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Shear wall design for tall building

Bashar HamamStructural Design Engineer at Ae-7 Consultant Company (Team Leader/ Revit Modullar)
at AE7
Greetings all;

I wish that you are fine.

For a tower extended 30 stories. I have 8 planted walls that carry around 25-Stories
rested on a transfer slab thickness of 1.5m. When I had run this on Etabs model I
found a problem that reinforcement ratios for the planted wall on the transfer very
highly (between 5% to 6%). I had checked the moment on the wall section, I found
that that designed m3u is very high, meanwhile the designed moment for the direct
upper story reduced to the logical values. For example, a planted wall has
reinforcement ratio od 5.2% (the designed m3u is 16000 KN.m), meanwhile the
reinforcement ratio for the direct upper story had reduced to 1.39% (the designed
m3u is 2020 KN.m). which is not logical since.

Could you explain the reason of theses results, as I had tried to find a solution with
no success.

If you need further information regarding this, I can send you some sketches to
your personal E-mail, just send me your mail address to contact you.

A waiting for your kind response, as it is important to find a solution soonest.

Best Regards,
Bashar Hamam.
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Seifeldin Marzouk
Chief Structural engineer at Arch Centre Consulting Engineers

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 I think that the problem is due to transfer design (slab thickness and deflection) try to increase the thickness of
transfer slab it will decrease the deformation and moment.
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Seifeldin Marzouk
Chief Structural engineer at Arch Centre Consulting Engineers

It is a common problem at the first floor above transfer slab or beam.

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Seifeldin Marzouk
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Let me ask you also about the modifiers of the wall did you consider it cracked (0.35) or not cracked (0.70) ?
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Bashar Hamam
Structural Design Engineer at Ae-7 Consultant Company (Team Leader/ Revit Modullar) at AE7

Thanks Mr. Marzouq;

I had believed the same, the deflection of the transfer slab may increase the moment for these walls, but not to
the excessive limits. The moment had increased to 4 times??!!

The time period is around 5.2 second, which is very high comparing to the number of stories. I think that could
be the reason for the illogical moments. Am I right??

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Bashar Hamam
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Bashar Hamam
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I had considered a 0.7 modifier for walls. complying with ACI Codes.

Best Regards,
Bashar Hamam
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You must check whether the wall cracked or not by check s22 if bigger than modulus of rapture of concrete or
calculate effective moment of inertia from code and calculate the actual modifier ..
I think that the walls will be cracked in your case and using 0.35 modifier will decrease the moments and
reinforcement.
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You can study more about this at these links but you must be patient :
http://www.arab-eng.org/vb/t446087.htmlhttp://www.arab-eng.org/vb/t454326-12.html
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 Thanks for your reply Mr. Marzouq.

I will read the sent link and revert you for inquiries.

Best Regards,
Bashar Hamam
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Best regards
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Design Director at Meinhardt (VIC)

I agree that the issue is the wall base rotation caused by the transfer floor deflections.
I also agree that reducing the wall M11 stiffness is the way to go to release these moments.
Do not increase the slab depth!

First, I would go 0.3 or even lower say 0.1 with the wall stiffness modifiers?. As long as the wall has the
capacity to take the axial load with 0 bending - you could in fact ignore the bending - wall hinged at base is a
valid model - that is why reducing M11 stiffness to 0.10 is OK.

Secondly what is your stiffness factor on the transfer slab - I would go 0.6-0.7 as for beams, not 0.3 as for slabs.
The depth makes it beam not slab.
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Do you mean to reduce M11 to 0.10 for the wall at all floors or only for the floor above transfer slab to act as
hinged ?
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Bashar Hamam
Structural Design Engineer at Ae-7 Consultant Company (Team Leader/ Revit Modullar) at AE7

Thanks Mr. Peter;

Definitely I agree that the transfer floor deflection causes these high moments. But regarding the stiffness
modifiers reduction to 0.1. What am I consider is 0.7 for f11, f22, f12, m11, m22 & m12 complying with ACI
provisions. Hence, to reduce the m11 to 0.1?? Is this referenced by codes?? If yes, could you justify and provide
it to me.

And for the transfer slab, the considered stiffness modifiers is 1 for all. this is due to the importance for that
element and the section must be capable to handle the imposed stresses.

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Bashar Hamam
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Bashar
I think that this discussion will help
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