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Thread:Whenisamainbreakerrequiredinadistributionpanel
042111, 05:18PM #1
JoinDate: Aug2006
mull982
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Whenisamainbreakerrequiredinadistributionpanel
Cananyonetellmewhattherequirementsareforwhenamainbreakerisrequiredin
adistributionpanel?Isthereasectioninthecodethatcoversthis?
Iknowthatifthepanelisratedthesameasanupstreambreakerfeedingthepanel
thennomainisrequired.Ialsoknowthatifapanelissubfedwithfeedthroughlugs
thennomainisrequiredifthesubfedpanelisthesameratingasthemaininthe
upstreampanel.Isthiscorrect?
TheonlycaseIcanthinkofwhereamainisrequiredispossiblyapanellocatedon
thesecondaryofatransformerinordertosatisfytherequirementsofthesecondary
protectionofthetransformer.
042111, 05:28PM #2
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charlieb
Location: Seattle,WA
Moderator Posts: 18,443
Shortanswer:"Never."
Longeranswer:Nothingeverrequiresamainbreakerinanypanelofany
description.Nothing.Nada.Zilch.
Therearerulesthatsaythatallconductorsmustbeprotectedagainstovercurrent,
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andothersimilarrulesaboutpanels,andstillotherrulesabouttransformer
secondarywindings.Youhaveaddressedthemalready.Buteveninthosecases
whereaovercurrentprotectionisneeded,youareneverrequiredtoachievethat
protectionbyuseofamainbreakerinapanel.
CharlesE.Beck,P.E.,Seattle
Commentsbasedon2014NECunlessotherwisenoted.
042111, 06:14PM #3
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DennisAlwon
Location: ChapelHill,NC
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Ifbydistributionpanelyoumeanmaindistributionpanelthentheonlytimeyou
needamainbreakeriswhenyouhavemorethansixhandles.Ifthisisasubpanel
thentheonlytimeamainisrequiredisagainoversixdisconnectsatadetached
structure.
042111, 08:34PM #4
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augie47
Location: Tennessee
Moderator Posts: 15,224
Iwoulddirectyouto408.36,230.71and225.33
Atmyage,I'maccustomedtorestaurantsaskingmetopayinadvance,butnowmybankhasstartedsendingme
theircalendaronemonthatatime.
042111, 08:42PM #5
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550.11seemsrelavent?
042111, 09:25PM #6
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jimdungar Location: Wisconsin
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OriginallyPostedbyaugie47
Iwoulddirectyouto408.36,230.71and225.33
Noneofthoserequirethemaindevicetobelocatedinsideofthepanel.
Justbecauseyoucan,doesn'tmeanyoushould.
042111, 11:31PM #7
JoinDate: Feb2008
Chamuit
Location: Texas
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Ihadtoputoneinapaneltomaintaintheseriesratingofthesystemonce.
Requiredbytheengineer.
042211, 10:55AM #8
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jimdungar
Location: Wisconsin
Moderator Posts: 9,715
OriginallyPostedbyChamuit
Requiredbytheengineer.
Theengineer'sdesiresarenotcode.
IdoknowthatUL'sseriesratingdonotrequiretheupstreamdevicetobeinthe
sameenclosureasthelowerrateddevice.
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Justbecauseyoucan,doesn'tmeanyoushould.
042211, 11:03AM #9
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augie47
Location: Tennessee
Moderator Posts: 15,224
OriginallyPostedbyjimdungar
Noneofthoserequirethemaindevicetobelocatedinsideofthepanel.
Jim,Iagree,Iwassimplytryingtoprovidesomereferences.
Atmyage,I'maccustomedtorestaurantsaskingmetopayinadvance,butnowmybankhasstartedsendingme
theircalendaronemonthatatime.
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Eng
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OriginallyPostedbyjimdungar
Theengineer'sdesiresarenotcode.
IdoknowthatUL'sseriesratingdonotrequiretheupstreamdevicetobeinthesame
enclosureasthelowerrateddevice.
Andthecodeisnotadesignmanual.NEC90.1
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