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On Friday, Jan. 19, 2018, immigration agents boarded a Greyhound bus heading to
downtown Miami from Orlando and demanded that all passengers provide proof of
residence or citizenship. One grandmother, traveling by bus to meet her
granddaughter for the first time, was arrested and taken off the bus when she
couldn�t provide proof of residency.
A year ago, passengers arriving in New York�s JFK Airport on a domestic flight from
San Francisco were ordered to show their �documents� to border patrol agents in
order to get off the plane.
With the government empowered to carry out transportation checks to question people
about their immigration status within a 100-mile border zone that wraps around the
country, you�re going to see a rise in these �show your papers� incidents.
Despite this, the U.S. government has recently introduced measures allowing police
and other law enforcement officials to stop individuals (citizens and noncitizens
alike), demand they identify themselves, and subject them to patdowns, warrantless
searches, and interrogations.
Set aside the debate over illegal immigration for a moment and think long and hard
about what it means when government agents start demanding that people show their
papers on penalty of arrest.
The problem with allowing government agents to demand identification from anyone
they suspect might be an illegal immigrant�the current scheme being employed by the
Trump administration to ferret out and cleanse the country of illegal immigrants�is
that it lays the groundwork for a society in which you are required to identify
yourself to any government worker who demands it.
Such tactics quickly lead one down a slippery slope that ends with government
agents empowered to subject anyone�citizen and noncitizen alike�to increasingly
intrusive demands that they prove not only that they are legally in the country,
but also that they are in compliance with every statute and regulation on the
books.
This flies in the face of the provisions of the Fourth Amendment, which protects
the American people from undue government interference with their movement and from
baseless interrogation about their identities or activities. The Rutherford
Institute has issued a Constitutional Q&A on �The Legality of Stop and ID
Procedures� that provides some guidance on one�s rights if stopped and asked by
police to show identification.
Unfortunately, even with legal protections on the books, it�s becoming increasingly
difficult for the average American to avoid falling in line with a national
identification system.
Passed by Congress in 2005 and scheduled to take effect nationwide by October 2020,
the Real ID Act, which imposes federal standards on identity documents such as
state drivers� licenses, is the prelude to this national identification system.
Fast forward to the Trump administration�s war on illegal immigration, and you have
the perfect storm necessary for the adoption of a national ID card, the ultimate
human tracking device, which would make the police state�s task of monitoring,
tracking and singling out individual suspects�citizen and noncitizen alike�far
simpler.
Americans have always resisted adopting a national ID card for good reason: it
gives the government and its agents the ultimate power to target, track and
terrorize the populace according to the government�s own nefarious purposes.
You see, it�s a short hop, skip and a jump from allowing government agents to stop
and demand identification from someone suspected of being an illegal immigrant to
empowering government agents to subject anyone�citizen and noncitizen alike�to
increasingly intrusive demands that they prove not only that they are legally in
the country, but that they are also lawful, in compliance with every statute and
regulation on the books, and not suspected of having committed some crime or other.
You may be innocent of wrongdoing now, but when the standard for innocence is set
by the government, no one is safe. Everyone is a suspect. And anyone can be a
criminal when it�s the government determining what is a crime.
At some point, it will not matter whether your skin is black or yellow or brown or
white. It will not matter whether you�re an immigrant or a citizen. It will not
matter whether you�re rich or poor. It won�t even matter whether you�re driving,
flying or walking.
Eventually, when the police state has turned that final screw and slammed that
final door, all that will matter is whether some government agent�poorly trained,
utterly ignorant of the Constitution, way too hyped up on the power of their
badges, and authorized to detain, search, interrogate, threaten and generally
harass anyone they see fit�chooses to single you out for special treatment.
We�ve been having this same debate about the perils of government overreach for the
past 50-plus years, and still we don�t seem to learn, or if we learn, we learn too
late.
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BarkingCat Jan 24, 2018 11:20 PM Permalink
Just wait until they institute address registration like in the old Soviet system.
What happened in the Soviet Union and it's satellites was a requirement for all the
citizens to register with the government and declare their address. They also had a
mandatory national id.
Hell, some nations called it a domestic passport. ..better not get caught out of
the house without it.
No such thing as just moving somewhere and not notifying the government....not
legally anyway.
Enjoy it. It is coming in a decade or two. These statists never stop until you are
under complete control.
All those corny 1980's movies about authoritarian future? It was not entertainment
but a preview.
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BeerMe Jan 24, 2018 11:08 PM Permalink
We are also not supposed to be living in a society where immigration law is ignored
and states defy Federal laws.
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YourAverageJoe Jan 24, 2018 10:18 PM Permalink
Tannerite
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Catahoula Jan 24, 2018 10:16 PM Permalink
Its called rounding up illegals and protecting Americans. Especially the ones who
pay taxes. Build the wall and deport all illegals!
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Slippery Slope Catahoula Jan 24, 2018 10:22 PM Permalink
Papers pleezeee
Ridiculous, everything is getting better and better! Just keep going out and buying
things!
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nuerocaster Jan 24, 2018 10:09 PM Permalink
It's simple really. I take my low rider to the CA side, disguise myself as an
illegal with quick tan and some mascara for eyebrows and around soccer cap. When I
go back to AZ, I switch back to my Indian car parked at the reservation.
Stopped? Never.
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NumbersUsa Jan 24, 2018 10:07 PM Permalink
Welcome to jewmerica where the holocaust (holohoax) denier is jailed and the jew
supremacist reign as your Kings & Dictators.
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Jewboy NumbersUsa Jan 24, 2018 10:32 PM Permalink
So easy for some troll moron to blame Jews for every problem in the world.
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most other modern countries have an ID system. there is nothing crazy about being
able to identify yourself to a LEO
Fuck you faggot. If i asked for your papers would you show them to me? If i told
you you need my permission to do anything would you obey me? If you want to be
branded like an animal that's your choice.
Want to know what family and friends call family and friends who actually take an
interest in the country or economy? They call them miserable unpleasant people. I'm
just going to be laughing my assoff as America becomes a living totalitarian hell.
Every American I know deserves it.
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Mr Hankey MusicIsYou Jan 24, 2018 10:29 PM Permalink
Just like the U K . It will be called "resisting cultural enrichment" any attempt
to confront or defend yourself or your tight ,little pubescent dotter will result
in police assrape ,torture & prison.Ha Ha bitches!!! Then the pigs will pull a
train on her after Paco's done.
Muh guns
Muh flag
Muh freedumbs!
But.. but... The second amendment? Surely all the US patriot gun experts I've
interacted with on the internet over the years weren't just lying to me about how
they'd resist tyranny with their semi automatic rifles?
Watching their kids shit getting pushed in & then saying, " thank you,my Brave and
Heroic Safety Friends " Say thank you little billy" No, no daddy,dont let them
touch me no more"Now, little billy, if you have nothing to hide,you have nothing to
worry about "!
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Zero Point TheBigCluB Jan 24, 2018 10:03 PM Permalink
you go first
Accidentally posted to the wrong comment. I have no fucking clue wtf you are on
about.
Oh well. Americans don't have any interest in anything except loving themselves
feeling good, so they are gonna get what they get.
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IH8OBAMA Jan 24, 2018 9:54 PM Permalink
If the Dims hadn't opened the borders so anyone can walk across and stay here,
maybe such drastic action wouldn't be required to get rid of them.
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SixIsNinE IH8OBAMA Jan 24, 2018 9:57 PM Permalink
The US and Israhell have imposed much, much worse on the Palestinians: Disturbing
Images. Can someone say Karma?
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NumbersUsa stizazz Jan 24, 2018 10:09 PM Permalink
come on Stizzy, you know the Pallys can burrow & dig tunnels all over the place.
who's fault is it that their fave movie is Caddyshack - but their fave star is the
gopher?
jj/k
why don't you complain to the ArAb neighbors to do anything about it?
why?
how come Dubai & UAE & Syria & Lebanon & Jordan & Saudi & Iran & Egypt have NOTHING
to say about the Pallys?
those fuckers deserve it. how many times have these sand niggers been given the
opportunity to leave? how much white phosphorus do we have to drop on them in order
for them to "get the message" ?
The only reason any group "cares" about another is for political expediency. The ME
could have moderated the Palestinian issues many decades ago but instead they have
refused to accept their refugees as immigrants, instead choose g to use it as a
motivation for further radicalization.
i have family on both sides of the border, canada & amerika, so christmas rather
than drive (supposedly to make things easier) i flew---huge mistake, 4 white,
european types, all educated middle class types, aged 20 thru 70, were marked
4XXXX. we were taken aside, stripped, searched & made to feel our lowly slaved
personhood: 2 aged 20 something thru 30, had children, one with a nursing infant,
the other, a cancer researcher dealing with childhood cancers, had 2 hysterical
kinder types, the other 2 of us old, old grandparents, grandkinder running equally
wild. we were subjected to 2or 3 dna searches depending on sex: oral, rectrum, &
uterus, all included hand swipes. this was to keep murica safe & her diminished
middle class humbled. wish i had an isis Go Now Friend passport. not one gay,
person of color, jewish, nor of questionable citizenship was questioned. all is
well in the republic.
In reply to No but I can say bullshit. by DeathMerchant
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overbet Jan 24, 2018 9:48 PM Permalink
Grandma has been alive long enough to know to carry ID. Really, who the fuck doesnt
carry ID when they leave their house? Who the fuck especially doesnt carry ID when
they go on a trip?
We are also supposed to have rules and laws that are followed and not be under
invasion. If you have a problem you do the inconvenient until you work it out.
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SixIsNinE overbet Jan 24, 2018 10:07 PM Permalink
oh yeah? sign said anybody caught trespassin would be shot on sight.... sign
says...
https://youtu.be/oeT5otk2R1g
all americans who blindly went along with the anti-god anti-human anti-constitution
prohibitions on the stuff we consume/drink/inhale - this is the legacy you gave us.
never in any moral society would cannabis be outlawed nor would the psychedelics.
you criminalize behavior. not what you have in your hand or mouth.
Go after the people hiring illegals with equal or greater enforcement. As it�s
done in other modern countries.
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Laughing.Man Magnum Jan 24, 2018 10:16 PM Permalink
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HRH of Aquitaine 2.0 The Dreadnought Jan 24, 2018 9:46 PM Permalink
If they don't speak English, they're fucking illegal. Last time I checked the US
citizenship requires at least a decent understanding of English to pass the
freaking citizenship exam. Most indio illegals don't speak a word of English.
These aren't their best and brightest. This is the scourge of Mayan and Aztec
peasantry.
In reply to It's called racial profiling� by The Dreadnought
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SixIsNinE sheikurbootie Jan 24, 2018 10:10 PM Permalink
i said ....ummm....
This has been a constitution free zone for quite a while,100 miles in encircling
the country you happen to live in Fla guess what?The end game of all this is E-
Verify with biometric's involved,you've heard of gun control?Shazzam now you have
work control,bet you won't need it to vote,we already have this it's called a
drivers license,time to start dragging people into the streets 4 generations deep
and do what the Indian's done
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Omega_Man Jan 24, 2018 9:37 PM Permalink
why not allow this for a few years to get rid of the mexicons
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VWAndy Jan 24, 2018 9:35 PM Permalink
Oathkeepers among others earned a victory at Bundy Ranch. Then the government was
called out for lying in court. Take the good news where you can find it.