Memo.
"He was my best friend's roommate in freshman year and would drink till he blacked
out every single night," he said.
"I remember on election night 2008 we were all downstairs outside of the dorm
screaming and celebrating at Obama's victory and Mike came outside with tears
streaming down his face".

Another friend said that he had past problem with alcohol but was recovering.
"I'm not sure when he picked up drinking again. I saw him after he had gotten back
from Afghanistan from filming his doc, he was happy to be back and had fond
memories of the Afghan children," the second classmate said.
Enright's conversation with Sharif started out friendly, with Enright asking the cabbie
where he was from, how long he had been in America, if he was Muslim and if he
was observing Ramadan, according to the statement from the Taxi Workers Alliance,
as reported by USA Today.
He then shouted 'Assalamu Alaikum', before pulling out the knife and slashing Sharif
across the neck and stabbing several more times as Sharif tried to knock it out of
Enright's hands, the alliance said.
Q289, who=" KSF”]
Will set aside your ridiculous suggestions about 9-11 (some guys
flew planes into some buildings and that was that!), but on your last
point....of course they already had plans in place.
Every competent military force makes contingency plans for every

eventuality. And the US is more competent than most. I'd be
surprised if they didn't have plans ready for attacks or invasions of
Australia and the UK - probably their two closest allies.
That doesn't mean such plans would likely ever be needed, just that
it is sensible to be ready for any eventuality. You can be sure they
will have a plan ready to wipe your place off the map if they every
feel the need to do so.
Ans.
Yet the same people who have Contingency plans to invade each and every country of
the world…were caught with their pants down on the eve of 9/11!!
They were so busy in making contingency plans to attack every country on the world
that they forgot attack on their “own Pentagon” by a band of “amateurs flying
commercial jets”!!
I hope that they give more attention to their own country than about each and every
other country in the world!!
What is strange is that every dept of US Govt. is ready to take any blame of
“Incompetence, stupidity and negligence and dereliction of duty…and whatever else
charge is brought against them” (so long as they are not being punished for those
charges), for 9/11 incident.

But from 9/12 onwards….they will fight tooth and nail even the smallest charge that
has bearing on their competence, professionalism and their efficiency… They will
drag you before court and harass you in whatever way they think fit, till you
apologise.
Only exception they make is for 9/11….a Special and lucky day for Terrorists….if
they had 1000 persons they could have hijacked 100 planes and had hit any target any
where in USA!!
This is what Media propaganda and false sense of Patriotism and Nationalism does
to you!!
No one is even considering of making a scale model of WTC Towers and demonstrate
their collapse as we saw on the eve of 9/11!!
Really 9/11 was a special day for USA…..when almost EVERY Grown up man
behaved like little children…and what is strange they still behave like little children
when 9/11 investigation issue is raised!!
They point to their TV Screens and say “See, See, that is how it happened, don’t you
see Al Qaeda people flying those planes? Don’t you see their beards? Their Saudi
Passports visible thru the Air Plane Glass window!!
Q290, US general in Afghan war at risk of losing his job
By ANNE GEARAN and JENNIFER LOVEN, Associated Press Writers Anne

Gearan And Jennifer Loven, Associated Press Writers – 2 hrs 15 mins ago
WASHINGTON – President Barack Obama rebuked his Afghanistan war commander

for "poor judgment" Tuesday and considered whether to fire him in the most
extraordinary airing of military-civilian tensions since Harry Truman stripped Gen.
Douglas MacArthur of his command a half-century ago.
Gen. Stanley McChrystal is prepared to submit his resignation at a meeting with

Obama on Wednesday at the White House, two military officials said, speaking on
condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak publicly.
Obama summoned McChrystal to explain disparaging comments about his

commander in chief and Obama's top aides. The meeting was a last-ditch moment for
the general once considered the war's brightest hope. ..
"I think it's clear that the article in which he and his team appeared showed a poor —
showed poor judgment," the president said, surrounded by members of his Cabinet at
the close of their meeting. "But I also want to make sure that I talk to him directly
before I make any final decisions."
The eruption comes as the war and public support for it are at a tipping point, a
perilous time to change military leadership. A majority of Americans now say the war

is probably not worth fighting, and Defense Secretary Robert Gates has said that
public dissatisfaction means the U.S.-led international coalition must show progress
this year.
And he was quoted joking that he doesn't recognize Vice President Joe Biden's name.
As support for the general drained in Washington, the showdown was set to take place
in two parts — as part of Obama's regular monthly war meeting, in which McChrystal
usually participates by videoconference, and a separate discussion with Obama in the
Oval Office.
A crucial military push to pacify the Taliban heartland in southern Afghanistan is

going more slowly that McChrystal had planned, and showing fewer solid results.
Marines in Helmand Province are in near-daily firefights, months after a push there
was supposed to clear out the bulk of Taliban fighters.
McChrystal has spent the past several weeks arguing that the U.S.-led military effort
is gaining momentum against the Taliban, while Gates argued for time to show that
McChrystal's many changes in strategy and tactics can succeed.
McChrystal publicly apologized Tuesday for using "poor judgment" in the magazine
interviews, words echoed later by
McChrystal will also meet separately with Gates, who issued a stern scolding to
McChrystal on Tuesday that contains no endorsement for him to remain in his job.
Gates hand-picked McChrystal to take over the war last year, calling him a driven
visionary with the guts and smarts to turn the war around. Obama fired the previous
commander at Gates' recommendation.
Military leaders rarely challenge their commander in chief publicly and when they do,
consequences tend to be more severe than a scolding.
McChrystal has a history of drawing criticism, despite his military achievements.
Obama called him on the carpet last fall for speaking too bluntly about his desire for
more troops. (Abridged)
Q291, Six dead after argument over eggs

By QMI Agency
Kentucky man went on a shooting rampage that left six people dead after arguing with
his wife about how she cooked his breakfast eggs, reports say.
Stanley Neace, 47, killed his wife, stepdaughter and three neighbors in a Mount
Carmel, Ky., trailer park Saturday, then turned the gun on himself as police arrived,
the Lexington Herald-Leader reported.
Britain's Telegraph newspaper, quoting Kentucky State Police, said Neace chased his
wife through the trailer park in his pajamas, firing dozens of shots from a 12-gauge
shotgun before cornering her in a neighbor’s mobile home.

Kentucky police identified the victims as Sandra Neace, 54; her daughter Sandra
Strong, 28; neighbours Dennis Turner, 31; Teresa Fugate, 30; and Tammy Kilborn,
40.
Neighbors told the Herald-Leader they heard shots and screams, then saw Stanley
Neace chasing Sandra Neace around a Jeep, shooting out the vehicle's windows.
Sandra Neace ran to Turner's mobile home, and Stanley Neace followed. There he
killed Sandra Neace, Sandra Strong, Turner and Fugate, who was visiting Turner, the
Herald-Leader said.
Breathitt County Deputy Coroner Mitch Smith told the newspaper two of the women
were killed in a back bedroom and Turner and one of the women were killed in a
bathtub. They were clothed, he said, and Turner was on top of the woman, perhaps
trying to shield her.
"There was really nowhere to hide," Smith said. "Literally, all the witnesses are dead."
Two neighbors said one of Fugate's young children ran out of that mobile home and
into Tammy Kilborn's home.
Kilborn hid the child in a bathroom, but Stanley Neace, who had followed the child,
shot Kilborn in a hallway of her home, the Herald-Leader said.
State police said they have not established a motive for the rampage, but the Herald-
Leader and other Kentucky newspapers quoted a relative of several of the victims
saying Stanley Neace became enraged because Sandra Neace cooked his eggs in a
way that displeased him.
Residents of the trailer park said the entire incident, from the initial argument to
Neace's suicide, lasted about an hour.
Trailer park landlord Ray Rastegar said he had begun the process of evicting Neace
because the unemployed man had become increasingly hostile to neighbours in recent
months, the Herald-Leader reported.
Rastegar said Neace had lived in the trailer park for about seven years.
Neighbour Steve Smith told the Herald-Leader Nease and his wife had been arguing
for a week, but he didn't know why.
"He's been trouble ever since he's been here. He's always been trouble," Smith said.
PS: Can any one guess what would have been Media Reaction if the person was
having a Muslim Sounding Name?- MUQ

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DIALOG WITH NON MUSLIMS ON

FAQ ABOUT ISLAM

In the name of Allah, the Most Graceful, the Most Merciful.

1. First Volume, published on, 13th Oct 2008, http://www.scribd.com/doc/13103050/

2. Second Volume, published on 14th March 2009,

3. Third Volume, published on 16th May 2009. http://www.scribd.com/doc/15492127/

4. Fourth Volume, published on 15th Aug 2009,

5. Fifth Volume, published on 11th Sept 2009, http://www.scribd.com/doc/22247840/

6. Sixth Volume, published on 3rd March 2010,

As I had mentioned in my preface to earlier volumes, that I have abridged the

Chapter-1 Dealing with Atheism and related topics, Q-1 to -Q26

Chapter-2 Dealing With Christianity and related Topics, Q27 TO Q62

Chapter-4 Dealing with Islam (Laws and Practices), Q 101 to Q 154

Chapter -5 Dealing with Islam (Quran and Prophet) Q 155 to Q 198

Chapter -6 Dealing with Jews and Israel Q 199 to Q 233

Chapter -7 Dealing with Misc. Subjects Q 234 to Q 265

Chapter -8 Dealing with Violence and Terrorism Q, 266 to Q 291

The purpose of presenting these questions and answers of SCRIBD is to preserve

(On Atheism and Related subjects)

Q.1 How Nature proves existence of Creator?

More on NATURE and NATURAL phenomenon:

- Its boiling point is 100 o C at atmospheric Pressure

- Its freezing point is 0 o C at atmospheric pressure..

- It is a great dissolving agent unparalleled compared to any other liquid etc.

Q.2 How can we “See” the Creator with our eyes?

Seeing with eyes

Keeping their Eyes Open:

Other Navigational Aids:

Q-3. Does Creator Exist? Is there any proof? (From Really)

So the first point which I want to ask is this:

Is it possible for any thing to exist without any Creator?

Let us receive your answer on this, before we move to next step.

Q.4. Can Nature Exist without Creator?

All these questions underscore the fundamental problem with

One argument I always hear from non-atheists is that the universe

A. Creation Versus Creator

B. Who Created the Creator:

If this is understood by our Atheist, their main worry will be solved.

C. Faulty Concept of God in Judaism and Christianity:

In Christianity the purity of God ‘s Personality is compromised by this unexplainable

D. Talking with Atheist

Q.5: Proof of Creator from Animal Kingdom

Man and Animal Kingdom:

1. Cattle or Domestic Animals:

Now let us see, what benefits we derive from them

2. Who subjected these Animals to humans?

3. This is the handiwork of Common Creator of Humans and Animals:

Q-6. Proof of Creator from Vegetable Kingdom

Q.7 Sea Water Desalination, Human verses Creator

Sea water Desalination and Transportation:

A. Human Designed Systems:

a. World’s Largest Desalination Plant:

4. Jubail plant is a dual purpose plane, it produces 1500 MW of Electricity using 16

1. Maintenance challenges are no less formidable than Operations, there is close to

D. Modifications and Upgrades:

C. Operational Life of plant:

This is another aspect of the plant.

2. Much Money is spent during life extension projects, like:

- Concrete Structures and foundation of major equipment.

And hundreds of similar projects.

E. Another System for Desalination and Transmission over large distances:

As some one who is in Production and Transmission of Desalinated Water…..I can