ana2oi7 Dalla ets for Concrate Members - Are We Doing I Twice? | BLUE SC UU Sues Lie Jabuunle auch Sulkin Seeks Syursuicy P-Delta Effects for Concrete Members - Are We Doing It Twice? Posted on 2016-02-11 ‘Topics: ASCE 7-10, ACI 318, Seismic Provisions Both ASCE 7-10 and ACI 318-11 require amplification of member forces to account for P-delta effects, as part of seismic analysis or as part of member design. Does that mean we are doing it twice? If not, which document to follow for this purpose? Below is a question we received recently. Q. [am a little perplexed by the moment magnification or P-delta issue in ACI 318 and ASCE 7. On one hand, ACI 318-11 Section 10.10.5 requires us to magnify design ‘moments on slender columns in order to account for second-order effects. On the other hand, ASCE 7-10 says in Section 12.8.7 that member forces need to be magnified for P- delta effects when the stability coefficient, 0, is greater than 0.1. Are column moments thus magnified twice in seismic design, first for stability and then for slenderness? That seems to be redundant. A. You certainly do not do it twice. Slendemess and stability are related. You do not deal with them separately. ASCE 7-10 requires us to consider P-A effects in seismic design - either in structural analysis itself or by multiplying the results of analysis by a factor 1.0/(1- 8). ACI 318-11 Section 10.10.2 provides us with three options for dealing with slendemess effects: (1) Nonlinear second-order analysis, in accordance with Section 10.10.3, (2) Elastic second-order analysis in accordance with Section 10.10.4, (3) Moment magnification procedure of Section 10.10.5. In seismic design, since the member forces already include the effects of P-A by the ASCE 7 requirement, the requirements in ACI 318 Section 10.10.4 are automatically met, and as a result, no further moment magnification by Section 10.10.5 is necessary. Please note that, in my opinion, because ASCE 7 is adopted by the IBC for the purpose of defining the seismic design forces, it governs over a material standard like ACI 318 when it comes to matters concerning such forces. So, when designing columns for seismic forces, the P-A effects are required to be included by the provisions of ASCE 7, rather than the provisions of ACI 318. This is important because ASCE 7 imposes an upper limit on the stability coefficient 0, which ACI 318 Section 10.10.5 does not include. In wind design, where the IBC and ASCE 7 have not addressed stability, we are free to use ACI 318 requirements as they are presented in that standard, unmodified. hipskohoshassocites.com/SKGAMogiviewpost hpid= 75 "