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Meghan Coletta
Dr. Julie Payne-Kirchmeier is the Associate Vice President and Chief of Staff at
Northwestern University in Evanston, Illinois. She is also a Texan, not afraid to discuss politics,
and she is also one of the most down to earth people you will ever meet. When a Director of
Residence Life at a major institution that on the opposite side of the country says, If you do one
thing this year, meet Julie, then you know that the persons leadership skills speak for
themselves. Her understanding of leadership is values based but she names the complexity of
that and owns where she can improve as a leader. Conducting this interview with Dr. Payne-
Kirchmeier her multi-facetted leadership style showed through and various leadership theories
Transformational Leadership
It became obvious during our conversation that Dr. Payne- Kirchmeier views the values
that a leader holds and the action that they take based on those values as the measure of a good
leader. She is not interested in the position they might hold because she struggles with positional
power and how that continues to perpetuate hierarchical leadership. It is far more about vision,
values alignment, and a pretty strong thread of character, (J. Payne- Kirchmeier, personal
communication, October 13, 2016). That explanation closely mirrors how Northouse (2015)
describes transformational leadership. This type of leadership requires a level of influence from a
leader that has followers going above and beyond what they normally would. This theory ties
back to Dr. Payne-Kirchmeiers ideas of leadership through the factor of idealized influence that
have very high standards of moral and ethical conduct and can be counted on to do the
right thing. They are deeply respected by followers, who usually place a great deal of
trust in them. They provide followers with a vision and a sense of mission, (Northouse,
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2015, p. 167).
This type transformational leadership relies on a follower and leader dichotomy to function. It
gives the leader the power to be the social architect for the organization. These leaders
communicated a direction that transformed their organizations values and norms, (Northouse,
2015, p. 173). This is what Dr. Payne-Kirchmeier (personal communication, October 13, 2016).
For me there is a component of inspiration. Can you take this vision and align it with
your values that hopefully aligns with your organization and can you share that back to
inspire others to buy into not you but buy into a direction.
In transformational leadership the end goal is to create change for others. It gives the leader the
power to mold and influence the change that will affect the followers and the organization as a
invest a great deal into an organization to effect change. The one big question that remains is
who gets to decide what is transformational in a positive way and why do you they get to make
that determination. Is there a certain prototype or model for the type of leader that can effectively
enact that change? What kind of characteristics must they hold? Asking these questions and
having a clear understanding of how decisions are made within an organization is vitally
important because it will hold a leader accountable to those that are affected by their leadership.
Authentic Leadership
Authentic leadership is another theory that is crafted around the values of the leader. The
basis of this type of leadership is that those who practice authentic leadership are seen as
genuine and real. Authentic leaders understand their own values and behave toward others
based on these values, (Northouse, 2015 p. 198). This theory is contingent on idea that the
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leader is trustworthy and that they are morally just in the decisions that they are making. It can
be viewed as intrapersonal or interpersonal. Looking specifically at the leader and their internal
process of self-regulation and the stocks of knowledge that they hold as constants, it requires
them to engage in a reflection of how their leadership is developing, (Dugan, 2017). Being able
to unpack and reflect on their stocks of knowledge to know how they interpret rules or
assumptions that they might have about the world is an essential piece part of being a leader.
Considerable awareness of one's own personal and professional background and biases is useful
in developing greater facility to engage across differences, (Gallegos, 2014, pp. 182). It will
allow a leader to see where their vision of genuine and real, might differ from those that they
work with and for. It requires them to consider the intrapersonality of their role and the
relationship between the leaders and followers and the development that happens between them.
communication, October 13, 2016) was how an ethic of care comes into play in leadership,
We grow up to have more of lens of ethic of care and this is a more relational view
instead of a hierarchical view. So, when we come to the table with all these teachings and
learnings and all of the skills we have developed, there is a different level of emotional
intelligence that we bring to the space, which means that many times women get talked
Authentic leadership does not specifically state that an ethic of care is a necessary part of this
type of leadership though it does assume that leaders are considering the morality of their
actions. It is a relational theory that relies on the values and the ability of leaders to maintain
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their values without any checks or balances from those that follow them. When tested in
difficult situations, authentic leaders do not compromise their values, but rather use those
situations to strengthen their values, (Northouse, 2015, p. 199). This theory is one that places
the values and what is morally just on the shoulders of the leader. The question remains though
how can one person be expected to always be morally just or hold values constant that everyone
agrees with and molds after. Are there certain groups that create what those values should look
like and should an individual or a group have the sole power to do that? Looking back Dr. Payne
Kirchmeiers understanding of her identity as a leader as a woman are there certain aspects of
On the one hand, female leaders are expected to take charge and approach leadership in
the same ways as their male colleagues. On the other hand, female leaders are expected to
deliver the warmth and friendliness that is culturally prescribed for women, (Eagly &
Do these socially pre-determined traits create the space for certain groups to be formed in an
organization that are based on people prescribing to what a leader should be based on identities
that they hold? How does this affect the development of leaders within the organization and the
LMX theory suggests that it is important to recognize the existence of in-groups and
theory works under the assumption that two dichotomous groups exist in every organization that
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hold certain levels of power to accomplish goals and be effective. It encourages a leader to invest
more into the members of the in-group of an organization because those followers will be the
ones that allow the leader to delegate more and will bring more to the organization. The end goal
is the achievement of a mature partnership between the leader and their followers which is
Dr. Payne-Kirchmeier named an in-group that existed at an institution that she had been
employed. She gave them a different name of gatekeepers but the construct is still the same.
She voiced that she was able to create a good relationship with the administrative staff on the
campus because she deciphered the culture of the campus quickly and the power that the
administrative staff held. Her supervisor at the time, did not notice this and ended up in the out-
group unable to reap the benefits that the in-group was able to utilize. Dr. Payne-Kirchmeier had
to be the in between for her supervisor to the administrative staff. This situation begs the
question of why should there be dichotomy of in and out groups ? LMX is based on the idea that
more resources and effort should be exerted for members of the in-group because they deserve it
more. It also hangs on utilizing the normalize prototype of what a leader is with generalized
traits. Working with an in-group allows a leader to accomplish more work in a more effective
manner than he or she can accomplish working without one, (Northouse, 2015, p. 144). Dr.
Payne-Kirchmeier saw how her supervisor was being excluded from certain resources but as a
young professional who was not sure of her efficacy to navigate breaking down those in-groups
to allow a flow of resources instead pushing against a flow of power. Her identity as a woman
played into this situation as well as she named that she was friendly to the administrative staff
which is how she became a part of the in-group. Her supervisor who identified as male did not
take the same approach when interacting with the staff and was confused when his male
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leadership style did not get him what he wanted. Dr. Payne-Kirchmeier is acutely aware of how
her identities have played into the roles she has had and she acknowledges where her privilege
Dr. Payne-Kirchmeier (personal communication, October 13, 2016) was able to articulate
that it bothers her how male centric leadership continues to be and that it has been that way for a
long time. She also recognizes how her identities play into her ability to obtain leadership roles
When I champion and advocate for women, I have to be careful that I am not
championing and advocating for white women, in particular white heterosexual women.
So, for my sisters that are lesbian, bi, transgender, queer, questioning, gender fluid, I have
to be careful that what I say and how I behave are not excluding those groups. Same with
because it is so easy to just grab onto your feminist identity and go with it, (J. Payne-
Without knowing it she expressed that she was a part of the in-group but she numerous times
explained how she tries to ensure that others have a voice at the table because she knows as a
woman what it feels like to be silenced and does not want others to feel that way. She described
it well when she said, The value of the person is far greater than the value of the position, or the
perceived value, (J. Payne- Kirchmeier, personal communication, October 13, 2016).
Servant leadership by definition is about the behavior of a leader, not a trait that some
leaders might possess. Dr. Payne- Kirchmeier (personal communication, October 13, 2016).
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recognized that, I know a lot of folks that default to servant leadership and I do not think
describes it for me, there is an element of that though. I believe that there is more servant
leadership in her style than she might realize. Servant leadership is all about developing
followers which Dr. Payne-Kirchmeier denounced early on. Never once during the interview was
the word follower mentioned or used by Dr. Payne-Kirchmeier. She approaches leadership
with the idea that, I do not care what your position is and I do not like saying one position is
lower than others, (J. Payne-Kirchmeier, personal communication, October 13, 2016).
However, looking past the term follower that is used, I believe that a reconstruction of
this theory that places engaging in critical self-reflection on the leader would allow them to be
the most effective for those that report to them. Servant leadership, allows leaders to understand
the abilities, needs, and goals of followers, which, in turn allows these followers to achieve their
full potential, (Northouse, 2015, p. 239). That idea more directly aligns with the way that Dr.
Payne-Kirchmeier self-describes her approach to leadership. Leaders need to find some way of
getting inside members minds to understand what it is like to be a subordinate in this setting and
to appreciate what followers most want from their leaders and from the organization, (Preskill,
& Brookfield, 2009, pp. 43). The lack of this type of critical self-reflection is a way that servant
leadership is ineffective when used universally. Ensuring that a leader is aware of their identities
and reflecting on their leadership skills will allow them to best serve people.
Dr. Payne-Kirchmeier sees students specifically as a core piece to her work. Anyone that
reports to her will tell you that students are first and foremost and everything that they do
supports them (J. Payne-Kirchmeier, personal communication, October 13, 2016). Allowing
herself to take a step back to assess how well she is serving students, creates accountability for
her actions and may require her to readjust some goals or revise her values accordingly. To give
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up control rather than seek control is the goal of servant leadership. Servant leadership is an
influence process that does not incorporate influence in a traditional way, (Northouse, p. 240).
She identifies that she does not want to have influence just because of her position or the power
that she might hold. She wants to be able to do that because of the great work she is doing.
Another aspect of her leadership that Dr. Payne-Kirchmeier identified was the
combination of servant leadership with a lens of social justice. There is a lack of consideration
about how even the term follower can create efficacy issues for leaders that might hold target
identities which is a clear weakness of the theory. Taking the time to examine how social justice
would play into the themes and ideas of servant leadership would allow the theory to be used
more universally. It would allow many different types of leaders to see themselves as having
leadership potential in many different ways instead of having the leader holding all the power for
One aspect that I think is missing from Dr. Payne-Kirchmeiers approach to leadership is
the consideration about where the values and ethics of a leader come from. Who holds
individuals and organizations accountable? What are good ethics and values? Do we let
society define that, our political party, our religion, or do we self-define it? One consideration is
utilizing a utilitarianism approach which, weighs the possible costs and benefits of moral
choices. According to this approach, you should seek to do the greatest good for the greatest
number of people, (Johnson, 2015, pp. 176). However, that approach does not account for doing
what is good for the greatest number of people may end up being a mistake. Dr. Payne-
Kirchmeier discussed her view of mistakes and stressed the importance of sincerely apologizing
when a mistake is made. I really struggled with that early on, as a young professional, this
whole obsession with perfection and overworking to obtain perfection which you cannot obtain
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believe having the maturity to own up to your mistakes and ensure that steps are taken to prevent
it from happening again is necessary as a leader. For many people, I think a good leader may
be defined as someone who does not make mistakes but that is unrealistic expectation and it
misses the idea that we learn from our mistakes and do better because of them. What is even
more imperative is a leader needs to be able to be recognize how their stocks of knowledge that
are embedded within themselves and their spheres of influence caused them that may have
caused them to unintentionally make a mistake. Johnson (2015, pp.198) deciphers the value of
mistakes when they stated, Evaluate the quality of the decision-making process, not the
outcome; do not condemn those who make good-quality decisions only to see them turn out
badly. Being willing to apologize as a leader when a mistake is made is not easy but a leader
that has the humility to do it effectively and create positive change from that is something that is
Higher education is a face paced environment and that can lead to professionals not
taking the time to intentionally reflect on many things. Such things as their social identities
within social justice constructs, how they are performing in their position, and the work-life
negotiation that must happen to have a purpose outside of work. This plays into leadership
because those not engaging in some or all of these pieces leads to overworked and stressed out
individuals that are not able to come to the table at their best as a leader in any capacity. I agree
with Dr. Payne-Kirchmeier that many people default to servant leadership because I believe it
aligns with higher education as a helping field. However, I think the detriment to utilizing
servant leadership as an end all be all in higher education is that helping others too much does
also challenging their stereotypical notions of leadership will benefit institutions long term.
Dr. Payne- Kirchmeier said it best when she said, The imposter syndrome sneaks up on
you all the time, (J. Payne-Kirchmeier, personal communication, October 13, 2016). Dr. Payne-
Kirchmeiers ability to openly express her struggle with imposter syndrome shows her humility
in her leadership which is rare. Despite the vast research around leadership that exists, I believe
that the most important thing a leader can do is unpack what a leader should look like and
allowing individuals what that looks like to them. This can only occur through deliberate self-
reflection of their values, identities, and ethics. It is a developmental process that should not have
an end.
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