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Why is Estonia banned?
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https://x10hosting.com/community/threads/country-restriction.196140/
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If your current ISP's IP 'country code' is not on x10hosting's "Whitelist" -:- o
r you are using a proxy -:- or you are using VPN -:- or you are using something
like TOR --- you CAN NOT setup or open a x10hosting's free-hosting account -- th
is is a computer (system) setting and staff can not bypass (override) it
The "Whitelist" of IP 'country codes' and some other restrictions do not apply t
o Premium, and VPS service plans - except when U.S.A. law prohibits your ISP's I
P 'country code'
To see the current x10hosting's "Whitelist" --> [ https://community.x10hosting.c
om/threads/country-restrictions.166022/ ]
bdistler, Mar 13, 2015 <<
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https://x10hosting.com/community/threads/country-restrictions.166022/
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In order to offer our services to as many people as possible while dealing with
the heightened abuse from certain countries we have created a high risk plan. Th
e difference between this plan and the normal plans is a limit of 500MB disk spa
ce and 10GB bandwidth. After you put up a website that falls inline with our ter
ms of service and your account is at least 7 days old you may post a support tic
ket requesting for these limits to be lifted.
If your country is not in the Whitelist or High Risk list we can not provide ser
vice to you at this time. Countries are added/removed periodically depending on
abuse levels.
Whitelist
United States
Canada
United Kingdom
Australia
Spain
Mexico
New Zealand
Ireland
US Minor Outlying Islands
Virgin Islands (U.S.)
Virgin Islands (British)
Italy NEW!*
Switzerland NEW!*
Sweden NEW!*
Singapore NEW!*
Philippines NEW!*
Portugal NEW!*
Iceland NEW!*
* = Added April 2015

High Risk
None
Blacklist
Any country not listed in High Risk or Whitelist
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https://x10hosting.com/community/threads/elitist-racist-and-dictatorial-countryrestrictions.180550/
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Before making this post, I would like to say that I have read all the posts abou
t country restrictions.
I travel a lot and wanted to create a blog about my trips. I am a culture histor
ian, so I travel and relate curiosities about what I learn in each country. So I
came here a couple months ago, and created the account for my blog. But I had a
n accident in Africa and lost my net access, and when I managed to have internet
back the site was gone.
I can deal with that.
Back in France I decided to make yet another attempt to create the site, and muc
h for my horror, the country was banned.
Seeing the comments of everybody here, the people asking, suggesting and protest
ing, and all the administration does is to "shrug it off" and assume the "this i
s not open to discussion" position.
How pitiful, how pathetic. I wholeheartedly agree with Killer Gabriel's post fou
nd here: http://x10hosting.com/forums/feedback-suggestions/180528-change-country
-restriction-rules.html. This is the worst and most pure form of discrimination.
Out of a whole planet, only individuals of 8 countries are allowed to sign up f
or this free service. I can only wonder if Argentinians, Brazilians, the whole L
atin and South America, the whole lot of Africans and some other Europeans were
born with three ears or five foot or something.
Because mate, in good plain english, the vast majority of ASSHOLES are all gathe
red in USA. The biggest thieves, the worse educational methods, the biggest crim
e rate, the biggest incidents of child abuse (specially by parents), the most fa
mous evil hackers, the biggest rate of software piracy, the worst criminals, etc
etc etc are all in US. The worst show of money waste (investing in SPACE while
people beg in the streets of big cities like New York, for example), are there.
The biggest rate of foreign discrimination (they are only good as tourists to sp
end money and they have to pay a fortune for the visa) is there. People say US i
s tolerant with immigrants, but if an immigrant loves and embraces their putrid
culture, they accuse the foreigner immigrant of "theft", not of "attempt of incl
usion". if they don't and remain within their own cultural habits (Chinese, Jews
), they are cast out as unwanted ANYWAY. And on top of that, they cut short free
dom of expression, limiting to allow only flattery! If someone gives a "negative
" opinion - like mine just here - they will find anything they can to accuse you
of bullying, harassment, defamation, slander, libel... you freaking name it. Oh
, I can go on. I can top this cake with the cherry of SHAME: they cry and make a
freaking carnival over their September 11, but payback is a b***h: they FORGET,
quite conveniently so, to "celebrate" also the massacre they did with Hiroshima
and Nagasaki with the nuclear bomb, little shorter than a month before (beginni
ng of august), and not surprisingly the kids on those cities TODAY still have ge
netic issues while the sons and daughters of Pearl Harbor are very healthy in th
eir generation! And they forget that for us, outsiders, "thanksgiving" is NOT ga
ther around a table to give thanks for what you have: in US story it is quite cl
ear that thanksgiving is to give thanks for the MASSACRE of the Natives to steal
their lands. I can add more cherries: you f*****g retards send your soldiers to
war, and when the soldiers come back you treat them like s***! But if they kill

ed kids and others in OUR lands, THEY KILLED FOR YOU!!!!! How much farther from
hypocrisy can that be? You invade other countries, intrude OUR affairs - with wh
ich right? WHO invited you? NO ONE! You say that other countries shouldn't have
bombs? What makes you so special? Give the example and disarm YOURS, then polite
ly (ops, do they even know the word?) ASK other countries to do the same! They j
udge people by appearance, and yes, by country of birth! I heard a JUDGE of LAW
telling the american husband that beat the crap of the Latino wife, with her fac
e all purple, bandages all over, ribs fractured, a lung punctured: "And who is g
oing to believe you? Any scum from us is far better than any 'good person' from
your country". I SAW THIS SHAME, I RECORDED IT. I was invited once to a Christma
s meal and one of the guys told his brother after giving him a gift: "dude, you
know how it goes. I just gave you a nice gift. You should have gotten me somethi
ng better, too." I saw american people charging for gifts, charging to help othe
rs! I saw people in homeless shelter denying food for a beggar because the begga
r was Canadian. CANADIAN, imagine!!! Mexicans, oh God. The Mexicans had to PAY f
or a soup in a FREE SOUP LINE!!! Man, Stop charging for freebies!
Speaking of freebies, "don't complain it is free" doesn't really serve you right
anymore. Dear US, do you remember the load of rotten meat you sent to Africa, t
hat killed several people, moms, children, family fathers that work harder than
you could ever dream? Do you remember what you told the PRESS from Europe AFTER
you killed so many people with your freebies? "It is free, they shouldn't compla
in", US lawyers said. I HAVE THE INTERVIEW ON DVD!!!!!!!!!!
Man, I so could go on. After all I lived in freaking US for 20 out of my 50 year
s of life, that is more than I ever stayed in only one land, studying and trying
to UNDERSTAND what made USA such a "powerful" nation. I have NO idea. I rule ou
t "respect for others" in favor of Elitism, Blackmail, Bigotry, and a very well
disguised hypocrite THEFT - of morals, of land, or anything else. No wonder US i
s always in the news of each country, whereas most countries only have their own
news to show: US shoves their p****s everywhere. USA "RAPES" the world. That's
what I have learned in 20 years breathing their air, feeding of their food, and
trying to deal with their people.
The only good thing US people have, after all that s***, is that even KNOWING th
is whole crap about themselves, they are patriotic to the point of fanaticism, t
o the point of claiming the word for themselves.
Got news for you guys. USA is NOTHING but HITLER NAZI 2.0. The same "not open fo
r discussion" attitude, right after banning the "inadequate ones" (us) out of yo
ur servers. What comes next? Your private gas chambers via ISP tracker? Because
you already have that with the death penalty for the inadequate people physicall
y present in your physical territory.
I have left USA disgusted, but hell, first there was the Roman Empire, then ther
e was The Church, and then there was Hitler. Now we have USA. What else is missi
ng here?
Beware... today they ban the world, tomorrow they bomb us all with nuclear bombs
too. They think they will be free of the sequels? Guess. Just GUESS.
Guys, you should be trying TO MAKE PEACE with the rest of us. Not add to our des
pise. Is it not good enough that when your president comes to our countries, the
y are received with "go home" boards, shoes thrown and other clear signs that YO
U ARE NOW THE MOST HATED NATION IN THIS PLANET, and your f*****g "power" will le
ad you NOWHERE, FAST, if you don't start earning SOME friends, through friendly
interactions? And why can't it start with your services? Because you know, it ta
kes brick by brick to build a wall, but it takes the removal of ONE for all the
others fall back on your head. You should put your brick to help US to have frie
ndly interactions, and not remove one brick to have the wall fall on you - and h
ere I am helping it fall.
You come to speak of banning countries in your servers due to ABUSE?? Holy s***,
YOU ABUSE THE END USER when you refuse to even TALK ABOUT IT, or analyze case b
y case. Oh it is many? Oh you need rules? Excellent. Everybody needs rules. But
surely there are MANY ways to do so. Hire volunteers and offer them extra free s
pace for their time filtering the suggested request for a site! So many GOOD sug
gestions on your own forums, and you just close them and cast them out without e

ven listening?
Bigotry! Prejudice!! Dictatorship!!! HITLER 2.0!!!!!!
SHAME ON YOU USA!! SHAME ON YOU SERVERS ADMINISTRATORS!!!!!!
As for me, I challenge you to leave this subject open for all to read, while I w
ill remove my account to never return. I had promised to never return to US whil
e alive - US and I don't need each other really - but if I have to see this path
etic show that nothing had improved in the mentality of you americans that "own
a little something" towards my fellow foreigners, I really don't want to be usin
g this services anymore. If I cannot remove my account on my free will, feel fre
e to ban me!
Matter of fact? f*****g go to hell and shove this service up the ass.
Respectfully,
Proudly EX customer.
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It's a shame you're not coming back as I'd have liked to read your articles.
I have also done a better job of masking the more ... 'adult' words as there are
a number of younger users here. Whilst I'm sure they've heard it all before tha
t's not the point.
Also, I do see your point, but denying users access to a WEB HOSTING SERVICE is
not the same as denying them access to life. Sadly, I am informed that there are
statistics to demonstrate that your fellow countrymen (and those from the other
countries on the blacklist) statistically use a disproportionate amount of manhours for dealing with disallowed content including dealing with copyright and D
MCA. Yes, I understand that DMCA is a USA issue, but x10Hosting is a company bas
ed in the USA. This is not the same as cases such as certain popular bittorrent
tracking service where USA agencies were meddling with foreign companies (and no
w sadly UK ISPs have blocked access completely - so much for free speech and ope
n access without censorship in the 'free west'......)
My final point is that x10Hosting does not run with a huge number of support sta
ff; free hosting is mostly run by volunteers, the perks of which include getting
a free x10Premium hosting plan. It's not much, but there's not a lot asked of.
Having to deal with rule-breakers means the service provided to other customers
suffers.
@others: please don't just delete this because of it's content without reading..
.
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This has been discussed many times and my answer remains the same. When countrie
s decide to start policing their user's activities on the internet we will more
apt to allow them to sign-up.
The amount of fraud, not even taking copyright infringement into account - but f
lat out phishing, hacking attacks, child pornography, botnets, etc coming from c
ountries such as Nigeria, Brazil, China, Iran, Iraq... is ridiculous. Users from
theses countries are free to do whatever illegal activity they want on the inte
rnet because the governments do not reprimand them. The risk of them getting in
trouble for participating in illegal activities is extremely low. I completely u
nderstand there are users from these countries that do not participate in this t
ype of activity, however any country blocked at this time has a fraud rate of 80
% or higher. That means that over 80% of sign-ups from the country resulted in s
uspensions for illegal activity. The overhead for us as a business and the negat
ive impact on other users is extremely high from this.
x10Hosting offers the least restricted free hosting on the internet, we do not b
lock email, we do not block a ridiculous amount of PHP functions, we do not bloc
k fsockopen... the list goes on. It would either come down to we do not offer fr
ee hosting, or we restrict our services so severely to prevent abuse that it neg
atively impacts all of our other users.
As I've said *many* times before. When the governments of these countries start
taking a stance against the illegal actions of their residents we will be happy
to welcome them back with open arms. Until then we have to protect ourselves and

our other users, unfortunately the easiest way to do this with the limited reso
urces of a *free hosting* company is to disallow signups from the country as a w
hole.
My only real reply to you is that you should probably get all the facts before l
aunching into a hate filled rant about stuff you do not understand.
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He did, that's why he wrote this.
Can't you just accept criticism and admit that you're discriminating people with
out reason, aside from their country of residence?
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killergabriel22: Thanks for replying to this. Please read Corey's response - sad
ly the blocks are not without reason.
Key quote:
I completely understand there are users from these countries that do not
participate in this type of activity, however any country blocked at this time
has a fraud rate of 80% or higher. That means that over 80% of sign-ups from the
country resulted in suspensions for illegal activity. The overhead for us as a
business and the negative impact on other users is extremely high from this.
I have highlighted the key points in bold.
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Check my latest thread Accept Criticism for a more complete answer; here's a sma
ll tidbit.
He also says that the blacklisted countries are the one who abuse X10 se
rvers the most...and, frankly, that's impossible, because it's impossible that e
very single country inside the blacklist in a certain time span, aside from the
8 you accept, provokes the same amount of abuse in the same way at the same time
(the servers would already have crashed without chance of recovery a long time
ago).
I think that says it all.
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killergabriel22 said:
Check my latest thread Accept Criticism for a more complete answ
er; here's a small tidbit.
I think that says it all.
Says all of what? That makes absolutely no sense and it clearly comes from someo
ne that has little to no understanding on how things work.
It's very easy, we have 8 years of data. Looking back at the past *1 year* we ca
n easily sort our data and see which countries had the highest suspension rates
for non automated reasons such as inactivity. That data coupled with numerous ot
her reports we're able to pull paints a very clear picture of why a majority of
people sign up from the banned countries.
You're welcome to think whatever you want, what it comes down to is as a busines
s we have the choice to provide service to whomever we want. Our decision was ma
de to increase the quality of service, nothing more. We've tried allowing *every
* country to sign-up, we had open sign-ups for 6 years before implementing a ver
y short blacklist of countries. That failed to work so we took the drastic route
and banned all countries that have shown high risk behavior this past year.
The best thing about the internet? If you don't like our policies you're welcome

to go elsewhere. Or better yet, start your own hosting company and allow open s
ignups. Maybe that will give you the perspective you are sorely lacking.
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That failed to work so we took the drastic route and banned all countrie
s that have shown high risk behavior this past year.
I admit my knowledge of the subject is very low, but I find it unbelievable that
188 countries show the same amount of high risk behavior at the same time of a
certain period (whereas 8 countries never have that problem); how can you be so
sure of that data?
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The current allowed countries do have abuse, however in terms of good signups vs
abusive signups the ratio is low. I am 100% sure of the data because it is reco
rded by us, we're not using a 3rd party. Every signup is logged by the system wi
th the IP it came from. Every suspension is also logged, it's easy to sort suspe
nsions by country and even drill down to the most popular reasons for suspension
s.
This is a business decision, nothing more. I would love to accept signups from t
he whole world, I would love if there was no abuse. It would make things a lot e
asier for us. The unfortunate reality is that what is normal in other countries
breaks the laws here where our servers are, and where we are registered as a bus
iness. Just as an example here are two countries:
Nigeria's suspension rate was over 95% before we blocked them. That means that o
ut of 100 signups from Nigeria 95 of them were participating in illegal activity
such as phishing, 419 scams, spamming, etc.
Nigeria is known for scams, they even have the term 'nigerian scam' coined. I wa
tched a documentary where kids in middle school on lunch break would call people
in the US trying to pull scams, that is how "normal" it is there.
China's suspension rate was over 90%. The majority of Chinese suspensions were p
roxies, nulled scripts, and warez\copyright infringement in general. There are o
nly so many DMCAs and copyright claims we can deal with before companies start l
ooking at us to be liable for hosting the material.
If you've traveled to China it is the land of copyright infringement... you can
buy a knock off anything there. The mentality of it being OK to use a nulled\ill
egal script or someone elses work without permission is normal behavior there an
d this behavior shows online.
When China was allowed to signup, we would sometimes receive 500 new users per d
ay from just that one country. When over 400 of those new users were set out to
either perform actions that disrupt the services for everyone else (spamming, to
rrenting, carrying out external attacks) or to just participate in other illegal
activity, the choices how to deal with it are limited. Remember we are offering
a service for free, dealing with disruptive actions, never mind the legal reper
cussions and complaints takes a lot of time.
Just last year we almost lost a whole free server due to an FBI investigation we
were subpoened in. I am certain if we didn't institute the initial country bloc
k a year or so ago we would have lost a server to the FBI or another government
organization by now. In that case I am completely unsure how I would respond to
over 10,000 upset free hosting customers that did nothing wrong when the server
they are on is confiscated.
People need to understand the reasoning behind decisions before throwing out wor
ds like 'racist'. Our decision for the country blocks is based on facts from dat
a over a long period of time. It's quick and easy to bash a company when you kno
w nothing of how it works.
One thing I never see with threads like these, why not offer your own solution t
o the problem instead of just complaining about ours. Think something is broken
or needs to be fixed? Offer up a solution to fix it. The energy used in the tant
rum thrown by the original author of the thread could have been used in a though

t provoking discussion, instead they went off on some crazy tangents about nazis
- which in turn helps no one. I honestly have no idea what the thought process
was behind the post, did they think we would read that hate filled and ridiculou
s post and suddenly change our policies? No. Not going to happen.
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First let me express my gratitude to x10hosting for a best hosting up to date! Y
our hosting service is easy to use and reliable furthermore it keeps improving.
That makes the confidence in x10 and builds a trust likewize a personal relation
ship. Simply enjoyable.
Still there is some odd inconsistencies exist within perfectness. Although the c
ountry restriction policy is fair and comprehensible, it fits the othewise frien
dly service the most unnatural way. The raither harsh cut off policy leaves no o
ptions for a good people to join in.
The invitation tickets could possibly ease the joining in for a newcomers from a
High Risk countries. The applicants may initiate the discussion for their futur
e resources, on what they are going or trying to do, share some examples. It is
thrilling to know who your neighbours would be also it has to be something for a
common good. I'm sure that most of the x10 elders would not mind some substanti
al projects to join in. The raither weak and senseless presentations may be reje
cted by elders, no big deal. Non user attactive presentations with no responses
at all can be safely rejected as well. The very same thread may serve as a gener
al welcome thread and early troubleshooting as well. IMO the presentation\welcom
e thread may both revitalize the forum and give the opportunities to join in for
users from a High Risk countries.
Technically it may work like this, all of High Risk countries join in suspended
with the only viable option to create a ticket within a special welcome subforum
where they may share their presentation and welcome others and collect their ye
ah & noes from elders, power users. In case of mass spamming or moderation resou
rces shortage the High Risk zone could be shrinked as well.
In my humble opinion the 'user making good to user' policy is always better, it
stimulate the interaction and hosting synergy growth. By no means i'm a hosting
expert so all of written above was just a thought flight.
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Corey said:
One thing I never see with threads like these, why not offer your own so
lution to the problem instead of just complaining about ours. Think something is
broken or needs to be fixed? Offer up a solution to fix it. The energy used in
the tantrum thrown by the original author of the thread could have been used in
a thought provoking discussion, instead they went off on some crazy tangents abo
ut nazis - which in turn helps no one.
Can't help but agree there. Alas for some people, it's conveniently easier to co
mplain over things they don't necessarily understand or even care other than the
ir own (somewhat understandably) selfish interests.
A somewhat funny part about the OP's first and last rant post is we that all ess
entially "discriminate" in one form or another. We discriminate or choose who we
associate with, who we allow in our premises, etc.
But that part about nazis? Totally unnecessary, hate-filled, unproductive, ignor
ant, and serves no helpful purpose other than to allow one to vent and unnecessa
rily create more ill will than there already is.
Also alas, this sort of thing is going to keep happening as long as hateful, sel
fish, ignorant people are abound and - worse - are unwilling to learn or at leas
t be remotely open-minded as to how or why these things tend to happen. Such is
life.
Anywho, I want to thank the X10Hosting people for this valuable service. Maybe s
omeday when I can afford it, I'll invest in your paid solutions.
Cheers.

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Op Your anti-USA stance is way more bigoted than even the outlandish claims you mak
e of X10. You claim that X10 is profiling based on stereotypes, but base your cl
aim on stereotypes.
You sir, are a hypocrite and an ignorant one at that ;)
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garrettroyce said: ?
Op Your anti-USA stance is way more bigoted than even the outlandish claims
you make of X10. You claim that X10 is profiling based on stereotypes, but base
your claim on stereotypes.
You sir, are a hypocrite and an ignorant one at that ;)
Nah, don't bother. The OP just posted to foolishly and needlessly vent, that's a
ll.
If anything, other members who feel like venting this way ought to think long an
d hard before clicking the Submit Reply button.
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I think the free and paid hosting is brilliant, and made better for all the extr
a features open because x10 block abusers via there Country Restrictions.
Also I commend x10 for blocking people like the op from hosting :)
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Hi, although I'm a newbie in this forum, i feel there is still an option that ha
s not been tested. I believe the main purpose to have a free hosting is to get p
eople to upgrade. I have a friend that has built a free template and was getting
a lot of donations. He was talking with me about his great hosting, thinking of
upgrade and after a few days, puff, his site was gone (his forum started to gro
w and send too many emails per day, hosting considering this as spam). He lost a
ll his community because of not setting correctly his forum. Learning from his m
istake tried to join x10hosting but residing in Belgium seemed to be a bad optio
n (sure, he could go in a vacation in Spain and join from there...). Anyway, I k
now and would like to refer this person. More, his website is back online on a l
ocal hosting (including source code) so you'll already know what you'll get on y
our servers. But there is no way I can send him an invite. I would be happy to b
e allowed to send an invite every 6 months or maybe every year. More, you could
record all my referred users and know quickly exactly what user is to blame. Los
ing the ability to invite friends and even a suspension while the country still
being banned will solve any issues and still give an option for you to sill make
money. Therefore, from those 10% of people that don't break the rules, you can
build a community of people that are (or are trying to be) most likely honest pr
ofessional website builders. And these users have a very high statistical chance
of upgrading. It's just that right now even if I, from a banned country respect
the rules i just can't tell a friend to test your services even if he will most
likely upgrade. Just let those honest 10% do the filtering for you and you can
easily control from there.
PS. If there is a possibility for my friend to join x10hosting services, please
contact me in private or email so I don't post here the website to be considered
spam. Consider this a serious (well, in the limitations of a forum post), publi
c request.
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It's not that easy. The only reliable way to do the block/restriction is by refu
sing IP address blocks (and yes, a proxy detection is part of the process), so a
referral won't work. The alternative would be to ask people which country they'

re signing up from, and hoping that if they're coming from a blocked or restrict
ed country they'll say so truthfully (like that's going to happen).
It is unfortunate that things have to be this way. The restricted account experi
ment on Lotus didn't work out well, though. You can bet that if there were a cos
t-effective way to service other countries, they'd be doing it, but if it costs
more to support an area than they can possibly hope to make up in upgrades to pa
id plans, then it's a charity, not a business. And that leaves out the effort re
quired to keep the servers off of spam, malware and search engine blacklists. (T
hey're all incredibly easy to get onto and incredibly difficult to get off of.)
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essellar said:
It's not that easy. The only reliable way to do the block/restriction is
by refusing IP address blocks (and yes, a proxy detection is part of the proces
s), so a referral won't work.
I can't advocate for something that is out of comment or at least out of discuss
ion. And my argument is that I'm not actually doing quite that, considering that
the ideea is to add to the concept and not remove anything that's already in pl
ace. I totally agree that a company can impose it's own restricitons sees fit to
make money only if those restrictions don't affect the "making money" buisness.
Indeed, an IP blocking with very good proxy detection will solve the problems o
f spam/other illicit activities and, if added on top of this, the referring syst
em can stream to x10hosting, users with high probability to upgrade, that are du
rring a start-up or, are most likely using other hosting services for which they
have a certain unsatisfaction. The ban to the service can still be done in the
usual way it's already been done, just an additional access to the services opti
on be included. Everyone can see that x10hosting is offering high quality servic
es but you know that most professionals users don't bother to search for a new h
osting when they already have one and only do that if they have problems, but if
their country is blocked for testing, they will try something else. More, is en
couraging the free users who never upgrade to promote x10hosting, thus giving th
em a purpose that makes money in the end. I strongly belive that only bloking IP
's solves keeping a high quality service and to solve money losing problem more
clever ways to attract "high rollers" need to be implemented.
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The best way to accomplish that is customer goodwill and word-of-mouth (or wordof-footer, more likely). Admittedly, I come from a background where hosting isn'
t easy to find, is often horrifically expensive when you do find it, and switchi
ng hosts on a whim (as is so very easy in the LAMP world) is not easy. When we f
ound a host that scratched our itches and soothed our pains, we'd usually give t
hem a nod -- when they allowed it. (And they usually vetted hosting mentions, si
nce a poorly-coded, slow and sloppy application would hardly be a good showcase
for their services. As with PHP+MySQL, the platform in question had a low barrie
r to entry and a whole smorgasbord of ways to do things very wrongly; bubble sor
ts and Schlemiel the Painter's algorithms abound even though efficient sorts of
various types and collection traversals were built into the toolset.)
Perhaps a bit of encouragement for exceptional sites (high traffic/high function
/low resource) to mention hosting might help at all levels of service (from the
basic shared hosting, through Infinity+ and eventually managed VPS -- it's a bit
of a reach to take credit for unmanaged VPS that way, but it's something a site
owner might mention if the price/performance ratio is something they appreciate
).
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Corey said:
One thing I never see with threads like these, why not offer your own so

lution to the problem instead of just complaining about ours. Think something is
broken or needs to be fixed? Offer up a solution to fix it. The energy used in
the tantrum thrown by the original author of the thread could have been used in
a thought provoking discussion, instead they went off on some crazy tangents abo
ut nazis - which in turn helps no one. I honestly have no idea what the thought
process was behind the post, did they think we would read that hate filled and r
idiculous post and suddenly change our policies? No. Not going to happen.
Have you considered permitting registrations from those countries after receivin
g more information such as why they want the account and different assurances? M
ake it take time to do and not a quick 5 minute automatic setup.
I would think that the majority of people who are from these countries and want
to participate in legal website hosting would spend some time to actually prove
their intent provided they knew the good service of x10. Those who just want to
spam will not be bothered by the long process and just go to the many other host
ing sites.
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chewett said:
Have you considered permitting registrations from those countries after
receiving more information such as why they want the account and different assur
ances?.....The majority of people who are from these countries and want to parti
cipate in legal website hosting would spend some time to actually prove their in
tent provided they knew the good service of x10. Those who just want to spam wil
l not be bothered by the long process and just go to the many other hosting site
s.
I agree with the whole discussion, but I have to reply to chewett: have you cons
idered that people lie? Especially scammers who, knowing perfectly that what the
y do is illegal, perfected the "art"; they'll just say they need a site to host
their photos and/or blog and, since you can't look at people's faces in emails,
how can you be sure they aren't lying?
From this point of view, I still cannot yet fully understand - I still think the
y made a too drastic of a decision - but I simpathyze a little bit.
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chewett said:
Have you considered permitting registrations from those countries after
receiving more information such as why they want the account and different assur
ances? Make it take time to do and not a quick 5 minute automatic setup.
I would think that the majority of people who are from these countries a
nd want to participate in legal website hosting would spend some time to actuall
y prove their intent provided they knew the good service of x10. Those who just
want to spam will not be bothered by the long process and just go to the many ot
her hosting sites.
That's still an administrative headache for the number of applicants, and virtua
lly impossible to police without providing sufficient extra human resources dedi
cated to tackling the issue. Additionally, as already mentioned above, people li
e. It's an inherent human condition which is exaggerated online.