E 0300034) seaneanonenne JONT INQUIRY Commitee Sensive ‘Team Fe, Trans MER Fie Gocuren Number Prepared By ies Kera Reviowod By (UINTERVIEWEE: Traneportaton Securty Agency (nee: FAA) {(U) SUBJECT: Get Aoquanted Meeting {U) interview Mato: Roune Table Discussion {U} Pico: FAA Heodousrers {U)oate ay 10,2002 (FOUO) Participants: is Wiles Kara Everts Jordan Dovid Borton Renal Gupta OT Donal Horn, assistant General Counsel Linay Knapp, Deputy General Gove! Caria Marin, GC Ofte Claus Warne, Securty Ofc, Iligence Pat Durgen Michael Morse, Aviaion Operations, Mark Randal, ACS-00 Mat Kolmaim, Analyst ‘Angela Stobefel, Anas RECORD OF INTERVIEW {1 (FOUO) 007 GC spokesperson reviewed fr us thal thre were three prncpa ements in Dot ofimorst to ws: Coast vad, TSA, ane the Ofc of Secunly (Ifeigence).Tocay we were meeting wih the Ofice of Securly DoT anawers fo te 13 questions were sil boing worked Waste issue of relase of law enforcement afrmation. Mr Manno verfed tatty coud {eiease inteligence product rom otter agenses bu! he release af any analyst exchenge informetan would have tbe ceared is 2.(FOUO) The Offee of Ci Aviation Securty was in existence on 8/11 and provided primarly ineligence summaries, toinclude threat assessor's, suppor to ndatons and warning, ane Supporto poicy operations The oc also levied collection requirements on the imeligence community, as required. The Office also maintains liaison officers at CTC, State (Diplomatic Security) and he FB! Theater taison efor bogen in 1990, he othe wo Began ca 1990, A Ta (Gbiaisbtottecem Siomcoe 10 50 Nt Seenenaecontes lisigon arrangement wih NSA isin te works, M. Manno stated that he liaison system, "works as best i'can” the liaison ofoers ar integrated wherever they ae, not ut appendages: The Otice i aways Ierested in geting es much information as cn ard hoy ave “soning et more since 911 53°(FOUO) The Otice i tnked tothe 1C twough[———they maintain an operations center land there ore procedures place withthe 1 aurig TYSaTS os they occur. They also meintan an SVTS (Secure Viceo Teleconference System ink nthe operations center 4:(FOUG) FAA Operations. Ai-ground conmruricatons are fe responstlity ofthe FAA and the comms can 98 ped ro ther Herconfacity and ino Tmo FAA operations conte, Indust company communications are nol necessary nkeafo FAR, They also mata SCI ommuncaton inke and have many port point ines with nested partes 5: (FOUO) In terms of sanzing and providing information to ho customers they have two ‘ohides, security dkectves and information cris, Both products ae Iwect based "'Seeurty Drectves are used to direct a carers and to apply edalional measures. They are signed ou by TSA. SOs go to domestic carers and domestic akpors, They donot go yoerely to'smaler general evan fms of wnich there are around 450. The SDs have doen veal based singe te Wore Trade Center bomong n 1888, SD inpl Gomes mm GIA and FBI, Pos itt volume has been a probe, The counting of SDs canbe tricky sine one SO can have multisle {sodale(slans DODIP terms) which serve fo update the base directive. Through the SD SECRETINO FOR 1SEORERNOFERT™ process they maintain two lists (derogatory information is not given to the carriers) + Selectee List (50-60 names, less dangerous) + Don't Fly List (200 plus names, most dangerous) + Information Circulars are used to describe tactics and tod 8. (FOUO) FAA (TSA) maintains liaison officers overseas| 7. {FOUO) Other relevant points + TSA\is aware of the TIPOFF program. but name reservation data Is not currently robust enough to be a feed into TIPOFF for crosscheck + Pre 1986 there was no formal inteligence lash-up and few names were brought to FAA altention. That changed when CTC was formed + Big carriers have automated systems, but the security side of aiines has never been highly resources SeormMETETTT 7/10/2002 10:50 AM 2 SHS RETORORT 8. (FOUO) Lineage of the FAA/TSA inteligence effort. They started in 1986 with a handful of analysts (2-4) and have plussed up ever since after cical events. Inthe aftermath of PenAm 103, by 1990 they had 12 or 13 bilets. During that time they used the format Sl (Statement of Inteligence Interest) process to establish requirements withthe FBI and the IC. The FBI process ‘was more difficult to manage than the IC process—different system, diferent mores. During Desert Shielc/Storm they went to 24/7 operations and forthe frst ime had an analyst strength sumbering inthe mid 20°, The TWA fight 800 tragedy further increased jh Brogan 10. (FOUO) Concerning the Hani Hanjour story, there have been no studies done on fight schools. Prior to 9/11 they had no knowiedge of either Hanjour or Mossaui. None of the 19 Hijackers were on the no fy list. BeeReaNGEOFTE 7/10/2002 10:50 AM 3