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Ive read that in order to build a skyscraper, you have to dig about 1/3 of the height
of the building into the ground in order to establish the necessary foundation.
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Thats a great metaphor for the Plutonian process to plumb depth in order to
reach height. It also conveys the sense of heavy, massive structure that can be built Pluto Ascendant Aspect:
through deeply committed effort. Becoming A Different Person
Arnold Schwarzeneggers horoscope has Pluto conjunct Saturn in Leo, and so does Pluto Saturn Aspect:
lm maestro Steven Spielbergs natal chart. These are extremely motivated Empowerment of Ambition
individuals that attained prominence through massive accomplishments of their
ambitions the living examples of Pluto-Saturn aspect potential.
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If you have Pluto conjunct, square or opposite Saturn in your natal chart, you 12th House Planets: How to
probably sense this potential for massive accomplishment within yourself. This Identify Self Limiting Patterns
energy needs a constructive outlet and a goal toughenough to challenge it.
Mars Saturn Aspects: Shadow vs
Conscious Expression
Transit Pluto Conjunct, Square, Opposition Saturn: Threat of Loss,
or a Period of Hard Work Moon Saturn Aspects: Emotional
Growth through Time
Transit or solar arc Pluto conjunct, square or oppositenatal Saturn is often
associated with a threat of loss in any area of life. It could be a creative destruction Uranus Pluto Transit: Time for
in that it opens the way for a new beginning, but nevertheless it feel formidable. Necessary Changes
Still, this transitcarries potential for extreme empowerment of ambition. At the Exploring the Quindecile Aspect
very least, this is a period that demandshard, hard work to achieve ones goals.
Saturn Neptune Aspect: In
Between Two Worlds
If Pluto-Saturn transit results in an actual loss or a threat of loss, consider whether
this period is forcing you to dig deeper to ndyour internal resources, so that Relationship Astrology:
youll gainenough power to accomplish your life goals later on. Sun/Moon Midpoint in Synastry
MercuryUranusAspect:InnovativeIdeas
MoonPlutoAspect:Emotional
Transformation
SunSaturnAspect:TapintoYourStrength
MarsRetrograde2016DontStop
SunNeptuneAspect:RealizingYour
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Saturn (when developed) acts asyour innerwise old man. At other times, Saturn
is your inner giant that swallows your creativity and positive motivation(recall the
myth of Cronus eating his children.) In early life, Saturn most often represents the
father.
Mars and Saturndo not always get along, because Mars is hot and Saturn is cold (in
a psychological sense). When you have these two planets in hard aspect
(conjunction, square or opposition), youll most likely experiencechallenges in
integrating both energies successfully. In this article, well explore the dark side of
Mars Saturn aspects (especially conjunction, square or opposition) and then look
atways to unlocktheir constructive expression.
Unless your natal Mars or Saturn happens to be wellplaced (in Capricorn, for
example), hard aspects between themtend to be experiencedin their shadow
form, at least in the beginning.
If your father was emotionally absent, excessively angry or irresponsible, you may
have grown up with a father wound that resulted in underdevelopedmasculinity
(regardless of your gender.) Until you get to the root of the father wound, you may
feel a sense of weakness or even futility when trying to assert yourself or to
accomplish your goals in the world.
Is they overcompensate and try to act strong. Mars-Saturn aspects reputation for
ruthless, controllingand even brutal behaviors could actually be originating from a
deep feeling of powerlessness. Such dominant behaviors are usually a repeat of the
fathers pattern (who in turn may have been overcompensating for his own sense of
powerlessness.)
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may have had to hold the anger inside, learning notto assert yourself while
seething with resentment on theinside.
Its easy to imagine how either of the above patterns could create problems in later
life.
While there are no quick xes, recognizing the father wound and accepting its pain
is certainly the beginning of healing. By separating from the dysfunctional patterns
modeled by yourfather, youll be able to choose a different, wiser application of
your energy.
From experience, you learn how to work with anger in relationships. Youve
learned that dominating or controlling others do not work, and neither did
suppressing anger.
What youve learned is a middle path a conscious restraint of the anger that you
fully feel. This is zen territory, and monks talk about it. One book I highly
recommendin this regard is Robert Blys Alittle book onthe human shadow, where
the poetdiscusses this very process.
Noel Tyl uses phrases like Resourcefulness and Indomitable Will to describe
Mars Saturn aspect. Once the emotional stoppage is removed, your doors to
achievements open. You can direct this energy in any arena physical, intellectual,
spiritualor organizational.
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Shadow Manifestation:If your father held negative views about you and/or himself,
you might have accepted the limiting perception aboutyourself as truth. As a
result, you may be repeating much of the disempowering, frustrated patterns your
father exhibited.
Mars SquareSaturn
Core Theme:Tension and Development.
Conscious Expression:Once you begin healing the father wounds and let go of
stored resentment, there will be considerable energy available for long term
development. This aspect suggests indomitable will.
Mars OppositionSaturn
Core Theme:Awarenessand Projection.
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1) Parents divorced in 1939. After a brief stay with her father, Julia went to live with
her mother, who got remarried to singer/performer Ted Andrews around 1940.
Together, her parents made a living performing music/singing in wartime London.
Astrologically, transiting Neptune was crossing the Ascendant (ASC) during 1939-
1940. This is typically a lonely time with major status change in the family which
it was for her.
2) In 1945 her family moved back to her birth town. She began to perform on stage
with her parents at age 10. Solar Arc Neptune was conjunct her Sun. Neptune and
Venus gure prominently in any musical performers life events, and this is very
pronounced in Julie Andrews case as well.
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Pretty emphatic! Note how Sun, Moon and Angles are all involved at this
breakthrough time period. SP Moon seems to be the trigger that activate the
background transit (Uranus-MC) and Arcs.
4) On 11/1/1948 Julie Andrews became the youngest solo performer to sing before
the Royal Family. SA MC=Sun, tr Pluto conj Moon, tr Jupiter conj 4th cusp (i.e.
opposing MC).
5)Broadway debut (playing the role of Polly Browne in The Boy Friend) on
9/30/1954.
SA Venus=ASC exact. SA Jup=Mar, SA Plu=Moon; tr Nep conj Sun/Moon midpoint;
tr Ura ruling 5th square Sun/Moon.
8) There is a series of major Awards won between 1964-1966. tr Saturn conj Saturn
(aka Saturn return) during 1964-1965. 1965 saw the movie release of the musical
The Sound of Music, arguably taking Andrews career and popularity into a whole
new level (a tting Saturn return event). SA Venus=Sun during 1966, tr Pluto conj
Neptune during 10/64~8/65.
9) Married Blake Edwards, her current husband, in 1969. tr Pluto conj ASC
throughout 1969; SA MC=Pluto, SA Sat=Sun (last one is a bit wider than the 30 orb
for Solar Arc.)
10) She developed a voice problem and had to quit Broadway in 1997. Tr Plu ruling
3rd (voice) square Saturn throughout 1997; tr Neptune sq Sun/Moon (note that
when she debuted on Broadway she had tr Neptune conj Sun/Moon.)
Pluto-Saturn transits suggests a threat of loss, and this is exactly what happened to
her here. She never regained her singing voice.
11) Toward the end of 1999 she sued the doctors involved in her operation. In New
Year of 2000 she was made Dame Commander of the British Empire. SA Pluto=AP.
tr Pluto conj Mars (these suggest aggressive action); tr Uranus sq Moon. SA Jupiter
= Sun/Moon (this suggests reward and honor).
As we can see from the Angular involvement punctuating important events, the
6:00AM time seems to work really well. Corroboration of astrological event is
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What we know about synastry can be applied to key developmental events as well.
Take Saturn return for example: Among other things, some women get married or
have a child (i.e. become a mother) at that time.
In the case of a childbirth during Saturn return, this suggests that the babys Saturn
will be conjunct the mothers natal Saturn in a way, the birth of the baby becomes
the mothers Saturn, i.e. responsibility, necessary control, hard work and growth in
maturity.
There are several insights that can occur from this way of thought:
If a new development (e.g. career, marriage, divorce, birth, death etc) occurs
during a key Saturnian time in your life (not just Saturn return, but also
including Saturn opposition and squares), the implication is that it is going to
have a Saturnian impact on you for a long time to come.
If a new development occurs during the Uranus opposition around age 42, then
(following the same pattern of thought) it will have a Uranian impact possibly
liberating and intensifying the ego. You can do this with Neptune and Pluto
also.
In the case of Jupiter, think of the Jupiter return that occurs every 12 years. The
event that happens at that time will be Jupiter-like, i.e. it may help to expand
your mind, give you opportunities to see more of the world, make you feel
more condent and optimistic, etc. This is because the event charts Jupiter
will be conjunct your natal Jupiter, affecting your horoscope in the same way.
Conclusion
Thinking about Saturn return and other key times in terms of the event chart and
synastry may give you a deeper insight into their meanings. For instance, you may
appreciate the implication of your birthday even more if you see that the birthday
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events horoscope (also called a Solar Return chart) will have its Sun conjunct your
natal Sun, in effect having a Solar effect, making you feel self-aware, centered and
important.
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Natal:
2)Sun in Leo in 6th, ruling the 7th: The energy to be recognized by the public,
through work and service. The need for public recognition and service is
accentuated through the Angular position of the Sun, also being the co-nal
dispositor of the horoscope.
3)Moon in Gemini ruling the 6th house: the need to communicate about work and
service. The Moons communicative need uses the theatrical energy of the Leo Sun,
making him a dramatic public communicator. The Moon is further elevated
through its contact with the Midheaven.
4)Aquarius rising further accentuates the need to help others through innovative
ideas directed to all. Uranus, the ruler of the Aquarius Ascendant, is peregrine
(ptolemically unaspected), which makes this need a dominating factor of the
horoscope.
5)Saturn Retrograde suggests passive or absent father gure; Uranus conjunct the
Nodal axis further suggests the important inuence of the maternal gure
perhaps in shaping him to be the intellectual humanitarian. We know that Obamas
parents divorced when he was two, and his grandmother (his mothers mother) is a
crucial gure in his development (Obama referred to her as the person that made
him who he is today.)
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6)Jupiter conjunct Saturn almost always suggests the need for a higher purpose in
life.
7)The peregrine Venus in Cancer is at the Aries Point: this is the public charm; a
grandly projected image of caring for the weak. It is astonishing how important this
placement is in softening Obamas public image.
2)Pluto contacts Moon, ruler of 6th. Moon is also in contact with the MC,
suggesting public service.
3)Pluto is disposited by Mercury, and Mercury contacts Jupiter. Both Mercury and
Jupiter contact MC: this brings writing strongly into the picture (whenever you
see Mercury and Jupiter involved with the MC and in the dispositorship routing,
you jot down this possibility.)
4)Mercury is disposited by the Sun ruling the 7th, a nal dispositor. This is a strong
statement of public communication (7th house suggests public.) The Sun is
quindecile Saturn in 12th, ruling the 12th, a co-nal dispositor (in Capricorn.) This
emphasis on Saturn and the 12th house, along with Pluto, suggests strongly a
government administration.
Summary: a need to help the public through laws and government administration.
A need to write and communicate dramatically, in order to innovate and foster
social progress (Uranus peregrine.)
The horoscope sings pretty well about who Obama is and what drives him. Now Ill
either nd someone that will do the rectication work, or do it myself and post it
sometime.
*as a study aid to the book, you can also visit noeltyl.com there he has a discussion forum,
where he does an exercise every Thursday in which anyone can participate and learn. Its
impossible to teach this in a single web page, so we have to go the long way and buy a book. Its
worth it if you want to help people (or yourself) know what they are good at.
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Timing of Kidnapping
Timing of Rescue
On the rescue date (July 2, 2008) we see enormous accentuation on the Aries Point
(always important in public manifestation of an event):
Pluto was transiting over natal Mars (ruling 12th!) at the Aries Point.
Solar Arc ASC axis and Neptune were also conjunct Mars at the Aries Point.
As a potential trigger, transiting Mars was exactly conjunct Uranus, ruler of her
Midheaven.
Though potentially unrelated, there was also Solar Arc Jupiter squaring her
Venus.
We see Solar Arc Pluto about to square Saturn in about 18 months, coinciding with
tr Pluto conjunct Sun: these suggest potential threat of loss (health or otherwise),
but also may suggest an important change of direction for her. Would she write
about her experience, or will start to act for international humanitarian cause?
(Saturn rules her 9th house of publishing and internationalism) Well see.
P.S. You might like these bloggers analysis of the event as well.
Marga Bervoets at Astropost blog has several great posts about her. I rst found
the birth chart of Ingrid Betancourt at Deirdre Tantons Cosmic Guidelines blog.
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The planetary patterns keep changing in the sky every day, but we dont feel it
unless something connects the heavenly picture with
our own earthly life. In our personal life, that
something is our natal horoscope. For our collective
life it may be our countrys horoscope, or our
companys horoscope.
With Pluto at the Aries Point for the rest of 2008, were watching history being
made in all fronts Mars will trigger the Pluto in August and December, just like it
did last month; stay alert for the possibility of dramatic transformation!
*Pluto-Saturn opposition was active during the 9/11 attack, triggered by the transiting Mars on
the Aries Point (1 Capricorn). The Pluto-Saturn opposition axis was conjunct the ASCDSC axis of
Sibley US natal chart.
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When talking to other astrology lovers, I think weve all done our version of Saturn
is transiting over my Venus and it really stinks or I cant wait until Neptune moves
away from my Descendant or Pluto is passing over my Moon. You know what
thats like (to which others nod knowingly and express their sympathy.) This is
called talking in jargon (some called it Astrogese).
And if you are really deep into this mode of communication, maybe you think that
way when youre alone, too (e.g. Rats! I have Saturn conjoining my Moon next
monthhow long will that last?)
I see this kind of talk in astrology forums all the time (e.g. Neptune is on my
Sun/Moon midpoint, relationship has been terrible; I cant take much more of
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this etc.). In a sense, connecting their life condition to current transits and Solar
Arcs gives people a feeling that theres a cause and a meaning behind their
suffering, which isnt necessarily a bad thing.
But if we stop there, I think we really start to sound irrational, and feel out of
control. It sounds as if the planets are in control, they are somehow making us
suffer. When we take this view, all intelligent thought processes stop, and we feel
and talk like victims. This, in my opinion, is astrology at its worst.
Wouldnt it help us better if we actually stop and try to describe the situation
without using astrological jargon? About 6 years ago I experienced transiting Pluto
conjunct my Moon for a couple of years. This coincided with tr Saturn opposition
to the Moon, and I felt like I was being killed. But wait, what was actually going on?
For one, I was doing a heavy, heavy emotional work on myself, as a lot of unhealed
issues kept coming up to affect my current relationships. I had to face some deep
truths about my wounds how I carried my past fears, hurt, anger, etc., related to
the pain I experienced when I was growing up. How I was taking that out on those
closest to me. Oh boy, was that a painful but necessary realization.
This last paragraph (written without a single astrological jargon) is very different
from saying I had tr Pluto conj Moon it just about killed me. We can see that this
bit of astrology talk completely fails to convey the meaning of my experience.
But astrologers may talk like this to their client all the time Youve got Saturn
square Venus for the next 6 months, and its going to be tough. Come again?? If
you see such measurements suggesting tension in relationships, shouldnt you be
observing my relationship skills and character issues so that you can help me
become better at relating with others for the next 6 months? How about asking the
actual condition of my relationship, to see if there is already a seed of the problem
(I may not have a problem at all in this area, and the transit may very well have to
do with my artistic work.)
Aspects dont happen in a vacuum there is always the context of a life being lived
by the client.
Jargon gives the illusion of understanding both in social settings and within our
own mind but it rarely gives clarity (no two people understand a sign or a planet
in an exactly the same way); I believe astrological jargon doesnt help other people
to get to know you better, unless they are accompanied by clear explanation of
what you mean by (for example) I have Venus in Sagittarius (some people may
take this to mean youre a irt, some may take it to mean you like philosophical
discussions, but you really said it to mean you like sports, etc.) So much gets lost in
translation.
Thinking solely in terms of symbols without being able to articulate what they
mean in plain language doesnt help you to understand your own situation, either.
Viktor Frankl quoted Spinoza once, saying that feelings cease to be suffering the
moment we can form a clear and accurate picture of it. Astrology is a helpful tool in
understanding our feelings, but its not a substitute for feelings themselves the
symbols must be tackled deeply; insights will be gained through articulation and
contemplation.
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The best astrologers I know and met werent the type that always had to be talking
astrology -rather, they were good communicators who were interested in people.
They had great grasp of the symbols, but they knew peoples realities were always
more complex than a set of planet-sign-house-aspect combinations.
It takes a lot of life experience to be a good astrologer, and the skill to articulate
human experience in plain language is a must.
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Like chiaroscuro painting, Saturn adds shadow to your light, adding denition and
depth to your energy. There is usually a dampening of energy due to extra weight
of responsibility or grief. Perhaps a new, serious decision is made that causes you
to work harder in a new direction. The result is that your energy will shift into a
more focused and mature state.
During this period, your mental energy increases in intensity and seeks free
expression. Uranus transit can signal the blooming of individuality through the
pursuit of new ideas. It can also suggest a time to break free from oppressing
patterns in your life, both external and internal.
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Neptune dissolves and renes your ego energy. This may lead to an awakening of
humility and compassion in some people, and inspire artistic vision or deceptive
illusion in others. Your energy might soften in intensity, and acquire a gentler,
subtler quality like that of an impressionist painting. Sometimes this is a time of
quiet surrender and reection, other times that of an inspired effort.
Pluto symbolizes the process of plumbing the depth in order to reach heights.
Pluto transit or solar arc could be traumatic for a young child, as it may represent
the rst glimpse into the dark side of life. For an adult, it could mark a time of
empowerment or a sudden change of perspective through an initiation-like
process.
If your energy level is chronically low, consider the ongoing transits and solar arcs
to see what needs to change in order for you to keep evolving with the ow of
time.
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