On misunderstanding meanings of

“being argumentative”, “arguments”,

and “debates” added on June 7 2017—
after an initial attempt was made on
June 6 2019—and it was deleted… by
some of these people who don’t want
people that I started standing out long
time ago—because they want me to
keep teaching them things as they
pretend… or I die without people
knowing that I have already served the
world more than an individual should
do…….

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---------- Original message ----------
From: <omara44@mchsi.com>
Date: Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 1:11 AM
Subject: Re: Bank Account Statement of November, 2013 - Questions
To: cogole@gmail.com
Cc: Florence Ocen <ocen_florence@yahoo.com>, Betty Odero <crcf1@yahoo.com>,
Sarah Alobo <alobo_sarah@yahoo.com>, Kenneth Otim <k.otim01@gmail.com>, Edisa
Engola Kema <edisa1@gmail.com>, Patrick Okullu <peboo@me.com>, Hudson Ayo
<ecapitalfunds@yahoo.com>, Odyek Agona <oagona@hotmail.com>, Charles Owot
<owotc@yahoo.com>, Alex Atim <atimalex@hotmail.com>, Ben Magomu Wacha
<bmwacha@outlook.com>, Tom Opito <opito.tom@gmail.com>, Morris Otim
<morrisotim005@gmail.com>, “Owiny Otim” <otimowin@yahoo.com>, "“Robert M.
Okello”" <okello_robert@yahoo.com>, “Mary Ajuga” <ajugamary@yahoo.com>, “Betty
Pulle” <adiyo1@verizon.net>, Daniel Oming <dkikonde@gmail.com>, Margaret Jato
<mlagulu@hotmail.com>, Charles Emer <charlesemer@gmail.com>, Mildred Amony
Omara <mildred.omara@yahoo.com>, Engola Omodi <mamaelder9@gmail.com>,
Helen Apio <rosehelly@yahoo.com>, Hon Sam Bhoi Omara Olwata
<bhoisam2002@yahoo.co.uk>, Jack Oyugi <jackoyugi@verizon.net>, Maureen Akello
<mmtimzzak@gmail.com>, “Milly Akide” <millyakide301@gmail.com>, Sam Ogwali
Opiyo <samopiyo19@yahoo.com>, “Catherine Ocen” <catherineocen@yahoo.com>

Dear Mr. Caesar Ogole,

I do not know about you but if you are like me your plate would be too full with more
important things to do than with your incessant letter writing pretty much ado about
nothing, except to whine and grind about things that are mostly none of your business in
the first place, or simply to try to draw attention to your self.
You wrote, “Only Caesar and Ben supported your Constitution openly at that time! It
makes sense why you want to keep them far away so you can keep exerting you
tyrannical power."
I have nothing personal against you and Ben. However, isn’t it rather strange that you are
the usual two members out the over 30 members we have in the Association, who are
often posting negative stuffs about the Chair or Board members as the case may be?
Do I need to remind you that Ben had an opportunity to serve as an honorable Board
member but quit the Board membership through his own volition?
In addition, do I need to remind you that you too had a golden opportunity to make a real
contribution to the Association with your ill-fated software initiative but you chose to
withdraw it from our consideration for reasons we can only speculate but best known to
you?
Listen; in a cultural association such as ours, it is always wise to think twice before you
leap about anything. There is no need for you or anyone else to always assume an
unnecessary self destructive argumentative posture just to try to prove that they were the
smartest kid on the block? No body cares! Hello! It’s a cultural organization!
Thanks,
Prof Omara-Alwala, Chair
LAONA

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From: Caesar <cogole@gmail.com>

To: Thomas Omara-Alwala <omara44@mchsi.com>
Cc: Florence Ocen <ocen_florence@yahoo.com>, Betty Odero <crcf1@yahoo.com>,
Sarah Alobo <alobo_sarah@yahoo.com>, Kenneth Otim <k.otim01@gmail.com>, Edisa
Engola Kema <edisa1@gmail.com>, Patrick Okullu <peboo@me.com>, Hudson Ayo
<ecapitalfunds@yahoo.com>, Odyek Agona <oagona@hotmail.com>, Charles Owot
<owotc@yahoo.com>, Alex Atim <atimalex@hotmail.com>, Ben Magomu Wacha
<bmwacha@outlook.com>, Tom Opito <opito.tom@gmail.com>, Morris Otim
<morrisotim005@gmail.com>, “Owiny Otim” <otimowin@yahoo.com>, "“Robert M.
Okello”" <okello_robert@yahoo.com>, “Mary Ajuga” <ajugamary@yahoo.com>, “Betty
Pulle” <adiyo1@verizon.net>, Daniel Oming <dkikonde@gmail.com>, Margaret Jato
<mlagulu@hotmail.com>, Charles Emer <charlesemer@gmail.com>, Mildred Amony
Omara <mildred.omara@yahoo.com>, Engola Omodi <mamaelder9@gmail.com>,
Helen Apio <rosehelly@yahoo.com>, Hon Sam Bhoi Omara Olwata
<bhoisam2002@yahoo.co.uk>, Jack Oyugi <jackoyugi@verizon.net>, Maureen Akello
<mmtimzzak@gmail.com>, “Milly Akide” <millyakide301@gmail.com>, Sam Ogwali
Opiyo <samopiyo19@yahoo.com>, “Catherine Ocen” <catherineocen@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Bank Account Statement of November, 2013 - Questions
Mr Chair Omara Alwala,
Your arguments are still very wanting! It makes perfect sense why you often
decide to go AWOL: because you cannot sustain discussion in principled or
objective manner! Now you are rationalizing that it is “culture”. Which culture
promotes false reasoning!? It makes sense why the gentle and couth members
do not engage you in discussions on this forum- except a few, like me,who have
decided (and will) to continue to write for important reasons. I am somewhat
embarrassed by your line of arguments and phony dispositions which you call
“culture”.
That said, let me address the specifics again – hopefully I will succeed in
inculcating these things into you. [Otherwise, I am curiously waiting to see how
far you will go with you leadership].
You said: I do not know about you but if you are like me your plate would be
too full with more important things to do than with your incessant letter writing
pretty much ado about nothing, except to whine and grind about things that
are mostly none of your business in the first place, or simply to try to draw
attention to your self.
Mr. Chair, having a job and a family is not something that you have to go
ranting and raving about! People started having families and jobs long time ago
– the very reason(s) we exist- one could argue like that! And, they don’t go
using it as excuse for failing to perform in other obligations! Some people have
even more demanding jobs (and/or yes, also very highly paid) but that’s not an
issue that one should even go about on this forum.
That, combined with your attempt to shamelessly draw attention to yourself,
read what you wrote to your fellow members. It speaks for itself.

Omara Alwala writes:

“The Chair has not received as many phone calls from individuals contrary to
his expectation. The Chair needs a break like everyone else! The Chair does not
get remuneration for being the Chair of LAONA. The Chair has a full time job
and a family as well to take care of like most everyone. The Chair deserves in
every bit as much understanding as everyone else on the Board. Nevertheless,
the Chair welcomes frank open discussions on every question or issue about
the Association. The Chair resents divisive behavior.”
Tell us, who is that person ranting and raving, whining and grinding that he
has not received many phone calls contrary to his expectation? Why do you like
cheap attention? Talking about jobs and family, how many people are cultural
leaders and have many other bigger demands?

It makes perfect sense now why Ben coined the word “okwonification”. I am
seeing a light at the tunnel where I can aptly apply it.
Let me give you a few tips if you want natural attention drawn to you:
a) Do you job of Chairmanship perfectly, and stick to your role – not
Treasurer's! And not using Secretary as weapon/shield to advance your
dubious goals. That’s not culture. Culture does not promote false reasoning!
b) Or, write original articles like I did (for Thanksgiving) instead of copying
and pasting gomesi articles or UNAA code of conduct, etc.
Start with the above and you will have natural attention drawn to you. Forget
about that tactic of telling people not to use Wikipedia because you are a prof,
and then you turn around and use the same Wikipedia. This type of
“inappropriate appeal or misuse of authority”- a form of fallacious argument,
which will not earn you natural attention! It will not help you maintain your
leadership either!
Moreover, you must understand that in this age, there is something called
“multi-tasking” – a term borrowed from the digital technology world. Every
knows you are so afraid of, and challenged by technology. I was surprised that
all along you had never even heard of “skype”! And it took many many hours for
someone to remotely help you install it on your computer! And you have the
guts to even mention the name ill-fated software! That exercise that I carried
out was to leverage the LAONA crowd to help me in my requirements elicitation.
That’s what they call being smart. Get it right. Whether or not you accepted it
was/is not an issue! The original target clients were different. But I also wanted
to make LAONA grow, by building confidence in members through “progress
reports”. You don't get it! We don things for reason(s) beyond the ordinary
things that linger in your mind.
And who told you it is not my business to ask about the inconsistencies? Let
me dissect it for you!
Here is a situation where the Chair asks the Secretary to send out a November
bank statement to members “for your review”. Shrewd members review the
bank statement, and find some fabricated information or inconsistencies. A
member asks a question, directing it to the sender of the original email (who
happens to be Secretary). The Secretary makes all [seemingly genuine] effort to
respond, but her response falls short of the member expectations. The member
delves deeper by asking more specific questions. The Secretary, for whatever
reason, cannot confront the fire, and she ducks and runs. The Chair appears
from nowhere, enraged – asking why the member who asked the question is
“attacking” the Secretary. The Chair misuses his authority and diverts the topic
and refuses to answer the question.

If all leaders were like these, life would be very hard, if even possible!

You wrote, “Only Caesar and Ben supported your Constitution openly at that
time! It makes sense why you want to keep them far away so you can keep
exerting you tyrannical power."
I have nothing personal against you and Ben. However, isn’t it rather strange
that you are the usual two members out the over 30 members we have in the
Association, who are often posting negative stuffs about the Chair or Board
members as the case may be?
You say there are only two? We don’t need to many people to be posting the
same stuff. That would be called “duplication of efforts” – which is a waste!
You say only two people keep positing, how about the treasurer – who has given
you a big break? How about that positing from your vice. And how about this
new posting today with the following interesting maxim:
=> Time for excuses are over and members want to see actions and way forward
rather than bedo deng adenga bala Ogwal-Ogwal agweno tye atongo.
Majority are so exhausted of your living-in-denial leadership!

You said: Do I need to remind you that Ben had an opportunity to serve as an
honorable Board member but quit the Board membership through his own
volition?
You must ask yourself why he left that “golden opportunity”. You are a first
class, odd person at fantasizing, by mere fact that you call it “golden
opportunity”. Again, it is called living in denial. And yet Ben continues to be a
regular contributing, who is gaining popularity among the majority day by day!
In this age you still fear using the google-group? Is our culture supposed to be
techno-phobic? No way! We are not going backwards! You are not going to
succeed in taking us back to those old days – called antediluvian times!

You said: In addition, do I need to remind you that you too had a golden
opportunity to make a real contribution to the Association with your ill-fated
software initiative but you chose to withdraw it from our consideration for
reasons we can only speculate but best known to you?
Mr. Chair, you are such a technology-phobic person that it would take ages to
get that fear (of technology) from you! If it could take many many hours for a
person to remotely help you install skype, how then can you even have the guts
to say “ill-fated” software? You don’t even realize that even the survey tool that I
used to help with the polls is called software!
And, there is this term that I have always used, but it seems it is exotic to you –
because you and technologies seem to have a grudge. I have repeated, time and
again, that I was leveraging the LAONA crowd to do requirements elicitation!
Measurements of target end user attitudes (like yours) are also one of the key
components, because we need to understand the psychological settings of the
potential users. You just provided a perfect case study – and our new product
line of software is in the offing – with all these end user anticipated fears
factored in! It is not like fish farming where you just go and throw fish eggs in
the water, and come back to harvest it after whatever months. You know that
area better!
Anyway, let me make clear to members why Mr. Chair was against the
technology:
1. I had ignored his advice – when he asked me NOT to include the names of
other members in the demonstration report. He considers those people enemies,
but the Chair must understand that his enemies are not ours! So he ended up
hating the “software” too!
2. I had criticized his meaningless “anywhere and everywhere” utterances,
and I went ahead to develop a complete technical solution – which made the
Chair (then a facilitator) look bad. He was presenting himself to be knowing
everything, including digital technologies, until I proved that he dreads
technologies like “kalalang”! [And this solution, is being taken up by Google – so
that talk of ill-fated is sheer ignorance on part of the technology-phobic Chair!]
3. I had challenged him when I announced my candicacy. Although mine was
a mock candidacy, I did it because the Chair had started exhibiting his ego-
centric behavior, e.g. he wanted to be the only speaker for all the two days at
the Philly Convention. I got a report of how good a speaker he is anyway. It is
culture, he says!
You said: Listen; in a cultural association such as ours, it is always wise to
think twice before you leap about anything.
That’s why I asked you think twice about “members and friends” classification
when every one is a Lango. It doesn’t make sense. You are not trying to
miseducate me here, and I hope you will not try it again. I am far too advanced
for that kind of childish counsel/advice. You could not even attempt to solve the
fundraising riddle, and you think you can play with my mind through
elementary tricks? Let’s get serious with reasoning Mr. Chair. Let me break it to
you. There are three main methods of mind-control: FEAR, OBLIGATION AND
GUILT- and you are trying to use some of these things on our members,
including your fellow board members – but that strategy is already outdated.
You do it only at your own risk! I write/respond so that other people get to
know you better!
You said: There is no need for you or anyone else to always assume an
unnecessary self destructive argumentative posture just to try to prove that
they were the smartest kid on the block? No body cares! Hello! It’s a cultural
organization!
This one is a classic fallacious argument, mostly used by losers. Please, stay
away from it! We are determined to make Lango develop, at last! You don’t seem
to get it even after I keep pumping things into you. Such things you say won’t
move or change me. I didn’t say those words. It is your own observations, and I
am not responsible for it. Just thank God some of these things have made you
what you are! It has helped some of us to come out of the isolated farmlands to
join fellow Lango people, finally. Let’s not continue with the anti-social behavior!
It is now a new world!
And thank you very much for discarding that very outdated “Yours truly” thing.
Before I forget it, let’s not divert from the topic. The topic is/was:
Again, what payments are pending? And why the shift of goal posts after
clearance of #1005 and #1006? We need to have that old transfer done and
account done before our mighty Treasurer returns from her holidays! I am
afraid she won’t be very happy if things are still “pending”!
We don't want to carry this mess into the new year, unless we really have time
to continue playing these very simple word tricks at the expense of our
reputation. And these electronic trails (emails) serve as evidence/premises for
future arguments - just so we all know.
Caesar

P.S Reread my original report before you try to respond. Ask questions if you
don’t understand a thing.