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Peteus
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Merged profiles and cab driver

Jun 23rd 2015

I have yet to find an answer to this. Cabdriver makes studio profiles feel more like and amp into a cab. Whilst merged have actual
amp sound and cab in a profile. If I leave cab driver on using a merged profile will it mess and still try and give me the cab driver
studio sound?

DonPetersen
[Super-Moderator]
Jun 23rd 2015

from the manual:

"Regular Studio Profiles are created using a guitar amp and a speaker cabinet, captured by a microphone (or several microphones).
The resulting Studio Profile is split into two portions: an Amplifier and a Cabinet Profile, with the sound of the microphone becoming
an integral part of the Cabinet Profile. Since the Studio Profile is taken in one go, it is complete and perfect as it is. While there is no
exact information about the separate sound of the amp or cabinet, the Profiler uses an intelligent algorithm to create the best
approximation of a separation line between the Amplifier and Cabinet Profiles. This algorithm is called CabDriver. CabDriver
makes it possible to separate the Amplifier and Cabinet Profiles of a Studio Profile, and combine them with those chosen from another
Rig or Preset. It also allows you to switch off the cabinet simulation (Monitor Cab Off) to drive a real physical guitar cabinet. The
typical interactions between the original tube power-amp and the cabinet, are captured within the Amplifier Profile.
The result is thus highly authentic, and ready to be amplified by a solid-state amp, or the optional, built-in class-D power-amp of
Profiler PowerHead and PowerRack.

Fully authentic results can be achieved by creating or using so-called Direct Amp Profiles. This is described further below."
you cannot switch CabDriver on or off.
It is the algorithm that creates a separation of the Amp and Cab portion of studio profiles.
In merged profiles no algorithm is needed, since both situations (studio and amp direct) were captured by the Profiler.
savvy?

Peteus
[Student]
Jun 23rd 2015

I knew all of that and have read it before. But, there is a switch called cabdriver I can switch on and off. So on a merged profile if I
switch keep it on does it try and treat the merged profile like a studio profile using the full profile of amp and cab the running

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Cabdriver algorithm.

DonPetersen
[Super-Moderator]
Jun 23rd 2015

do you mean "Merge Cabinet" when selecting a cabinet for a DI profile?

Peteus
[Student]
Jun 23rd 2015

So the button called "Monitor Cab Off" so when that is engaged it runs the cabdriver algorithm. So that option is still available in
merged profiles. So having it engaged using a merged cab does that still uses the cab and modify it or do I have to leave it on to
hear the actual amp sound?

DonPetersen
[Super-Moderator]
Jun 24th 2015

it's like I said:

the CabDriver is only activating for studio profiles, since there is no known point of separation.
when the Profiler has information available about the amp/cabinet separation (Merged Profile), it uses this of course
so activating "Monitor Cab Off" with a merged profile gives you the authentic Direct Amp sound on the monitor output.

lobster56
[Student]
Jun 24th 2015

DonPetersen wrote:
it's like I said:
the CabDriver is only activating for studio profiles, since there is no known point of separation.
when the Profiler has information available about the amp/cabinet separation (Merged Profile), it uses this of course
so activating "Monitor Cab Off" with a merged profile gives you the authentic Direct Amp sound on the monitor output.

Hi Don. One more question. For Merged profiles, I've found that the sound changes when I turn off Cabinet (soft button). If I want to
go monitor out, solid state, power amp and guitar speaker. Do I turn off Cabinet as well as the "Monitor cab off" If so is what happens
with the sound Main out to FOH?

Kempermaniac
[Professional]
Jun 24th 2015

Only "Monitor cab off". Leave the cab button on the front of the KPA on. This way the cab sim stays on for the Main Outs, but is off
for Monitor Out.

lobster56
[Student]
Jun 24th 2015

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Thanks Kempermaniac. Problem is that the sound changes and so does the respons when you hit the strings. More rapid and direkt
feeling when I turn Cabinet off, wonder why? Is there a way aound this? I will probably choose Cabinet off for now.

DonPetersen
[Super-Moderator]
Jun 24th 2015

lobster56 wrote:
Thanks Kempermaniac. Problem is that the sound changes and so does the respons when you hit the strings. More rapid
and direkt feeling when I turn Cabinet off, wonder why? Is there a way aound this? I will probably choose Cabinet off for
now.

thank you, I'll take a look.

ckemper
[Master]
Jun 30th 2015 [+1]

Peteus wrote:
So the button called "Monitor Cab Off" so when that is engaged it runs the cabdriver algorithm. So that option is still
available in merged profiles. So having it engaged using a merged cab does that still uses the cab and modify it or do I
have to leave it on to hear the actual amp sound?

Well, this is a precise question and here is the precise answer.

Switching off the cabinet is possible by "MonitorCabOff" exclusively for the monitor out and the optional power amp. By switching off
the cabinet on the front panel it is bypassed for all outputs.
In both cases, the CabDriver algorithm is automatically utilized, when you use studio profiles. However, when you change to a
merged profile, the CabDriver is not needed and thus not utilized. Instead, the pure sound of the amp portion - the direct amp profile
- is fed to the output.
The choice of CabDriver or direct amp profile is done automatically based on the type of the profile - studio or merged.
Please advice if the manual is not accurate at some point, in this regard.
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