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08-14-2016,10:40 PM #1

auto-balancing bench grinder arbors

stilla bit of a w ork in progress, but I m ade these in the hope of balancing a w ire Save
w heelw hich is causing m y grinder to vibrate.

Idea is to have a groove in w hich som e ballbearings are free to rotate and com e
to rest at the point of low est effective m ass on the w heel, thus balancing it. W ell,
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that's the idea anyw ay, not quite there yet.
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ream ed to 0.501 or so, slip fit on the arbor. Face relieved so that the arbor only
contacts the w heelat its periphery. N ot 100% sure w hy this is necessary, but
that's how the originalones are m ade so..

first arbor parted off New Forum Posts

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thicker than 1 .5 tim es the square of the
approxim ately 6m m square hole through
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balls loaded. After the 1st try, w here nothing happened, I cleared out the grease.
Stillnothing, so I added m ore balls - 25 on the w ire side.

stone side. This side really didn't need any balancing, ran really sm oothly w ithout
any balls. Figured I'd add them anyw ay in case the balance changes over tim e
w ith w ear

w ire w heelside

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the arbors did help reduce vibration a bit, but not elim inate it com pletely. I'llbe
cutting the groove to 2x ballw idth to allow the balls to bunch up to see if that
im proves things. If not, I cut the groove deeper and use larger bearings for m ore
m ass. I'llreport back w ith m y findings!

here's a great article about both the physics and another m achinist's trials and
tribulations w ith balancing grinders
m etalm agpie's balancing arbors

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08-15-2016,08:54 AM #2

C-Bag Thanks for this m atthem uppet. This is a problem that has plagued m e w ith m y 8" Save
grinder. I helped the problem a lot by truing m y w heels on the m illfirst. I'd also
seen the N orton w heels are better and m ore balanced assertion before. After
going out and buying a set I'm also in the cam p that says thats a pant-load.
W hat I did find is they w ere allso off center, how could they even be in balance?

The link you provide is very interesting and I'm going to have to read through it
again a couple of tim es. I do w ish he w ouldn't use w ashers and instead say arbor
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as its kind of confusing.
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coast I look forw ard to your further experience w ith the self balancing arbor as it
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m ystery how you figure out how m any and how big of ballbearings you need
too.
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08-15-2016,03:30 PM #3

Thanks M att...interesting build for som ething that is alw ays a bit of a chore. Save
Personally, like C -Bag, I have found the N orton w heeloff quite a bit, especially

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for the price, but they have quality grit. The trick is w ith the w ire w heels and I
have a diam ond cup w heelthat w obbles like a bobble head and hops like a bunny
on steroids..

I've seen this ballbearing approach before but it's alldependent on know ing how
out of balance they are to begin w ith. The guy in the link built a m ake shift but I
built 2 pair of offset skate bearings on adjustable posts years ago and a good
shaft then, stick w eights on untilI get the balance. Even used 4 single edged
razor blades in V's back in the m odelairplane days for props. In your case the
m ass of your w asher caps probably out w eighs the bearings. M y hit w ould be to
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go to 2x size bearings but find out how m uch you need first. I use/borrow our
Location: Northern CA digitalfood scale and larger postalfor big stuff. W ire w heels w illcontinually
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08-16-2016,02:35 PM #4

thanks you tw o. The N orton w heelhas alw ays been pretty w ellbalanced, Save
although the bore isn't com pletely perpendicular to the sides, w hich is a bit of a
pain. There w asn't any difference that I could tellin vibration betw een the
grinder w ith nothing on it (sm ooth as silk) and the stone w heel, so I think the big
problem is the w ire w heel.

W hen I get hom e tonight I'm going to cut the groove deeper and w ider to try
Join Date: Aug 2016 som e bigger bearings. N o idea on how full the groove should be, but intuitively
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08-16-2016,03:11 PM #5

C-Bag To be clear and not antagonistic, I w as just sharing m y experience w ith the Save
N orton stones. I'm glad yours is in balance.

I w ould love to find a w ay to get these 8" stones of m ine dialed in. I've seen the
auto balancing arbors listed but they w ere really expensive(w ay m ore than the
grinder and stones together!) and w as not sure they really w orked.

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08-17-2016,12:58 PM #6

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no w orries at all, I didn't take it like that. I've heard other people say N orton Save
stones are often out of balance, I m ust have either gotten lucky or it's been w orn
dow n enough to sm ooth it out.

had a play last night, recutting the groove on the w ire w heelside to fit 5/32 balls
from an old bike headset bearing. After playing around w ith ballnum ber,
betw een 10 and 15 (1/4 and 1/3 full) seem ed to w ork the best, although it didn't
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Location: W alla W alla,W A USA balls in than not, com pared w ith about 1/3 reduction w ith the 3/32 balls. 3/16in
Posts: 46 or even 1/4in balls w ould probably get that last 1/3 but I don't have any 3/16
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edit - for 8in stones, I'd m ake the arbor w ith a larger diam eter (m ine are 2 or 2
1/2in, can't rem em ber) and start w ith 1/4in balls. It's a fairly sim ple project, the
m achining didn't take long at all.

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08-17-2016,02:40 PM #7

Thanks for the follow up M att! G reat Share! Looks like you found your Balance Save
and G roove...G rind on.
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08-17-2016,03:43 PM #8

C-Bag So no oil or grease on the balls? Save

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08-17-2016,04:03 PM #9

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O riginally Posted by C-Bag
So no oilor grease on the balls?

I tried grease to begin w ith but it didn't let the balls m ove freely, w hich is key to
it w orking properly. I thought about oil, but the balls m ove very freely in the
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groove and you can hear them m ove into position w hen the grinder starts up.
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