Public Program, Agya chakra. Caxton Hall, London (UK), 18 December 1978.

Today we are talking about the sixth chakra called as Agya Chakra. The gya,
gya word means to know, gya is to know. And A means the whole.
Agya chakra also has another meaning. A-gya, agya means obedience or to
order. It can mean both the things. If you order to someone it is an agya and the
one who obeys the order is an agyakari. The one who does the agya.
This sixth chakra was created in the human beings when he started thinking.
Thinking is language expressed.
If we do not have a language we cannot think. But it does not mean there is no
thought coming into us. If we cannot express it, it does not mean there is no
thought process working in us. But at that subtle stage when the thoughts are
coming to us they are not in language, so they are not communicated to us, and
thats why if we do not have language we cannot understand what we are
thinking.
Thats why you must have seen children cannot communicate to us what they
want because they cannot say what they are wanting. They feel the urge in the
stomach and they want to ask for, say, water or something, but they cant say it
to us, and thats why they cannot think what they have to say about.
But afterwards when you start thinking and putting it into language, that
language is stored in our brain as shown in the picture on the left hand side and
also on the right hand side of that yellow and black, then it comes back to us as,
later on as, thought waves. As if somebody is talking to us.
But before the language starts, we can call it the inspiration or the thought
process, at the very early stage, comes to us in certain forms, and those forms
are in light and shade. They are not in language but in light and shade. And
after coming to Sahaja Yoga if you go deep into your thoughts youll find they
are nothing but lights and shade that are covering our Agya chakra.
One after another a light and shade, like a circular lighthouse, they give a kind
of a pattern in our head. Now these patterns are moulded into language by us at
a very early stage and these are sort of filled into the cups of language and then

these cups are kept reserved in the brain and they come to us that way. When we
think we really understand because its a language that comes to us.
So what happens to the animals? Do they think or not? They get a thought, an
inspiration but they wont be just thinking about it. Now, these inspirations
come to them as words when they start living with human beings. So these
inspirations go into the thought again as we do. For example you give somebody
a name, say you call him say Tom, or something you call a dog so now he
knows that this word means calling me. So he connects himself with that word.
But when he does not have the word, when hes just an animal, hes just there,
he doesnt think. Thats why they are very spontaneous and we are not. Animals
are extremely spontaneous because they do not think the way we think. And
this has created the greatest problem for human beings: how to get beyond
thoughts.
Its a little complicated thing because perhaps I can see that very clearly, as you
cannot see the light. And then the light forms the language, and then language,
according to us, becomes our thoughts. But these thoughts are really
conditionings on us and they are not inspired things. They are not coming from
inside and thats why we are not spontaneous.
For example if I am sitting here, now I cannot keep quiet as a human being. Ill
be thinking about something. Ill be thinking, What am I going to say? Then
Should I say this or not? What if I say this, will that be alright or not? Will
that go to their heads or not? All sorts of thoughts will be coming into My head.
Then from one side I will be questioning myself. From the other side the
answers will be coming, Alright you say this and if you say like this they may
appreciate you. Go this way that way they will understand. Like that you see. So
the sorting out goes on in our brain through our experiences of this lifetime of
ours.
Whatever have been our experiences in this lifetime in dealing with people in
getting experiences from others: all these are conditioned into our brain and the
whole thing becomes a thought process, which comes to us through this
interaction of thought and action, action and thought, which just starts waves
which action to take, what thought to be put in, how to solve it and we think we
are analyzing ourselves. Its a very superficial thing. Actually you do not analyze
anything whatsoever, you do not. As I told you the other day you do not do
anything.

So your thinking is nothing but a bubbling going on. Because when, like a sea
even, which is, so deep down, so quiet when it touches the shore it has a
action and reaction. In the same way when you are seeing at something,
because your attention is outside, immediately a thought wave is created out of
that, which goes back and gives you all the images about it, whatever you know
about that particular thing and it comes back to you as thought process.
Its going on all the time, and it can be so maddening that we cannot stop our
thoughts: it just goes on like mad. You dont know, you cant sleep because
thoughts are coming. Sometimes they could be horrifying, sometimes they are
gratifying, sometimes romantic, sometimes absolutely negative, sometimes
very positive. Sometimes you feel I must do this, sometimes you feel I
shouldnt do this. But when you [are] actually doing you do not think. Its
surprising, we never notice that when we are doing that particular thing,
supposing I say I am going to speak, these things. Now when Ive thought about
it that I thought say about 10 minutes before when Im speaking it, I am not
thinking that what I was going to speak. Because that time I think Ive built in
that process of thinking into my brain and put it somewhere stored and then,
now, when I have started this talk, that is coming direct to me.
So human beings have developed, I should say a process, which can be a very
sickening thing, very, very sickening. And this comes out of both of these. Is one
the left side that we call the ego, which has gone this side, and the right side we
call the superego. All the conditioning on the right hand side of the superego, is,
gives us, the fears, the dangers, the possibilities. Whatever we have experienced
before. As they say those who have been burnt by milk also [will] take a cold
drink after blowing it a little. Because you have been burnt you know something
liquid has burnt you so you think this may also burn your tongue. So you may
try to do that. It is so spontaneous that time that you feel that, Oh it is very
spontaneous, but it is not. It has been stored before in your experiences and
something there that you are afraid of and thats why you do it.
If we, once, realize that this thought process is absolutely not necessary for us to
exist. There is no need to have any thought about the future or about the past if
you want to exist as human beings. Animals do not bother. For example animals
know that they are going in a jungle. Now suddenly they find some other animal
coming from there and they know that you go there. Now whats the use of
thinking about the animal that is going to come? Supposing it does not come
then its such a waste. But they have a hole here and they no problem as we have

because have a hole the whole thing goes out. It doesnt stick for more than a
minute here. But you can condition them also. By experiences they are
conditioned. By experiences that they have had so far, about other animals and
things, they are conditioned. And they act accordingly.
So theres a tremendous dierence between us and them is that we think about
everything. I mean, we think it is a very great thing to sit down and think about
it. And we think it is very wise to sit down and think about it. Any problem
comes in you think, Better sit down and think about it. But now what do we do
when a problem arrives? We think about it in relation to whatever we have been
doing before and whatever our experiences have been. In the same way they
want to think about Sahaja Yoga.
Now you cannot think about Sahaja Yoga. First of all you become thoughtlessly
aware in Sahaja Yoga to begin with. You cannot think. But it is a happening
about which you cannot think. It is a living happening, thinking is a dead
movement, it is not a living movement. Whatever [is] dead in us comes back to
us as thought. Inspiration is living, not the thinking. Inspiration is very
dierent from the thought. For example, books are in the library, everything
that we have thought of or have got it or experienced this is in the books.
Whatever is new coming to us is the inspiration. Now just find out how many
new things you are thinking, perhaps not even a sentence. Mostly you say that
This gentleman said so, That gentleman said so, That gentleman said so,
or I said so. If you can think about that is coming just now into you, you dont
have to think for it, it just comes out, it is inside you, it just emerges and
expresses itself. So that is the spontaneous living thing. That is what we call as
inspiration: is a sudden glimpse of the knowledge that we get. But whatever we
have [been] thinking about is all the play of the dead.
So this is a centre of Christ. He resides in the centre of Agya, and He is, in the
Devi Purana if you read, was born long, long time before, was created much
earlier and how He developed into Mahavishnu also you can read it for yourself
because its a big chapter and I wish you all could know and read about it and
find out how He developed into Mahavishnu. It is very interesting. Because all
these things were written in Sanskrit language, we should not say that
Mahavishnu was not in the Bible, because Bible itself was not written at a
stretch by one person. So that part is a part of Christs creation before He came
on this Earth as Christ.

Actually Christians do not know anything about His becoming: how He became
Christ or what was the need to have Christ or a son to come down [and] why not
God Himself could do the job. And this is the reason why I would request you to
read for yourself the incarnation of Mahavishnu by which you realize why
Christ was born.
And it is the most important incarnation because He is the principle, He is the
principle of creation, the tattwa, as they call it in Sanskrit language, He is the
tattwa. Ganesha, though resides in the Mooladhara gradually evolves to be
Christ at this stage. From that red chakra up to this chakra He becomes Christ.
He is the principle.
Now what is the principle? Within us what is our principle? Is, say, the
Kundalini you can say. In this (microphone) the electricity is the principle of
this one is. In the same way the creation, the whole creation if you take it as
such, it is the principle and the support of this creation. He represents the
essence, the essence of creation.
Like we can say we have a family, husband and wife and the child. Now the child
is the essence of husband and wife, hes the essence of the family, of the house.
The whole thing is sustained for him, is created for him. Till they did not have
the child there was no meaning to that house, no meaning to their life. But
when they had a child then they had a meaning. In the same way, Christ is the
essence, is the tattwa itself.
Hes the Omkara as they call it. He is the first sound, first sound that was created
Om when the Primordial Father and Primordial Mother separated, They
created this sound. And He is that sound which is filled into All-Pervading
Power and looks after and supports. Actually it is more the support because
looking after is done by the Father you can say or by the Mother. But is the
support of all the Universe.
And because He is just the essence, the essence never dies. Say My essence is
My Spirit, it will never die. The body dies or the creation will die but the essence
has to be there. If the essence is lost then nothing could be there. Thats why
Hes the most important incarnation, because He is the support.
Now this incarnation is placed in this Agya chakra of ours, here in the centre,
where the optic nerve or optic thalamus cross each other like this. In the centre

is a very subtle point which moves both the sides like this and like that and it
creates two sounds hum kshum, hum kshum, hum kshum. Hum is on
the right hand side where you have seen the superego is there and kshum is on
the left hand side where the ego is. Now these two sounds create two kinds of
vibrations. The hum sound creates the vibrations, which make you think, I
am, I am hum, I am. This comes from our existence power that we know we
have to live in this world, were not going to die. Any human being who tries to
kill himself is abnormal. Normally every human beingwhy every animal or
any living thing tries to retain its life? That is through this power of hum, that
I am. Now the superego on the left hand side and ego on the right hand side is
kshum.
But now Ill tell you about the right hand side superego. In this superego when
you are conditioned by so many things, then you are frightened and you are
worried because these experiences make you that type of a person which has
fear in the mind. And this fear is all settled in your superego. This starts from
your amoeba stage you can say and is, still today, is being stored there. You are
afraid of police, you are afraid of that, you are afraid of this. Some people are not
afraid of these things but are afraid of something else, because whatever have
been your conditions, whatever have been your experiences, are all put down
here.
Moreover when somebody reads the book of Dracula now hes afraid of the word
Dracula but the children who do not read they do not know what is a Dracula is.
If you say Dracula has come they say, Alright, lets have a look at him! But
those children [who] have read about Dracula, they are literally frightened and
they say, Oh God, Dracula is coming, something terrible is going to happen!
So you see whatever you have read, whatever you have gone through whatever
experiences you have had all is in the superego. So this superego in that, this
centre, sends [this] message, I am, you are, you are, hum, hum : dont be
afraid, dont be afraid, you are.
So the people who come to Me, and you have seen some people who come to Me
are victims of superego conditioning. And these are the peopleactually at this
stage only, you can really discriminate between the two types: one who are very
aggressive, the other who are absolutely we should say subordinated,
frightened.

These people when they come to Me, I have seen, they go on crying and
weeping, Mother you know this has happened that has happened, and I really
get tired talking to them. And there are so many of this kind that really you have
to pay attention to them as sahaja yogis because youll have to deal with them,
how to manage them and how to work it out. Now at that time if a sahaja yogi
says, now you go on saying hum, hum, hum, hum, a sahaja yogi, if he says
[that], then the vibrations will drive out his fear. Even if you are under any fear
and you are walking around and you feel that theres frightened, you just say
hum, hum, hum. Now with this saying the vibrations will clear out this side
very nicely. Apart from that, that is the way you can get help from the Divine by
saying hum.
Now there are many things about hum and kshum but as the time is you know,
so I do not want to go into great details about it. But I would say the mantra for
the right hand side is hum and for the left hand side is kshum.
The right hand side is the ego, which is real problem, you understand that! Is a
real colossal one you have to face them, I mean, [if] I say anything small here
and there I find the whole thing coming up onto my head like that. So what is
the solution for a colossal ego? Colossal ego can only be conquered by forgiving
others.
Those who have ego must learn, if they feel hurt they must say, forgive. Then
another person hurts them, say, forgive. And not only forgive but ask for
forgiveness. Both things should be done, more asking for forgiveness. You have
to ask for forgiveness if you have too much of ego. It is very important. Because
if you have too much of ego means what? That you have pampered it too much.
That means you have used it too much. You have dominated people and thats
why you have such a lot of ego. If you have such a lot of ego you must all the
time try to humble down in your heart.
Now in the heart resides the Spirit. The ego, too much of ego in a person, always
takes you away from that Spirit. Thats why it is said, Humble down in your
heart. The reason is, in the heart resides that part of yours which gets
completely obliterated or forgotten once you start pumping up your ego. But
ego has its limits, it ends up into stupidity and foolishness. You take any person
who is egoistical and whos blowing his own trumpet, you will immediately
know because hell be stupid, without understanding what hes doing, hell be
doing such stupid things that you will start wondering, especially children,

Whats the matter with this fellow? Seems quite funny! And then the
stupidity, you see, faces the person then he sees for himself, Oh God! how did
I become so stupid?
But stupidity comes to you because you forget the existence of God and your
relationship with the Whole. You think, I am on my own. Why should I not do
this? What is wrong in this, what is wrong in that? I should do these things. I
mean in this country the way people are fighting for things, I mean, you must,
anybody, I mean, those so-called developing countries cant understand: whats
this kind of a thing happening to these people? Because the other day My sonin-law Luv was reading an article that people are demanding now that a son-inlaw should be allowed to marry the mother-in-law (laughing) , and he just
couldnt understand how can people gather together and ask for such an absurd
thing like that. She is your mother. How can you say that way? I mean it is
something an impossibility for people, normal people to think like that, that a
son-in-law can marry the mother-in-law. And what is there to make a law about
it and to talk about it. Its a very dicult thing.
All kinds of stupid things we are doing in this country, which really makes
everybody roar with laughter. Is because of our Mr. Ego companionship.
It is not easy to understand how he befools us. It goes on befooling us all the
time and then we think whats wrong? An eighty-year-old man running after a
twenty-year-old girl. And the twenty-year-old girl befooling this eighty-year-old
man, supposed to be a statesman this, that and his statue is erected somewhere
there. How is it possible? It is only the ego makes you do all these nonsensical
and stupid things.
Once you are in Sahaja Yoga, you dont know how to control your laughter
sometimes, the way people are foolish, extremely foolish. And this is what it is;
it ends up in stupidity absolute stupidity. I mean even if you want to write a
novel you wont get such beautiful characters as you could around you, when
you listen to them. And youre shocked, Oh God whats this going on! And
very embarrassing too, extremely embarrassing. And they become so foolish
with their ego that one cannot understand how thinking man, because by
thinking you get your ego, becomes foolish.
There is no wisdom in a person whose ego is completely developed like that. If
somebody has an ego like that there is no wisdom in him. You can see that he

does not know what is wisdom. He behaves in such an immature way. He may
be an elderly man, great grandfather of somebody but as soon as he opens his
mouth you are shocked at him. You think from where this joker has come? The
maturity is completely lacking.
The other day somebody told Me that, Mother how is it our parents are so
stupid and we are searching God? And the elderly people are so foolish and we
are searching God? And then I said, No, maybe because of war the parents are
disturbed, you see. Most of the parents were disturbed during war and they
said, Majority of them are like this. And the younger people are searching God
and much wiser and we dont know how to compromise with them because they
are not searching God. Why is it they are not searching God and we are
searching God? And if there are some searching, they are very few. Now I said
this may be due to war but somebody said, Then what about America? You see,
in America the people didnt face war so much, the stupidity that they have is
sometimes surprising. That is the same thing as I said, is the development of
ego in a human being.
Now ego is the thing that makes you think about everything. For example, now
we have to, say go from here to Birmingham, alright. So we think now, how will
I go? Simple way is that Ill take a train or Ill take a car and go away. If theres
no reservation needed I will just jump into the train or go by the car. If the car is
available Ill go by car or by train finished! What is there to think about? But
No! Then we must plan it out, I have programmed! Now, I have to go! You go to
the station and find the train is not there because there was some accident so
the train is not moving. So youre absolutely upset because you think that The
train has gone now what to do.? In that upsetting you do not even remember
that you have a car and you have to go by the car now. That whole thing upsets
you because you had plans to go by train and you had planned everything, now
you cannot reach there and what will happen? Now you are sitting here and
worrying about it. As a person who is spontaneous what will he do? Alright
depends on, I may go by train or by car whatever I feel like at that time. Hes
sitting tight. So he goes to the train, sees if the train is there. If it is, nicely
theres a space available, he gets into it. If the train is not available, alright, he
comes home takes his car and goes away.
So now you have informed the people that you must meet at such and such a
place. Thats also is there, you see. So those people are running up, down there
and they will be there at the station. Now whats the matter? Even if theyre at

the station you can meet them at the station. You go by train and you can meet
them. What is there to be that much upset about it? You see you can always
contact them. But the way we get upset we have spoiled the complete program
of going to Birmingham, which is a very beautiful program that we have got. We
have to meet new people, we have to meet many people, we have to enjoy
ourselves. Thats all finished! Because we had planned something and it did not
work out, we are finished!
All these things make us a miserable person. And we are so miserable and so
grudging and so boring that those who are next to you just get fed up with it and
they say, Now shut up! If you are not going to Birmingham, if you are not going
dont go. But dont eat my head now! is a common experience of many. Its this
Mr. Ego hes so, he doesnt want you to be happy. He doesnt want you to be
relaxed. He all the time gives you ideas and tells you, Do this and do that and
you must get it done and this is to be done. You had better inform that person,
be meticulous about it, and it will go to such details that anything fails you are
finished because your nerves are already finished and shattered. Anything,
even a drop of inconvenience comes into you or even a feather of disturbance is
there, you are finished. And so everybody is rattling, We have tensions. We
have problems. Why?
What is the advantage of doing all these things? No advantage you know that.
But then why do you do it? Because you have a big ego, it wont allow you to rest.
Whatever you may try it wont. So what is the solution of that? Morning till
evening ask for forgiveness from God. Pull your ears from both the sides and
say, Oh God, forgive me. Oh God, forgive me. And, oh God forgive me, so this
balloon of ego goes down a little.
Remember Him morning, evening, every time. Remembering Christ brings
down your ego very much. He did everything that was possible that you should
not develop your ego. Everything that was possible. He was born as an ordinary
carpenters son, lived in the most ordinary conditions, kept Himself behind the
whole scene. He could have been born as a Roman Emperor. He could have
been anybody there. But no He was born Himself. You know that He took his
birth in a place where even ordinary people do not take their births. But, there
also the light was there. Wherever He was born there was light and joy.
And this is the thing we have to know, that we have lost the joy because we have
forgotten God Almighty. When we forget Him, that He is love and He is joy,

naturally joy is also forgotten. And then we see people are not at all happy; they
have auence, they have money, they have everything, but still they are not
happy. All the time they are in such a mess that you dont know how to talk to
them. If you say this word theyll be angry, if you say that word theyll be angry.
They are not at all normal human beings, they are sick people. Sick with their
ego.
Is a very simple thing is to ask for forgiveness, but how many times do we do
that? Not even once a day, not even once a month, not even once a year. Even on
a Christmas day if we could say, Forgive us Oh Lord for whatever we have done
so far. It will work out. But that day we must champagne to forgive Him more.
So we must have gossips and we must have all the arrogant things by the time it
is the end of Christmas.
This ego, yellow side one, is the one that presses your superego too much. It
does. It presses it so much sometimes that a person forgets that others are hurt
by what they talk. On the contrary they devise methods how to say things which
are cutting, which are hurting, which are painful to others. They say such
things, I mean all the time if you see, a person say from a village if he comes and
sees hell think, are they quarreling, what are they doing? I mean the whole
discussion, even in the parliament, I was surprised the way they talked to each
other, no bull will treat another bull that way, you see. Even a dog normally does
not bark at another dog. No animal in the world all the time is barking at its
fellow man. No animal in the whole world I can tell you this much. Only the
human beings if two people are there all the time they are going, ha ha ha ha
all the time, that way. How is it possible? His ego and her ego or maybe both his
ego are dashing at each other. And there is a kind of a funny type of feeling that
Oh I have mastered the thing, I have got the thing, I have got the point. I have
proved the point. But in that I have lost everything that was so beautiful and so
much joy giving within me.
Actually a sensible person would recede from the place where two people are
having an argument.
Argument is a sign of tomfoolery. I havent seen any argument coming to any
end whatsoever. If it is then it is alright, but it never does come. Because, if say,
you ask Me questions I answer you, alright. If you do not like the answer give it
up. But if you argue with Me still and I argue with you where will you end?

Argument is not going to lead you to any knowledge but a very terrible ego
developing into you.
The whole modern concept is ego-oriented. All western countries are egoorientated. They want to develop your ego and pamper it. There are so many
other ways by which they do. Why Im talking more about it [is] because we are
all supposed to be western people and auent people you see. Supposed to be
very wise and leading or misleading, I dont know, the developing countries. So
we have to understand ourselves where are we as far as our understanding of
things are concerned.
How ego is pampered within us is by a large-scale methods. They work on your
ego throughout to have all these so-called enterprises. For example to a woman
theyll say, Oh you must have a waist like this and you must have a face like this
and you must have For a man, You must this kind of a body. You should be
Mr. Universe or you should be something, so the man starts working on it,
immediately. You must. There so many people I have seen running on the roads
in this cold, I dont understand. Like mad, you know, and some of them are
Members of Parliament! The whole night they keep awake and the whole day
they are running about. I say what are you doing? What is the need to do this?
To keep good health you must do it. To keep good health dont work like mad,
be a sensible and a wise person. Wisdom is to be sought to keep good health, to
be alright and not this kind of mad ego-orientated things.
So then, the one way is to excite your ego about your physique. Then there is ego
about, you must have a big car. You see, people try to show o their possessions.
You have a big car, then theyre going about. I mean they really look, to Me, like
jokers. Thats all they are. I mean, car I can understand is a convenience and a
good quality car, if somebody can aord, should have it, because it is a
headache to have a bad car. So its alright. But by having a car you become
something great. You may not have food in the house but you must have a very
good car to go about. And all these ideas come. Then they will advertise, you
see, This will be a very good car for you. What is it for you? It is nothing but to
pamper your ego. All these advertisements are nothing but by which your ego is
pampered. All these things they are created.
Now in America, if you go, every handle has to be dierent, every thing has to
be dierent. Why so much dierence in everything? Why do you want to have
everything so dierent? Is it some aesthetics, you think in that? It is none of the

aesthetics but is just to pamper your ego. Even the so-called art connoisseurs
are nothing but ego-pamperers. Your stamp collections, this, that all this is
nothing but ego pampering. And what a waste of time, you just think about it.
This ego thing comes into us because we are, first of all, as I said, that, in the
West, the living was very dicult, they had to fight the nature. And when you
have to fight the nature you have to develop your ego to fight it. Or actually,
when you are fighting the nature, the ego develops within you. And then, once
that momentum has started in you, it is very dicult to bring it down. It is such
a terrible disease that people have taken it for granted that thats a part of their
lives.
You are not your ego. You are not. When I say that you must surrender yourself
to God they say Mother why should we surrender? Yourself means that ego
with which you are identified. I dont say that you surrender your wisdom. Or I
can say: surrender your ego to your wisdom.
But it is so dicult to give it up, because we have learnt to live with it, identified
with it. We just cannot think of life without our ego, we just cannot. And it is
gone to such an extent that we dont even realise how far we have gone in
cruelty. Like, I like this kind, I like that kind. You go to somebodys house and
you say like this: is indecent to talk like that. It is vulgar to express, I like
Who are you? Are you God? I want this. I want that. I am very particular about
this. I am very Who are you? Just ask yourself a question, Who am I? I am the
Spirit. I am that eternal being. Have I become that?
On the contrary we are hurting everybodys Spirit by our ego. Every moment,
when we talk to others, we are hurting them. Actually people have lost faith in
God, because those who are in charge of God are so arrogant and so egoistical
that it has become impossible for anybody to think of God, which is beyond
your ego. Youll be surprised, ego is absolutely superficial like a bubble. It is just
like a balloon, which can burst just like that! And it should go. It should go so
that you should rise. It should disappear so that your attention rises in your
Spirit and that you see the whole world as a part of that Spirit that you are. This
is the boundary, which you have to cross and for that we have to take help from
Christ.
Christ crucified himself. Why? Because what did He do? Did He loot people?
Today you have thousands of these thugs coming here and looting you: nobody

crucifies them. What did He do? He just challenged the ego of these Romans
and of these Jews, those who were angry with Him, and thats why He was
crucified.
And we have to crucify our ego now through His cross, otherwise we are going to
do the same again to ourselves that, in our own being, we crucify our Christ by
our ego. It is a very symbolic death of Christ. His birth in the most humble
place, in a very humble place. He is born in the optic thalamus, you can say: is
the place where there brain, all activities coming and, all the, all sorts of
problems there, facing you, and there He lives. And you have to just awaken
Him there so that your ego is crucified once for all.
But I dont say, You fight your ego, because it is not that important to fight.
You are fighting with your shadow. You have shadow, which is called as ego:
Which is not to be fought and to waste your energy on him. Theres no need to
fight him. Only thing [is], if you stand in the centre of the light you dont see
any shadow. It is so simple as that. If you stand in the centre of light that is
Christ, you dont see any shadow anywhere. But when I say this I may sound like
other people who give sermons, Stand in the shadow of Christ or Stand in
the light of Christ. Now what does that mean? Where is that light, where is that
place where you should stand? And that place is here in the centre of your optic
thalamus where there is no thought. You have to stand in thoughtless
awareness.
Many people who have had a problem with Agya, many people who have
come(interruption in talk)thoughts will stop and they will be beyond
thought. And this a very, very important chakra for sahaja yogis because when
the Kundalini rises above, above the Agya chakra immediately there is no
thought. You do not get any thoughts from ego or superego. But there is a
wobbling in the Agya because of your imbalanced ways. And the imbalanced
ways are, that sometimes you are with ego or with superego.
This has happened to our people in the West because we have had so much of
ego [that] we got really tired of it. We got frightened with it. Then we started
taking to drugs and things to increase our superego. But by doing that, what we
are doing is pushing by one end and bringing by another end and thats how we
are wobbling our ego and superego, by which we are not helping ourselves at all.

So what one has to do is to rise within oneself up to the point of Agya and try to
steady your Agya.
There are many people have asked Me one question: How to steady the Agya?
Agya is placed at the crossing point of our nerves and also optic thalamus. Now,
so it is said that, if you have wobbling eyes, youll have a wobbling Agya. You
have to steady your eyes, you have to soothe them. Now it is very, very out of
date, ancient, old and all sorts of names that you call it, to a thing like that, but
you must steady your eyes and steady them in such a way that it is very
soothing for the eyes. [That] which is the most soothing thing for the eyes is the
green grass. If you could see the green grass with your eyes, means you walk
with your eyes on the ground, your eyes will be soothed, your Agya will be
alright.
Thats why Christ said that, I tell you about the adulterous eyes. He talked
about adulterous eyes. The eyes with which you do adultery. Is a very common
thing these days. Every woman, a man must see; every man, a woman must see.
As if it is the most important job, if you have not seen one woman you are
finished! I mean this is being modern. But I am an old fashioned lady, and, as at
the time of Christ, He said, You should not have adulterous eyes. And the ones
who have adulterous eyes are, no more than any other, but our Western
Christians, who all the time, even in the church, even when theyre giving
sermons, their eyes are moving with adultery.
These eyes have to be very, very pure, very, very deep and very, very loving
when you want to have your Agya alright, because you receive through your
eyes. Say, if you have closed your eyes, you do not put your attention to
anything because your eyes are closed, you are not adding more thoughts to
yourself. But if your eyes are open you are adding much more thoughts because
everywhere the eyes go, the attention goes, and you see things and create
thoughts and put in them. So your attention which has to go to the Spirit, which
has to go to God, which has to shine through the window of Divine: this
beautiful thing is ruined by the way we use our eyes and we do not respect it.
Theres nothing so pure and beautiful as the grass on the ground or the ground
itself, which takes our feet, which supports us, which looks after us, enriches us.
We should put our eyes on the Mother Earth instead of looking at every person.

But from Sahaja Yoga point of view, now many of you know what happens to
your eyes when you look at somebody: maybe an entity might enter your eyes.
And it is, youll be amazed, that it is the play of the entity what we call this socalled flirting is. I have talked about it, before also, and people didnt like it
when I told them about it, but I have seen actual entities entering from eyes to
eyes. I have seen very simple people who come down to such places, say in a
party. In a party, people are just exchanging entities from one eye to another.
Once it goes to another person, he puts his entity into another person, and that
goes into another person. All the time your attention is diverted and you feel it
is attracted towards something, you do not know why it is attracted.
Now the certain symbols are also made like that. To add up to the problems, you
see, all the society is working at it that you should appear in such a way that
every man should look at you, every woman should look at you. Why? What is
the use? Supposing I look at you what do I get? What do I get by looking at a
person? What is the advantage? Just looking at a person? We are wasting such a
lot of energy for what?
In the same way if you are walking on the roads, on, say, some, we are seeing
some beautiful things, alright. If you have to buy something, alright go ahead,
see those things, whatever you have to select is alright. But all the time just
because your eyes are such, you are just doing it and you do not know the
reason why you are doing like this, all the time why your eyes are wobbling. And
that is a sure and certain sign for a person to become mad. Absolutely, thats a
sure and certain sign is, when a person is mad how do you make it out that a
person is lunatic? If you see his eyes the iris in the eyes are all the time
wobbling, they cannot keep it steady. Or [if] they are sick theyre also, you can
see that these eyes are all the time wobbling, there is no steadiness.
Not only this but you have seen those people who have come in the Sahaja Yoga
when they close their eyes they find their eyes are flickering. Their eyelids are
flickering. That means theres some sort of a disturbance in the Kundalini
rising. Whole tension if you call it as hundred then at least 80% of it comes
through our eyes. Then how important it is to protect our eyes from all kind of
useless activities we are doing.
Christ Christs life shows so many aspects of how to respect others. But one of
them which has been very much misused throughout is that of the prostitute.
He saved the prostitute, He saved her no doubt. But you spoil the prostitutes. A

good woman you make her into prostitutes. You give her ideas by which she
becomes a prostitute. A good hussif (housewife) is turned into a prostitute by an
egoistical man. Young small girls who are virgins are being destroyed by your
dirty glances. Do you realise this? That you are doing just the opposite what
Christ had done? And you say that He saved, Christ, so even if we are prostitutes
Hell save us. But why be prostitutes? This is such a stupid style of thinking.
That we should become prostitutes so that Christ will save us.
One has to think about all these things in the proper light of Sahaja Yoga. Unless
and until you are realised, My talk is just useless for you. But once you are
realised, you will know that, if you glance at someone, you might suddenly get a
headache at the back, you might feel a dart has gone into your head or
something has happened, you might feel that youre blinding with somebodys
face and you will get all kinds of experiences by which you will know how
important are your eyes.
All your nervousness and everything can be cured if you have pure eyes. But it is
such a vicious circle that, through your eyes, you gather all the bad, and is
accumulated in the Agya and you have to clear the Agya to make the eyes clear.
Its a vicious circle. But it can start at a point as I said, we have to ask for
forgiveness. Secondly we have to bring Christ in our Agya chakra. Thirdly we
have to give up all drugs and all intoxicants and all smoking.
That happens automatically when you are a sahaja yogi, it will work out. But
eyes express the whole of your being, your brain, your body, your limbs
everything. And if your Agya is alright then your eyes are perfectly alright. They
emit nothing but love wherever they glance. Only with a glance of your eyes you
can raise the Kundalini. Only with the glance of your eyes you can cure people.
Only with your glance you can bring joy into the destroyed and the ruined
people.
So these eyes which you see are the windows of your being, of your heart. When
the Spirit is expressed through your eyes, you must have noticed yourself that,
when the Kundalini rises then the eyes become dilated. And a realised soul has
got black eyes because they have these eyes are dilated. At least when I see them
they are all dilated black eyes. Apart from that, a realised soul can be made out
by his eyes which are sparkling, theres a sparkle like diamonds; they sparkle all
the time and you can make out from the eyes that this person is a realised soul.
Theres a tremendous dierence between a non-realised souls eyes and the

realised souls eyes. So you can imagine how your Spirit sees through your eyes,
but if the eyes are not pure It doesnt stay there long. So if we have to
understand Christ, physically, we have to respect our eyes, mentally, we have to
give up all that is impure in our mind.
Now, so we come to the impurities of the mind: And the impurities of mind are,
I mean, there are so many poisons, you know, about. I mean there are books and
books written about the poisons. And the psychologists are supposed to take out
all your poisons. I dont know if they can do it at all. But they have the worst
Agya. All these psychologists have the worst Agya and I dont think they are
capable of really giving any relief to people who are suering mentally. Mental
suerings are of two types. Say the same thing is that one isvibrations are so
muchOne type of mental troubles are where people oppress you very much,
you see, you go on bearing the cross! Now this is a very wrong idea people have
about Christ. Bearing the cross doesnt mean that, anybody who tries to
oppress, you should go on taking the enslavement upon yourself. Youre not to
enslave to anyone whatsoever. Anybody who tries to make a slave out of you,
you should deny it absolutely! You should say hum, I am, Who are you to
dominate me? Anyone whether you are of a black skin, or a red skin or a yellow
skin, nobody has right to dominate anyone in this whole world, and if anybody
is doing it, Oh what to do now, after all you see we are poor people, or we are
like this or hes supporting, and all that: then they are running away from their
duty towards themselves. Such people cannot get Realisation. Slaves are not
going to become kings.
So the slavery that is supposed to be confused with bearing the cross is another
confusion of modern times, you see. We have to rise in our self-respect and we
have to understand that no one in this world has a right to dominate us.
But then what is bearing of the cross is? First of all the people of His level never
suer. Its just a joke going on. Its a leela, its a play going on for them. They
never suer, and even if they so-called act as suering, they just do it because
they want to do it. They are not helpless people, they are not slaves. And those
who think that by bearing it up and by suering it we are becoming Christians,
they should know they are psychological cases. And if they are crying and
weeping and all the time saying, What to do, you see, I am in love and my lover
tortures me. You are neither in love neither you have a lover. It is a kind of a
psychological clubbing. That he is a dominating man and you like his
domination, thats why you are together, is a simple fact.

So every human being has his own self-respect. And he must respect his self
that is the Spirit within him. And nothing should dominate it. Whether you
belong to this country or that country, or this ism or that ism. All this will break
down. Under the rule of God nobody has the right to dominate anybodys Spirit.
But when you are given freedom, you go to the other side that is Mr. Ego. You do
not know how to use your freedom, so you try to dominate others. Your freedom
is [making] everybodys freedom is in danger. You are on top of everyone, and
torturing everybodys souls. And you are dominating by land and by properties
or by possessions. So either this way or that way, mentally if you are of this
category or that category, you are against yourself.
Just be in the centre and see for yourself. Just be looking at it. Are you emitting
love towards another person? If you are a slave, how can you love? You cannot. If
you are free and abandoned, how can you love? Love has its own bondages,
very sweet and beautiful. You have to live with them. You enjoy those bondages.
For a little child will come to your house and he will spoil your house, no doubt,
and that he should do, and you should enjoy that spoiling. Then your freedom,
if it is challenged by a little childs crying, then you are not wise people. This is
abandonment! Or I would say it is loneliness, it is cutting out from the
Primordial, from the Big One, from the large one that you are: is not to be able to
tolerate the freedom of others. A child has no freedom to cry in the house? What
sort of freedom you conceive of. A mother has no right to say something she
wants to say about her child? Which is her duty to tell him what is right and
wrong. If the son does not have [the] right to eat whatever he likes in his own
mothers family then what sort of freedom do you have? Its such a confusion of
things.
So this kind of freedom is just the opposite and extreme of enslavement. But in
the centre is love where you are bound by everyone. I am bound by My children;
yes, I am, I am proud of them. They bound Me and I bound them too. Its a
mutual bounding which we enjoy among ourselves. There is such a give and
take when there is such a bondage of love. But do we understand the
importance of bondage of love? At the slightest pretext we break it. Say a wife
says, I would like to go out today. The husband has said Why? I am very tired
dont you understand? Or if the husband says, I feel like eating something, or
some particular thing, he says pancake or something, a small thing. Oh I am
very tired every time you are demand If she could just think [that], by making
that little thing, he would be so very happy. She should be dying to know what
he wants. And he should be dying to do what she wants. And then enjoy each

others company or you are wasting all your properties that you have as human
beings.
You dont know how much you are wasting from each other. Every moment is
filled with such beautiful bondages, where exchanges are there. What have you
gained? The way you are fighting, the way you are going about: what have you
gained let me see?
When you die you have to announce in the paper that XYZ is dead and you
find there is nobody. And you have even to pay for people to visit you when you
die. This is the case today. Such dryness, such emptiness, such loneliness exists.
What have you achieved through this?
So this bondage we have to [have]. And there is no question of sacrifice you see,
the way we must sacrifice for the family. What are you sacrificing? I mean if you
pay for your family you get the joy out of it, thats why you do it. If you have to
lead a nice good life you are not sacrificing anything but you are gaining by that,
leading a good life. If your wife says, Dont go to the pub, and if you do not go
there, then you should not say, She is an orthodox, old fashioned this that, that
and that and that. But instead you should thank you stars that, in this modern
times also that, there is somebody whos telling you the truth. Because the
whole edifice has come up, do you mean to say that truth should not be told? All
this is falsehood in which you are living, and if you have to be happy come
down to Reality.
Friends, also same thing: With the friends what sort of relations do we have with
our friends? What do we expect from them? Sending them a Christmas card and
then if they dont send, feeling bad about it. There are no deeper bondages, we
have not lived with them. If you allow our self to be bound by them, they will be
bound by us. You better try this. Try to be bound by them, dont be afraid of
anybody else. Just try to be bound by others and youll be amazed how much
they will be giving you. I am a living example of this. I can tell you, I am a living
example of this; I am bound by all of you. If somebody says, Mother when are
you going to leave us? No I cannot. I cannot. I am just bound by you. I just do
not want to leave because I love you very much. How can I leave you? Its
impossible for Me. So then, what do I gain out of this life? Every thing that
is in this world!

What do you want Me to get? I cannot even count what I can get out of it.
Immeasurable ocean. I become an ocean Myself. Break your ideas about your
own personal freedom and liberation, [what you are doing] is liberating your
intelligence, you are liberating your own wisdom. And the sweetness and the
beauty which is never perishable, whether you are old or young. That is going to
be your own.
But these poisons that are being built outside and inside you, please throw them
away. These are mental poisons. Through Agya you can take them out. You see,
this is an opening also through which many things go out. Try to work it out.
Look at the tree with love and youll find that the tree itself is giving you the joy
of its creation. Because youll become thoughtless. And the Creator who has
made that beautiful tree will be pouring all that joy which is stored into it. Every
human being is a store of joy, unlimited! I assure you, believe Me. And dont
waste them because somebody is not properly dressed, or hes not according to
the way you want him to be: which you learnt in your public school! Every
doorstep, everywhere there is beauty lying, do not miss it. But if you have a
possessiveness about it, an adultery about it, then you can never enjoy them,
you can never enjoy all that beauty, all that store, all that wealth that is in every
human being: every moment it is bubbling.
For Agya its a good thing, Christmas is coming. And at the time that, when I
have to wish you a Happy Christmas, that, at this occasion, I am speaking about
Agya chakra in which, what I said is, Agya is: one must know what to order and
how to obey, obey the Divine, obey your elders, obey your Self and not your ego
and then you can order also others; not only human beings, but you can even
order The Sun and The Moon and all the winds and everything in the world.
Everything you can control, everything with this Agya. You try one thing. If you
know somebody is going to do something wrong, just take his name and put it
to Agya: Hell not do it. Try it! This is a trick Im telling about for those who are
realized souls not for those who are not yet realized. But those who are realized
can try. If the other person is doing something wrong you can try your Agya.
Anything you order on your Agya will be respected but your Agya must have
Christ there. Because you have The Great Support awakened within you, which
does not exist [only] here, but into every mans head. It is all pervading, into all
small atoms and molecules, it is everywhere into The Sun and any place you go.
It is there.

So try to develop your Agya, that is the mastery of your self. Those who have a
good Agya can master anything. And understand that the idea about mastering
worldly things and mastering human beings and mastering this and some of
them are mastering in, say, other crafts and things, best thing is to master your
Agya! And you really become the master of yourself by which you can master
many things.
And today on this great day when Im wishing you a Happy Christmas, I wish
you to have the most powerful Agya, that people, when they see your forehead
should know that Christ is reborn again with in you.
May God bless you!
H.H. Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi