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Liam Straughan Even under a Trump Presidency, America will still be more free than China is right now.
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Jonas Anderson I am so confused as to why both of you are debating the nature of freedom in two foreign countries
instead of questioning our own skewed politics closer to home, but I'm going to add that I'm actually an American
citizen and the system there is fucked to a debatable degree. Yes, freedom of speech is assured by the Constitution;
but the black people being shot on the street by police officers might argue you on a right to fair trial. Yes, it's much
better to be a wealthy, educated, white hetero guy in America. It's not about three features, but there's a lot of proof
that being a Person Like Us helps a lot. We know this. There's a body of evidence proving it.
People are setting themselves on fire in China, but they're also chaining themselves to things and starving themselves
in America. China is trying to quell rebellion in the Xinjiang province, but America is perpetuating a process of
colonialism and use of its military and economic superpower status to direct global politics in numerous regions well
beyond its geographical borders.
China is using this to suggest to their own people how much better they are under communism, and it's a propaganda
move. It also has the convenient side-effect of embarrassing and angering the only other superpower in the world.
This was never about which system is legitimately more effective - it's just posturing.
Like Reply 2 March 17 at 2:14am Edited
Claire Okumura Kind of (?) following on from Jonas but only about the USA...
I'm not confident that with a Trump presidency, those rights Liam first mentioned will stay in place? The ways he's
inciting violence in his rallies seem to be a threat to the peoples' liberty and security of person, to start with. And take
the freedom of association for instance - will that really be kept in place for every single American citizen? Like, if you
wanted to change your religion will that be completely supported by the presidency? I'm not really sure.
And let's not forget America has in history failed to keep up fair trials like during the time of McCarthyism. Even if that
was in the 1950s, a similar kind of panic seems to be engulfing the USA that led to those show trials.
Like Reply 1 March 17 at 10:33am
Liam Straughan I reckon if Trump gets the Presidency, he'll be forced to tone it down, and back off. He's pulling out
all the stops as a candidate, but if he's in the top job, he won't have any choice but to act well... Presidential, or face
one term. John Kasich or Hillary Clinton are my own hopefuls to get it, though.
Like Reply 1 March 17 at 10:37am
Liam Bremner Chiming in on Jonas' comment about politics closer to home:
We *know* Australian politics are fucked, that's why we're not discussing the fact.
And on the topic of Trump inciting violence at his rallies:
*Any* politician who resorts to inciting violence amongst their own population has zero credibility. What a clown.
Just my $0.02.
Like Reply 3 March 17 at 12:32pm Edited