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Author(s): David Wolfsdorf
Source: Harvard Studies in Classical Philology, Vol. 103 (2007), pp. 235-259
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DtXiaIN PLATO'SLYSIS
DAVIDWOLFSDORF
INTRODUCTION
LYSIS HAS HAD A PARTICULARLY over the lasthalf-century.
SORRYRECEPTION
Oftenviewedas deficient in comparison withPhaedrus and Sym-
posium,1scholarswhoattendto it do so in a defensive posture.How
manyarticlesbeginwiththe objectiveofshowingthatLysisin fact
containssubstantive contentregarding friendship?Amongthese,a
common themeis theattempted rescueofthetextfrom claimsthatits
treatment offriendship is non-altruisticor instrumental-as though
therewerea sympathetic needto preserve Platofromaccusationsof
weakmorals.2
Morerecently andespecially followingGadamer'sarticle,scholars
arguethatthedramatic enactment of<ptia amongthepersonaefulfills
whatthephilosophical inquiry properdoesnot.3Conceived ina nega-
tivelight,one mightsaythatsuchliterary interpretations-however
muchtheyclaimtobe grounded inanimportant hermeneutic orphilo-
sophicalposition-succeed inilluminating thevalueofthetextat the
costofdemonstrating thattheinquiry inthetextisindeedlacking. And
yetthishasbeenconceivedas partofthepoint.Whatfriendship truly
is cannotbe said,it can onlybe shown.Hence,aporiais inevitable. Or
so itis argued.
4 Wolfsdorf
1997:198-254,
Reshotko1997.
5 Whether of pthiain Lysisis an unsatisfactory
thetreatment treatment
of Xthia
seemstomeofsecondary
importance.
EiAiainPlato'sLysis 237
presumethatptXhia is beneficial,9
an assumption thatSocratesmain-
tainsthroughout thediscussion.10
First,it is agreedthatthatwhichis bad (rs KcK6v,hereafter the
bad) is notqpixov tothebad,becausethosewhoarebadareharmful."
As such,thebad cannotbe a participant in pXicaat all. Second,it is
agreedthatlikes(r&6pota),insofar as theyarealike,cannotparticipate
in ptXiasince,insofar as theyarealike,theydonotneedanything from
oneanother andsocannotderivebenefit from oneanother."2 Third,itis
agreedthatthatwhichis good(TO&ya06v, hereafterthegood),insofar
as it is good,cannotparticipate in qtXiasincethegood,insofar as it
is good,needsnothing, and so cannot be benefited.'3
Accordingly, the
goodcannotbe a participant in ptXia at all.In sum,if pthiais benefi-
cial,then pitXia cannotbebasedonlikeness.
Subsequently, Socratesand Menexenusbrieflyentertainthe
contrary view thatctXiais based on opposition(Evavwt6rlq). This
viewisinitially thought tobe attractive sincecertainrelations between
oppositesappearbeneficial. Forexample,therichmayassistthepoor,
thewisetheignorant.'4 However, thisviewis notseriously entertained
is
sinceit assumed to imply that itia exists between the badandthe
good,andthiswaspreviously rejected."'
Socratesnowquestions theassumption thatparticipants in ptXia
shouldbe distinguished according to thedichotomy ofgoodandbad
types.He suggests thatthereexistnotsimplythelikeandtheoppo-
site,butalso thatwhichis inbetween,theneitherlikenoropposite.
9 Thisideahasbeenrepeatedlyassumedinthediscussion Forexample,
already. when
Socratesconverses withHippothalesaboutHippothales' treatment ofLysis,Socratesis
interested to knowwhether Hippothales is treatingLysiswell.Socratessubsequently
rebukesHippothales forspoilingLysis.In Socrates'exchangewithLysis,it is implied
thatSocrates isbenefiting
Lysisbyhumbling andinstructinghim;andLysisisostensibly
benefited bybeingprovokedintophilosophical investigation.
10So,forinstance,attheendoftheinvestigation, Socratesclaims"toadmitthatthat
whichisuseless(iXprlorov)
isypiXov
wouldbe mistaken" (Ly.222c1).
11 Ly.214b7-c3.
12 Ly.214e2-215a4.
13 Ly.215a4-c2.
14 Ly.215d4-7.
15is ofclaiming
theirrationality
stresses
Socrates that6 ~Xp6q (thehateful
orthehated)
couldbeengaged withitsopposite
in<pitXa (Ly.216a6-bl).
PtAl'ain Plato'sLysis 239
Accordingly, arecategorized
entities toa trichotomy
according oftypes
(ylvrl):thegood,thebad,and thatwhichis neithergoodnorbad (rb
prTE yaOibvpr'rEKaK6V,hereafterthe neithergood nor bad).16Since
thebad cannotparticipate in ptiiaandsinceptXiacannotbe based
on likeness,
itremainsthattheneither goodnorbadandthegoodare
participantsin ptXfia.
Notethatthisdoesnotcontradict
theprevious
claimthatthegoodcan deriveno benefit fromanother,forSocrates
doesnotassumethatthebenefit Asinthis
ofyptiamustbe reciprocal.
case,itisunilateral.
Socratesthensuggeststhatthecauseof ptXiais thepresenceof
thebadintheneither Thispointcompels
goodnorbad."7 himtodistin-
guishtwowaysinwhichan entitymayhavea property."' Precisely,
if
thebadis presentto theneithergoodnorbad,thenitmustbe present
insucha waythattheneither goodnorbadisnotitself
bad.So Socrates
claims:
somethingsare suchas thatwhichis present(rbtrap6v)
to
them,
andotherthings are not.19
Socratesgivesthefollowingexample: ifonetintsone'sblondehair
withwhitelead,thenthewhiteness is presenttothehair,butthehair
itselfremains
blonde.However, ifoldageturnsone'shairwhite,then
thewhitenesspresent tothehairis,as hesays,"suchas"thehair.20
The
passagemayhaveimplications fortheinterpretation oftheself-attri-
butionofproperties andtherelationofpropertiesandtheirinstances.
ButI willnotdwellon thesehere.It sufficesto notethatthiswayof
therelationofthebadandtheneither
conceptualizing goodnorbad
accommodates theallegedcauseof piXiawiththenotionthatthebad
cannotparticipatein ptiMa.
16Ly.216d5-7.
17 In the passage under consideration,Socrates uses the expression "Sa& KaKO)
napovoaiv" (Ly.217b5-6). However,when he laterrejectsthiscausal account Socrates
uses thewordai'rov (Ly.221c2).
18However,Socratesdoes not use any wordforproperty; he simplyspeaks of entities
beinga particularway.
19Ly.217c3-4.
20 T6TEEYvOVrool6vEp "b Tnap6v,XEUKOiO (Ly.217d8-el).
tIapOUMgAXEUKaL.
240 DavidWolfsdorf
21 Ly.218b6-c2.
22 Ly. 217a4-b6.
23 Ly.218a2-b3.
24 e ydp-toy-Uli'
touotoO EKaaorov, &'X oTroo 6po{iourti iV y&p
a 0ypo0,
pb v Ti
6S PuXp v 0eploo,T 8S~E% &i60 f3Xo, rT68 KE"vvrtptp0o0wx,
pros Kai XqfipE8&KEVCra6eq
(Ly.215e4-8).
25 The viewthat ptXhia in Lysisis treated as non-reciprocalhas been noted by other
scholars.See,forexample,Robinson1986.Cf.also Reshotko1997:2-3.
inPlato'sLysis
<PtAt" 241
textnotto importcertainfamiliar
preconceptions
aboutthenature
offriendship. thatLysisis primarily
Indeed,Reshotkohas suggested
concernedwiththenatureofattraction.
Onemightalsosayitconcerns
thenatureofbonds.
26 Ly.218c4ff.
27 Ly.218c5-7,d2-4.
28 Ly.218d6-219b8.
29Ly.219b6-cl.
242 DavidWolfsdorf
30 Ly.211d6-213d5.
31 Ly.219c ff.
32 The claimofa npdrovq(pkovhas bothan ethicaland a psychological-orrather,since
ptiManeed notinvolveentitieswithsouls,motivational-implication.
On theone hand,it
entailsa speciesofethicalmonism;on the otherhand,it impliesthatlove dependsupon
a stateofdeficiency.
'tAtainPlato'sLysis 243
44 I refrain
fromtranslating
"ipaotijq"as "lover"sincethatwouldlead to confusion.
45 Ly.221e5-22b2.
inPlato'sLysis
itALa 247
46 Ly.210el-5.
248 DavidWolfsdorf
APORIAIN LYSIS
ThecoreoftheanalysisofqtXa inLysisbeginswiththeconventional
and traditionalconceptionofqXhiabasedon likenessand concludes
withSocrates'second,novelconception of pldiabasedon belonging.
Theaporiainwhichtheinvestigationendsoccursas a conflict
between
thesetwopositions.After hissecondconcep-
Socrateshas articulated
andapplieditto therelationships
tionof pliXia betweenthepersonae
in thetext,he urgesLysisandMenexenus to drawa conclusionfrom
thediscussion:
Ifthereis anydifference
betweenthe belongingand the
like,it seems to me ... thatwe mightgive some accountof
what0pioq
6 is. Butiflikeandbelonging arethesameitis
noteasyto getridofourformer statement thatthelikeis
uselesstothelikeinsofar as theyarealike;andtoadmitthat
theuselessisqpiXov wouldbe a grossmistake.So howaboutif
weagreenow... sincewe areratherdrunkfromthediscus-
sion,to saythatthebelonging andthelikearetwodifferent
things? [LysisandMenexenus consent.]
Thenshallwemain-
tainthatthegoodbelongs toall(Travzi),
whilethebadisalien
(&AXX6ptov)?Ordoesthebadbelongto thebad,thegoodto
thegood,andtheneither goodnorbad to theneither good
norbad?[LysisandMenexenus agreethatthelastthreepairs
belongtogether.]So hereagain,boys ... we have droppedin
theverystatements
regarding piXiathatwerejected
at first;
fornowtheunjustwillbe as much(piXoqoftheunjust,and
the bad of the bad as the good of the good ... Andwhat is
inPlato'sLysis
ODUia 249
more,ifwesaythatthegoodandthebelongingarethesame,
we cannotavoidmakingthegood piXovonlytothegood...
Butthisagain,youknow,is a viewofwhichwethoughtwe
do you not? ... So
had disabused ourselves;you remember,
Oris itclearthat
whatmorecan we do withourargument?
we can do nothing?... We havenotyetbeen able to discover
what6 qpixois.47
Atthe end of a denseconversation,
theparticipants vergeon a
mutuallysatisfactoryaccountof ptXia.Socratessuggeststhatthis
requiresa distinction
betweenthelikeandthebelonging. Theboys
agreetomakethedistinction.
However, whenaskedwhichpixotbelong
together, ina contradiction
theyclaimthatlikesdo.Thischoiceresults
ofwhatSocratescalls
regarding
theverystatements ptia thatwerejected
atfirst;
fornowtheunjustwillbe as mucha friend
oftheunjust,
and
thebadofthebad,as thegoodofthegood.48
Socratesis referring to thefirststageofthecoreoftheanalysis
where, as wehaveseen,threearguments aremadeagainstthepopular
viewof tiXabasedonlikeness. Indescribingthesearguments I empha-
sizedtheirsharedassumption thatpltia must be beneficial.
Attheend
oftheinvestigation Socratesagainstresses thatptXiamustbe benefi-
Thus,Lysis'andMenexenus'
cial.49 failure thebelonging
to distinguish
andthelikedrawstheargument backto thegrounds uponwhichthe
conception of taia basedonlikeness wasrejected.
If,however,the belongingand the like are distinguished, as
Socratesadvises,and thealternative is adopted,a consistent account
of iAtiabasedon belonging canbe maintained. TheoptionLysisand
Menexenus do notchooseis thatthegoodbelongstoall (tavwt), while
thebad is aliento all.50It is notobviouswhatnravtf refersto in this
sentence.According to thetrichotomization ofall entitiesas either
47 Ly.222b3-223b8.
48 Ly.222dl.
49 Ly.222b8-c9.
50 Ly.223c3-5.
250 DavidWolfsdorf
51Wolfsdorf
1997.Cf.alsowolfsdorf
2004.
52 Ly.223b7-8.
252 David
Wolfsdorf
andwouldproveawkward
festival peopleto dealwith.So we
gaveinandbrokeupourparty.53
Byreferring totheslavesas "otherworldly spirits" andas speaking
in "barbarian accents,"'
Socratescharacterizes the boys' pedagogues as
foreign to thediscussion group.Sincepedagogueswereslaves,Lysis'
and Menexenus' pedagogues musthaveliterally beenforeigners. The
conclusionofLysisshowstheboysreturning to theirfamiliarroles
underthecareoftheircustomary pedagogues. ButSocrates'emphasis
on theforeignness ofthepedagogues, immediately following
an inves-
tigationthathas developeda theoryof ptXiabased on belonging,
intimates thatthesepedagogues areforeign to theirwardsina philo-
sophicalsensetoo.
Socrates,theboys,and the otherattendingyouthare reluctant
to breakoffthediscussion whenthe slavescometo fetchLysisand
Menexenus totakethemhome.Itis remarked thattheslaveshavebeen
drinking wineduringtheritesoftheHermaia,thedayon whichthe
discussion atMikkos' palaestra occurs,andSocratessaysthatitseemed
onthisaccountthattheslaveswouldbe intractable. ThewordSocrates
uses to describetheslaves'demeanoris &nopol.54 Thisimageofthe
drunkenintractable slaves serving as Lysis' and Menexenus' peda-
goguescontrasts withtheimageofSocratesas Lysis'andMenexenus'
temporary pedagogue.AtthebeginningofLysisSocratesdescribes
himself as making hiswayfrom theAcademy to theLyceum. Theword
Socratesusesto describehiswalk,thefirstwordofthedialogue,is
kntopeF6prlv("I wasmaking myway").56 The aporiaor intractability of
theslavesat theendofthedialoguecontrasts withSocrates'passage
(nt6poq)atthebeginning ofthedialogue.WhileSocratesis engagedin
philosophy, the drunken slavesliterallydisbandSocrates', Lysis',and
Menexenus' convivium (ouvouoaxv).
The drunkenness oftheslavesalso recallsHippothales' drunken-
nessandsuggests thattheslaves,likeHippothales, mayhavea detri-
mentalinfluence ontheboys.Inthisparticular case,as theyhinder the
53 Ly.223al-b2.
54 Ly.223b2.
55 Ly.203al.
rtA"a
inPlato's
Lysis 253
boysfrom inquiry,
philosophical theyareperhapsintendedtoappearas
doingso.Tothisextenttheslavesare,likeHippothales,
also tpoaotolrlro
(piXot
(inauthentic) withwhomLysisandMenexenus donotbelong.The
harmfuldrunkenness oftheslavesandHippothales maybe contrasted
withthatbeneficial
drunkenness from describes
whichSocrates himself
andtheboysas sufferingas a resultofthetortuous
investigation:
Sinceitis as ifweweredrunk
(psE6olpEv) theX6yoq56
from
As Lysisand MenexenusleaveSocrates'companytheyleavethe
siteofbeneficial <ptia andriskthedangers
extrinsic oftheinauthentic
qpthia surroundingthem. The final scene ofthedialogue,withthe
entrance oftheslavesandthedisbanding ofthegroup,indicatesthat
thishighlyunconventional philosophical investigation
has occurred
withina spacegoverned bythecounter-philosophical conventions of
thepolis.The aporiaoftheinvestigation maybe seento resultfrom
thisconditionoftheinvestigationas well.WhileSocrates'communion
withtheboyshassoughttoprovoke inquiry
philosophical anddevelop
understanding beyondconventional, receivedviews,nonetheless,the
boysremaindeeplyentrenched intheconventional practicesoftheir
dailylives.
56 Ly.222c2.
57 R. I 352e2-3.
58 R.I 352e5-353a2.
254 DavidWolfsdorf
59 R.I353b2-4.
60 R. I353b14-c2.
61 Thisis ratheruncontroversial.
62 R. I353e7-354al.
OtMiainPlato'sLysis 255
TheseremarksfromGorgias dovetailnicelywiththosefromRepublic
I. Theyare also suggestivewithrespectto Socrates'conceptionof piXIa
based on belongingin Lysis;and theyhelpclarifythenatureofthefirst
friend.When the concept of the firstfriendis introducedin Lysis,no
clear indicationis given of its identity.
However,it is suggestedto be
desiredforits own sake and to be thatforthe sake ofwhichall other
desiderataare desired.Desireforthefirstfriendis,then,intrinsicdesire.
In Euthydemus Socrates claimsthathappiness(E6aimpovia)is the
ultimateobjectofdesireinsofaras itmakesno sense,when one speaks
of desiringhappiness, to seek a furtherexplanationforthe desire.
Vlastosdescribesthisas theeudaimonistaxiom.66 InNicomachean Ethics,
Aristotle,appropriatingPlatonicideas,writes:
Now ifthere exists an end in the realmof actionwhichwe
desireforitsown sake,an endwhichdetermines all ourother
63 Grg.506d2-4.
64 Grg.506el-4.
65 Grg.507e6-a3.
66 Vlastos1991:203.
256 DavidWolfsdorf
APPENDIX
Thispaperwas composedin 2002and acceptedforpublicationin
2003.SincethattimeI havepublished orhaveforthcominga number
ofdiscussionsofdesirein Plato'searlydialoguesthatamplifyor,in
certainrespects,supplantthepresentdiscussion.
Onpage245,endof
paragraph,
first I writethat"I regard thateveryone
theclaiminGorgias
desiresthegoodas carrying no weightinthedebateoverSocrates'or
Plato'sconceptionofdesireamongtheearlydialogues."SeeWolfsdorf:
2008.
Againon page245,beginningofsecondparagraph,I writethatthe
passagestrongly
"Protagoras supportsthesubjectivistconceptionof
desireinMeno"See Wolfsdorf:
2006b.
onpage246,endoffirst
Finally, paragraph,
I write"... butwemust
judgewhethertokensofthosetypesaregoodorbad."I providea fuller
accountofdesireinLysisinWolfsdorf
2007.
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