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#21463 - 10/12/08 10:19 PM Flange Rating Effect During 1 registered (IMH), 12
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I have one stainless steel vessel with 14.5 bar internal June
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06/08/08 design pressure, 50 degree Celcius, use SA 182 Gr. Su M Tu W Th F Sa
Posts: 31 F316L 150# Rating(Material Group 2.3) According to 1 2
Loc: Malaysia code UG-99b[34], hydrotest pressure =1.3 x design 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
pressure =18.85bar but as per table 2-2.3 ASME
10 11 12 13 14 15 16
B16.5-2003, the max pressure of these flange is
15.3bar. That will effect on Flange rating or not? 17 18 19 20 21 22 23
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#21499 - 10/13/08 03:36 PM Re: Flange Rating Effect During

Hydrostatic [Re: faizol]

Mandeep Faizol,
Singh
The hydrotest pressure is typically 1.3 * design
Member pressure (* Sa / S). The ASME SEC. VIII Div. 1 code
indicates that if there are visible visual deformation
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12/15/99 during the hydrotest then the inspector has right to
Posts: 497 reject the vessel.
Loc:
Houston, Tx, The Div. 1 code does not state that stress calculations
USA
need to be performed to check the stress at the
hydrotest condition. It also does not provide any
explicit allowables for the hydrotest case. But, some
users like to perform the stress check at hydrotest. In
those cases, limit prescribed in Div. 2 (90 % of Yield)
is typically used. (PV Elite also has the option of
minimum of 1.5*S and 90 % Yield)

The idea is that you design an equipment and you

have a built-in factor of safety. When you hydrotest it
 at the pressure of 1.3 times that design pressure you
are still ok. You may have to re-tighten some bolts if
there is small flange leakage. It is short-term over-
stressing of the vessel.

It will be conservative to compare the flange design

pressure ratings to the hydrotest pressure.

What is pressure rating at ambient?

There is a lot of discussion in the industry, as can be

seen from this tread on eng-tips forum,

http://www.eng-tips.com/viewthread.cfm?
qid=223365&page=2
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#21512 - 10/13/08 10:58 PM Re: Flange Rating Effect During

Hydrostatic [Re: faizol]

Farid Dear Faizol,

Masood
Further I would like to add to this is that the same
Member standard ASME B16.5 allows us to hydrotest the
flanges at a pressure not to exceed 1.5 times the 100
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01/23/08 F rating rounded off to the next higher 25 psi. this has
Posts: 64 been mentioned in the standard ASME B16.5 section
Loc: Pakistan 2.5. I have read it from 2001 edition.
Lahore
This means that even if you go for a hydrotest of 1.3
times the design pressure as per ASME SEC VIII DIV
1, the hydrotest pressure will not exceed as per ASME
B16.5 which is high.

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#21559 - 10/14/08 07:50 PM Re: Flange Rating Effect During

Hydrostatic [Re: Mandeep Singh]

faizol Dear Mandeep Singh,

Member
Sir,Thank for your explaination. From table 2-2.3
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06/08/08 ASME B16.5-2003, pressure rating at ambient
Posts: 31 temperature(22-28 degreeC)is 15.9 bar.
Loc: Malaysia
Thank you.
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#21560 - 10/14/08 08:23 PM Re: Flange Rating Effect During

Hydrostatic [Re: Farid Masood]

faizol Dear Farid Masood,

Member
Sir, just to confirm that from table 2.2.3 in ASME
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06/08/08 B16.5-2003, flange rating at 100ºF(38ºC)= 15.9bar,
Posts: 31 and per standard hydrotest = 1.5 x (15.9+1)bar =
Loc: Malaysia 25.35 bar, so this flange still ok at this condition
because hydrotest as per UG-99b[34] only 1.3 x
design pressure x stress ratio= 18.85 bar.

I'm correct sir?

Thank you.
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#21726 - 10/22/08 01:42 AM Re: Flange Rating Effect During

Hydrostatic [Re: faizol]

Farid Dear Faizol,

Masood
Sorry for the late reply. I used to log in weeks after.
Member You r right. it is safe to do the hydrotest as per ASME.
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Loc: Pakistan Farid Masood
Lahore
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