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"Dahmer, lake and ng,
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"debardeleben, bardella, and others.
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"At the core of these
criminals is a need for control.
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"Killing was an act
that provided a release
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"so sexually satisfying
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"that they were compelled
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"with multiple victims again and again.
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"It is this continuum of
violence that we will explore
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<i>in deviance:</i>
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<i>the secret desires of
sadistic serial killers.</i>
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Signed copies of agent david rossi's
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10th anniversary
edition of his bestseller
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are on sale tonight.
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I find your career so fascinating.

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What's it like to
interview serial killers?
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Well, it's never boring.
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Is that what you enjoy
most about your work,
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looking evil right in the eye?
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No, it's putting killers in jail.
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You know what gets me are the
wives who swear they had no clue
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their husband was a serial killer.
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How can you be married
to one and not know?
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Theresa, would you mind
calling up my car service?
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Not at all.
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Uh, you'll excuse me?
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Sure.
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Agent rossi.
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Hi, uh...
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hi.
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Hi. I'm a big fan.
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There's not gonna be a
quiz. I saw you taking notes.
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Oh, no, it's just for
my own edification.
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Agent rossi, are you or
anyone in your department
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investigating the recent spike
in homicides in cleveland?
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Not that i'm aware of.
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There's been an uptick in homicides
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by 11% this quarter, the average
uptick hasn't surpassed 5%
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in the past 10 years in cleveland.
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I'm guessing you're
studying criminology.
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I am.
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Sir, i think there's

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Well, have the police issued a statement
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to corroborate that?
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I filed an inquiry downtown.
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Um, nobody's called me back.
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But, uh, i know that
the coroner's office
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hasn't been as busy since, like,
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the butcher of kingsbury
run in the 1930s.
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Well, what kind of homicides
are we talking about here?
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Ok, um...a man was shot in a park,
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a prostitute was found
with her throat slashed,
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a couple was found shot in their car,
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a woman was killed in a burglary.
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Do you know what 3 things profilers
look at to link serial crimes?
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Victimology, modus
operandi, and signature.
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Good. So were the victims similar?
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No.
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Was the m.o. Consistent?
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No.
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Was the signature consistent?
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Not that i know of.
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Then there's no obvious reason
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to suggest that the spike in
violence was due to a serial killer.
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I see your point, sir, but i really...
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you're bright. You obviously
have a passion for this,
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and the bureau is always
looking for good people.
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So if you get a reply from the police,
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or even for career advice,
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i'm available.
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Ok, thanks. It was an honor to meet you.
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Keep studying, and don't stop
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until you find all the
answers yore looking for.
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I won't.
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Excuse me.
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Get back!
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It's ok. Get back!
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Uh... oh, hey, it's ok. It's ok.
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Look, i'm not gonna hurt you, ok?
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I live in the neighborhood.
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What's your address?
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817 tivoli. It's right down that way.
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Look, if i was gonna hurt you,
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i wouldn't have said "excuse me." Ok?

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Are we cool?
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What the hell, man? You scared me.
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I'm... i'm sorry.
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What are you doing here?
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I was just walking home
from the liquor store
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and i saw you snooping around.
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What about you?
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So you heard what happened here?
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Yeah.
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Poor woman.
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All the neighbors are freaking out.
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I can't believe i didn't
even know her name.
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Kayla james.
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She was raped, too.
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Can't believe this

happened on my street.
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No, it's not just your street.
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There's been a lot of murders lately.
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Really?
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Yeah, it's uncharacteristically
high for our city.
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You with the police or something?
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I'm just investigating a few cases.
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Gosh, all of a sudden,
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all these random, violent murders.
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Something weird is going on here.
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What do you mean by weird?
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Agent rossi.
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Yes.
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I'll be right down.
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Agent rossi?

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I'm detective dan brady.
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We found your card on the victim.
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Any idea what happened here?
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"I never teach my pupils,
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"i only attempt to
provide the conditions
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in which they can learn."
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Albert einstein.
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She was found by a woman
walking her dog this morning.
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Dog wouldn't stop barking.
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I just talked to her last night.
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I never asked her name.
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Zoe hawkes.
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That's her car right there.
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These keys were still in her pocket.
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Car alarm was still activated.

There was no sign of a break-in.
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She had pepper spray but didn't use it?
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I don't know, maybe she
didn't get the chance.
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Nobody saw or heard anything?
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No. We went door to door.
There were no witnesses.
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There was blunt-force
trauma to her head,
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signs of strangulation.
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Murderer asphyxiated her
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with the scarf she was wearing.
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Do you have any idea what she was doing
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snooping around this case?
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You keep talking like i
know something. What case?
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The resident of this house, kayla james,
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was murdered and raped 3 days
ago in a burglary-homicide.

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I think there's a serial killer here.
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And don't stop until you find all
the answers you're looking for.
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I won't.
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This is henry wearing the
booties my mom knitted him.
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I can't get over his cuteness.
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Oh, and this is him wearing
the customized leather jacket
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auntie penelope got him.
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When he grows up, he's gonna be a rebel.
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Is this david rossi,
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the famous bestselling
author david rossi?
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What are you doing? You're
not supposed to be calling
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when you're on annual leave.
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I think my a.l. Just ended.
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What do you mean?

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Garcia, cleveland police
is sending you some files.
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Get jj to distribute them
to the team right away.
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Yeah. What are we looking at?
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I don't know yet. Just see if the team
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can find a connection with these crimes.
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I'll call you back in a few hours.
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Yes, sir.
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She had a notebook with her last night.
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I saw one in her car.
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Can i take a look?
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It may be evidence,
but i don't see why not.
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Have you been to her house yet?
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I'm headed there now.
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I have to notify the next of kin.

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Now, if you get a reply from the police,
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or even for career advice,
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i'm available.
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Thanks.
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It was an honor to meet you.
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Sheila hawkes?
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Yeah.
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Hi. I'm, uh,
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detective brady with the
cleveland police department.
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This is agent rossi with the fbi.
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May we come in?
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Why?
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It's about your daughter.
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That... that's... that's
one of her journals.
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Has something happened?

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Yes.
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She was murdered.
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I am so sorry.
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Mrs. Hawkes.
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Here, let me help you.
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Oh, no!
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No!
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Where did you find her?
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She was in a house in east cleveland.
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We think she may have been
visiting a crime scene.
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God...
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i told her to stop doing that.
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I tolder that was too dangerous.
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Where... where is she now?
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She's at the coroner's office,
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and i can take you to
see her when you're ready.
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Ok. Now.
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Right now. I have to go right now.
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Mrs. Hawkes, would you
mind if i stayed behind
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to look in her room?
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She was so excited to meet you.
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You're like a...
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a hero to her.
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Mrs. Hawkes.
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Let me take you downtown now.
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Come on.
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I'll, uh, i'll send a car for you.
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The crimes are within a 7-le radius.
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Well, that's something.

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Yeah, but the neighborhoods
are all completely different.
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They range from poor to rich,
industrial to residential.
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The physical locations are dissimil,
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but the operating zone's well-defined.
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Ok. I'm in.
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I see you.
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In your web browser for search history.
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Check out her home page.
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All right, so the
first thing she looks at
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when she opens her
computer is a crime column.
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Probably to stay current on her stues.
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Can you see what she worked on last?
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Voila.
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These are the most recently

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Looks like she was compiling
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empirical data about
homicide trends in cleveland.
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Do you think she knew the killer?
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I don't see any notes indicating suspes.
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Well, dave, she's a criminology student.
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She's been taught to analyze statistics
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and apply theory, not
investigate killers.
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Let's talk about what we know.
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All right. Victim one...
travis bartlett was last seen
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at a gay bar. He was
shot at night in a park.
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Victim 2, lily nicks, a
34-year-old prostitute,
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her throat was slashed.
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Victims 3 and 4,
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june appleby and troy wertsler
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were shot in their car at a parking lot
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outside of a movie theater.
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And victim 5 was a
28-year-old single woman,
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kayla james, killed in her home.
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She was bound, suffocated
with a bag over her head,
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evidence of rape.
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And then the sixth victim was zoe.
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Victimology, weapons used, and c.o.d.
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Are all different.
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It's hard to imagine
it's even the same unsub.
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It can't be a coincidence
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that zoe goes to kayla james'
house and gets murdered.
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All right, let's say
it is the same killer.

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Does anybody see a pattern
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well, maybe.
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Ok, the first crime,
he shoots the victim.
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The second crime, he rapes a
woman and slashes her throat.
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That's more personal.
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And the third crime, he escalates
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to killing two people,
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and the fourth, he escalates even more
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by raping a woman, binding
her, and suffocating her.
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00:13:17,922 --> 00:13:19,757
So if it is the same unsub,
264
00:13:19,758 --> 00:13:22,259
you could argue that there's a
progression of violence with every kill.
265
00:13:22,260 --> 00:13:24,461
It could be anger excitation offender
266
00:13:24,462 --> 00:13:26,463
getting more daring with each crime.
267
00:13:26,464 --> 00:13:28,265
I think i got something here.

268
00:13:28,266 --> 00:13:29,967
Look at this.
269
00:13:29,968 --> 00:13:32,886
The slashes in the
prostitute's throat...
270
00:13:32,887 --> 00:13:35,272
they're all shallow, unsure cuts.
271
00:13:35,273 --> 00:13:38,309
The kayla james crime scene...
272
00:13:38,310 --> 00:13:41,445
telephone cord, rope,
and duct tape were used.
273
00:13:41,446 --> 00:13:44,281
It's like he couldn't
decide how to bind her.
274
00:13:44,282 --> 00:13:45,783
So without a gun,
275
00:13:45,784 --> 00:13:47,785
he's sloppy, inexperienced.
276
00:13:47,786 --> 00:13:50,204
The young couple shot in the car...
277
00:13:50,205 --> 00:13:52,990
that crime scene remind you of anything?
278
00:13:52,991 --> 00:13:55,542
Yeah, they were shot with a .44 bulldog,
279
00:13:55,543 --> 00:13:56,960
just like the son of
sam used on his victims,
280
00:13:56,961 --> 00:14:01,298
which were also young
couples in parked cars.
281
00:14:01,299 --> 00:14:03,667
It might be nothing, but you're

right, there is a parallel there.

282
00:14:03,668 --> 00:14:06,804
With the second victim, it's hard
not to think of jack the ripper.
283
00:14:06,805 --> 00:14:10,724
The obvious similarity being it's a
prostitute whose throat was slashed.
284
00:14:10,725 --> 00:14:14,728
Kayla james was bound, tortured, raped,
285
00:14:14,729 --> 00:14:17,231
with a plastic bag
over her head like btk.
286
00:14:21,152 --> 00:14:22,653
What about victim number one?
287
00:14:22,654 --> 00:14:24,988
Garcia, what neighborhood
was he found in?
288
00:14:24,989 --> 00:14:28,025
At a park in the kingsbury run area.
289
00:14:28,026 --> 00:14:29,660
Zoe reminded me last night
290
00:14:29,661 --> 00:14:32,663
that cleveland's most
famous serial killer
291
00:14:32,664 --> 00:14:34,748
was the butcher of kingsbury run.
292
00:14:34,749 --> 00:14:38,035
He found his victims
in gay bars, shot them,
293
00:14:38,036 --> 00:14:40,354
and dumped their body there.
294
00:14:40,355 --> 00:14:43,924
Travis bartlett was
last seen at a gay bar,

295
00:14:43,925 --> 00:14:46,794
and his body was found
in kingsbury park.
296
00:14:48,596 --> 00:14:52,182
So these are copycats
of famous serial killers?
297
00:14:52,183 --> 00:14:55,936
He's a serial killer
studying serial killers.
298
00:14:59,391 --> 00:15:01,442
See you in cleveland, dave.
299
00:15:43,063 --> 00:15:44,680
Hey, dave. Guys.
300
00:15:44,681 --> 00:15:46,915
We're in that room. Coffee's brewing.
301
00:15:46,916 --> 00:15:48,517
We'll get started on
the evidence boards.
302
00:15:48,518 --> 00:15:50,302
Detective brady's our point.
303
00:15:50,303 --> 00:15:52,988
I'll let you all introduce yourselves.
304
00:15:52,989 --> 00:15:54,823
Jj.
305
00:15:54,824 --> 00:15:56,358
Can you help me out with something?
306
00:15:56,359 --> 00:15:57,860
Sure.
307
00:16:00,030 --> 00:16:01,997
This has to be confidential.
308
00:16:03,833 --> 00:16:05,451
I know it may seem farfetched,

309
00:16:05,452 --> 00:16:07,536
but copycat killers are
not entirely uncommon.
310
00:16:07,537 --> 00:16:09,755
This one happens to be copying
several different killers.
311
00:16:09,756 --> 00:16:11,423
But if he's trying to be
the butcher of kingsbury run,
312
00:16:11,424 --> 00:16:12,925
why didn't he cut up
and mutilate the victims
313
00:16:12,926 --> 00:16:14,009
like the real guy?
314
00:16:14,010 --> 00:16:15,127
That was 7 weeks ago.
315
00:16:15,128 --> 00:16:16,512
He was just getting started.
316
00:16:16,513 --> 00:16:19,381
Beginning killers are often
frightened of the crime itself.
317
00:16:19,382 --> 00:16:22,051
They're more interested in getting
it over with as quickly as possible
318
00:16:22,052 --> 00:16:23,385
and fleeing the scene.
319
00:16:23,386 --> 00:16:24,887
He was just using the butcher's ruse
320
00:16:24,888 --> 00:16:26,855
as a way to lure the
victim to be alone with her.
321
00:16:26,856 --> 00:16:29,224
And by the time he killed
kayla james 3 days ago,

322
00:16:29,225 --> 00:16:30,392
he'd progressed. He came very close
323
00:16:30,393 --> 00:16:32,528
to copying all of the btk's m.o.
324
00:16:32,529 --> 00:16:34,530
He's reading, learning,
borrowing from others
325
00:16:34,531 --> 00:16:36,865
because he doesn't know who he is yet.
326
00:16:36,866 --> 00:16:38,567
And because of this, we think
he's young and impressionable,
327
00:16:38,568 --> 00:16:39,785
maybe even a student.
328
00:16:39,786 --> 00:16:41,904
Someone probably enrolled
in criminology classes.
329
00:16:41,905 --> 00:16:43,872
Our technical analyst
is going through names
330
00:16:43,873 --> 00:16:45,374
of local students right now.
331
00:16:45,375 --> 00:16:47,076
Up to this point, changing his m.o.
332
00:16:47,077 --> 00:16:49,244
Has prevented investigators
from linking the crimes.
333
00:16:49,245 --> 00:16:50,579
That's why we need to work quickly.
334
00:16:50,580 --> 00:16:51,914
You're sure about this?
335
00:16:51,915 --> 00:16:53,582

It's not a coincidence that all of these

336
00:16:53,583 --> 00:16:55,918
random, violent murders
in a localized area
337
00:16:55,919 --> 00:16:57,836
are copycats of serial killers.
338
00:16:57,837 --> 00:16:59,421
It's as if all the worst serial killers
339
00:16:59,422 --> 00:17:02,091
have converged on cleveland.
Every time he plans to kill,
340
00:17:02,092 --> 00:17:05,844
the murder weapon, the m.o., and
the victimology will all change.
341
00:17:34,124 --> 00:17:35,958
Detective, will you let your team know
342
00:17:35,959 --> 00:17:37,843
we're ready to give
a preliminary profile.
343
00:17:37,844 --> 00:17:39,762
Sure. I gotta go.
344
00:17:39,763 --> 00:17:42,097
Hotch. I'm gonna step out for this one,
345
00:17:42,098 --> 00:17:43,265
clear my head.
346
00:17:43,266 --> 00:17:45,050
Ok.
347
00:17:45,969 --> 00:17:47,936
Garcia found 3 male students
348
00:17:47,937 --> 00:17:49,972
enrolled in criminology
classes with felony records.
349

00:17:49,973 --> 00:17:51,356

Good. We'll interview them.
350
00:17:51,357 --> 00:17:52,641
I don't think we need to.
351
00:17:52,642 --> 00:17:53,976
One of them is studying abroad,
352
00:17:53,977 --> 00:17:55,978
the other 2 are back in
jail on other charges.
353
00:17:55,979 --> 00:17:57,980
Tell garcia to check enrollment
354
00:17:57,981 --> 00:17:59,648
in online and correspondence courses,
355
00:17:59,649 --> 00:18:02,701
see if we have any luck
with tse parameters.
356
00:18:06,489 --> 00:18:09,491
You guys handle the profile?
357
00:18:09,492 --> 00:18:10,959
Yeah. Everything ok?
358
00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:12,828
Everything's fine.
359
00:18:12,829 --> 00:18:16,165
We have 6 homicides in a
7-mile radius in east cleveland.
360
00:18:16,166 --> 00:18:17,666
Now, this small zone indicates
361
00:18:17,667 --> 00:18:19,668
that's he's a geographically
stable offender.
362
00:18:19,669 --> 00:18:22,554
This type of offender is
characterized as young,

363
00:18:22,555 --> 00:18:24,673
socially immature, of
average intelligence,
364
00:18:24,674 --> 00:18:26,842
with psychopathic personality traits.
365
00:18:26,843 --> 00:18:29,394
They also usually live alone
and have an antisocial nature.
366
00:18:29,395 --> 00:18:32,981
A serial killer's first
murder is very telling.
367
00:18:32,982 --> 00:18:34,650
This unsub's first
murder, he chose the m.o.
368
00:18:34,651 --> 00:18:36,985
Of cleveland's own
butcher of kingsbury run.
369
00:18:36,986 --> 00:18:38,487
The butcher isn't as well known
370
00:18:38,488 --> 00:18:40,189
as other famous serial killers,
371
00:18:40,190 --> 00:18:41,657
but he is a local legend.
372
00:18:41,658 --> 00:18:43,525
And because he picked
the butcher to be first,
373
00:18:43,526 --> 00:18:45,277
we believe he's a native of cleveland
374
00:18:45,278 --> 00:18:47,362
and probably grew up hearing
stories of the butcher.
375
00:18:47,363 --> 00:18:50,282
This is someone who is
obsessed with serial killers.

376
00:18:50,283 --> 00:18:52,167
His computer will be filled
with research on them.
377
00:18:52,168 --> 00:18:54,286
He'll have abundant images
of murderers on his computer
378
00:18:54,287 --> 00:18:56,038
and possibly even snuff films.
379
00:18:56,039 --> 00:18:58,173
He uses these like pornography.
380
00:18:58,174 --> 00:19:02,010
The provide some sort of sexual release.
381
00:19:16,726 --> 00:19:20,195
I think he went back
to relive his crime.
382
00:19:20,196 --> 00:19:23,031
When zoe showed up, she
became a victim of opportunity.
383
00:19:23,032 --> 00:19:25,901
It's the same theory we
arrived at on the plane.
384
00:19:25,902 --> 00:19:27,536
He strangled her with her own scarf.
385
00:19:27,537 --> 00:19:31,073
He didn't plan it. I
think she surprised him.
386
00:19:31,074 --> 00:19:34,376
I told her not to stop
until she found the answers
387
00:19:34,377 --> 00:19:36,995
she was looking for.
388
00:19:36,996 --> 00:19:39,581
I didn't think she would
go to a crime scene.

389
00:19:39,582 --> 00:19:41,717
Her mom said it's something
that she does all the time.
390
00:19:41,718 --> 00:19:43,218
She probably would have gone anyway.
391
00:19:43,219 --> 00:19:45,003
But it's because of what i said
392
00:19:45,004 --> 00:19:47,422
that she was encouraged
to go there last night.
393
00:19:47,423 --> 00:19:48,924
Dave, what are you doing?
394
00:19:48,925 --> 00:19:51,426
She came to me and i dismissed her.
395
00:19:51,427 --> 00:19:53,929
Try not to personalize it.
396
00:19:53,930 --> 00:19:56,515
I was the last one she talked to
397
00:19:56,516 --> 00:19:58,734
before she was murdered.
398
00:19:58,735 --> 00:20:01,603
How is this not personal, aaron?
399
00:20:02,572 --> 00:20:04,273
Ok.
400
00:20:04,274 --> 00:20:05,774
It's personal.
401
00:20:05,775 --> 00:20:09,611
That doesn't change how we
go about finding her killer.
402
00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:12,614
We know that violent criminals
403

00:20:12,615 --> 00:20:15,901

develop a siature over
a series of crimes.
404
00:20:15,902 --> 00:20:20,505
If he's young, he probably hasn't
even figured out what his is yet.
405
00:20:20,506 --> 00:20:23,091
Find the signature,
we can link the crimes.
406
00:20:23,092 --> 00:20:26,712
He probably monitoring the news, seeing
if the police have connected them yet.
407
00:20:26,713 --> 00:20:29,298
We can use that. We
can utilize the media.
408
00:20:29,299 --> 00:20:31,733
And i think i know o we can talk to.
409
00:20:42,729 --> 00:20:44,112
I knew homicides were up,
410
00:20:44,113 --> 00:20:46,865
but nobody said anhing
about a serial killer.
411
00:20:46,866 --> 00:20:50,986
Why do i get a visit from the b.a.u.?
412
00:20:50,987 --> 00:20:52,321
you're paula mcconnell,
413
00:20:52,322 --> 00:20:54,156
cleveland's number one
source in crime news.
414
00:20:54,157 --> 00:20:55,824
You're detailed, you have a following.
415
00:20:55,825 --> 00:20:57,292
He's reading you.
416
00:20:57,293 --> 00:20:58,210

We need you to write

417
00:20:58,211 --> 00:21:00,462
that the police have
found his signature.
418
00:21:00,463 --> 00:21:01,713
You can help us by explaining
419
00:21:01,714 --> 00:21:03,298
what his signature is in your article.
420
00:21:03,299 --> 00:21:04,666
It's a killer's personal stamp,
421
00:21:04,667 --> 00:21:06,168
his distinctive touch that he leaves
422
00:21:06,169 --> 00:21:07,803
at the scene of every crime.
423
00:21:07,804 --> 00:21:09,888
Well, i've been doing this for 18 years.
424
00:21:09,889 --> 00:21:11,723
And i know what a signature is, honey.
425
00:21:12,892 --> 00:21:15,510
We just really need you
to be detailed about this.
426
00:21:15,511 --> 00:21:17,646
We're speaking directly to him.
427
00:21:17,647 --> 00:21:20,482
Through my column.
428
00:21:20,483 --> 00:21:21,733
He's doing something,
429
00:21:21,734 --> 00:21:24,486
a behavioral impulse he
feels compelled to do.
430
00:21:24,487 --> 00:21:27,990
But a need-driven act

to get a sexual release

431
00:21:27,991 --> 00:21:29,858
that's specific to his psyche.
432
00:21:29,859 --> 00:21:33,195
This repetitive behavior at each
crime scene will lead us to him.
433
00:21:33,196 --> 00:21:36,031
Let me take a stab at it.
434
00:21:36,032 --> 00:21:38,200
Yeah, reid.
435
00:21:38,201 --> 00:21:40,752
Uh, they just found another body.
436
00:21:46,926 --> 00:21:49,261
They're bringing him up right now.
437
00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:53,632
Teenagers found him a
little over an hour ago.
438
00:21:54,550 --> 00:21:58,437
It's petechiae in the whites of h eyes.
439
00:21:58,438 --> 00:22:02,024
Judging from the bruising, he was
probably strangled with a wire.
440
00:22:02,025 --> 00:22:03,108
Is this r guy?
441
00:22:03,109 --> 00:22:04,226
It's gotta be.
442
00:22:04,227 --> 00:22:06,111
A jogger doesn't get garroted every day.
443
00:22:06,112 --> 00:22:08,981
Whatever signature he left was
probably washed away in the water.
444
00:22:08,982 --> 00:22:10,565

Well, who's he mimicking now?

445
00:22:10,566 --> 00:22:13,735
Bike path rapist altemio
sanchez comes to mind.
446
00:22:13,736 --> 00:22:16,538
He trolled bike paths near
buffalo garroting his victims.
447
00:22:16,539 --> 00:22:18,573
It looks like he copied
everything except for the rape.
448
00:22:18,574 --> 00:22:20,075
Strangulation's a repetition
449
00:22:20,076 --> 00:22:22,577
of his last murder of zoe.
450
00:22:22,578 --> 00:22:24,079
First time he's repeated himself.
451
00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:25,580
Zoe's murder was spontaneous, though.
452
00:22:25,581 --> 00:22:27,082
He didn't plan it. He acted on instinct
453
00:22:27,083 --> 00:22:28,583
and did what came naturally to him.
454
00:22:28,584 --> 00:22:30,085
Maybe what came
naturally felt good to him
455
00:22:30,086 --> 00:22:31,553
and he wanted to feel it again.
456
00:22:31,554 --> 00:22:33,088
If he's starting to repeat a pattern,
457
00:22:33,089 --> 00:22:36,174
he may have found himself.
458
00:23:01,454 --> 00:23:03,705

Zoe hawkes.
459
00:23:03,706 --> 00:23:06,375
H-a-w-k-e-s.
460
00:23:06,376 --> 00:23:08,260
Very good.
461
00:23:09,629 --> 00:23:11,296
I'm danny.
462
00:23:11,297 --> 00:23:13,265
I want you to call us
463
00:23:13,266 --> 00:23:15,017
if you have any questions at all.
464
00:23:15,018 --> 00:23:18,020
We're gonna take great care of her.
465
00:23:18,021 --> 00:23:19,471
Ok?
466
00:23:19,472 --> 00:23:21,056
You're all set.
467
00:23:21,057 --> 00:23:23,608
Um, do i pay the bill here?
468
00:23:23,609 --> 00:23:27,562
No, ma'am. The bill's been taken
care of by an anonymous donor.
469
00:23:32,285 --> 00:23:34,319
See anything else in there?
470
00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:37,372
Just the notations of
an observant student.
471
00:23:37,373 --> 00:23:38,824
I've been thinking, though.
472
00:23:38,825 --> 00:23:41,410
Zoe got all of her
information from the newspapers

473
00:23:41,411 --> 00:23:43,412
and from paula mcconnell's column.
474
00:23:43,413 --> 00:23:44,880
There's no way she could have known
475
00:23:44,881 --> 00:23:46,081
about every homicide in the city.
476
00:23:46,082 --> 00:23:48,633
Well, not every homicide's
reported in the papers.
477
00:23:48,634 --> 00:23:50,385
So how do we know the unsub
didn't commit more murders
478
00:23:50,386 --> 00:23:51,887
than the ones noted in her journals?
479
00:23:51,888 --> 00:23:52,921
We don't.
480
00:23:52,922 --> 00:23:55,340
We can check missing
persons and see if anyone
481
00:23:55,341 --> 00:23:57,843
was last seen in the
unsub's operating zone.
482
00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:01,813
What?
483
00:24:01,814 --> 00:24:04,099
Well, a young person's
mind is so active...
484
00:24:04,100 --> 00:24:07,502
yours, zoe's, and i
imagine this unsub's, too.
485
00:24:07,503 --> 00:24:09,571
I think when he get
him, he'll be curious.

486
00:24:09,572 --> 00:24:10,989
He'll ask questions.
487
00:24:10,990 --> 00:24:13,492
Rossi, heads up. She knows.
488
00:24:15,078 --> 00:24:16,778
Did you do this?
489
00:24:17,780 --> 00:24:22,367
I don't need or want your money.
490
00:24:22,368 --> 00:24:25,620
I have taken care of my
daughter for 22 years,
491
00:24:25,621 --> 00:24:27,789
and she is still my responsibility.
492
00:24:27,790 --> 00:24:30,926
I don't need any help from you.
493
00:24:32,929 --> 00:24:35,013
You didn't even know her.
494
00:24:35,014 --> 00:24:37,833
I'm sorry if i've offended you.
495
00:24:39,268 --> 00:24:42,771
Just leave us alone.
496
00:24:49,395 --> 00:24:50,645
All right.
497
00:24:50,646 --> 00:24:52,197
We found another body.
498
00:24:52,198 --> 00:24:53,482
East cleveland.
499
00:24:53,483 --> 00:24:55,951
Strangulation marks.
500
00:24:56,986 --> 00:24:58,453
This was recent.

501
00:24:58,454 --> 00:25:00,789
The bruises on her
neck are still reddish.
502
00:25:00,790 --> 00:25:03,291
No other obvious signs of trauma.
503
00:25:03,292 --> 00:25:05,994
Well, this isn't a bike
path like the last one.
504
00:25:05,995 --> 00:25:07,729
Which serial killer is he mimicking now?
505
00:25:07,730 --> 00:25:09,714
I don't think he is mimicking anymore.
506
00:25:09,715 --> 00:25:11,500
He's starting to show consistency.
507
00:25:11,501 --> 00:25:13,635
I think he's developing his own style.
508
00:25:13,636 --> 00:25:15,253
Has anybody touched her?
509
00:25:15,254 --> 00:25:16,805
No. They have instructions
to wait for us and the m.e.
510
00:25:16,806 --> 00:25:18,423
Where's he?
511
00:25:18,424 --> 00:25:20,258
Dr. Edwas!
512
00:25:21,644 --> 00:25:22,978
Here he comes.
513
00:25:24,597 --> 00:25:25,730
Hi. Agent hotchner.
514
00:25:25,731 --> 00:25:26,982
Um, could you take a look

515
00:25:26,983 --> 00:25:29,601
at this spot on her forehead?
516
00:25:29,602 --> 00:25:32,404
Hmm. That's strange.
517
00:25:32,405 --> 00:25:34,022
Let me swab it and
get it back to the lab.
518
00:25:34,023 --> 00:25:35,607
Thanks.
519
00:25:37,326 --> 00:25:39,528
3 murders in the last 3 days.
520
00:25:39,529 --> 00:25:41,246
Something's causing his frenzy.
521
00:25:41,247 --> 00:25:43,698
Could be a drastic change in his life.
522
00:25:43,699 --> 00:25:45,367
Something he lost control of.
523
00:25:45,368 --> 00:25:48,703
Or it could be something
he gained control of.
524
00:25:48,704 --> 00:25:50,539
Like himself.
525
00:25:50,540 --> 00:25:54,209
If he's finally defined
himself as a strangler,
526
00:25:54,210 --> 00:25:57,345
he may just be practicing,
perfecting his style.
527
00:25:57,346 --> 00:25:58,547
He may have awakened.
528
00:25:58,548 --> 00:26:00,549
The coroner just called.

529
00:26:00,550 --> 00:26:02,434
Preliminary tests confirm acetyl alcohol
530
00:26:02,435 --> 00:26:04,136
on the homeless woman's forehead.
531
00:26:04,137 --> 00:26:05,720
He sterilized it?
532
00:26:05,721 --> 00:26:07,439
Why would he do that?
533
00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:09,274
Maybe he did something to her forehead,
534
00:26:09,275 --> 00:26:11,993
used an alcohol wipe to remove evidence.
535
00:26:11,994 --> 00:26:14,563
Well, if that's the se, it certainly
wasn't necessary to the crime.
536
00:26:14,564 --> 00:26:16,198
This could be part of his signature.
537
00:26:16,199 --> 00:26:18,116
We should look at other victims
538
00:26:18,117 --> 00:26:19,618
to see if he did something similar.
539
00:26:19,619 --> 00:26:20,902
Y evidence on the last victim
540
00:26:20,903 --> 00:26:22,571
was washed away in the water.
541
00:26:22,572 --> 00:26:24,873
And all the other bodies were
either buried or cremated.
542
00:26:24,874 --> 00:26:27,959
Except for one.
543
00:26:36,252 --> 00:26:39,754

I know you don't want to see

me, but please hear me out.
544
00:26:39,755 --> 00:26:43,425
We need zoe's body to go
back to the coroner's office.
545
00:26:43,426 --> 00:26:46,561
Zoe's murderer left a clue on her body.
546
00:26:46,562 --> 00:26:49,431
There's a chance we can
find him from this clue,
547
00:26:49,432 --> 00:26:51,233
but we have to examine her again.
548
00:26:51,234 --> 00:26:55,103
All i want to do is put her to rest.
549
00:26:55,104 --> 00:26:57,272
Zoe chose to study criminology
550
00:26:57,273 --> 00:27:01,076
because she believed in
bringing criminals to justice.
551
00:27:05,281 --> 00:27:09,117
Can't guarantee the evidence
hasn't been compromised.
552
00:27:09,118 --> 00:27:11,369
The mortician hadn't touched her yet.
553
00:27:11,370 --> 00:27:15,040
Even so, she's been transported
more times than i'd like.
554
00:27:15,041 --> 00:27:16,625
Don't want anyone to get their hopes up.
555
00:27:16,626 --> 00:27:20,378
Just make sure the evidence
gets to quantico quickly.
556
00:27:20,379 --> 00:27:23,381
East cleveland homicides,

first quarter to date...

557
00:27:23,382 --> 00:27:24,716
5 out of 9 unsolved.
558
00:27:24,717 --> 00:27:28,637
January 22... prostitute
murder, downtown at 5th and main.
559
00:27:28,638 --> 00:27:31,640
January 9... man shot at kingsbury park.
560
00:27:31,641 --> 00:27:34,976
February 15... kayla james. Lived alone.
561
00:27:34,977 --> 00:27:36,945
First home invasion...
562
00:27:36,946 --> 00:27:37,979
february 8... murder...
563
00:27:37,980 --> 00:27:39,481
young couple shot in park.
564
00:27:39,482 --> 00:27:40,482
No apparent motive.
565
00:27:40,483 --> 00:27:41,483
Investigate.
566
00:27:41,484 --> 00:27:42,867
Why are locations different?
567
00:27:42,868 --> 00:27:45,987
Page 47, rossi's book:
there are no coincidences.
568
00:27:50,243 --> 00:27:52,210
Garcia, you got something?
569
00:27:52,211 --> 00:27:55,380
Yeah, the boys in the lab found trace
amounts of saliva on zoe's forehead,
570
00:27:55,381 --> 00:27:56,881
enough for a dna sample.

571
00:27:56,882 --> 00:27:59,334
So we got a codis match
on eric ryan olson,
572
00:27:59,335 --> 00:28:00,769
23, cleveland nave,
573
00:28:00,770 --> 00:28:03,054
did 2 1/2 years for
attempted sexual assault
574
00:28:03,055 --> 00:28:04,422
and was paroled 6 months ago.
575
00:28:04,423 --> 00:28:06,725
We thought for sure he'd be a student.
576
00:28:06,726 --> 00:28:09,144
Uh, that's 'cause he was.
While he was in the slammer,
577
00:28:09,145 --> 00:28:11,730
he took independent
correspondence classes
578
00:28:11,731 --> 00:28:14,599
in forensic science and criminology
from an out-of-state school.
579
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:16,518
Call the team. Let's
get a search warrant.
580
00:28:16,519 --> 00:28:18,320
Yeah.
581
00:28:23,626 --> 00:28:24,626
Clear!
582
00:28:24,627 --> 00:28:26,077
Clear!
583
00:28:26,078 --> 00:28:27,629
Reid, check the computer.
584

00:28:27,630 --> 00:28:30,048

Detective, we should talk to the
neighbors, find out where he goes,
585
00:28:30,049 --> 00:28:31,549
where he might be on a week night.
586
00:28:31,550 --> 00:28:32,550
Aaron.
587
00:28:32,551 --> 00:28:34,803
He's reading my books.
588
00:28:49,669 --> 00:28:51,853
Reid, anything?
589
00:28:56,025 --> 00:28:58,910
Al's alehouse. That's like 5 miles away.
590
00:28:58,911 --> 00:29:00,412
It's on the schedule for tonight.
591
00:29:03,165 --> 00:29:04,366
Have a good night.
592
00:29:04,367 --> 00:29:05,667
See you tomorrow.
593
00:29:28,307 --> 00:29:29,724
He was alone at the bar.
594
00:29:29,725 --> 00:29:30,909
When did he leave?
595
00:29:30,910 --> 00:29:32,360
Like 10 minutes ago.
596
00:29:32,361 --> 00:29:33,561
Did he talk to anyone?
597
00:29:33,562 --> 00:29:34,696
Linda.
598
00:29:35,865 --> 00:29:38,066
He left right after she did.

599
00:29:38,067 --> 00:29:39,234
Thanks.
600
00:29:54,083 --> 00:29:56,468
Got it, hotch. Manager says
601
00:29:56,469 --> 00:29:58,720
he may have followed one of
the waitresses out of the bar.
602
00:29:58,721 --> 00:29:59,921
She walks home through cedar park.
603
00:29:59,922 --> 00:30:02,424
We just passed cedar park.
604
00:30:16,906 --> 00:30:19,524
Fbi! Get off the girl! Get off the girl!
605
00:30:19,525 --> 00:30:21,443
Ok, it's ok. Stay down! Stay down!
606
00:30:21,444 --> 00:30:22,827
Get off me.
607
00:30:22,828 --> 00:30:24,329
It's all right. Wait, wait, wait.
608
00:30:24,330 --> 00:30:25,447
Hold on. Get off me!
609
00:30:25,448 --> 00:30:27,532
Stop! We're trying to help you.
610
00:30:27,533 --> 00:30:29,167
He's my boyfriend!
611
00:30:37,352 --> 00:30:38,970
Didn't see that coming.
612
00:30:38,971 --> 00:30:40,905
How could she not know?
613
00:30:40,906 --> 00:30:42,440
Kenneth bianchi's girlfriend had no idea

614
00:30:42,441 --> 00:30:44,258
he was one of the hillside stranglers.
615
00:30:44,259 --> 00:30:46,894
Just like btk's wife.
616
00:30:46,895 --> 00:30:48,362
What do we know about her?
617
00:30:48,363 --> 00:30:50,197
Her name's linda jones.
618
00:30:50,198 --> 00:30:52,700
No criminal record. They
met online 6 weeks ago.
619
00:30:54,453 --> 00:30:56,821
No, he can't be this guy.
620
00:30:56,822 --> 00:30:59,123
We found his dna on a murder victim.
621
00:30:59,124 --> 00:31:00,658
What?
622
00:31:00,659 --> 00:31:02,460
We also think he's
responsible for the murder
623
00:31:02,461 --> 00:31:05,262
of 7 other people over the last 7 weeks.
624
00:31:05,263 --> 00:31:07,798
Two of his victims were raped.
625
00:31:10,635 --> 00:31:13,587
I think i'm gonna be sick.
626
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:17,892
Ok, ok.
627
00:31:20,312 --> 00:31:22,146
Against my counsel,
628

00:31:22,147 --> 00:31:24,815

my client would like
to talk to agent rossi.
629
00:31:27,269 --> 00:31:29,353
We talked about him being
curious, asking questions.
630
00:31:29,354 --> 00:31:31,789
If he thinks he knows
you, he might open up.
631
00:31:31,790 --> 00:31:33,457
I'll keep him talking.
632
00:31:33,458 --> 00:31:34,859
Good.
633
00:31:39,448 --> 00:31:42,366
Agent rossi.
634
00:31:42,367 --> 00:31:44,702
Big fan.
635
00:31:45,954 --> 00:31:47,621
We have some information
636
00:31:47,622 --> 00:31:49,040
that would be of great interest to you.
637
00:31:49,041 --> 00:31:53,044
My ears are burning.
638
00:31:53,045 --> 00:31:56,347
My lawyer here explains that
i'm being charged with 8 murders
639
00:31:56,348 --> 00:31:58,649
and that i'm probably
looking at the death penalty.
640
00:31:58,650 --> 00:32:01,135
I have one very important
question for you.
641
00:32:01,136 --> 00:32:05,239
Are you sure it's just 8?

642
00:32:07,109 --> 00:32:08,476
What?
643
00:32:08,477 --> 00:32:10,194
We checked missing persons.
644
00:32:10,195 --> 00:32:11,395
Since he started killing,
645
00:32:11,396 --> 00:32:12,813
4 people have been reported missing
646
00:32:12,814 --> 00:32:13,998
in east cleveland neighborhoods.
647
00:32:13,999 --> 00:32:16,033
We can't rule out any of
them as his possible victims.
648
00:32:16,034 --> 00:32:18,285
He marked pages on
several serial killers.
649
00:32:18,286 --> 00:32:20,204
We don't know which
ones he tried to copycat.
650
00:32:20,205 --> 00:32:21,322
We're screwed, then.
651
00:32:21,323 --> 00:32:23,040
The d.a. Is gonna have
to offer him a deal.
652
00:32:23,041 --> 00:32:24,992
The d.a. Doesn't have
to give him the option.
653
00:32:24,993 --> 00:32:26,494
That's easy for you to say.
654
00:32:26,495 --> 00:32:28,045
You get to go home tomorrow.
655
00:32:28,046 --> 00:32:29,964

What do i tell the

families of the missing?
656
00:32:29,965 --> 00:32:30,998
Sorry, no idea?
657
00:32:30,999 --> 00:32:32,967
Detective, we're not gonna leave
658
00:32:32,968 --> 00:32:35,469
until we can give you and
the families some closure.
659
00:32:35,470 --> 00:32:36,887
And how are you gonna do that?
660
00:32:38,173 --> 00:32:39,473
Hotch. Reid.
661
00:32:39,474 --> 00:32:41,475
I need something,
anything that might show
662
00:32:41,476 --> 00:32:43,727
where he was trolling for more victims.
663
00:32:43,728 --> 00:32:44,979
Once the d.a. Gets here,
664
00:32:44,980 --> 00:32:46,847
we have a lot to talk about.
665
00:32:46,848 --> 00:32:48,616
What do you think you're
gonna get out of this?
666
00:32:48,617 --> 00:32:50,985
I don't know.
667
00:32:50,986 --> 00:32:52,019
We'll see.
668
00:32:52,020 --> 00:32:53,671
You don't have to say
anything else, eric.
669

00:32:53,672 --> 00:32:55,723

You got to speak to him.
670
00:32:55,724 --> 00:32:57,975
Now let's just wait for the d.a.
671
00:32:57,976 --> 00:32:59,827
I don't know how to
break it to you, kid,
672
00:32:59,828 --> 00:33:02,029
but you don't have a card to play here.
673
00:33:02,030 --> 00:33:04,031
We're 3 steps ahead of you.
674
00:33:04,032 --> 00:33:06,033
Oh.
675
00:33:06,034 --> 00:33:07,368
Really.
676
00:33:07,369 --> 00:33:09,870
We've already considered the possibility
677
00:33:09,871 --> 00:33:11,872
that you killed other people.
678
00:33:11,873 --> 00:33:14,708
We knew you were young,
wanted to experiment.
679
00:33:14,709 --> 00:33:16,427
It was likely you would copycat
680
00:33:16,428 --> 00:33:18,546
as many serial killers as possible
681
00:33:18,547 --> 00:33:20,548
to figure out who you are
682
00:33:20,549 --> 00:33:23,384
and what you liked.
683
00:33:23,385 --> 00:33:26,687
So let me ask you a question.

684
00:33:26,688 --> 00:33:28,139
How do you know
685
00:33:28,140 --> 00:33:30,224
you haven't told me already
686
00:33:30,225 --> 00:33:32,977
where the other bodies are buried?
687
00:33:39,067 --> 00:33:40,618
We've been through everything.
688
00:33:40,619 --> 00:33:42,620
He marked up rossi's
books. Check the bookcase.
689
00:33:42,621 --> 00:33:45,156
Maybe he was scouting for
locations to commit more murders.
690
00:33:47,742 --> 00:33:49,043
Pictures.
691
00:33:49,044 --> 00:33:50,127
What?
692
00:33:50,128 --> 00:33:52,630
Framed photographs in his hallway.
693
00:33:52,631 --> 00:33:54,298
Nothing else... nothing else is framed.
694
00:33:54,299 --> 00:33:56,183
They look like originals. Let
me call you right back, hotch.
695
00:33:56,184 --> 00:33:57,968
Ok.
696
00:34:01,973 --> 00:34:05,342
I need to ask you about your sex life.
697
00:34:05,343 --> 00:34:08,162
That's personal.

698
00:34:08,163 --> 00:34:09,930
Your boyfriend's a serial killer.
699
00:34:09,931 --> 00:34:12,900
Your relationship is no longer private.
700
00:34:14,519 --> 00:34:17,438
I-it's completely normal
to experiment with sex.
701
00:34:17,439 --> 00:34:20,491
Ok. It might be normal to
have sex in a public park,
702
00:34:20,492 --> 00:34:22,243
but the other things?
703
00:34:22,244 --> 00:34:25,246
We were just role-playing.
704
00:34:25,247 --> 00:34:27,198
Every couple has fantasies.
705
00:34:27,199 --> 00:34:28,816
Did you ever think it was strange
706
00:34:28,817 --> 00:34:30,451
that your boyfriend has fantasies
707
00:34:30,452 --> 00:34:32,603
about strangling and raping women?
708
00:34:32,604 --> 00:34:35,089
Not women.
709
00:34:35,090 --> 00:34:37,591
Just me.
710
00:34:41,796 --> 00:34:45,266
Did he...kiss you on the forehead, too?
711
00:34:48,270 --> 00:34:50,204
How did you know that?
712
00:34:50,205 --> 00:34:54,391

Now, were you sick much as a kid?

713
00:34:55,810 --> 00:34:59,597
I got strep throat every flu season.
714
00:34:59,598 --> 00:35:02,116
Did you just profile that about me?
715
00:35:02,117 --> 00:35:04,118
Her name was zoe hawkes...
716
00:35:04,119 --> 00:35:06,737
the girl you killed 3 days ago.
717
00:35:06,738 --> 00:35:09,206
We found your dna on her forehead.
718
00:35:09,207 --> 00:35:10,991
It'll never be admissible in court.
719
00:35:10,992 --> 00:35:13,327
Her body was removed from
a state facility and...
720
00:35:13,328 --> 00:35:15,996
now, most people would ask what you did.
721
00:35:15,997 --> 00:35:17,881
I know what you did.
722
00:35:17,882 --> 00:35:20,284
You kissed her on the forehead.
723
00:35:20,285 --> 00:35:23,721
What i what to know is, why?
724
00:35:26,975 --> 00:35:29,893
Why do you think someone
would do that, agent rossi?
725
00:35:29,894 --> 00:35:33,314
Well, that's why i asked
if you had been ill much
726
00:35:33,315 --> 00:35:35,516
as a child.

727
00:35:35,517 --> 00:35:39,186
You see, you're slight, pale, sickly.
728
00:35:39,187 --> 00:35:42,189
Most parents, they kiss
their children on the forehead
729
00:35:42,190 --> 00:35:44,692
to see if their temperature is warm.
730
00:35:44,693 --> 00:35:47,695
Now, my theory is that you,
somehow in your development,
731
00:35:47,696 --> 00:35:52,700
warped that caring gesture
into something perverse.
732
00:35:55,003 --> 00:35:57,838
So, did you sit next to zoe
733
00:35:57,839 --> 00:36:01,592
to see if she got cold?
734
00:36:01,593 --> 00:36:03,961
Is that why you kissed her?
735
00:36:03,962 --> 00:36:07,514
That's a really interesting theory.
736
00:36:07,515 --> 00:36:10,551
Make a great chapter
in one of your books.
737
00:36:13,938 --> 00:36:15,022
Yeah, reid.
738
00:36:15,023 --> 00:36:16,357
I found pictures on his computer
739
00:36:16,358 --> 00:36:17,858
in a special folder he created.
740
00:36:17,859 --> 00:36:19,526
They're scenic places in the city.

741
00:36:19,527 --> 00:36:22,313
3 of them i recognize
from his crime scenes.
742
00:36:22,314 --> 00:36:24,732
There are more pictures of
places i don't recognize.
743
00:36:24,733 --> 00:36:27,067
All right. Email them
as soon as you can.
744
00:36:27,068 --> 00:36:28,702
This guys getting off on those photos.
745
00:36:28,703 --> 00:36:31,071
Then what does he need linda for?
746
00:36:31,072 --> 00:36:34,074
Did he have any other
strange preferences in bed?
747
00:36:34,075 --> 00:36:35,743
No.
748
00:36:35,744 --> 00:36:37,544
Did he ever role play by tying you up?
749
00:36:37,545 --> 00:36:39,079
No.
750
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:40,464
Are you sure?
751
00:36:40,465 --> 00:36:41,882
Yes.
752
00:36:42,967 --> 00:36:45,502
I'm sure.
753
00:36:46,971 --> 00:36:49,473
He liked... he liked
being an exhibitionist.
754
00:36:50,975 --> 00:36:54,361

It was really the only

way he could get excited.
755
00:36:54,362 --> 00:36:56,447
What do you mean?
756
00:36:56,448 --> 00:36:58,399
Well, he didn't... like...
757
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:00,784
having sex in bed.
758
00:37:00,785 --> 00:37:04,988
So he just took me to public places.
759
00:37:04,989 --> 00:37:06,507
Where?
760
00:37:08,877 --> 00:37:11,295
Do i have to tell you this?
761
00:37:11,296 --> 00:37:12,463
Please.
762
00:37:12,464 --> 00:37:14,298
Ok.
763
00:37:16,468 --> 00:37:19,086
The first time was...
764
00:37:19,087 --> 00:37:21,071
at kingsbury park.
765
00:37:22,140 --> 00:37:24,475
And then...
766
00:37:24,476 --> 00:37:26,093
at a movie theater.
767
00:37:26,094 --> 00:37:28,228
In the parking lot, in my car.
768
00:37:29,931 --> 00:37:32,733
Did he ever take you to
the second street bridge,

769
00:37:32,734 --> 00:37:35,018
off the bike path?
770
00:37:35,019 --> 00:37:36,653
Yeah.
771
00:37:37,906 --> 00:37:40,157
That's where the jogger was killed.
772
00:37:40,158 --> 00:37:42,976
He can only have sex with linda
when he's revisiting his crimes.
773
00:37:42,977 --> 00:37:44,445
If that's the case, what
were the doing in the park
774
00:37:44,446 --> 00:37:45,579
where we picked them up?
775
00:37:51,252 --> 00:37:52,953
I need you to write down for me
776
00:37:52,954 --> 00:37:55,672
all the places he took you to have sex.
777
00:38:04,966 --> 00:38:08,385
The d.a.'s not gonna need
to negotiate a deal with you.
778
00:38:16,778 --> 00:38:19,279
Cedar park, edgewater channel,
779
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:23,400
cuyahoga valley park, euclid creek.
780
00:38:25,236 --> 00:38:28,288
We'll send units in the morning
to search for the bodies.
781
00:38:31,242 --> 00:38:32,910
How'd you find out?
782
00:38:32,911 --> 00:38:33,911
Eric.

783
00:38:33,912 --> 00:38:35,996
Is it something that i did?
784
00:38:35,997 --> 00:38:38,882
You needed to revisit the crime scenes
785
00:38:38,883 --> 00:38:40,417
because it was the only way
786
00:38:40,418 --> 00:38:42,803
for you to get a
gratifying sexual release.
787
00:38:44,639 --> 00:38:47,324
But revisiting the scenes wasn't enough.
788
00:38:47,325 --> 00:38:51,028
You had to capture it on
film, put it on your computer,
789
00:38:51,029 --> 00:38:53,564
display it on your wall,
790
00:38:53,565 --> 00:38:56,733
so you could look at it every day.
791
00:38:57,936 --> 00:39:00,103
Eric, we should talk privately.
792
00:39:00,104 --> 00:39:02,322
This isn't over.
793
00:39:06,995 --> 00:39:09,847
I always knew i'd end up back in prison.
794
00:39:09,848 --> 00:39:12,166
Just a matter of when.
795
00:39:12,167 --> 00:39:15,702
You can come interview me if you want.
796
00:39:15,703 --> 00:39:17,504
I read in one of your books
797
00:39:17,505 --> 00:39:19,790

that's how you built your

behavioral database, right?
798
00:39:19,791 --> 00:39:22,709
Maybe you can learn something from me.
799
00:39:25,513 --> 00:39:28,215
I got a lot of questions myself.
800
00:39:29,934 --> 00:39:33,220
I'll be honest with you
if you're honest with me.
801
00:39:34,455 --> 00:39:37,107
'cause the one thing that you always ask
802
00:39:37,108 --> 00:39:39,560
is the one that i don't undersnd.
803
00:39:40,728 --> 00:39:42,946
Why?
804
00:39:44,065 --> 00:39:46,366
I have no idea why.
805
00:39:47,986 --> 00:39:49,786
I see a guy walking down the street
806
00:39:49,787 --> 00:39:52,155
with a stupid look on his face
807
00:39:52,156 --> 00:39:56,493
and i want to bash him
over the head th a bottl
808
00:39:56,494 --> 00:39:58,495
to me that's normal.
809
00:40:00,131 --> 00:40:03,750
It's weird to me that no
one else feels that way.
810
00:40:05,904 --> 00:40:08,472
It's all i think about.
811
00:40:08,473 --> 00:40:11,508

I can't stop.
812
00:40:39,287 --> 00:40:41,622
This is not up for debate.
813
00:40:41,623 --> 00:40:44,291
Cancel the rest of the dates.
814
00:40:44,292 --> 00:40:46,877
Is everything ok?
815
00:40:46,878 --> 00:40:49,796
Why do people want to hear
me talk about serial killers?
816
00:40:49,797 --> 00:40:51,265
Is it that entertaining?
817
00:40:51,266 --> 00:40:53,767
There'a public fascination with them.
818
00:40:53,768 --> 00:40:55,769
Sometimes i wonder if my books
819
00:40:55,770 --> 00:40:57,304
are doing more harm than good.
820
00:40:57,305 --> 00:40:59,273
My senior year at georgetown...
821
00:40:59,274 --> 00:41:01,892
i was graduating, i did not have a clue
822
00:41:01,893 --> 00:41:03,810
what i was gonna do with my life.
823
00:41:03,811 --> 00:41:06,313
And one day i was in
the campus bookstore
824
00:41:06,314 --> 00:41:07,948
and you were there,
825
00:41:07,949 --> 00:41:10,284
promoting your second book.

826
00:41:10,285 --> 00:41:12,486
Sat through your whole talk.
827
00:41:12,487 --> 00:41:14,955
You never told me.
828
00:41:14,956 --> 00:41:17,324
I asked you what it was
you were most proud of,
829
00:41:17,325 --> 00:41:21,378
and you showed us a picture
of a boy from charleston.
830
00:41:21,379 --> 00:41:23,297
Brent roberts.
831
00:41:23,298 --> 00:41:24,748
A neighbor took him.
832
00:41:24,749 --> 00:41:26,133
He was found alive.
833
00:41:26,134 --> 00:41:27,834
One of the few.
834
00:41:29,470 --> 00:41:31,588
That night, i bought your book.
835
00:41:31,589 --> 00:41:34,591
Applied to the academy the next fall.
836
00:41:38,646 --> 00:41:40,897
I'll see you at the airport.
837
00:41:48,990 --> 00:41:50,657
Austrian novelist
838
00:41:50,658 --> 00:41:53,327
marie von ebner-eschenbach wrote:
839
00:41:53,328 --> 00:41:55,078
"in youth we learn.
840
00:41:55,079 --> 00:41:57,698

In age we understand."
841
00:42:07,342 --> 00:42:10,010
I hear you caught him.
842
00:42:12,797 --> 00:42:14,047
We did.
843
00:42:15,299 --> 00:42:17,384
Is he going to prison?
844
00:42:17,385 --> 00:42:19,970
For the rest of his life.
845
00:42:23,024 --> 00:42:25,275
It doesn't make me feel better.
846
00:42:25,276 --> 00:42:28,528
He's alive, zoe's not.
847
00:42:30,565 --> 00:42:33,650
But she'd be pleased
that you caught him.
848
00:42:37,288 --> 00:42:38,955
I hope so.
849
00:42:50,735 --> 00:42:53,754
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