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MT Oh so you just got it because

LT dont think its will take too long

MT Do you need help

LT Uh

MT OK so its just on your list in order to be on list

TH This is of even if he.. .this one had already been taken care of so dont think
part

theres that much

Ml OK so were not going to run across any of these OK so we should expect to see

this clean in day

all right Dan Benetts has two directories...is there Dan Benett in this room

TH guess need to go talk to him too

MT No no no no well send somebody else to trot Urn who else are the runners

here Is Eric Dean here..

All right when are we going to have that closed

Mt Who knows exactly what theyre doing to get this done in the next 24 hours

Ido

MT All right then you need to close the bug

All right Jar now the real Jar will

you please stand up

Will you please give me good description Go-go

Mt The next one is too much Java laughter

youre looking at the symantec

MT Im looking at 105664 second one from the top third party removing Java

Okay that one what weve done now is gotten the full code working on UNIX

without Java and thats what were planning on checking in probably

tomorrow

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JR to be really cautious and not to-to break but basically were

Theyre trying trying

with or without Java and were building on UNIX and were checking it
building

out on the Mac and making sure everything is as clean as possible

MT and then the other platform would be the windows platform

now Raman he could use

JR Right we also have right
is working on that actually

some help maybe from were thinking Rick or Lloyd or uh to steal some

L1
time to make the and that as clean
studio sure meg flags get

\yi
MT Uh if you could possibly use help there are people who could help you we just 3\

need to do that

OK you need the same kind of

coverage on MAC

JR On Mac we have Gordon going so were in pretty good shape on that

Uh when you guys say UNIX builds do you mean Linux

JR uh were building on Solaris and dont know if well be testing on Linux

actually

yet but the intent is to drop in UNIX build that gets us Linux build

MT This particular change should be fairly OSE independent its removing an existing

code not writing new code thats got Linux problems

Youve got other impact on the Mac project still

pending right Scott so can you tell

Gordon when you go back to Java land to like..

MT Do the mind meld thing with Scott laughter

MI All right and then Jim Roskind you also have the IFC stuff

JR Were not shipping IEC The intent is to scrub out all Java and that includes IFC

unless we have and now Javas not shipping IFC is not shipping Sun Javas

not shipping all that stuff directly

JR what we have to do is change the title from sanitizing to .. distribution...

Right okay So well-well put comment in the bug uh well put was sanitizing

Removing was sanitizing Okay -i

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of Java attached which its not even for

MI Okay sure .the sanitization is

to look like may not land

microsecond it slows down because its starting
it

cut of the the critical mass path and we it

JR Were trying to stay
the hell critical path

feeling very close

.laughter

will
MT ..on the microsecond level when there is something where you need help you

and me and well all right whose gonna make sure that
come find get you help.

Rick Potts or somebody goes and helps those people

JR Ill give Rick call

windows
MT OK Jeff Weinstein we need to find non-shippable parts

SW couldnt hold of Jevron this morning Im responsible for him sent him an
get

e-mail called him getting ready to use smoke signals.

what does mean

MT The bug is fairly nonspecific it was filed by you Tara
this

of the work in the product

TH Urn this has to do with stripping down out all art

did you talk to Jevron

work Hes also in charge of the XP

got most of
the
hes volunteered...Hes aft

of this because he cant close the Mac part

of this yet..
portion

what sounds like

MT Do understand that there are unfiled bugs associated with this is it

want the list to reflect the reality of where we are

youre saying log

Bingo

MT Thank you

TH You got all the tough ones..

MT Okay uh Jeff Weinstein did not check in this weekend true or false

hasnt
DM He did not check in this weekend He did not answer his mail and he

answered his phone yet

either So youve got me Did he break his leg skiing or

something

hope hes not in jail or something

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of the colonists sonewhere...laughteO...

His locator shows hes with the rest

about
about one now or to stress
OK Im trying this
MT to decide whether to stress

Jeff
later Lets stress about this one later Were skipping-were skipping
this one

not in this room because he has previous engagement

for now Lloyd Tabb is

Hell come in to this room later to talk to you

status
can give you Lloyds

MT Okay go...he has five bugs

for uh licensing cause weve got

uh 106258 thats basically waiting
Right okay

uh Uh 107352 thats just Doe hes got trying to

everything
lined
up on that

about
but 108722- thats the big one we need to talk
weasel out of it right now ..

because he told me..

MT Lets not talk about it in this room

cause
All uh 108785 uh he says
its done Hes gonna close
that today
right

hes concerned hes to decide and said okay you

he As far as got
says

close and Tara and will

it

MT well talk about it at 330 before we close that

Right Bingo

the free source and let

Give me the one that is the actual one that-that is going up on

me work on that. laughter

who knows what their

All right can we get platform sheet up on each one

are laughter
components

with Jeff right Missing in

Urn Ive been trying to get hold of Lou same thing

Action called..

Mt All right but then this bug

TH Reassign it to me

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Its his bug If

guy who
has to that directory
MT Well no no no Brendans the sign

from Tara its different deal Urn where were we Im

hes waiting for input

lost

Oh boy uh these are like

Uh URLs in userssec.net string
okay were leaving

me thats good thing

uh turd bugs that people are reassigning

Whats the status of security

TH Dont ask

out How can we do that work if we

Well three things ..do we have to take it

dont know

IvlT string

or whether Jeffs team is

know whether we have to do it in client
you want to

in
gonna do it security

331or need to take it out

No want to know if that call is going to exist in if

list
Ml Well we need Jeff We need Jeff we need Jeff Its on-its on my

Thanks

Ml Declan has been sick Paul Chan

Hes out today

Ml Okay you roll Mr Pinkerton

Well be done today

MT All right so anyway theres the three bugs Um okay now lets rewind Lets back

truck Jim Abreham is not being respon

the up

bug and you can move on okay Oh

bug comment That closes the
clue in the

youre here

these closed by the end of the

Im here yeah have question Should try to get

week..

Ml Uh.

should we should
/0

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/0
source out of the building..
MT If you were lower priority
than getting the

Right so then we ship those.

holes in peoples
MT But its-its perfectly acceptable to ask There are-there are

write and
when be doing but they could you paragraph
brains they cant stuff

if theyre not
move on its not impossible On Friday your bugs are vanishing

closed

No later

MT Yeah

okay

MT Or at some point

Holes in peoples brains

Its
You know like cant work on this anymore theres whole in
my brain
tvn

empty
and ask them to me written input
Okay Im going to send mail to people today give

for the cure- for the people

the end of the week cause its too late talking except
by

Im already working with

MT Okay thats good Uh

No this is just waiting for permission..

about that
Uh lets just see what the computer says

The question asked. laughter

whos with John

MT Oh okay so.. but thats not Remirell so in touch

Im in touch with Michael Wine

on dont we say third party code Urn

So the question in general is that all these

but we dont
yes were gonna do if get
we get the warm cozies and they say it

license and waiver were exposing all

anything signed until legal gets us

things we know that..

off on the Beta licenses

What-what about uh doing the beta license getting sign

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hazards...well its not binding

...legal

MT For 331...for 313 thats okay because were leasing it under NDA For 3-31

weve got to get that up and running

whole one of these third parties

No ub agree but thats
the issue is that if a- if

decides to be a- uh an asshole and say well no said so but Im gonna hold you

up Were kind of were over barrel We know that

guys

Mt Yeah Yes we are

Uh SCC Moz Medium

Uh this bug Ill need more information to take care of it Fm gonna talk
is
my ..

to Steve Hart when he gets

in

Uh .He went on vacation until Wednesday Hell be back on Thursday

Mt What Can we hand this bug to someone else

think its just getting his

dont really know what needs to be done with it

changes to compile on the Mac

Assign it to me Reassign it over to me

MT All right thank you

...this has been sanitized theres some old bookmark code that we want to get out

and its out on Mac.

Whats with the old bookmark code

wrong

MT You know what this means Later

did you saw you saw the owl again didnt notice theyre using knives
What
oh darn Id rather sit here and watch the Mac build
laughter really

laughter...No more basketball This was clever way to keep them off the court

You know..

But no extreme sports this week right

MT Yeah think saw Tara with lead pipe whacng his knees
laughte

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Do we have any problem compiling..

MT No its just code that we are embarrassed to ship Lets just ship embarrassing

code

MT Okay switch to power plant out of the box bug

Next two have to switch over couple scripts and put it in our public

development environment so wed all

get
it Uh and then that will marked fixed

Thatll be done today

Thats gonna be today

No That will be in the same place that our development environment is

How do we get that to the net

Thats darn good question

TH Total distribution is very interesting question right now

Michael you did not query on the dial-up products so bugs assigned to me didnt

show up

MT Okay uh there was an error in

my ways and Ill fix that

Is there
any reason that someone wants the lib rage Speak now or for 31 hold

your peace Okay so-so it doesnt come back in there just leave it-leave it out

TH Where did they hear that

Whats the side-effect of that

JR Uh we .. in the meeting someone told him that Jib

rage oh no we cant we need

to- we need to register guess this registry access so uh can ask them..

break.

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MT This is this query takes longer because were eliminating one of the major lets -j

look at less than 10000/shall we deal

You could have just added dialog instead of subtracting communicator

MI You rule the universe laughter

The good thing is maybe there may be..

Well do you want me to come up and talk to here and see Because think its all 73
of the
platforms right .So have you checked any uh any changes yet to taking any

strings out especially the XP part Can. if you...youll be checking it

tonight

can.. are at home so.. Garret wants to know if he can help you right so can
you

Garret give you call at home and find out what we can do uh do to get that up

faster Is that ph-uh-the Netscape phone or do need some double secret code

Okay All right Ill have Garret call

you after this meeting After we get out of the

pit and synchronize thats not gonna screw you up or anything right Okay

bingo And Ill file two bugs might have Garret for the next couple days be-be

owner of those just because not going to be the office If he can be in the
youre in

meeting room Uh dont go crazy um. Your boss would that- would that be

okay Ill go over and slap Rick and tell him This mig14be hair more important

this week All right all right all right all right Okay will go up and...Oh thats

okay slapped Jim the other day Uh okay Ill

go upstairs and talk to Schwan

and get data to you and Garret via E-mail okay All right have fun in your

remaining time off before you come back to the pit of doom All right Ill see you

on Wednesday Bye bye

MT Three platforms to land on Everybody else said Ill be done by this afternoon or

tomorrow morning defmitely

Except for those of us waiting for security

Ml Except for that will order mixing expect this week to be order magnitude ten

bugs right and if all were doing is waiting for security would be completely

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were on track The order is were magnitude hundred

would feel like completely

So thats the we have then-then were

bugs not magnitude ten if only problem

essentially done

Once we get through number of bugs that are show stoppers are..

MT Okay all right well do that

TH PlP2s

Tvfl Were-were attempting to do that now We didnt find any other new ones did

we This is just way too slow Lets do the fast version

have question Dan has the liv jar bug but as far as know liv jar is only used

for Java DO you..

Edits Edits is the soft update man.. and so Ijust

left mail but voice mail but

suspect that we dont need it we have it

stumped out..

MT No we dont care about soft update for 3-3 1..

JR Theres no job the claim was there was third Raman was not able to find
party

the third party in the tree by graph So were psyched for now our plan is going

for check in in fact Im trying to get the

heck away from criminal path and check it

in and let people yell..

MT Hold on am screwing this up

No we have the bugs and we have the liv jars

Oh...am competing with reg and liv jar think am Im sony that was just

test laughter

TH Liv Jar

Im sorry the jury will please disregard the comments

It might have been wrong but it sounded really good Like Im thinking maybe

because of we he said maybe well just pretend it wasnt wrong and maybe we

dont need liv jar mean we dont need liv

jar right7

What is liv jar doing for us right now

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Doesnt it only do the packing and the unpacking of the files

If were through with Java we dont need liv jar

Thats exactly what my point is

The question is do we need stumps because..

Somebody else call it right so could somebody tell me whether we need stubs for

the damn thing

nominate you

Hes saying that Java script..

Java scrip uses jar you can build jars now in the clients they just read Java script

and images dont know whether we need that capacity in 331 but it is used

believe in areas other than Java

OK so do we have any issues that include Java other than the Sun issue right

cause we own the code Right so we should probably include it mean if its not

lot of effort its part of the normal distribution..

Its name affiliation with me is strictly coincidental laughter

Oh sure

So therefore it is still an issue for Dan to Sanitize it

Yes continue what youre doing

That was lot of work to find that out

And the important thing is it took lot of work for us to do that

And not just lot of us lot of really smart us

Yeah How can we get this band width thing solved

break

Were still at 103

MT Yeah order of magnitude 70 theres about 30 of these P3s

TH OK

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MT Well little over 30..

POs Jeffs
OK what are the just

P3 then an emergency right now

MT If its aPi or P2...if it snot its

of
we went to the trouble categorizing
What Im asking is general question if

have P0 P1 and P2 reflects real

P3s and we think that what we as
something as

priorities

above P3 and below P3

MT Oh no theres just two universes

then
and what was the reasoning we used to set the priorities
laughter

later
become meaningful
MT To leave room for that for those to

smart people in
summarize where we that we can get the
MT All right lets just
are so

for the people who

real work All right everybody except
this room back to the

who are landing the Java car pool from

Jeff Weinstein and the people
are waiting on

the netherworid believe that they will be done by tomorrow morning..

by today or tomorrow
heard manyjeopk Say

tomorrow end of day

TH So call it
probably

here...tomoffow if
you have bug open
So if theres 130 meeting probably

have with that

be here Does problem
you have to anyone

Will security be here

after leaving this room

MT Well were going to beast up on security immediately

Damn have to miss that laughter

come me will be in this room OK

MT If theres any problem you need to get

theres etc etc etc

dont wait tomorrow to tell me that problem
dont stop
til

theres no the only thing more important than

This is of the National Emergency

other
this more important than any
more important than 4.5
is
this is 4.05 This is

home and
is doing Its not more important than going
activity that this company

be separate meeting
kissing your wife at 530 but that will completely

It ranks up pretty well with breathing is what youre saying

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MT Yeah as long as youre getting paid once youre no longer getting paid by

to be here then it ceases to be important

Netscape

Right

ML All right thanks for coming

break

TH Were doomed

reviewing bug list

should be here on platform by

What we need is list of all the things that in

platform basis

TH Thats what thought

Do you know
Ramiras status

Yeah

OK you got the head of the class and talk to Michael

useful to put
TH So smart update we dont know why that is thinks it even remotely

up because its Java thing..

Mt No were still playing flake hunter..

needed to look at 109132 can you bring that one up in another window

Mt It is preemptively multi tasking system Whats the bug number.

Dee dee and think related to Cores bug that hes owning
dee its 109132 is

on Micro Line..

MT Yeah we reassigned this to Core

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OK so reassign this or you

MT Its already done

Well then we can go home

OK whats the ETA on Ramero because have to talk to him abut that other

stuff ..when he comes in..

How do you forward your number

MT have no idea

Its phone who knows how to use phone

You go there and you press the forward button and you punch in the new number

and you probably press the forward button again

will do that for

you Michael

Ml Weinstein Weinsteins bugs are when check in will close them all

We need something better than that mean hes got the most bugs of anybody on

the list and..

dont see any e-mail notification in 3-D anywhere you know like in Ransom

where it
goes makes noises

saw Contact weekend and you know when theyre

finally this
thought getting

from supposedly
message and theyre
the date the Alien trying to get the image data

and find the interlace and all that other stuff that did not suck it was not too bad

that sucked less of any Hollywood movie Ive seen in long time as far as the

technical stuff

How come youre not video conferencing with Weinstein right now laughter

Ml am laughter

telepathic

MT Yes thats this wire right here

All we leaving all the URLs in the point in Netscape

Uh thats good question Uh pink asked that one..

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MT Tell him to pause Im looking at that one right now Im trying to decide

What other snap judgments bit you in the ass like that one last week

Is related links in the source right now or is it just in the 4.05 thing

Aurora is in the source now but related links is not is the

Is not in the

At issue is that weve got code in there that deals with that server right ooo Ill

have Gooha about that me

to talk to
Somebody file bug and assign it to

MT Whats the bug

It is do we have any like uh legal issues with related with...whats the

company..

MT the data lives on our server..

So Terrys universe is dont ship mail and news today and ship useful mail and

news later and get permission to do that

For now it looks just as good there as it does here laughs

So Terry dont Ijust dont think politically thats going to be possible

Why

MT Because the body to do that work doesnt exist to do the two weeks worth of

work doesnt exist The body to do one days worth of work could easily exist

but the body to do two weeks worth of work doesnt exist

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