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Through her extensive experience in ministering to gay and lesbian Christians, Wendy VanderWal-Gritter has come to believe we need a new
paradigm for how the church engages those in the sexual minority. While I wouldn't want to make a sweeping generalization with all youth, I would
hazard a guess that some straight churched high school students may not understand all of what's being said in the book, but most LGBTQ
students would. But I cannot stop thinking about more questions What would you say to a man whose wife keeps nagging him and bothering
him when he falls in love with another woman and wants a divorce? This text is capable of offering millions of God's children hope, both here and
abroad. Men committed shameless acts with men and received in their own persons the due penalty for their error. Of course, I believe that he has
reached the right conclusions, but I am not a theologian. Sign up for our Funniest Tweets From Women email. As with the other book, lest you
take anything I say in this review out of context I would encourage you to read the book for yourself. How would you talk about Christ to them
when talking about marriage? However, assuming he is intellectually honest and not bias only towards the suffering of gay people, then, I presume,
he would teach the easy way out in everyone of the situations I presented above. This book will go far in helping those who are struggling with their
consciences on the seeming biblical injunction against homosexuality. That said, the response e-book that came out when this did is not such a
good response He relays that marriage goes beyond our day-to-day happiness and fulfillment; marriage is about demonstrating the nature and glory
of God through the covenant we make and keep with our spouse and the need for relationship that is deeply imprinted in us for both heterosexual
relationships and same-sex couples. There is zero doubt in my mind that Matthew Vines loves God deeply and is most interested in following the
words of God. He refrains from condescension, passive-aggression and straight-up insults which sadly have become a hallmark in such debates.
McLaren, author and theologian. Julie, thanks for showing how gay Christians who disagree can engage respectfully. The loving, inclusive life and
preaching of Francis of Assisi make him a recognizable and beloved saint across many faith traditions. Vines of course digs into those six passages,
but before he does so he spends several chapters laying some important conceptual groundwork. Galileo was condemned for his wrong
interpretation of Scripture when he said that the earth revolved around the sun, and many abolitionists were condemned by Christian slaveholders
because they were forcing their views that all people are equal upon the text. In order to truly flee from sin as well as the temptation to sin, they
must constantly attempt what has proven impossible: You are commenting using your Twitter account. Yours is the orthodox view, not mine. Like
the Reverend Martin Luther King, I refuse to believe that "the bank of justice is bankrupt," so I allow myself to dream. These questions eventually
cost Enns his jobbut they also opened a new spiritual path for him to follow. He presents his views without vitriol, with respect, and with a
sincere desir Last month I read another book of the same topic but with a differing view. It also offers practical advice for implementing generous
spaciousness in churches and organizations. I am truly thankful to engage in a conversation with you. What went without saying was that they were
likely accompanied by a large entourage of extended family. As Vines states early on in his book, "This debate is not simply about beliefs and
rights; it's about people who are created in God's image. He frequently took positions without any authority , , , , , , , , , But you were washed, you
were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God. Yes, I dare to boldly dream. To enjoy our
website, you'll need to enable JavaScript in your web browser. Overall I do commend the book for skillfully compiling much of the recent
scholarship on this issue so that readers can easily see the arguments for this position. Instead, it was thought that everyone could at least be
attracted to the opposite sex and so same-sex behavior was a sign of weakness or excess. Robert Gagnon referenced Seeds of a Modern
Reformation Not only were they not harmful to anyone, they were characterized by positive motives and traits instead, like faithfulness,
commitment, mutual love, and self-sacrifice. According to Vines' view of history, it was not until the late s that "the modern understanding of
homosexuality as a sexual orientation began to develop among an elite group of German psychiatrists" Matthew raises a good point when he says:
Adultery and idolatry are often associated in the Bible and thievery and greed certainly go together. From what I have seen, Ford will always find a
way to take offense at our comments unless we give in to his demands, which we cannot do. I guess I first need to know what you mean by
intimacy. There is a scripture-based argument in favor of gay marriage, and I doubt you will ever find it more compellingly stated than in this book.
His method of interpretation is solid in MOST places. The book is winsomely written and claims to be guided by evangelical sensibilities. I hope
the rest of the church follows his lead. And this from Joe several posts above is also priceless: He has something surprising, hopeful, and
challenging to say to folks on all sides. Post was not sent - check your email addresses! But Vines hates mandated celibacy. The Biblical Argument
for Marriage Equality The ends do not justify the means. Let's also remember that the biblical writers knew nothing of the modern notion of a
married couple's mutual consent to an open marriage. Subscribers have full digital access. The underlying assumption which is merely asserted is
that for God to apply "traditional" Christian sexual ethics which prohibits homosexual acts in today's world would make him a moral monster and
responsible for the 'inevitable' depression and suicide which ensues from the resulting attempts of impossible sexual suppression by "gay
Christians". This book sets forth a positive calling for celibate gay Christians and suggests practical ways for all Christians to cultivate stronger
friendships.