Salam

Aleykum,
I want to
know
brothers,
what is
Mutah? What
does it mean?

Try to answer
in the way
that wont get
you banned.
Lol talking about
Mutah never got
anyone banned
(at least not that

I know.... but I
haven't been
around forever
lol)...
Mut'ah
LITERALLY
means pleasure.
There was even

a "Battle of
Mutah" towards
the end of the
life of
Rasoolullah
(saw), meaning
the battle of
enjoyment (of

the spoils) since

the war booty
was very rich
(the battle
occurred on the
fringes of the
Byzantine
Empire, hence

the riches were

far greater than
in Arabia).
In the context of
marriage, Mut'ah
is a temporary
marriage or
literally a

"pleasure
marriage". Now
there has been a
lot of NONSENSE
and
PROPAGANDA
spread by
nasibis and

other ignoranceloving people to

confuse
everyone about
the real meaning
of Mut'ah. So
let's clear it up:

WHAT MUTAH
IS:
* a temporary
marriage. If you
follow the
Prophet's sunnah
(not Umar's),
Mutah is still

valid, it will be
halal for eternity.
* a source of
legitimate
children if they
are born. mutah
children have all
the rights of

nikah children,
the father is
required to
provide for
them.
* mainly for
pleasure

purposes, not
procreation.
* free of the
shackles of
divorce - it ends
at a predetermined time
agreed upon by

both the man

and the woman
* unlimited in
number: a man
can only have 4
nikah wives, but
UNLIMITED
mut'ah wives at

once (I'm not

saying you
should do mutah
with hundreds of
women at once,
only that it
THEORETICALLY
could be done).

* requires a
mahr ("dowry"
or rather a
symbolic gift).
The mahr can be
very small. Even
for nikah in the
time of the

Sahaba it was
often small, so
for Mut'ah it can
be even less.
WHAT MUTAH
is NOT:
* prostitution this is NOT part

of Mut'ah,
mut'ah should
be done for
pleasure, not
money.
Wahhabis often
spread the lie of
"mutah

prostitution" to
rouse anger
among ignorant
people and gain
eager recruits
for anti-Shia
suicide bombing
missions.

* rape or forced
sex - mutah
MUST be
performed
between two
CONSENTING
adults. They
must be sane

and capable of
giving consent.
* always a
sexual
arrangement. In
fact, Mut'ah CAN
include
conditions of not

having sex.
Sometimes this
is done simply to
make it halal to
touch a nonmahram woman
that a man is
often in close

proximity with,
but does not
wish to be
intimate with
her.
* abuse of
women - this is a
typical feminist

lie against Islam.

Mutah does not
involve abuse of
the woman, any
more than a
regular marriage
does (unless of
course she is a

modern fan of
BDSM and
WANTS to be
abused, but that
has to be
explicitly said,
and the man can
refuse to do that

if he's not into

it). Mutah is not
an abusive
relationship, and
it also has a
fixed duration, to
extend it, both
parties have to

agree, and if any

abuse does
arise, the
woman can
simply refuse to
extend it and the
mutah is
terminated at

the "expiration
date".
*underage
pedophilia - this
has no place in
Islam and is a
typical Christian
Missionary lie.

Mutah has to be
between
consenting
adults.
Sometimes also
it even requires
family consent, if
the girl is not

Muslim, only her

own consent is
required.
However, it is
HARAAM to do
mut'ah with girls
that have not
yet matured to

be able to
understand what
intimacy is or
entails. Both
parties must be
BALIGH (reached
puberty and

understand their
bodies).
Mutah is
pleasurable, a
shield against
sin and hellfire,
and rewarding
for both parties.

The sad thing

today is a lot of
women look
down on mutah
even though
many women
among the
Sahaba

practiced it and
it was NOT
condemned as
prostitution. We
need to stop
imitating neoliberal feminists
and return to

true Islam. Our

religion is not
meant to be
diluted with
man-made (and
often lawyermade)
Westernism.

Sure a woman is
free NOT to do
mutah if she
doesn't want to,
but don't call it
"prostitution" or
"abuse" if you
are a true

believer. There
are a lot of
wrong things
done under the
auspices of
mut'ah, but
those are
condemned by

Qur'an and
Sunnah, whereas
the raw act of
mut'ah itself is
NOT. Lastly,
mut'ah is just
plain fun!

Edited
February 17,
2010 by Shia
Shahid
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2012
On
2/18/2010 at

3:19 AM, Shia

Shahid said:
Lol talking
about Mutah
never got
anyone
banned (at
least not that

I know.... but I
haven't been
around
forever lol)...
Mut'ah
LITERALLY
means
pleasure.

There was
even a "Battle
of Mutah"
towards the
end of the life
of Rasoolullah
(saw),
meaning the

battle of
enjoyment (of
the spoils)
since the war
booty was
very rich (the
battle
occurred on

the fringes of
the Byzantine
Empire,
hence the
riches were
far greater
than in
Arabia).

In the context
of marriage,
Mut'ah is a
temporary
marriage or
literally a
"pleasure
marriage".

Now there
has been a lot
of NONSENSE
and
PROPAGANDA
spread by
nasibis and
other

ignoranceloving people
to confuse
everyone
about the real
meaning of
Mut'ah. So

let's clear it
up:
WHAT
MUTAH IS:
* a temporary
marriage. If
you follow the
Prophet's

sunnah (not
Umar's),
Mutah is still
valid, it will
be halal for
eternity.
* a source of
legitimate

children if
they are born.
mutah
children have
all the rights
of nikah
children, the
father is

required to
provide for
them.
* mainly for
pleasure
purposes, not
procreation.

* free of the
shackles of
divorce - it
ends at a predetermined
time agreed
upon by both

the man and

the woman
* unlimited in
number: a
man can only
have 4 nikah
wives, but
UNLIMITED

mut'ah wives
at once (I'm
not saying
you should do
mutah with
hundreds of
women at
once, only

that it
THEORETICAL
LY could be
done).
* requires a
mahr
("dowry" or
rather a

symbolic gift).
The mahr can
be very small.
Even for
nikah in the
time of the
Sahaba it was
often small,

so for Mut'ah
it can be even
less.
WHAT
MUTAH is
NOT:
* prostitution
- this is NOT

part of
Mut'ah,
mut'ah
should be
done for
pleasure, not
money.
Wahhabis

often spread
the lie of
"mutah
prostitution"
to rouse
anger among
ignorant
people and

gain eager
recruits for
anti-Shia
suicide
bombing
missions.
* rape or
forced sex -

mutah MUST
be performed
between two
CONSENTING
adults. They
must be sane
and capable

of giving
consent.
* always a
sexual
arrangement.
In fact,
Mut'ah CAN
include

conditions of
not having
sex.
Sometimes
this is done
simply to
make it halal
to touch a

non-mahram
woman that a
man is often
in close
proximity
with, but does
not wish to be

intimate with
her.
* abuse of
women - this
is a typical
feminist lie
against Islam.
Mutah does

not involve
abuse of the
woman, any
more than a
regular
marriage
does (unless
of course she

is a modern
fan of BDSM
and WANTS to
be abused,
but that has
to be
explicitly said,
and the man

can refuse to
do that if he's
not into it).
Mutah is not
an abusive
relationship,
and it also
has a fixed

duration, to
extend it,
both parties
have to
agree, and if
any abuse
does arise,
the woman

can simply
refuse to
extend it and
the mutah is
terminated at
the
"expiration
date".

*underage
pedophilia this has no
place in Islam
and is a
typical
Christian
Missionary lie.

Mutah has to
be between
consenting
adults.
Sometimes
also it even
requires
family

consent, if
the girl is not
Muslim, only
her own
consent is
required.
However, it is
HARAAM to

do mut'ah
with girls that
have not yet
matured to be
able to
understand
what intimacy
is or entails.

Both parties
must be
BALIGH
(reached
puberty and
understand
their bodies).

Mutah is
pleasurable, a
shield against
sin and
hellfire, and
rewarding for
both parties.
The sad

thing today
is a lot of
women look
down on
mutah even
though
many
women

among the
Sahaba
practiced it
and it was
NOT
condemned
as
prostitution.

We need to
stop imitating
neo-liberal
feminists and
return to true
Islam. Our
religion is not
meant to be

diluted with
man-made
(and often
lawyer-made)
Westernism.
Sure a
woman is free
NOT to do

mutah if she
doesn't want
to, but don't
call it
"prostitution"
or "abuse" if
you are a true
believer.

There are a
lot of wrong
things done
under the
auspices of
mut'ah, but
those are
condemned

by Qur'an and
Sunnah,
whereas the
raw act of
mut'ah itself
is NOT. Lastly,
mut'ah is just
plain fun!

All utter
nonsense which
is verging on
satanism already
discussed here:
http://www.shiac

hat....s-consentonly/
Where is your
source for saying
this below?
Quote
The sad thing
today is a lot

of women
look down on
mutah even
though many
women
among the
Sahaba
practiced it

and it was
NOT
condemned
as
prostitution.
Haydar Husayn
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Posted
December 27,
2012
On
12/28/2012 at
3:38 AM,
Perfectionist
said:

All utter
nonsense
which is
verging on
satanism already
discussed
here:

http://www.sh
iachat....sconsent-only/
The Sunna of the
Prophet (pbuh)
and the
teachings of the
Imams (as)

verges of
Satanism?
SubhanAllah!
I'd advise you to
do some proper
research before
coming out with

blasphemous
statements.
Quote
Where is your
source for
saying this
below?

Mut`a was done

during the
conquest of
Mecca. Those
women who
were doing it
would count as
Sahaba since

they saw the

Prophet (pbuh).
Also, there is a
narration by
Asma bint Abu
Bakr, who says
they used to do
it during the

time of the
Prophet (pbuh).
Whether she is
talking about
herself isn't
clear, but clearly
if she says 'we
used to do it', it

can't include just

men,
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Posted
December 27,
2012 (edited)
On
12/28/2012 at
3:49 AM,
Haydar
Husayn said:

The Sunna of
the Prophet
(pbuh) and
the teachings
of the Imams
(as) verges of
Satanism?
SubhanAllah!

I'd advise you

to do some
proper
research
before
coming out
with

blasphemous
statements.
Mut`a was
done during
the conquest
of Mecca.
Those women
who were

doing it would
count as
Sahaba since
they saw the
Prophet
(pbuh). Also,
there is a
narration by

Asma bint
Abu Bakr,
who says
they used to
do it during
the time of
the Prophet
(pbuh).

Whether she
is talking
about herself
isn't clear,
but clearly if
she says 'we
used to do it',
it can't

include just
men,
About the hadith
of Asma saying
'we used to do
it': according to
Sunnis, there
was a mix up of

words between
'mut'a of hajj',
and 'mut'a of
women', and the
correct one is
'mut'a of hajj'.
But, to add to
you point: Here

is a hadith where
Umar admits
that both mut'as
existed during
Prophet
Muhammed's
(pbuh) time:

Umar said:
"There were two
mut'as during
the time of the
Messenger of
Allah. I forbid the
mut'a of women

and the mut'a of

hajj."
(Majmoo3
Fatawa ibn Baaz,
30/351, Ibn Baaz
said it was
"Thabit",

meaning,
'correct'.)
Edited
December 27,
2012 by Kai
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Posted
December 27,
2012
On
12/28/2012 at
3:49 AM,
Haydar
Husayn said:

The Sunna of
the Prophet
(pbuh) and
the teachings
of the Imams
(as) verges of
Satanism?
SubhanAllah!

I'd advise you

to do some
proper
research
before
coming out
with

blasphemous
statements.
You again
Haydar!
Constantly trying
to justify your
own
delusions/perver

sions, or is it
constantly trying
to smear the
teachings of
Islam?
Quote
Mut`a was
done during

the conquest
of Mecca.
Those women
who were
doing it would
count as
Sahaba since
they saw the

Prophet
(pbuh). Also,
there is a
narration by
Asma bint
Abu Bakr,
who says
they used to

do it during
the time of
the Prophet
(pbuh).
Whether she
is talking
about herself
isn't clear,

but clearly if
she says 'we
used to do it',
it can't
include just
men,
Source?

 On
12/28/2012 at
4:01 AM, Kai
said:
About the
hadith of
Asma saying
'we used to

do it':
according to
Sunnis, there
was a mix up
of words
between
'mut'a of
hajj', and

'mut'a of
women', and
the correct
one is 'mut'a
of hajj'.
And of course
next is, Haydar's

partner in crime,
Kai!
Haydar Husayn
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Posted
December 27,
2012
Source? If you
don't even know
these basic
things, then you
shouldn't be

talking about
mut`a.
Anyway, you
claim to be Shia,
so read a book
drawing on Shia
sources about
mut`a:

http://www.alislam.org/alserat/muta/
Read some
ahadith from the
Prophet (pbuh)
and Imams (as)
on mut`a:

http://www.tasha
yyu....s/marriage
/muta
Especially you
should read
about it's
lawfulness and

it's desirability
(for men).
Read the rulings
of scholars on
mut`a:
Sayyid Sistani:

http://www.sista
ni.o...&id=48&pi
d=2343
http://www.sista
ni.o...&id=48&pi
d=2350
Sayyid
Khamenei:

Q: What is mut
h marriage?
Is her father
permission
necessary?
A: Temporary
marriage like
permanent

marriage is
permissible and
requires a
marriage
contract.
Moreover, there
is no difference
between

permanent
marriage and
temporary
marriages
except in some
aspects of the
law, such as
there is no

divorce in
temporary
marriage - it
terminates with
the expiration of
the period.
Likewise, neither
spouse in a

temporary
marriage inherits
from the other.
In both
permanent
marriage and
temporary
marriages, she

should not have

another husband
and not to be in
ddah for
marriage with
another man. If
she is virgin, the
permission of

her
father/paternal
father is required
based on
obligatory
caution.

http://www.leade
r.ir...ex.php?
catid=38
Q: If in the
mukallaf
country/city the
common view
considers mut

 h marriage as
a slander or
accusation in
such a way that
a believer is
accused of being
not religious and
having illegal

relations or even
despised if
he/she does it,
what is the
ruling, then?
A: Although
mut h
marriage is

permissible, or
rather mustah
abb in our
view, it is not
obligatory in
shar ?
Therefore, if it
leads to conflict,

accusation or
vile
consequences
matters that are
not acceptable
by the Divine
Legislator, it is
rendered

impermissible
for the mukallaf
to be indulged in
such a marriage.
http://www.leade
r.ir/tree/index.ph
p?catid=72

Sayyid
FadlAllah:
http://english.ba
yyn...rg.lb/QA/1a
.htm
Sayyid alHakim:

http://english.alh
ak...es.php?
Where=98
And many other
sites.
Here are lectures
by Shia speakers
on mut`a.

Mut`a is one of
the key aspects
that differentiate
Shia fiqh from
the rest, so if
you don't accept
it, then you
aren't a Shia.

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2012

 On
12/28/2012 at
4:34 AM,
Haydar
Husayn said:
Source? If you
don't even
know these

basic things,
then you
shouldn't be
talking about
mut`a.
Source for what I
quoted - what is
your version of

the proof that

the Sahaba
commited
mutah.
Quote
Mut`a is one
of the key
aspects that

differentiate
Shia fiqh from
the rest, so if
you don't
accept it,
then you
aren't a Shia.

Nonsense.
Mutah is only
considered valid
by a primitive
sub-section of
the the Shia fold,
and is actually

practiced by
even fewer.
The scholarly
reasoning and
textual
references are
no different to
Sunni rhetoric

against the Ahlul

Bayt.
ImAli
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2012
oh god
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Posted
December 28,
2012 (edited)
On
12/28/2012 at
10:30 AM,

Perfectionist
said:
Source for
what I quoted
- what is your
version of the
proof that the
Sahaba

commited
mutah.
It's well known.
Do a bit of
research for
once, and you
will find it.
Quote

Nonsense.
Mutah is only
considered
valid by a
primitive subsection of the
the Shia fold,
and is

actually
practiced by
even fewer.
The scholarly
reasoning and
textual
references
are no

different to
Sunni rhetoric
against the
Ahlul Bayt.
Primitive subsection of the
Shia fold? You
are completely

[you can't use

this word].
Name me one
Shia scholar of
note who doesn't
consider mut`a
to be
permissible.

Edited
December 28,
2012 by Haji
2003
You can'r make
inferences about
posters' mental
state

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Posted
December 28,
2012
On
12/28/2012 at

10:34 AM,
Haydar
Husayn said:
It's well
known. Do a
bit of
research for

once, and you

will find it.
I try to avoid
fabrications so
please save me
the trouble my
friend.
Quote

Primitive subsection of the

Shia fold? You
are
completely
delusional.
Name me one
Shia scholar

of note who
doesn't
consider
mut`a to be
permissible.
We've already
been through
this in another

thread brother
so let me change
my signature for
you instead.
Please try to
follow the Quran
instead of your

so-called
scholars.
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Posted
December 28,
2012 (edited)
Mutah was
practiced
amoung the
Arabs before
Islam and the

Quran addressed
the issue and did
not forbid it, but
placed
conditions on it,
as the Quran did
with permenant
marriage

(zawajtul
nikah).Read
4:24. All Shia
scholars of
Quran and most
Sunni ones also
call 4:24 the
'ayat of Mutah'.

This is why our

scholars allow it,
because
Allah(s.w.a)
allowed it in
Quran. Also,
there are many
hadith from our

Imams regarding
its permissibility,
the brother
posted some.
The only
disagreement
between Shia
scholars are the

situations where
it is wajib,
mustahab,
mubah or
makrooh. None
say it is haram.
If you are a Shia,
please educate

yourself on the
subject from the
proper sources
and stop posting
just to be
argumentative.
There is no
doubt

whatsoever that
the word, alistimta ?(= lit.,
to enjoy) used in
this verse
means Mutah
marriage

Sayyid Allema
Tabataba'i. Tafsir
Al Mizan
commenting on
4:24
If Umar had not
forbidden
Mutah, noone

would have
committed
adultry
(zina)except the
evil ones
Imam Ali(a.s)
Edited
December 28,

2012 by Abu
Hadi
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2012
On
12/28/2012 at
5:48 PM, Abu
Hadi said:

Mutah was
practiced
amoung the
Arabs before
Islam and the
Quran
addressed the
issue and did

not forbid it,

but placed
conditions on
it, as the
Quran did
with
permenant
marriage

(zawajtul
nikah).Read
4:24. All Shia
scholars of
Quran and
most Sunni
ones also call
4:24 the 'ayat

of Mutah'.
This is why
our scholars
allow it,
because
Allah(s.w.a)
allowed it in
Quran. Also,

there are
many hadith
from our
Imams
regarding its
permissibility,
the brother
posted some.

The only
disagreement
between Shia
scholars are
the situations
where it is
wajib,
mustahab,

mubah or
makrooh.
None say it is
haram. If you
are a Shia,
please
educate
yourself on

the subject
from the
proper
sources and
stop posting
just to be
argumentativ
e.

There is no
doubt
whatsoever
that the
word, alistimta ?(=
lit., to enjoy)
used in this

verse means
Mutah
marriage
Sayyid Allema
Tabataba'i.
Tafsir Al Mizan
commenting
on 4:24

If Umar had
not forbidden
Mutah, noone
would have
committed
adultry
(zina)except
the evil ones

Imam Ali(a.s)
You speak as if
you are stating
fact, which is
deliberately
deceptive and
dishonest. Mutah
is one of the

most
controversial
subjects in
Islam, even
amongst the
Shia, which have
many sects who

have also
forbidden it.
The often quoted
verse of the
Quran which you
mention, is not
considered
overriding proof

of its permissibly
at all. This verse
is purposefully
mistranslated
and
misunderstood,
purely by the
Twelver sect.

This specific
interpretation of
4:24 is unique to
them and them
alone. All other
Muslims, Sunni
and Shia
understand this

verse correctly
with a very
different
meaning.
Mutah was
practiced by the
pre-Islamic arabs
and was

progressively
outlawed by the
Prophet. The
ridiculous
justification that
Twelvers use for
Mutah is that it
prevents Zina.

when in reality
the Quran
teaches chastity
and patience.
Haji 2003
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Perfectionist you
have already
been warned for
making

derogatory
remarks about
people who
practice mutah.
You have now
made one more.
Carry on like this
and your

account will be
suspended/close
d.
Although this is
a Twelver Shia
site everyone is
allowed to
question any

aspect of Shia
belief, but it
must be done in
a respectful
manner.
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December 28,
2012 (edited)
On
12/28/2012 at
11:34 PM,

Perfectionist
said:
You speak as
if you are
stating fact,
which is
deliberately
deceptive and

dishonest.
Mutah is one
of the most
controversial
subjects in
Islam, even
amongst the
Shia, which

have many
sects who
have also
forbidden it.
The often
quoted verse
of the Quran
which you

mention, is
not
considered
overriding
proof of its
permissibly at
all. This verse
is

purposefully
mistranslated
and
misunderstoo
d, purely by
the Twelver
sect. This
specific

interpretation
of 4:24 is
unique to
them and
them alone.
All other
Muslims,
Sunni and

Shia
understand
this verse
correctly with
a very
different
meaning.

Mutah was
practiced by
the preIslamic arabs
and was
progressively
outlawed by
the Prophet.

The ridiculous
justification
that Twelvers
use for Mutah
is that it
prevents
Zina. when in
reality the

Quran
teaches
chastity and
patience.
The
interpretation of
4:24 being about
mut'a isn't

exclusive to 12er
Shias, some
Sunni
commentators
have also
believed that it
was revealed
regarding mut'a.

Ibn Kathir, one of

the greatest
Sunni
commentators
believed that
this verse was
revealed about
mut'a. For proof,

go here:
http://www.qtafsi
r.c...d=682&Item
id=59
Isma'eel Ibn
Abdulrahman AlSuddi also
believed that it

was revealed
regarding mut'a.
Even one of the
Sahaba, Ibn
Abbas,not only
believed that
this verse was
revealed about

mut'a, but he
believed that
mut'a was never
abrogated, and
this was also the
view of Ibn
Mas'ood,
another Sahaba.

More on Sahaba
who believed in
the legitimacy of
mut'a, all from
Sunnis sources:
http://www.seeki
ngilm.com/archiv
es/449

Edited
December 28,
2012 by Kai
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On
12/28/2012 at
11:34 PM,

Perfectionist
said:
You speak as
if you are
stating fact,
which is
deliberately
deceptive and

dishonest.
Mutah is one
of the most
controversial
subjects in
Islam, even
amongst the
Shia, which

have many
sects who
have also
forbidden it.
The often
quoted verse
of the Quran
which you

mention, is
not
considered
overriding
proof of its
permissibly at
all. This verse
is

purposefully
mistranslated
and
misunderstoo
d, purely by
the Twelver
sect. This
specific

interpretation
of 4:24 is
unique to
them and
them alone.
All other
Muslims,
Sunni and

Shia
understand
this verse
correctly with
a very
different
meaning.

Mutah was
practiced by
the preIslamic arabs
and was
progressively
outlawed by
the Prophet.

The ridiculous
justification
that Twelvers
use for Mutah
is that it
prevents
Zina. when in
reality the

Quran
teaches
chastity and
patience.
Are you more
learned or the
prophet, his
family and their

companions are.
Dont change the
interpretation of
that verse. Your
scholars have
given that verse
their own
interpretation.

Even if the
whole world give
it a different
meaning, we will
stick with the
correct meaning
given to us by
the prophet and

imams. You cant

prove that it was
outlawed by the
prophet at all.
And you are
right, the Quran
teaches chastity
and it teaches

patience but not

in marriage.
Prophet says to
hasten to
marriage for it
prevents
indecency and
helps in chastity.

If you cant
understand the
benefit of
temporary
marriage and
how it protects
and brings
mercy of God,

then that is not a

reason for its
unlawfulness.
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2012
On
12/28/2012 at
11:44 PM,
Haji 2003
said:

Perfectionist
you have
already been
warned for
making
derogatory
remarks
about people

who practice
mutah. You
have now
made one
more. Carry
on like this
and your
account will

be
suspended/cl
osed.
Although this
is a Twelver
Shia site
everyone is
allowed to

question any
aspect of Shia
belief, but it
must be done
in a respectful
manner.
I always try to
remain

respectful
despite the topic
of Mutah being
so disrespectful.
I apologise if I
have faltered in
reaction to
others, and will

show more
restraint from
now on.
On
12/29/2012 at
1:25 AM, Kai
said:

The
interpretation
of 4:24 being
about mut'a
isn't exclusive
to 12er Shias,
some Sunni
commentator

s have also
believed that
it was
revealed
regarding
mut'a. Ibn
Kathir, one of
the greatest

Sunni
commentator
s believed
that this
verse was
revealed
about mut'a.
For proof, go

here:
http://www.qt
afsir.c...d=68
2&Itemid=59
Isma'eel Ibn
Abdulrahman
Al-Suddi also
believed that

it was
revealed
regarding
mut'a.
Even one of
the Sahaba,
Ibn Abbas,not
only believed

that this
verse was
revealed
about mut'a,
but he
believed that
mut'a was
never

abrogated,
and this was
also the view
of Ibn
Mas'ood,
another
Sahaba.

More on
Sahaba who
believed in
the
legitimacy of
mut'a, all
from Sunnis
sources:

http://www.se
ekingilm.com/
archives/449
How old are you
Kai? What
country are you
from? What is

your level of
education?
I ask because
those links
actually prove
that Mutah was
allowed for a
time and then,

absolutely
forbidden! Why
didn't you read
them in full
before linking
them here?
I am becoming
very worried

about you little

brother. May
Allah keep you
healthy and
away from harm.
On
12/29/2012 at

2:41 AM, race

said:
Are you more
learned or the
prophet, his
family and
their
companions

are. Dont
change the
interpretation
of that verse.
Your scholars
have given
that verse
their own

interpretation
. Even if the
whole world
give it a
different
meaning, we
will stick with
the correct

meaning
given to us by
the prophet
and imams.
You cant
prove that it
was outlawed

by the
prophet at all.
The proof that
Mutah was
outlawed is very
clear and
apparent.
Unfortunately

some people do
not wish to see it
or believe it.
May Allah guide
you to the right
path soon.
Quote

And you are

right, the
Quran
teaches
chastity and
it teaches
patience but

not in
marriage.
Read my
signature again
my friend. It
teaches chastity
and patience
Precisely about

marriage. Why
are you so blind?
Quote
Prophet says
to hasten to
marriage for
it prevents
indecency

and helps in
chastity.
Yes, to hasten
Permanent
marriage, not
Temporary
marriage.
Quote

If you cant
understand
the benefit of
temporary
marriage and
how it
protects and
brings mercy

of God, then
that is not a
reason for its
unlawfulness.
There is no
benefit in
Temporary
marriage if you

are a person
who follows the
will of Allah and
develops
patience and
chastity There is
only benefit in

doing Permanent
marriage.
Ali Musaaa :)
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Prove that Mutah
was permanently
banned.
We don't deny
the possibility of

it being
temporarily
banned, but if it
was explicitly
outlawed by the
Prophet (sawa)
why did people
practice it in the

time of Abu
Bakr? You have
to be a fool to
not see this.
Perfectionist
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2012
On
12/29/2012 at
5:41 AM, Ali
Musaaa :)
said:

Prove that
Mutah was
permanently
banned.
We don't
deny the
possibility of
it being

temporarily
banned, but if
it was
explicitly
outlawed by
the Prophet
(sawa) why
did people

practice it in
the time of
Abu Bakr? You
have to be a
fool to not
see this.

Prove that it was

not banned my
friend.
Also, prove that
the Ahlul Bayt
practiced it.
Finally, prove
that you would

encourage your
own mother or
sister or
daughter to
practice it.
Kai
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Posted
December 28,
2012 (edited)
On
12/29/2012 at
5:05 AM,
Perfectionist
said:

How old are

you Kai?
What country
are you from?
What is your
level of
education?

I ask because
those links
actually prove
that Mutah
was allowed
for a time and
then,
absolutely

forbidden!
Why didn't
you read
them in full
before linking
them here?
I am
becoming

very worried
about you
little brother.
May Allah
keep you
healthy and
away from
harm.

My age, location,
or level of
education have
nothing to do
with this
discussion. In
your last post,
you were saying

that only 12er

Shias believed
that 4:24 was
related to mut'a.
You said:
"This verse is
purposefully
mistranslated

and
misunderstood,
purely by the
Twelver sect."
I refuted you by
pointing out that
Ibn Kathir, a
Sunni scholar,

believed that it
was also related
to mut'a, in his
famous tafsir.
That was my
goal. I did not
care whether he
believed it was

abrogated or
not, I just
wanted to show
you that nonShias also held
the position that
4:24 was

revealed
regarding mut'a.
You appear to
have
misunderstood
my next point. I
mentioned that
Ibn Abbas and

other Sahaba
believed in the
legitimacy of
mut'a after the
death of the
Prophet (pbuh) .
If mut'a was
abrogated by the

Prophet (pbuh),
then why did a
number of
Sahaba still
believe that
mut'a was
legitimate?
Quote

The proof that

Mutah was
outlawed is
very clear
and apparent.
Unfortunately
some people
do not wish to

see it or
believe it.
May Allah
guide you to
the right path
soon.
Mut'a was
outlawed by

Umar Ibn AlKhattab, during

his reign, not by
Prophet
Muhammed
(pbuh)


:





.

Umar Ibn AlKhattab said:

"There were two

mut'as during
the time of the
Messenger of
Allah. I forbid
from them, the
mut'a of
women, and the
mut'a of Hajj."

(Majmoo'
Fatawah Ibn Baz,
Volume 20, Page
351, Ibn Baz said
it was "Thabit")

Umar Ibn AlKhattab, in his

sermon,
said:...."There
were two mut'as
during the time
of the
Messenger of

Allah, and I
forbid the
people, and will
punish anyone
who performs it,
the first is the
mut'a of
Hajj.....the last is

the mut'a of
women......."
(It7aful AlKhayrat Al-Mahr,
Volume 3, Page
173, Al-Bawsari
said that the
chain of

narrators are
authentic.)
Imam Ali (as)
also believed
that mut'a was
forbidden by
Umar.
He said:

"Had Umar not

banned mut'a,
none but a

wicked person
would have
fornicated."
Tafseer Al-Tabari,
Volume 5, Page
119
Al-Durr AlManthur Fi Tafsir

Bil Ma'thoor,
Volume 2, Page
140
Tafseer AlQurtubi, Volume
5, Page 130

Mafatih AlGhayb, Volume

10, Page 50
For more
information, go
here:
http://en.shiapen

.co...nnedmutah.html
Quote
There is no
benefit in
Temporary
marriage if
you are a

person who
follows the
will of Allah
and develops
patience and
chastity
There is only
benefit in

doing
Permanent
marriage.
The Sahaba and
the Prophet
Muhammed
(pbuh) seem to

disagree with
you on that:
Jabir b. 'Abdullah
and Salama b.
al-Akwa' said:
There came to
us the
proclaimer of

Allah's
Messenger (may
peace be upon
him) and said:
Allah's
Messenger (may
peace be upon
him) has granted

you permission
to benefit
yourselves, i. e.
to contract
temporary
marriage with
women.

Sahih Muslim,
Book 8, #3246
Quote
Prove that it
was not
banned my
friend.

How pitiful. Now,

you're resorting
to a logical
fallacy. Go do a
search on
'burden of proof'.

Edited
December 28,
2012 by Kai
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2012
On
12/28/2012 at

10:34 AM,
Haydar
Husayn said:
It's well
known. Do a
bit of
research for

once, and you

will find it.
Primitive subsection of the
Shia fold? You
are
completely

[you can't use

this word].
Name me one
Shia scholar
of note who
doesn't
consider

mut`a to be
permissible.
Maybe this
guy??
Ali Musaaa :)
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On
12/29/2012 at
5:52 AM,

Perfectionist
said:
Prove that it
was not
banned my
friend.
Firstly I want to
ask who banned

it? Because we
both agree it
was banned, but
you person who
outlawed it was
in a position to
do so, thus it still
remains lawful.

Sahih Muslim
Book 008,
Number 3249:
Jabir b. 'Abdullah
reported: We
contracted
temporary
marriage giving

a handful of
(tales or flour as
a dower during
the lifetime of
Allah's
Messenger (may
peace be upon
him) and during

the time of Abu

Bakr until 'Umar
forbade it in the
case of 'Amr b.
Huraith.
On
12/29/2012 at
5:52 AM,

Perfectionist
said:
Also, prove
that the Ahlul
Bayt
practiced it.
[ 26378 ] 23
:



(

)


.

23 ?He said:
And Ibn
Babuwayh
narrated that
`Ali
married
a woman in Kufa
from the Banu

Nahshal in
mut`a.
http://www.*****
**.org/hadiths/m
arriage/muta/cha
pter-1
On
12/29/2012 at

5:52 AM,
Perfectionist
said:
Finally, prove
that you
would
encourage
your own

mother or
sister or
daughter to
practice it.