Reading Marriage date

> > 1, Marriage delay is because of kalasarpa dosha

> > 2. After the marriage, I hope she will have a peaceful life
> > Birth details
> > DOB 16-05-1978
> > POB Muscat 23N37 and 58E35 +4.30 GMT
> > tob 5. 53min am
> > regards
> > venkat

From: Sanjay Rath <guruji@srath.com>

Date: Nov 9, 2005 2:18 AM
Subject: Re: [vedic-astrology] Re: Marriage date
To: vedic-astrology@yahoogroups.com

om namo bhagavate vasudevaya

Dear Venkat,

The girl has a Kala Sarpa Yoga broken by the placementof Venus in Lagna. It is essential to strengthen
Venus else the tendency of the KSY is to delay till 42-45 years of age. Venus is weak in debilitation in
Kanya navamsa and unless Venus is strengthened, marriage which is seen from navamsa, can get
delayed and cause some worry. Get her a diamond ring in the right hand ring finger - ring should be open
from bottom exposing the diamond.

Was your daughter a cesarian or forceps delivery/birth? I need to confirm navamsa lagna before
proceeding further.

Saptamesha: 7th lord

The 7th lord is debilitated in rasi and is in exalted navamsa indicating nicabhanga rajayoga - thus the
person your daughter shall marry is destined to rise very high in life after the marriage. The nicabhanga is
double confirmed by the placement of Saturn and Moon in a kendra confirming that the cancellation of
debility is strong and sure to occur. Besides sani-candra yoga in the 4th house is considered a rajayoga
(see the chart of Dr Raman). Such a person shall be a follower oftraditional customs and shall adhere to
the scriptures. However this may not be good for the mothers health. But the Sun is in lagna to counter
that negative.

The 7th lord in the 3rd house indicates that your daughter will love her husband very much and shall be
veer dedicated to all his needs. Fortunate is a person who gets a spouse with 7th lord in 3rd house.

Saptama bhava: 7th house

The 7th house has the graha drishti of Venus and Sun showing that the mother or a motherly lady shall be most concerned about her marriage and the
lagnesha aspecting the 7th house indicates that your daughter shall surely marry and this will mark a turning point (positive) in her life as Venus the
karaka for marriage is also the lagna lord. Mars the 7th lord and Mercury the 5th lord are also aspecting the 7th house by rasi dristi thereby
strengthening its significations and indicating the timing.

Ketu the co-lord of the 7th house is in the 11th house of friends...have you considered this aspect?
Upapada: UL in Cancer

The girl should be asked to fast on all Mondays from sunrise to sunset and be on water only as the UL is quite afflicted by a debilitated Mars. The
Moon as lord of UL is also afflicted by Saturn indicating delay in the initiation of a married life.

Length of marriage

The second from UL is having the Saturn Moon conjunction as the 2nd lord Sun is strong in lagna with Venus indicating a long married life but some
disharmony in marriage due to another lady.

She should start fasting on Mondays and worship Lord Shiva for a good husband by reciting the tryambakkam mantra...pativedanaM (I guess you
know this). She must keep fast throughout life excepting at the time of pregnancy.

Karaka

The seventh lord form Venus is Mars and is placed in chara rasi and navamsa indicating that the husband shall come from across the water (guess:
India).

The Karaka Venus is also the atmakaraka and its placement in nica navamsa is not desirable. She should worship Lord Shiva everyday with the
Tryambakkam mantra - 108 times daily.

Timing from Rasi/Vimsottari: Moon dasa is about to start which is going to give the marriage and children - 2 children. Neither the Narayana dasa nor
the Moola dasa are favorable at the moment and are pointing at the year 2007. However Naisargika dasa is favorable since 2005 May and by 2010
May she is to have those two children.

...more about the navamsa chart after you confirm the birth circumstances.

With best wishes and warm regards,

Sanjay Rath
***
Sri Jagannath Center®
15B Gangaram Hospital Road
New Delhi 110060, India
http://srath.com, +91-11-25717162

venkat_tvm@yahoo.com

Natal Chart

Date: May 16, 1978

Time: 5:53:00 am
Time Zone: 4:00:00 (East of GMT)
Place: 58 E 35' 00", 23 N 36' 00"
Muscat, Oman
Altitude: 0.00 meters

Lunar Yr-Mo: Kaala-yukta - Vaisakha

Tithi: Sukla Navami (Su) (78.91% left)
Vedic Weekday: Tuesday (Ma)
Nakshatra: Magha (Ke) (26.23% left)
Yoga: Vyaghata (Ve) (91.43% left)
Karana: Balava (Mo) (57.82% left)
Hora Lord: Mars (5 min sign: Ar)
Mahakala Hora: Jupiter (5 min sign: Vi)
Kaala Lord: Mars (Mahakala: Mars)
Sunrise: 5:24:24 am
Sunset: 6:40:37 pm
Janma Ghatis: 1.1918

Ayanamsa: 23-33-18.76
Sidereal Time: 21:21:03
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|As Ra |Sa Md |Me HL |Mo |
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Vimsottari Dasa (started from Moon):

Maha Dasas:

Ket: 1973-03-16 (2:08:03 pm) - 1980-03-16 (9:21:26 am)

Ven: 1980-03-16 (9:21:26 am) - 2000-03-16 (12:25:37 pm)
Sun: 2000-03-16 (12:25:37 pm) - 2006-03-17 (1:23:17 am)
Moon: 2006-03-17 (1:23:17 am) - 2016-03-16 (2:50:23 pm)
Mars: 2016-03-16 (2:50:23 pm) - 2023-03-17 (10:06:21 am)
Rah: 2023-03-17 (10:06:21 am) - 2041-03-17 (12:47:28 am)
Jup: 2041-03-17 (12:47:28 am) - 2057-03-17 (3:11:27 am)
Sat: 2057-03-17 (3:11:27 am) - 2076-03-17 (12:07:02 am)
Merc: 2076-03-17 (12:07:02 am) - 2093-03-17 (8:49:15 am)

Mp-3 availiable at rath misscc Yogas Or Combinations With Ernst Wilhelm

With Chris Brennan and guest Ernst Wilhelm
Episode originally released on June 19, 2017.
Transcribed by Liam Tracy

—
CHRIS BRENNAN: Hi. My name is Chris Brennan and you’re listening to the
astrology podcast. This episode is recorded on Wednesday, June 14 th 2017 starting
just after 1:13pm in Denver, Colorado and this is the 111th episode of the show. For
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theastrologypodcast.com/subscribe.
In this episode I’m going to be talking with astrologer Ernst Wilhelm about the
doctrine of planetary yogas in Indian astrology.
Ernst welcome to the show.
ERNST WILHELM: Hey, thank you Chris and it was really wonderful for you to email
me and invite me, especially after we haven’t seen each other for such a long time.
CHRIS BRENNAN: Yeah. I think the last time I saw you was actually at a northwest
astrological conference about 10 or 12 years ago. And yeah at the time we talked
and sort of compared notes because when we met one of the things I thought was
interesting about you was you seem to…in the same way that I had to go back and
have been focusing on the earliest texts of the western astrological tradition you’ve
been basically doing the same thing and going back and studying the earliest texts
of the Indian astrological tradition for a large part of your career, right?
ERNST WILHELM: Yes, pretty much since after the first couple of years because I
just wasn’t satisfied with a lot of the modern things. I just didn’t feel like it was going
deep enough.
CHRIS BRENNAN: OK. So you specialize in Indian astrology or Vedic astrology and
this is something you’ve been studying for 20 something years now or when did you
first start studying?
ERNST WILHELM: Yeah I started studying Vedic astrology in 95, since spring
of1995 so I guess that makes it 22 years now. And the three years before that I was
heavily studying Western astrology.
CHRIS BRENNAN: OK. So you have some background in both.
ERNST WILHELM: Mhmm. You bet.
CHRIS BRENNAN: But you made the switch to Vedic astrology. And what was the
thing that drew you in to that or really appealed to you about it?
ERNST WILHELM: You know what started happening is I was doing the western
[astrology] and I could look at the chart; I could get so much about the person, but I
just felt like there was just too much of a mess of a person there to figure out how to
really help them. And I just saw their tangled psychological profile and I was like
gosh now what do I do with this.
And I wasn’t really happy with any of the Western predictive methods and so when
people asked me [to make] predictions I wasn’t really feeling confident. And because
of just the psychological stuff that was in the chart it got to where it was so
frustrating for me that I couldn’t even look at a Western chart without getting nausea.
It literally was turning my stomach because I could see all this pain in their chart all
the reasons for their pain but me not knowing how to deal with it, how to approach
helping it.
And so I basically quit doing astrology. I had trained for 3 years with the goal of
being a professional astrologer and within a month of starting my practice I started
having nausea, right. So I just quit. And I had this intuition to go off to an ashram. So
I went to the ashram and after about a month of being there I had this dream that
made me think I should look into Vedic astrology.
So I bought this text, Brihat Parāśara which is one of the older texts in the sense that
it’s a recompilation of a very old text. The version we have is only about a little over
a hundred years old but it’s a recompilation of an old text. And it was THE famous
book that I’d heard about so I went and bought a copy of that, started studying it like
crazy.
Then those books are just sutras, so they’re really hard to understand. So after
reading through it and just trying lots of things and being really confused I literally
started just sitting down and saying, OK chapter one, write the sutra down and now
let’s write about the sutra. And that’s when I actually started writing my first book
which was the Vault of The Heavens where I literally was just trying to figure out
what the sutras were meaning. I kind of did it as a study approach and a few years
later I modified it, cleaned it up, and turned it into my first book. So I just kind of
innocently quit western and found myself being more serious about astrology than
ever once I stumbled into Vedic.
CHRIS BRENNAN: Sure…I think that’s the thing that appeals to a lot of people in
studying those older forms of astrology is finding a more structured approach and
finding more clear cut rules about what to do and how to interpret different scenarios
that you come across in terms of different chart placements and things like that.
ERNST WILHELM: Yeah it was really nice to have something that felt like, OK this is
really it. You know.
Right after that, once I got into the Parāśara book I met a guy at the ashram and he
heard I had done Western astrology. He lived in India for three years and studied
Vedic [astrology] there but he’d never had a Western astrology reading so he asked
me to look at his chart and I’m like I don’t know I’ve been getting nauseous but OK
I’ll do it. So we met one day before lunch just for a few minutes. We had a few spare
minutes in the ashram and I looked at his chart, rattled off a couple things and after
lunch he came up to me and he said “You’re going to do great in this, you’re really
good. I just called my mum and had her send all my books to you on my program.”
And he had every book in print at that time on Vedic astrology that was written in the
English language. Every single book.
And so two weeks later I get this big crate from Italy (which is where he was from)
which had to cost hundreds of dollars for his mum to ship. And I just started hitting
those books and at first I was so happy cause I was like OK, this Is it, this is the
gospel, you know.
But as I continued I started seeing how most of…a big portion of what was out there
wasn’t the gospel on Vedic astrology it was just little superficial hits and misses and
after a few years I realized I really had to focus on those old texts and really try to
figure out what was going on with them.
And that was actually right after I finished the [Core] Yogas book. Up until I had
done the Yogas book, astrology was fun cause everything I read I believed in. But
as I got more and more experience I started finding out how many things were not
making sense. As I started studying more old books and especially the old
astronomy books [I] started seeing how things weren’t quite adding up. A lot of
things were being done that weren’t in conformity with other books and with the old
books and how different old books had different opinions and how just much of a
mess Vedic astrology was actually in, whereas before I thought OK this is it in it’s
pure form. Which is a nice feeling you know.
CHRIS BRENNAN: Right.
ERNST WILHELM: Unfortunately, it didn’t turn out to be true. Over time I found that
when it comes down to it there’s two systems on which there’s a lot of astrology on
in India, or we could even say three systems.
One system is the Tajika system which is a Persian system that’s been preserved in
India. It’s a lot like the Hellenistic stuff. It’s a lot like old Western astrology. It’s a
great system of astrology. It’s great on Prashna or Horary astrology. They also use
solar return for timing things really accurately. And it’s basically Persian astrology
that’s been preserved in India. There’s a lot of information on that in India.
Then there’s the system of Parāśara. And the system of Parāśara has become very
fragmented though. And that system, the main book for that is Bṛihat Parāśara Horā
Śāstra…and that was recompiled in the late 1800’s by a guy who went all over India
finding little chapters and bits of pieces of it. The version we have does have some
problems with it, but it’s still better than any other text on Parāśara astrology that we
have from the years previous to that…in the centuries previous to that. And that
book is a great book. It’s a profound book. But it doesn’t really tell you what to do
with things. The majority of that book…the important parts of that book is [where] it
gives you calculations. Like it’ll tell you how to calculate Ishta and Kashta – the
auspicious and illness of a planet let’s say.
CHRIS BRENNAN: Ok.
ERNST WILHELM: And then it tells you to calculate the Chesta Bala, which is the
motional strength. And all these different strengths but it doesn’t ever say, alright
now that we’ve learned to calculate this strength, what you use it for is this. He
doesn’t say that. And then he tells us how to calculate out the Avasthas or the
conditions of the planets, of which there’s 5 types of conditions, groups of conditions
that planets can fall into. But then he doesn’t tell you what to do with those
conditions specifically. So you can imagine we’ve got all these different conditions,
all these different mathematical strengths and we’ve got about 8 or 9 different things
that can go together in millions of different permutations, you know, there’s like a
combination lock with 9 numbers on it and you can turn those numbers in all kinds of
ways, right?
CHRIS BRENNAN: Right.
ERNST WILHELM: And that’s what that book was like, all these amazing
calculations then trying to figure out what to do with them was a headache. But it’s a
whole school of astrology. Most of the books on Indian astrology have little bits of
pieces that are all found in that book, or they’re little bits and pieces of Persian
astrology…some of which are labelled as Persian astrology but many which aren’t
labelled as Persian astrology. And of course many books have a mix of this,
especially the North Indian texts, you’ll see a mix of the Parāśara stuff with some
stuff that seems to most likely be Persian origin from long ago.
And the Parāśara texts, what’s important about that in the context of our discussion
is that, that’s the book that teaches us actually how to use yogas.
CHRIS BRENNAN: Ok. So that’s the book that you say most of the yogas come
from?
ERNST WILHELM: Not that they come from. There’s thousands of yogas in every
book. But the most important yogas are found there. But most importantly the
mathematical tools to evaluate the yogas are found in that text.
And then, finally there’s the Jaimini Sutras book which is not so much a book of
yogas or mathematical techniques, it’s a more step by step approach to astrology
where you follow a set of rules to arrive at an answer. Just using basically planets
and sign and houses and a few other things. It’s a very simple system of astrology.
That book was rediscovered a little over a hundred years ago again. We had the first
two chapters. The second two chapters were rediscovered a little over a hundred
years ago. So we have that full text now.
[A] Very difficult text. While the techniques are really simple the text is written in
coded Sanskrit so everyone disagrees on how to do most everything in that text
because different people are trying to break the code in different ways and some
people aren’t…well pretty much most people aren’t really following the rules of the
code breaking specifically as he instructs in the first chapter. Because the first
chapter is written in code too, so it’s hard for people to figure out how to break the
code.
So again with astrology in India we’re kinda confronted with these three sort of main
sources ok, there’s the Persian system called Tajika which is preserved really well,
really clearly written, just take it and use it and wow. OK. Then there’s the Parāśara
system which is all these calculations, all these conditions or avasthas…and what
do you wanna do with it? Well, now go spend 10, 20, 30 years figuring out how to
put it together. Then we’ve got the Jaimini sutras which is step by step techniques
that a five year old could do if you teach him the technique but written in sutras
that…ok, go spend 10, 20, 30 years figuring out what you’re supposed to do.
Afterwards it gets easy.
And then there’s bits of pieces of all kinds of systems throughout India. There’s bits
and pieces of Nadi astrology, of Bhrigu astrology there’s just tons of bits and pieces.
And a lot of people these days are trying to focus on these little bits and pieces, but I
just ignore those bits and pieces because I think we need systematic astrology.
Which means Tajika system. Let’s learn that, let’s master that. Parāśara system, lets
learn that and master that. And then Jaimini system, lets learn that. Then we have
complete systems.
And I don’t think we should be running around with lots of bits of pieces of systems
which probably, in my opinion, aren’t even completely available anymore, you know.
Maybe one day they’ll be recompiled from every little corner of India. But right now
we have these three other main systems where we have everything we need right in
front of us. We just have to learn to use it and learn to use it better.
CHRIS BRENNAN: Sure. So you published your first book in 2001 and your second
book was this book called Core Yogas. And were you drawing on sort of pieces of
those different traditions for this book?
ERNST WILHELM: What I did in the Core Yogas, I mostly drew on Parāśara, in the
sense of, he gives the more important yogas. Yogas are sort of broken down into,
we can say, roughly three categories, OK. There’s the foundation yogas and
foundation yogas are yogas that are present in the chart but they have nothing to do
with timing. They give a foundation for the person’s life. And if a person has strong
foundation yogas everything in their life gets better. If they have bad foundation
yogas everything in their life gets worse basically. Or isn’t as good.
CHRIS BRENNAN: Ok. Maybe we should back up and define what a yoga is first,
cause we forgot to do that at the start.
ERNST WILHELM: OK. Sure.
CHRIS BRENNAN: So what is a yoga? Or what does that word mean, and how
would you define it if you were trying to teach it to a Western astrologer?
ERNST WILHELM: OK. Basically a yoga means union, or yoke. OK like when you
yoke something. That comes from the word yoga. So if you yoke a horse to the
carriage, that…you’re yoga them. Yoga simply means union or yoking. Basically
attaching something in a binding fashion to something [else].
CHRIS BRENNAN: OK.
ERNST WILHELM: And yogas in astrology are planetary permutations of any type
that yoke a person to the fruits of their karma. So the person has their karma and it’s
the planets that yoke them in their different permutations to that. Which basically
means, everything in astrology is a yoga. Everything in every school is a yoga,
roughly speaking. Because whatever you look at in the chart, it’s something that’s
connecting the person to the fruits of their karma. That’s connecting them to their
fate basically, right. But any such permutation that’s defined is a yoga in itself. So if I
have Jupiter on an angle from the Moon that’s defined as Gaja Kesari yoga which
will give basically wealth and success and an element of wisdom.
CHRIS BRENNAN: OK so a yoga then in that context is a combination of let’s say
two things at least in a chart or different chart placements that have specific
predicted outcomes essentially, right?
ERNST WILHELM: Exactly. When it’s defined as a yoga it’s something that’s had an
outcome that’s been labelled, or an outcome attached to it.
CHRIS BRENNAN: OK. So let’s see. So what are some examples? I mean, I know
one. I didn’t actually see this one in your book but I remember reading one and I
thought it was a raja yoga which was like having the ruler of the ascendant in the
10th conjunct the ruler of the 9th house which is also in the 10th.
ERNST WILHELM: Yeah. That’s a school, a group of raj yogas which are based on
angle and trine lords. Which are basically…those are derived from [the] Parāśara
book as well.
So with yogas, a yoga is essentially anything in the chart that connects a person to
the fruits of their fate. Which means everything is a yoga. But when we study yogas,
we’re studying predefined such things, so we’re studying combinations that other
astrologers have defined as giving a certain effect. And then basically it’s a known
yoga and was written down at some point.
But if you were to look at a chart and based on your knowledge of astrology said
something…’oh Venus is going to do this to you.’ You would be defining a yoga right
on the spot. Now so basically everything in the chart is a yoga. OK Venus is doing
this, that means it’s a yoga for marriage. Saturn is in the 4th house with Mercury and
it’s killing your pet. OK that’s a yoga for killing your pet. Is that yoga in any astrology
text? Not that I’ve seen but if it gives that effect, it’s a yoga for that thing. OK.
CHRIS BRENNAN: Sure. And then there’s some specific ones that are…
ERNST WILHELM: And then there’s the defined yogas. Which are the ones written
down basically. And in those defined yogas there’s essentially three groups.
There’s the foundation yogas which don’t have to do with timing. They just create a
foundation for the person in life. I cover those in the first half of Core Yogas and I
cover those in a course called Astrology of Character.
Then there’s what I call the named yogas. These are the most important yogas.
Most of these are in Parāśara but we find different versions and some additional
ones in some other texts. But these are yogas that have specific names, like they
may be called Shiva Yoga, Vishnu Yoga, they may be named after deities. Gaja
Kesari yoga, which means elephant-lion yoga. You know there’s all these yogas that
have specific names. So they’ll say this is this yoga and define it. Those are the
most important yogas and that’s why they gave them names.
And every astrologer should learn those yogas who’s interested in predicting wealth
or success because those yogas directly bare on wealth and success and they also
give the character qualities of a person that deserves wealth and success. So they
give some character qualities, wealth and success. All the named yogas essentially
give those same things. When you read the effects of those yogas they basically will
say it gives you wealth, success and makes you a good person somehow…in
different words. But it will do that in some form.
And there’s not that many of those…there’s somewhat over 200 of those yogas and
so they’re really a manageable group of yogas. Like there’s something called the
Wishing Tree yoga. A person who gets lucky, that helps them get what they want in
life because they have that merit. So all these yogas are what we call dasha
dependent. Which means they give their effects at certain times in their life. They
come into play, give their effect and then they go away…and they come into play
and give their effect. So the time that a person gets a new job that doubles his
income. That’s likely a time where one of these named yogas came into play, OK.
CHRIS BRENNAN: Right. So these are sort of specific combinations or placements
in the birth chart that are lying dormant until they’re activated using the timing
technique of the dasha systems, right?
ERNST WILHELM: Exactly. So they’re a very simple way to do astrology. In fact,
yogas are the most simple way to do astrology in general. You just learn a planetary
permutation. When you see it, say something about it. So that’s the second group of
yogas.
CHRIS BRENNAN: And really quickly before we move on, one of the things that was
interesting in your approach to understanding these yogas is it seemed like you’d
often look at the Sanskrit term or the name that was given to the yoga. And often
that name would be evocative of the interpretation of the yoga.
Like one of them was named ‘Glittering yoga.’ And it was the ruler of the 11 th house
deeply exalted with Venus and in an angle from the ruler of the ascendant. And
other combinations like that where the name actually has some bearing on the
interpretation.
ERNST WILHELM: Yes. In every case the meaning of the name that the yogas
named after is way more important than what they give the effects of. And that’s one
of the big problems for people studying yogas these days, is that, they read the
meanings of the yogas and they’re so archaic… “they will have three wives, twenty
elephants and lots of wealth and respect by the king.”
Well, whoever…we don’t even deal with kings anymore, right.
CHRIS BRENNAN: Right.
ERNST WILHELM: We don’t have elephants. You know, so it’s like…argghhh…so
we read through these results that are useless. I think even back then they were
mostly useless. What really matters is the name.
But the translators never translate the name of the yoga. So they translate the
results of the yoga. Which even in English don’t mean anything useful and even in
Sanskrit don’t mean anything useful to us. And the name, which if we think about the
name will actually give us the meaning, the essence of the yoga…they don’t
translate that. So it’s really important to just read the name of the yoga.
Like there’s a yoga called Kusuma yoga which is a blossom. Well let’s think of a
blossom. It’s this flower just beautifully expanding into something beautiful, right?
CHRIS BRENNAN: Right.
ERNST WILHELM: And that’s the name. So that yoga, when that person’s life goes
into that Kusuma yoga period then their life just sorta blossoms and all a sudden
things, beautiful things start happening in their lives. So that’s all we need to know,
is blossom. We don’t need to know anything else. Any other result for that yoga. So
I’m very much an advocate of just paying attention to the name. Don’t even worry
about remembering all the results of all these different yogas. It’s the name that
matters, always. It’s the key thing.
CHRIS BRENNAN: Right. So there’s something symbolically significant about the
underlying Sanskrit name that you can draw the interpretation from. And that seems
common of most ancient forms of astrology where the interpretation is really
embedded in the language.
ERNST WILHELM: Yep. Totally. And unfortunately the only book I know that
actually translates the name is the Core Yogas book that I wrote. Everyone else just
gives the Sanskrit name and gives the English translation of the Sanskrit results. So
people read those books and just want to throw them away.
And that’s sad because yogas are a great way to do astrology. So the average
astrologer learns a handful of yogas instead of really putting them to good use.
And these named yogas are invaluable when it comes to try and predict wealth and
success and those types of things. And timing periods for those. Without knowing
those yogas you’ll quite often miss important career times for people. Times when
actors win their awards or make their biggest movie. These are almost always
indicated by these kind of named yogas.
CHRIS BRENNAN: What are some other names that you feel, or that you use
regularly, or that you feel are very evocative in terms of the interpretation that goes
along with them.
ERNST WILHELM: OK well if you think of the Gaja Kesari yoga. That’s the elephant-
lion yoga. It’s a very common one. So this person is going to somehow have the
qualities of an elephant and a lion.
So when we think of that, we think of this elephant. A patient, cumbersome beast.
Who…nothing stands in its way. And if you see an elephant you can just tell, he’s
used to doing whatever he wants. And nothing is gonna stop that elephant from
doing what he wants. But he’s not in any rush to get there. And he’s not gonna go
destroy things to get there. You know, he’s just gonna go and nothing’s gonna stop
him. He’s just like this force, he’s just this invulnerable force. This invulnerable
steady force is basically the image you get when you meet an elephant, you know.
They eat, they take their time…but nothing’s gonna stop them. They’re just an
invulnerable, patient force.
And then you get the idea of a lion. And a lion, of course, has always been
considered the king; in symbolism of all cultures the lion seems to be the king of the
jungle, you know? And [it] is attached to nobility and so on. And of course lions have
very good lives. They’re taken care of, they’re served. They have a whole bunch of
female lions. And when they talk about the lion they’re talking about the male lion
(taking care of them)…and they don’t have to work that hard but they get to the top.
So this yoga, these people who have this yoga, they’re like that. They get to the top,
they know how to let people help them and serve them. Versus some people who
get to the top but they don’t know how to have anyone help them in their lives. So
they can’t really enjoy the benefits of anyone in their lives. Lions know how to enjoy
the benefits of people in their lives. So these people will have good people working
for them to make their lives work better. Versus people who get to the top and have
success but who again are doing everything themselves, don’t know how to benefit
from anyone else in their life. You know. They’re not gonna have a Gaja Kesari
yoga, a person like that.
So that’s sorta the basic idea of the qualities of this person. And that quality lets
them have success. They don’t stop, they keep going. They’re patient. They’re, you
know, courageous, just like the lion is a symbol of courage. And they eventually
come to a ruling position, or a higher position in life. Which is the lion symbology
once again.
CHRIS BRENNAN: Do you remember what the placements are associated with
those two yogas?
ERNST WILHELM: Oh, Gaja Kesari yoga is very simple. It’s simply Jupiter has to be
on an angle from the Moon and aspected by a benefic. So aspected by Mercury of
Venus. Some folks just say on an angle from the moon but that happens all the time.
That yoga you can consider a very weak Gaja Kesari yoga. But simply speaking it’s
Jupiter on an angle from the Moon, aspected by Mercury or Venus.
And all yogas are not created equal. They’re always different, OK. In strength. And
therefore the impact they have in each person’s chart differs. That’s a very common
yoga. I mentioned that because it’s one of the first yogas people ever learn in Vedic
astrology…it’s such an easy one.
But then there’s other crazy ones like there’s one called Chandra yoga. That’s when
the navamsa lord of the 10th lord is on an angle from the Moon. And that yoga, it’s
Chandra which mean moon yoga. Well what’s the Moon about? Moon is all about
receptivity and so when that happens a person is able to be open to the best
possibilities in their life and that helps them get ahead in life and move forward in
their life. And it’s just a really simple yoga. It’s relatively common. It’s not super rare.
So just tons of these little yogas that come.
CHRIS BRENNAN: So that one was the ruler of the 10th house in an angle, trine or
second from the Moon..?
ERNST WILHELM: Um..no. The navamsa lord of the 10th lord on an angle from the
Moon, yeah.
CHRIS BRENNAN: So the navamsa. So the sub-divisional lord of the 10th Lord.
ERNST WILHELM: Yep. So you take your 10th lord from the birth chart. See what
navamsa it’s in. Take the ruler of that navamsa and see if it’s on an angle from the
Moon.
CHRIS BRENNAN: Ok. And the navamsa, just for the listeners that don’t know what
that is. It’s the subdivision of the zodiacal signs that breaks each of the signs up into
nine parts right?
ERNST WILHELM: Yes.
CHRIS BRENNAN: OK. Cool.
ERNST WILHELM: So those yogas are great…for anyone who wants to predict
wealth and success those are an important group of yogas. Those are THE Raj
yogas. They’re all raj yogas and they’re all wealth yogas. And that’s why they’re
given names. There’s lots of wealth yogas and there’s lots of raj yogas.
Raj yogas are yogas that give an element of importance or control or responsibility.
Wealth yogas give money. These named yogas always give both. If they’re the good
ones, which most of them are.
Then there’s a couple…well, not a couple…a couple dozen named yogas which
cause problems and which you’ll find in the charts quite often of psychopaths, serial
killers, people that are impossible to get along with. People that end up being alone
and those kinds of things.
A simple one of those is Kapata yoga which means deceit yoga, and that’s when
we’ve got say, a malefic in the 4th and the 4th lord joined with a malefic. So that
means these people will be deceitful. The reason is, they’re not always actively
deceitful but they have a lot of issues that they don’t know how to deal…that they try
to hide from themselves and in hiding those issues from themselves they also tend
to deceive other people. And when those yogas get extremely negative you will find
them in charts of like I mentioned, really extremely difficult impossible people and
even psychopaths.
CHRIS BRENNAN: That’s interesting because in the Hellenistic tradition the 4th was
also associated with you know secrecy and hidden matters because it’s the very
bottom of the chart of the most hidden part of the cosmos from the perspective of
the observer.
ERNST WILHELM: Yes. And in Vedic astrology as well it was called a leena sthana
which means a concealed house. And the fourth, eight and twelfth are all considered
concealed houses. But definitely I think the 4th in many ways is most concealed for
the reasons that you mention.
CHRIS BRENNAN: OK. And so this takes us back to the distinction between the
three categories of yogas that you started to introduce earlier right? It’s sort of at the
foundation in this.
ERNST WILHELM: Yes. So the third category of yogas is basically the ‘everything
else’ category, OK. Where they give tons, I’m talking hundreds of yogas, that are
basically basic effects. So the books will have 1st house yogas, 2nd house yogas,
3rd house yogas, 4th house yogas, 5th house all the way to 12th house yogas.
And there’s literally hundreds of these, for like in the context of 7th house yogas,
99% of those yogas have to do with relationships and marriage and sexual
tendencies and what your spouse might be like. I’ve compiled about 800, or just
under 800 yogas bearing on 7thhouse matters, relationship centred matters. And
they talk about how many wives a person will have, there’s yogas for two wives, one
wife, yogas for the wife to die and all this stuff.
And some of these yogas are really interesting. One yoga is, if Mercury and Venus
are in the 7th house the spouse will die. And I remember at a conference long ago a
person came up and they said “gosh, you know I was looking forward to this dasha. I
thought it would be my best dasha. My love life would really take off. But instead my
girlfriend left me and that was the end of it.” And I said, “let me look at your chart,
why did you think it was good?”
“Well I’ve got Mercury and Venus in the 7th house, I went into Venus/Mercury period
so it should be great.” I’m like “no, it’s a yoga for losing your partner.”
When they say die in the old books, it can be…often in the US and the west where
people don’t marry for life and don’t have sex with just one person forever…usually it
just means their partners [are] going to leave them or they’re going to leave their
partner. And so I explained to her that that was a yoga for ending relationships. I
remember seeing her years later, like 5-6 years later and she said “Oh I use that
yoga all the time, it works every time.”
Chris: Interesting. Right. So and that’s really one of the most interesting core things
about this is that most of this, some of it, seems to be derived symbolically. But other
times it might actually be empirical observations that astrologers made at some point
hundreds of years ago and saw it either showing up in enough charts, or saw it
showing up in a chart and realized why that was the case. And so they gave it a
name. Or they said what the specific outcome was that they observed was
associated with it and then this becomes something that other astrologers later
observe and sort of confirm in their practice as well.
ERNST WILHELM: Yes. And with these ‘everything else’ yogas which are usually
given in the books as house by house arrangement, the big problem with these
yogas is that the majority of these yogas, over 90% of these yogas are just
reiterations of basic techniques.
If the 8th lord is in your 7th your spouse will die…well, any house that the 8th lord is in
will usually have a big shift in your life and you’ll have one thing that’s replaced by
another, OK. So the 7th house, the 8th lord will shift you from one partner to another
at some point. Which in India can only happen through death…but it’s not always
through death. It’s rarely through death. But it could be.
So, do we really need to remember that as a yoga? No. That’s a basic principle that
a good astrologer will know…the basic principles which will cover 90% of what’s
happening. So, 90% of these yogas are just reiteration of basic principles [which]
cause these yogas. These old books, most of them don’t give basic principles. The
only book that really is good on basic principles is the Parāśara book and
the Phaladeepika book has some good basic principles. But most of the books from
India are just yogas on yogas on yogas on yogas. And you can dredge the principles
out of those yogas and once you’ve done so you can throw away over 90% of those
yogas. And so, then there’s only a handful that you need to keep.
Like for instance I have some yoga courses on my site, astrology-videos.com where
I have oh, 7th house yogas. And out of hundreds of yogas for giving a spouse or for
killing a spouse, for ending a relationship somehow, through death or separation.
Out of more than 100 of those, I’ve only saved a couple of them that I teach in that
course. A handful of them. Because those are the only ones that work and which
defy standard principles.
We should only focus on yogas that defy standard principles. Anything that would be
covered by understanding of basic principles we shouldn’t waste our time learning
as a separate yoga, and maybe we shouldn’t waste ink writing them down even. We
should write, these are the basic principles. That’s the big part of astrology. Learn
your basics. Yogas are the next step. Yogas ideally should be…’and these are the
things that defy your basic principles.’
Like Mercury and Venus in the 7th house killing your spouse. That defies your basic
principles, you know. Another yoga is Venus in the 1st and the Moon in the 7th will
destroy your spouse and most likely make you not get married. That defies the basic
explanations of what most people learn, you know, and so, those yogas are useful if
you sort through them and find the ones that are unique and which work.
And that’s a lot of work that needs to be done on those yogas. I hope to do more
work on those in the future. But I have a lot of work to do on all those, literally
thousands and thousands and thousands of yogas.
There’s some real interesting ones. When they get to 9th house yogas, they give a
lot of knowledge centred yogas. How wise the person is. And there’s a yoga, if the
navamsa lord of the lord of the 2nd lord is Saturn or Mars and if it’s on an angle or
trine with malefics the person will be a master of 6 shasthras (which means
sciences). They’ll be a super intelligent, super wise person. OK. That’s a crazy yoga.
The navamsa lord of the lord of the 2nd lord, has to be Saturn or Mars and that
Saturn or Mars has to be in an angle or trine with another malefic planet.
CHRIS BRENNAN: OK. So that’s highly, highly specific.
ERNST WILHELM: It’s highly specific.
I remember one time a person came in and I was just shooting blind on their chart. I
just couldn’t see anything in their chart. And then I saw that yoga. And I said “Gosh,
you’re a super scholar. You just live for knowledge.” He’s like “yeah, I’m all about
knowledge. I’m studying these health things and all I wanna do with all my time is
study these things. And the thing that makes me happy is learning and studying.”
And then I also predicted…I said “also I think you’re gay, right?” And he goes, “yep.”
And because I said those two things, he was so happy with the reading. Where I
couldn’t see anything else in the chart, but those two things, right? And he was so
jazzed over that.
So sometimes a yoga will save you when everything else fails.
This was long ago in the early days back in 1998 when I was doing a lot of yoga
research and stuff. Yogas are a nice easy way to do astrology because they
sometimes will save you. Like there’s a yoga: if the 7th lord is in the 5th there’ll be no
children or the spouse will die. And I found over time …and when I say 7th lord in the
5th I don’t mean using house cusps. I mean the ruler of the 7th sign from the
ascendant is in the 5th sign from the ascendant. Yogas are all done without house
cusps for the majority of them. We do use house cusps in Vedic astrology like they
do in Western. But yogas are a technique that they use full signs in almost every
case.
CHRIS BRENNAN: So it’s using what western astrologers would call whole sign
house, right?
ERNST WILHELM: Yes.
CHRIS BRENNAN: OK
ERNST WILHELM: So with this yoga I remember once I had a student come in and
she said “ohh I want to have you look at my sister’s chart, she’s thinking about
having another baby.” And she was about to go into the dasha – the period – 7 year
period of the 7th Lord in the 5th. And I said, “No she’s not. She won’t have a baby
with her husband. Instead she’s gonna have an affair.”
Because I just found out that the 7th lord in the 5th tends to get people to get rid of
their partner because they have an affair. I just saw it over and over again. That
yoga was constantly creating an affair that led to the termination of their marriage.
And she just laughed at me. She just laughed and got up and left. 3 months later,
she goes, “Holy shit, my sister is in love with another guy and having an affair. She
does not want to have a baby with her husband.” You know?
CHRIS BRENNAN: Wow.
ERNST WILHELM: And so that yoga saved me. Otherwise, I wouldn’t have guessed
it. And that same yoga – I remember once a guy came up to me at a conference. He
was about to teach a conference he was teaching on yogas. He goes “I’m going to
teach on yogas. I saw you have this book. This is really interesting.”
And…when it comes to yogas you would never expect, the 7th lord in the 5th denying
children and killing your spouse is one of my favourites. Because it blows
astrologers minds, cause in astrology the 5th house is considered a lucky house so
they think when your 7thlord is in the 5th you’re gonna be lucky…with love.
And I said, “Yeah you know this one yoga: the 7th lord in the 5th or whatever”…(and
the yoga also works if the 5th lord’s in the 7th). So the 5th lord in the 7th will do the
same thing. Or the 7th lord in the 5th. Either way they get the same thing.
So I said “yeah when the 5th lord’s in the 7th the spouse will die.” He goes, “really?”
He goes, “you’re right I have that and in that dasha my wife”…(I don’t remember if
she died. He was an old astrologer at the time, she may have died or they divorced.)
And so he was like “wow that’s an amazing yoga.”
Such a simple thing. So those are the yogas you wanna learn. But there’s only a
handful of such yogas that really hit the nail on the head that are unusual. And
they’re not always there. So we can’t always answer the questions with yogas,
because what if the person doesn’t have a yoga that we have learnt, you know?
So it’s more important to focus on our basic principles. Which are also covered
in Brihat Parāśara. Then all the yogas. Brihat Parāśara text does have chapters on
1st house yogas, 2nd house yogas and so on but other books have more of those.
The two best books for house by house yogas are Jataka Tattva and Sarvartha
Chintamani. Those are the two best yoga books for house by house yogas.
CHRIS BRENNAN: And so basic principles in this context would be things like when
the ruler of the house is in a good house or an increasing house, it’s called – like the
upachaya house[s] it indicates the growth or increase or positive things in that area
of the life. So that would be an example of a basic principle instead of a specific
yoga, right?
ERNST WILHELM: Yes. So that’s a basic principle. And for instance, if we say
7th Lord [is] debilitated [Note: In Vedic astrology “debilitated” is equivalent to Fall]
you’ll have 3 wives. Ok. Do we really need to know that? No. We know that [if] the
7th Lord’s debilitated the person’s gonna crash and burn on at least one relationship,
right?
CHRIS BRENNAN: Sure. So difficulty in relation…the broadest statement you could
make is just like difficulties let’s say in the area of relationships if the ruler of the
7th is debilitated or not doing well in the chart.
ERNST WILHELM: Exactly. Yeah and that’s a basic principle. We don’t need to
learn that as a separate yoga. But that is a separate yoga, you know.
But there’s another yoga that’s more interesting. That if the 7th lord’s in the 3rd, in a
movable sign, a person will have two wives. A movable sign is like what you…what
westerners call a cardinal sign. Aries, Cancer, Libra and Capricorn. So if the
7th lord’s in the 3rd in one of those four signs the person will have two wives.
And what usually happens with that combination, they’ll have two at the same time
and usually end up having to let go of one. Or if that planet is really strong they
might manage to keep both of them. So they might have an affair and keep both
women in their life, or they might have an affair and have two wives (two wives
means they’re having sex with two people at the same time) and then eventually
they let go of one. But during the period of that planet, they’ll be involved with two
people at the same time and make the change from one to the other in most cases.
The reason that is, is because the 3rd house is a house of change and the movable
signs we’d call them, you know they’re movable, they change, so you change or
move from one woman to the other if your 7th Lord is in the 3rd in a movable sign.
Pretty simple yoga.
CHRIS BRENNAN: Right. And there are similar delineations in the Hellenistic
tradition with the cardinal or movable signs based on the idea that movable signs
are good at initiating activity but they’re not very good at sticking to it, or staying
fixed to something in the same way the fixed signs are.
ERNST WILHELM: Mhmm. Exactly. Basic principles if you really think about it. And
you know, so, 90% of yogas we can throw out and learn the basic principles. The old
way of learning Vedic astrology until the 1800’s…and by old way I mean from 600
AD or so (from the middle of the Dark Ages) to about the end of the 1800’s. The way
that people learned Vedic astrology was learning as many yogas as possible.
Astrologers used to just sit down and literally remember by rote thousands of yogas
and their skill was largely dependent on how many yogas they remember. They
basically were turning their minds into a computer database of yogas, right.
CHRIS BRENNAN: Right.
ERNST WILHELM: And then when they looked at the chart, a yoga would pop out
and their intuition would help them… [have] the right yoga pop out. And then they’d
make a prediction on that right yoga that their intuition helped pull out and they’d
make great predictions.
Sri Yukteswar, who was Yogananda’s guru. He’s famous for being Paramahansa
Yogananda’s guru. He was an astrologer. And he said, learning astrology by
memorizing countless yogas is a stupid way to learn it. He goes, we need to learn
astrology by learning systematic techniques. He said that in the late 1800’s.
Around that time people started developing and wanting systematic techniques.
Where astrologers started showing up saying ok, let’s do something that’s
systematic. Let’s have a set of rules that we use that covers everything.
One of the first people to do that was KP in KP astrology, the Krishnamurti Paddhati.
And then Iyer came along and developed some techniques, some more systematic
techniques. The Systems Approach is one of these systematic systems. All these
systems are not equal, some are better than others. Parāśara has systematic
principles in it, it’s just no one learnt how to use them. Those are the ones that I’ve
spent 12 years working on. And that’s about it for people trying to do astrology in a
systematic way. But this is what we need to do with astrology.
And on top of that, there’s these surprises that are to be found in the chart that are
defined by all these other millions of yogas.
CHRIS BRENNAN: Right. That’s really interesting how that worked. Because that’s
similar in the western tradition just in terms of sometimes it’s a different way of
learning the approach where you’re describing the way it used to be where people
would, instead of learning the first principles, that you might actually just learn the
delineations or the outcomes of hundreds of different possible placements and their
interpretation first. Like the specifics and then from that they would almost sort of
work backwards to the first principles rather than just starting from the first principles
and then working forward to all the hundreds of possible delineations.
ERNST WILHELM: Yeah. Exactly. And it’s basically. It’s a difference from an
intellectual approach to a concrete approach. Some people like to learn, are
intellectual people, which means they want to understand the why. They care about
why. OK. And those people, they want to know, why does this work? What’s the
principle? What’s the underlying reason? Those people want to understand the
system.
But then there’s people that just wanna know what is. I just wanna know what this is.
You know, a lot of people…I get so many students like that. They go, “I wanna know
what this is. What does this mean?” They don’t wanna know why it means that. They
just wanna know what it means to have 5th lord in the 7th house, you know.
And so yogas appeal to those kind of people. And a lot of people are these kind of
people who study astrology. They [don’t?] wanna know the why. They wanna know
what’s gonna happen and when it’s gonna happen and they don’t care [about] the
why. So yogas are really a great way for them to learn. Oh, this equals this equals
this. That’s all they wanna know. And they don’t wanna be burdened with attempting
to understand some unfathomable technique which is basically how God is working
underneath the surface which is very profound and difficult to understand, you
know?
CHRIS BRENNAN: Sure.
ERNST WILHELM: So, there’s a freshness to learning yogas. It’s just fun. You just
learn the yoga. You see it, you say and you’re right. Wow. It’s a great way to do
astrology.
And I was using yogas a lot until 2004. Most of my amazing predictions were just
based on knowing a lot of these yogas. And I would compile these yogas while sat
down and out of the books I would type all these yogas in. So I’d spend hundreds of
hours typing in my laptop a yoga database from a stack of old Sanskrit books I had.
By the time I had written all those in, a lot of them had just kinda sunk in, right.
And then other ones I would look for when necessary. So I’d spend a few minutes
scanning through yogas. And once you get good at it you can scan a list of yogas
very quickly and…[I] started working with yogas. And eventually when we started
making software we programmed a lot of yogas.
But really, for yogas to work effectively you need to have them in your head. They
don’t work as good just to have a list that you program and search for. The named
yogas work great for that. But a lot of the other yogas you won’t get as good results
as if you actually memorized them. Because when you memorize them your intuition
will pick out the yoga that’s going to work for that chart and you won’t remember the
other ones.
Whereas a computer will ruthlessly pull all the yogas, some of them might not work
in that chart for different reasons. Reasons such as there’s contrary things, there’s
other things going on, there’s strength factors that are affecting the whole picture.
But the intuition can bypass all that stuff and just grab the right yoga out of the chart.
And literally what happens when people learn a lot of yogas is they’ll look at a chart
and the yoga just literally jumps out at you. The only thing you see in the chart
is…like when that lady asked me, “is my sister gonna have a baby with her…they
wanna have another baby what do you think?” I just looked at the chart and that
7th lord in the 5th just jumped out at me and said “I’m the answer”, you know.
CHRIS BRENNAN: Sure.
ERNST WILHELM: And I didn’t see anything else in the chart. Nothing else in that
chart was even apparent to me. So we need to work with what we have in our
heads. What we’ve memorized and learnt with our intuition guiding us through all the
pitfalls of the holes in our knowledge which there’s always going to be because
we’re never gonna learn every yoga. We’re never gonna learn every technique that
could possibly be arguing against the technique that we do know, you know?
CHRIS BRENNAN: Yeah. You can’t memorize all of the millions of different possible
just placements and things like that.
ERNST WILHELM: And then even if you could…and the old guys, they used to.
They literally…I don’t know if you’ve ever seen the Mahabharata. It’s this huge
Indian epic. These guys used to memorize the whole Mahabharata. It’s like
thousands of pages of book. They would memorize it perfectly. And so they had
techniques for memorizing stuff where astrologers would literally remember
thousands of yogas. But our brains…don’t wanna, we don’t wanna do that with our
time, the modern man. But that’s the old school, they literally could memorize not
only thousands but millions of sutras and so…it’s really amazing what the brain is
capable of when we train it.
CHRIS BRENNAN: And that’s one of the reasons why a lot of ancient texts, where it
was popular both in the west. I was talking to Benjamin Dykes about this recently,
who did a translation of Dorotheus of Sidon from the 1st century which is a versed
text in Greek. But that was also common in India to versify texts, like
the Yavanajātaka. Because it makes it easier to remember them if it’s in the form of
a poem or almost like a song or something.
ERNST WILHELM: Yeah. They have Sanskrit metres. There’s different Sanskrit
metres by which Sanskrit texts are written. I think these metres have somehow been
developed to work with how the brain naturally works.
Like as a simple example, phone numbers. We have three numbers, a dash, three
more numbers, a dash and four numbers. It’s easier to remember a phone number
in 3, 3, 4 with no more than 4 numbers at a time than it is to remember 7 numbers at
a time. And that’s why we do it that way. People just found it easier to remember
phone numbers as three sets of three numbers that are no longer than four digits a
number than it was to remember 7 numbers as one set.
Because our brain doesn’t want to remember seven numbers as one set. It wants to
remember things in sets up to four. So there are certain ways the brains work that
the Sanskrit metres are all based on. Of course, once we translate those to English
there’s no meter left and it’s kind of hopeless, right.
CHRIS BRENNAN: Right. That’s kind of unfortunate that we’re losing that piece of it
when we translate it into English. That it’s not going to rhyme and have that.
Because that actually makes them even more interesting, in terms of that
memorization component, to realize that all these things are being memorized
because they rhymed and were in verse and had that sort of component to them. It
would almost be nice to attempt to create a new set. I don’t know if anyone’s done
that… a new set of yogas or rules like that, that did rhyme or had that memorization
component in English.
ERNST WILHELM: Totally. It would be a really great thing for someone who’s poetic
to take the yogas, take astrology principles and write them out in poem. I actually
thought that would be fun to do at one point, you know. So that we could just sing a
little song to our self in our minds as we read a chart. Because it is hard to memorize
the way that we write things down in English. It’s very hard.
CHRIS BRENNAN: Right. Except it would be for specific things, like that, ‘if the ruler
of the 5this in the 7th then…blablabla.’ Yeah. That would be really interesting.
So bringing things back around a bit. So with the different yogas there’s
placements…And one of the reasons I thought that this, I wanted to say this episode
would be interesting to do is because even though, on the one hand as you said the
yogas are just any placement or any combination I think this is an easy, this is an
approachable topic for Western astrologers to approach Indian astrology [through]
because of some of the more complex yogas where you do have multiple
placements or multiple combinations of the placements.
And then there’s a specific delineation because it shows you the approach to chart
synthesis that’s available in Indian astrology. And there’s something appealing about
that I think to Western astrologers because chart synthesis is often something that’s
kinda lacking or not very well defined in modern Western astrology.
ERNST WILHELM: Yeah. It’s not well defined for sure. But I think, I totally agree it’s
something Western astrologers could use these…they could use 70-80% of them
right away. Only a few of them would have things that are strange to western
astrologers.
CHRIS BRENNAN: Sure. So like one of those I think is in Indian astrology I think the
voice is associated with the second house, right?
ERNST WILHELM: Yeah. Voice, speech is associated with the second house, yes.
CHRIS BRENNAN: OK. Whereas they might, I don’t know, they might associate that
with the 3rd house or whatever.
ERNST WILHELM: Yeah. Or Mercury. Yeah.
CHRIS BRENNAN: Right.
ERNST WILHELM: But I’m talking about most things they have the same houses,
so, I think Western astrologers could follow most yogas that they came across.
CHRIS BRENNAN: And that’s actually a point where you have a similar approach
that would make this more approachable or easier for a lot of people. Because you
actually are unique in your personal practice where you use, even though you
practice Vedic astrology, you use the Tropical zodiac, right?
ERNST WILHELM: Yeah. You know what happened is, I started studying the old
texts and especially the old astronomy books. I started realizing that the Indian
astrologers around 500AD had no idea whether they were using sidereal or tropical.
They didn’t even know. Because they’d make statements that’d show that they had
lost the knowledge of the precession of the equinoxes.
Even in the philosophical books, so like, even in the Srimad Bhagavatam, which is
one of the key philosophical books from India, they show that when that book was
written they did not have knowledge of the precession.
And of course precession is what makes the tropical and sidereal zodiacs different.
And there’s more things in the astronomy books that point to them using tropical
even though they didn’t know that there was a sidereal. They didn’t differentiate at
that time. And the Srimad Bhagavatam was voiced probably around 900 BC but it
wasn’t put down into writing in the version we have until about 700 AD or so, I
believe. And at that time, the Indians did not know.
We know for sure from the writing of Yavanajātaka, which is about 50 AD. That
book shows that they did not know of the precession of the equinoxes. And then
around 550 AD we’ve got Varāhamihira in his astronomical book showing that he
was not aware of precession.
And then Āryabhaṭa in 599 or [the] end of 500’s I think Āryabhaṭa was around. He’s
the person that western civilization got a lot of their mathematics from. He was an
astronomer. He alludes to tropical more, but you can tell he’s not making a
statement.
So you can still tell there was not this idea that there was really two definable
zodiacs during that [time] at least until 599AD. We don’t know when this idea of two
zodiacs came into place. And what’s really interesting at that time period, the first
600 years. All the texts…the first 650 years till about the 7th century the astrology
texts we have from that time period don’t use Vimshottari dasha.
CHRIS BRENNAN: OK. Interesting.
ERNST WILHELM: Instead, they use dashas that are more like Ptolemy’s terms. So
they’re more like Greek dashas actually.
CHRIS BRENNAN: So like, primary directions or something like that?
ERNST WILHELM: No, no. Not directions. They’re basically…you find the strongest
planet on an angle and that becomes the lord of the first term, or the first dasha.**
CHRIS BRENNAN: Right.
ERNST WILHELM: I think…I don’t remember this much, but if you get some of the
old western books. Like the Greek books…I don’t even know if Manilius is Greek.
I’m way out of my terms here. But there’s book Manilius and he has terms in it. Are
you familiar with that book?
CHRIS BRENNAN: Yeah, yeah. I think what you’re talking about sounds kind of like
the approach to the length of life technique and they had a time lord, or a dasha
system that was built in to that.
ERNST WILHELM: Yes. Exactly. All the books we have from that time period up
until the …6ththrough the 7th century use that kind of time system. They don’t use
Vimshottari dasha.
CHRIS BRENNAN: So when does that show up…that shows up at Parāśara?
ERNST WILHELM: And then after that, the books after that, there doesn’t seem to
be a lot of books from 6th-7th century until about the 12th century. Then we start
having some 12thcentury books. We do have some commentaries on some old
books, written in the 11thcentury I believe. So we don’t really have a whole lot until
about then.
Those books start emphasizing Vimshottari dasha. So you know, Vimshottari dasha
is based on the Moons position in its nakshatra, which is a sidereal phenomenon.
The other dashas or terms, that are more term like the Greek, some of the, I don’t
know, old western stuff…Manilius and so on. Those dashas are all based on signs
of course. And the base, the dasha length is determined to a large degree by how
far the planet is from exaltation which is determined by its sign.
So I think what happened is, the astrologers were using the tropical zodiac but didn’t
know there was a difference between sidereal. But there was. So they couldn’t
get…from 100-700AD or up until 700AD from about 0AD…They couldn’t get
Vimshottari dasha to work. Because they were calculating the nakshatras tropically
they couldn’t get it to work. Then they started realizing there was something called
precession towards the end of the 500’s and they slowly started realizing, ‘but wait a
minute, there’s two zodiacs’ and they followed the sidereal.
Once they started following the sidereal zodiac the dashas of terms quit working. But
the dasha based on the Moons nakshatra, which is sidereal, was working. So after
that we see Vimshottari dasha. And we don’t see any sign based dashas.
In Jaimini system it’s all sign based dashas. Some Jaimini techniques are preserved
in some of the older Parāśara books, but no sign dashas, no sign based timing
systems, were preserved. Those are in Jaimini though. Jaimini is completely sign
based. And so I think that Vimshottari became the popular dasha because it was a
sidereal based dasha because it’s based on the nakshatras, the stars…not the rāśis,
the signs which were tropical.
So when I started seeing all this I started seeing how these astrologers up until the
7thcentury had no idea whether they were using tropical or sidereal. But based on
what they say there’s more evidence they were using tropical, but thought they were
using sidereal when they started noticing a separation. When they started noticing
the stars moving from the vernal equinox. At which point they kept following those
stars and developed the sidereal system that they kept using.
So after seeing that I started testing everything and I spent two years not really
telling anyone. I told some of my closest associates in astrology what I was working
on…that I was working on the, testing the tropical and it seemed like it could be very
valid. But otherwise I really kept it to myself and I tested every technique I knew for
two years. And statistically every technique tested out better on the tropical zodiac.
Then I programmed some really simple things. Like Saturn Mars conjunctions…tend
to break things. So I programmed some of these simple things. And I programmed
them in sidereal with Lahiri ayanāṃśa…which is the most commonly used
ayanāṃśa. With tropical. With tropical + 30 degrees. Where we take the tropical
position and add 30 degrees. And a completely random ayanāṃśa, where every
chart we just randomly pick a number between 0 and 160 [360?] and use that as the
sidereal correction, and created a sidereal zodiac out of that random correction or
ayanāṃśa.
And then, so I programmed several simple things and then I had about 700 people
who went to this website I built for it. And based on their chart it would give them
four answers based on these four different calculations.
So tropical tested out best in every single technique we programmed. The next best
was tropical + 30 degrees. After that the sidereal zodiac tested out the very same
percentage as a random zodiac, as randomly picking a number between 0 and 360.
So I think when people are using a sidereal zodiac they might as well just pick any
number and any ayanāṃśa. It makes no difference. Because they had the exact
same percentage of results as a random ayanāṃśa.
CHRIS BRENNAN: Wow.
ERNST WILHELM: So after finishing that test I finally let everyone know I was only
using tropical. That sidereal tested out badly in my own tests and on tests on 700
people. Every time the tropical beat the sidereal. So at that point I just stopped doing
the sidereal and never looked back.
CHRIS BRENNAN: OK. And that’s interesting just in terms [of] the historical bit.
Because there was a lot of, not controversy, but there was a lot of confusion in the
western tradition for the first few hundred years as well. Between like the first
century BCE and the 5th century CE basically. Where the astrologers, it’s not really
clear that even though precession had been discovered by Hipparchus, most of the
astrologers don’t seem to have been aware of it. And it’s not clear that they
understood what zodiac they were using or that there was a difference between the
two.
ERNST WILHELM: Yep. And then there was a group of people in the first century in
Greece who were putting the vernal equinox at 8 degrees Aries.
CHRIS BRENNAN: Right.
ERNST WILHELM: And I don’t know why they did that. Maybe because they figured
the earth tilts at approximately 22 degrees to you know the ecliptic and so they…or
the ecliptics at you know an angle to the earth so they took off 22 degrees from
Taurus. I don’t know what they were thinking but there’s…Ptolemy talks about it.
That there’s astrologers using sidereal, tropical and 8 degrees Aries on the vernal
equinox. Isn’t that crazy?
CHRIS BRENNAN: Yeah…I mean it was just based on inheriting an old value from
the Mesopotamian tradition from like hundreds and hundreds of years earlier. It was
no longer relevant or valid.
ERNST WILHELM: OK. And then they used it in a fixed fashion, instead of a
changeable fashion. So they were using a sidereal zodiac that was accurate in that
past but not in that time.
CHRIS BRENNAN: Yeah. Or something like that, or a blended one….
ERNST WILHELM: Yep. I’m sure. Yeah, so a lot of funny things had been
happening during that time, yeah.
CHRIS BRENNAN: Yeah, just due to, I mean we take precession for granted now.
But you have to go back into a time period in which that’s just like, a theory. I mean
it’s probably not a good analogy but you could almost put it like global warming or
something like that. Where if it was a hundred years ago and people took it as a
theory that this is something that’s happened. But if it hadn’t been demonstrated or
proved or something yet, where it’s like a scientific theory that some people accept
and other people reject and say ‘no, you know, maybe that’s just a side effect of
something else.’
Ernst: Yeah. Something like that. And I think one of the problems we’ve always had
in astrology…is that we’ve had people talking about the old Indian books, is
astrologers not learning their astronomy.
CHRIS BRENNAN: Right.
ERNST WILHELM: And that’s been happening where the, you know, there’s one
group of people who even in India they call them the panchānga makers, the people
who make the ephemeris’ and they don’t practice astrology. And then there’s
astrologers who practice astrology and have no clue how to make an ephemeris,
you know.
And we’ve had that division in the west and we’ve had that division in India too. So I
think when the astrologer doesn’t even understand astronomy it’s really easy for
things to start going in an incorrect direction. Then you look back and a thousand,
two thousand years have passed and people are doing things that make absolutely
no sense. In India to this day they celebrate the northward movement of the Sun on
January 14th.
CHRIS BRENNAN: January. So that’s where they…that’s an old value for like the…
ERNST WILHELM: No…the sun never moved north on January 14th. It always does
it on December 21st. It’s a tropical motion right.
CHRIS BRENNAN: Right.
ERNST WILHELM: But they associate the moving of the Sun north not with the
actual movement of the Sun. They associate that with when the Sun enters
Capricorn. And since they calculate Capricorn sidereally it happens January 14 th.
CHRIS BRENNAN: OK. Right.
ERNST WILHELM: And I’ve talked to people and I’ve said, “no, it’s already moved
north for three weeks.” They go “no.” And know what they told me, they said, ‘that
maybe in the rest of the world the sun moves north on January 21 st [December 21st]
but in India the Sun doesn’t move north till January…oh I’m sorry, January 14 th.’
That’s what people told me in India, that I’ve argued this with. No, in India the Sun
moves north 3 weeks later than the rest of the world. That’s how bad their
astronomy is, you know. Sometimes.
CHRIS BRENNAN: Yeah. That’s always been a tricky issue and a hotly debated
issue in almost, you know many astrological conditions in terms of the zodiac issue
but I guess just the important point here is that when you’re using yogas, you’re
using whole sign houses and you’re using the tropical zodiac so effectively you’re
using an approach that’s very similar to my approach for example. A Hellenistic
astrologer where I’m also using the tropical zodiac and whole sign houses even
though some of the qualities that we might attribute to the houses or to the signs
might be slightly different.
ERNST WILHELM: Yes. …(?) Yeah the yogas will just fit right in that, what you’re
doing.
CHRIS BRENNAN: And then in terms of the timing techniques. So one of the
principles with some of these yogas is that they indicate certain outcomes or certain
predictions that are sort of built in to the chart but that they’re lying dormant until
they get activated by the dasha systems which are the equivalent of like the
Hellenistic time-lord systems and what dasha systems do you use at this point in
order to determine the activation of some of these yogas?
ERNST WILHELM: For yogas, you want to use the Vimshottari dasha.
CHRIS BRENNAN: OK.
ERNST WILHELM: OK. Vimshottari dasha works fantastic with yogas. It’s definitely
the dasha to use for that.
CHRIS BRENNAN: OK. Yeah and that is, as you were talking about earlier, the most
widely used dasha system I think amongst Vedic astrologers, right?
ERNST WILHELM: Yes. By far the most widely used. A lot of people think that’s the
only one that exists. That’s how popular it is, yeah.
CHRIS BRENNAN: OK. And do you sometimes employ other ones, or is that your
main one still as well?
ERNST WILHELM: Not for using yogas. For yogas it’s the only dasha I use.
CHRIS BRENNAN: OK. Got it. And let’s see…other things. Oh yeah one other thing
I meant to touch on is that, so sometimes these are straight forward because you
have different categories or different breakdowns of like, auspicious yogas or
inauspicious yogas or mixed yogas. But then there’s also mitigating conditions
sometimes for some of these yogas where there can be a mitigation if there’s a
certain placement that’s intervening. Or sometimes if you have two different yogas
taking place at the same time, can they cancel out or mitigate each other in some
sense?
ERNST WILHELM: OK. Yeah so there’s a lot of things going on with yogas. And
most planets are gonna be involved in many yogas first of all, to complicate the
issue. So it’s not always a straight-forward thing.
Then also, a yoga is almost always involved with more than one thing. So, if you’re
running the Mercury period and it’s creating a yoga with Venus, in Mercury-Venus
you’ll get that yoga in full. But if you’re running Saturn dasha and you go into the sub
period of Venus. During Saturn-Venus you’re not gonna get those effects of that
Venus yoga that you got in the Mercury period. So it has to be taken into context of
the other planets involved in the yoga and the periods that a person’s actually in at
any given time. That’s one big thing.
Then a planet is always doing so many things. He’s giving the effects of his yogas.
And he’s giving the effects of his conditions. And then he’s giving the effects of his
houses to his best ability. Those three things might all line up, they might all be
contrary or they might just be completely different things. So if those three things line
up, you’re going to get an extreme case. So if you get someone… a yoga that says
you’ll be poor. And that planet is also the ruler of your 2nd house which is in your
8th house with Saturn and Rahu…or with Saturn and the north node, then you know
that they’re going to get a beating to their wealth. So then we have two things
pointing in the same direction. And then if the…well three things because at that
point we’ve got the ruler of the 2nd in the 8th which is difficult, and then we stick it with
Saturn and Rahu that puts it in a bad condition.
CHRIS BRENNAN: So there could be intensifying conditions that make it worse.
ERNST WILHELM: Yeah. So you’ve got everything against wealth during that time,
so wealth is going to be disastrous. Right.
But let’s say a person has got, oh, the second lord in the 8th house, which is gonna
cause a break to wealth. Some setback to wealth. But then let’s say the second lord
is in what we call a delighted condition, a condition of happiness. Then we’re gonna
have a break and also something good. So we’re going to get two things. And then
we’re gonna get whatever the effects of the yoga is too.
And the yoga may not even bare on wealth. It might be a yoga that bares on
something else. So in that case, when two things are showing different things, you
usually get…if two things are showing contrary things you’ll get two things of
opposite nature, that usually end up creating a balance. So you get $100 but then
you lose $100.
CHRIS BRENNAN: Sure. Yeah that’s often a question I have about some of those
placements cause I’ve seen it sometimes go both ways and so you have a question
of does it cancel out, or do you just get both sort of simultaneously, or one after the
other, or something like that.
ERNST WILHELM: You’ll usually get both at somewhat different times. Because
usually the thing that’s causing the contrary is something else. So let’s say I
get…let’s say I’ve got the Moon. And it’s the 2nd lord. And it’s with Saturn. That
means Moon is starved. So the Moon is gonna starve their wealth.
But then let’s also say that the Moon is aspected by Mercury his friend, now the
moon’s delighted. We have a moon that’s both starved and delighted. So when
they’re in moon dasha and they go into the sub period of Saturn, their Moon’s going
to be starved and they’re gonna struggle for wealth. But the next dasha after Saturn,
(they’ll be in Moon)…from Moon-Saturn they’ll go to Moon-Mercury. In Moon-
Mercury, the Mercury delights the Moon and the wealth comes back.
So in Moon period they both starve for wealth and they’re delighted in wealth. They
get both things at different times.
CHRIS BRENNAN: OK.
ERNST WILHELM: But let’s say that we had a yoga where both planets were
causing, say both Moon and Saturn were causing a yoga for wealth and a yoga for
losing wealth. No other planet was involved. It’s just them. Then in Moon-Saturn
they would mitigate each other and you would maintain the status quo, on average.
But really what you’d have to do, you’d have to evaluate the two contrary yogas and
say ok, Moon and Saturn are giving wealth for this reason, but they’re taking wealth
for this reason. Which reason is stronger? And then we can compare which one is
giving more or which ones taking more and find out if the end is more or less than
where they’re at going into that period. So we can mathematically evaluate those
contradictions as well.
CHRIS BRENNAN: OK. That makes sense. So that’s important and then part of the
other important underlying notion or principle here is that the yogas indicate certain
outcomes. But that these can be modified for better or worse based on things like
sign placement, aspect to the yogas and other things like sub-divisional placement
and things like that. Basically, right?
ERNST WILHELM: Well, yeah. Basically you’re gonna get that yoga. You’re gonna
get that yoga to the strength of the yoga. But you’re also going to get everything else
that that planet is doing. You’re going to get what it’s doing as a house lord. Which
may compensate for what it’s doing as a bad yoga. So every paths (?) gonna be
different.
And then you’re also gonna get what you’re getting in the divisional charts from that
planet. So maybe in the divisional charts the planets really good in wealth but it’s in
a bad yoga for wealth. So now we’ve got something showing contrary effects. An
astrologer has to say ‘OK, what’s making it give good money in the varga…in the
divisional chart.’ When that thing comes up it’ll give money. But when this yoga
comes up it’ll give bad.
So a planet is always doing multiple things and we have to evaluate all those
intelligently and that’s just part of learning the Vedic astrology.
But you could be pretty accurate just using yogas if it works with your intuition. Let
me give you an example. That’s why I say we don’t wanna…we program yogas that
we just search through them other than the named yogas we’ll just make a confused
mess of the reading. We have to learn the yogas and then when we look at a chart a
yoga pops into our head.
Like for instance back when I was first studying astrology I did everything on
donation. And I had a reading. I printed out the chart and I looked at the chart and I
said “wow, this person’s wealthy. I’m gonna get a great donation today.” And I was
starving to death from my first days so a big donation was really what I needed, you
know.
CHRIS BRENNAN: Sure, sure.
ERNST WILHELM: But just two days before I’d read a book, and in that book I’d
read a yoga that said: ‘If the navamsa lord of the Moon or the navamsa lord of the
lagna [ascendant] lord is in the 12th a person will be poor.’ And I looked at her chart
and I said oh she’s gonna have so much wealth and all of a sudden this idea came
‘look for that yoga that you just read about two days ago’ and I looked and she had
the navamsa lord, which is the D9 divisional lord of her Moon AND of her ascendant
lord both in the 12th. So she had that yoga twice, right.
CHRIS BRENNAN: Right.
ERNST WILHELM: And that means they’ll be poor. So when she came in, I said
“you’ve been to other astrologers before, right?” She goes, “yeah, I’ve been to a lot.”
I said, “Every one of them said you were fantastically wealthy, right?” She said: “yep,
they all said I was really wealthy.” And I said, “And when you said that you weren’t
wealthy, they all said one day you’ll be really wealthy, right?” She goes “yep, they all
said that when I said that.” I said “well I’m here to tell you, you’re never gonna be
filthy wealthy.”
CHRIS BRENNAN: Just cause of that, based on that yoga placement.
ERNST WILHELM: Because of that yoga. It was a double whammy. And she was so
happy, she said “oh I’m glad to hear that because I don’t care about money. I don’t
have making money as a goal at all. And when those astrologers told me I was
supposed to be wealthy I was wondering if I was doing something wrong every time
I’d hear that. So I’m really relieved to hear that I’m not gonna be wealthy. And I’m
totally good with that.”
So my intuition decided to just look up this yoga in this person’s chart. If my intuition
hadn’t said look for this yoga, I would’ve botched that whole reading. I would’ve
been like every other astrologer she went to. I would’ve said, you’re really wealthy
right? You’ve got so much money. And she would’ve said no. I would’ve said, well
one day you’ll be wealthy. And she would’ve said ‘oh, maybe.’ And I would’ve been
absolutely wrong.
So yogas need to work with the intuition. Memorize them. Learn them. And look at
the chart and see what jumps out at you. And if they jump out at you, then you can
trust them. Then you know, you don’t need to look at all the hundred other things
that could be getting in the way of the yoga. If your intuition seizes on that yoga you
won’t have any choice but to say the results of that yoga and you’ll be right. If you try
to intellectualize it though and looking at all the possibilities, you’ll be pulling your
hair out and not making good predictions. So we have to use our intuition with yogas
it makes it a lot easier.
CHRIS BRENNAN: Yeah. That makes sense. So it’s not just this mathematical thing
where you’re adding up point scores or doing something statistically. But for you
there’s this other component that has to do with ah, certainly the intuition or the
practice or the things that come up in the process of reading a chart that are kind of
unique in that moment in some sense.
ERNST WILHELM: Yes. And the truth is we can do it all mathematically. I could do it
all mathematically. I know enough to do it all mathematically and precisely. But I’ll
tell you, it’s gonna be so much work and so painful no one will be able to pay me
enough to go through that. It’s too intellectually painful to work on a reading on a
hundred percent intellectual level.
So the intuition is saying here I am, listen to me, listen to me, I’m the yoga you gotta
talk about. I’m gonna talk about it. Save myself an hour’s worth of work, you know.
Of painful drudgerous work.
But when it comes to researching, no. When it’s comes to researching and testing
statistically that’s all very brutal, statistical, methodical work you know.
CHRIS BRENNAN: OK. So that’s sort of the difference between the research into
the techniques and establishing which ones work the most versus just the process of
doing a consultation and a unique set up of a client and astrologer and the unique
basis of that consultation at that specific moment in time.
ERNST WILHELM: Yes. And the people who do good readings are people who
listen to what’s happening during their reading and respond to what they see in the
chart. Not intellectual people. If we over-intellectualize a reading then a person will
get lost in the woods really fast. You know. Cause there’s not enough time in a
reading to pour through these things, you just got to get into the flow. Trust your
higher self, your intuition, whatever you wanna call it. See in the chart what needs to
be seen. And to see the things that are happening even though, yes, there’s always
something contrary. But being able to listen to that feeling of yes, I can see this other
thing getting in the way…but this is what’s actually going to happen.
The bottom line is, everything in the chart is contradictory. There’s always so much
contrary stuff going on in a chart. And trying to measure all that all the time is really
painful.
Sometimes you have to. When I do a reading I just go with the reading and I see
what happens. The intuition and just the knowledge that’s in the astrologer
combined with their intuition will get a lot of the reading done.
After that, that initial part of the reading the person might ask something that the
astrologer just didn’t see. At that point the astrologer has to look and see if they see
it and if they don’t then they gotta get busy with real astrology. With scientific, hard-
ass, crunch-the-numbers, methodical don’t miss anything astrology to work it out.
And that’s hard. That means that question takes 20 minutes to answer versus the
question that just comes out, is just so visible to the astrologer for some reason it
takes one second to answer.
CHRIS BRENNAN: Sure. And that’s probably, in the long term…people often ask
me about like ‘why can’t you just plug all of this stuff into a computer and have it spit
out a delineation.’
And one of the issues computers have is chart synthesis on the one hand and
synthesizing the thousands of different placements that are sometimes
contradictory. And knowing how to weigh different ones. But also probably knowing
that third component that you’re talking about which is the thing that arises in the
moment sort of spontaneously from the consultation.
ERNST WILHELM: Exactly. And until a human is smart enough to know astrology
perfectly enough they won’t be able to program a computer to do it.
CHRIS BRENNAN: Sure.
ERNST WILHELM: Because a computer is only going to use the techniques as
scientifically as the astrologer. And the truth is most techniques we use aren’t
scientific enough in the context of perhaps just not being that good. But also in the
context of especially everything else that’s going on, you know. We can look at a
chart and grab one thing out of the chart and make a prediction but a computer is
going to look at everything.
And what astrologer looks at everything that’s really happening and can synthesize
everything, in their reading? Sometimes we have to do that. But most of the reading
is not that. Most of the reading is just somehow knowing the right thing to talk about
and ignoring something else.
CHRIS BRENNAN: Right. And that actually might provide a nice segway to the final
point that I wanted to touch on before we wrap up which is just, there’s one class of
yogas that you talk about actually very early in your book that has to do with all of
the planets in your chart being in certain placements.
So one of them was all of the planets being in fixed signs for example. Or there’s
one where all of the angular houses are occupied by benefics. Or there’s another
class where there’s certain chart patterns that are formed in the chart that sort of
similar to the modern 20thcentury western idea of planetary patterns essentially.
ERNST WILHELM: Mhmm. Yeah. And anyone who is into planetary patterns really
needs to learn those what are called Nabhasa yogas. The most interesting ones are
the Nabhasa Akriti yogas which are the more planetary patterns.
I know western astrologers tried working on that in the early days – in the 40’s. Like
Marc Edmund Jones worked on that in that book where he talks about bucket
formation and all this. That stuff is a complete joke compared to the Nabhasa yogas.
If you want to learn planetary patterns, the Nabhasa yogas will blow your mind.
They’re the real planetary patterns. I think people have been trying and struggling.
But these are the old ones from the enlightened guys. These Nabhasa yogas are
shown in all the important old astrology books but nobody uses them. Nobody even
knows how to use them until I wrote about them in the Core Yogas book. But
they’re absolutely amazing yogas.
In fact I have one student from long ago who has a busy practice. And pretty much
all they use is Nabhasa yogas and compatibility. And they specialize in relationships.
And without those Nabhasa yogas they don’t feel like they can do a proper job for
their clients. They’re super important foundation yogas. I cover those in the
Astrology of Character course and they’re also in the first part of that Core
Yogas book. But those are amazing yogas. Those are the first yogas given in the
Parāśara text. And they’re just really neat. They are important planetary yogas. Like
the yoga: when the majority of the planets [are] falling from the 4th to the 7th house is
the arrow yoga.
CHRIS BRENNAN: OK.
ERNST WILHELM: And these people, you know, are ruthless people. They go for
what they want. Nothing gets in their way. They ride over anyone when they want
something. They’ll kill people. In the old days they say they’ll kill people to get what
they want, you know. And you’ll find these people just tend to be sharks a lot of the
time. And if they’re passive people, they could be passive sharks. But they’re very
intent and need to have their desires met. They just have a burning need to have
their desires met and don’t understand how they could have any happiness until
their desire is met. And their desire becomes the biggest thing in their life. A very
difficult foundation for people to have.
And I learnt the importance of this yoga once when I was at a conference and there
was an astrologer there who had this powerful chart, you know, the chart of
everything so powerful, exalted this and this and that. Super powerful chart. But he
was having conflicts with everyone there. Not with me because I manage to avoid
conflict. But every other person there this guy was having some conflict with. And
during his classes he was actually insulting other astrologers who were at the
conference. Like just, shooting arrows into them, you know.
And he came and asked me to look at his chart. And I said “oh, you’ve got the
5th lord in the 7th so you haven’t had good luck in marriage.” He had that yoga by the
way, it’s funny. And he said, “yeah, yeah.” But I noticed he had this arrow yoga…so I
said oh that’s why you’re not getting along with anybody. Such a beautiful chart in
every way but this arrow yoga. And it really explained a lot of problems he was
having with other guys. In fact the astrologer he insulted went up to him after the
class and almost beat him up in the corner of the conference room, this is how
pissed he was.
CHRIS BRENNAN: Wow.
ERNST WILHELM: So, yeah these yogas are really important.
CHRIS BRENNAN: So that’s an example of one where it’s all the planets or most of
the planets in the chart are between the fourth and the seventh house. And then
other ones are like, all of the planets in the bottom half of the chart, below the
horizon. Or all of the planets in the top half of the chart. Things like that right?
ERNST WILHELM: Yep. So when they’re all, the planets…well and there has to be
a chain. There’s basically twenty patterns. You have to find the pattern that the chart
follows most closely and you only use the seven planets, Sun through Saturn. You
don’t use the outer planets. You don’t use Rahu and Ketu.
And some charts will just follow one pattern perfectly. That’s really rare. Most charts
will follow two or three patterns imperfectly. And they’ll follow those the same
imperfectly. They’ll have a mix of those patterns. Then some people will have just
one pattern that they follow imperfectly and that’s the only pattern you have to
consider.
You have to study all twenty and say ok, which of these twenty patterns does this
chart most closely follow. And that’s the one they are. If they have more than one
pattern that they follow the same closely. Say there’s two patterns where six planets
follow perfectly and one planet doesn’t follow the pattern. Then they have those two
planets [patterns] equally. Then they’re gonna have a mix of those planets.
And that’s what I often find. People who’ve got….you know, a lot of people come in
to get an astrology reading have hard lives. Well. When they have hard lives usually
you have a tough pattern. But they’ll usually also have one or two good patterns
that’s trying to help them get away from that tough pattern. So I just see so often one
good pattern and one bad pattern, or two good patterns and one bad pattern to the
people who actually come in who have got tough lives, you know. And so the
person’s struggling with those patterns and trying to go towards the good.
But it really helps to understand these patterns like the, you know, when we have
like the yoga where all the planets are going from the first to 7th. The ideal yoga, the
perfect pattern is one planet in the 1st, one in the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th and 7th. So a
perfect chain of planets. That’s the boat yoga. And these people basically they’re
very emotionally dependent on everything. Everything is a…they’re very need
centred. And they’re so need centred that the smallest need not being met causes
them to rock the boat and tip the boat. So if you’re dating a person like that, the day
you can’t be there for them that they need you they just won’t be able to hold it
together. They’ll be so upset for you and you’ll be making up for it for a month.
So there’s just so much need in that person to have the external fulfilled that they’re
hoping for that when it’s not met they very easily get depressed and upset and so
you can’t really be happy with those people cause you know, they can’t be happy in
a reasonable relationship or any reasonable job or whatever.
So that’s one of the patterns. But then there’s like the parasol yoga. The umbrella
yoga. Where we have a chain from the 7th to the 12th house of 7 planets. And that’s
a great combination. Those people can just go through hell and back and hardly a
drop of hot lava lands on them thanks to their umbrella. So when these people have
hard lives, when there’s a good pattern like the parasol yoga, they grow out of that
and they grow past it. When people have bad patterns the hard things in their lives
are more devastating.
So if you get two people and both people had their parents die when they were four
and one person has a good pattern they’re growing out of that, they’re growing past
all that trauma somehow. Whereas the person with the bad yoga, you know, that
trauma is just, the reason, the excuse, whatever you want to call it for making every
bad decision they can possibly make.
So you can really, with these patterns you can see if people are going in a direction
of greater health no matter what difficulties are shown in their chart. Or if they’re
going in the direction of just making life hard for themselves even when they do have
some other great things in their chart.
So it’s a foundation of the chart. If it’s a foundation that’s solid that they can build on,
or if their foundation is kind of like quick sand that every good thing eventually is just
gonna sink into the quick-sand.
CHRIS BRENNAN: Sure. And you said that these, most of these planetary pattern
ones don’t involve the nodes, Rahu and Ketu.
ERNST WILHELM: None of them do.
CHRIS BRENNAN: But there are some other yogas elsewhere in the book that do. I
think they are called Kala Sarpa yogas that involves the nodes Rahu and Ketu,
right?
ERNST WILHELM: Yeah. There are some yogas that involves Rahu and Ketu. Most
of the important yogas don’t involve Rahu and Ketu, though some of them do.
These Nabhasa yogas are only the seven visible planets. Because it’s the pattern,
it’s the visible pattern. You’ve got to be able to look out your window and see the
pattern in the sky actually.
CHRIS BRENNAN: Right. Yeah, because that would be striking. I mean for
example, the parasol or the umbrella one you were just talking about.
ERNST WILHELM: Sure.
CHRIS BRENNAN: Theoretically at least you could look up and see six planets, or
seven planetary bodies literally going across the entire sky.
ERNST WILHELM: Yep. Yeah exactly. A beautiful night.
CHRIS BRENNAN: Alright.
ERNST WILHELM: And sometimes when that stuff happens you know, NASA will
put up a bulletin. Oh there’s an amazing thing, there’s seven planets all lined up in a
perfect semi-arc across the sky. And it’s good if the arc hits the right place. But if it’s
from the 1st to 7th it’s difficulty. But from the 7th to the 1st it’s gonna be a nice time to
be born.
CHRIS BRENNAN: Sure. Alright well I mean, I think that covers [it]. We’ve covered a
lot of ground today so this was a great conversation. Thanks a lot for coming on. If
people wanted to learn more about planetary yogas where could they go and what
else could they learn, or what do you offer in terms of teaching that?
ERNST WILHELM: OK. Sure. I have the Core Yogas book which I wrote back in
2002. That’s available. I did that with the sidereal zodiac. I was still using the
sidereal zodiac at that time. So, you can learn it, but then apply it tropically if you get
that book. So yogas are all there. You can look up all the yogas. You can read about
the yogas. You can understand all the yogas from that book. But I recommend doing
all of them in tropical not sidereal the way the examples are done in the book.
CHRIS BRENNAN: And that’s available as a PDF on your website, right?
ERNST WILHELM: It’s a PDF. Yep. Then I’ve also got a course called Astrology
of Characterwhich covers all the foundation yogas including those Nabhasa yogas.
That was done in sidereal. That was done in like, 2001. Before the book even came
out. Or 2002 when the book came out. It’s an old course.
Then there’s a course called Parāśara’s Formula for Yoga Judgement. That course I
basically teach how to use all the timing dependent yogas, and all the named yogas
and the Raj yogas which are really important because…we didn’t even get into
that…but the Raj yoga system, there’s this idea that certain planets become good or
bad depending on the houses they rule. It’s a very important concept that’s vastly
misused in Vedic astrology that really shows a lot of the core of the person and
which are also timing dependent. So I cover those yogas in detail in that course.
In that course I also show the way I use to mathematically evaluate the yogas. In the
book I use something called Subha, Asubha and Misra yogas. Which means
auspicious, inauspicious and mixed yogas. Those are from Satya Jatakam, written
by…an old book attributed to an ancient sage and master of astrology who had his
own system of astrology.
At that time, that was the best tool I could find to evaluate the yogas. They’re sort of
yogas within themselves. They’re just a principle by which you can judge any planet
based on several factors. Sort of like a holistic principle. So I was using that to judge
yogas back then.
But since then due to all the work with the Parāśara text I now use something called
Subha, which means auspicious, Asubha which mean inauspicious, Ishta which
means the desires, Kashta which means the sick, the diseased and the directional
strength of the planet to evaluate the yogas.
And I teach that in the course but not in the book. So I recommend the course more
than the book if you want to learn how to mathematically evaluate the yogas.
But for the foundation yogas and just to learn the yogas, the book is great. And the
book is great just as a reference to the yogas. To be able to search them and find
them and things like that. OK.
CHRIS BRENNAN: Yeah I’ve been reviewing the book over the past while now and
its’ just a really great resource because you list, I think it’s like 250 yogas where
you’re actually drawing from the different texts and compiling all of them from a
bunch of texts you have. I think it’s 250, right?
ERNST WILHELM: I think it’s 240. It’s right around there, yeah. 240 some I think.
Right around there.
CHRIS BRENNAN: OK. Yeah. So it’s just a really great resource for everyone.
Anyone who wants to get into this topic and that’s really reasonably priced because
you can just buy the PDF right from your website. Then it’s downloadable right after
that.
ERNST WILHELM: Yeah. I do hope to get that into print eventually too.
And so yeah, it’s cheap, it’s easy and a good way to start with the yogas. And really
the first part of the book on the yogas of the foundation yogas are my favourite. I
also expanded on the Moon yogas… a lot of the Moon yogas which are important for
wealth in another course I did called Concrete Chart and Varga Analysis With
Jaimini and in that I took a lot of these principles. These yoga principles of the Moon
that bare on wealth. And how easy it is to obtain wealth. So if anyone wants to cover
those, a lot of those Moon yogas, better than I did in the book. Cause it was literally
like 15-20 years later, or experience later. I cover those in greater detail in that other
course. Which is a big predictive course.
CHRIS BRENNAN: OK. Brilliant. And what’s the URL for your…you have a couple of
major websites, right?
ERNST WILHELM: OK. Really the best place to go, the cheapest. By best I mean
best and cheapest…is astrology-videos.com
Because there I’ve got all the videos of the last six years of teaching plus I put all the
audios. All my old audios that I sell as a download I’ve put on the site that you can
listen to while you’re logged into your membership. And so you can pay a
membership fee of $30 a month and study everything as often as you want.
By comparison, if you want to download a course, the average price is probably $60
a course. But you get one course. But you get to keep it for life. But a lot of the
courses are better on video. And again on the video site you can listen to all my old
audio courses too while you’re logged in. You just can’t download them and save
them, you know. So unless you really want to own a copy of it that you have in 20
years, the video sites the place to go.
And a lot of the newer courses of the last six years are all on the video site in video.
I have rendered most of the videos into audios that you can buy and download on
the vedic-astrology.net site and so, you know, that’s all there. So it just depends. But
I recommend the video site. It’s a cheap way to learn, you know.
CHRIS BRENNAN: Yeah. That’s a brilliant model. And I haven’t seen many
astrologers doing that. To have subscription service essentially for studying the
videos and being able to watch the videos and basically learn from you.
ERNST WILHELM: Yes. And then they can join the studying group if they have
questions. So we have a lot of people asking questions and stuff throughout the day
on what they’re studying.
CHRIS BRENNAN: Excellent. And you’ve also been posting videos to YouTube for
quite a while, right?
ERNST WILHELM: You know, I haven’t hardly done any videos on YouTube in a
few years. I mean, just a handful. I try to do some videos here and there to let
people know what I’m doing or working on or what’s coming out.
But I’m not having a lot of time. I’ve just been really busy teaching side course cause
I’ve…the last three years I’ve been teaching not only Vedic astrology courses on
video. I’ve also been teaching card reading on video. And so I’ve created a whole
new site for that. Where I literally have a few hundred videos I’ve done in the last 2-3
years on that site.
So between teaching on it for videos for two sites it’s been hard finding any time for
YouTube really.
But I do hope to do more YouTube because I’m almost done with the card site. Card
reading is only going to be a few hundred videos. Not a few thousand as in
astrology. Astrology is so vast. Then I’ll get back into doing some fun stuff on
YouTube too.
CHRIS BRENNAN: Brilliant. Awesome. Well yeah I look forward to checking that out
and yeah people should definitely check out your websites which are vedic-
astrology.net and then the other one is astrology-videos.com right?
ERNST WILHELM: Yeah. And also I have another site…if people want to get a free
chart calculated. So a free Vedic chart with all the divisional charts the way I would
be calculating them. You can go to vaultoftheheavens.com
And on that site on the right hand side there’s a chart that says ‘Free Chart
Calculator’ in it. Click on that and you can get your chart, your Vedic chart. So you
can see what your Vedic chart looks like. With the house cusp system I use. I use
Campanus house system. But again I don’t use them for boundaries I just use them
as points. You get your basic Rasi chart [Natal chart]…you know, with the signs,
house sign system as you use I think in the Hellenistic.
CHRIS BRENNAN: Right.
ERNST WILHELM: Plus all the divisional charts and the timing system. And the
Moon position and its nakshatra. And things like that.
CHRIS BRENNAN: OK. Brilliant.
ERNST WILHELM: Basically you’ll get what you need to start doing Vedic astrology
for the first six months. So no one will have to buy a software until they know they
really want to pursue Vedic further.
CHRIS BRENNAN: And that’s at vaultoftheheavens.com
ERNST WILHELM: Yep.
CHRIS BRENNAN: OK. Great. Awesome. Well, thanks a lot for joining me today.
ERNST WILHELM: Oh my pleasure. Thank you for inviting me it was great.
CHRIS BRENNAN: Alright. And thanks everyone for listening and we’ll see you next
time.
KARKAS=========================================================================================
When learning from an ancient tradition, the re-reading of the ancient texts on Astrology always brings new questions, thoughts and a
never ceasing pondering. On this occasion a reading of Astrology’s Gospel, Bṛhat Parāśara Horā Śastra, and one of its popular English
translations by R. Santhanam, gives me pause and a desire to share some of the teachings of the tradition, and an impetus to question
how we read the texts of the Ancients.

On the picture featured at the top of this post, an image of the fold of page 222 has been captured by me to highlight both the broadness
of Parāśara and the lacking thereof in discussing its interpretation.

Herein, what is striking from an avid reader of the ancient texts, is Parāśara Muni’s ability to pan across a vast subject in solely 32
sounds, the length of a sentence or śloka in many ancient texts. E.g. one single śloka is dedicated to the topic of livestock. The same
length is dedicated each to predicting mutism (aphasia), maternal happiness and mother’s longevity.

At this stage, some find it easy to conclude that either there was a lack of exposure to cases of mutism, livestock ownership, etc. at the
time of Parāśara, or that the Sage simply didn’t dedicate enough time to the topics. However, neither conclusion would justify Parāśara’s
role as a Sage of Astrology! We can therefore offer a third conclusion, namely that Parāśara has compiled the entire individual subject
matter into the condensed sentences which the student needs to unravel, hopefully with a qualified teacher. A simple example is given
from the context of maternal happiness.

sukheśe kendrabhāvasthe tathā kendrasthito bhṛguḥ|

śaśije svoccharaśisthe mātuḥ pūrṇa sukhaṁ vadet||7||

Santhanam: If the Lord of the Fourth House and Venus are situated in a Kendra or angle and Mercury is in his exaltation sign there will
be full happiness of the mother.
Alternative Translation: The fourth lord placed in a kendra; Venus in a Kendra; Mercury in own or exaltation sign; these give the
complete happiness from mother.

The simple change of the translation to consider each of the three principles of a) fourth lord in a kendra, b) Venus in Kendra and c)
Mercury in own or exalted sign, as parallel principles changesthe approach of the Astrologer to the śloka and begins to derive meaning
from the śloka. Herein, the tradition teaches that these three principles are three aspects of the mother and divine mother, and we learn
about the kāraka or significator’s of the Divine mother.

4th lord is our own mother and if placed in:

i) kendra to lagna, she supports the native, despite disagreements which occur if in 7th house,
ii) she is also available because of being well placed from the 4th house.

Venus is the blessing of the divine mother, in the form of Durgā, and its placement decides the extent of affection in our life, not only
from spouse, seen from seventh house from Venus, but affection in all facets of life. Specifically, this affection comes from women
whom may not be one’s biological mother, and Venus in kendra ensures support from women, as in koṇa we need to pray for the same.
Venus’ beneficence indicates how the person has treated women in their past life, e.g. how much sorrow have women seen at one’s hand.
As Venus is the kāraka for the seventh house, it also signifies mothers-mother, i.e. maternal grandmother.

Mercury indicates Bhu-devī, or earth mother, and decides how many toys we are allowed to play with or have access to in this life. She
further decides our wealth and its placement shows to what extent we have manipulated the earth mother in this life. Specifically, how
one has manipulated all animate objects is decided from Mercury. Unlike Venus who governs the emotional impact one has
imparted on women, Mercury indicates the physical impact, and these are both examined in the Khaveḍāṁśa (D-40) chart to discern
the persons true character. Therein, Mercury in Kendra shows a very respectful person towards women, whereas in Dusthāṇa (6/8/12)
speaks against this.
As Mercury is kāraka for the tenth house which is fourth from the seventh house, it also signifies the maternal-great grandmother, i.e.
mothers-mothers-mother.

Virgo is also mentioned by Parāśara in the context of examining Mercury, but on its own also holds sway in ascertaining if the earth
mother is happy (benefics) or sad (malefics) with the native.

Kendra despite being governed by Śrī Viṣṇu (ref Parāśara) are also pivotal in examining the flow of the three Nāḍī, also named after the
divine mother. Gañgā is examined in the seventh house, Yamunā in the first house, and Sarasvatī in the tenth house. These celestial
rivers are the ideal or pivot that we seek to establish through Yoga in our body in the Iḍā, Piñgalā and Sarasvatī Nāḍi respectively.

Concluding, the single śloka of Parāśara needs to be expanded for real interpretation, and entire books could be printed on just one śloka
therein.

Marana Karaka Positions

A few days back I read a very interesting post in Vedic-astrology @
YahooGroups on planets in marana karaka sthan and its impact on the
native. I was amazed. The following are the key points I learnt about
marana karaka (MK) sthans:

1) MK of Saturn is 1st house, MK of Jupiter is 3rd house, MK of Venus is 6th

house, MK of Mars and Mercury is 7th, MK of moon is 8th and MK of Sun is
12th.

2) A planet in MK destroys all the significations of the houses it lords. For

example, if Sun is in MK and if Sun is lord of 2nd house, then it destroys
significations of 2th house and hence, the native can have trouble in
accumulating wealth, speech etc. Thus, whenever you spot a planet in MK in
a chart, look for naisargika karaka (natural significators) of those indications
and see if these naisargika karakas are well placed and whether they aspect
the house lorded by MK planet (or house of their karakatwa/signification in
other words). If so, then it means that naisargika karaka will take care of
that specific signification. For example, coming back to our previous
example. If you want to know whether native will not be able to earn
wealth at all given that 2nd lord Sun is in MK, you should look at the
naisargika karaka of wealth i.e. Jupiter. If Jupiter aspects 2nd house in the
chart, then atleast native can manage to earn money. Similarly for speech,
another signification of 2nd house, you should look at its naisargika karaka
i.e. Mercury. If Mercury is aspecting 2nd house, Sun's placement in MK will
not harm the native much.

3) If the naisargika karaka is afflicted then the karaka will do a mediocre job
in protecting the signification. If the house lorded by planet in MK does not
get aspect from various karakas corresponding to its significations, then the
native will suffer badly in those areas.

4) Pt. Sri Rath teaches that if lagna lord is in MK then it means that it will
not be able to protect the significations of lagna i.e. health and soul.
Hence, if lagna fails to get aspect from Sun and Moon, the naisargika
karakas for health and soul respectively, then the native will suffer on
account of bad health, both physically and mentally. Also, lagna indicates
the root / origin of the native i.e. the original place of the native. A lagna
lord in MK will not protect this signification and so usually natives with lagna
lord in MK tend to leave their native place and go abroad.

BSP 2: Jupiter's Karmic

Homes
Bhrigu Saral Paddhati - 2 Saptarishis Astrology
Translation: Elena Shmeleva
With obeisances to Lord Ganapati and Sage Bhrigu, we begin this tremendous task of revealing the secrets of
the founder of Vedic astrology Sage Bhrigu. The astrologers, having the highest level, tried to decipher his
system, which gives brilliant and very accurate predictions.
According to Indian mythology, Bhrigu, the son of the Creator of the Earth, was born from the mind of Lord
Brahma. The word "saral" in Hindi means "easy", "padhati" means "technique", so BSP can be translated as a
system of simple Bhrigu techniques.
Bhrighu Saral Paddathi (BSP) - 2:
"Wherever Jupiter is located, he creates ups and downs in the 10th and 6th house from himself, at least one of
the significators of this house."
• It becomes his karmic home and is called “House of Jupiter from a previous life.”
• It creates ups and downs on the values of this house, creating fluctuations in success and failure.
• It will destroy at least one value of this house.
In order to accurately understand the meaning of the foregoing, Hindus must remember this rule in Hindi "Guru
apne daht or Kartei karai ka ega ga ya sarvanash karega".
Map 1. Sri Rama

BSP-2: We note for astrologers beginning that Jupiter in yoga Gadzhakeshari is undoubtedly very strong, but
as the owner of the 6th house of disputes and the 9th house of the father (or separation from the father for
those who take the 10th house as father), Jupiter strikes the 10th house of himself and gives the separation of
Rama with his father and his death: King Dasharath died the next day, as Rama left his kingdom (10th house
from Jupiter).
10th from Jupiter: Jupiter in the 1st house in exaltation, the 10th from him is the 10th house of the card, and it
becomes the “Karmic house of Jupiter”. 10th house — kingdom and father; for the sake of the honor of his
father, Rama renounced his right to the throne, being fourteen years in exile in the forest.
The 10th house is the home of happiness in marriage, being the 4th of the 7th, and the marriage life was ruined
by Sri Rama himself, who left his wife before being tested by loyalty.
The 6th from Jupiter is
Jupiter in Lagna, the 6th from him falls to the house of enemies and disunity. Those who studied Ramayana
know that this was the main theme of Sri Rama’s life, and also made him known. In the 6th house of the
horoscope is Rahu, who represents the demon (raksha): Ravana, who kidnapped Rama's wife, was the king of
the demons (rakshas). According to our rule, the 6th house of Jupiter is destroyed, and Sri Rama eventually
destroyed King Ravana.
I would like to mention that Rama consists of “Ra” + “ama”, which means “light coming from inside”, therefore,
the repetition of the name of Sri Rama is enough to solve all the problems in life.
Map 2: The worm in the head (post on the forum, message number 16809)
This message was posted on astroforumah - a man with a worm in his head, who lived for 5 years.
“Pranam,
Sir, I stumbled upon a map, his name is Sumit, he was born on July 22, 1979 at 14:47, Ludhiana (Pb). Sir, he
has big financial problems. I used Dwisaptati myself Dashi in his map to find the beginning of his problems -
December 16, 1999. In 2000, he was found a worm in the brain. He took the medicine for 5 years. It all
happened because of the Chaturdashi birth or curse of the Guru. Can you please suggest a correction for this
guy. ”

BSP-2:
10th from Jupiter:
10th from Jupiter is the 6th house of illness, which makes it the “Karmic house of Jupiter”, and you can see that
the native has a disease caused by the defeat of the 10th house, which on the sign of Aries. In accordance with
the natural zodiac (Naysargika Kundali), Aries represents the brain, its host Mars aspects Lagna, which also
designates the brain.
6th from Jupiter: the
6th from Jupiter will be the 2nd house of wealth, family and prestige in the life of the native. The defeat of the
2nd house will be expressed in the fact that the native will face financial difficulties. You can see that in the
letter the gentleman says that the native has big financial problems.
Event Time: The letter does not mention the month, but only the year when the worm was discovered - 2000. It
can be noted that until June 2000, there was a transit of Jupiter along Aries, which is the “Karmic house of
Jupiter”, which triggers this event.
Map 3: Data from L. S.
A friend from Croatia writes: the addict, an aggressive person, got pregnant and gave birth to a daughter from
him. On the one hand, she seems so talented, but when it comes to everyday issues, the logic refuses her ...
While she was 11 or 12 years old, she reasoned like an adult, but at 16 she ran away from home, her parents
didn't know where whether she is alive or not - she broke off all ties with her family. ”

BSP-2:
10th from Jupiter: The
“Karmic House of Jupiter” will be the first home of the fullness of life itself. You can see from the letter that,
although she is talented, her life, in a sense, is over. In the 1st house is Saturn - the owner of the 3rd house of
talents, skills and musical instruments (hands are the 3rd house), and when the owner of the 5th house of love
Jupiter entered her life, it gave the effect of destroying the personality from his 10 th aspect.
6th from Jupiter:
It will be the 9th house of Bhagyi (prosperity) and marriage, here is AL (manifested “I”) and GL (name and
fame), and its mistress Luna is in the 2nd family house, it means that Jupiter destroys this family and the
possible fame, name and fame that a girl could have if she left for the USA and received a scholarship. Now
let's see what a friend wrote at the beginning: “the parents did not know for a whole year where she was,
whether she was alive or not — she broke off all ties with the family.”
Now we use the Bhrigu Chakra Paddati method (BCP), described in the journal number 3 of August 2008. A
friend wrote that she ran away from home at the age of 16, we clarified whether this happened before she
completed her 16th year. He said yes; now rotate the Bhrigu Chakra and find that at the 16th year of life Jupiter
was in the 4th house: notice how Bhrigu Saral Paddati (BSP-2) is related to the Bhrigu Chakra Paddati method
(BCP).
Event Time: In its 16th year - from October 2001 to October 2002 - the transit of Jupiter went through Gemini,
we use BCP-2, the 6th from it is the 1st house (“Karmic House of Jupiter”) and the fifth from the transit of
Jupiter is the 5th house of love: she fell in love, and her whole life went downhill.
Card 4: Sarah, Duchess of York.
She married Prince Andrew on July 23, 1986. Everyone hoped that marrying fiery Fergie would tame him, but
they both continued to lead a free life and broke up on March 19, 1992. The official announcement of the
divorce took place on April 16, 1996.
BSP-2:
10th from Jupiter:
“The karmic house of Jupiter” becomes the 11th house, the sign of Leo, where Venus (love) is located. The
sign of Leo is a natural signifier of love affairs and relationships (remember, the royal lion will always have
many wives or mistresses), there is Venus, the mistress of the 8th house (livelihood of marriage and
scandals). Thus, natal Jupiter deprives the marriage of support and creates scandals.
6th from Jupiter:
This will be the 7th house of marriage, the owner of the 7th is with Mercury, which gives promiscuity in
connections.
Event time: She divorced from Prince Andrew on March 19, 1992, on that day, transit Jupiter was in 13o Leo,
close to her natal Venus. The lion is the “Karmic home of Jupiter” and the fourth from transit Jupiter will be the
4th — the house of the House that was destroyed (Grihast Ashram Jo Tuta gaya).
Wisdom (Dhi): Do not interpret the rules literally, for example, that Jupiter in the 2nd house will always give a
divorce in marriage. We have maps where Jupiter stands in the 2nd house, and there was a lot of friction in
marriage, but at the same time the natives had a lot of conflict with others - remember that the 7th house is the
home of “other people” the home of the 2nd child, etc.
Map 5: Loni Anderson
She first married salesman Bruce Hasselberg, the marriage lasted three months, and in 1965, the daughter
Deirdre Hoffman was born in 1965. Her second marriage took place on January 28, 1974 with the actor Ross
Bickel, the marriage lasted seven years. After six years of marriage, she married Burt Reynolds on April 29,
1988, this was her third marriage. In January 1994, they began a difficult divorce with custody and cash
disputes. In his book, Anderson reveals the story of his personal life, including an affair with actor John Gavin
and a love affair with Gary Sandy, a partner around the site. In 2008, she married Bob Flick.
BSP-2:
10th from Jupiter:
Natal Jupiter stands in the 2nd house, the 11th house becomes the “Karmic house of Jupiter” - the love and
novels of the spouse. She had 4 marriages and 3 divorces; one can see that the owner of the 7th house,
Saturn, as well as Venus, Luna and Rahu is in the Karmic House of Jupiter. She had 4 marriages, and as we
know, in one of them her infidelity was her problem (11th house).
6th from Jupiter:
It falls on the 7th house of marriage, which was undoubtedly destroyed.
Event time: During her second divorce process, in 1981, transit Jupiter walked along the natal Jupiter, thereby
activating the “Karmic House of Jupiter”. In January 1994, during a big scandalous break with Bert Reynolds,
transit Jupiter was in the 3rd house of Libra and the 6th from him is the 8th house of scandals and marriage
support, and the 10th from him falls to the 12th Affairs: everything came out.
Map 6: Family at stake
The native is an experienced astrologer and businessman; his father’s business partner stole over $ 100 million
dollars from his family.
BSP-2:
10th from Jupiter:
“The karmic house of Jupiter” will be the 2nd house of family and wealth - if it was not destroyed in this
case! The mistress of the 2nd house the Moon is in the 10th house of the father’s wealth.
6th house from Jupiter:
Again the 10th house of the career, where Luna is the mistress of the 2nd house of family wealth, is together
with Mars, the owner of the 6th house of service. He works in the business of his father and every day he sees
this partner, a man who deceived his family and is a relative (6th house of relatives).
Map 7: Christopher Reeve
10th from Jupiter:
This is the 7th house of marriage, and here is Rahu. After the accident, his family happiness was
destroyed. Rahu is the owner of the 8th house of chronic diseases and accidents, has given negative results
under the influence of retro Jupiter and his karmic house in Capricorn (marriage house).
Now two words about the worst part of Indian astrology, which makes us remind about joint activation of events
(when one event happens together with another event, if the indicators of these events are connected in the
horoscope - editor's note): Rahu, the owner of the 8th house, who is in the 7th house, can give an
accident. Look, he got married in 1992, and the accident occurred on May 27, 1995 (one event was
astrologically activated by another and happened shortly after it - editor's note).
6th from Jupiter
This house falls on the 3rd house of movement, travel, sports (the karma of sports is the 6th house), it is also
an additional house of the 6th house of accidents. In the 3rd house there are three planets placed in the sign of
Virgo, the natural sign of accidents. He was injured during the competition. Please note that health karak and
host A6 Sun is in the 3rd house, which is damaged by Jupiter. At the time of the accident on May 27, 1995,
there was a Dasha Sun-Jupiter, which started just 5 days before: did not Jupiter have had a devastating effect
on the native at that moment!
Dedicated to the Sage Bhrigu.
Translation: Elena Shmeleva
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BSP -1: Saturn's Karmic

Homes
 Bhrigu Saral Paddhati - 2
(Saptarishis Astrology )
Translation: Elena Shmeleva
With obeisances to Lord Ganapati and Sage Bhrigu, we begin this huge task of uncovering the secrets of the
Founder of Vedic Astrology, Sage Bhrigu. The astrologers, having the highest level, tried to decipher his
system, which gives brilliant and very accurate predictions. Here, in a series of articles containing Bhrigu
methods, it will be shown that these methods sometimes convey the hidden meaning of other classics. How
have they not been seen so far? This should be a warning that despite the ease of prediction, literally use these
methods without Dhi(wisdom) and without combination with other methods is not recommended, although in
our experiments we use it verbatim to complicate the parameters of success. These techniques were tested on
a number of "blind" cards, which led to stunning predictions. Indian astrology is not intended for frivolous
people or housewives, so if you are still on the stage of your astrological journey, when you are studying your
own card or the cards of your loved ones, please ignore these methods. Only after intensive practice, at least
100 cards will be able to interpret events faster and easier compared to those astrologers who use traditional
methods and spend hours predicting events.
According to Indian mythology, Bhrigu, the son of the Creator of the Earth, was born from the mind of Lord
Brahma. The word “saral” in Hindi means “easy”, “padhati” means “technique”, so in essence BSP can be
translated as Brigu's Simple Technique System.
Need bsp
For several years, we sent many people of high status to the very popular Indian astrologers. Many of them
reported that the most important event in their lives was never predicted by these astrologers. We were upset
because we sent them with high recommendations, and these astrologers were our heroes, and these people
began to doubt them. Then the search began and, therefore, efforts to prepare the best astrologers who can
successfully predict the biggest events of life . These methods will be listed here.
Story
Long ago, I met with the teacher and tried to show him a map, to which he said: “there is no need to see the
whole map, just call me a single planet, and what house it is in, and do not even tell me a sign or Lagna, and I
will predict 7 events of your life. " If someone masters the methods presented here, besides having a basic
knowledge of astrology, we bet and say with confidence that you can make phenomenal predictions of the main
events in the map if you follow the rules of Jyotish Purusha (Dushi Jyotish).
BSP - 1
“Wherever Saturn is located, it will give rise and fall in the 4th house from its position, at least by one
value of this house”
 It will become his karmic home, called “The House of Saturn from a previous life.”
 He first creates a rise, and then a fall on any value of the house, and sometimes vice versa, first a fall,
then a rise, in any case he will create oscillations.
In order to accurately understand the meaning of the above, the Indians must remember it in Hindi
Map 1. Lord Rama
BSP-1:Without going into the details of the fact that the Sun is in Pisces and other details of the authenticity of
the card, let us consider, according to the schloka, this card, which from time immemorial has been the
generally accepted card of Rama, focusing only on where Saturn is. He is in the 4th house, the 4th from him is
the 7th house - the house of marriage, which becomes the “House of Saturn from a previous life”. His marriage
life was filled with ups and downs, he had to let his wife Sita Mata leave on the basis of suspicion. In the house
of relationships is Mars, the owner of 5 houses of children - he had to fight with his own children. Mars is also
the owner of 10 houses - the house of his father and karma, he entered the war with Ravana. 7 house - the
house of the post, he had to sit on the throne of his Kingdom, but received expulsion and long-term wanderings
in the forest. Astrology teaches us that the aspect of Jupiter will guard at home with its aspects. It is possible
that aspects of the exalted Jupiter and the Moon could not save this 7th house and Mars in it, due to the
influence of Saturn in the 4th house from itself. Saturn realizes itself in the 4th house from itself and creates
ups and downs in these areas of life.
Map 2. Indira Gandhi
BSP-1:
Natal Saturn in the 1st house, the 4th from him (Saturn's karmic house) in the 4th house - the house of the
mother, the throne, the home life. She lost her mother at a young age, she lost her status in a shameful way,
her family life was destroyed, her husband retired and died early, her daughter-in-law is a big enemy. The
owner of her 4th house is Venus, Karaka of women is in 6th house (the house of enemies) with Rahu (secret
enemies), you can imagine these backstabs she faced in her life and her protest against what gave her the
name "Iron Lady" of India.
Map 3. Jawaharlal Nehru
BSP-1: As you will see in this map the most important thing in the life of this person: “his offspring will be
destroyed” ( Iski Aane Wali peedeya barbadh hojayegi ). Now we look at the 4th from the natal Saturn - “The
Karmic House of Saturn”, which is the home of love affairs and children. We all know what 5th house affairs are
meant for this card.
Now look at House 5, like the house of children, to see his daughter's life - she was full of tests until the very
end - Beant Singh shot her three times using his revolver, aa Satvant Singh fired twenty-two shots from a
machine gun.
Most importantly, in the karmic house of Saturn is the Sun, which is the natural significator of the "pedigree"
and here the owner of 2 houses is the family house, we all know the curse of his life and the end of his whole
family. Saturn's Karmic House does all this for one person reading this article.
Map 4: The worm in the brain - message on the forum
This was posted on astroforuma - a man with a worm in his brain for 5 years: "Sir, I stumbled upon a map, his
name is Sumit, his birth data: 07/22/1979 14:47, Ludiana. Sir, he has big financial problems now. I apply
dhisaptati dashi myself to his map to find the reason, it started from 16-12-1999. In 2000, he was found a worm
in the brain. He took the medicine for 5 years. It is all because of the Chaturdashi-birth or the curse of the
Guru. Tell me, please, any means for this guy. ”
BSP-1: Saturn in the 10th house with Rahu (the correction tool will not be found) and the 4th from him is 1
house - the head, the brain, and it becomes the “Karmic house of Saturn”. Rahu - the snake; the worm also
moves like a snake, Saturn spoils the 4th house from it - 1 house, aspects of Mars also influence it, as well as
on 10.
Now you need to ask a question when this problem appeared? This is difficult, given our little experience in
determining the time of occurrence for this BSP method. We found that during the time when the transit of
Saturn was contemplating the Saturn's Karmic House, the event turned on, and this can happen many times
during the 30-year period of the orbit of Saturn.
The letter mentions that in 2000 the native discovered a worm in his brain. If we assume that this was after May
2000, then the transit of Saturn via Taurus activated 1 house - “Karmic House of Saturn” and Mars at 7.
Map 5: Friend from Croatia
A friend from Croatia writes: “She is very talented in music, and when she played the cello, teachers from
Russia, the USA were ready to pay her a stipend, but no, she found some kind of addict, an aggressive person,
got pregnant and
gave birth to a daughter. On the one hand, she is very talented, but in matters of logic she is stupid ... Until she
was 11-12 years old, she was serious and intelligent as an adult, until puberty began. She ran away from home
when she was 16, her parents did not know for a year where she was, whether she was alive or not - she broke
off all ties with her family. ”
BSP-1: Saturn is in the 1st house and the 4th from it is the Karmic House of Saturn. 4th house is a home,
family and happiness, here you can see that the Karaks of this house are destroyed by a large number of ups
and downs in this area of her life.
Event time: The message says that when she was 16 years old (2002) she ran away from home, at this time
transit Saturn was in 7th house and was aspecting 4th house, which is our “Karmic house of Saturn” and the
event worked.
Map 6: Sarah, Duchess of York
He married Prince Andrew on July 23, 1986. Everyone hoped that the marriage with the fiery Fergie would be
able to tame him, but they continued to lead a free life and broke up on March 19, 1992. The official divorce
took place on April 16, 1996.
BSP-1: Saturn in the 3rd house destroys the 6th house, which is 4th from Saturn and becomes the “Karmic
house of Saturn”. The moon, the mistress of the 10th house (happiness in marriage) is in the 6th house - the
house of divorces and separation - this we must not forget.
Event time: Now we look, the marriage ended on March 19, 1992, when the transit of Saturn on Capricorn was
aspecting a karmic house, in its case the 6th and happiness of marriage was the Moon, as well as the 4th
house from Saturn's transit, that is, the 7th house marriage, thereby bringing rise and then fall in her marriage.
Map 7. Loni Anderson
She soon married a salesman Bruce Hesselberg, divorced after three months and gave birth to a daughter,
Deirdre Hoffman. In 1965, she married actor Ross Bickell - 1/28/1974; the marriage lasted seven years. After
six years of marriage, she married Bert Reynolds on 4/29/1988, this was her 3rd marriage. In January 1994,
they experienced a difficult divorce with custody and money fights. Reynolds, in turn, flaunted her extramarital
affair and accused her of being a bad mother. In his book, Anderson does not hide his love story, including an
affair with actor John Gavin and a novel that has become sexually dependent on her partner in the site, Gary
Sandy. In 2008, she married Bob Flick.
BSP-1: 4 house from Saturn, which is the “Karmic house of Saturn” - 2 house - family life, and Jupiter is
located there, owner 5 - houses of love and owner 8 - houses of scandals and support for marriage. So, it was
waiting for ups and downs in this area of life. She had 4 marriages and 3 divorces; one can see that the
Saturn's Karmic House is in the sign of the Virgin, the natural house of divorces.
Event Time: The second marriage divorce took place in 1981, Saturn’s transit was in Virgo, in its karmic home,
during a break with Burt Reynolds, 1994, Saturn’s transit was in Aquarius, in its 7th marriage house, cast a
75% aspect on natal Saturn and the complete Nadi aspect to the 2nd house of the Saturn's Karmic House (for
studying Nadi aspects, readers can refer to the books of Sri S. Patel on Nadi and Navamshe, Sagar
publications).
Map 8. Mafia Boss, Luis Ferrante
Mr. Patei wrote on the forum “I have partial information about a man who was once a famous mafia belonging
to the infamous network of the Gambino criminal family. According to sources collected on him, it was in the
mid-90s, when the FBI arrested him, and he was sentenced to 10 years in prison. His time of birth is confirmed
by a birth certificate, he also confirmed in our personal email correspondence with him.
BSP-1: Natal Saturn is at 7, respectively, the “Karmic house of Shani” becomes 10 - the house of the karma
itself or profession, it is here that you can see the ups and downs in these areas of his life.
Map 9.

A native dedicated astrologer and businessman, his father’s partner sued him for $ 100 million of their fortune.
BSP-1: Natal Saturn in the 11th and, accordingly, the “Karmic House of Saturn” will be the 2nd house, which is
the 4th from it. 2 house - the house of family and wealth, and here the wealth of the family is at stake. He was
recommended to take a dry coconut, cut off its upper part, mix dry wheat flour with sugar, fill this dry coconut
with it, then close it. West of his house, where he meets a tree you need to bury a coconut, covering it with a
small layer of earth. This remedy is Satan's upaya, and our mentor received this remedy from a very old Pandit,
whose predictions were the most accurate, this is a very pious person. This flour and sugar will be eaten by
black ants who represent Saturn in Indian astrology. If you can’t do the above ritual, then you should simply
feed it with ants of sugar.
It remains to say that has not yet been mentioned by others. Astrologers often say that Saturn provides karma,
but no one says what kind of karma. Exploring the above maps, you can easily tell why Saturn causes
problems, is any bad event a result of bad karma of past life or this current birth event - it all depends on the
location of Saturn and the Karmic House of Saturn. We cannot explain the subtleties of everything in this
article, as this may harm many people, but we can tell you how you and your customers can behave better.
Guide: Where you see the location of Saturn in the map - in this house and in the “Karmic House of Saturn”,
you should advise clients not to create any new bad karma for these 2nd houses, especially if Saturn is in
transit time to break, to destroy. For past karma, one can resort to correction measures, but in the case of
Saturn, mantras work less efficiently, compared to actual actions of helping others and maintaining a pure
heart. Unfortunately, astrologers who trade mantras at their consultations do not tell this to novice astrologers
and their clients.
Translation: Elena Shmeleva
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