Transcript for I Hear of Sherlock Everywhere Episode 119: A Brace

of Interviews

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Scott Monty: [00:00:23] I Hear of Sherlock Everywhere Episode 119: A Brace of Interviews.

Charles Gray: [00:00:28] I had a shallow grave with this issue because it was drawn.

Narrator: [00:00:35] In a world where it's always 1895, comes I Hear of Sherlock Everywhere, a
podcast for devotees of Mr. Sherlock Holmes, the world's first unofficial consulting detective.

Jeremy Kemp: [00:00:49] I've hear of you before. You're Holmes the meddler. Holmes the
busybody. Holmes the Scotland Yard jack-in-office.

Narrator: [00:00:55] The game's afoot as we discuss goings on in the world of Sherlock Holmes
enthusiasts, the Baker Street Irregulars, and popular culture related to the great detective.

David Burke: [00:01:10] As we go to press, sensational developments have been reported.

Narrator: [00:01:17] So join your hosts, Scott Monty and Burt Wolder, as they talk about what's
new in the world of Sherlock Holmes.

Jeremy Brett: [00:01:23] You couldn't have come at a better time! You couldn't have come at a
better time!

Scott Monty: [00:01:33] It's time, it's time, it's TIME! Once again for I Hear of Sherlock
Everywhere. The first podcast for Sherlock Holmes devotees where it's always 1895. I'm Scott
Monty.

Burt Wolder: [00:01:47] And I'm Burt Wolder.

Scott Monty: [00:01:48] And we are so delighted that you've taken the time out of your own busy
schedule. And we don't care whether that schedule means working, taking care of small children,
helping the elderly, or maybe just lounging and idling as you do every day. We're just glad that
you're here.

Burt Wolder: [00:02:08] Or taking care of elderly small children that you put to work.

Scott Monty: [00:02:14] And we hope that you're kind to animals wherever you go.

Burt Wolder: [00:02:19] Yes always remember friends. The motto of the I Hear of Sherlock team
which is: "it's an hour of your life you'll never get back."

Scott Monty: [00:02:31] Well you know before editing it's much longer than that. So.

Burt Wolder: [00:02:34] Well that's true.

Scott Monty: [00:02:35] We're doing you a service folks.

Burt Wolder: [00:02:37] We are -- oh go ahead, talk to us. Yes go ahead.

Scott Monty: [00:02:41] It could be a lot worse. That's all I'm saying is that we are saving you from
spending even more time with us.

Burt Wolder: [00:02:48] That's right. It's bad enough as it is. That's right. And so the game's afoot.

Scott Monty: [00:02:54] Well hey that's our opinion but what about what about your opinion? Are
we are we overboarding? Would you like to hear more? Would you like to hear less? Let us know.
Leave us a comment on the website.

Burt Wolder: [00:03:07] Waterboarding.

Scott Monty: [00:03:08] What's that?

Burt Wolder: [00:03:09] Are we waterboarding?

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Burt Wolder: [00:06:32] And it's so consistent with trends in popular culture today, friends. We
live in an age when everything is coming back: beards, tattoos, vinyl records. Why not the eleventh
century? It seems perfectly appropriate and just every one of these podcasts we have to fly over to
Britain to find out what's going on in the ancient Anglo-Saxon kingdom of Wessex. It's a lot of
effort but you are worth it.

Scott Monty: [00:07:00] Hmm that is true. Well we as threatened do have a brace of interviews so
brace yourselves. In this case we are taking our inspiration from the Canon itself. When Holmes
mentioned that he had oysters on a brace of grouse I believe that was in...oh, what story was that in?
The Sign of Four - that sounds familiar. The end of...what chapter was that? I'll go right up here and
say it's Chapter 9: A Break in the Chain. It ends with, "Well you are a master of the situation. I have
had no proof yet of the existence of this Jonathan small. However if you can catch him I don't see
how I can refuse you an interview with him." That of course is Athelney Jones and Holmes says
that is understood then perfectly. "Is there anything else?" "Only that I insist upon your dining with
us it will be ready in half an hour. I have oysters and a brace of grouse with something a little
choice in white wines. Watson you have never yet recognized my merits as a housekeeper."

Burt Wolder: [00:08:21] So when I was very young and read that for the first time I misread it and
I thought he was grousing about braces over the longest while I thought he just had bad orthodontia.

Scott Monty: [00:08:32] Braces of grouse. Well maybe this is something that we need to discuss
over in Trifles before we get to our brace of interviews. A brace of grouse is a pair. It's two grouse
or is that grice.

Burt Wolder: [00:08:48] No, no, that's the Grice Paterson case.

Scott Monty: [00:08:51] That's one of the -- oh boy, I don't know how many more tangents we can
find ourselves on at this point. At least a question: is a brace of grouse enough for enough to feed
three people? Or would Watson and Holmes have required their own grouse each?

Burt Wolder: [00:09:08] I just think this is completely. This is one of these things like people
wearing black armbands when Holmes fell off the Reichenbach. But I don't think there's any
support for it. First of all, you couldn't get braces onto a grouse. I mean even if you're not talking
about orthodontia - if you're just talking about regular brace on shoulders.

Scott Monty: [00:09:26] How about a retainer?

Burt Wolder: [00:09:29] But they don't have shoulders. You might manage a small belt, OK? But
there's no way you would need braces and a belt. That's just silly.

Scott Monty: [00:09:38] Now can you imagine? I mean it's bad enough that a grouse has to walk
around in braces but, braces and belt. Wow. Well let's let's move on from this before we do
irreparable damage -- additional irreparable damage -- to our reputation.

Burt Wolder: [00:09:56] Yes.

Scott Monty: [00:09:57] We have a couple of folks that I knew had the good fortune to run into an
recent events.

Burt Wolder: [00:10:04] Yes yes. And neither one of them were seriously harmed, although they
are our guests and they seem to speak for themselves. And let's start with our pal and fellow Baker
Street Babe. You know we are.

Scott Monty: [00:10:20] We don't play them up enough, do we?

Burt Wolder: [00:10:21] We do not we are a Baker Street Babes. And and today I'm not feeling
particularly babealicious but I hope that next week I will. But our pal Lindsay Faye has a new book
which is published in partnership with Otto at the Mysterious Press. And I was lucky enough to go
down to Ottos shop and spend some time with Lindsay. And rather than give you any further
introduction our whole interview is sort of self-explanatory and it sounds a lot like this.

Lyndsay Faye: [00:10:55] Hello my name is Lyndsay Fay, ASH, BSI, Baker Street Babe, Curious
Collector, among other things and I write mystery novels.

Burt Wolder: [00:11:06] With Dust And Shadow in 2009 Lyndsay Faye kicked off her career as a
novelist - a career that now includes the three Timothy Wilde novels which explore in New York
City in the middle of the 19th century, and Jane Steele, which re-imagines Jane Eyre as a gutsy
serial killer she she's continued to write about Sherlock Holmes through a series of short stories
now collected in the whole art of detection. And I asked her about that journey.

Lyndsay Faye: [00:11:36] What I initially wanted to do whenever I approached a short story and
ten of them were written for the Strand. So whenever I approached one I thought to myself which
parts of the canon do I find where do we find the gaps in the map. Joseph Conrad Heart of Darkness
style whereas the unexplored bit where I can dive into this part of the chronology and I think there
may be a little bit under-represented and I can talk about that. So this ended up spanning pretty
much all of their lives together. And once I realized that I had written stories that had started - there
are three of the stories in this collection that you heard before Baker Street that are along the lines
of the adventure of the Gloria Scott, for instance. There are ones that are the early years before
Professor Moriarty came on the scene. There are the ones that really deal with the aftermath of
Holmes's Death and Return. And are the ones that are closer to 1902. And so when I took the title
The Whole Art of Detection (I also of course consulted Otto), but it seemed like something that was
evocative of how I chronologically tried to put these stories together as I wrote them over the course
of about eight years.

Burt Wolder: [00:12:42] Successfully capturing the voice of these characters is a challenge and she
had some interesting thoughts about that.

Lyndsay Faye: [00:12:49] But I do find very specific stylistic quirks depending on what era the
canon I'm writing in if I'm going to sit down and write something from the early years, I'm probably
going to read "The Adventure of the Speckled Band" before I before I start tapping away at the
laptop. If on the other hand I want to write something from much later in their partnership, I'm
going to sit down and read "The Illustrious Client," or "The Priory School," and they really do
sound different as Conan Doyle himself evolved as a writer. And all I'm trying to do is be a good
mimic. So I didn't evolve but they certainly differed stylistically depending on what year they're
being set in.

Burt Wolder: [00:13:31] And then of course I had to ask about plotting. Conan Doyle had
remarked that he found plotting some of his stories a real challenge.

Lyndsay Faye: [00:13:42] A tip of my chapeau to Sir Arthur Conan Doyle. The plot. Absolutely.
Coming up with the plot is incredibly difficult and sometimes it's a thought exercise where I
approach it from what is a bizarre situation, it's a theoretical situation, and I could then ask myself a
bizarre question and then I could come up with the best way possible of solving it. Whatever
solution. Youou almost always have to start with the end. Otherwise it's extraordinarily difficult. So
for instance I don't know if Sir Arthur Conan Doyle ever asked himself, "What if you were asked to
join a league of red headed men and that was a circumstance that you were faced with?" I asked
myself for instance in "The Adventure of the Mad Baritone," what would happen if the same person
had been kidnapped from the streets of London three times kept in a room all night and then
released entirely unharmed back onto the streets of London? And then he had to account for this
then he had to go to Scotland Yard and say I've been kidnapped three times and then let go and the
Yard says, "You're crazy," and Sherlock Holmes says "You're not crazy; I'm going to figure this
out." So sometimes it starts with that and sometimes the plots evolve out of out of the characters
because I want to find a situation that would elaborate more about the friendship and that would
elaborate more about the relationships between not only comes from Watson actually but Holmes
and Lestrade for instance features really heavily and one of them. What was Lestrade's opinion of
Holmes vanishing for three years and not telling anybody? And then these are all quite close
coworkers, right? And then coming back and trying to fix the aftermath of that. So if I have a
character-driven short story in front of me and I think OK this is this is the inspiration for it. What
kind of case would enable them to actually start -- these very reticent individuals, these highly
British individuals -- what would actually enable them to start having this conversation and what
would crack that nut? And so it almost always starts one of those two ways.

Burt Wolder: [00:15:46] And the book's had a great reception.

Lyndsay Faye: [00:15:49] It is already in the second printing and I'm flabbergasted but I'm honored
and humbled. And yeah it's been amazing to watch. I actually didn't expect there to be a lot of
notice for a short story collection -- specifically just because the structure was that of a short story
collection -- and you know not even to be reviewed very much and the reviews have all been so far
incredibly flattering and the fact that it's already gone into another printing is beyond my wildest
dreams for having you know spent this amount of time over almost a decade now having written the
short stories always with the idea that one day Otto and I would do this, that one day Otto Penzler
and I would put together this collection and that it would all live together and it would have a
couple of new stories to boot. There are two that have never previously been published before. So
I'm just thrilled by it and very grateful.

Burt Wolder: [00:16:44] And there you are.

Scott Monty: [00:16:46] Well we are grateful too. I mean Lyndsay really has a remarkable talent
for capturing the voice and style of Conan Doyle and of Watson, obviously. Her work has been
recognized again and again for its excellence. We know that she's been nominated I think a couple
of times for Edgar awards at least Jane Steel most steel most recently. Yeah. And. She's another one
that was. Maybe The Gods of Gotham too. Another one. One of the Timothy Wilde novels. So she
is. She's just got a knack for period writing. I certainly have a novel level. And clearly this you
know this short story collection that the very fact that it is already in a second printing indicates her
ability there as well. And there's just been a rebirth of interest in pastiches and particularly in the
same medium in which Conan Doyle originally published the short story format. And we've seen it
with the MX Book of Sherlock Holmes Stories which is now I think of putting it seventh volume,
we see it through Otto's continued collection of his Big Book series. Of course he did the Big Book
of Sherlock Holmes Stories recently but he's you know in Episode 87 he talked with us about the
many Big Books that he does. So I think Lyndsay was wise to hitch her wagon to Otto's star or vice
versa. And the two of them together I think make a just a powerful pair when it comes to
publishing. Sherlockian short stories.

Burt Wolder: [00:18:46] But isn't that interesting you know thinking about plotting that are
starting late for some of these things you know to think about improbable events. And I love that --
I've got to read that particular story in her new collection because I am happy to have it, but I have
not at any time to read it yet. But that's very interesting that somebody who's kidnapped three times
and returned unharmed to the streets of London. I think that's very clever. And how interesting you
know to recognize that the voices change over time, and so you're writing about something early in
the relationship to have a look at the Speckled Band let's say really really clever stuff.

Scott Monty: [00:19:33] Absolutely - I think I think clever is the perfect adjective to describe
Lyndsay.

Scott Monty: [00:19:38] And you will find this of interest because, unfortunately it was pretty full
house in Otto's, so that my recording is pretty noisy in the background. But in the background you
can hear cocktails being shaken. And Lyndsay's husband Gabe, who is a professional expert in the
cocktail world. As he sometimes does serving cocktails and he was serving his signature mystery
cocktail the Jezzail Bullet. And after a couple of those you can't tell the difference between your
shoulder or your leg.

Scott Monty: [00:20:13] Those Jezzail Bullets - they'll go right through you.

Burt Wolder: [00:20:16] Yeah. And I found out the secret ingredients as well.

Scott Monty: [00:20:21] What's that?

Burt Wolder: [00:20:22] Oh I can't tell you. It's a secret.

Scott Monty: [00:20:23] Lead. That's what they serve up in Flint.

Burt Wolder: [00:20:32] Excellent.

Scott Monty: [00:20:34] Well what a great time to pause and reflect and hear from our good
friends. At the Baker Street Journal.

Scott Monty: [00:20:43] The cult of Sherlock Holmes is really like a cult of personality in some
ways. After all. Isn't it because of the interesting main characters that we remain interested in the
stories? The clients and minor players change from story to story. But it's Sherlock Holmes and
Doctor Watson who are with us tale after tale. And it's their unique personalities that drive our
interest. The quirky, sometimes unpredictable behavior of Holmes. Will he retain that cat-like love
of personal cleanliness? Or will the Baker Street rooms be strewn with plugs and dottles of his
pipes, and papers? And the stalwart unflappable John H. Watson, MD, who in so many ways
represents us as we look at the strange world of which is apart from. But the cult of personality
extends to the people we meet through this hobby. People like Lyndsay Faye and Ed Pettit people
whose work you'll read in the pages of the Baker Street Journal, quarter after quarter, year after
year. Subscribers to the BSJ are treated to the inner workings of the minds of Sherlockians. And
we're better off for that. Isn't it time that you exposed yourself to the many facets of Sherlockian
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Burt Wolder: [00:22:11] And to say that that's not enough. You know you want more for your
money. I had a invitation some weeks ago. Well actually I attended an early meeting of a new
Sherlockian group that are now Anastasia Klimchinskaya.

Scott Monty: [00:22:30] That's easy for you to say.

Burt Wolder: [00:22:31] No it's not. And her compatriots have started in beautiful Philadelphia.
This is the Ancient Order of Free Sherlockians. I love that.
Scott Monty: [00:22:43] Can a new group be an ancient order?

Burt Wolder: [00:22:46] Well sure we've just. Who knows how long it's been under the currents?
You know probably since the oh I don't know 13th century, 14th century. If not under the currents,
next to the dates. Ot probably over by the prunes. Nut I think it has a long history of at least several
months. And it's actually a terrific group Steve and Janice Rothman were there and.

Scott Monty: [00:23:09] You mean Janice Fisher and Steve Rothman.

Burt Wolder: [00:23:12] Yes Janice Fisher and Steve Rothman. Oh wait a minute isn't it Steve
Fisher and Janice Rothman? I haven't gone fishing for Rothmans in a long time. First of all I can't
get the filters and the end of the hook.

Scott Monty: [00:23:25] Alright, alright. Reel it in.

Burt Wolder: [00:23:30] And the game's afoot.

Scott Monty: [00:23:31] Yes.

Burt Wolder: [00:23:34] And how did I get started with this? Oh, the Ancient Order of Free
Sherlockians had a meeting on Shakespeare's birthday April 23rd in conjunction with a wonderful
talk given by one of the members of the Ancient Order, Ed Pettit in conjunction with the Rosenbach
Library's exhibition on crime, criminals, and things Sherlockian. And I had a lovely opportunity to
talk for about 10 minutes afterwards with the member of the scion and Ed Pettit about the exhibition
and some of the really interesting things that are in there. And this is sort of a self-contained
conversation that began with me asking him to introduce - not unusually - asking him to introduce
and so perfect.

Ed Pettit: [00:24:23] I'm Edward G. Pettit. I am the manager of public programs at the Rosenbach
Museum and Library in Philadelphia.

Burt Wolder: [00:24:30] And what is the Rosenbach Library?

Ed Pettit: [00:24:32] The Rosebach is a historic house and a collection of books from the
Rosenbach brothers -- Philip Rosenbach and A.S.W. Rosenbach were antique dealers; Philip was
the antique dealer and ASW was the book collector and they had a long time book selling business
in the first half of the 20th century. ASW Rosenbach was the most famous bookseller in the world,
he was called at one point. And when he died he bequeathed the rest of his collection and the you
know the unsold stock from the books into a museum.

Burt Wolder: [00:25:09] And this is a we're in a fabulous exhibit called -- what's the title of it?

Ed Pettit: [00:25:14] It's called Clever Criminals and Daring Detectives. And it's part of this whole
project with the Free Library of Philadelphia called We the Detectives. And the Free Library and
their rare book department has their own exhibition called Becoming the Detective. And it's all
about the history of not just criminal literature but then the whole mystery detective fiction
throughout the 20th century. There's also a interactive theatrical experience at the Free Library of
Philadelphia called Gumshoe put together by a group called New Paradise Laboratories in
Philadelphia and it's an immersive experience where you go through behind the scenes of the library
to solve this strange mystery about this manuscript from these Poe collectors and rows and back and
is it real and where do they come from and then it takes you from that location at the Free Library
of Philadelphia down 20th Street about five or six blocks to our building.
Burt Wolder: [00:26:09] So this is something families could do in an afternoon.

Ed Pettit: [00:26:12] Absolutely. I think let's say at the Gumshoe is an hour and a half long, but
you could also see the exhibit there first and then do the Gumshoe, or are happier and then come
here. So yeah it's a nice family event.

Burt Wolder: [00:26:24] And this is a remarkable survey of grisly crime criminals and detection
over the years. One of the things you mentioned in your remarks was how that focus on crime
mirrored developments in society that in the early days you were sort of expected to be found out by
a higher Providence perhaps but eventually there evolved to serve the profession of the detective.
Can you talk a little bit about that?

Ed Pettit: [00:26:53] Sure. I mean and this exhibition started as a 17th century text of a criminal
biography a crime that happened and who did it and how he was discovered and then it goes
through the 18th century criminal biographies -- things like the Newgate Calendar which was
published in America. I love that in America the the criminal publication was called the American
Bloody Register. And there are these great accounts of great crime. And they are they're enjoyable
to read if you like this kind of you know crime literature and crime stories. But but the biggest
difference in them is that there seems to be this kind of Providence at work that if you commit a
horrific crime, it will be discovered. And criminals are caught -- and it's more crimes are and
criminals are revealed in earlier centuries. And I think that's not just in the literature about it. That's
the way people felt that you would just it would come out that you were revealed. And it kind of
goes back to that you know the old story that you know if you bring the criminal in front of their
victim the murder victim that the the the corpse will bleed in the presence of the person who did it,
that there is some supernatural means at work. And by the 19th century this stops; in the 19th
century people or developing societies are developing ways to catch criminals and methods of
detection. And it's interesting that it all happens at the same and it happens in real life at the same
time as the fictional detectives are being created. You know in France with the Emil Gaboreau's
Msr. Lecoq and then in America with Edgar Allan Poe's C. August Dupin - these are detectives who
were using reason and analysis to discover who committed a crime. And it's an analysis and
weighing evidence and it's the scientific method that is able to catch criminals, not some
providential revelation.

Burt Wolder: [00:28:53] And one of the unique things about this exhibition is that you start with
Poe, or center a good deal on Poe and have a rare opportunity to see an actual Poe manuscript.

Ed Pettit: [00:29:06] You know we have two pages the manuscript for the "Murders in the Rue
Morgue," which is the first mystery detective story written in the English language the Free Library
of Philadelphia has that entire manuscript of 17 pages, and they've loaned us two pages of it, and
they have some of the pages in their exhibit as well. And that's a story that was originally called --
and we know this only because of the manuscript -- that it's not called Murders in the Rue Morgue,
it's called Murders in the Rue Trianon Bas. And then it's crossed off and "Rue Morgue" is written
over it -- which is a much better name for you know this murder story that he's written. And it's a
beautiful hand -- and not just because it needs to be a neat hand for the typesetter, but all Poe's
handwriting is very neat in all of his letters. So it's and it's amazing that this manuscript survived; it
only survived because the assistant at the typesetters for the magazine where it was published takes
it out of the trash and takes it home and it survives two fires and it's doused with water and it's
thrown away and it's just -- the owner just somehow manages to keep to maintain possession even
with all these calamities until it's not be sold to a book collector. By that time by the late 19th
century by the 1880s they realized a Poe manuscript is valuable and it's the only story manuscript of
Poe's that has survived.
Burt Wolder: [00:30:31] And then you move on to Arthur Conan Doyle who in his earliest
writings acknowledged his indebtedness to Poe.

Ed Pettit: [00:30:38] He did and he acknowledges that two ways which is great because Doyle
himself acknowledges that he has this one great quote about you know we all follow in the footsteps
of Poe and Poe drops the seeds from which all you know so many kinds of literature grow and
Doyle. There's a lot of great Poe quotes from Doyle the writer. But also Sherlock Holmes talks
about Poe or talks about Dupin in his stories and Poe's detective and how you know he's you know
not as you know that Sherlock is a better detective than Dupin I think is where he winds up talking
about how you get the double connection. And Doyle was very much indebted to Poe and knew it
and admitted that his greatest character Sherlock Holmes is based on or inspired by or has parallels
with. Because there are certainly differences between Sherlock Holmes and C. August Dupin, but
they are both detectives who are absolutely brilliant who have a kind of assistant narrator who don't
think highly of the police and and understand that that the investigation is not really even about the
crime or the solution. It's more about this process whereby it's discover that fascinating way, and
both detectives Dupin and Holmes love this -- you know, figuring out this analytical reasoning they
can use to figure out how a crime was committed and who committed the crime. And in our
exhibition we have part of the collection at the Rosenbach. We have we have some Conan Doyle
books and ASW Rosenbach was a Conan Doyle collector. At one point he had he obtained Conan
Doyle's criminological library that he had put amassed over the years. And one of the things we
have is we have the manuscript for "The Empty House," which is the story right after "The Final
Problem" - the short story -- The Hound of the Baskervilles was in between but The Empty House
Holmes returns, and Doyle bows to the pressure. Everyone wants more Sherlock Holmes stories so
he writes The Empty House. And the pages we have opened which is very nice is the is the
revelation in the story where Holmes reveals himself to Watson and Watson says "I fainted for the
first and last time of my life."

Burt Wolder: [00:33:04] And you mentioned the Poe manuscript surviving all these fires. You
know it sounds like it kept kept coming back again and again from the dead. And oddly enough you
end this exhibition with someone else who kept coming back and back from the dead: Dracula.
There are notes here from Bram Stoker.

Ed Pettit: [00:33:21] Yet a part one of the greatest parts of the Rosenblat collection is we have the
notes for -- Bram Stoker's notes for the novel Dracula. He wrote --researched and wrote-- the novel
over the course of about seven years and amassed a giant file of notes in doing that. And we have
those notes which talk about-- they're outlines and ideas of some of the things never made it into the
book. His whole list of characters from the text is to you know other characters who were named
that he winds up not using. It is interesting that he does have a detective at one point in his notes as
a character and then doesn't use it. And I think it especially works with this exhibition because part
of tracking the story is a detective story. It is a -- Van Helsing and Mina, and Jonathan, and Arthur
and Dr. Seward investigating and finding out what Dracula is doing. I mean the crime that has been
committed you know and how you know Lucy Westenra has been bitten by Dracula. And finding
out where he is and where he stored his boxes, so there's a mystery part that goes onto that novel as
well. And we have a few pages of notes here that people can look at. People can look at those all the
time too. Our collection's open to the public. You can set up an appointment at the Rosenbach and
say "I'd like to see the Bram Stoker's notes," and we'd say, "Sure," and you can come in and we'll
bring you up to the library into the reading room and we'll bring the notes out and you can look at
them. And we do hands on tours every Friday in which we take out pieces of our collection and we
have a Dracula one where you come up and I take out the the notes and not only do I explain them
but I pass them around and it's a hands-on tour you can actually handle these materials.
Burt Wolder: [00:35:13] And this exhibition runs until when?

Ed Pettit: [00:35:16] This exhibition runs through August. I think September first or second it
might be I'm not sure the exact date, but it runs through the summer and then the same thing with
the Free Libraries at the rare books department there.

Burt Wolder: [00:35:43] I couldn't resist that sting at the end.

Scott Monty: [00:35:46] What was that.

Burt Wolder: [00:35:47] It's a Creative Commons mystery sting that I found. Isn't it lovely?

Scott Monty: [00:35:52] Yes it is. Yes. Yes.

Burt Wolder: [00:35:54] You know enough to bring it back for some interviews. But isn't that an
interesting conversation? It's fascinating to see all this and the whole thing is beautifully designed.
You know the typography and the graphics, the layout - it was a very nice visit. and I'll tell you one
of the interesting things that I didn't mention is that there are letters there from Morley to
Rosenbach and Rosenbach back to Morley -- and apparently, one of the issues that they were
writing about was our old friend Adrian Conan Doyle had tumbled to the fact that this fellow
Rosenbach apparently was in possession of his father's criminological library. And Adrian wanted
the FBI to find out how it was stolen from the family. Well. So you know these letters back and
forth between Morley and Rosenbach and the tone of the letters was you know 'Adrian is a
crackpot. I bought this at Sotheby's 15 years ago.' This was something the family you know put up
for sale.

Scott Monty: [00:37:03] Right. Right.

Burt Wolder: [00:37:04] And so Morley was asking him you know send me a list of what's in there
and so on and so forth. But I thought of that when I went back recently and re-read -- I've been
rereading some of the older Baker Street Journals in the first series in 1948 and you'll appreciate
this from the standpoint of Michigan: there's an entry here in Volume 3, Number 4 of the Baker
Street Journal. It's the scion report from the Amateur <endicant Society of Detroit. And officers
Russell McGlaughlin. And he get toward towards the end of this and they not minutes say,"The
meeting then turned to consideration of the recent misadventure of Adrian Conan Doyle." Now
apparently. this really happened. I never heard about this but Adrian Conan Doyle, "who had been
bitten by an adder on his Minstead estate, receiving no greater damage than a swollen arm. The
adder was made the subject of one of the most complicated motions of the society in its
parliamentary history. The motion carried three clauses. First, the adder was commended for a
notable effort to the right direction. Second, he was censured for having begun so well ending so
ineffectually. And third, he was proposed for honorary membership in the Speckled Band of
Boston, the Mendicants formally recognizing their lack of authority, but making the
recommendation notwithstanding.

Scott Monty: [00:38:33] Good old Amateur Mendicants -- they still retain their sense of humor
locally here. No question about that. Well-- oh, and I was delighted to hear once again of Dr.
Rosenbach applying his medical ministries to books rather than the patients.

Burt Wolder: [00:38:56] Yeah you know I hope to get one of my prescriptions we knew that he
wasn't doing any of that.

Scott Monty: [00:39:01] [Imitating Bob Katz] "He's not a physician!"

Scott Monty: [00:39:08] Good. Good. Well I think that that about does it for our brace of
interviews here fascinating conversations with two very fascinating individuals. All that remains
really is for folks to pony up and head over to Patreon nd look for. I Hear of Sherlock there --
support us in any way that you see fit or just hit that PayPal button right on ihearofsherlock.com.
We've had some recent donations coming in and we do thank you for that both for the Trifles
podcast as well as for IHOSE proper.

Burt Wolder: [00:39:47] Now I have to ask you, did the last -- the last podcast I introduced a new
spot. Did that have any help with donations?

Scott Monty: [00:39:56] I think it did actually. We got a guffaw from Mary Miller.

Burt Wolder: [00:40:03] Oh good.

Scott Monty: [00:40:04] And I believe we did get a a well-intentioned donation after that.

Burt Wolder: [00:40:10] Oh good. Because not to push it too far. I do, I do have another one.

Scott Monty: [00:40:18] Well why don't you hang on to it for the next episode.

Burt Wolder: [00:40:21] Oh OK.

Scott Monty: [00:40:21] We we don't want to overwhelm people. We'll pace ourselves. Maybe
maybe we'll think about releasing it if we get more patrons.

Burt Wolder: [00:40:33] Oh that's a good idea. That's a very good point. Oh and there's always
something from the Sherlock Holmes Brand universe to listen to.

Scott Monty: [00:40:40] Always.

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Scott Monty: [00:41:38] That's a good looking cab.

Burt Wolder: [00:41:41] The nice thing is if you have one of these in New Jersey you can wave to
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Scott Monty: [00:41:50] But what if you're traveling miles instead of kilometers?

Burt Wolder: [00:41:53] Oh it doesn't work.

Scott Monty: [00:41:58] Oh, what a shame.

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Scott Monty: [00:42:04] Perfect. Well we thank the Sherlock Holmes Brand for its continued
sponsorship this year and I Hear of Sherlock Everywhere. And until we gather here next time mid-
month I will be forced to remain Scott Monty.

Burt Wolder: [00:42:21] And waiting for the bell as usual I'm Burt Wolder.

Scott Monty: [00:42:24] Ding ding ding!

Clive Merrison / Andrew Sachs: [00:42:27] The game's afoot!

Jeremy Brett: [00:42:29] You know, I am afraid that in the pleasure of this conversation, I am
neglecting business of importance which awaits me elsewhere.

Narrator: [00:42:44] Thank you for listening. Please be sure to join us again for the next episode of
I Hear of Sherlock Everywhere, the first podcast dedicated to Sherlock Holmes.

Jeremy Brett: [00:42:58] Goodbye. And. Good luck. And believe me to be, my dear fellow, very
sincerely yours, Sherlock Holmes.