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This Linus Pauling thing and whether he used ascorbic acid vs. whole food
Vitamin C. I seem to see people still saying that he used ascorbic acid so
they use it but someone in another FB group quoted from The Calcium Lie
2 that Robert Thompson says that Pauling used whole Vitamin C. Once and
for all, what kind of vitamin C did Pauling use? I would love to have
something to show the folks that still think ascorbic acid is ok to take that
shows that Pauling used a whole food form of C!
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Kenneth Lim The article also mentions about h202, hello Haber-Weiss /
Fenton reaction. Vitamin c seems to kill drug resistant TB as well.
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Marsha Scheitlin Kenneth Lim I am seeing evidence that the key reason for
Vitamin C(ascorbate) to successfully treat TB imay be due to increased
Interferon Gamma (IFN-y). Not only this reference but other studies as
well....TB treatment with ascorbate is also mention... See More

CDC | TB | Fact Sheets | Interferon-Gamma Release

Assays (IGRAs)
Interferon-Gamma Release Assays (IGRAs) are whole-blood tests that
can aid in diagnosing Mycobacterium tuberculosis infection. They do not
help differentiate latent tuberculosis infection (LTBI) from tuberculosis
disease. Two IGRAs that have been approved by the U.S. Food and Drug
Administration (FD
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Kim Tracey Konash Marsha do you have any documentation on the effect of
IFN-y's role in D3 comversion? Does it modulate the VDR? I would also be
interested to know if vitamin c in any form can increase this effect. I have
elevated D 1, 25 without supplementation and in spite of avoiding
concentrated sources of D like CLO
June 14 at 5:38pm Like
Amy Holston Thank you for the info Robert Thompson. You guys discussing
the details of the C stuff are so much smarter than me! I'm glad I can benefit
from your knowledge and brain power!
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Kenneth Lim Some diseases such as Sarcoidosis are associated with

elevated D 1, 25. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcoidosis

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Marsha Scheitlin Kim Tracey Konash

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25048990 Mary Mangin RN is an author
of this study and she also heads the Chronic Illness Recovery website.
Sarcoidosis - there are testimonials on her site as well. IFN-y is mentioned in
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Robert Thompson Marsha, I don't know. LOL reallly, there is verly little
published about the whole molecule and how it breaks down. Good question?
Your link confirms what I have been saying. Think of it ascorbate and ascorbic
acid as antibiotics. Then, the effects see... See More
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Marsha Scheitlin Robert Thompson My son & I are fast oxidzers, we have
adequate zinc and are to focus on Vitamin A and Magnesium, not Vitamin C. I
find that interesting has both Zinc and Vitamin C have an effect on the immune
system and zinc helps modulate TH1/TH2 - seems to favor TH1 and increases
IFN-y - as does Vitamin C. http://www.pubfacts.com/.../Zinc-transporter-ZIP8SLC39A8....
June 16 at 6:06am Edited Like
Robert Thompson Actually it is ascorbic acid that does the above, not
Vitamin C. It may be explained by the antagonistic effect of Zinc on Copper.
Also, one would expect the copper to be unutilized due the the ascorbic acid.
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Marsha Scheitlin Robert Thompson - I DID know that it was ascorbate that
affected IFN-y. I find this whole subject utterly fascinating!
June 16 at 7:15pm Edited Like
Kenneth Lim I think ascorbic acid just chelates out copper whether usable or
toxic. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOZo0-vC93I&t=5m29s
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Marsha Scheitlin Kenneth Lim We had adverse effects using Potent C Guard
which is Dr. Jaffe's product. Back to my thoughts on IFN-y.....ascorbate
increases IFN-y and my son is not zinc deficient so he already had enough
IFN-y. Dr. Jaffe claims that using a buffered ... See More
June 17 at 9:29am Edited Like
Kenneth Lim People with IFN-y receptor deficiency can also have high level
of IFN-y, possibly made worse by supplementation. Does whole food vitamin C
work better for him? http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/.../107/4/e48.full.pdf
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Marsha Scheitlin Actually, Rick Malter did our HTMA consult and we were not
advised to supplement with whole food vitamin C - he is a fast oxidizer and
apparently this type (which I am also) doesn't really need the Vitamin C as
readily. He does get it in his whole foo... See More
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Kenneth Lim I guess just stick to wide variety of whole food (organic
preferable). These people in Guangxi Bama eat organic whole food, drink
mineral rich mountain water, breathe fresh air (-ion), expose to natural
sunshine rich in UVB and many of them live to 100+ without chronic illness. I
doubt they know much about supplementation.
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Robert Thompson Me too Marsha. Me too. I think it all makes more sense when we
consider the role of copper in the human (huge) and the need for the C molecule to
utilize it. I have had many patients who have been anemic their whole life, and have
loaded up on iron and... See More
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Marsha Scheitlin Robert Thompson What does the loss of the blue color
mean in terms of adequate copper? There is no doubt that ascorbate interfers
with this process..... http://www.jbc.org/content/239/4/1042.full.pdf "In their
description of the isolation and properties of cerulo- plasmin, Holmberg and
Laurel1 (1) noted that this intensely blue copper-protein could be decolorized
by reducing agents such as ascorbic acid."
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Marsha Scheitlin Robert Thompson
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1134854/
"Ascorbate generates dopa by the reduction of o-dopaquinone at a rate which
is higher than that which occurs in its absence"
"In conclusion, ascorbic acid is an effective reducing ag... See More

Effect of L-ascorbic acid on the

monophenolase activity of tyrosinase.
The effect of ascorbic acid on the monophenolase...
NCBI.NLM.NIH.GOV

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Melissa Ruffing In light of this discussion, can anyone recommend a good

whole foods based vit C?
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MJ Hamp Go to FILES and read the list of vetted wholefood vitamin C brands.
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Melissa Ruffing I'll go back to files. I was looking this morning & didn't see
anything, which is why I asked. But, I'll take another look...
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Robert Thompson Marsha, Thats a lot of questions. Remember when it says
something is a Reducing agent, that means it is oxidizing (you probably know
that). or pro-oxidanta . There can be good reasons for that and bad.
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Robert Thompson I am not sure why the blue disappears, probably it is

oxidation (being recuced). Oxidation is a powerful reaction. Remember, it turns
iron to rust.
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Robert Thompson that should be oxidant. No a. lol

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Robert Thompson Marsha, the inhibition of Tyrosinase by ascorbic acid is
another conformation of what I have been saying. I am sure there is more.
Thanks for sharing this with me and the Mg group. Excellent work.
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Marsha Scheitlin Robert Thompson I'm sure that that is more also.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10727774

Fragmentation of human ceruloplasmin

induced by hydrogen peroxide. -...
NCBI.NLM.NIH.GOV | BY CHOI SY , ET AL.

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Kim Tracey Konash Marsha, once again, you got me curious. From time to
time a dangerous thing to do, lol. I think this is the most significant thing I
found: "the blue color of the protein (ceruloplasmin) was dependent on at least
some of its copper atoms being in
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Kim Tracey Konash Here is the study:
http://www.jbc.org/content/238/5/1675.full.pdf
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Rob Crisdale All About Ascorbic Acid: https://youtu.be/0kIGfZMrIZs
Top world reknowned herbalist gives his views on ascorbic acids

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Kim Tracey Konash Rob, is this supposed to be an authoritative source?
With all due respect, it doesn't come across that way, and contradicts nearly
everything that has been posted in this group by professionals. His whole tone
is unprofessional. MJ Morley Dr. Thompson, this particular post is so bad I
think it should be removed. It shouldn't even be dignified with a response.
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Rob Crisdale Kim Tracey Konash yes tony is an authorative source amongst
natural medicine. He may look to you like he's a quack and he may not have
MD or PHD next to his name but he does have years of experience in treating
many ailments all over the world. Frankly... See More
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Kim Tracey Konash Rob, the biggest issue I have with your response is "We
can get bogged down into the science of all this..." Science doesn't have
answers to every question, but it DOES provide us with basic facts of
biochemistry on which we must base our understandin... See More
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Rob Crisdale Well firstly ..Dr Thompson is the 10% i was referring to that
actually take the time to look into specific areas, and im not for 1 minute
discredeting his views. As tony pointed out, whether its whole food c or
ascorbic acid they are both extracted in ... See More
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Mandy Chadwick Kim Tracey Konash .. I agree
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Kim Tracey Konash Rob, he refers to ascorbic acid in both instances - either
synthetic or extracted from a whole food source. Many of the "whole food"
vitamin c's on the market are not really whole food. There is a small list of
those that are recommended, and Dr. Tho... See More

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Rob Crisdale if you watch whole video , he mixes

potasium..magnesium...boron...ascorbic acid ...edta..aspirin...baking soda
which most of here have been recommended by morley and others etc as
important cofactors to vit c. As he says...he doesnt agree with whole f... See More
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Jeannie Wright From a website provided by the Linus Pauling Institute.
http://lpi.oregonstate.edu/.../vitamin-C/supplemental-forms

Supplemental Forms | Linus Pauling

Institute | Oregon State University
The Micronutrient Information Center is supported by...
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Marsha Scheitlin Kim Tracey Konash the study that you provided on
Ceruloplasmin, it .... "had a molecular weight of 151,000 (l), contained 8 atoms
of copper per molecule (I), and possessed a moderate amount of oxidase

activity toward p-phenylenediamine and several ... See More

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Marsha Scheitlin In reference to my last post that talks about pphenylenediamine....From Wilkapedia....Wurster's blue is the trivial name
given to the chemical N,N,N,N-tetramethyl-p-phenylenediamine, also known
as TMPD. It is an easily oxidised phenylenediamine, which loses two electrons
in one-electron oxidation steps; the radical cation is a characteristic blue-violet
colour, which gives the compound part of its name.......
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Marsha Scheitlin Robert Thompson Kim Tracey Konash Kenneth Lim Morley
Robbins I am curious as to the effect of ascorbate on dopaquinone and the
recycling involved because quinones seem to be able to produce hydrogen
peroxide. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21395522 "Ascorbate-driven
quinone redox cycling leads to ROS formation and provoke an oxidative stress
that preferentially kill cancer cells and spare healthy tissues"

Redox-active quinones and ascorbate: an

innovative cancer therapy that exploits...
NCBI.NLM.NIH.GOV | BY VERRAX J , ET AL.

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Morley Robbins Kim Tracey Konash
Thank you for that STUNNING article on Ceruloplasmin!... I
I.Q. & INTEGRITY of this gaggle of MAG-pies!...... See More
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Marsha Scheitlin Morley Robbins It is time to put the nail in the coffin, so to
speak.
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Morley Robbins Marsha Scheitlin,

Agreed!...
And thank YOU for your tireless & detailed research contributions!...... See More
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Marsha Scheitlin Morley Robbins Can we save this to file? Does the
originator of the post need to do it?
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MJ Hamp Morley Robbins - Do I sense the time is near for a "C" rule, too?
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MJ Hamp Marsha Scheitlin - Yes, of course you can save to file and upload as
a PDF.
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Morley Robbins MJ Hamp & Marsha Scheitlin, I haven't a clue how that's
done, but we seem to have a "C"ompelling "C"ase re yet another "D"ietary
"D"eception...
Please file, Merci!... See More
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Marsha Scheitlin Morley Robbins I'm having a little trouble figuring this out
MJ Hamp can you upload this file and delete what I did?
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Morley Robbins Marsha Scheitlin
Pls note, I just added one key factoid to my earlier comments ^^^^...
Pls Revise the File, if you don't mind and Re-name it: Whole Vit-C vs
Ascorbate Debate"
Many thanks!
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Marsha Scheitlin I will keep trying but MJ Hamp may have to take care of my
errors - because I can't delete them.... Like you, I want to get this done.
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