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Woodhaven
Letters
ved.
the
Woodhaven
Letters
by Vincent DiCarlo
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Contents
Foreward.........................................................................................................5
The Transition to Natural Game............................................................14
The Two Fundamental Elements Required for
Conscious and Deliberate Pickup. ................................................15
Techniques, Mindsets, Beliefs
and how they are related. ..................................................................16
The Paradigm Shift.................................................................................17
The 6 Sticking Points Resulting from
the Traditional Model.............................................................................18
Natural Game Pros and Cons...........................................................23
A Model for Natural Game..................................................................24
Mindsets for Natural Game................................................................25
The Continuous Flow of Action .......................................................28
Natural Game Models & Methods......................................................34
Spontaneity over Structure................................................................35
Mutual Value Escalation.......................................................................39
Congruence to Intention.....................................................................43
Notes about the direct intention:......................................................47
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Foreward
Its been 5 years since Vin DiCarlo (at the time, writing under the pseudonym
Woodhaven) released these landmark letters, and ultimately revolutionized
how the pickup community in general would treat the science of seduction...
Forever.
When Vin first revealed Natural Game, he was heavily criticized by the likes
of Neil Strauss, Mystery and others who wanted to protect their own systems
from the changing world.
But reading
through the
following article
really strikes a
chord with me.
I relate to this
post so much.
Its everything
I could NEVER
say, but am
always trying
to
Chris (in
reference to
Vin DiCarlos
The Transition
to Natural
Game)
In order to truly see the genius of these letters, you must understand the
landscape of the seduction scene back then. Routines, patterns and lines
were king, and to challenge the status quo, was completely unheard of.
Until Vin came along, that is...
And after Vin enlightened thousands of average, normal and everyday guys to
the power of this ground-breaking new system and dramatic mindset shifts...
Suddenly, every guru and his brother had their own take on Natural Game.
Unfortunately, even the highest-held guru is still not anywhere near the level
of Natural Game that Vin was on his on his way to pioneering, even way back
in 2005.
Showcased here - in this mini-ebook - Are the original articles that
revolutionized the pickup community and are a must-read for anyone, if you
are serious about taking control of your dating and sex life.
Ive saved this file on my computer as Foundation.pdf because there are
MILLIONS of men alive who will never achieve the brick-wall foundation these
articles will give your game.
And with a shaky, unsure or poorly-designed foundation to stand on, you
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You will find these articles simple to understand and (while technical) will
give you an instant perspective shift, and change the way you think... about
meeting women.
And... You will see that how you think is everything, when it comes to meeting
women.
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Foreward
How you think about pickup will effect every part of your social skills, how you
express yourself, and the reality you create for yourself.
This is the real hidden genius in Vins early writings: The Ability To Choose
Your Destiny, simply by improving your social skills and your skills with
women.
You will be introduced to pimp game, reverse supplication, the value flux,
true meaning of lets just be friends, and how to change the concept that
sex is the ultimate form of compliance.
In a nutshell, youll get some of the most advanced - and deadly effective Tactics for finally meeting more women, getting her phone number, and taking
her home THAT night.
Reading these articles will give you an unshakable foundation for confidence,
and make everything you read about seduction - from now on - Easier to
digest and understand. Even if its from other authors.
And, although Vin has continued to innovate, these are the building blocks
every other theory, tip and tactic of his has spawned from.
These writings are considered significant events in the Pickup Communitys
history.
If you were ever tempted to use routines, or even if you have a tendency to jot
down specific lines or stories to use in the future... Then you must read the
Transition to Natural Game articles.
They will redefine your reality about dating and women, and will reveal what is
really going on in your interactions with the fairer sex.
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Foreward
Ask any true pickup guru and master Pick-up Artist and youll find a
massive, mutual amount of respect for Vin. Most will even recommend you
check out his teachings without a moments hesitation.
This is because Vin pushed the envelope on what what is possible in your
sexual relationships, and liberated men... Empowering you to lift your game
and your standards, and not to settle for second best.
Vin has done more for men as a whole than almost anyone else in recent
history.
Jesus couldnt
have written a
better post about
the meaning of
life
Rock (in
reference to
Vin DiCarlos
The Transition
to Natural
Game)
I know Im belaboring a point by now, but you will more than likely learn more
by reading these few short articles than by watching a dozen other DVD
sets, if you put what you discover to work for you, today.
Ive read the Transition to Natural Game articles dozens of times, and I still
take new insights away, each and every time.
Think about that for a second... Ive read a single set of posts - dozens and
dozens of times - And I pick out something brand-new each and every time. It
blows my mind.
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If you have never read the Oriental Hot Tub House of Sex Lay Report you are
in for a massive treat.
Let me put it this way: Vins game, the way he thinks about women, and
how scary-good he is will mess with your head. But in addition to the
entertainment factor, youll also grab a few new tools for your Big Bag of
Tricks. In fact, I will even venture to say: You cannot be a true pickup artist
unless you read the Transition to Natural Game articles. Think about them like
William Shakespeare or The Beatles... Both basic to the untrained eye, but
revolutionary in their time, and groundbreaking for the future.
Many veterans of the pickup community will recommend these hard to find
articles as the first thing you read to get started in this daring counter-culture
and lifestyle... And most top pick-up artists hold the Transition to Natural
Game articles in high esteem.
Could this be
the greatest post
ever?
- Prodigy (in
reference to
Vin DiCarlos
The Transition
to Natural
Game)
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So enjoy the following articles, and feel free to re-read them again and again...
Because they are an essential element for developing the mindsets of a
TrueNatural Seducer.
You know...
I havent read
this in a SUPER
SUPER SUPER
long time.
But I do
remember it
as being the
greatest article
Ive ever read.
Ill make an
effort to read
it again in the
VERY near
future...
And once youve gotten a certain level of competence in your dating and sex
life, youll begin to automatically shoot much higher than you could have ever
dreamed possible when it comes to women.
Lastly, I want to thank Vin for giving me the opportunity to introduce these
articles... And for the drastic, lasting and complete transformation theyve
made in my dating and sex life.
From the bottom of my heart, Vin, thank you. And from the bottom of my
heart, my friend...
... Enjoy. :-)
- Sam (in
reference to Vin
DiCarlos The
Transition to
Natural Game)
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Vin is a prolific writer, and is known for some of the most widely read
and reproduced articles. As the first professional pick-up trainer working
successfully on the East coast, Vin is the pioneer of natural game which
has been proven to be the most effective and imitated style today.
Vin is one of the only teachers in this industry who is acknowledged by well
known and respected academic institutions. Just last year, Vin was invited
to the very prestigious Syracuse University to give a talk on attraction and
cognition as it relates to dating in modern society.
Most importantly: Vin is both a master pick-up artist and dating coach, who
actively, currently lives what he teaches and practices what he preaches. Too
many gurus rely on clever marketing or outlandish and flashy techniques. Vin
is the real deal.
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Ive met a ton of guys from the Pickup Community. After going out with them
and watching them with women, I have seen the exact same things over and
over. They all run the exact type of game, and have the same problems. I am
not criticizing other peoples models, I am just pointing out the effect these
models seem to have on about 90% of the community guys Ive observed.
Again I emphasize that it is not an inherent flaw in older, more traditional
models (Mystery, Speed Seduction, Juggler, GWM), but more how people are
interpreting these models.
This post will help transition those people who are interested from an
approval-seeking, nerdy, entertainment frame, to smooth, Natural Game,
which is inherently more effective in all stages of seduction.
I have not posted anything advanced in a short while, and Natural Game is the
culmination of the past few months of my work. Enjoy!
Contents:
1. The two fundamental elements of a pickup.
2. The difference between techniques, mindsets and beliefs.
3. A paradigm shift from traditional models.
4. Design the frame for endgame
5. The Continuous Flow of Action
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The great part about this is that any context will work. This represents the
differences between all of the methods you see here in the online community:
be it Gunwitch with his strong rapport assumption and ordinary conversation,
or be it Mysterys routines which fit into a precise and linear system. They are
both just interactive contexts which can lead to isolation. The true firepower
is the set of beliefs underlying the context.
The reason why there is so much focus on context is because it can be
learned quickly. Its very easy to learn a few jokes and tell a few stories and
memorize a few openers. Internalizing good beliefs on the other hand, usually
takes months or even years.
You will see some guys telling you to ignore belief and just develop a strong
context. While it may be beneficial to develop a really strong context, we must
take care that our execution of techniques isnt inhibiting the growth of good
beliefs, and not installing limiting ones.
The fastest route to mastery is to develop strong beliefs and become familiar
with a variety of contexts, i.e. get a lot of experience under your belt. Learn
to handle as many tough situations as possible - large groups, daytime
isolation, male competition, direct approaches, etc. Realize it can take quite
some time before your beliefs make a significant enough change that you
achieve the kind of success youre really after.
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Example of a mindset:
Take the Cocky Funny line Whoah, pointy shoes! Theyre nice, but I feel
sorry for the little elf you stole them from, whos now running around barefoot.
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Go right into story to in order to display higher value (DHV), which will
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Continue to tell stories, tease girls until you get a clear indication of
interest (IOI).
Bait her into qualifying herself to you, and no matter what she says,
SOI her for that. (This step aint so bad)
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If you would still prefer an indirect type of approach based on routines and
canned material, it would surely be beneficial to implement these mindsets
anyway, along with correcting all of the previously mentioned sticking points.
It can do nothing but improve your results.
Of course there are some differences that some may consider to be
drawbacks:
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Display emotions through facial expression and tonality when you tell
stories.
Talking about your passions, let her sample some of your energy that
could be directed towards her!
Logistics
There is no set structure to pickup. We are artists. You are creating a unique
experience for her. Its fine to follow a predictable structure at the lower levels,
but its like a kata in martial arts. When it comes down to real world situations:
while having a loose structure you must adapt and improvise in an aesthetic
way.
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1. become attracted
2. become comfortable
3. leave a venue with you
4. provide contact information that wont flake
5. become turned on
This again, is leftover social programming. Let go of the need to make pickup
difficult or complicated.
My flaking ratio is very good. Not 100% perfect, but pretty damn close. The
average time it takes for me to get a non-flaking phone number is between 30
seconds and 5 minutes. Any more is unnecessary.
Heres why:
After a first meeting, she is going to walk away with some kind of impression
- a memory of the encounter. Now the way the mind works, is that it distorts
time around really strong impressions. We remember each event as a
series of mental pictures and sounds with varying intensities. The intensity
is determined by the emotions present at the time, and how rare or
scarce those emotions are. If you walk up to her like no man ever has, and
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Lets her trust you immediately (because you are not like every other
guy trying to get something from her.
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indecision
hesitation
overanalysis
overthinking
While you should not do these things, it is even more important that SHE
does not do these things.
In order to achieve a continuous flow of action, you need a minimal structure,
quick responses and a lot of confidence. I will illustrate with a few examples.
Cold Approach (Assuming time is important)
1. Guy walks up, delivers opener goes into story.
2. Girl reacts positively.
3. Guy feels he needs more attraction, goes into another story, irrelevant
to first one.
4. Girl reacts positively again.
5. Guy waits, thinks of what to do next.
6. Guy starts getting some rapport, asks questions.
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Be aware and notice her shortcoming - shes a bit short for your
tastes.
Be honest about it, dont lie to her - dont tell her shes the
perfect height if you dont believe it.
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Great approaches have a vibe that says, This is an opportunity for you (the
woman) to have a valuable interaction.
The direct approach presents a unique challenge since it is very common for
the inexperienced practitioner to convey giver when using a complimenttype opener. He must rely on projecting value through his vibe, as opposed to
having it built into the opener.
One of the most challenging approaches from a logistical standpoint is
opening a woman who is walking away from you. It requires a high level of
physical awareness and playfulness. Any taker vibe must be immediately
diffused by increasing your distance, or by using humor. It requires a very
subtle balance of vibe, body language, and timing.
Congruence to Intention
An intention is your underlying purpose and role in a womans life. An intention
can take many forms. You can be the guy who helps her with her math
homework, to the guy who sweeps her off of her feet and changes her life
forever. There are many different intentions, and it is the pick up artists job to
1. Familiarize yourself with the most common and effective intentions
2. Decide which intention is most relevant to a given situation
3. Congruently execute your chosen intention via a continuous flow of
action
The two most common categories of intention are direct and indirect. A direct
intention is one in which you express genuine interest in a girl from a place of
higher value. You would then continue to reassure her of this all along the way,
and treat her as if she is very special and unique. An indirect intention is one in
which your interaction with a girl is purely social; your interest is in something
besides her. Maybe you are talking to her just to get an opinion, or you are
bored, or you just love the sound of your own voice!
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Shes single: shes open to romance and genuine interest from a guy
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are not chatting up three other women in the club reinforces that.
If you would like to convert the relationship from casual one more romantic,
continue to have sex with her regularly (1-2 times per week at least). The
repeated sex will result in emotional attachment.
Intention Shifting
While staying congruent to these specific intentions, there is also some
degree of flexibility. While it is best to avoid shifting intentions back and forth
throughout the interaction, there are two common points where intention can
be shifted without repercussion. I would recommend learning how to handle
both intentions very thoroughly before incorporating a shift into your game.
The two viable shifting points are Qualification and Conversion.
Qualification is when you explicitly convey your interest, after she has earned it.
Conversion is after you have had sex with her a few times such that she
doesnt write it off as a one night stand (usually between 2-4 times).
If you start with an indirect intention, you can shift to direct when you qualify
the girl. Stay direct until you successfully convert the girl. Starting out with
a very social game with heavy social proof, it becomes very important to
convince the girl you like her for a valid reason. That is why you must screen
her and qualify her verbally.
If your interaction starts off direct, you can switch to indirect after you have
successfully converted her. Direct interactions have less of a tolerance
for breaking congruency than indirect ones, so its wise to make sure the
conversion is thorough. She must become physically attached to you, through
repeated sex. At this point, you can choose to treat her as a casual partner,
while she will remain devoted to you emotionally.
Every successful pick up artist I have ever met has these concepts
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internalized. They may not be aware of it, but theyve got them. Understand
that Natural Game is complex and nuanced in theory. But developing a solid
foundation is crucial. Spontaneity, mutual value escalation, and congruence to
intention are the keys for getting started.
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Compliance/Value
Traditional
Perception of
Compliance
marriage
sex
expensive
gift
fondling,
etc
exclusivity
kissing
dinner date
meet you
compliment
Here I have made two bars, each representing a man and womans
relative values. The height of the bar represents their perceived value. The
man and woman have equal value in this diagram, for different types of value
the mans survival value to the woman is equal to the womans sexual value
to the man.
Here it is necessary to discern between compliance, and compliancepotential, or willingness. Compliance is a real act, while willingness to
comply exists in the mind. Although this discernment is crucial, compliance
and willingness are in-effect the same thing. For all practical purposes,
willingness and actual compliance have the same effect in the C-V relationship.
In diagram 1a, the tick marks along the side represent the levels of potential
compliance that are available for each person. In this diagram, the man has
potential to get sex from the woman, and the woman has potential to get
marriage from the man.
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Fig. 1b
Mutual
Compliance
Escalation
Compliance/Value
marriage
sex
expensive
gift
fondling,
etc
exclusivity
kissing
dinner date
meet you
compliment
In order to move to the next level of compliance, two things are necessary.
Firstly, you need perceived value of at least the same level or higher than the
girl. Your value creates attraction and a willingness to comply. The second
thing you need is comfort and trust. After all, women dont go around sleeping
with every guy that has higher value than them.
A womans comfort and trust is based in her thinking that compliance
escalation will continue after she complies sexually. Comfort and trust are
needed in proportion to how much sexual compliance she gives. Complying
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with her requests is one way of developing comfort and trust, but it is
recommended you only comply with small requests that you dont mind
fulfilling. Hold off on complying with the large requests, since it can be quite
detrimental to your value. Take your time escalating, and be sure to screen
and qualify.
Attraction is the result of withheld compliance of value. The compliance
a woman feels she deserves, but doesnt yet have, induces attraction to
you, because you are the source of value she is seeking. Screening and
qualification makes her seek your compliance the commitment of your
survival value because S&Q imply you are a valuable guy. Her interpretation
is that you are used to attractive women and have developed high standards.
And only a high-value man has such access to attractive women.
Its important to note that having your compliance request rejected puts
your value into flux. (Well talk about value flux a little later, when we discuss
application). When a person declines your compliance request, it is not
necessarily because they perceive your value to be low. It is usually just
because they arent sure what your value is yet. Look at a rejection as an
opportunity to define your value with your subsequent actions.
For instance, if you go to kiss a girl, and she rejects you, its not necessarily
because she perceives your value as being low. It is simply because shes not
sure. If you try to kiss her again, right away, you may lose value in her eyes. If
you get angry or upset, or otherwise deflated, you will certainly lose all value.
If, on the other hand you are cool and nonchalant about it, or you humorously
tease her and joke about it, your perceived value will increase. You can try
again later with a better likelihood of getting a kiss.
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Fig. 2a
Special Case:
Woman Has
Higher Value
sex
Compliance/Value
fondling,
etc
kissing
marriage
expensive gift
exclusivity
meet you
dinner date
compliment
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Fig. 2b
Special Case:
Man Has Higher
Value
marriage
Compliance/Value
expensive
gift
exclusivity
dinner date
sex
fondling, etc
kissing
meet you
compliment
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Reverse
Supplication
Levels
marriage
expensive
gift
RS Game
Compliance/Value
exclusivity
new car
rent
clothing
dinner
dinner date
sex
fondling, etc
kissing
meet you
compliment
As you can see I have filled in some examples into the reverse supplication
levels: dinner, clothing, a new car, leading up to prostitution. Playing at that
level is pimp game and Im not interested in that right now. Between sex and
prostitution is a very real region, of which holds many interesting possibilities.
Just the acknowledgment of these levels lowers the level of sexual
compliance. Bringing these levels into existence by reaching for them will
make her sexual compliance come easier. Value is only perception, and if
you are overshooting the goal of sex by making larger requests, you can be
perceived as having extremely high value.
In other words, if all you want is sex, the best way to get it, is to simply set
your sights beyond it.
For example,
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Ask her what kind of girls she likes before youve even slept with her.
Assume youre going to sleep with other girls in her social circle
before youve even slept with her.
Find out if she has any connections to club owners and tell her youd
like VIP access.
Keep in mind, you arent taking value from her, you are merely increasing your
own perceived value such that everything you give is appreciated to a higher
degree. She will be more likely to listen to you, more likely to laugh at your
jokes and more likely to try to get rapport with you.
Escalate compliance one small step at a time. The time-span for doing this
stuff can take months. And remember, compliance is pliable. When you have
a woman at breaking point and push her threshold, her maximum level of
compliance increases. As her compliance goes up, so does the limit of what
shell do in the future.
Another key is making it fun and worthwhile for a woman to do these things.
Make requests that are related to your identity. If you are a chef, have her
pick up some groceries so you can prepare a romantic dinner. If you are an
artist, have her pick up a new set of brushes, and let her watch you create
a masterpiece. This way you can build a lifestyle the two of you can share,
which is a core need for her.
Though this article is only a small portion of my entire reverse supplication method,
it is powerful enough to warrant two points of caution. First, do not use this
method for abuse. Women do these things because they love us and care for us.
Dont run this on a broke college girl, and dont run it on a woman you dont care
about. Use it carefully to develop your lifestyle and enhance the experiences that
you share together. Second, dont become so dependent that you cant take care
of yourself. If it ever gets to a point where you cannot maintain your finances or
keep your apartment clean all by yourself, youre in trouble. Trust me on this one.
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Fig. 4a
Value Flux
Compliance/Value
marriage
expensive
gift
exclusivity
RS Game
dinner date
new car
rent
clothing
dinner
compliment
sex
fondling, etc
kissing
meet you
will talk to you
In this example, the woman has kissed you. In general this behavior is in the
right direction and should be rewarded. There is a wide range of ways to do
this, but keep in mind, your reward will define your value, and therefore, how
she responds to you in the future. Lets say after the kiss, you decide to make
her your girlfriend and be exclusive to her. See Figure 4b. (next page)
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Value Flux
Compliance/Value
RS Game
new car
rent
clothing
dinner
marriage
sex
expensive gift
dinner date
fondling, etc
kissing
meet you
compliment
exclusivity
So the girl kisses you, and you decide to be exclusive to her. You bring up
relationship talk and tell her youve decided that you only want to see her.
Bad move. It would probably result in her telling you to take a hike, unless
shes a virgin and kissing is pretty high on her scale anyway.
Since exclusivity is pretty high on your compliance scale, transposing
your value bar so that it lines up with kissing would result in extremely low
perceived value.
Ok lets see what happens instead if you merely give her a compliment after
she has kissed you. Take a look at Figure 4c. (next page)
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Value Flux
expensive gift
Compliance/Value
exclusivity
RS Game
dinner date
new car
rent
clothing
dinner
sex
compliment
fondling, etc
kissing
meet you
will talk to you
As we see there, rewarding her kiss with a simple compliment goes a lot
further. You will create a much higher perceived value for yourself.
By creating a large amount of perceived value, you present yourself as a
valuable prize, a challenging conquest. A woman will realize that her efforts
will be both appreciated and at the same time, it will be an enticing chase.
Previously I mentioned that it the ultimate goal is to lower the effective level of
sexual compliance. As a pickup artist, you want to get her sexual compliance
as low as possible on the scale. Using these concepts makes that goal easy.
Eventually it will get to a point where it hits the bottom and drops off her
scale altogether.
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True
ALpha Male
Fig. 5
Compliance/Value
True Alpha
sex
blowjob
new car
physical affection
exotic vacation
tandem hunting
phone talk
compliment
dinner date
small tasks
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Shows you are understanding and cool and not angry or spiteful.
Frames it as her getting her life together so that she can connect with
you. (Her raising value to meet you)
Demonstrates that we both have good values and have priorities in our
lives straight.
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Meeting up:
She drives to a nearby shopping center, and I pick her up there. In the car we
have a few different conversations. Most of what I do is vibing free mental
association, nothing flashy. The energy is good. We are both relaxed and
feeling good in each others presence. She tells me about how the night she
met me, her friend was trying to hook her up with some guy, who was part of
the initial 4set. Since she doesnt like getting hooked up by other people, she
said that she gave the guy an attitude without even getting to know him.
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Direct approach and give great compliments. Direct works amazingly with
SHBs when you do it with class and distinction, see my complete Guide
to Direct Game post for more on this.
Open loops - pleasant surprises (dont reveal to her what the plans are)
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Having her drive out to my place (one hour), subtly makes me the prize
Setting frame right in the beginning: well have a wonderful romantic night
together, Its like a vacation away from her ordinary life.
Planning and leading evening - creating a fantasy world for her, that shes
never experienced before.
Inducing a trance state by going into trance myself while looking into her eyes.
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