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A Challenge to
Engineer Ali:
Mirza:Can he
explain the
verse 142 of
Su:rah A:li
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Imra:n
(04:03:15:142).
[REVISED ]

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Surah Aal-I-Imran Ayah #142 Translated in English

3:142Share

Literal Translation.

Do you think that you will enter the garden while Allah has not yet known those
who strive hard from among you, and (He has not) known the patient.

Interpreted Translation

Or do you think that you will enter Paradise while Allah

has not yet made evident those of you who fight in His
cause and made evident those who are steadfast?

142 A:L IMR A:N.

[04:03:15:142] OR [04:03:142]

The Holy Verse of Qura:n in its literal meaning or real meaning negates the Divine Knowledge of Future
events and consequently negates the Divine Omniscience. Therefore an interpretation is necessary.

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Jahmiah , Rafid:iah Buda:iah etc . probably used this verse not only to negate the Divine Knowledge of
future but also to shew that :=

1] Divine Knowledge Doeth not comprehend Each and Every Existent, Non Exitent, Event of Past, event of
Present, Event of Future.

NAU:DH:U BILLAH VA ASTAGH:FARULLAH

2] Divine Knowledge is not Eternal .

NAU:DH:U BILLAH VA ASTAGH:FARULLAH

3] Divine Knowledge is Finite and Limited.

[In short Divine Knowledge is Not Omniscience].

NAU:DH:U BILLAH VA ASTAGH:FARULLAH

4] Divine Knowledge increases as time passes and events occur.

NAU:DH:U BILLAH VA ASTAGH:FARULLAH

5] Non Eternals are Associated With Divine Essence or Non Eternals Sustain in Divine Essence.

Non Eternal Divine Knowledge is Associated With Divine Essence or Non Eternal Divine Knowledge is
Sustained In Divine Essence. Also Divine Knowledge is not Essential.

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NAU:DH:U BILLAH VA ASTAGH:FARULLAH

We do not think that the Engineer Of Jhelum would have gone to this extreme. If not then he must
interprete this Holy Verse.

What we ask := How he interpret s it and according to which rules of interpretations he interprets it?.

He must have to state them.

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If he cannot then it is exposed that this Engineer of Jhelum is a Man With Out Any Principle. A Principle-
less Person. His principlelessness is exposed.

How ever if he believes that Divine Knowledge is neither Eternal Nor Comprehensive then this implieth
that Non Eternal is Sustained in Divine Essence. Also this implies Jahl [Nescience/Ignorence].In this
case he follow Jahmites , Mabadites ,Budaites etc. [2]

NAU:DH:U BILLAH VA ASTAGH:FARULLAH

We ask Ali; Mirza: the following questions:=

1] What is the Literal meaning of the words in the text of the sentence of the verse Va Lamma
YaLamillahu ?

Is it not ALL-H Hath Not Known it Yet? Or ALL-H Knoweth Not It Yet .

If not then what it is?

2] What is the Interpreted meaning of these words in the text of A:yah. Is it not ALL-H HATH NOT MADE IT
EVIDENT YET? If not then state your own meaning , AND DERIVE IT BY THE LAWS OF ARABIC. Also state
explicitly whether your meaning is an interpreted /virtual meaning or real /literal meaning.

3] What do you say about a person who insist on the Literal Meaning and discards the interpreted
meaning. Is he a Muslim or Not. Also it is possible that a person becomes a Kafir by taking the Literal
meaning of this verse? If so then are there some other verses in the Text Of Holy Qura:n which cannot be
taken in their Literal meaning or it is the only verse in the Entire Text Of Holy Qura:n? It must be noted
that this question is in regard to those verses where the Engineer of Jhelum considers that Not to
Interpret is Kufr?

4] Is there any Evidence/Indicator in the text of this verse which implies interpretation and discarding of
the Literal Meaning? Or the Evidence /Indicator is External and Exterior. If so then this Indicator
/Evidence is in some other portion of the Text of Holy Qura:n or in the Text(s) of Ah:adi:th: As:s:ah:i:yah.

In any case proper reference is required.

5] If some one tries to prove Literal Buda [Not Metaphorical Buda] FROM THIS VERSE ,DO YOU THINK literal
meaning is a proof of it or not?

[Please note:= We do not ask about Metaphorical Buda which is different from Literal Buda
in this question , I.E Q#05]. So any discussion on Metaphorical Buda shall be out of context
in the answer of question 5].

6] Do you believe in Metaphorical Buda or not?

[Please state either in affirmation or in negation. No further discussion is required. The

condition STATED ABOVE of Question 5 is not applicable in Q#6 ].

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7] What is the Literal Meaning of the Word Shai . Is it Existent /Mauju:d ? If not then what it is?

8] Is it necessary to interpret a verse of Qura:n by an other verse of Qura:n? Or it can be interpreted by

Reason or a H:Ladi:th: or both.

9] If Engineer Ali: Mirza: interpret this verse by an other verse of Qura:n then does he allow any one to
interpret that verse by this verse? If not then why?

For example if Verse A is Interpreted by Verse B by Engineer Ali: Mirza: , what is his response if some one
interpret the verse B by verse A.

Please provide examples if YOU HAVE (any].

10] What are the total number of Verses in Holy Qura:n which are interpreted by Engineer Ali: Mirza: and
he does not take them Literally?

[It must be noted that this question is general ,where the Engineer from Jhelum interprets
but not necessary declare those as Infidels who insist on the Literal meaning s. In the case at
all places where he interprets, he considers that if some one takes the literal meaning is an
Infidel/Ka:fir then he MUST say so Explicitly.]

11] If Engineer Ali: Mirza: interpret this verse by the Text of A H:adi:th: then does he allow any one to
interpret that H:adi:th: by this verse? If not then why? In case if Engineer Ali: Mirza: claims that there is
an Ijma: then he must state it explicitly that there is neither an A:yah nor A H:adi:th: , but just an Ijma:.
Also he must refer to the proper sources to prove the claim of Ijma:. Also must state the subsect of
Ahlussunnah of the Authors of the referred Sources.]

12] Does Engineer Ali: Mirza: believe that Holy Prophet does know the event of future [relative to the time
of revelation of this verse stated above ] yet Divine Essence [D:a:tul Ba:ri:] doeth not? Also Doesthe Holy
Prophet knoweth it that after the occurrence of it?

Ali: Mirza of Jhelum must explain this verse with all these in mind which are stated above.

He must also state that in the case he does interpret this verse , whether Exhibition of Knowledge {Z:ahu:r Al Ilm} is
an act of Divine Essence or an Attribute of Divine Essence . In the case it is a Divine Act then whether it is Non
Eternal or Eternal. If Non Eternal then whether it is Sustained In Divine Essence or it is Separate from Divine
Essence. Also If Exhibition of Divine Knowledge is Not Divine Knowledge then what is the difference between the
Divine Attributes and Exhibition of Divine Attributes. Are Exhibitions of Divine Attributes Creations or Creatures?

In the case he considers Exhibition of Divine Knowledge as an Eternal Attribute then he cannot interpret this verse
with the negation of this Exhibition since an Eternal cannot be Negated.

Does This Engineer Of City Of Jhelum believe that Divine Attribute of Knowledge is Eternal, but Divine Acts are not
Eternal? If not then He must state it explicitly that whether he believes that Divine Acts Of Divine Essence [Dh:a:tul
Ba:ri: ] Are Intentional/ Valuntary Acts of Dh:a:tul Ba:ri: or Unintentional /Involuntary Acts of Dh:a:tul Ba:ri:.

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FOOT NOTES:

[1]

Although Engineer Ali: Mirza: alleges that he does believe that Non Eternals ARE NOT ASSOCIATED WITH
DIVINE ESSENCE, yet he believes that Divine Essence can appear on/in his creations . For example he does
believe that Istiva: occurred after the creation of Arsh and it does not Pre-Exist Arsh , or Divine Essence
Descendeth on the First Heaven the Heaven of the World [Sama:udduniah]. This implieth that neither the
Divine Act of Descension is Eternal nor Pre -Existent. So he is compelled to believe that these acts must
Sustain In Divine Essence or Must be Associted With Divine Essence. But it is some thing he is not going
to confess so easily. That is why we accuse him for implying interpretations and not believing in the
above stated Non-Eternals Sustaining In Divine Essence etc.

[2] But in this case he must state that if Divine Knowledge is neither Associated With Divine Essence nor
Sustained In Divine Essence then it is just a Creation and a Creature. Does Engineer Ali: Mirza: believe
that Divine Knowledge is a Creation/Creature.

TO THE FOLLOWERS OF ENGINEER ALI:

MIRZA: OF JHELUM
IT IS SHOWN THAT ALI MIRZA: IS A HERETIC
AND HETERODOX. HE DOES NOT FOLLOW
AHLUSSUNNAH VAL JAMA:AH. HE IS JUST AN
OTHER VERSION OF JAMA:ATUL MUSLIMI:N
[Engongated Ta:] WITH SOME MODIFICATIONS.
HE IS MORE CLEAVER THEN THE LATE
FOUNDER OF THE JAMA:ATUL MUSLIMI:N
[Elongated Ta:].
He has Rafid:ite tendencies while the founder
of Jama:atul Muslimi:n had Nas:ibite
tendencies.

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How many proofs you require to be convinced

that he is a heretic. Do you still require some
proofs?
It is a necessary responsibility to inform you
about apostasy of the apostate engineer.
You are informed.
Acknowledgement
Saiyid Zahi:r Naqvi a good theologian and a converted Ahlussunnah [Deoband (and
an Asharite+Muturidite)] from Twelvers asked to add some details in this
challenge and some sub-questions with some of the major ones. His advises are
accepted with thanks.

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