Subrogation-Case-Killer-11-14-2017

Good afternoon folks. Is TJ here? We're going to start with are you are a law firm, a private members call?
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to find very exciting because what they're doing and a Sunday.

Well, let's go ahead and get the call started. We started the call with the prayer in the father, son and Holy
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Um, because, uh, this, this, this piece has just been updated and uploaded into the back-office. It's actually a
revision to something that was there before, uh, but we found some nice little tweaks we've added to it and it's
so simple. Um, you're not gonna believe it. Now, let's just say this, that nothing we say is meant to be a silver
bullet, but this is the closest thing we've seen to it. Uh, you know, if you do get into a court case, you've got to
fight it, you know, deal with jurisdictional challenges and things like that. That's after this. This is the
beginning of going into any particular court case where there's civil or criminal, we don't care what it is and
um, you know, I'm dealing with what's really going on, so we'll get to that a minute. But a couple of things that
had been on my mind lately, a convention of the states.

Now this is a little bit more on the political side of things. Um, in case you all have wondered why did we get
into this situation is because, in my opinion, in part and a major part is that we've forgotten about the fourth
branch of government. And um, you know, we've let Washington, Congress Senate the Judicial Branch, the
executive branch pretty much run wild since 1933 when the last convention of the states occurred. This is not a
radical concept. It's just something that we've stopped doing because the powers that be in Washington would
rather just have not use this power. But it is the highest power in the land. You're tired of watching the news as
I am and watching them argue over little things and go nowhere. Even this big tax proposals, nothing more
than moving a few chess pieces around. It's not really accomplishing anything.

Um, it doesn't really address the real issue of constitutional authority of the government and the ears and, and,
uh, and all the other things that they're getting themselves into. If you're tired of that, there's, there's two things
you can do is do what we're doing, which is we're teaching the judicial system that we are figuring out what's
going on and how to handle our affairs. That's hugely important. That's where you readdress your rights. That's
a constitutional right. That's what we're using this for. The second piece is the pay. The state senates have the

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ability to get together and form what's called a convention to the states and that convinced that the state gives
them the authority to go out and organize and basically have a convention and then they get to proposed
constitutional amendments. Not necessarily change old amendments, but typically these are just, well they can
be used, but generally the one, the one that's for me now, it's about doing things like term limits and limiting
the authority of Congress to over interstate commerce, commerce, and a few other proposals that are coming
into play.

05:14
But if you don't endorse something like that isn't going to happen, so please go look on the Internet for
convention of the States Article Five convention of the states. Just search for it. You'll find videos on youtube,
you'll find a website. I'm on the subject. Donate a few dollars if you can. That will really, really make a
difference. And um, you know it, unless you and you tell your friends to do this, stop complaining about what's
going on in Washington. Your vote doesn't matter as long as these people aren't held to account for anything,
the vote doesn't matter. But the convention of the states is the one thing that can redirect what's going on. So if
you're tired of things, that is one of the things you can really jump into and get involved in your local
community. It really is up to the local authorities to do something.

05:59
We're not stopped waiting for trump to do something. Um, uh, other information mastercoin plus you've got
the information out there about what's going on with bitcoin in case you haven't heard bitcoin hit up upwards
of 7,000 above recently in value per coin, but that's not where the money is. The money is in accumulating
more of it over time and the and plus program is a great way to do that. Everybody's talking about Bitcoin is
easy conversation to have with people, but I tell them, hey, it's not about just hoping it goes up in value. It's
also about accumulating more of it. Whether you like it or believe it or not, whether you think it's safe or not is
irrelevant. What matters is it's here is being accepted worldwide. Now it's being turned into securities now on
our securities market and you really can't stop it at this point.

06:49
People will say, well, what's the w? It's not real currency. Well, what is the Federal Reserve Note? Is it
currency? No, it's not. It's just a bond to promise to pay. We just happened to just traded as a currency, but if
value only comes by supply and demand, well that's why bitcoin prices has gone up because there is a limited
supply and the demand is increasing. That's why I'm in, but it's not just, I'm not looking for just the gain on it
and if you don't understand it, it's just like owning your bank account or pay pal account. You Go, you go get
it. You put funds in it except it's measured in bitcoin currency rather than the dollar. That's all. And then you
can, you can, once you have it, you could do something like join mastercoin plus on my team and we'll show
you how to turn it into more dollars.

07:31
We have some people making some pretty good money right now, uh, by talking about Bitcoin to people,
showing them how to get more of it, not just how to get the increase from it. OK? So check that out. There's
links all over the website for that. Uh, if you're not using the jurisdiction of the self-help legal course that is a
foundational course for everything we're doing. I'm question. Oh yeah, we get a lot of support issues. People
don't understand how to use their support system, so here's what you have to remember. If you contact support
at [inaudible] dot org or you go to our ticket system, generally speaking, that email is for us is really for or that
support ticket system is only for login issues like you can't. You paid for your county; you can't get in, why
you lost your password, stuff like that.

08:16
They're not going to ask her questions about your legal issues, so don't ask. It's not an option. Yeah, there's a
way to do that. If you're a premium member, only do we answer emails and you have to be using the Proton
mail system and the whole details on how to do that are on the premium member page. So go look that up and
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for the best because support that. Somebody who all they do is handle login issues. They don't answer legal
questions, neither do I, but I show you the course material and how to use it. We also have a new course on
void judgments and a workbook.

09:02
If you beyond the premium members page, you'll see a link there. And that link is, um, is there for your use.
It's a, it's actually an older course from somebody else[s material. We put it together in a form that makes it
easy to use. So it tells you how to void judgment. Is tells you how to understand jurisdiction. The jurisdiction
is really what we're doing here. Once the court loses jurisdiction, its case closed and we have to stop giving it
away. That's what we tend to do. They never really have it. We just tend to give them the presumption that
they have it. And that's a concept you have to really get in your between your skull. And people think, well, I
went in there, I gave my name, I gave up jurisdiction. Wrong. You gave up personam jurisdiction. So the void
judgment courses, really cool if you haven't checked it out.

09:45
Um, it's on the premium members page click, it's a whole page that comes up with a couple of workbooks,
some videos that you have, especially have an old case, but it'll show you how to kill a current case. But if you
have an old case she lost, maybe you've got a Summary Judgment, uh, it might help you. The only time it
won't really help as if there really was a damaged party making an a witness against you that you harmed them.
Then that's the one time that that kind of concept doesn't work. But otherwise, uh, the victimless paper stuff
that's just stuff out of thin air that comes at you. That's the stuff that it can help you with. Slam Dunk is another
program that we've just added. It's a special coaching program. There's an additional cost, but it's discounted
for premium members.

10:25
Uh, that is a great way to really quickly and efficiently do away with a criminal charge as long as there's not a
harmed party or you didn't endanger somebody, uh, that program is very effective to stop criminal cases. We're
not going into details on that. I'll share that one on one when you asked for a consult on it and you've reviewed
the material first. Tonight we're going to talk about a strategy for an appearance in court. Now we do have
material out there on how to, uh, kind of take care of your parents materials before court. We just added that up
into the general folders here recently and it's really a good way to deal with the administrative side before you
go into court. But tonight we're going to talk about, you know, the situation where you still need to go and
there might be situations where you do.

11:17
Now, let me explain this from this point of view because obviously you never want to appear in court and
that's true, but how do you appear and not appear at the same time? Well, it's how you appear that, that
answers that question. And the concept we're talking about tonight is, um, it's really, I'm gonna talk about two
basic concepts, that I’ve combined into one, but you're going to hear it from two different people who each
have used different elements of this. And it's worked quite well and they're each going to give you a little
background on what because y'all don't know what the story, you know basically how they get to where and
then they were making this appearance and then what happened, and I think you're going to enjoy hearing that,
but what we have to understand is when you're going into court, one thing that's going on in addition to maybe
a civil or criminal and civil charges against you or a criminal charge against you is it's a charge.

12:07
It's a financial transaction and when that court gets opened, bonds get recreated. The prosecutor brings it into
the case and they take some liability for damaging you. If they do, and I'm thinking is, is that this bond only
exists because of you. You're the living being that creates the real, if you want to call yourself, I don't like to
use the word creditor because it gets people off to another tangent, but the reality is you're the person who,
because of your existence, this estate is what is created and they tend to charge that estate with bills and things
that come up and including charges for court. So what we have to do is we come in and instead of saying

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guilty or not guilty, and what we should be saying is, hey, settled the account with the bonds that are already
here and this matter goes away.

12:53
Instead of saying that we have go say guilty or not guilty, right? Take the attorney, uh, and there is a route to
go if you do take the attorney, but this is a way to pull yourself back out of that or avoiding altogether and
appear without appearing. So I'm going to read to you what I want you to memorize, but you'll be able to pull
this document up and read it. You can't memorize a couple of sentences then don't bother trying to do anything
because this is not that hard. But I want you to understand what I'm saying, so I'm going to say it then I'm
going to explain what I said and I'm going to say it again, just so you know, want you to understand what we're
doing here. And this document I have goes into much more detail about the definitions and why this is so
important.

13:36
In fact, I got it out of legal dictionary and it says right there that it's a very effective process in court, in a legal
dictionary. So we didn't just make this stuff up. So anyway, memorize this; keep a copy with this in front of
you. You know, get your family trained up on how to do it in case they get pulled in and chains get kidnapped
and taken away to one of these places. Uh, just introduce yourself. Now, this is where it kind of contradicts a
little bit of some of the other concepts that have been used. But introduce yourself in your full, uppercase and
lowercase name. Just say, don't use any initials because that tends to be a way they try to identify you as the
other thing. Say, well I'm here, you know, my name is this. No problem. We're not playing to the personam
jurisdiction game.

14:16
We're playing the securities and subject matter jurisdiction game. OK, cause there's different parts of
jurisdiction in every court. So you don't have to play the game because that's a very awkward thing to do. And
then do this as well. So just walk in there and say, this is my full given name, my God given name, and then
say, before we proceed I need to ask the judge a question because they're going to say are you ready to
proceed. Yeah, before we proceed, I want to ask a question. Will the plaintiff or the prosecutor certify
my right of subrogation? And would you do with your writing, please? Let me say it again. Will the
plaintiff, or the prosecutor, certify my right of subrogation? Now I'm going to ask somebody here in a minute
to come on who that's basically what he did and he'll tell you his story basically how he did it, but I'm pretty
sure it's close.

14:58
And what we're saying here is that you're not the surety for the case. That means you're not going to be the
liable party in indemnifying their bonds that they've brought to the court. As a matter of fact, you have a claim
to it and now you're telling them, I own this case, now, I’ve become the prosecution and you need to settle the
account. Now, if you've never heard this stuff before, you probably thought that was just complete French,
Spanish and Greek mixed together. The reality is if this is what they're doing, this is what works and you're
going to hear why in a minute. Then you can make an offer at that point to tell them, well, since you now have
possession of all the securities that are set up for this case, and all cases have security set up for them, you
can use those to set off or discharge whatever's going on.

15:39
And you can discharge a criminal charge. You can set off a child support case. You can set off whatever kind
of matter it is before you. Just don't get caught up in the language of the case and arguing the case. Stay on this
because this is the real issue and this is the one they don't want to talk about. They'll do everything they can to
avoid this. They’ll demure. They'll go onto something else. They'll avoid you. They might yell, who knows,
they might be quiet. What you have to do is say, well, you know again, I'm going to ask you one more time.
Will the plaintiff certify my right of subrogation, which, by the way, they cannot refuse. And then you say,
well then I want the matter set off. You can go ahead. You have my authority to take care of it.
Speaker 1

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16:18
Just simple language like that. You don't have to use any fancy. Just remember that one phrase and um, they
really, they can't refuse it. Now then let's say they kind of blow past and just keep going and you keep going
with the script. And one of our other members who's on here, she just went right to step two and it still worked.
OK? So I'm telling you, you don’t have to be perfect as long as you get through this thing. So if they don’t
comply and they move forward, you say, well, I do not consent to these proceedings. Your offer is not
accepted. And then finally you say, I do not consent to being surety for this case and these proceedings
and I believe I do have a right to subrogation that's being denied. I demand the bond be immediately
brought forward so I can see who will identify me if I am damaged.

16:59
Because they brought that bond to court, those prosecutors have to do it. And it's your bond. If you just don't
make the claim to it, you lose it. And so now you use it to settle or set off the case. So again, what we said here
is I'm not the surety, uh, I have a right to subrogation. I have a right to take that bond that was created in my
name and use it. And then use it to set off the account, set off the case, instead of walking in there and signing,
accepted for value on something and standing behind the bar and all that kind of stuff. This is so much easier.
You just walk in there and ask a few questions and I think you’re gonna find out when you hear the real world
stories, what's happening with this, why it works. You don't have to get too mystical, you know, you'd have to
say, I'm a sovereign man living on a cloud somewhere.

17:40
I am just walking in, I'm giving him my given name and I'm asking him a question. And it spins the court
round, makes you the plaintiff. You now have a claim, instead of going in into their claim, you went on
offense. Remember how many times have you heard them say, go on offense? This spins on offense with that
first question. And then, um, you know, they're stuck. If you don't go play the game, they're stuck. And if
you've got to come in later and do this, maybe you could write a letter or ask for hearing just for the purpose of
coming in and saying this. You could do that too. But get going on this as soon as you can in the case. You
watch. It'll change everything. So, um, uh, again, will the plaintiff certify my right of subrogation and if
they blow past that you say, well, I do not consent to these proceedings and your offer is not accepted
because that's what they're doing is making you an alternate offer and I do not consent to being surety for this
case and these proceedings.

18:37
I believe I do have a right to subrogation is being denied. I demand the bond be immediately brought forward
so I can see who will indemnify me if I am damaged. If you keep the discussion about these 4 little short issues
and don't get off this subject, no matter what they do, there is no place for them to go. And instead of just
walking out and wondering what's going to happen, you've walked out with the thing actually discharged
financially, which kills the case. So anyway, now what I'm gonna do is I want to bring on, um, since we're
talking about subrogation, I think I'll bring Lorne on first. Lorne, are you there? OK Sir. How you doing
today? First of all,
Speaker 2
19:22
Outstanding. It couldn't be better.
Speaker 1
19:24
Well, I know, I know you couldn’t be better after what you got to experience. So I want you to tell me, tell
them what basically was going on that got you into a case where you used basically this concept and tell them
how you use it.
Speaker 2
19:42
Yes. I was um, teaching someone, teaching a bunch of people, how to stop the sheriff’s sale on a house with
$100 or less, it was a little seminar that I was teaching. Well the judge and the trustee of the bankruptcy court
decided that was illegal and they want to swear out a warrant and a summons and all that good stuff. They

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wanted me to come to court and I put it off a couple of times but something else. But it kept coming back so
well this time I walked in there and the judge and the bankruptcy trustee were here and there and they're like,
they're really up for this,
Speaker 1
20:23
So this is a claim that you made in the bankruptcy court cause of everything, you were interfering with
bankruptcy matters, right?
Speaker 2
20:30
Right, right. You didn't sign the form on there were you help somebody with bankruptcy, you've got to sign
this form and all of that stuff. I'm like, uh-huh. So I go in.
Speaker 1
20:42
Yeah,
Speaker 2
20:45
They, they look at us like, OK, you know, we really gonna get after this guy and I'm real calm and I purposely
come in real calm because I'm rather a big guy. OK, I'm a big guy. So I knew if I raised my voice, everybody
will panic. Extremely ugly. Large and ugly. And if I raise my voice, everybody will panic. Like, oh my God,
let me call up the National Guard. So I purposely go the other way. I purposely, you know, take my voice
down a notch, try to be real calm and, real smooth so nobody gets too excited and so the judge, you know, they
call the case. It's United States bankruptcy court versus Lorne. I'd come up here and all that fun stuff. And I
used to do what everybody else did. I used to stand behind the bar and refused to go in there and play that
game. This time I said, you know what, I'm going to try something totally different. And I've been reading
about subrogation, so went in and they read off these and alleged charges, it’s nonsense, that's not even
relevant. And I just said, well, will the claimant certify my right to subrogation?
Speaker 2
22:01
And the judge looked at me for a second and he paused and he looked at me a little bit longer. He looks around
a courtroom and there must've been about, I don't know, 10, 15 people in the courtroom. He gets this look on
his face and says, go sit down and we'll talk to you again. We’ll put you at the end of the calendar. Okay? So I
can go back and sit down in the back. And I'm sitting in the back and I'm looking at these people walk up there
and he is just like raking them over the coals and I'm trying to get at this that and going back to school. So this
thing goes on to the point where they break for lunch. That was my thing was at 9:00 o’clock. They break for
lunch. Still not up there. This is like all day. So I’m, you know, in the back and finally the courtroom is
completely empty except for me, the judge, the prosecutor and the trustee.
Speaker 2
22:52
He says, yeah, that is you can make it today, sir. You can even have a nice day. This thing is dismissed. That
was in there, but the issue was he puts you at the end of the day when nobody else was in the courtroom, so I'm
sitting there saying, why would you, why would you wait at the end of the day to do this? I mean, I've been
here since 9:00. Now it's 2:30 and you're just throwing this thing out. Why didn't you do that at 9:00? Well at
9:00 there were 15 other people in that courtroom and he didn't want any of them here, but I just said, how are
we going to rule?
Speaker 1
23:24
Exactly. He brings up something out of the ordinary. They just put you to the end of the day because they don't
know what’s coming and they don’t want the people to see how simply if you actually address the real issue at
hand; you can win, instead of going in there and arguing.
Speaker 2
23:43
They did try. They did try to push me off, you know, get you off center, ask you a bunch of questions and all
that, but you know, I kind of. I'm kind of a pit bull mentality. I just kinda a locked and loaded on the

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subrogation. And I just stayed with that and unless you answer that, we can’t move forward and once he saw
that I wasn't backing up. For everybody on the phone, what happens is in these scenarios, they're going to try
you. They're going to attempt to see how strong you are with your stance, you know, if they can, if they can
rattle you, if they can get you off, get off your line, if they can get you wobbling back and forth and, and
coming at you with a bunch of other stuff to see if they can pull you off center. I was like, no, I'm staying right
here. I’m not budging.
Speaker 1
24:27
That’s what I was saying on the script earlier, you got it. No matter what they do, you stay on this little arena
of questions and you don’t get outside of that. No matter what, we can't proceed until we get this resolved.
Speaker 2
24:36
They gonna try you. They gonna try a couple of different times. They, you know, the guy after that second
time he realized, this guy ain’t gonna budge.
Speaker 1
24:45
How many times did Dorothy have to kick your heels together to get out of Oz? Three times. By the way,
folks, if you don't know the story, that's actually a story of how jurisdiction works. Um, and then, um, what
else? What’s the other analogy for that? Uh, you know, Jesus was in the desert for 40 days. He was tested.
Devil tried to test him and he was tempted, he was tempted, but he stayed on point. These are lessons that
really, really matter and that's what this subrogation is all about. It is really about, are they or are they going to
pull you out into their game or are you going to stay in your game?

25:25
And it's powerful. And yours isn’t the first case I've heard of this. When you brought it up I went, oh my gosh,
we haven't someone on one of our calls, say, but I've certainly heard on some other, uh, resources that I've
been tuned into. And I said, oh, I got to put a piece together on this. And so that's what I did is I took the
document, called Court Appearance, Kill it Fast. I added that as the first step. And then the second steps, which
were there before actually in a previous version of the document, I think Tom may have used. Um, and um, but
before I cut with you Lorne, and you can always chime back in, do you have any other thing else you wanted
to add?
Speaker 2
26:01
No that was it. I’m a seasoned court guard and not that I’m always in trouble, but I've been in there for
foreclosures. I've been in there for all kinds of stuff ticket, all kind of crazy stuff and you know, this is by far
the easiest thing I could do to walk out of a courtroom. I mean it's, it's, it's really crazy simple and they don't
want any part of it and they will not hear right here.
Speaker 1
26:28
I have a friend. He and I, we've, we've been back and forth. Tried a lot of things. Tried a lot of things for years.
I think he's actually on the call and uh, you know, and I said, you know, when we start figuring this stuff out,
it's going to end up really being the simplest thing and it's going to be praised and put way simpler than we
admitted. You didn't file a bunch of documents. You didn't have to go in there and say I'm the sovereign men
on the land and I glow in the dark and you have to, you know, it’s military flag. And it's a, I’m not a United
States citizen. You don’t have to make all these arguments. You just simply have to ask a question that hits
them right where the center of this thing is. It's like you're going to shoot an arrow at a target, you're going to
just go for it with one arrow and be done with it, or you're going to start shooting all over the place and this
seems to be one of those things. It's just really nailing it and it takes all that stuff about the trust and the cesti-
que and the, all these different things that we've gotten into and puts it into one sentence. And I want to hear
from the rest of you how well you do with this in situations coming up. OK, Tom, are you there?
Speaker 3
27:38
Yes, I'm here. How are you doing today?

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Speaker 1
27:43
I'm doing good. I'm doing better when I heard the news today. That was really good.
Speaker 3
27:48
It was. I was excited
Speaker 1
27:51
Can you give everybody just a quick little background, kind of what was generally going on, what started this
and what they were doing to you. Just briefly and then tell us what just recently came down, how it led to this.
Speaker 3
28:04
Uh, hello everybody. So, um, I am in the state of California and out here, um, the judges in the courts, they
really just seem to be out of control. Um, and I think that's because uh, uh, I think they said California is one of
it is the largest judicial network in the world. Um, so they, so, um, so that's what I'm up against. Now, I'm, I, I
was drug into this court, um, by false pretenses. So I had an issue and um, I used to believe, you know, you go
to court and you can get it solved between you and someone else, but it doesn't matter. As soon as you, well at
least here in California, as soon as you go there, they will, they'll change it and they'll use whoever your
complaint is about against you for whoever makes the most amount of money, you know, they violate your
privacy, they violate everything.
Speaker 3
29:06
Um, but anyway, so they violated my privacy and they find out that I made more money and I had a more
stable household and the other person and more types of arrangement. Oh my God, it didn't even have to do
with support. It just has to do with me getting my custody time not interfere on by the other parent and when
they, and when they saw that I made more money, they turned it into a child support problem and me and him
already agreed that in our divorce, um, that we, we knowingly and willingly agree to opt out of child support
services and it says that very clear and bold in our judgment. They ignored it anyway. They got away with
doing this for the past three years because, um, I didn't realize this, but the second time I arrived at court, they
had already changed my name and his name, um, on the, on the, for the case.
Speaker 3
30:02
So I was showing up for my case. But in reality I was showing up for their case. They already got rid of the
real one and they had me and him showing up for these false identities. And um, and so once they started
doing that, then they made their own child support order. They started, they ordered me to pay him a thousand
dollars a month. It was so ridiculous. I got stressed out. I eventually lost my job, um, uh, the, the thing, then
they started arresting me. I'm refusing to pay. Then they started arresting me. They, they, they chuck trying to
get me to fight back physically and for everybody listening, it is scary. Um, I've never been arrested. I grew up
in a very preppy, preppy town. Um, Catholic school. Just suburbian and what I had been thrown into is just
totally unreal. It. I never believed that this could even happen.
Speaker 3
31:05
So that's how naïve I was when I first came into court. Um, and they, uh, they, they pretty much tried to suck
the life out of me. Um, and so anyway they started arresting me and that was really scary, you know, because,
um, they couldn't get me to acquiesce on the civil side. So they started arresting me to make me a criminal so
they could, so they could just flat out take my right and then put it on paper and show everybody, looks see,
she has no right. You know, I mean, they were trying to make me a felon. Well, they weren't trying to make
me a felon, but they were trying to, um, they were charging me was, well, they still are, was four
misdemeanors. Um, no, I'm sorry, six misdemeanors. Um, and I believe that um, I actually may be one of the
only people who have got arrested while sitting in the police lobby waiting for police report.
Speaker 3
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It wasn't, I mean, tell me about it. I mean, I was scared. I thought they were gonna kill me and now I see why
they say always take somebody with you to the court house. It doesn't matter how simple you think it's going
to be. Just always have someone there because a witness is golden. And the first time I was arrested I was
arrested after my hearing was over, they got me in the hallway trying to leave the court. That was the first one.
And then after that they started making up these charges that had to do with child support, they had to do with
a family matters. So in order to take rights from a parent, you have to find them guilty of some kind of child
abuse. So of course, when I was, when I was sitting in the police station waiting for police report and I was
um, oh my goodness, arrested out of that came a charge for child neglect, child abuse and assaulting, eh assault
and battery on my children and a third person.
Speaker 3
33:10
So they, they, you got. So when you, when you were making such a complaint, they just made up the correct.
Correct. So, so, so then they arrested me again in the hallway. So it doesn't matter why they were arresting you
or what they're trying to say the claims are, the subject matter doesn't matter. Um, and that's what I think, um,
um, that everyone eventually, when you finally can, can let go of all the drama because it's very hard to, um,
because you just want to say, look, you know, they made a mistake or look, this is wrong or you're violating
my rights. They don't care. They don't care about any of it. Um, they don't even care if you're the right person
or name. They just care that someone showed up and they're going to force you to do whatever they want you
to do. Um, and when you, don't, they make it even worse for you to the point where your friends and family
are going to start telling you, just do what they want. I mean, it's totally insane.
Speaker 1
34:12
No, they brainwash everybody else around you essentially socially, constantly, just go along, you know, pay
your fair share or they say on the tax side of things. Just go along, don't, don't fight them, get a lawyer. All
those things. Wrong.
Speaker 3
34:30
Yeah, I couldn't believe it. It, it's, you know, and so they, they don't recognize children of God. So understand
that. If you understand that you are a child of God…
Speaker 1
It makes you a legitimate military target, if they're the evil one, did you know that? A legitimate military
target. So just you gotta be prepared. That, you know, everybody wants to in society, they want to lay down
and be quiet and not do anything and just go along to get along. And you know, what's happening to us?
Tyranny by progressivism basically is what we're saying. When they say progressive, just watch out. That's a
word for, we're coming slowly, but we're coming.
Speaker 3
35:13
It's um, yeah. So, so, um,
Speaker 1
35:17
So tell us what’s going on, now you've gotten up to where these things are all sort of happened, you've had
some hearings, you kind of got smacked around a few of the hearing if you would have just started to started to
do, and then how did you get?
Speaker 3
35:29
Pretty much once I had my head under the water and their, their foot on my head and I was, I'm almost ready
to just completely drown. Um, I got, I was blessed to, to see your website and um, and from there, um, uh, uh,
what I was doing wrong became apparent. I saw how they were getting away with it and everything. And um, I
did the um, uh, what's the strategy called? It's the, uh, I keep wanting to call it the donkey. It's a slam dunk. So,
um, so the, the, so what I want everyone to understand is that my situation became insane where even if I
stopped, even if I acquiesce, it was still going to be that either way. Um, so I had no choice but to fight and I
was going to fight anyway, so it doesn't really matter, but um, so, uh, once I got the um, the slam dunk, oh my
goodness, that gave me confidence to, to not, to not, to know where the end game was, right?

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Speaker 3
36:37
I know the end game now, you know, I knew how to, I was able to connect the dots and, and not be afraid
because I know the ending that I want and how I'm going to get it. And so the, the, one of the things that I did
that actually got everything to stop was a criminal complaint, um, and a criminal complaint, if you're really,
really in, just, they're just walking all over you stealing your money, garnishing, taking everything, taking your
kids, taking your car, your house, trying to leave you homeless, a criminal complaint will stop everything. It's
like, um, it's like, uh, you know, like I said, I was drowning. It was like someone lifted, put their hand out for
me to um, to take, to lift me out of the water at that point. Um, and in the hearings now the judges, they give
everybody their rights. It’s insane. I didn't even know we had had as many rights before I filed that criminal
complaint.
Speaker 3
37:38
It was crazy, face to face. They told every single person that judge told every single person all of their rights
and um, you know, as that part happened, immediately appreciate in. Oh No. Oh No. And some. Oh No, no,
they, they, they brushed, you know, they, they kind of just do that. Everyone stand up, raise your right hand
and you know, that you've given away your rights and they don't even tell you the rights that you have. Even if
you're contesting, you know, um, some people would say, well I don't understand, you know, and uh, they
threw out this deal and the people are like, OK, I'll take the deal. I mean, it's insane.
Speaker 3
38:20
Criminal complaint, every. So for anyone who's hearing is on my day, they will actually get, they will, they
will get to know what their real rights are. So if they're interested, you know, it'll, it can actually help them.
But, you know, I don't really know. Anyway, I'm getting off topic, so, um, yeah, so, um, uh, and once I got the
criminal to stop, um, then they started coming at me again from the civil side and that was contempt and child
support, right? Because I'm not paying, so they, they, they, and this, I went in there and just so confident it
was, it was unreal. And I go in and um, I have my, um, you know, end game, you know, fair to, fair to say the
claim for which really were granted anyway. So I have my whole little script and this was the other thing, you
can never have a script, you just have to know your endgame.
Speaker 3
39:15
Um, because I knew what I wanted to say. I knew what I had to say and you never know what they're going to
do or say. So they, they call my case, they call me first. Um, I was surprised they called me first and Um, so
they called me up and uh, uh, they try and get me to, um, uh, they actually just try and get me to get into the
drama of the subject, you know? Oh yeah. We have these charges. Um, I said, I request the public defender,
um, you know, we have these charges and you know, I'm blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I go, so I request the
public defender. I said, I filed my paperwork for a public defender. So, eh, you know, am I to understand, you
know, that I'm, that I'm being denied the right to cancel. I'm sorry, the right to counsel.
Speaker 3
40:05
I said I object, I object and I'm, uh, I'm motion to dismiss, but prefer to state the claim for which relief can be
granted and uh, and then they bring up something else. And uh, I would say, um, uh, o my God, oh, I totally
forgot. So the first thing I said was, I object to these proceedings. Um, yeah. So, so when they started talking,
um, because like I said, you never know how they're going to start or you know, how it's going to begin. And
as soon as I got up there, I said, I, I've, I've done it. I said, um, I'm, I do not consent to these proceedings. And I
said, I'm a, I do not consent to your offer. And they went into their other stuff and um, and, and you're right
about the, the Dorothy thing. I actually, I asked my witness who was there at said how many times I say I
motion to dismiss for failure to state a claim for which relief could be granted. He goes three times. I've all, oh
my goodness, it was three.
Speaker 3
41:12
And at the end of it, um, at the end of it they dismiss, they dismiss my case and vacated it. Of course they, they
wrote on the thing I'm dismissed, vacated. They said that the prosecutor had a, an air. And so they rescheduled

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my contempt hearing. Um, but, um, I have no fear now, now that I know the game and I know that they just
want to keep getting you to come back, um, so that they can try and acquiesce you or, or, um, but once, once
you understand, once you, once you know that you can stand on, I do not consent to these proceedings. Um,
it's powerful. I mean, the, the, the commissioner kept talking to the who, who, whoever's sitting there, you
know, next to him. I'm like, you know, it's like they're giving them legal advice. I don't even, I didn't even
know what was going on.
Speaker 3
42:05
Um, um, but anyway,
Speaker 1
But your motion to dismiss for failure to state a claim for which relief can be granted is still a pending motion
in the court. So if it was me I would say, well I was in the court, I offered this motion. It was not ruled upon.
I'm standing, I'm not appearing again until I get my ruling. You know, that administrative error was an excuse
to get rid of. They do not want to acknowledge what you said. That's why I said, whatever they do is just try to
dissuade you from your position. And you know, a friend, Jack Smith used to always say, kind of set it in this
nasally voice. He'd say, sometimes you don't know when you're winning and this is one of those situations
where you told me do not consent to proceed. They came up with an excuse. Eventually, you know your
motion to dismiss for failure to state a claim for which relief can be granted. Essentially they dismissed it. I
mean, they may come back and you just simply consent them. Now you can get back to an administrative
process. I do not consent to these proceedings and I'm only coming about forward if the claimant will certify
my right to subrogation and to put that as a letter to him maybe something like that.
Speaker 3
43:21
Correct. Correct. Now I know how to appear by, um, by pleading. And that's exactly right. So once I got that
dismissal, I mean it was huge. I couldn’t believe it.
Speaker 1
So there you go, folks. See sometimes you don't know when you're winning. So it happens.
Speaker 3
orrect. Because there they wouldn't just let me leave, you know, they're like, oh, well we're going to continue.
Um, you know, where they're going to redo their, um, their claim against you on December 21st, make sure you
show up December 21st. I'm just, I'm just like, this is a joke, you know, it's, it's a complete joke, but, the most
powerful thing that you can say is I do not consent to these proceedings. I can't stress that enough. That has to
be the first thing you'd say as soon as you get up there. Because I've always just gone right up to the bar. I
mean, I've known about all the other stuff, but the thing is that when you come in there as a man, a woman,
um, you know, stand as a child of God, they cannot talk to you, they can't see you.
Speaker 3
44:28
So you have to answer using the all cap name, you have to enter the bar and once you're in there you have to
know how to get out. Otherwise, you know, it's, it's like quicksand. If you don't know anything and you just go
in there, they will suck the life out of you like vampires.
Speaker 1
Yeah I’ve said it so many times. Just like walking into a cave full of vampires. Understand, but they have to
deceive you into volunteering. And you could go in when the name is called, Yeah, I’m here on that matter but
I’m here for this, not on that. I do not consent. And if you start with that question that Lorne did now, just go
in there first with that say, will the plaintiff certify my right to subrogation before we proceed? Then if they try
to move on then, I do not consent to these proceedings. Your offer is not accepted. And then I've got this little
closing statement now that we've revised a little bit that ties it all up, but you got to close the deal. So I do not
consent to the proceedings as I said, I already told you that.
Speaker 3
45:33
Definitely gonna look into that to close it up, but yeah, correct. And the thing I want everyone to know is no
matter how impossible you think the situation is, there's always a way to stop it all. And, and, um, and the
California statute that criminal complaint actually will help you do that. Or it is your remedy out. And I

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couldn't believe that it was from a Dave Merlin. And you know, Dave Merlin program Drive By Litigation and
it was wonderful. I, it changed my way of looking at the situation, you know, instead of looking at, um, oh,
they want to take uh you know instead of being worried about what name is written on the paper, what name is
written on the order. None of that stuff matters. All that matters is, you know, what, you're selling my property
and I want my property back.
Speaker 3
46:31
Otherwise this is how much it costs for you to keep my property.
Speaker 1
How you speak in this context is far more important than saying who I am and who I'm not. They will know
by how you speak, because the king asks questions. So if you're the one as king, you are the king and that we
own this system and not them. And uh, by the way, you'd want to ask these questions, especially the ones that
really put them on the hot spot, the hot seat. If you don't consent, you didn't contract. If they don't, if again, this
new thing, will the plaintiff certify my right to subrogation? That is huge when you read the document and
then you read the definition of subrogation a couple of times is right there in the legal dictionary telling you
what you can do with this. So when you write your letter back, say I've reminded you, I do not discuss these
proceedings in your offer is not accepted, but only have one question of the court, will the plaintiff certify my
right of subrogation?
Speaker 1
47:30
I need an answer before the court date. Take the same script and put it into writing?
Speaker 3
47:39
Yeah. Yeah. That's the stuff that's powerful. It's powerful. It's definitely powerful once, um, once you can, you
know, get over that fear because they, they definitely scare the heck out of people.
Speaker 1
47:49
At least now you understand what's going on and you know, you know, you're playing a game on your terms
now.
Speaker 3
47:58
Yeah. That, that's a huge, that's a huge, that's huge. You know, it's uh, it's actually the biggest part is, is I'm
running the game now, you know, so it's like, OK, you want to bring me in here again? I, well eventually, you
know, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm almost out of all this nonsense.
Speaker 1
48:18
Very close. I mean, like I said, now administratively, you need to hit him with the exact same questions. Just
say, I thought I told you your offer is not accepted and I do not consent. Now I'm going to ask you one
question. Will the plaintiff certify my right to subrogation, and if not, and if he will, he needs to go ahead and
set off whatever debts or accounts you are making a claim to here otherwise leave me alone. They have,
you’ve given them. You've made your claim to the, this bond that they put up for every case and you're the one
that created it because of your existence technically. Now you're telling them, now go use it. You got a charge,
go pay it. Case dismissed. You dismiss the charge. I tell you, if they want to bring it up again, failure to state a
claim for which relief can be granted. What does that mean? That means there is no claim remaining to be
settled. You already settled it. So come back at them with a couple of the letter just on the same basis. Just
draft something that makes sense that use similar language and tell them I'm coming only if this is answered.
It's an offer.
Speaker 3
49:30
That’s my story and I'm here today. Yeah. So out of that, out of that, I actually did get a, I'm a, I'm writing the
criminal complaint today out of that, ah, my dismissal for the child support. So what, what they ended up
exposing, you know, because they're too busy trying to, to, to trap me. They're just, they're just um, eh,
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49:56
yeah,
Speaker 3
49:58
they, they're exposing their, their scheme. So anyway, so I said, you know, I, I, I did that. I object for failure to
state a claim for which relief can be granted. I don't even have a complaint. Well, the, the child support lady,
she, she slides over a complaint. And um, I said, oh, you know, well the name on this, I said this, this
commissioner here, he was, um, a preemptory. I removed him from my hearing. I did a preemptory challenge
back February 14th. And the child support lady says, Oh, well, um, he didn't, he didn't see your complaint. We,
we, we stamped it. We just used his stamp. So I said, so now the commissioners and the judges, they don't
even know the orders that are being passed here because someone's just stamping paperwork along and then
we show up here and that's why they don't know what the heck is going on?
Speaker 1
50:54
Yeah. So now my question would be, because there's now, there's a jurisdictional question. They're making a
claim. Well, who are you and are you a party with firsthand knowledge to the damage that you're claiming?
Speaker 4
51:06
Yeah.
Speaker 1
51:07
And then you get that in the record that makes the judgment if they get it, void, because it was never a
firsthand party.
Speaker 3
51:12
You did? Yeah, that was like my second, um, ah, my, my second fact and then object that they did not have a
claim upon which relief can be granted. I went through all of those, but I couldn't believe it when she said it on
the record that, um, that someone that someone in the courthouse is just stamping the commissioner's name on
these, on these, on paper, paperwork or these, these court records. So now I have a claim, now I have a
criminal complaint for fraud.
Speaker 1
51:43
Yeah. If they're trying to make a claim to something which is what they're doing, and they’re causing
difficulties causing you harm, you have a right to complain.
Speaker 3
They're stealing my property.
Speaker 1
They’re causing you harm. They're costing your time, your reputation, your job. I'd say you got a pretty good.
You could write a heck of an affidavit. You gotta have the affidavit.
Speaker 3
52:03
It's beautiful. It's short. It's like two to three, three sentences. I mean it’s ridiculous. Correct. It’s a big criminal
complaint for fraud.
Speaker 1
52:17
Yeah. It’s good for you. You could throw in there say, you know, I believe that they're trafficking securities
and not disclosing them to me. That'll scare ‘em. That’ll bring down the FTC and the SEC on him.
Speaker 3
The racketeering activity?
Speaker 1
The racketeering and all that. Isn’t this fun when you start seeing the big picture? It's fun now. You set out to
know how in the beginning. I mean, you're not going dancing and having drinks, but just show fun in the way
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Speaker 3
52:46
Yeah, it is. So it, it now, it is a whole lot. It's a whole lot more fun because I go in and like, OK, let's see what
they're going to do now.
Speaker 1
52:55
Yeah. Well if you stay on this mantra, download this new download we just put in the folder. It's, it's, I think
it's pretty solid. I just kind of *inaudible* on it today. Hope I didn't screw up my. I always make mistakes, but I
think you'll get the point, a real clear, a little circle of discussion you can stay within those four questions.
Speaker 3
53:19
Thank you TJ. That helps.
Speaker 1
53:22
It was great. It was great. A lot of people are going to learn a lot from that. All right. So, uh, now we're done
with that section. I think we'll take some questions. Anybody that's in the queue, if you're a premium member,
your first, so don't get into queue unless you're a premium member, you know, hit star six to take yourself out
of the queue. But if you're a premium member, let's give us your name, tell us you're a premium member and
you can ask your question and uh, hopefully Lorne’s still with us and Tom Murray's there, they should still be
on the host line and it should be able to answer questions if the question is directed to them. <Unk> go ahead.
Speaker 5
54:03
Hi, how are you? This is Omar. I’m a premium member Omar, how you doing. Excellent. TJ, I have a
question. Me and my wife are going through foreclosure problem and on your website I saw all these
documents for foreclosure and whatnot, but I can at this time I cannot afford the quit a quit deed. I'm, if I'm
right upon seeing it right. Quit claim deed. That's correct. And um, is there a way to stop foreclosure in the
court system with our, with our house?
Speaker 1
54:39
Well, think about some of the stuff we talked about tonight. First of all, do you know if your, your, your state,
are you in a judicial or non-judicial state?
Speaker 5
54:47
New New York state is judicial.
Speaker 1
54:50
Good. That's good news because that means we've got a court case going, right?
Speaker 5
54:56
Yeah.
Speaker 1
54:58
Well, why don’t you consider going into the next hearing and use that script we just did because that about
settling the charges.
Speaker 5
55:06
OK. I missed the last court date, um, because of where we hired when we hired a lawyer. This is a mistake on
my part because we're not. Because before I joined to you, I didn't know anything about this stuff that I'm
learning from you currently learning more and more. Um, but now that learned this, can I with what she did or
what miss, I can't remember her name now. Um, that you just talk. I can't remember her name. I apologize.
Now, is that a way to stop everything with the foreclosure?
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Well, it foreclosures are a little trickier because there's a, there's other things going on, this insurance contract
and all this, but really it's just a civil suit in a, in a judicial state. So don't look at it as anything more than that.
If you go in there and you settled the charges, there's a claim being made. Somebody brought a bond when
they brought the case forward that the, uh, the, the attorney for the plaintiff. Ask him the same question.
Speaker 5
56:11
OK, here's another silly question.
Speaker 1
Don’t go beyond that.
Speaker 5
Okay, the documents that you have had would those help out in any way currently before we go to the next
court hearing or whatever,
Speaker 1
56:27
Well, you heard me explaining that in this previous example, OK, now you're in an administrative position.
Why don't you take some of these questions and formulate it into a letter and you know to the court simply
asking, Hey, I need a determination on this. I need to see what, uh, if you ask that same question we just asked.
I mean, this is how simple this is. People are going to have a hard time with it because it's so simple.
Speaker 5
56:51
Send it to the court or to the lawyer?
Speaker 1
56:55
I would send it to the lawyer first and copy a copy to the court. Always copy the court. If you're
communicating with the, uh, the claimant, will the plaintiff certify my right of subrogation? Send it to the
judge on your case and send it to the, the, uh, plaintiff,
Speaker 5
57:13
OK. Sounds good.
Speaker 1
57:14
If they say no, OK, well then you're stealing. That's what you're doing.
Speaker 5
57:19
OK, got it. It just hit me. OK. I got it. We've said OK,
Speaker 1
57:25
Because the next offer, then go ahead, I authorize you to go ahead and set off the debt using your bond.
Speaker 5
57:33
OK.
Speaker 1
57:34
You got to bring the case and the bond. They didn't bring the bond? Oh, well, gee, then that means I'm going to
come after your personal, see dude, too.
Speaker 5
57:41
That's funny. Hey, purple or yellow? I hope it matches is my car. I have a question that's on your website. It's
called Court Appearance - Kill it Fast, right?
Speaker 1
57:56
If you go to the premium member page, then there's a section of download folders there near the top of the
page and then the one before this called the start here folder, because it's going to become a priority document

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everybody needs to get. It says Court Appearance- Kill it Fast, and that's the document with the latest script
and revisions that you can use to go and you literally I think you can convert this into a letter too, the same
essential set of questions.
Speaker 5
58:26
God bless you for your help man and your help was worth thousands of dollars. That's all I have to say. Hey, I
really appreciate it.
Speaker 1
58:34
Thank you. Thank you. Well, I'm just doing the best I can and you know we're all learning together.
Speaker 5
58:40
I really appreciate you. Thank you. Have a great. Now will be online listening as as you go along. Sounds
good. Thanks Omar.
Speaker 1
58:47
The next call is I'm a code [inaudible]. Hi TJ, it’s Dan Robinson. How you doing? Hey Dan. I'm a premium
number. I just can't log on for some reason. It's still sells a premium. I paid for everything, but I do have a
question in complete. Let me get hit you up with something. Draw common error people have. When they
upgrade the last page, it asks you a question says, are you a new member or are you an existing member and if
you try to create a new login, it won't let you. You supposed to do at that point you supposed to say, I'm an
existing member here and then tells you to log in at that point. That'll let you finish that. We'll finish the
enrollment process, but some people get tripped up on that step. If you're still stuck, I'll have a send a send that
information, your username and password to a support you are ally and she'll go and see if we can tell in the
back office if you haven't completed your setup or not. Then it should set it up for you. We'll let you know
once it's been cleared. We just have to do it manually. OK.
Speaker 5
59:52
Um, well I've had my situations and my wife has now having hers. Real quick with the judge. I was, I took a
prohibited left turn. Um, I wouldn't show them a license because I said I'm not engaged in commerce some,
you know, I'm not in the, I'm not a driver. I didn't have persons or property for profit. Um, I ended up going to
court seven times and after seven times there’s supposed to be a trial and he didn't like me from the get go
because when I first got in there, I said I'm a sovereign full equal power holder. I did not consent to these
proceedings. I'm here under duress and threat of arrest and possible injury. Uh, but at the end I told him, I
wrote to the secretary of state and looking for your signed oath of office and they told me you were appointed
as administrator but you have no signed oath of office. Therefore sir, you have no judicial authority to be up on
that bench. There is no case. And he immediately, um, he um, dropped all the criminal charges but I still had to
pay a $50 fine. So I had them on the ropes and I let them go. I want to get back up off the floor. But that's just
my story. My wife was, sometimes you got
Speaker 1
01:01:15
Fifty bucks because that's sort of like an offer of settlement to kind of make them happy and walk away. You
take something like that and just be done with it.
Speaker 5
01:01:25
Now I know a little more, but my wife has been in the situation. She, um, she bumped up onto a curb. She, you
know, she shouldn't have been driving. Um, she was leaving a friend's house and you know, she did have a
couple of drinks. She had occur up. Uh, she didn't take the breathalyzer she didn't take the blood test, she didn't
sign any papers. Um, so her, she’s scared to do what I do, but she has a voice that wants $7,500, OK, should I
write something up? I'll gladly call you tomorrow and set up an appointment where we can talk and I, you
know, obviously pay you, but I just, Yo, should I have something written up for her? You know, what the
point of fighting to ways.
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01:02:14
Um, I mean, yes, we can talk. I just want to give everybody a quick, quick, short answer to your question.
There's one of two ways to go, one of which is you can um, you can go ahead and have her come in with this
very brief little script that I give. Very simple and yes, she might have to wrestle with them and stay on point
and come back to it a couple times or because is it this is the criminal charge as far as this, this, this, she's
liquid. We're doing as far as the slam dunk process, which employees taking a public defender. But it's a good
strategy because, well, I won't explain, explain on the call how, how, what we do, but it's, it's a little bit slight
of hand, but we use the public defender in that case when we stay away from any of the other stuff when we're
doing that, generally speaking, but it has to do with using the sixth amendment and there's two provisions in
the sixth amendment that we can use that they will probably trip over.
Speaker 1
01:03:11
And then you can get the case dismissed for lack of a effective, effective counsel and speedy trial. That's the,
that's the cleanest way I know to do it for somebody that doesn't have any of the real skill yet, or willingness to
just go ahead and do these things and do it on their own. And there's a slight way to maybe combine the two,
but it gets messy. So you have to choose a free. You're going to go, especially on criminal and this will take
the heat off, but immediately go into a simple administrative process after you get the lawyer in place. Uh, and
it's sort of sort of sets the lawyer up to fail in a way. I mean, not that they shouldn't be able to do what you ask
of them, but we have reasonably should be able to do and they won't, they won't do it. Probably. Then you've
got grounds for dismissal.
Speaker 5
01:03:59
Ah, yeah. I really hate to give him $7,500 but my wife is terrified.
Speaker 1
01:04:06
Nope, you don't. You just ask for a public defender. So right now I can't afford that.
Speaker 5
01:04:13
OK. All right. Why don't I call you tomorrow? OK, that's fine. You're on the east coast. So just hit me after
9:00 AM. Do you have my number or I can email me and I can respond. Reply with OK. No, I don't have the
number but I don't know if you want to give it on here, but I won't give it over here because then it is going to
call me. I only get my phone out.
Speaker 1
01:04:38
Some are out to somebody. We have an agreement and an understanding for otherwise I had to get enough, no
offense to anybody, but I wouldn't be able to actually help anybody if I took all the calls so I have a way of
managing my time so I get the most done.
Speaker 5
01:04:54
I'll do the Proton mail tomorrow morning, after ten and out, and I'll give you all my info and we'll go from
there and have have a talk and you know, we'll do that. OK. All right. Great. Thank you very much. All right.
All right. This is great stuff. All right. Thank you. Appreciate
Speaker 1
01:05:18
OK, [inaudible] you’re next.
Speaker 5
01:05:24
Hey TJ. Larry, how are you? Good. How are you doing? In Carlin? Just outside of Dallas. Dallas. OK.
Carolyn. Oh yeah, yeah. You know, it's all broken up your voice like bubbling, so I couldn't quite make it out.
We do though. Go ahead. When you were talking with Tony, she was saying that the judge or somebody was
telling her she had to come back in December. I would love to hear how you would close that out.
Speaker 1
01:06:02

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OK. Um, yeah, I was listening to her and I was thinking that at the same time. Well I, first of all, I would've
come back to my, she didn't have the last line of this little script with her, um, but I would have said, well,
didn't I already inform you I do not consent to these proceedings and your offer is not accepted. And so I'm just
gonna let me remind you before we move forward, I do not consent to the surety for this case in these
proceedings. I believe I do have a right to subrogation that is being denied. I demand the bond be immediately
brought forward so I can see who will indemnify me if I'm damaged. Otherwise we have no reason to get back
together again.
Speaker 4
01:06:38
Yeah,
Speaker 1
01:06:40
She didn't really get to that point of saying, well, why? Why are we getting together? Didn’t we already
resolve this? If there's no claim today, there won't be one tomorrow?
Speaker 5
01:06:49
So you're closed.
Speaker 1
01:06:52
I just kind of put it in there and ask a question, get this all in the record and then go back to my, like I said, to
keep the discussion within these four points that she didn't have the point one which we just added. If she'd
started with this like Lorne, will the plaintiff certify my rights to subrogation? This hasn't, you know, that they
could go get off point and say, well I'm, let me ask you again. I've asked you will the plaintiff certify my right
of subrogation and I'd like that in writing please. And they go off and do something else. Well you honor, we
keep getting off point and I haven't had my question answered, will you know, and if so then I want them to go
ahead and settle the matter cause they can set off the case with those bonds.
Speaker 5
01:07:34
So when you close it by saying, um, would you ask the questions, make it clear to the court that the matter is
settled and there's no need to come back?
Speaker 1
01:07:43
Yeah. I said, what's the purpose of coming back if the matter is already resolved? And by the way, you cannot
deny me my right of subrogation. So I need to know who I can go to, to, uh, um, uh, demand some bonds so
that the funds, I can find out who will indemnify me if I'm damaged.
Speaker 5
01:07:58
I'm being damaged. Hi. I knew you have a close,
Speaker 1
01:08:03
Just like I said, it's the same script said a few different ways, but just keep the, keep your conversation within
this little circle of questions which you could, you know, put in front of you and practice it a couple times. Play
role play a couple of times, try to see something can get you off. But come right back to the same points. Well,
your honor, these are serious charges. You need to, you know, you could have hurt somebody, blah, blah, blah,
blah. You know, you haven't asked my question. Yeah. Will the plaintiffs certify my right of subrogation?
Remember I told you I so not consent to these proceedings. Your offer is not accepted. Obviously you want a
clear close so that if you don't show up back in December, they don't issue a warrant for your arrest. Right?
Well, that's why I told her in this case, since she's already kind of gotten out there, the next thing to do is
immediately go into the administrative process.
Speaker 1
01:08:48
I started out writing letters, say, I ask you, and these are the questions I have. I cannot attend your little, your
little party. I'm sorry I can't accept your invitation to your little tea party until these questions are answered. I'd

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like to have them answered. This you could pretty much take the same statements and put them in a, in a
letter. Subrogation. Let’s assume they ignore those or they are just playing games. Well, you know, which they
might do, but now you've created an administrative record. Hopefully you know, you sent this through
certified and got return receipts and you send them a notice of default. Use these. What you do after you send
the letter, they don't answer. You want to send them a default and say, hey, you know, you didn't answer, um,
you know, and then they actually technically is, or even a third step to an administrative process where you'd
kind of do a notice of default and then the notice of default and is repeating what you previously said, but just
simply calling it a notice of default and a notice of default.
Speaker 1
01:09:47
Once you've done that three times, you kick your heels together three times. Dorothy, OK? You've had your
chance. Hey, you're on our list. OK, well, I don't know why we're back here. I'm going to ask you the same
questions again. Will the plaintiff certify my right of subrogation? I remind you, I do not consent since
proceedings. So your offer is not accepted. I do not consent to be surely for this case and these proceedings. I
do believe I have a right to subrogation that is being denied. I demand the bond immediately be brought
forward so I can see who will indemnify me if I am damaged. Now if we're not going to get this matter
resolved today, it's clear that I need the motion to dismiss for failure to state a claim for which relief can be
granted because they don't have a claim. They are not. They haven't. They haven't successfully been able to
take your rights to your claim. They can't do it.
Speaker 1
01:10:35
You see it at court. If you noticed that about jurisdiction, forget about personam jursidiction. Let’s talk about
subject matter jurisdiction. You can't gain control of jurisdiction until you grant it and you frankly almost can't
grant it, you know, if that's what's interesting about this. We think we always said one little thing, we gave
them jurisdiction, now we didn't. It's void unless there's a real damaged party and all that stuff. All we're doing
is, but if we stay on this point, we're not getting into the game of arguing facts and evidence and all that stuff.
We're not there yet. We're not going to let it get there, and if there's nobody with a legitimate claim, damaged
party, sitting there who's going to be a firsthand witness, there's never a claim for which relief can be granted
for the other guy. It's lacking, but on the other hand, you have given them what they need to settle the account
by certifying the right of subrogation and offering them the debt. That instrument. Go ahead and settle the
charges. They don't have a choice.
Speaker 4
01:11:37
Right?
Speaker 1
01:11:38
Except to try to avoid it.
Speaker 3
01:11:41
All right, appreciate another great answer TJ.
Speaker 1
01:11:46
All right, thank you. Alright, next caller is three, three, three, three, six.
Speaker 3
01:11:56
Hi TJ, it’s readily?, but I'm not a member.
Speaker 1
01:12:02
Shame on you. You've gotten your questions in, so
Speaker 3
01:12:07
I was a premium member, but I can. I can upgrade on tomorrow.
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01:12:13
Go ahead and ask your question.
Speaker 3
01:12:15
OK, I'm a power of attorney for my grandson. Can I still use this because he's getting ready for judicial release,
and my first was trying to get an attorney to do that for him, but I think I can do this for him because I'm his
power of attorney.
Speaker 1
01:12:31
You have the power of attorney. I think you can. I mean, I don't know your rules in your state. Generally
speaking for the power of attorney is
Speaker 3
01:12:39
he's in Ohio.
Speaker 1
01:12:44
I don't know the ramifications, but I would just generally say if I had power of attorney to handle their specific
legal matters and it's proper. Um, then you can always step in and say, well, I am here. I have power of
attorney in this matter. Um, and here's what I'm going to do.
Speaker 3
01:13:04
All I've heard,
Speaker 1
01:13:10
I mean, that's the best I can do if he's not prepared. And that's what you can do.
Speaker 3
01:13:17
OK.
Speaker 1
01:13:19
Has he been a pretrial? Where's he at in the case?
Speaker 3
01:13:23
He's been to court and then they called it the way it was in the transcript and I got a copy of it that he did no
harm. The judge said he did no harm, but yet they locked him up and gave them a year. Um, mandatory time.
Slapped six more months. OK, let me ask you this. Was there a trial?
Speaker 1
01:13:47
Was there a witness at trial who made a claim of damages?
Speaker 3
01:13:51
No, there was not. OK. So, um, you have another appearance coming up? The attorney gets, he's, he's already
served, uh, more than the time he should have served. And uh, uh, yes, he's up for judicial release coming this
week and my daughter, but she's having to pay an attorney to get a motion for a court date, enter an order for a
court date. So I'm wondering if I can just go to Ohio and do this myself or, or they have it now on their website
with the new clerk of court where you can enter information yourself.
Speaker 1
01:14:39
Tricky cause I, you know, you're not typically an attorney and the time that appealed there, the way they're
playing this right now. What were you thinking about going in and doing? What I heard tonight, It’s a little
dicey but I would give it a try. One thing you can do that is not going to hurt anything but they can say you’re
no an attorney and say, that's right. I have a power of attorney though.
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01:15:06
It has a place on the website that says whether they're not attorney or you are not an attorney.
Speaker 1
01:15:12
There you go. Put that in there. You're only um, you know, I'm just here to help take care of this matter and
here's my question. Put it the third person for it, but see I'm am speaking for him as power of attorney and say
it and stay on script though. Stay in the room. I'm going to go off left field to, you know, stomp their feet and
scream and say, well you still haven't answered my question though. Get up on that surety thing that
subrogation, really focus in on that. I think that might be your best shot. You can talk to him, have him say it,
if you can talk to him and he can speak [inaudible]. Email him. He has an email. Yeah.
Speaker 3
01:16:01
And email him with the information and have him memorize it.
Speaker 1
01:16:04
Yeah. That's not even so much to say there to stay. Just trying to get, get you off subject, but just stay on point
that takes those bonds are still in play.
Speaker 3
01:16:20
Oh No. And I appreciate you so much.
Speaker 1
01:16:23
I pray that will work well for you. It just, you know, just read it, get imbibed, understood to the degree that you
really understand what you're saying. And then if you can coach him a little bit, that's fine. Um, and they, you
know, give it a go and if you have to do it for him. OK. But I'd rather, if he can say the words himself,
Speaker 3
01:16:40
Do I still need to get this information the attorney? She goes ahead and get for him?.
Speaker 1
01:16:46
I'm afraid that if you show this to the attorney they are going to get real freaked out. Huh?
Speaker 3
01:16:51
Yeah, cause I, I talked to him on the [inaudible] information that had already been filed. Everything's a file you
just take to settle this house. What do you, what do you know about settling the account?
Speaker 1
01:17:02
Why don't you answer the question saying, don't you know, aren't you the attorney? When somebody asks you
a question like that, it's a test. It's an offer. Don't, don't take the bait. Say, well, it doesn't matter what does
matter. What I know, what matters is what you know and you know what's going on and I want this matter
settled, now. She, he's one of the bonding parties. Those, that's why they want to get an attorney on him. He's
one of the bonding parties. He's party to it. He doesn't want you to know about it. It's a gravy train for all of
them.
Speaker 1
01:17:37
There you go. Shell game. Next caller is a seven to zero. Hi, you up there. OK, good. Yes, my name is Frank.
Um, I did a complete administrative process on my, on four loans and um, uh, and I've not gotten any
favorable response, of course, and they didn't refute anything on my affidavit. And I'm now I'm at a point that I
have a, all my paperwork's perfected. And, and now I have to, uh, I want to do a pleading to the court to, for a
response, and so I, I don't know, I don't know how to file that. This is under an international claim. Um, so I
don't know who to, who to go to to help me with how to file a proper court case on that. Kind of gets a little bit
out of what we're talking about. But what you're, what you're needing to do is you're, you're, you're, you're
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Speaker 1
01:19:05
Yes. So we do a mandatory judicial notice. You're telling the court I'm requiring you to take notice of this
claim and settle all accounts. So you might look in the direction of a mandatory judicial notice and find out
what you can as far as examples of that. That's kind of an unusual thing to use. But you could simply come in,
um, in a, you could probably put it in the existing court, which they will probably ignore because obviously it
embarrasses them. Somebody just took the authority over him and you know, and motion to dismiss for failure
to state a claim for which relief can be granted because isn't that what you want ordered? Yes. There is no
claim if it administratively they defaulted. You see, that's why they can't bring further claims into the matter
because they've already settled it. Now, if you show up, you could say, hey, we already got this, but then you
go right into right into the whole mantra we just talked about tonight. OK, so I, um, I just don't know how to
work on I, you know, it's unique, but, um, that's how you stand on what you've done. You put a mandatory
judicial notice in, that the claim is invalid. They've already settled with administratively, and here's my
documentation proving it. And then a motion to dismiss for failure to state a claim for which relief can be
granted on each case.
Speaker 1
01:20:33
Excuse me. There will be a logical reasoned way to approach what you've got in place. Sure. Got to go to court
and say, hey, you already got my motion to dismiss and let's just go and further state, I'm asking this question
about the, the, the subrogation. Throw that in there. That'll, that'll really spin them up. Oh yeah, yeah. I'm just
wondering. I don't know how this will work, but in Lorne’s case, even though it involved bankruptcy court, it
wasn't a bankruptcy proceeding, it was a claimed bankruptcy. He was, you know, uh, bankruptcy fraud, right?
Because he was helping people deal with bankruptcy. I'm wondering if you walked into a bankruptcy court
with that kind of a statement, what would happen? Because again, you're at what does bankruptcy do, they to
settle, for example, is there to settle claims. Well if you put up a bond. You say, here you go, here's the bond,
settle the claims.
Speaker 1
01:21:22
Well, that's all you did with that other previous thing. So in your case, they're making financial claims that you
owe them money and you're saying, Hey, I'm putting up a bond. Go ahead and settle the accounts,
administratively. Oh, and by the way, over here we have this other thing. I mean, you've got more than you
probably need. Think about it. Yeah, we've got quite a claim against them. Yeah. Well, you know, that's. And
if you're going to bring that claim forward again, you want, what you were looking for. So it's like this, when
you, um, and I'm trying to think of it as a reciprocal claim rule might want to look this up in the courts, but
essentially a foreign judgment. This is the word, foreign judgment, um, can be seen which yours is a foreign
judgments, foreign to that jurisdiction. That's all that means. It doesn't mean out of the country and you're
asking for judicial notice of the, that claim. You see, once, uh, and the, the courts have reciprocal procedures
that we've studied this in a while.
Speaker 1
01:22:25
So I'm a little rusty, but you look up your reciprocity, that word, in courts and there's a procedure for bringing
a reciprocal case from another jurisdiction in. And that court will probably have a procedure you can go look
up. That might be the way also to bring it in, but bring it in and say, I want it mandatory judicial notice of
reciprocity that this claim is already settled. Uh, if they kind of blow past that, then come into court with this
procedure we just talked about. And say, hey, you know the pro plaintiff, uh, you know, I want to know if he's
gonna give me my right of subrogation. When you show up, you bring, you seize the bonds that you can't do it
until you show up. Can I see the bond right then? That’s what we're talking about is you're doing it right there
because they, when they bring it in, they're standing on that bond. You're saying, hey, that's mine. That's what
the subrogation means. It says, Hey, I'm reassigning the, the interest in that over to settle this account. I'm not
gonna let you steal it from me.
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So that's the bond in my name then. Yeah, of course it is. You name is on that case number that gets sold on
Wall Street. It’s your name. Yeah, all right. OK. They're setting this stuff up. Then they go and sell it and
make money off it because you know, and they'll make pure profit because you never made a claim to it. Oh, I
thought when you said Bond, I thought you meant the judges bond. No. The plaintiff, the prosecutor and the
plaintiff bring their bond court. They brought the charge; you need to give them the discharge. Yeah. OK.
Yeah. Settle the account. Everything's an account. Yeah. All right. Thank you. Got the idea? You review that
document a couple of times and I think it will sink in and just kind of tweak it for your situation. OK, thank
you. A next color is area code six seven eight.
Speaker 6
01:24:29
Hey TJ. Hey, this is Sonny. Hey Sonny. I'm in a, I'm a traffic case was three misdemeanors and I, I've got a
corrupt judge. Surprise, surprise.
Speaker 1
01:24:47
That's kind of an oxymoron in today. I am not finding that many that aren't.
Speaker 6
01:24:55
And um, he really has it out for me because I have a filed a judicial conduct complaint and a motion to recuse
and uh demonstrated on paper how he has lied in court. And um, so he's, he's railroaded me pretty good where
he won't take judicial notice of any of the, uh, amendments in the constitution. Uh won't, won't allow me to get
sixth amendment counsel, won't hear my motions. He, he said before he read the motions, he said he was just
gonna he was not going to grant any of my motions. Um, and uh, I tried, this was just before trial last week.
Um, I got your email on the, uh, uh, four points to, uh, uh, to say, which I know it was later in my, uh, later in
my game, but I, I did it anyway. I put it in a form of objection in a written objection, uh, that I filed into the
court prior to that, uh, first day. And I was, one of the first things I said was that I object to these proceeding
that I object to being, you know, the, a surety, um, for this matter and just write, write down the align and, and
he just denied everything. He just said, I'm just denying everything and you're going to trial. And I was, I was
sort of taken aback because, well, I mean, he's just done this the whole way and I'm not sure why. What do.
Speaker 1
01:26:44
Not uncommon. Well, I would stick with, first of all, don't go shooting off a bunch of different directions.
Stick to the thing, you know, I mean you just kind of have to stick to the script and you know, with, what
Tamuri did differently. That's in addition to this because she did file an actual criminal complaint, the attorney
general and so forth. Have you done that?
Speaker 6
01:27:04
I have not done that yet.
Speaker 1
01:27:05
Well you have to file an affidavit, the affidavit of denial of due process and constitutional rights. And here's
what basically happened, don't you, when you're writing an affidavit and you keep it very simple, you don't
have to be that specific, you say on this date and time, uh, I was told specifically on the record that I was being
denied due process and constitutional rights, Yada, Yada, Yada. And uh, and when a judge steps out of his
oath of office, violates that constitution, he loses his immunity and now he's subject to personal criminal
prosecution. And then you, once you get that affidavit done, you can then put basically a criminal complaint
type of style document together and go to his bosses, which is the attorney general in the state, probably and
the Supreme Court of the state and say for judicial misconduct and really this deprivation of rights, um, and
you could take that to the federal court. It's a matter of fact. So, um, you've got a couple of steps you can go
there if the guy continues to want to do this, but I come in with the subrogation thing and hit them with that.
Get it on the record at least. By the way, is all this in the record, do you have a record of everything?
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Well, I had the objections on the record. This was, uh, like I said one week ago today. And um, and so he just
railroaded me through that trial. The I was convicted and sentenced.
Speaker 1
01:28:40
Oh that was the trial? I thought you said you were still having trial upcoming.
Speaker 6
01:28:44
that, that, that was, that was actually the, the trial. Um, he, uh, I was really expecting to have my motion's
heard and I was really expecting to have the case dismissed because he, there was no jurisdiction had been
challenged and
Speaker 1
01:29:02
it had never been put on the record. Never a witness, never damaged party come forth as a witness. So the only
thing that was there, if you look at Transit versus Paglia OK, statement by council are not admissible for final
judgement. So that happened, didn't it? You mean the testimony of council? Yeah, because that's all there ever
was, right? Well, pretty much, I mean, uh, the, the, uh, the officer, I mean he testified, but it was, it wasn't
based in law because it's. Well, does he, did he have noticed that the, the, the, the stature and the, the codes
apply to you.
Speaker 1
01:29:48
He testified to that, um, that, that's what he testified to, but I'm sure he didn't say I declare that the statutes
legally applied to him and I made that determination and therefore I pulled him over. He didn't. Yeah, he, he
didn't state anything like that. So in other words, there was no, there was never a sufficient witness testifying
to, to prove jurisdiction. Jurisdiction was never proven on the record. There's no jurisdiction. The court cannot
have jurisdiction to proceed. Failure to state a claim for which relief can be granted. They cannot state a claim
for which relief can be granted if there isn’t a proper witness and the witness has to have first-hand knowledge
and whatever issues you raised, um, he might have seen you go fast. Did he have firsthand knowledge that it
applied to you.
Speaker 1
01:30:47
I don't know if somebody carries the license plates or what, what I did, I didn't have a license in place, but I
told him that I wasn't using the license and that, um, I, I, I was willing to, to let him see it, but it was just under,
it was under the understanding that I was not engaged in commerce or for higher activities. Did you get that
recorded or documented? Oh yeah, it was all on the video. OK, well those are all. If you brought them up and
you made objections and things like that, that's an appealable issue. It's also a void judgment issue. I'd suggest
you need to do at this point because you're pretty far down the road if you've got another appearance for
another case, use this procedure, but I'd get a letter in to the court. They will find me on these I need additional
determination and ask the question about the subrogation just as we stated it.
Speaker 4
01:31:39
Yeah,
Speaker 1
01:31:42
And get it in the record. Then if they don't do something with it, you can go to a, a sort of studying up on the
void judgment information because what you have is a void judgment, right? You have to ask you have to
make the right point in that little course we put up does a pretty good job of explaining it.
Speaker 4
01:32:01
OK.
Speaker 6
01:32:03
Right. But because if I understand correctly, because they never put on the record the evidence of jurisdiction.
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01:32:13
Right. They never proved jurisdiction on the record. That's the only thing you've got to come to the conclusion
of they never have it. Technically speaking, even if you think you've got a contract, unless there's a damage to
the contract that they had and there's obviously there's no way to damage the driver's license contract. Kind of
hard to do.
Speaker 6
01:32:34
Yeah. The, the, the funny thing about it is that I subpoenaed the officer with Deuces Tecum to bring the
evidence to prove jurisdiction and twice he failed to bring it and the judge actually said in court that the
evidence does not exist.
Speaker 1
01:32:53
Beautiful. That's all. That's all appealable now. Yeah. That guy's court. You gotta stop looking for remedy
there. Get above gift. Go to the Superior Court of the state and file your claim there, uh, or your void judgment
action is what you'll do. File it there.
Speaker 4
01:33:10
Yeah.
Speaker 6
01:33:13
Now a void judgment action would that be part of the appeal or is that separate?
Speaker 1
01:33:18
It’s not appeal? It's a, it's a separate action. That's the nice thing about it is you're taking it out of that
jurisdiction to a higher jurisdiction and you're basically the, it's all based upon lack of jurisdiction, but
examples of it in the little downloadable workbook and the, uh, all the videos we put up in the workbook itself,
you read through it down and there some good actions on that based upon what was not presented. To tweak it
a little bit for your situation, you have a pdf you can kind of copy and paste over to a word file and file it, you
know, you write an affidavit and that's always a good idea though. So you can start with that as your
complaint. And then, um, um, then go file the void judgment action in the Superior Court of the state.
Speaker 6
01:34:05
You know the Barney Fife court. I was just in Superior Court,
Speaker 1
01:34:10
Superior Court in the county. I said, your state, your state superior court’s a higher level court. And for a void
judgment action, you're asking the higher court to make a determination.
Speaker 4
01:34:22
OK,
Speaker 6
01:34:23
I'm not familiar with where that court would be. The only has the next highest court out that I would think
would be the appellate court
Speaker 1
01:34:30
Well look through your state and look through the stat how, break up the courts. They will break it down. You
know, you're looking for a higher court than the county superior court. I, you know, I don't know in your state
how it's organized, but there's definitely an organizational chart somewhere. You get to that higher court.
They’re below the Supreme Court.
Speaker 6
01:34:51
The appellate court is the, is the next step above superior at least in Georgia. You got magistrate court

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Speaker 1
01:34:58
and the Superior Court and the appellate court, the supreme court. Well maybe the appellate court. But you're
pretty, you see an appellate court you have to be appealing an existing case. So, you know, you just have to get
into a, bottom line is you get your court into whatever it is, make sure it's a separate court than and separate
judge and a void judgment takes it to a separate judge. Uh, you don't want to hurt by the same judge.
Obviously he's not going to judge himself, right? That's correct it, you try it there. If it doesn't work in your
county, in the Superior Court and then take it up to the supreme court, but bottom line is you got to file a suit
somewhere and if it's a deprivation of rights so you could take to the federal court. Do you think that judgment
action would suspend the, uh, the appellate process that because I had to get a bond because this, this guy, I
mean he was, I mean. You actually got to get out of this guy's case hands though for sure. And then the, if you
want us to suspend whatever actions are still or whatever judgments that void judgment is to kill it from the
very beginning. In other words, it will be as if it never existed if you do it right. Maybe I would need like a
interlocutory motion or something when I file that void judgment action. Here’s something to say lis pendens
or something to say interlocutory action, whatever it is, you find, is the best way to communicate to the other
courses that the other action’s underway. Yeah. You do want to notice them so it puts a freeze on it. Right?
Right, right. That's a new case.
Speaker 4
01:36:41
Yeah.
Speaker 1
01:36:43
You just go through the tapes. It's about five hours of video and a really good workbook material. It's not
something I created. It’s all materialize I pulled out, put up, it's out there, but I put it together in a way so it
works for the nice level course and um, cause it's, I'm not going to reinvent the wheel. It’s good material. OK,
and what, what's it called? Void Judgment. And there's a premium member page and the top section there are
various things. We have folders and so forth. Below, it talks about void judgment. Click on that. It'll take you
to a separate page with all the information.
Speaker 3
01:37:19
OK, great. Awesome.
Speaker 1
01:37:21
All right. You Bet Cary Cook [inaudible] you're next.
Speaker 3
01:37:29
Yes. My name is Lonny and I've got a court of Appeals in Texas. But uh, from what I read on your email
today, the void judgment situation because I never got an examining trial on an arrest. And the judge denied
my original plea of the jurisdiction without even reading it and proceeded with an arrangement which I
objected vehemently and the prosecutor falsified the video dash cam in three different instances.
Speaker 1
01:38:19
Yeah,
Speaker 3
01:38:21
They presented it trial put up charges that I was not ever officially charged with, with a witness, with two
witnesses, but one of the sheriff's deputies said that I was not under arrest when they forced me to give them
my ID. So now I've got a judgment.
Speaker 4
01:38:47
Ah,
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a jury judgment, which there never should have been a jury trial because they never acquired jurisdiction
because of the denial of the examining trial.
Speaker 1
01:38:57
Well that among other things probably. Even the witnesses were probably never actually examined to prove
they had jurisdiction or probable cause that the crime. So those might be jurisdictional issues.
Speaker 3
01:39:10
The Dash Cam video of officer number one had some corruption on it, but the second officer was there and his
camera gave good audio. But the alleged victim in this stated repeatedly to both the officers at the point of
arrest that he,
Speaker 4
01:39:38
uh,
Speaker 3
01:39:39
he didn't hit me, he didn't hit me, he didn't hit me. So the whole thing should have ended right then and there.
So when they asked me… Did they accuse you of hitting somebody, is that what you are saying?
Speaker 1
01:39:59
Accusation by twisting my finger when I grabbed him. Like OK, yeah, they shoved you around and you
happened to bump into one of them. Oh, he hit me. Yeah, I know. But see, it's all fruit of a poisoned trees. He
gotta get back to the beginning. When you talk about jurisdiction, it's all about what happened after the
beginning to give him his poison. After that, it's all fruit of the poison tree in a. Why is it they didn't have it in
the beginning. Then did this whole thing needs to go away. They never had a claim in the beginning. So that's
the focus.
Speaker 3
01:40:32
Well, what they had in Texas was a magistration for determination of probable cause? Magistration is not
known in the Texas law.
Speaker 4
01:40:47
Yeah,
Speaker 1
01:40:47
No, that doesn't sound like they gain Jurisdiction with that.
Speaker 3
01:40:51
They didn’t.
Speaker 2
01:40:54
I’ve got two criminal complaints on the two sheriff's deputies that arrested me and I've got three criminal
complaints on the clerks in the county clerk's office for denial of due process and denial of records and they
were some with the district attorney and they were supposed to go before a grand jury, but nothing has ever
been reported to me.
Speaker 4
01:41:25
Yeah.
Speaker 3
01:41:33
I'm thinking with this appeal on my second court appointed attorney. The first one wasn't worth a plug Nickel.
He just brought something up. Got a court appointed attorney, right? Yes, I do.
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01:41:53
How long has it been since you had your arraignment on this?
Speaker 3
01:41:57
Your arraignment, when you were arraigned on this charges, how long has it been since then? It's been over a
year. All right. Do you understand what happens after 70 days? Right. OK, so it sounds to me like you've had
ineffective counsel and yet given the speedy trial right before trial, they've already heard the trial, but now that
trial is now the judgment has been appealed on that.
Speaker 1
01:42:28
OK, so I would throw in there in terms of speedy trial declaration as well.
Speaker 4
01:42:32
Yeah.
Speaker 1
01:42:37
You were denied the adequate assistance of counsel and speedy trial. Now there's a way to set this up. If you're
still in pre trial, that works where you can really document it and set it up, but you still might get a judgment
but void judgement can be done for lack of speedy trial and lack of effective counsel too.
Speaker 3
01:42:53
Well lack of jurisdiction because they have failed to abide by a article a well that equates to lack of
jurisdiction. Yes. No claim upon which relief can be granted, which is lack of jurisdiction, right? Found. I've
been a legal researcher for about 25, 30 years and I've got reference to a Texas county court case called ex
Parte Garcia and that case.
Speaker 1
01:43:36
See here,
Speaker 1
01:43:49
I hate to say this. I'm 20 minutes over. So, um, what were we going with this? Where you want to do? Sorry,
I'm, we're running about 20 minutes over on the call. So what's your, uh, what is your final question? Final
question is, would it be best to do the void judgement and get this out of the appeals court? Oh, well it depends
on where you're at in the appeal, but I personally think you've got to void judgement. Yes, I do. Review that
material I got and then you decide which was the best way to go cause based upon where you know anybody.
So, uh, you know, but once you know that, that option over there and the reasons you can pull up into those
options to make that suit, the new suit creates a whole new case. You’re no longer under their jurisdiction of
the case or the presumed jurisdiction, it might be a way to go. So review it through to think. OK. Will do you
bet. Area code a [inaudible] and this will be my last caller only because I'm running over it. OK, are you there?
Speaker 3
01:45:03
He's hearing me. OK, now you must be muted. OK, thank you. I'm, I'm, I'm, headset, can you hear me now?
Yes, I hear you fine. Thank you very much for taking my call. I'm new to all of this and I'm in a little bit of an
emergency. Um, I think, and um, what has happened is I'm calling about a foreclosure lawsuit and um, my
house was on. Oh gosh, I'm going to try to keep it simple
Speaker 1
01:45:48
to see somebody who is. And is it because you're late on payments that you're in foreclosure?
Speaker 3
01:45:55
Well, I'm in Hawaii, so I, um, I don't know is that, I don't know if
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It’s judicial or non-judicial. Usually people know if you're in foreclosure, you've been sued by the bank as
opposed to just giving notices that were coming to take your house, which kind of notice that you're getting.
Speaker 3
01:46:25
They are trying to, if a court case. OK, good. Yeah. I'm going to cut right to your question. Have you appeared
at the court. Well, it's been. I, I'll try to tell you. OK. It's been going back and forth for awhile and I had a
gentleman me who on was much fairer than the attorneys that I've talked to you and he's having some health
issues right now, so I don't know how to get ahold of him. But our last, the last situation that we were in was
that, um, we asked. The bank came up, they, um, they fraudulently created the promissory note.
Speaker 1
01:47:25
They never show up with the party, the firsthand party with knowledge and therefore they've never really
gained jurisdiction to establish that the cord itself, because there's never been a party. We're firsthand
knowledge as to the contract who can testify the being damaged. That's the case with every foreclosure. So.
Speaker 3
01:47:46
Well, the judge who's now retired last year said that he told them it was fake and so he basically, um, but now
they've come back. I guess it was without, it was without prejudice, I'm not. So yeah. And so my, um, the
gentleman that was helping me said that, well, they, they could fight back on it. And so what's happened, I
hadn't really heard anything from them for a year. And then now they've delivered these foreclosure papers a
law suit. And um, uh, I, I, I, I'm not so you know what to do
Speaker 1
01:48:30
because the next scheduled hearing for the, uh, that claim that they sent you? They didn’t send a hearing very
early in their foreclosure proceeding. Sounds like. Well, I think I have it,
Speaker 3
01:48:45
uh, you know, 20 days to respond.
Speaker 1
01:48:52
I'm doing a call when I was describing this, I'm procedure that we're, we're beginning to implement what… I
meant to be, but I had to pick up my kids and I couldn't tell you why. I'm going to give you this. I'm going to,
I'm going to have you listen to the recording and then sub conversation now because I don't want to redo what
we did for the first half hour. No offense for everybody's sake wants to move on. You need to listen to. There's
a download in the premium members area that I talked about in the recording. It's in the start folder. If you're a
premium member, you'll know where this is and you just go into our back office and click on a premium
member page and then there's various folders of subjects. One of them talks about the, you know, start here
folder that has like the most important stuff first and then there's one called Court Appearance - Kill it Fast.
Download that document and then re listen to this call and then get on the next call and ask your questions.
After you've done that, write a letter in response to those things that say, hey, quick question to the court and to
the attorney each and say, will, the plaintiffs in this case the bank certify my right of subrogation and just see
what happens. That's a killer question. Once you understand why we asked that question
Speaker 3
01:50:15
and I, it’s been my intention to do all that. Um, the, um, the gentleman and I'll, I'll let you go, but I just want
what you're suggesting is on one thing. Um, the gentleman that was helping me, I thought he was gonna do
whatever you, I would probably be learning what to do, but um, he's gotten sick and I have about five days to
respond now on my own without really knowing. There's someone in New York,
Speaker 1
01:50:44
I just gave you a very simple thing to do. Get this download and write ‘em a simple letter as a response before
I can proceed in court. This, this is written as if you're in court. You could write this in a letter to say before we

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can proceed, I received this summons, before we proceed, I need to know if they certify my right to
subrogation. I require a response in writing. It's kind of what it says in this little script.
Speaker 3
01:51:07
Just send it to the attorneys and to the court.
Speaker 1
01:51:13
If there's a court case open yet, there may not be.
Speaker 3
01:51:18
And he gave this morning. I want to interject real quick about Hawaii. Hawaii like Michigan, they can be, they
can be a non-judicial or judicial depending on how they filed the case that happened twice. Go down and
getting close to going that way. I'm glad I love it when they create a case that's a good to take your house and I
really appreciate your input and I'm going to do all that and have just one last question is, are you all. And I
literally just, you know, started my membership knowing that my friend had gotten sick. So is anyone in your
team available for like a one hour consult for this kind of walk me through? I do. I do consult upon request
instructions are on the premium member page on how to do that
Speaker 1
01:52:16
and the procedure of a donation is there and everything that's in addition to your membership. Because I can't
do. If everybody wanted to be a member, a consult, I couldn't do it. So in the meantime I would require before
I do your consult to review this material and heard the recording because it'll save me a lot of time explaining
because I've already explained it.
Speaker 3
01:52:42
All right. I, I respect that. Thank you very much, [inaudible]. It's
Speaker 1
01:52:46
just, I think we nailed it tonight, so I want you to hear the recording. All right, I'll do that. Will that be
available as soon as you're done here? Will be available within a couple hours. I'll listen to it tonight then.
You're welcome. That's it for tonight's call. Um, we're going to go ahead and cut off this session. Great
meeting. This will be put up the recording and the audio is [inaudible]. I'll probably put this as a streaming
audio because I think this is really meaty material and uh, you'd be sure you tell friends about our membership
and premium membership and how to get in there and hear this stuff. So until next time.

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