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THE PROBLEM OF SELF POSSIBILITY OF NAZ:I:R

The word Nazir is often translated as Identical Copy of a thing. But actually it
does not means a copy but plurality of Exaxtly alike things such that each
one of them is genuine or original or both.
According to Khairabadi School of Thought the Naz:i:r of Holy Prophet is
Muh:a:; Bidh" Dh:a:t and not In Power of Omnipotence of 'ALL-H.
On the Contrary according to Ahlussunnah Naz:a:'ir [Pl of Naz:i:r] are Self
Possible [Mumkin Bidh:Dh:a:t].
There are two arguments advanced by Khairaba:di School of Thought.
1] Holy Prophet is First of All Creations and Last of All Prophets.
If a Naz:i:r of Holy Prophet is Supposed then There are the following Logically
Possible Cases.
1.1] The Naz:ir Doeth have these to properties, But this is Self Absurd.
Since two first of all means that each one of the two is prior to the other this
is Muh:a:l Bidh: Dh:a:t [Self Absurd].
Similarly two Last of all means two things each posterior to the other and This
is Self Absurd.
1,2] The Naz:i:r does lack either one of the two Attributes stated above or
both of them then it ceaseh to be a Naz:i:r.
2] A Naz:i:t implies Kidh:b of Deity and that is Muh:a:l Bidh:dh:a:t.
Discussion on the first argument of Khairabadis.
'Auvalul Makhlu:qa:t doeth mean :=a ]Created Existent Prior to that one
Infinite Existents are Self Possible yet not Created. Even the very self of
Priority is Self Possible [Per Se Possible].
b] Neither Prior Nor Posterior to that one Infinite Existents are Possible Yet Not
Created.
Similarly Khatim 'An Nabiyi:n Meaneth that:=a] Posterior to that one Infinite
Prophets are Self Possible yet never to be Created [With Certainty].
b] Neither Prior Nor Posterior to That One Infinite Prophets are Self Possible
Yet Never to be Created.
In more explicit deduction a Khatim is One whoese Neither Posterior is Created
Nor " Neither Posterior not Prior Is Created.

As Naz:i:r is an Special Case of Neither Posterior nor Prior , KHATIM is one


Whose Naz:i:r is not Created INSPITE if Its Self Possibility.
It is not the Case that its Posterir or "Neither Posterior Nor Prior" is Self
Absurd.
So in any case a Naz:ir of Holy Prophet is Self Possible Since the Possibility of
Naz:i:r is one of the Self Possibilities Stated above.
So If a Naz:i:r Of Holy Prophet is Supposed to Exist then in the Case of:=
a] 'Auvalul Makhluqa:t it is the Self Possibility of an Existent that is Prior to all Created Existents
except the first Created One of Created Existent to which it is Neither Posterior Nor Prior.
b] Kha:tim 'An Nabiyi:n it is the Self Possibility of an Existent that is Posterir to all Created Except
the Last Created One of Created Prophets to which it is Neither Posterior Nor Prior.
So to argue that the Naz:i:r of Holy Prophet Must have these to Attributes is a fallacy.
Since it Self- Implieth that Naz:i:r of a thing With out Naz:i:r must be With out a Naz:i:r.
This condition is incorrect and invalid.
So the Naz:i:r of Holy Prophet does not Existeth Since Rasu:liullah Is Kha:tim 'An Nabiyi:n and a
Kha:tim 'An Nabiyi:n is one Whose Naz:ir 'ALL-H Doeth Not Create even if It is Self Possible.
So the Word Kha:tim is the Non Occurance of a Self Possible act of 'ALL-H [i.e Creation of Naz:i:r]
and not the Self Absurdity of the Naz:i:r.
Similarly the Word 'Auval is the Non Occurance of a Self Possible act of 'ALL-H [i.e Creation of
Naz:i:r] and not the Self Absudity of the Naz:i:r.
So this is the fallacy that Maulvi Fad:l H:aqq Khairabadi confused to Self Possibility and
Occurance.
He confused the Act of Qudrah and act of Takvi:n.
In 'Ash"arite system his fallacy is that he confused two types of Acts of Qudrah [Omnipotence] of
'ALL-H. A] Self Possible Acts.
b] Excercised Acts.
When Deity Excercised the First act it did means that there were infinite act Self Possible prior to
it and Infinite acts Self Possible which were Neither Prior to It Nor Posterior to It.
To each Possible Act there are finite act which are Prior to It and there are infinite acts which are
Neither Posterior to it nor Prior to it.

It doethnot mean that any act prior to it was Self Absurd or any act neither prior to it not
posterior to it was self absurd or both.
Similrly When Deity Excercised the First [or Last ] act of a kind [ Creating Prophets] it did means
that there were infinite act Self Possible posterior to it and Infinite acts Self Possible which
were Neither Prior to It Nor Posterior to It.
It doethnot mean that any act posterior to it was Self Absurd or any act neither prior to it not
posterior to it was self absurd or both.
Also even the posteririty and priority are Self Possible and to each excercised or possible [or
both] priority or posteriority there are infinite Self Possible Posteriorities and Priorities.
Divine Omnipotence and Divine Omniscience are Upon each one of them.
Also Eternity is infinitely Prior to each one of the stated above Posteriority.
So this discussion excludes Priority of Eternity and Eternals with Self Necessity and Rational
Necessity.
THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE APPROACHES OF KHAIRABADI SCHOOL OF THOUGHT AND AHLUSSUNNAH
APPROACH OF THOUGHT.
According to Khairabadi approach of thought the Self Possibilities of a thing are discreate ,finite
and limited. In the domain of Creation there is a Possible Existent [i.e A Thing that is Possible to
be Created by 'ALL-H , not in the meaning that this thing EXISTETH] such that :=
1] There is Self Aburdity for any Self Possible thing Prior to It.
2] There is a Self Absurdity for any Self Possible thing Neither Posterior to it nor Prior to It.
This they call by the Term First of all Existents.
If such a thing Existeth it is the First of all Creations.
Similarly they say about the last of things.
For example Holy Prophet is the Last of Prophets and the Final Prophet. So according to
Khairabadi School of Thought Holy Prophet is the Last prophet means that :=
1]It is Self Absurd for any Self Possible Prophet to be Posterior to Him.
2] It is Self Absurd for any Self Possible Prophet to be Neither Posterior to Him Nor "Neither
Posterior to Him nor Prior to Him.
In this meaning Holy Prophet is the Last and the Final Prophet as according to Khairabadi School
of thought.

According to the Pure Ahlussunnah School Of Thought things are other wise.
To each and every Self Possible there is a Self Possible, That is Self Possible to be Prior to It.
To each and every Self Possible there is a Self Possible that is Self Possible to be Posterior to It.
To each and every Self Possible there is a Self Possible that is Self Possible to be Posterior to It.
To each and every Self Possible there is a Self Possible that is Self Possible to be " Neither
Posterior to it nor Prior to it.
Even the Posteriority , Priority, and Neither Posteriority Not Priority of a Self Possible to an other
Self Possible are Self Possible.
All these Self Implies Infinite Many of each kind stated above.
Now we come to another Point.
There are infinite many Self Possibles such that to each one of them there is atleast one distinct
self Possible Self Possibly Prior to it.
So if Deity Createth any one of these Self Possibles [Self Possible Existents (Self Possibles which
are Creatable or Self Possible to Exist)] the as the First Act of Creation Deity Selecteth one of the
Self Possible individual from the series of infinite Series of Self Possibles , not selecting infinite
many Self Possible Individuals Prior to it [the selected one].
Similarly the same is true for Neither Posterior nor Prior Self Possible Individual.
So if a thing is first of all Creations then this Self Implieth that there are infinite may Self
Possible Individuals that are Prior to it and Neither Prior to It nor Posterior to it but they are not
Created.
Similarly if a Prophet is the last of all Prophets then it meaneth that there are Infinite many Self
Possible Individuals of Prophet Posterior to it but NONE OF THEM are to Be Created, and There are
Infinite Many Individuals of Prophets which are Neither Posterior nor Prior to Him Yet they are
Never Created.
A Naz:i:r is a Special case of an Individual that is Neither Posterior Nor Prior.
So If an Existent is Self Possible and Is First of All Existents then this meaneth that its Naz:i:r is
Self Possible but Absurd With Seperate.
Since if a thing is First of All Creations then it is first of All Creations if and only if :=
1] Any Self Possible Individual Prior to it is Absurd with Seperate.
2] Any Self Possible Individual Neither Posterior to It nor Prior to It is Absurd With Seperate.

3] Its Naz:i:r is Absurd With Seperate.


4] Self Possible Individuals Posterior to It are Not Absurd With Seperate.
5] The Existent itself is a Self Possible Individual.
Since if an Individual Existing Prophet is Last of All Created Prophets then the Prophet is the last
of All Created Prophets if and only if :=
1] The Prophet is a Self Possible Individual.
2] Any Self Possible Individual Prophet Posterior to the Individual Existing Prophet is ABSURD
WITH SEPARATE [MUH:A:L BIL GH:AIR].
3] Any Individual Self Possible Prophet that is Neither Posterior to the stated existing Individual
Prophet Nor Prior to the Stated above individual ,is Absurd with Seperate.
4] Its Naz:i:r is Absurd With Seperate.
5] Self Possible individuals Prior to the Stated above are not Absurd With Seperate.
So if a thing is last of all Prophet Self Implieth that it its Naz:i:r is Absurd With Separate.
If the Naz:ir of a thing is Not Absurd With Separate then the Thing is Neither First of all its Kind
nor last of all its type. This is the point to be noted.
Now we come to discuss to famous question of Khairabadi School of Thought.
The question consisteth of two parts.
a] If Naz:ir of an Existing thing that is First of all of its Kind existeth then if its Naz:ir is supposed to
exist then either it is either prior to it or posterior to it.
In the first case the said thing ceaseth to be first. Hence ceaseth to be a Naz:ir. In the second
case the the individual that is the Naz:ir becometh the second and not first. Second is not a
Naz:i:r of First.
b] a] If Naz:ir of an Existing thing that is Last of all of its Kind existeth then if its Naz:ir is supposed
to exist then either it is either prior to it or posterior to it.
If it is Prior to the last then it is not Last and Last cannot be a Naz:i:r of one that is not Last.
If it posterior to it then the thing ceaseth to be the Last and the Naz:ir becometh the Last. Last
cannot be A Naz:i:r of a thing that is not Last.

A RESPONCE TO THIS TYPE OF FALLACIOUS


ARGUMENTS:=

Answer Of This Question is as follow:=


A Naz:i:r of a Thing is NEITHER PRIOR to it NOR POSTERIOR to it.
It is Self Possible for 'ALL-H to Create two or more things Simultaneously [in the
meaning that None of The Two are Posterior to the other and none of the two are Prior
to the Other].

Naz:i:r is a Special Case of " Neither Posterior Nor Prior" .


Since if there is a Thing such that its Naz:i:r Existeth then its Naz:i:r is Neither Posterior to it Nor
Prior to
it.
But if A and B are any two things such that B is Neither Posterior to A ,Nor Prior to A, then it is not
necessary that Bis Naz:ir of A.
So the converse is not True in this case.
But if A and B are any two Distinct Existing things such that A is Naz:i:r of B then A is Neither
Posterior to A nor Prior to A. [ [They are Simultaneous in the meaning Neither Posterior Nor Prior].
Also:=
If a thing A is the Naz:i:r Of B then B is the Naz:i:r Of A.
Now the Question is as fallow:=
Is it in Omnipotence of Deity 'ALL-H to Create two or More Distict Self Possible Individuals
Simultaniously .
The answer is It is Self Possible and Not Self Absurd.
If the Na:zi:r of a thing Existeth then it is Neither First of ALL nor
Second of All nor Third of All , nor Forth of all ,... and so on till Last
of All.
If a thing is any one of the thing stated above say

th

of All then it Has No Naz:i:r.


The Fallacy of Argument:
In the argument 'Auvaliah and 'A:kh:irah are supposed to be the
Attributes of a Thing and its Naz:i:r.

This is incorrect.

SUMMARY:=
There is No Self Possible Prior to which a Self Possible is Self Absurd.[This discussion excludes
Divine Attributes if they are considered as Self Possible as Necessary Exception].
There is No Self Possible POSTERIOR to which a Self Possible is Self Absurd.[This discussion
excludes Divine Attributes if they are considered as Self Possible as Necessary Exception].
There is No Self Possible NEITHER Prior to which Nor Posterior to it a Self Possible is Self Absurd.
[This discussion excludes Divine Attributes if they are considered as Self Possible as Necessary
Exception].
Holy Prophet is the Last Of Prophets in Regard to Divine Act of Creativity.
So Not Creating a Naz:i:r is an Act of Deity and this act is a relative Attribute of Holy Prophet.
Note : Some Scholars of H:adi:th: have pointed out that Pen is the First Created Existent and Holy
Prophet is the Last Created Prophet.
In this case a similar problem occurs for the Naz:i:r of Pen.
So the answer to the problem is that Negation of a Self Possibility of Naz:ir is one thing and
Negation of Excercise of a Possibility is an other thing. In the second case 'Auval and 'A:khir
[Kha:tim] are the Non Ocuurances of Infinite Possible Acts, and not the Non Occurances of Self
Absurd Acts. in the present case under discussion.

THE CASES ARE THAT:=

1]A CREATED EXISTENT IS FIRST OF ALL CREATED EXISTENTS WHOSE PRIOR EXISTENT IS SELF POSSIBLE
YET NOT CREATED , WHOSE NEITHER POSTERIOR NOR PRIOR EXISTENT IS SELF POSSIBLE YET NOT
CREATED . AND WHOSE NAZ:I:R IS SELF POSSIBLE YET NOT CREATED.
2] A CREATED PROPHET IS LAST AND FINAL OF ALL CREATED PROPHETS WHOSE POSTERIOR PROPHET IS
SELF POSSIBLE YET NOT CREATED , WHOSE NEITHER POSTERIOR NOR PRIOR PROPHET IS SELF POSSIBLE
YET NOT CREATED . AND WHOSE NAZ:I:R IS SELF POSSIBLE YET NOT CREATED.
THE CASES NOT THAT:=
1]
A CREATED EXISTENT IS FIRST OF ALL CREATED EXISTENTS WHOSE PRIOR EXISTENT IS SELF ABSURD
HENCE NOT CREATED , WHOSE NEITHER POSTERIOR NOR PRIOR EXISTENT IS SELF ANSURD HENCE NOT
CREATED . AND WHOSE NAZ:I:R IS SELF ABSURD HENCE NOT CREATED.
2]
A CREATED PROPHET IS LAST AND FINAL OF ALL CREATED PROPHETS WHOSE POSTERIOR PROPHET IS
SELF PSELF ABSURD HENCE NOT CREATED , WHOSE NEITHER POSTERIOR NOR PRIOR PROPHET IS SELF
ABSURD HENCE NOT CREATED . AND WHOSE NAZ:I:R IS SELF ABSURD HENCE NOT CREATED.
HENCE THE FIRST ARGUMENT IS A FALLACY. BASED ON INCORRECT DEFINATIONS OF SELF POSSIBLE FIRST
AND LAST.
That is why scholars, logicians, philosophers, and dialectics all agree that Maulivi Fad:l Haqq
Khairabadi errerd in the concepts of Self Possible of first and last.

2] As for the second argument it is stated that Kidhb is Muh:a:l Bil Ghair therefore one may see a
number of thse discussions in this Scribd form. So it is not necessary to discuss it further.
REASON WHY THIS DEBATE CEASED TO BE EXCERCISED.
It is very evident that Khairaba:di: school realised that this debate is based just on the Verbal

Disputes and not upon real disputes and there is no need to discuss it since they agree with the
'Ahlussunnah on the Essence , Substance and Reality.
But 'Ah:mad Rad:a: of Bans Baraili continued this debate and did not consider it as a verbal
dispute.

More discussion may be added LATTER.


This is one of the several responses to there arguments.
1] TAH:QI:Q AL FATVA
[ALLEGELY WRITTEN BY FAD:L H:AQQ KHAIRABADI
2] IMTINA:" 'AN NAZ:I:R
[ALLEGELY WRITTEN BY FAD:L H:AQQ KHAIRABADI]
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