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3 points of confusion around the Indus water
treaty and the way forward
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October 2, 2016
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This is a news thread for the utterly
confused, the complete newbies, for the
confused billis who have no clue why and
how the world works!
We read a news headline and we go in a deep meditative
screen gaze! Wut the hell keeps on happening everyday! I
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popped up the question of – what is cold doctrine, what is
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doctrine of attack across 3 wings of army, airforce and navy!
I had no clue. I was busy researching on this indus water
treaty! Why did Nehru ji sign this at all!! Anyway – here is my
confused research
Confusion Level 1 – What is this indus water treaty?
Are there other treaties that we have signed with
other neighbours?
After independence we had conflict with Pak over most of the
things no! So the 6 rivers that flow through that border area –
Pak took these three western rivers (the Indus, the Chenab
and the Jhelum)
India took these three eastern rivers (the Beas, the Ravi and
the Sutlej)
But India got 20% control over Indus waters!
Who brokered the deal? World Bank! Also, also – this was no
water sharing – it was plain, simple partition! Rivers ka bhi
partition.
Do we have river sharing anywhere? YES. I was thinking
bangladesh, nepal and china and I found this.
“Bangladesh, the eastern neighbour with which India hopes
to resolve differences on sharing of Teesta and Feni rivers, is
crisscrossed by over 300 rivers, 54 of which are common
with India.”
http://www.dnaindia.com/india/reportbangladeshacountry
thatshares54riverswithindia1584128
(http://www.dnaindia.com/india/reportbangladeshacountry
thatshares54riverswithindia1584128)
China we know of course has influence in Brahmaputra’s
flow. And Prelims waley ye bhi pooch saktey hain –
“The Brahmaputra, one of India’s major rivers, originates in
Tibet and flows into Arunachal Pradesh and Assam before
going into Bangladesh.”
So, China did this 19 hours ago –
http://www.hindustantimes.com/indianews/chinablocks
brahmaputratributaryimpactonwaterflowinindianot
clear/storyQVAYbO2iOBFUSynwwpyneN.html
(http://www.hindustantimes.com/indianews/chinablocks
brahmaputratributaryimpactonwaterflowinindianot
clear/storyQVAYbO2iOBFUSynwwpyneN.html)
Think of Nepal and we have this –
A Treaty on Integrated Development of Mahakali was signed
between India and Nepal in February, 1996 which came into
force in June 1997 (Mahakali Treaty).
River in case = Sarda
Who else is left? Bhutan? Aah – I have no patience to google
it coz i have a new question!
Confusion Level 2: Can we just walk off the indus
water treaty? Just like that! Like a boss?
Modi sir to bol diye ki blood and water cannot flow together
but but Nehru Sir has signed this clause!
“Article XII of the treaty says “The provisions of this Treaty, or,
the provisions of this Treaty as modified under the provisions
of Paragraph (3), shall continue in force until terminated by a
duly ratified treaty concluded for that purpose between the
two governments.” Still if India wants to go about abrogating
it, the country should abide by the 1969 Vienna convention
on the law of treaties”
Vienna convention on laws of treaties!!! I have no time to
google it coz I wonder if let’s say we stop the flow. What next
– Do we have reservoirs to hold water? I know its not UPSC
stuff but what if there are dams and UPSC just asks about
PRELIMS ques on those!!!
I found that india has no storage facility on western rivers.
Okay, I googled about Vienna Treaty and India’s case in it
and found that India has neither signed nor ratified the law on
treaties
Read more here – http://swarajyamag.com/world/howindia
canunilaterallywalkawayfromtheinduswaterstreaty
(http://swarajyamag.com/world/howindiacanunilaterally
walkawayfromtheinduswaterstreaty)
But, hypothetically if in case we break the treaty – what do
we get!
– India will get more share from Indus and will help in
developing Irrigation and HEP in J&K.
– However many neighbours like Nepal and Bangladesh with
whom we’ve water treaties may go sceptical.
– China may get an excuse to build even more dams at
Brahmaputra and we can’t oppose forcefully.
Confusion Level 3: What do experts say on this. Coz
opeds likhne to band nahi hue. Every human who
has an opinion and a laptop is writing sagas over
this.
Here’s what I found –
WB Says: At most the World Bank would step into, as per
the treaty, to appoint a “neutral expert”, or help set up a Court
of Arbitration, in case of a dispute.
Expert 1: India does not have the enough storage facility to
create a supply problem immediately for Pakistan.
“It has to raise its dam structures and that will take time.
There is also another angle to it. India, even if it wants to,
cannot take the water out of Kashmir Valley. So, the water of
the three rivers (Indus, Jhelum and Chenab) will remain in
their basin and India cannot divert that to other areas due to
geographical reasons. India can stop the supply for some
time, but cannot divert it.”
Expert on China: China is quietly signalling India that any
abrogation of the Indus Waters Treaty to punish its all
weather friend Pakistan will have consequences for this
country as well.
All this tells me that kuch nahi hone wala. Ek Mains ka ques
banega shayad but Prelims… maybe yes.
The Big Picture -Indus Water Treaty:Can it become the handle?
Questions from Prelims Daily
#1. Consider following statements in regard to ‘Indus
Water Treaty’.
1. India is allowed to use only 30 per cent of river Indus
water for irrigation, power generation and transport
purposes.
2. A Permanent Indus Commission was set up as a
bilateral commission to implement and manage the
Treaty.
3. Though Indus originates from Tibet, China has been
kept out of the Treaty.
Which of the statements given above is/are correct?
a) 1 and 2 only
b) 3 only
c) 2 and 3 only
d) 1, 2 and 3 only
Questions from Target Mains
#1. It is argued that a review of the Indus Water Treaty could
prove to be a doubleedged sword for India. Discuss why.
#2. From India’s point of view, what are the the pros and cons
of the Indus water treaty? Examine.
#3. How did India and Pakistan solve Indus river water
sharing problem? Do you think both countries can resolve
their other bilateral problems in the same manner? Critically
examine.
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October 9, 2016 at 10:39 pm
With respect to Indus Waters Treaty
*It says India can use waters of western rivers for nonconsumptive use.
*Also it says that India can use water even for irrigation,STORAGE,producing electricity
*For STORAGE there will be the need of building reservoir but is it allowed?
*Now read the Annexure E is titled, “Storage of Waters by India on the Western Rivers”of
the original from the following link:
http://mea.gov.in/bilateraldocuments.htm?dtl/6439/Indus (http://mea.gov.in/bilateral
documents.htm?dtl/6439/Indus)
ANNEXURE ESTORAGE OF WATERS BY INDIA ON THE WESTERN RIVERS
(Article III (4))
The provisions of this Annexure shall apply with respect to the storage of water on the
Western Rivers, and to the construction and operation of Storage Works thereon, by
India under the provisions of Article 111 (4).
As used in this Annexure :
“Storage Work” means a work constructed for the purpose of impounding the waters of a
stream; but excludes
(i) a small Tank,
(II) the works specified in Paragraphs 3 and 4 of Annexure D, and
(iii) a new work constructed in accordance with the provisions of Annexure D.
“Reservoir Capacity” means the gross volume of water which can be stored in the
reservoir.
“Dead Storage Capacity” means that portion of the Reservoir Capacity which is not used
for operational purposes, and “Dead Storage” means the corresponding volume of water.
“Live Storage Capacity” means the Reservoir Capacity excluding Dead Storage
Capacity, and “Live Storage” means the corresponding volume of water.
Outlet works: function, type, size, number, maximum designed capacity and sill levels.
Discharge proposed to be passed through the Plant, initially and ultimately, and expected
variations in the discharge on account of the daily and the weekly load fluctuations.
(i) Maximum aggregate capacity of power units (exclusive of standby units) for Firm
Power and Secondary Power.
(ii) Regulating Basin and its outlet works : type, number, size, sill levels and designed
maximum discharge capacity.
General
Estimated effect of proposed development on the flow pattern below the last plant
downstream (with details of estimation),.
Probable date of completion of river works, and dates on which various stages of the
Plant would come into operation.
*Is not both contradictory?
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October 10, 2016 at 11:48 pm
@confused (http://www.civilsdaily.com/members/confused/) please clear up this
confusion…
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confused
October 11, 2016 at 1:08 am
I never went into the depth of this. Reason being that you are to have a general
view of all CA and not go into clauses and annexes.
And this is wayyy to information to munch over – cost benefit ratio rules it out.
Sorry – but my advice is to skip over this confusion.
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How may anyone guess the question of prelims and make easy guess work get success
too…I am very poor in this …prelims is big challenge please help ..
confused
Thanks everyone, the 3rd post in this series is out –
Do you also find E&B opeds boring? Me too but I found an
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Just to illustrate what I meant by my initial post .. something on Indus Water Treaty
..
1.
(http://s3apsoutheast1.amazonaws.com/wpcd
uploads/uploads/2016/10/indus.jpg)
2.
(http://s3apsoutheast1.amazonaws.com/wpcd
uploads/uploads/2016/10/indus1.jpg)
google20
Appreciate your response!
My feedback was based on the general ‘value’ with which CD has approach
guidance for civil services ..
> emphasis on quick learning – as evident from synopsis, flashcards and other
techniques
> more learning per line
Since we civil service aspirants have to read so many things.. attention span to any
article is less, especially for those who have exams round the corner ..
So your articles will essentially be targeting new comers who has luxury of time
and will go through them at ease and for people like me who have mains in next 60
days .. they [may not] have the right mindset to appreciate your hard work .. or
laugh at some of the ‘tongueincheek’ inputs in there !
Nevertheless .. I wish you all the best !
Good Luck !
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Feedback duly noted. We have been quite objective with our approach in
Newscards, Opeds, Explains or for that matter even the Target Mains initiative and
this is an experiment at narrative approach.
Yes, IAS aspirants tend to have less patience for verbose stuff hence attempt is
being made here to digress a little and try to keep things light.
We understand that you guys writing mains this year will have paucity of time. And
if I am not wrong – you are dabbling with work + prep, right?
Wish you the very best!
google20
Yes ! I am already in civil service .. and my boss has denied me leave until Oct end
.. because of work pressure !
So I hardly get 56 yrs daily .. except on weekends ..
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Great to know that. Hope studies are manageable still.
confused
You are already in! Woaah. Nobody here knew and everybody was missing you in
action all along these days in the writing initiatives.
What service? And boss ko bolo bhai ki AS nikalna hai kuch bhi karke
google20
I am in Trade Service (through 2013 exam) and will join IRS(through 2015) in
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I was like .. Arrrggghhh !!
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manage.How do you manage and strategize..I am an average student who lacks
analytical thinking..please help although too busy in preparing mains..please find
some time
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haha. Not a word wasted
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Nice initiative, keep writing
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> With so many standard stuffs to read, aspirants lose appetite for additional stuffs
especially the ones which are lengthy/verbose ..
> Please provide to the point information – its easier and will help both in prelims and
mains. This will make most of the aspirants to simply copy/paste your stuff into their
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Microsoft Visio can be used here.
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Ab Billi ne laya clarity. Thank you Interesting initiative…
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@confused (http://www.civilsdaily.com/members/confused/) Nice explanation! Format
ache hai…! much more interesting to read through.
Confusion 4: that 20% share isn’t it from west rivers? and eastern rivers are completely
ours?
confused
hmm. google karna padega. Anyone for help here!
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Yes completely ours. No matter how many dams we make, canals etc as per the
treaty Pak cant do anything (and that’s why it was looking for a revision of the
treaty. Did something in August this year about revising the treaty)
But I guess there’s an implicit given that we cant simply stop/divert all water.
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