our original "question" was well worded and seemed to contain within it the answers to the questions you

were asking.
To start some discussion, Jeffrey said many times that the South Node of Pluto in Cap related back to the time period when the
transition from matriarchy to patriarchy was already underway, and thus all Souls on Earth today have a natural connection to
those times, or at least the energies of those times, even if they were not in human form on Earth at that time.
Something interesting is that in 2018 transiting Pluto will be conjunct its own south node of Pluto. We could consider what that
means in terms of opening up the current version of the lessons from those times.
Keeping in mind Cancer/Cap relate to gender role assignment, and the upcoming period we are entering is associated with the
beginning of the return of the Goddess. All that will be backdrop to the solar return charts you referred to.

Clearly the male-

dominated present orientation is leading to the environmental devastation of the planet. Uranus enters Taurus in 2018/2019, and
survival will necessitate radical change. Also, here in USA, we are having a US Pluto return in 2021/2022 at 27 Cap. Cap squares
Libra (extremes) and we will have pushed everything to the maximum extremes, being forced to change from no other options
remaining.I don't understand WHY the Pluto paradigm is what is it. In other words:
If someone has Aries on the 8th house cusp, Scorpio on the 3rd with a bunch of planets in Scorpio, and Pluto in the 1st house. Why
do we only explore Pluto and nodes as a basis and context for understanding all the other signatures. While there is a clear
difference between a sign, planet and a house- don't both Scorpio and the 8th house contain the same symbology and meaning as
Pluto?
Perhaps it is because:
1. the sign scorpio itself is ruled by Pluto- so it is neccesary to understand Pluto in order to understand the evolutionary intentions
implied by the sign scorpio.
2. each house itself is ruled by a particular planet, and thus that planet needs to be analyzed in order to understand the activities of
that house. And of course every planet can only be understood in the context of Pluto and the nodes...
For example: in the above chart- Aries is on the 8th house- so that does in fact indicate something about the soul's evoltuionary
intentions proir to this life, does it not? However, it is ruled by a planet- Mars. And Mars in and of itself, paves the way for a soul's
realization. Just the fact that it is a planet- means we have to understand it for what it is. It simply brings us back to Pluto and the
nodes as a neccesary means to understand Mars, and thus all 8th house activity.
Did that make sense?The Zodiac, it's Houses and Signs, correlate to the total structure of consciousness in human form. The
planets within the Zodiac correlate to bringing that consciousness to life, and thus setting in motion consciousness itself. The
planets within the Zodiac are the unique structural nature of that consciousness from life to life. They are the gasoline within the
tank. This is why we start with Pluto, the Nodes, the location of their planetary rulers, and all the aspects to other planets that they
are making. This is the core and foundation upon which the Soul structure and its evolutionary background, and its evolutionary
development, is understood. Wherever the sign Scorpio, by house, is will contribute to this foundation because the Signs on the
Houses correlate to how consciousness is orientated to phenomenal reality. And that current life orientation to phenomenal reality
reflects the evolutionary needs of the Soul in this life. Planets that are in Scorpio, or the 8th House, correlate to the Souls
intention, in this life, to metamorphose the existing development and limitations implied in the archetypes of the planets
themselves.

The sign on the 8th

House is an archetype in which this same Soul intention to metamorphose the existing

development of that archetype within consciousness exists.

Rad
"If however a soul has Aries on the 8th with no planets in Aries- is it true to say that in this life, the intent for that soul is to
transform the pre-existing limitations and development from previous lives that are implied by natal Mars?"
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No. It would not be the natal Mars, but the S.Node of Mars by sign, house, and aspects to it. The current position, the
natal position, of Mars correlates to how to move forwards in this life in order to evolve beyond where the Soul left off
with the existing desires from past lifetimes. It is essential to remember that all desires emanate from the Soul. And
that the root of such desires to evolve, the ongoing evolutionary journey of the Soul, is of course all symbolized by the
natal position of Pluto, and it's polarity point. Mars, as an archetype, is the lower octave of Pluto that instinctually
acts out, acts upon, those desires emanating from the Soul itself.
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"And thus Aries on the 8th house- only in light of whatever Mars is doing- would indicate where a soul left off?"

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The S.Node of Mars would indicate where the desires emanating from the Soul was left off relative to it's desires to
evolve. Aries on the 8th would then symbolize the Soul's intention in this life to confront and evolve beyond those
existing limitations: of where those desires was left off. The current life Mars will then, for the entire life, correlate to
where and how this will be done, and the N.Node of Mars will correlate the new desires emanating from the Soul to
how and where the desires symbolized by the natal Mars will evolve themselves which are relative to the Pluto's natal
polarity point.
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RadDoesn't Mars in and of itself have pl implications?

2. When you say "the natal position of mars correlates to how to move forwards in
this life in order to evolve beyond where the soul left off with the existing desires
(pluto) from pl" does that really mean that one's natal mars has no past life
resonance?
3. does this mean we can only understand mars in relation to it's sn, which itself
can only be understood in relation to pluto- WHICH ITSELF can only be understood
in relation to the sn of pluto???
Do you have any meditation/guidance for how I can personally connect with this
these facts, beyond the mind. I feel as though anything could be true or false, and
I'd have no way of personally knowing one way or the other. Maybe more
guidance/insight for the breathing practice?
Thank you.

I was wondering why we don't look at the sn of Pluto first and read the south node
of the Moon as a vehicle for the sn of Pluto? I am beginning to grasp the trinityhowever,
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The Soul, again, has it's own unique identity as created by the Source,
or God. As such, it has it's own ego that creates an image in the Soul of
that unique identity. The awareness of that unique Soul identity is a
function of evolution itself which finally leads be being self aware, and
has the evolved capacity, at some point, to objectify itself. The S and N
Nodes of Pluto correlate to this ongoing evolutionary development of the
Soul from within itself. The natal position of the current life Pluto
simultaneously correlates to what the desires have been within the Soul
for it's own development, thus where it left off in those lives that have
lead to the current life, and the evolutionary intent for the current life for
it's evolution to proceed: the natural polarity point of that natal Pluto. The
S.Node of Pluto, by it's own house and sign location, aspects to it from
other planets, aspects to it's natural planetary ruler all correlates to
archetypes and dynamics that the Soul has used to develop itself, evolve
itself, relative the it's core desires for it's evolution that is symbolized in
the natal position of Pluto itself. The N.Node of Pluto correlates to how
and why the Soul evolves itself from within itself: what it needs to
continue in it's evolution. Other planets that aspect this N.Node are
archetypes that correlate to this ongoing evolution of the Soul within
itself.
In order for all these internal dynamics within the Soul itself that
correlate to it's own ongoing evolution it must project or externalize itself
through the creation of forms: the human form. This natural law or
principle is the same as of what we call the Source of All Things, or God,
projecting and externalizing itself in the form of what we call CREATION.
What we call God does this in order to know itself in all of these forms in
the totality of Creation. So too with the individual Soul. The Soul needs to

and why the Soul evolves itself from within itself: what it needs to
continue in it's evolution. Other planets that aspect this N.Node are
archetypes that correlate to this ongoing evolution of the Soul within
itself.
In order for all these internal dynamics within the Soul itself that
correlate to it's own ongoing evolution it must project or externalize itself
through the creation of forms: the human form. This natural law or
principle is the same as of what we call the Source of All Things, or God,
projecting and externalizing itself in the form of what we call CREATION.
What we call God does this in order to know itself in all of these forms in
the totality of Creation. So too with the individual Soul. The Soul needs to
project or externalize itself in order to know itself, to objectify itself.
So the Soul projects and externalizes itself form life to life in the form
of the lifetimes that it lives that are all finite. The Soul itself is infinite just
as God itself is infinite. Each finite life that the Soul projects from within
itself, just as God projects each individualized Soul from within itself,
reflects and symbolizes the core desires from within the Soul that reflect
it's own ongoing evolutionary desires to evolve. As a result of this
projection form life to life we then have the birth charts for each of those
lives that reflect the finite forms that the Soul creates in order to affect
it's ongoing evolution. In each of these finite forms that the Soul creates
it thus creates a consciousness that has it's own subjective self
awareness that we call the ego or 'I'. And of course that subjective ego ,
the egocentric structure, is a projection from the Soul itself in order to
know itself relative to the finite form it has created in each life that
reflects it's ongoing evolutionary needs and requirements.
The subjective 'I' or ego that is created in each life by the Soul of
course is the archetype of the Moon. The evolutionary journey of the Soul
through time is thus symbolized through all the different finite forms or
lives that it creates that are determined by it's evolutionary needs and
desires. And it is each of these finite lives that the Soul creates that the
birth chart correlates too. And in each of those lives the finite ego does
indeed 'die' , just as the body dies. Yet the memories of each life are
sustained and live on within the Soul itself. And it is these ongoing
evolutionary experiences from life to life that are the ongoing determinant
and cause for yet another life.
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"why does Pluto represent the soul's evolutionary desires from previous lives
whereas all the other planets, assuming they are not in aspect to any node (or
pluto) do not innately imply past lives?"
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Because Pluto correlates to the Soul itself, and within that, the natural
law of evolution. It correlates to what the desires of the Soul has been
that has lead to the current life, and the desires that correlate to it's
ongoing evolutionary needs. This is contained with Pluto, the Soul, itself.
All the other planets in a current life birth chart are thus created by the
Soul for it's ongoing evolutionary needs that are reflected in it's desires.
The current life birth planets do have their own N and S Nodes. It is the
S.Nodes of these planets that do correlate to the past life dynamics that
the Soul has created for itself that have lead to the current life, and the
position of whatever planet IN THIS LIFE that symbolizes the current
life's evolutionary needs.
The current life position brings the past forwards through it: the
S.Node coming through the current position of the planet itself. The
N.Node of the planet in turn correlates to the ongoing evolutionary
journey of the Soul as it continues to evolve through each of the
archetypes of all the planets. The cause of that evolution is the Soul, not
any of the other planets themselves. The natural polarity point of the
natal Pluto is the bottom line evolutionary intent for the Soul in each life.
It is the primary cause that causes the N.Nodes of all the other planets to
actualize according to that primary evolutionary intention. The natal

position of whatever planet IN THIS LIFE that symbolizes the current

life's evolutionary needs.
The current life position brings the past forwards through it: the
S.Node coming through the current position of the planet itself. The
N.Node of the planet in turn correlates to the ongoing evolutionary
journey of the Soul as it continues to evolve through each of the
archetypes of all the planets. The cause of that evolution is the Soul, not
any of the other planets themselves. The natural polarity point of the
natal Pluto is the bottom line evolutionary intent for the Soul in each life.
It is the primary cause that causes the N.Nodes of all the other planets to
actualize according to that primary evolutionary intention. The natal
planet, in the current life, birth chart, serves to integrate the past and the
future in each moment FOR THE ENTIRE LIFE.
Rad
K, so within the EA paradigm, in general how much "weight" should we put on the south and north nodes of the planets when
working with a chart?
Obviously we put a lot of weight (or emphasis) on the north and south nodes of the Moon.
How much then to give to the nodes of Pluto itself? and how much to give to all the rest of the planets?
If some planets are highlighted in the chart for various reasons e.g on an angle, part of a tight aspect pattern, or a moon node
ruler, or in aspect to Pluto etc, would that mean the nodes of these planets become more important in chart analysis?
thanks UpasikaPluto and it's Nodes, planetary rulers, aspects to these from other planets, correlate to the root
structure within any birth chart. And from that root all else, the S.N.Nodes of the Moon, their planetary rulers, aspects
to these points, are 'birthed' from that root. It's like a tree that has branches where the root produces the trunk of the
tree, and the trunk then produces branches with leaves. This core root and it's branches within the birth chart is
treated EQUALLY for it is the very structure of the chart itself. If we understand this root structure within the birth
chart and relate it to the natural law of cause and effect then we can understand that core structure within the birth
chart at once. It will, of itself, induce inductive logic. And from there we can then understand the origins and causes
of all the specific leaves manifesting from the branches, i.e. why is this Mars in Gemini squaring Mercury in Pisces.
Thanks for that foundation perspective, it clarifies the whole bottom line of the chart.
To clarify I understand correctly, this means then that ...
- Pluto (sign/house)
- Pluto's nodes (sign/house)
- Pluto's nodal rulers (sign/house)
- aspects from all of the above to other planets (and their signs/houses - and if more info is required, also their nodes)
... are the fundamental root of any chart.
From there, the the sign/house of the Moon's nodes, Moon's nodal rulers, and Pluto's polarity point are brought in. Then aspects
from all these to other planets (and their signs/houses). Also at this level a planet's nodes can be examined if more info was
required.
Then progression to examination of any other part of the chart that thus becomes implicated out of this.
(Realising of course that every part of the chart has a part in the whole person/event and so eventually needs to be included in a
totally complete analysis.)
Please correct me if I haven't got any or all of this right.
One question I have is: Pluto's polarity point shows the soul's current evolutionary intentions for this life (unless Pluto is conjunct
the Moon's N.Node in which case there is no polarity point for Pluto). So how does PPP differ to Pluto's N.Node in this regard?
And again thanks Rad for being so generous with your time and guidance.
Upasikaes, you have summarized it correctly.
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"So how does PPP differ to Pluto's N.Node in this regard?"

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The N.Node of Pluto reflects the ongoing evolutionary development of the Soul from within itself that is then
actualized through the creation, projection, externalization of itself via the finite form it creates in each life. This is
symbolized by the polarity point of Pluto in the current life birth chart. The Soul, from within itself, of course contains
all the previous identities, singular life/ finite forms, that it has ever lived. It also contains within itself all the
different possibilities, future life / finite forms, that could occur. That which can occur is dependent of what the Soul,
within itself, DESIRES. Those desires have been the prior life causes of what has already taken place. And in each of
those lives the Soul created the necessity of subjective egocentric identities, finite life forms, for the desires to be
actualized which of course has lead to yet more desires to evolve that have lead to yet another life. In each of these
lives the Soul, from within itself, has had a N.Node that has symbolized those ongoing evolutionary developmental
desires. And in each life those desires are then actualized by way of the polarity point of Pluto in each life, the
individual birth chart. It's like, from within the Soul itself, it says " I need or desire to evolve in the following way: it's
N.Node, and in order to do this I will actualize it like this: the polarity point of Pluto in the individual life that it
creates, in each life. "
The Nodes of Pluto stay in signs, i.e. Cancer/ Capricorn, or whatever signs, about 2,000 years. Most Souls of course
will have more than one life within a span of 2,000 years. So the core evolutionary desires from within the Soul exist
beyond the singularity of one finite life. In each of those singular lives the Soul continues to desire to evolve in this
core archetypal way that is then actualized through each of the specific singular/ finite lives that it lives. And it each
of those singular lives that core evolutionary intent within the Soul is actualized by the polarity point of Pluto in those
lives: the birth chart that that symbolizes this entire process.
Let's make a simple example of these dynamics. Let's say person x has in their current birth chart a 9th House
Pluto in Leo, the S.Node of Pluto being in Capricorn in the 2nd, which is ruled by Saturn in Leo in the 9th. The N.Node
of Pluto would be in Cancer in the 8th, and Pluto's polarity point would be in Aquarius in the 3rd. The Pluto in the 9th
in Leo would correlate to a Soul that has desired to understand and actualize itself by way of understanding the
nature of the cosmos, and the Natural Laws of Creation. It has spent many, many lives in relative isolation, the S.Node
of Pluto in Capricorn in the 2nd, in order to inwardly contemplate that nature of Creation in order to realize by way of
that isolated contemplation the nature of these Natural Laws which thus become the very basis of the Soul's inner
relationship to itself: the 2nd House. This, in turn would constitute the Souls core sense of meaning for existence, of
that which held the core meaning for life itself.
The ruler of that S.Node is also in Leo in the 9th. This would restate the Soul actualizing these core desires within
the context of Nature, living and being within Nature in order to inwardly know all the Natural Laws that are
responsible for Creation, Leo, itself. In relation to the S.Node being in the 2nd these symbols put together correlate to
a natural loner who has realized what it has desired in essential isolation in this way.
Yet, in this way, the Soul has reached an evolutionary limit, and needs to continue to evolve. The Soul, from within
itself, realizes this which is then symbolized by it's N.Node being in Cancer in the 8th House: the desire and need to
jump out of the well of it's own isolation, and to then engage and help other Souls on their own evolutionary journey.
In so doing the Soul will then necessarily interact with other Souls and THEIR REALITIES: the interaction of the S and
N Nodes of Pluto where Capricorn correlates to the archetype of reality, the realities of Earth itself. In this interaction
with others it thus causes the Soul from within itself to confront it's own evolutionary limitations that then creates
the ongoing awareness of what it needs to continue to evolve itself. This confrontation can then cause the Soul to feel
insecure from within itself as it is required to evolve beyond where it was by way of it's own understandings of the
nature of reality on this Earth that are reflections of the Natural Laws of Creation. These confrontations are intended
so that the Soul can evolve beyond where it has already been.
In order for these core Soul intentions to evolve it then creates a singular or finite life in which the polarity point of
the natal Pluto is in Aquarius in the 3rd. This will manifest, in the context of the example we are using, by creating a
life in which the very opposite of where it has been: living alone in relative isolation within Nature. The Soul now will
create a life in which it will be totally involved with others who are living within the world, in their cities, wherever
whole groups of people exist: Aquarius in the 3rd. And, in this way, purposefully engage the realities of countless
others who have all kinds of ideas, opinions, points of vies, ideas, and philosophies from a to z, so to speak. And all of
this will then of course impact on the Soul's current state of understanding the nature of reality that it has already
realized in it's past. The Soul then has another choice to make: it can retreat back to where it has been in order to
remain secure from within itself, or make a choice to continue to grow from within itself due to the confrontations to

that existing reality through the diversity of ideas manifesting within these groups of people, other individuals.
If it makes the choice to proceed in this way it will then of course continue to evolve which reflects the intention of
Pluto's N.Node in Cancer in the 8th. That N.Node of Cancer of course will be ruled by the current life Moon, it's
egocentric structure created in the current life. So the underlying dynamics within the Soul that we have been
discussing will then be focused, like a lens in a movie projector that creates images on a screen, into a current life
identity, the 'I' of the current life. This is the natural law of how a Soul externalizes or projects itself from life to life
by creating an 'image' of itself that correlates to the entire 'movie' of that life.
I am trying to integrate this material about the nodes of Pluto in my understanding. I am not sure if it is correct to consider the
Pluto SN and its ruler as correlating to older chapters in the Souls journey, these older chapters coming through the past
symbolized by Pluto.
Lets say a Soul with Pluto in the 2nd House Virgo, Pluto SN in the 7th Capricorn, ruler Saturn in the 10th Taurus, trine Pluto and
trine Pluto SN. Pluto NN in Cancer in the 1st House, ruler the Moon in the 2nd House Virgo conjunct Pluto. With Pluto in the 2nd
House Virgo, the Soul has passed many lives in relative isolation and relating to himself in order to discover its own sense of value,
relating to himself in critical ways.
The SN of Pluto in the 7th would then indicate that the Soul had prior desires to have its sense of identity created through
relationships with others. Through patriarchal conditioning (Pluto SN in Capricorn), its patterns of relatedness to others (7th House)
become overly defined by responsibility and authority. Thus, this Soul attempted to have its sense of identity created through
relationships with others which were, then, defined by responsibility and by a sense of authority which was dependent on being
acknowledged by others.
With the planetary ruler of Pluto SN being Saturn in the 10th House Taurus, the Soul gravitated towards positions of relative social
authority. With this Saturn being trine to Pluto SN in the 7th Capricorn, and trine Pluto in the 2nd Virgo, not only the Souls
patterns of relatedness with others and sense of identity obtained through relationships (7th House, Cap), but also its own sense of
value (2nd House) were defined by dynamics of authority. The Soul would have desired to be acknowledged by its social role, and
would have also been increasingly relating to others being in authority positions within society. Its own sense of values would have
become dependent on social validation and/or by validation by other social authorities (the trine between Saturn and Pluto). This
would have created very fixed and narrow patterns of self identity in relationships to others and to himself. This would have also set
the scenario for the Souls downfall from any positions of social authority.
If the Pluto SN correlates to older chapters in the Souls evolution coming through the past symbolized by Pluto, it would be these
dynamics that created the conditions for the Souls need to go deeper within itself (2nd House Pluto in Virgo) to critically find out
from within what its real value and values were, regardless of validation by others and by society. The trine between Pluto and
Saturn (PSN ruler) would indicate also that in some lives the Soul was put by others in situations of confinement and isolation.
There would also be guilt because of the Souls prior submission to socially defined values and authorities and how this submission
defined its patterns of relationships, versus creating its own value associations.
Upon a large series of lifetimes in this condition, the Soul would now require to go out of isolation in order to confront others and
gain through confrontation an increasing awareness of what his values and resources are and how he can relate to others and serve
others in a new way, a way not be excessively dependent on others validation from consensus point of view.
The NN of Pluto in the 1st House Cancer would correlate to the Souls need to create a new series of experiences for himself, ie. not
dependent on relationships with others. The Pluto NN being in Cancer would correlate to the need of de-conditioning itself from
patriarchal set of values and approaches which had defined the Soul, through a search of meaning from within, by means of
emotional self-relatedness.
The ruler of Pluto NN being the Moon in the 2nd House Virgo would indicate that this new set of experiences and searches of
emotional nature would have the purpose for the Soul to go deeper into itself though further experiences of relative isolation and
withdrawal, in order to gain increasing self sufficiency and reformulate its self-image from within. Thus, the Soul would need to
keep confronting others in order to face its limitations in value associations (PPP in the 8th) thus creating new emotional
experiences (PNN in the 1st Cancer) leading to further isolation though, now intending to gain self reliance and deeper knowledge
of its value and resources, this fueling the purpose to keep on going toward others despite the feedback received. There would be a
theme of repetition and reviewing of the past life experiences of isolation, though, given the Moon rulership of the PNN, the need
would be to integrate this experiences in a new way, this allowing in the long run not to perpetuate this isolated condition but to
keep on seeking confrontation with a transformed self-image and greater self-reliance.
Is the above analysis correct? Your feedback is most desired and appreciated.
Thank you so much, and God Bless,

Gonzaloascinating! ... showing the cause of the PPP and the wider context for any charts bottom.line. Thanks a lot for that.
As it happens I have a friend who has almost the same signature as the one you used for your example, everything in the same
signs and houses (except Saturn is in Virgo not Leo).
And interestingly enough the Moon (Pluto N.Node in Cancer ruler) ... is back in the 9th! in Virgo (but not conj Pluto or Saturn).
Guess that's possibly a subtle version of keeping "one arm waving free" (but at a core Soul level) ?, reflecting a bit of residual
ambivalence (which would then manifest on an ego/personality level) about following through on their intention in this lifetime of
getting fully involved in discussions etc with others in urban/group situations, as indicated by the PPP (3rd house Aquarius). Would
that be right?
Seeing that subtle paradox in that chart, it then occurred to me that one of the things that's really useful about this wider
understanding of Pluto's evolutionary intentions in a chart, is how the intentions of the Soul (known from within itself) become
implemented in a natal chart as the PPP, via the Moon and it's nodes and their rulers.
And also how the Moon and it's nodes and their rulers relate back to Pluto's nodes and their rulers.
To try and show what I mean by that, I'll use another example - an actual chart with some interesting paradoxes - (and also see
how well I go !) ...
This chart has:
Pluto in Leo in 4th, Pluto's polarity point (PPP) in Aquarius in 10th
Pluto S.Node in Capricorn in 9th, ruler Saturn in Sag 8th (and conjuncting the Moon's N.Node there too)
Pluto N.Node in Cancer in 2nd, ruler Moon in Gem 2nd (and conjuncting the Moon's S.Node there too)
This would correlate to a Soul that has embarked on a new evolutionary cycle, desiring to actualise itself through the development
of internal security. In a nutshell this would be achieved by attaining emotional maturity, creatively establishing it's own
individuality through it's own efforts, and uniting the anima and animus within itself (Pluto Leo 4th). It would have done this in the
context of having spent many lives travelling in different lands, experiencing different cultures, and expanding it's understanding of
natural laws and nature itself (Pluto S.Node in 9th).
With Pluto S.Node ruler, Saturn, being in the 8th house in Sag, within each society that was lived in it would have been involved in
a "hands on" way. It would correlate to someone who would learn by getting deeply involved in situations with other people (8th).
For a Soul at consensus reality level, as an example, perhaps setting up business (Sat) of an entrepreneurial kind (Sag), or
becoming involved in the political or judicial structure of that society at a local or national government level. Alternatively, if the
Soul was at the individuated reality stage ... they may have formed close associations with powerful people, outsiders to society,
for the purposes of occult study (8th, Sag), operation of black markets (Sat, 8th) etc. If in the spiritual stage they may have joined
spiritual groups for experiments with alchemy, study of scriptures etc (Sat, Sag 8th).

As the Soul experienced the limits of itself it would have desired to evolve beyond them, symbolised by Pluto N.Node in Cancer in
2nd. This would represent a need to become less entangled in the affairs of any society and the individuals so involved, and a need
to stop travelling around and to settle down more, gravitating to the relative isolation of living in just one place in order to develop
a more personal self sufficiency and self reliance. To establish it's own set of values that made sense to just itself, instead of all the
time incorporating the needs of other people it had attached to, into its sense of what was important. Taking care of the needs of
its own self and immediate family members only.
In so doing external confrontations would occur as it withdrew from relationships of a societal and dependent nature, and internal
confrontations via the insecurity it felt in then not being able to draw upon others for resources, advantage and as symbols of
power ... a sense of loss of power and powerlessness would accompany the transition.
So ...stemming from these inner evolutionary desires and thus needs of the Soul, which are to move towards Cancer in 2nd house
experiences (Pluto N.Node) and in turn doing that via Gemini in 2nd house experiences (Pluto N.Node ruler), a new life would be
created to implement these core intentions, and in this case it is one where the PPP is in Aquarius in 10th.
And as an extension of that ... the Moon S.Node in Gem 2nd, and Moon N.Node in Sag 8th. However the Soul has also manifested
in this new life the Moon conjuncting the Moon S.Node, and Saturn conjuncting the Moon N.Node. Here's where the paradoxes lie:
the Soul's (Pluto's) nodal rulers, Saturn and Moon, are now each conjuncting one of the Moon's nodes in the new life !
With the Soul's (Pluto's) S.Node ruler in Sag in 8th, in theory the Soul has finished with that as a way of realising it's S.Node (Cap

in 9th) intentions and is desiring to move towards Cancer in 2nd shown by Pluto N.Node, via 2nd house Gemini experiences shown
by the placement of Pluto N.Node ruler, the Moon.
Where it's aiming for in it's new life form is to realise the Aquarius 10th house archetype shown by PPP in the chart of the new life.
And by doing this the Soul will be effecting it's evolutionary desire symbolised by Cancer in the 2nd house.
The life implied by PPP is one where the Soul will move again in society but in a different way to before. The intense, and possibly
heavy, involvements of the 8th house from past lives give way to the more open (Aqu) and contributory manner of the 10th .Thus
the person will be bringing everything they learnt (Sag), experienced (9th), and osmosed (8th) from past lives into a form (10th)
that can be used in a much larger and more objective (Aqu) way in society. In other words the test will be - can they put their
knowledge (Sag learning from past lives) to good use (10th) in this life in a way that benefits many people, not just themselves or
others they are intimately entangled with (Plu S.Node ruler and Moon N.Node Saturn- in 8th). Additionally they will be associating
with groups of others of like mind based on broad human interests, innovative explorations and networking (Aqu) rather than the
secretive and murky kinds of associations they may have involved themselves in the past (Plu S.Node ruler in 8th) and may still do
(Moon N.Node in 8th) . All the while, building on the Souls core singular evolutionary intention and progress to date (Pluto in 4th),
and a major part of its intentions for the future as well (Cancer in 2nd): actualising internal security.
This will be effected in the current life by a fair amount of reliving the past (paradox) as the Moon is conjunct the Moons S.Node in
Gem, and Saturn is conjunct the Moons N.Node in Sag.
The Moons S.Node indicates the lessons the Soul has been learning before as part of actualising internal security, and being in
Gemini this would have involved dynamics and the circumstances they created relating to, amongst other things, communications,
thinking, study and commerce (Mercury ruling the Moons S.Node). This indicates that the Souls previous intense involvements
from many lifetimes ago (Pluto S.Node ruler Saturn in 8th) had morphed into a lighter and less focussed way of relating to people
in recent past lives, and that the Soul has been learning how to relate to much more diverse, and perhaps more common elements
of society. This may have actually been a necessary preparatory step towards the future desire of withdrawing more from society
(Pluto N.Node in Cancer 2nd) in that it may have afforded the Soul more choice in those lives, which would have been helpful on
the way to coming closer to the self reliance and self sufficiency of the 2nd house. Also the Moons S.Node being in the 2nd house
shows that the Soul has in recent lives already started learning the lessons it needs to, indicated by the Plutos N.Node (2nd
house).
The Soul desires to move towards realisation of the Cancer in 2nd archetype (Pluto N.Node) with its ruler the Moon being
instrumental in this this is the Souls future. But with the Moon conjuncting the Moons S.Node in the current life this future
process is now partially brought forward, hastened, due to the fact that experiences related to the Moon will be relived or fruited in
some way (Moon conj Moons S.Node).
The Moons N.Node indicates the new way for the Soul to operate, new lessons to learn in this current (new) life that will help the
Soul realise the PPP in this life, i.e to actualise self determination, discipline, social responsibility and to establish their individuality
and authority within society. The lessons that will help the Soul achieve this will seem very familiar for this Soul, as they are shown
by the Moons N.Node in Sag in 8th which it has experienced before (Plu S.Node ruler territory) and thus will remember on a Soul
level.
Since Saturn is conjuncting the Moons N.Node and Saturn is also Plutos S.Node ruler, the Soul has done all of this before in
previous lives (as described above). Here again there will be a lot of reliving as a result, but being at the N.Node there will be the
chance to do the same things in new or better ways, to make different choices when faced with circumstances, situations and
dynamics that the Soul has experienced in (perhaps quite recent) past lives.
Obviously Jupiter (Moons N.Node in Sag ruler) will be a key factor in what these choices will be. As examples of the extremes of
the situation, if it was in the 4th or 2nd house it would strengthen the likelihood that the Soul would make choices in line with its
own core inner intentions (Pluto N.Node in Cancer in 2nd), whereas if it was in the 10th or the 9th house it may gravitate to old
ways (Pluto S.Node in Cap in 9th) of dealing with similar situations encountered freshly in the new current life.
So in summary, while this Soul is embarking on a new evolutionary cycle (Pluto in 4th) its new current life that it has manifested
is still intricately connected to relatively recent previous lives, and it will use material from those lives as part of its efforts to
further its evolutionary intentions.
By realising its PPP it will be establishing its own individuality on a much more tangible basis than previously (PPP 10th house is
more immediate than Pluto S.Node Cap), in a much more open way (PPP Aqu compared to Moons S.Node in 2nd , Pluto S.Node
ruler in 8th). This in turn will prepare the Soul to come closer to its future desire (Pluto N.Node in Cancer in 2nd) as it will have
completed a major involvement in society in a number of varying ways, and achieved a significant amount of understanding of

natural and metaphysical laws and principles. Thus it will be able to withdraw largely on its own terms which is a primary requisite
for realising the 2nd house archetype of self sufficiency & reliance.
During the current life the person may feel that their future and past are often intertwined, with a strong feeling of dj vu at
times. It may seem they are repeating things they feel they have finished with long ago, and even in the current life may restart
things that they had thought theyd put behind them long before - Souls (Plutos) nodal rulers conjunct this lifes (Moons) nodes.
By the end of this current life, the various kinds of involvement with people that this Soul will have had via its 8th (Pluto S.Node
ruler, Moon N.Node) and 4th (Pluto) houses, plus Gemini (Moon S.Node) and Moon (conjunct Moon S.Node) will have taught it
some very fundamental and also very varied things about people and relationships with them. This will be preparing it for a more
simple Cancer orientated involvement with people in the future (Pluto N.Node in Cancer).
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I dont know what youll make of that Rad (!), it came in a burst of inspiration, but I would really like to know if its any good. Its
pretty long winded and may not be appropriate. In a way I feel as if Im going way ahead of myself here, as I always felt I havent
really grasped working with just the Pluto house, and Moons nodes and rulers yet, let alone diving into things at this level. But Ive
done it now. If its off the mark Id really appreciate to know that.
orry for missing your questions about this paradigm, and the example you used to try to understand it. In the symbols you used it
would be more accurate to understand that this Soul, from within itself, has desired to positions of authority within a social context,
a society, a tribe, a group of people, in which the Soul was responsible for supplying the needs of that group of people because of
it's social position. This was reflecting the Soul's desire to be of service to a larger whole: Pluto in Virgo in relationship to it's
S.Node in the 7th in Capricorn, ruled by the Saturn in Taurus in the 10th. Combined with the desire to be of service to a larger
whole through the positions of social authority also reflects to Soul's desire to give to others what they have needed in order to
survive: S.Node in Capricorn in the 7th, ruled by Saturn in Taurus in the 10th.
The nature of the grand trine between his natal Pluto in Virgo in the 2nd, S.Node in the 7th, and Saturn in the 10th would mean
that the Soul desired from within itself to learn how to listen to others needs in such a way as to attune itself to those needs. In so
doing, the Soul then desired to give to others exactly what they needed in order to survive. Thus, the Soul would choose time
frames and places to incarnate in which this underlying theme of survival was the consensus state of reality of those times. In
actualizing itself in this way the Soul thus felt fulfilled and satisfied that it was able to help others based on their needs.
Over many lifetimes the Soul then began to feel inwardly empty: Pluto in Virgo which is the current life birth symbol for the
Soul. It has come to a point of evolutionary limitation in these prior desires, and the way that they manifested. Pluto in Virgo in the
2nd House. Emptiness, feeling empty, is the archetype of Virgo. With the N.Node of Pluto in Cancer in the 1st House the Soul is
desiring within itself to begin a brand new cycle of it's own evolutionary development that starts with accessing it's own emotional
needs to BE GIVEN TOO: The S.Node interacting with the N.Node of Pluto in this context. In essence, the Soul has emptied itself in
those lifetimes of giving to others in which survival of the whole group was on the line. It has reached a place of Soul exhaustion
because of: Pluto's S.Node in Capricorn compounded by it's ruler being in Taurus in the natural Capricorn house.
As a result the Soul is desiring personal renewal by beginning a brand new cycle in it's ongoing evolution: Pluto's N.Node in
Cancer in the 1st House. With Pluto in Virgo in the 2nd in relation to it's N.Node it would have begun the process of ISOLATING
itself from the overall environment in order to begin the process of inner renewal. In the current life it thus creates a egocentric
structure, the Moon in Virgo in the 2nd, in which this Soul need to withdraw, based on where it has been, is simultaneously
reflected in the Pluto in Virgo itself, where it had just left off previous to the current life, but remains to be a need of the Soul as
manifested through the current life egocentric structure of itself manifesting as the Moon in Virgo in that 2nd House.
This is where, when we begin to fill in the whole picture, to add the N and S Nodes of the Moon itself. The Soul, Pluto in Virgo in
this case, is in the 2nd which of course correlates to where the Soul has been, and why, and where it has left off just previous to
the current life. By establishing what has been going on within the Soul itself, Pluto and it's Nodes, their planetary rulers, the
S.Node of the Moon will then correlate to specific lifetimes and the egocentric structures that the Soul has created to actualize the
desires within it. The location of it's planetary ruler, aspects to it, aspects to the S.Node of the Moon, the location by House and
Sign, all fill in what these past life, finite, lives have been. And all of this, in turn, of course establishes the individual context in
which to understand the N.Node of Pluto by House and Sign, the natal position of Pluto, the current life Moon, and it's N.Node.
Given that context of the past it thus establishes the reasons that the Soul needs to isolate itself. It's as if the Soul in this
isolation will be rebuilding and renewing itself from within itself. It will be discovering new capacities and different dimensions of
itself in this way. It will be giving to itself in this way, and it will attract others who are natural givers because the Soul desires to
be given too based on where it has been. The prior context establishes this need from within the Soul, the interaction and evolution

of the N.S Nodes of Pluto.

These others will then be natural listeners who are able to evaluate what this Soul needs on a personal emotional basis in order
to renew itself. Instead of being the server to others which it has done for many lives, it will desire to be served in this way: Pluto
and the Moon being in Virgo in the 2nd. These others will also symbolize and reflect the specific life that the Soul is living by way of
the 2nd House Pluto's polarity point into Pisces in the 8th. That Pisces polarity point trines the N.Node of Pluto itself. This means
these types will be deeply and naturally psychological in nature. They will desire to penetrate to the core of themselves, as well as
the core of this Soul. As a result, they will know what this Soul needs emotionally and psychologically in order to evolve from where
they have been. The natural planetary ruler of that Pisces polarity point would be Neptune. And that would then be in Scorpio in
the 4th House of this chart. This reinforces the N.Node of Pluto being in Cancer, and the Soul's desire/ need to renew itself from
within via it's emotional body.
The Soul will orientate to activities that all have the intent of leading to personal Soul renewal, and discovery. Through natural
evolutionary progression, given this context, the Soul will begin to emerge from this purposeful cocoon and once again begin to find
new ways of integrating itself back into the world, the group, the tribe, with new roles that reflect it's own going desires to serve
and to give to others what they need.
Rad
he Pluto in Sagittarius in the 8th, the river of the Soul, has desired to understand the WHY'S of life itself, the causes
and effects of anything, human psychology in it's fullest dimensions, its' own psychology and the causes of it, and
Natural Laws of Creation itself, how people in general interpret the phenomena of life in all of its' forms and
dimensions, what motivates people and why, and the sexual realities and the reasons for those realities in human
nature, and so on. One the tributary streams that feeds this Soul river, with Jupiter in Scorpio in the 7th, would
correlate with the cultural anthropology of humans in diverse cultures, tribes, and societies that the Soul would
contemplate in order to understand the core desires as manifesting in the 8th House Pluto. This contemplation would
be fueled by reading a variety of materials, traveling to many places, and observing the diversity of peoples. The
S.Node being in Taurus, in the 1st, creates and egocentric structure in which the Soul keeps itself distant and
independent from people in general. This symbolism correlates to a banyan tree that remains rooted in one place for
thousands of years while the panorama of time passes it by. The banyan tree, the egocentric structure, thus is secure
within it's own inner isolation as it observes and learns by all that which passes it by. On a very selective basis the
Soul through it's 1st House Taurus egocentric structure would engage others in relationship, the tributary stream of
the Jupiter in Scorpio in the 7th relative to Pluto in Sagittarius in the 8th House, that were inwardly evaluated to be of
use by the Soul for it's evolutionary intentions: needs. In turn, this would set in motion very intense and deep
philosophical and psychological type discussions in which the core desires of the Soul were being met.
In your example this would then place the evolving egocentric structure, one of the core evolutionary intentions, in
the 7th House: N.Node in the 7th in Scorpio. This would then mean, that as a next step in the Soul's evolution, that it
now must learn how to jump out of it's cocoon of self isolation: S.Node in Taurus in the 1st. Rather than observing in
such isolation in the ways that it has before, it must now learn how to FULLY ENGAGE, emotionally and
psychologically, others. The Soul intends to learn how to be in relationships with others in general in this way, and
learn how to commit to being with a parter on a one to one basis. It is thus learning how to unite a core psychological
and emotional paradox, the core paradox manifesting from the Soul. And that is the paradox of needing total
independence and freedom relative to committing to others in general, and a partner specifically.
My own sense is that more and more people's eyes will open up to the insanity of the way things are right now. And what I mean
by that is, rather than it being just a kind of intellectual understanding, and then continuing on with the way things are, people will
choose to say no to it through the choices they make in their daily lives. They will do this because they will be ABLE to make those
choices because the alternative infrastructures will be more readily accessible. How severe the violence gets on the way, I don't
know. Also, I suspect more and more communities will empower themselves and I think this will have a huge impact over time.
Is hierarchy a Saturn archetype? My feeling is that the communities will begin to have an impact because this whole idea of
artificial hierarchy - class/wealth - based on insecurity, will begin to be seen for what it is -violence inducing.
One final comment: I read a book some time ago called Saharasia (by James DeMeo). It was DeMeo's doctoral thesis. He argues
that violence as we know it today originated with the formation of deserts on the earth around 4,000 BCE. Not much time, so I'll
have to be brief. The upshot is that the psychology of the human psyche, especially the male psyche changed in response to the
conditions of scarcity. This resulted in the cultures of violence that we now live with. Perhaps we now have the chance to heal
ourselves deeply in this regard.
These are just some of my thoughts.round year 375 a.D. Pluto SN moved again into Capricorn. Around year 600 Pluto NN moved

into Cancer. Thus, the nodes of Pluto have been in Capricorn/Cancer for most of the Pisces Age beginning on 100 a.D. At the time
when Jesus was crucified Neptune was in Capricorn. When the SN of Pluto moved into Capricorn, Neptune was in Pisces and Uranus
was in Virgo. One of the fundamental lessons Jesus came to teach was to worship God within, versus an external God. I think that
Jesus was crucified with the approval and/or request of the very same people in Jerusalem who had received him with acclaim five
days before. These people were dependent on the idea of an external savior, and an external authority because they were unable to
assume responsibility for their own actions. They needed to follow someone, though, they would not follow anybody beyond where
they already were. Thus, they went one step forward, and then two steps back. This search for an external father , an external
God and the idea of hierarchy was set in motion with patriarchy. It meant that people preferred to obey an external authority
instead of listening to their own Soul, and thus, to avoid their own responsibility. Orphanhood leading to insecurity, insecurity
leading to submission to an external order. Given this background, whether the SN or the NN of the Moon are in Cancer, the lesson
of internal security remains outstanding. This is especially true at a time when the Pisces Age is coming to a conclusion.
Mothering leading to responsibility, maturation grounded on nurturing.
Look forward to reading what others post on this topic.
The next conjunction of Saturn and Pluto will happen on Jan. 12, 2020 at 22'46" of
Capricorn. At that time the nodes will once again be in Cancer(NN) and
Capricorn(SN) @ 8'24"....quite a cosmic dance!
Something tells me the current cycle we are in is more based on relationships
being that the original conjunction was in Libra. With a waning square between
these two I think many current relationships will come under the microscope and
either change or be ended. An example of this is the relationship of the United
States and Israel, which in my opinion is in a VERY unhealthy balance of
unquestioning support of one for the other.......part of this problem falls on how
our own government forms relationships with large corporate interests and lobby
groups (AIPAC in particular).
Afghanistan is just another example of propping up corrupt warlords and drug
dealers as government officials........when will we ever learn these types of
"relationships" never work and usaully end in disaster.
On a more personal scale, forming relationships that promote emotional
independence and personal responsibility while contributing to each other's
continued evolutionary growth. This applies to our careers as well as our own
personal relationships......who are we working for and is this "relationship"
contributing to society in positive way? Are we just collecting a paycheck to buy
more material things?

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Hi - Sorry to have to add that since JWG wrote Chapter 11 in Pluto Vol 2, many many collective choices have been made. What
Gonzalopan stated is true, however human activities have affected Gaia to the point that some of the damage is no longer
reversible. And, every time there is an international climate summit, the proposals for what will be done are about a quarter of the
minimum needed to really change things, and instead of being put into place immediately, they are phased in for ten to twenty
years in the future. And by the time 10 to 20 years has gone by, next to nothing has actually changed, and another international
conference is held, with the same basic results.
Unfortunately the handwriting is now on the wall. Global temperatures, and wind and precipitation patterns are rapidly shifting.
This is going to effect the world's major food producing regions. The number of people on the planet is at an all time high and
rapidly growing. We will be seeing vast shortages of food and fresh water. This will be exacerbated by the new global corporate
reality, who sees these scarcities as opportunities to reap vast new fortunes, at the expense of people's lives. Look at what Wall
Street is getting away with in the USA, for example.
We are not entering a fun era on earth. In my opinion the only thing that is up to free choice at this point is the extent of the
upcoming difficulties. There is no longer an way we will avoid all of it - we have gone too far.
What we will see, as this unfolds, are the dual influences of patriarchy and matriarchy - those who want to advance their own
interests through exploiting the suffering at the expense of others; and those who want to band together and help their fellow
humans and other species through the hardships, as much as possible.

These two approaches to human life will increasingly be

colliding. People will be forced off the fence through circumstantial necessity. Everyone will have to choose their approach. We
must wait and see to find which approach prevails. The answer to that is still up in the air.
This is not intended to scare, but to suggest people look closely at what is going on, the directions things are going in, and start
thinking about where and how to prepare for the coming changes. Again, not from a place of fear but from a place of awakeness.
There will be many opportunities to evolve spiritually through the difficultieOne of the consequences of 'global warming', caused by
human activities that violate Natural Laws, is that the warming climate causes an acceleration of the Natural Law of mutation where
mutation is a consequence of the survival instinct in all forms of life. Thus, the forms of life that are called bacterias, viruses, and
fungus have begun this acceleration of mutations in order to survive. This will continue to accelerate at such a pace that the
humans capacity to keep designing new drugs to counteract this will not be able to keep up with the accelerated pace of the
evolving/ mutating viruses, bacterias, and fungus.
This will create, progressively, pan epidemics that will have the affect of killing a tremendous amount of people all over the globe.
This in combination, as Steve pointed out, with increasing scarcity of fresh water sources, the dehydration of increasing amounts of
land affecting food production, will cause cataclysmic circumstances for an ever increasing amount of human beings on this planet.
With Pluto in Capricorn, in the context of now, the EARTH REALITY of now, the very nature of the structural reality at every level
will be metamorphosed through varying degrees of cataclysms. And those cataclysms will occur as a consequence of CHOICES
THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN MADE, AND WILL CONTINUE TO BE MADE IN OUR COLLECTIVE FUTURE. The essence of those choices
comes down to the fact that the Natural Law, set in motion by the Creator, of 'giving, sharing, and inclusion' has been perversely
altered to 'exclusion and self interest'. It is this perversion, at a root level, that has been, and will remain to be, the cause of all
kinds of cataclysmic events for whole groupings of people that has already occurred, and will be occuring.
The transit of Pluto through Capricorn will move over it's own S.Node, as well as the S.Nodes of Saturn and Jupiter. It is intended
to create increasingly glaring and shocking events, events that can have cataclymic consequences due to choices made, in order to
get the attention of human beings so that other choices, choices in alignment with the Natural Laws of God/ess, can be made. And
those choices either way will determine, Capricorn, how all of us will be able to live our personal lives, Cancer, on this planet:
Earth. Our home.
Radhank you for your posts. I'm wondering if either of you have any thoughts re: the recent Universal Health Care bill in the U.S.
I'm asking this from the perspective of someone who does not, for the most part, utilize mainstream western medicine. I use
alternative medicine and continue to orient more and more to spiritual practice. With the likelihood of pandemics to come, I am
concerned that the response in the US will be mandatory vaccinations and such. Currently, they are still voluntary, but the push is
pretty strong. In the hospital I work at (at least for another week), participation in flu vaccination programs progressed from
voluntary to "mandatory" participation (but participation included signing a form that said you were choosing not to be
vaccinated). The alternative practitioners I have worked with for the most part consider vaccinations to be just more toxins added
to the body, thus weakening it further. For me this was a real ethical quandary: on the one hand, my own health, while improving,
was compromised, and I was not wanting to participate. On the other hand, I was working with people whose immune systems
were wiped out as part of their treatment. Thus, if I did get the flu, before I realized I was sick I could have passed onto a very
sick person a bug that could have killed them, given their weakened state. When I was extremely sick, I got the vaccinations,
as I felt the benefits outweighed the risks for myself, given my own weakened state. (Frankly, I hadn't thought about the impact
on the patients I was working with.) As I got healthier, I became more and more troubled by the dilemma (finally realizing there
was one) - sometimes getting vaccinated, sometimes not.
Please don't misunderstand me: I am not opposed to universal health care. I think we need it and it is a good thing. But I think,
also, we have a narrow conception of what health and well-being are. It seems to me that as we (collectively) continue to mistreat
our bodies (in addition to the rapidly mutating bacteria/viruses that Rad mentioned), we will be (collectively) more and more
susceptible to these things, but mainstream America does not seem to be making the connection. Well, I could go on, but will end
here, instead. I guess my question is really about our collective response to these health issues that will be confronting us more
and more. Any thoughts?
THE USE AND FUNCTION OF PLANETARY NODES
Any natal planet will have its own North and South nodes. The natal planets correlate to the current life of course. Yet each one of
these planets have a past that has brought it to the current life. And that past is defined by not only the actual house and sign of
the natal planet, but also its own S.Node. Thus, the relationship between the natal planet by house, sign, and aspects correlates to
the totality of its past that directly correlates to how and why it has come into the current life: the past that has lead to the current
moment, ones current life. So, in essence, the natal planet by house, sign, and aspect, relative to its S.Node, is the totality of that
past that has lead to the current moment, the current life. This is no different that the S.Node of the Moon, and the current natal
Moon in ones birth chart. All the prior life egocentric structures created by the Soul that have correlated to prior live evolutionary

dynamics that have lead to the current life, the current egocentric structure that has been created because of the totality of the
past. The current life Moon sign is the bridge between the past and the future, its N.Node, as integrated and lived on a moment to
moment basis in the context of the current life. Thus, the current life Moon by house, sign, and aspects, relative to its Nodes, and
the planetary ruler of those Nodes by their own house and sign locations, the aspects to them, is the constant that evolves within
itself as a reflection of this dynamic tension between the past and the future as integrated in each moment of our life.
This is exactly the same for all of our planets. They are in their own houses and signs, making whatever aspects to other planets,
that have all contributed to the past life development of those planets that constitute the existing reality for any of us at the
moment of birth. The S.Nodes of these planets, like the S.Node of the Moon, correlates to the history of those planets at different
points in time. This correlates to the inner memories in any of our Souls that have all lead to the orientation of our Souls to the
current life that we are living, the very reasons for the current life in all of its dimensions that must keep evolving, keep moving
towards a future that is reflected in the ongoing evolutionary intentions for our Souls.
All planets have their N.Nodes, just as the Moon does. The N.Node of these planets, like the Moon, correlates to the evolutionary
progression and development of those planets. The natal position of the whatever planet, like the Moon, correlates to how the
dynamic tension of our past and future is lived and integrated in each moment of our life. In essence, our past leads to the current
moment, and that current moment is always moving towards a future. We can only know that there is in fact a future because we
have had a past. The past leading to the moment is that which serves as the way any of us integrate, and move forwards into our
future, where that future is the evolutionary intentions for our current life. Thus, the N.Nodes of the planets serve as the vehicles
for the evolutionary future to manifest which is integrated in each moment by natal position of those planets.
The Nodes of Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune, and Pluto move very, very slowly over great lengths of time. Thus, they have a
generational as well as an individual application. Individual because they will be in each persons natal chart somewhere that is
unique to that person. Yet generational because they are in the same sign for all of us. The S.Nodes of Pluto, Jupiter, and Saturn
are in Capricorn for all us. The N.Nodes in Cancer for all of us. Historically speaking, the S.Nodes of these planets are in Capricorn,
And that is the time frame in which the transition between the Matriarchy and the Patriarchy occurred. All Souls on Earth as a result
are linked to that time whether they actually lived at that time or not. It is the COLLECTIVE MEMORY of that time that all Souls will
draw upon as reflected in the current life they are living. So too with the S.Node of Uranus which will be in Sagittarius for all of us,
its N.Node in Gemini. And the S.Node of Neptune is in Aquarius for all of us, and its N.Node in Leo. The N.Nodes of all of these
planets thus correlate to all peoples living on the planet now. They correlate to the evolutionary intentions for the entire species as
that species, human beings, continue to evolve as a species. And, of course, the ongoing evolutionary intentions and necessities of
the species can only be understood in direct relationship the past of that species: the S.Nodes.
Mars, Mercury, and Venus and their Nodes move through the signs much more quickly that the outer planets do. And these planets
all correlate to that which is highly personal and unique to each Soul, its own individual reality that exists within the context of
living with all the other humans that are living at the same time. The same principles of the past leading to the moment, and how
that moment moves to the future applies in these Nodes as well of course. The natal sign of these planets is that which is the
constant, that which integrates the dynamic tension between the past and the future that is experienced in each moment. This then
allows for an evolution to take place within the natal sign and house of these planets. Nothing is ever static. Everything evolves.
In doing Evolutionary Astrology, as we can see, it is essential that we are able to see and deal with the various dimensions of time,
and how those various dimensions of time, specific time frames, that correlate to specific lifetimes and the reasons for those
lifetimes, interface and interact within themselves. It is this that correlates in each Souls inner reality about the nature of its own
evolution through time. It is this that correlates to the specific nature of each Soul: its own unique prior lifetimes, and the reasons
for them that have been created through the vehicle of desires. It is this that allows us to understand the nature of the CURRENT
LIFE, AND WHY THE CURRENT LIFE. And, it is this that allows us to understand the evolutionary intentions for any Soul, it own next
steps as reflected in the N.Nodes of the planets. When all of this is understood through the core evolutionary paradigm for all
charts, the natal Pluto, its polarity point, the N and S Nodes of the Moon, the location of its planetary rulers, then a to
Many years ago I heard a lecture by Jeffrey Wolf Green about the Planetary Nodes. I am wondering if I can ask questions about the
Planetary Nodes here ? And if it ok can you use the chart of Joan Of Arch to discuss them ? I will try to attach the birth chart for
Joan of Arch here. If the chart doesn't post her birth data is: 6 Jan 1412, 5:00 pm LMT, DommylaPucelle, France. The position of
her planetary nodes are these: N.Node of Mercury is 13 Aquarius, and the S.Node is 3 Cap, the N.Node of Venus is 11 Pisces, and
the S.Node is 6 Cap, the N.Node of Mars is 6 Aries, and the S.Node is 11 Sag, the N.Node of Jupiter is 0 Cancer and the S.Node is 7
Cap, the N.Node of Saturn is 17 Cancer and the S.Node is 19 Capricorn, the N.Node of Uranus is 8 Gemini and the S.Node is 13
Sag, the N.Node of Neptune is 5 Leo and the S.Node is 4 Aquarius, and the N.Node of Pluto is 11 Cancer and the S.Node is 12
Capricorn. I very much want to learn more and more about the meaning and the use of these Planetary Nodes. Thanks so much,
Zuma Biography

French saint and savior who is known as the Maid of Orleans or La Pucelle D'Orleans, a national heroine and a history
phenomena.
A peasant girl, she was the daughter of a plowman and tenant farmer. Inspired by her visions and voices, she led the French
armies to momentous victory, marking a turning point of the Hundred Year's War. Her victory at Orleans in 1429 opened the way
for the coronation of Charles VII at Reims. Joan said that she heard the voices of St. Michael, St. Catherine and St. Margaret, who
divinely inspired and instructed her. The French crown was in dispute between the Dauphin, Charles, son and heir of the Valois
king, Charles VI, and the English king, Henry VI. Charles cause seemed hopeless at the end of 1427 as he was not yet crowned five
years after his father's death. Reims, the city where coronations were customarily held, was held by his enemies. Domremy was on
the frontier and, in 5/1428, led by her voices, Joan put on men's clothes and traveled to Vaucouleurs where she asked the Captain
of the garrison to see the Dauphin. She was refused and sent home but, in 1/1429 she went again. Charles' advisors agreed to give
her an audience so she went on to Chiron, reaching it in late February. He kept her waiting two days then concealed himself among
his couriers. She went directly to him and said she wished to go to battle and would have him crowned. In 1429, she set off for
Orleans with several hundred troops on April 27. On May 4 they took the fort, with another battle on May 6, and one on May 7 in
which she was wounded. When the armies met on June 18, she had a great victory over the English.
Charles was crowned with Joan present, a coronation held on 7/17/1429. Charles left Reims July 20, traveling through his
country in a celebratory parade for a month. Joan had more battles and sorties, attacking Paris 9/8/1429, where she was wounded
and routed. In late December 1429, King Charles ennobled her and her family. During a siege of 5/23/1430, Joan was unhorsed
and when she could not remount, was captured by the Bergundians. As Charles was working toward a truce with the Duke of
Bergundy, he made no attempt to save her. Joan was tried as a heretic with opening statements on 1/13/1431. She appeared a
dozen times at interrogations between February 21 and March 24. As she refused to promise to not attempt escape, she was often
put in irons in the cold dungeon. The original 70 charges were reduced to 12 and, in May, she became very sick in prison. Thinking
herself near death, she begged for the last rites of the church. On May 29, the Judges agreed to turn her over to secular officials.
The following day she was allowed to hear a Mass before she was taken to the stake and burned to death on 05/30/1431,
Rouen, France.
For this quote, and the entire letter from which it is taken, see Paine's "Joan of Arc: Maid of France", Vol. I, p. 353 [the letter
runs from p. 352 358)
"Her childhood was spent among the forests and strawberry-covered fields of the Meuse river valley, far from the northern
regions where the political situation had become increasingly troubled. The throne at that time was occupied by Charles VI de
Valois (aka Charles "the Mad"), whose frequent delusional periods rendered him unfit to govern. The monarchy had therefore been
placed in the hands of several members of the Royal family (the Dukes of Orlans, Burgundy [Bourgogne], Berri, and Bourbon, plus
Queen Isabel), and this warm extended family had become embroiled in an ugly civil war after Duke Louis of Orlans was
assassinated on the orders of his cousin Duke Jean-sans-Peur de Burgundy in 1407. France would henceforth be divided between
the Orlanist (or Armagnac) faction and their Burgundian rivals. In May 1413, when Jehanne was still a baby, the conflict produced
the Cabochien Revolt in Paris. For several weeks the city was subjected to a violent uprising engineered by the Duke of Burgundy,
led by a butcher named Simon Caboche, and egged on by a young clergyman and Burgundian partisan named Pierre Cauchon,
whom Jehanne would later meet during a less pleasant period of her life." o let's begin the understanding of the Planetary Nodes in
general at first. Any time we are dealing with the Nodes of the Planets, including the Moon, we are of course dealing with the
natural archetype of the trinity: the past, present, and the future. As a result we are dealing with the natural evolution of the
archetypes of all the planets and how this natural evolution is a reflection of the desires of each Soul. As we know the evolution of
the Soul is caused by the types of desires that it has. Each soul is unique to itself yet all Souls have as a common determinant the
natural law of desires that correlate to each Souls individual evolution.
To understand the Planetary Nodes of each of the planets is to understand the archetypes of those planets. Once we understand
the archetypes of each planet the next step is simply to apply the natural law of the evolutionary trinity to them: the past, present,
and the future as symbolized is their South Nodes, the current position of the planet in question ( the current life position of the
natal planet ), and of course it's North Node.
We must always understand when we are looking at life from an evolutionary point of view that the past is always the basis of
the present: it is always conditioning the present. It is because we have a past that we have a present and because we have a
present defined by the past we also know that there is a future. It is because we have a future, of that which can be, that we have
evolution itself. Thus, the natural pull of the future that we all experience is that which allows all of life, each soul , to evolve from
the present moment that is defined by the past. If there was not this natural evolutionary pull to the future we would simply have a
reality that does not evolve and remains stagnant for eternity.
Each planet will have their own North and South Nodes by sign. The signs of the Nodes correlate with their own archetypal
meanings that correlate with how and why the archetypes have been developed, and will be developed as integrated in each
moment where each moment is the actual house and sign of the natal planet in question. In turn each Node of the planets with

have their own planetary rulers where the rulers of each node, by their own house and sign placement within the natal chart, and
aspects that they are making to other natal planets, correlate to very specific and individual ways in which the ongoing evolution of
the planets occurs.
Within this we must remember that it is essential to understand the core evolutionary intentions of each Soul as symbolized in
the main evolutionary dynamic in each chart: the natal position of Pluto, it's polarity point, the positions of the North and South
Nodes of the Moon, and the locations of their planetary rulers by their own houses and signs. Once this is understood then we can
rightly understand the positions of all the other planets, including their North and South Nodes, and the location of their own
planetary rulers by their own houses and signs, as correlating to the fulfillment in total of that core evolutionary intentions of the
Soul relative to the main evolutionary dynamic in each chart.
This then will provide for the total and full picture of the ongoing evolutionary intentions of any given Soul.
So looking at Joan of Arc as an individual Soul we must first establish her evolutionary stage of development. My sense, given
her life, is that she is well within the First Stage Spiritual in which one of the hallmark or archetypes within that stage is karma
yoga: to do a work on behalf of God in such a way that the agency of the work becomes a vehicle through which God is made
present to the individual. Thus she 'hears' voices giving her instructions as to what to do, and makes a decision to to just that. And
these voices were the voices of 'saints' who had already 'died'. This can be seen in her birth chart by the 11th house Pluto in
Gemini which forms a ten degree square to her Nodal Axis of the Moon: skipped steps. And that South Node is Virgo in her Second
House, conjunct Mars, which itself is ruled by her Mercury in Capricorn in her Sixth House. At this point we then need to see that
the South Nodes of her Venus, Mercury, Jupiter, and Pluto are also conjunct that natal Mercury in her Sixth House. The utter
dominance of this signature does indeed correlate to not only her inner desire to be of service to God, karma yoga, but to be of
service to her nation or country: France. This was her way also of establishing her own authority: Capricorn, her own place within
the social structure or society.
In addition, the these voices initially were instructions about how to take care of and 'govern' herself: Capricorn. These inner
voices of the Saints equaling God to her is also seen by her S.Node of Neptune in Aquarius conjunct her natal Uranus and the
asteroid Pallas. In addition her N.Node of Mercury is conjunct these points.
And yet she was a women in the context of an extremely patriarchal time: Capricorn. Any Soul will be in one gender , male or
female, to a preponderant degree over the other. Yet all Souls must also come into it's opposite gender in certain lives in order to
evolve through such a natural balance even though all Souls are naturally and equally male and female. When we insert the
asteroid Amazon in her chart it is at 29 degrees Aries in her 10th house, which is ruled by her Mars in Virgo conjunct her S.Node of
the Moon in her 2nd house. To me this symbolizes that her Soul is a natural amazon Soul: a amazon women. Her inner relationship
to herself was based on this. As a result she would have a naturally strong inner male within her natural feminine. And, yet, she
was born into this rigid patriarchal time when she was Joan of Arc. This is of course why she then had to put on the costumes of
men, to make herself look like a man, in order to be heard or listened to by them at all: for her to be able to assert, Mars, her
authority, Capricorn, to them. Within this we need to remember that her sense of inner authority came from the inner voices that
she heard that gave her her sense of direction and purpose for the very life that she lived.
The planet that rules those S.Nodes in Capricorn in her 6th house is Saturn in Taurus in her 11th house. It is this symbol that
correlates with her Soul's desire, and the basis of the voices that she heard, to not only unite her country from it's civil wars, but to
help establish the rightful ruler and king for France. Establishing the rightful ruler or King is also seen in her S.Nodes of Mars and
Uranus in Sagittarius being in her 5th House: royalty. And those Nodes are ruled by Jupiter in Libra with the Moon in her 4th
House: her homeland. And because they are in Libra this correlates to the 'justice' of Charles becoming the King.
So of course where all this lead was a massive confrontation with the 'authority' of the Church and it's earthly agents. And this
confrontation not only lead to her intense persecution and humiliation, S.Node in Virgo conjunct Mars in Virgo, but of course all
those S.Nodes in her 6th House with the natal Sun, Mercury, and Venus to boot. Once she was captured this was all set in motion
and of course correlated to her intense personal crisis in which she was challenged by these external authorities of the Church to
choose between the authority of the Church as embodied in the Pope and it's other agents, and the inner authority that she has
received from the voices on the inner saints that spoke to her and gave her her very mission, karma yoga, for her life.
And it is this exact challenge that correlates with her 'skipped steps' as symbolized by her Pluto squaring her nodes. This
challenge and confrontation with these external authorities is seen not only through Pluto's square to the N.Node of the Moon in her
8th house, but also the N.Node of Venus in that 8th house as well. And both are ruled by Neptune in Cancer in her 12th house
which also conjuncts her N.Node of Jupiter, but also the N.Node of Pluto itself. The essence of this 'test' and confrontation came
down to whether she would accept that authority of the external Church and it's agents, or remain to committed first and foremost
to the inner sense of authority that she received from the voices of the Saints equaling, to her, God.
In some other lifetimes , and through different circumstances, this exact same kind of test happened before and she
compromised her deepest inner truth, the truth of the inner God or Godhead that correlated to her sense of personal identity and
purpose, to external authorities who challenged it with the threat of death: Pluto squaring the nodal axis in her 2nd and 8th houses,
square Mars in the 2nd. And she chose in those lives to survive, 2nd house, rather that die. This skipped step, remaining loyal to
the inner Godhead and the teachings and truths that came from there no matter what the consequences to the Soul from the
external world, thus had to be recovered in order for her Soul to be able to continue to evolve.
Through her ordeal of being grilled during her 'trials' at the hands of the Church and it's agents she remained committed to her
truth and inner authority no matter how many threats were made to her. She was placed in a prison with men: not women. Not

only did she contract serious illnesses there to the point of almost dying, but was also subjected to the gang raping by these men:
Mars in Virgo in her 2nd, conjunct her S.Node of the Moon, the Mars itself square her Pluto and Pluto square her N.Node of the
Moon in her 8th House with the N.Node of Venus there.
During this ordeal she weakened , her Soul weakened, for a small amount of time and she attempted to recant her declarations
about the inner voices of the Saints and the inner authority of God that came from them. She did this in order to survive: 2nd
house. This is of course the echo of certain previous lives in which she had done this exact same thing. Yet it did not take her long
to liberate from this either. The N.Node of Uranus is indeed conjunct not only her natal Pluto in the 11th, but also squaring her
Nodes of the Moon and natal Mars, and the N.Node of Venus: to liberate from the skipped steps by reasserting her inner authority
as defined by the voices of the Saints that she heard. Her Uranus is also ruled by her Mercury in Capricorn which is conjunct those
S.Nodes of Mercury, Venus, Pluto, and Jupiter.
And, of course, this lead directly to her being burned alive: Mars on her S.Node in Virgo, in her 2nd house. The N.Node of that
Mars is in Aries in the 9th House, square natal Neptune in Cancer in the 12th house with the N.Nodes of Jupiter and Pluto. She was
burned alive yet in so doing not only did she recover her own skipped steps but died as a 'warrior of God', a warrior for the Truth no
matter what the personal consequences were to her. And, as a result, and paradoxically, THE CHURCH FINALLY CANONIZED HER
AND MADE HER A SAINT on May 16, 1920. And this happened with the transiting Uranus EXACTLY CONJUNCT HER N.NODE IS
PISCES IN HER 8TH HOUSE, TRANSITING PLUTO CONJUNCT HER 12 HOUSE NEPTUNE, AND TRANSITING SATURN CONJUNCT HER
S.NODE AND MARS !!
Let me know if this helps you Zuma and if you have any other questions. If any one else wants to ask more about the Planetary
Nodes please do. Rad
I know your questions were directed to Rad, but I hope its ok that I contribute some thoughts/observation to the example and
question youve asked.
As we know, the venus archetype correlates to what we call essential needs, as well as inherent resources that can be tapped for
the self-sufficient meeting of these needs (a result of effort). Essential needs and the resources we have to meet those needs are
directly linked to the issue of survival. We can see that transiting venus rx at 10 aries, relative to its south node at 20 aquarius
and north node at 1 taurus, is reflecting a direct connection to the global economic crises that is underway at this time, which is
impacting and creating trauma/social unrest on the international level. If we observe these symbols through synastry to the USA
chart, we find transiting venus retrograding through USAs 11th house, the transiting south node of venus in USAs 10th house
approaching exact conjunction to USAs natal lucifer, and the north node of venus just inside the USAs 12th. Natally, USA has
venus in cancer in the 2nd house, conjunct its own north node, jupiter and its own north node, the sun, and the north node of
mercury. By extension, from the point of view of the 2nd house stellium, we can safely include the north node of pluto in this
group of conjunctions. In the USA we have major corporations suddenly collapsing, which itself is threatening the basic stability of
the overall economic system as a whole...the domino effect. People are suddenly losing their jobs, or perceiving an imminent
threat to losing their jobs in near future. This creates an effect of trauma, relative to the sudden loss or potential loss of resources/
means of sustaining survival on the individual level. In the USA we have the institution of government (10th house) scrambling to
find a way to direct financial aid to these collapsing corporations in a desperate attempt to resecure the basic stability of the
economic system before it disintegrates beyond reasonably short term repair. And of course what we see playing out is that this
aid is being given to members of an elite population (relative to socioeconomic status) in extremely liberal sums of money to pay
out bonuses which have become an established standard for executive lifestyle. This has started to generate a deep rumbling of
social unrest and objectionary anger within the general population. Some individuals within this general population are so angry by
what they see as an abuse and outright violation of essential social equitability, that they are threatening utter rebellion against the
order of law and warning of intentions to take matters into their own hands by striking out on these elite individuals who are
receiving the tax-payer funded bonuses. These executives have reported feeling utterly terrorized by these threats. This is a
dangerous pattern that can materialize in the form of group violence we call mobbing, which can take various expressions.
Mobbing generates its fuel through the dynamic we call behavioral contagion. We can see the beginnings of this pattern taking
root. A relatively benign example that I heard about on the news today, are these 'bus tours' that are planned for this weekend, in
which groups of people who wish to apply pressure in an utterly personal way upon these executives, will be driving to these
executive's neighborhoods and homes! But anyhow, in typical aquarian/11th house fashion, the events within this systemic crises
are developing rapidly (11th house/aquarius = acceleration), and with each new development, the far-reaching impact is becoming
progressively apparent, creating alarm. The constructive intention within this crises would be to generate an evolutionary leap as a
society and a collective, relative to innovating and reconstructing an existing outmoded, corrupt, and crumbling economic structure/
system. The destructive potential of course would be a progressive loss of trust within the collective itself, manifesting as an
increasing resistance of individuals to cooperate in the context of a cohesive group which is needed to effect the major changes/
transformation necessary...i.e., every man for himself...the root of anarchy. The extremity of what this would allow, would be an
absolute systemic collapse and fragmentation that blows apart the economic system and utterly alters the landscape of what we
have come to know as our lifestyles. The relative freedom and diversity of choice/opportunity that has been available to the
general U.S. population as a means of sustaining ourselves and our families in a context of individual expression could conceivably
be replaced by a fundamental limiting collective restriction that necessarily must focus on basic survival for a time. So this is where

the natural archetypes of community; giving, sharing, and including; listening; and sustained effort to utilize inherent resources in
new, innovative ways becomes a paramount issue, as this is what will help us navigate the current crises safely and preserve
essential stability within a transforming societal structure/culture. Within this collective pattern, individuals will experience a
specific impact relative to their own personal situation and role within the societal system. Many people will find themselves tested
with absolute feelings of being victimized by the system itself and will find their faith in the collective unit dissolving, to a point
where the temptation can get very intense to surrender all hope in the role and function of the collective unit. Such feelings are
being induced by evil and therefore should be avoided to the deepest extent possible, because if people begin acting on the basis of
these induced magnified fears and negative emotions, the effects of self-fulfilling prophecy can then be empowered to manifest in
reality. So, the key in avoiding these traps is in making a sustained effort to maintain objectivity to the best of ones ability, at
every stage of this unfolding crises. You can see the archetypes of transiting venus and the archetypes of its nodes operating in
what has just been described?
To understand the transiting Planetary Nodes in any chart is first to understand the individual context for each Soul: the actual
individual Soul reality. And that starts of course with an understanding of the natal position of Pluto as that is referenced to the
S.Node of the Moon by house and sign placement, and the location of it's planetary ruler by it's own house and sign, and aspects to
it. Aspects to the S.Node of the Moon, and aspects to that natal Pluto all correlate to the past context of the Soul: it's desires for
evolution. Within that we can then understand, the actual context, of the S.Nodes of all the other planets as they all are linked to
this underlying , core, evolutionary signature as symbolized by these points.
In the same way, to understand the current evolutionary intent for the Soul is to understand Pluto's polarity point by house and
sign, the location of the N.Node of the Moon by house and sign, and the location of it's planetary ruler by house and sign. And
aspects to these points by other planets that all contribute to the current evolutionary intention of the Soul. The N.Nodes of the
other planets, once the individual context is understood, then all contribute to the actualization of this core evolutionary dynamic or
intention by the location of them by their own houses and signs, and aspects to them by other planets.
All of these symbols thus correlate to evolutionary dynamics of the Soul for it's whole lifetime: the natal imprint.
The transiting S.Nodes of the other other planets simply means where the Soul is re-meeting it's own past at any given moment
relative the archetypal meanings of each planet. Right now the transiting S.Node of Venus is in Aquarius. So that will land
somewhere in any of our birth charts. And the transiting N.Node of Venus is in Taurus which will be somewhere in any of our
charts. So first, of course, it is necessary to understand the total archetype of Venus.
So, first, once we understand the natal evolutionary signature for any Soul, the core evolutionary dynamics symbolized by Pluto,
it's polarity point, the N. and S. Nodes of the Moon, and their planetary rulers, we can then look into any other of the planetary
nodes to see how they all contributed to this core evolutionary signature. The S.Nodes of all the other planets, by their own house
and sign locations, other planets they may be aspecting them, have all contributed to the core evolutionary signature of the Souls
desires and intentions. What kinds of relationships was the Soul forming and why ? What kinds of values did the Soul orientate too
and why ? What constituted the sense of meaning and purpose for those lifetimes and why ? What kinds of inner relationships did
the Soul have with itself and why ? How was it able to relate to others and why ? Etc. These are Venus things.
So we do this with all the Planetary Nodes. It just a matter of understanding the total archetypes of all the planets. What are the
Mercury archetypes and how have they been orientated too in past lives and why ? What are the Mars ones, Jupiter ones, etc, etc.
Once we have this total grasp and understanding of all the past life dynamics and why, we can then understand where the Soul
comes into life at: the past that has lead to the current life. Once we know that total context then we can truly understand the
nature of all the N.Node symbols for all the other planets. It is through those N.Nodes of all the other planets that not only do the
archetypes of those planets evolve within the consciousness of the Soul, but they also correlate too how the Soul intends to fully
develop the current evolutionary intentions for the life being lived as related to the core evolutionary signature in all charts: natal
Pluto, it's polarity point, the N. and S.Nodes of the Moon, the location of the planetary rulers of each.
Each planet has their own Nodal Axis. This is the natural law of the trinity that we can call the past, present, and future. The past
of course are the S.Nodes. The future are the N.Nodes, and the present is the position of the natal planet as it relates to it's nodal
axis. The natal signature of all of these is a life signature that operates for the whole life: life a foundation upon which a house is
built. The natal position of the planet relative to it's own nodes is the integration point relative to the past and the future for the
past is always defining the moment as is the evolutionary pull of the future. The forces of the past and the future must have an
integration point in the present. And that is the natal position of the planet itself.
The transiting S.Nodes of any planet, or the Moon, is where we are always meeting our past in some way so as to evolve it into
the future which is the meaning of the transiting N.Nodes of the planets and the Moon. Within this , of course, we also have the
transit of the planets themselves at any moment in time with the transiting Nodes of those transiting planets. So, here again, we
have the natural trinity: the transiting planet and it's nodes. The transiting planet relative to it's Nodes is the integration point in
the present for the issues that are manifesting relative to it's nodes: past and present. And this transiting trinity of a planet and it's
nodes is then related to the underlying evolutionary signature for life as demonstrated in the natal positions of that planet and it's
nodes.
This is how to understand and use the Planetary Nodes in the individuals chart. Each Soul. Then of course there is the collective:
the transiting positions at any moment in time for any planet, and it's nodes, and this affects and impacts on each of our individual
lives. Stacies wonderful answer for you demonstrates exactly how this works.
hi zuma...

a few more thoughts here on the tr nodes relative to transiting SN of Venus in Aquarius and tr NN of Venus in Taurus. Clearly all
souls on the planet are impacted with this current crisis surrounding funds...future survival. The tr SN of Venus in Aquarius is
forcing us all to connect to our commnunity, neighbors..tribe..to share resources to become creative in how we gather and share.
Sustainable living etc. It may very well be activating past life fears of losing everything, perhaps being a part of a tribe that was
destroyed..so this period could activate unresolved trauma relative to not having enough resources, increasing people's fears ..ie
what if the same thing happens..ie we run out.. The current transit of Venus is also retrograde in Aries and so people are needing
to find NEW ways of earning and utilizing resources..new ways to move forward..birthing new ideas that reflect the current econmic
climate. NN of Venus in Taurus is also about simplifying, consolidating..getting highly practical and streamline, not wasting
anything..being mindful of the planet...being good to our Mother ie mother nature...it is about getting back to your roots..Taurus..
finding value in the simple things that do not cost money..ie listening to music,walks in nature..It reminds me of a quote I read
from Yogananda he said, "Simplify your life as much as possible, and you will see how joyful you can become".
As Venus retrogrades back and dips into Pisces at 29 degrees in April, this to me can represent recovering more of people's spiritual
selves...the need to trust in a bigger God now.it can equal the miracle or the disaster...This can also equal people needing to totally
surrender to old ways of being..to heal broken pieces of the past..to also keep your eye one the bigger picture too at the same time
current survival themes are in operation..to plan accordingly.
Relative to personal relationships, this also goes back to recovering your roots (Taurus)..NN of Venus makes a natural trine to tr
Saturn in Virgo and Pluto in Cap by sign.all earth signs...going back to one's own vital SOUL essence..to personally liberate from
conditioned patterns..TO CREATE NEW STRUCTURES/REALITIES THAT RELFECT THE ACTUAL SOUL SELF...re-access one's own
individuality (SN in Aquarius), the unique way they were designed by God/dess. Venus in Taurus is also about one's inner
relationship to self. it all starts there, and through extension Goddess. Tr SN Venus in Aquarius will help unlock long term memories
of one's essential needs/ nature.. which can help souls reclaim their individuated self... then by accessing NN of Venus in
Taurus...to stay centered and grounded in this liberation, to feel the inner freedom of who they are and stayed rooted in that - to
free any inner judgements they may have. To be in relationships with others in ways that reflect who they actually are..to totally
SHOW UP without filters, versus how they may have been operating. In some cases this may lead to being alone... ie
breakups...Aquarius/Taurus can equal that..Knowing what you need and then being a broken record in your expression of those
needs..this is the inconjunct between 2nd house and 7th house....People's front line of survival now beyond the basic need for food
and shelter etc. is in getting to the root of their essential nature and needs..experiencing and then expressing this essence once
this is unearthed, the truth of their deisres..(tr Venus in Aries)..allowing those natural INSTINCTS to surface and then making
choices with a NEW COURAGE, that comes from owning these desirs that reflect their instinct..and essential individual needs. The tr
Venus rx in Aries is serving to help people recover their desire nature and own their unique individuality ( tr SN in aquarius)..and all
that makes them unique..this can and will create crisis in relationships.as we have seen with the Pluto NN example.written by
Linda//.the man in crisis because of the different values he and his partner have..this will reach a crisis pt for those who are not on
the same page as their partner...This transit for partners that are expressing their own unique individuality independent of one
another and together can sweetly benefit by this current Venus transit.. as the Taurus element can serve to deepen and strengthen
the foundation personally for people staying true to who they are and in partnerships when the essential natures are expressed and
mutually honored.

THE USE AND FUNCTION OF PLANETARY NODES

Any natal planet will have its own North and South nodes. The natal planets correlate to the current life of course. Yet each one of
these planets have a past that has brought it to the current life. And that past is defined by not only the actual house and sign of
the natal planet, but also its own S.Node. Thus, the relationship between the natal planet by house, sign, and aspects correlates to
the totality of its past that directly correlates to how and why it has come into the current life: the past that has lead to the current
moment, ones current life. So, in essence, the natal planet by house, sign, and aspect, relative to its S.Node, is the totality of that
past that has lead to the current moment, the current life. This is no different that the S.Node of the Moon, and the current natal
Moon in ones birth chart. All the prior life egocentric structures created by the Soul that have correlated to prior live evolutionary
dynamics that have lead to the current life, the current egocentric structure that has been created because of the totality of the
past. The current life Moon sign is the bridge between the past and the future, its N.Node, as integrated and lived on a moment to
moment basis in the context of the current life. Thus, the current life Moon by house, sign, and aspects, relative to its Nodes, and
the planetary ruler of those Nodes by their own house and sign locations, the aspects to them, is the constant that evolves within
itself as a reflection of this dynamic tension between the past and the future as integrated in each moment of our life.
This is exactly the same for all of our planets. They are in their own houses and signs, making whatever aspects to other planets,
that have all contributed to the past life development of those planets that constitute the existing reality for any of us at the
moment of birth. The S.Nodes of these planets, like the S.Node of the Moon, correlates to the history of those planets at different
points in time. This correlates to the inner memories in any of our Souls that have all lead to the orientation of our Souls to the
current life that we are living, the very reasons for the current life in all of its dimensions that must keep evolving, keep moving

towards a future that is reflected in the ongoing evolutionary intentions for our Souls.
All planets have their N.Nodes, just as the Moon does. The N.Node of these planets, like the Moon, correlates to the evolutionary
progression and development of those planets. The natal position of the whatever planet, like the Moon, correlates to how the
dynamic tension of our past and future is lived and integrated in each moment of our life. In essence, our past leads to the current
moment, and that current moment is always moving towards a future. We can only know that there is in fact a future because we
have had a past. The past leading to the moment is that which serves as the way any of us integrate, and move forwards into our
future, where that future is the evolutionary intentions for our current life. Thus, the N.Nodes of the planets serve as the vehicles
for the evolutionary future to manifest which is integrated in each moment by natal position of those planets.
The Nodes of Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune, and Pluto move very, very slowly over great lengths of time. Thus, they have a
generational as well as an individual application. Individual because they will be in each persons natal chart somewhere that is
unique to that person. Yet generational because they are in the same sign for all of us. The S.Nodes of Pluto, Jupiter, and Saturn
are in Capricorn for all us. The N.Nodes in Cancer for all of us. Historically speaking, the S.Nodes of these planets are in Capricorn,
And that is the time frame in which the transition between the Matriarchy and the Patriarchy occurred. All Souls on Earth as a result
are linked to that time whether they actually lived at that time or not. It is the COLLECTIVE MEMORY of that time that all Souls will
draw upon as reflected in the current life they are living. So too with the S.Node of Uranus which will be in Sagittarius for all of us,
its N.Node in Gemini. And the S.Node of Neptune is in Aquarius for all of us, and its N.Node in Leo. The N.Nodes of all of these
planets thus correlate to all peoples living on the planet now. They correlate to the evolutionary intentions for the entire species as
that species, human beings, continue to evolve as a species. And, of course, the ongoing evolutionary intentions and necessities of
the species can only be understood in direct relationship the past of that species: the S.Nodes.
Mars, Mercury, and Venus and their Nodes move through the signs much more quickly that the outer planets do. And these planets
all correlate to that which is highly personal and unique to each Soul, its own individual reality that exists within the context of
living with all the other humans that are living at the same time. The same principles of the past leading to the moment, and how
that moment moves to the future applies in these Nodes as well of course. The natal sign of these planets is that which is the
constant, that which integrates the dynamic tension between the past and the future that is experienced in each moment. This then
allows for an evolution to take place within the natal sign and house of these planets. Nothing is ever static. Everything evolves.
In doing Evolutionary Astrology, as we can see, it is essential that we are able to see and deal with the various dimensions of time,
and how those various dimensions of time, specific time frames, that correlate to specific lifetimes and the reasons for those
lifetimes, interface and interact within themselves. It is this that correlates in each Souls inner reality about the nature of its own
evolution through time. It is this that correlates to the specific nature of each Soul: its own unique prior lifetimes, and the reasons
for them that have been created through the vehicle of desires. It is this that allows us to understand the nature of the CURRENT
LIFE, AND WHY THE CURRENT LIFE. And, it is this that allows us to understand the evolutionary intentions for any Soul, it own next
steps as reflected in the N.Nodes of the planets. When all of this is understood through the core evolutionary paradigm for all
charts, the natal Pluto, its polarity point, the N and S Nodes of the Moon, the location of its planetary rulers, then a total
understanding of any Souls evolutionary journey can be understood. Here is something about the planetary nodes that we can all
consider. Most of you will remember, when we talked about the structure of the Soul many months ago now, that I pointed out that
it takes 24,000 years for the Nodes of Pluto to go through the entire zodiac: one astrological age. What is really incredible when
you start to think about it is that the Nodes of Mars also takes 24,000 year for them to move through all the signs in the zodiac.
They spend about 4,000 years in three signs, then another 3 signs for another 4,000 years, etc. For example, the S.Nodes of Mars
since 500 A.D. have been in Libra, Scorpio, and Sagittarius depending on the time of year, in any given year. And, the N.Nodes are
Aries, Taurus, and Gemini. This will remain in those signs until 4,300 A.D. So there are two things to ponder in this. One is the fact
that, as we know, the lower octave of Pluto is Mars of course. Pluto is the underlying natural law of evolution for all things,
including humans. And Mars instinctually acts out those evolutionary imperatives through the various forms of life, including
human.
So the questions become why does Mars stay in three signs and their polarities, in any given year, for over 4,000 years ? What is
the symbolism for collective and individual evolution here ? The meaning of it ? And of course the phenomena of the 24,000 year
cycle of an astrological age with both the Nodes of Pluto and Mars taking that amount of time to go through all twelve signs in the
zodiac ?
what is the reference point? so, if we say that an astrological age is 24,000 years, this cycle that we are in began when?
Here is the posting you gave of Cap. sub-age within Cancer age:
CAPRICORN SUB-AGE 7,660-6,580 B.C.
7,660 - 7,570 - Capricorn

7,570 - 7,480 - Aquarius

7,480 - 7,390 - Pisces
7,390 - 7,300 - Aries
7,300 - 7,210 - Taurus
7,210 - 7,120 - Gemini
7,120 - 7,030 - Cancer
7,030 - 6,940 - Leo
6,940 - 6,850 - Virgo
6,850 - 6,760 - Libra
6,760 - 6,670 - Scorpio
6,670 - 6,580 - Sagittarius
If I am reading this right, does this say that the capricorn sub age lasts 1080 years and has it's own 12 subdivisions?
Here is the link to the posting for ages and sub-ages:
Re: Geodectic Equivelents
Reply #5 on: Sep 30, 2009, 08:47 AM
Each age, a two thousand + year period has a polarity of sub age within this.
Reviewing this list, and in effort to answer my own question, would it be true that this larger astrological age began at the 0
degrees Aries point - even though this is retrograde movement and marked the start of the age of Pisces?
To ask another way, Is the age of Pisces- the start of it - actually the start of a new larger 24,000 year astrological age??
If so, would the planetary node sign placements of pluto and mars at this movement be of crucial importance to understand the
underpinnings of the whole astrological age itself?
Thanks,
Bradleyhanks for your thoughts on this.

Still working to grasp the answer to Rad's question:

So the questions become why does Mars stay in three signs and their polarities, in
any given year, for over 4,000 years ? What is the symbolism for collective and
individual evolution here ? The meaning of it ? And of course the phenomena of
the 24,000 year cycle of an astrological age with both the Nodes of Pluto and Mars
taking that amount of time to go through all twelve signs in the zodiac ?
Outside of a sign context, would it as simple of applying the 3 signs mars nn is inthe conscious desires within the collective to the 2 signs that pluto is in
simultaneously - the collective soul's evolutionary intentions. So, based on the nn
of pluto, the collective of human souls is evolving toward this thru the conscious
desires seen in the nn of mars? Am I getting this?
Going back to the transition to the imbalance of living in natural balance with all of
live, the nn of pluto would have entered cancer around that time - right?
So, the collective soul's evolutionary intentions for all of humanity have continued
to be connecting with emotional nature of self, security in our own inner identity.
Thus, the continuation of distortions and domination as we collectively progressed
into the patriarchal reality are all relative to south node patterns. So, then the
question is, why has our reality continued to be shaped by the sn signs of pluto,
saturn, and jupiter and not the nn sign??

Logged
I believe the archetypal signs have been distorted too and the collective is living out the shadow of Cancer just as much as it's
playing out the shadow of Capricorn, although I know many folks who are following the cardinal path with true leadership and
emotional integrity.

We also have to look at the SN of Mars to discern Pluto's nodal influence. I wrote about it and Rad replied though not specifically.
We may be putting the cart before the horse with the bigger picture, although I too would like to learn about the larger cycles.
Thanks for your input Bradley. I hope this thread will gain momentum.
anks for adding the shadow of Cancer as well.
Would this shadow side of Cancer be visible in... inner security reliance upon outside sources.
For example, if I sat and thought: Why and how are folks identifying with this consensus reality of destruction and deception?
would it make sense to correlate this to the inner security, identity, and reliance on security from outside sources - like the
capitalistic economy model teaching to climb the corporate ladder, success means dominance.

If one is sourcing emotional

security from within, these needs of outer success and dominance can evolve to a new expression. The extreme degree in outer
security reliance is reflective this shadow of Cancer.

Is this proper correlation?

If so, at the onset of the transition from

'matriarchy' to 'patriarchy' would this be symbolized in the shift in inner identity [from sn sag/nn gemini(of planetary nodes of
pluto, saturn, and jupiter) to the sn cap, nn cancer] such that humans at this time(the transition) began to increasingly source
internal security from the outer cultural systems, societal structures.
This is such a phenomena spanning large era's of time that the subjectivity of the evolutionary dynamic at play in the human
consciousness is challenging to get a real perspective on it. How do you show a pattern when its going on over thousands of years?
What were the systems of 'law', order, and 'government' like prior to this transition?
Goddess Bless,
BradleyRad's quote: Here is something about the planetary nodes that we can all consider. Most of you will remember,
when we talked about the structure of the Soul many months ago now, that I pointed out that it takes 24,000 years
for the Nodes of Pluto to go through the entire zodiac: one astrological age.
The natural law of evolution for everything is represented collectively and individually by Plutos movement through the zodiac. The
totality of Plutos past, that is, how humanity has evolved to date, is defined by its South Node (as well as Plutos house and sign
in a chart). The collective and individual past has been carried through to the current moment in time. The SN of Pluto correlates
to what defined the past, as well as to how and why it has come to the current time.
It takes the Nodes of Pluto 24,000 years to move through the entire zodiac which makes up one Astrological Age. The South Node
of Pluto is presently at 18 deg Capricorn.
We are presently evolving into another Aquarian Age, with the last Age of Pisces culminating. It would now be essential to
understand how the structural nature of our reality has been conditioned by the past, in order that we can apply what is understood
to what is needed now.
The beginning of this new paradigm will allow the past dynamics that defined collective and individual reality to be experienced and
understood, in order to stop history from repeating itself.
What defined the collective past 24,000 years of humanity?
During the last Aquarian Age, 24,000 years ago, the Matriarchy was firmly established.
About 8,000 years ago, during the Capricorn sub-age of the Age of Cancer, due to the Capricorn energies becoming repressed and
distorted, there took place a patriarchal take-over and violation of Natural Law, when it started to be replaced by the man-made
law of self-interest and exclusion. During that time the man-made sky gods and world religions were created.
During the past 1,000 years of the Virgo sub-age of the Age of Pisces, the biblical Garden of Eden myth conditioned us to believe in
the separation of the spirit from the flesh, that we were inherently bad and were being judged by god.which lead to deeply
embedded man-made guilt in the psyche, the inequality of the sexes, and sadomasochistic imbalance in relationships.
How and why does the SN of Pluto bring us to the present time?
The SN of Pluto at 18 deg Capricorn means that we are revisiting the time of the patriarchal take-over in order to metamorphose,
eliminate and dissolve the artificial beliefs of the patriarchy.

Through the NN of Pluto (presently 21 deg Cancer) our collective group of Souls is learning how to live in absolute balance with
natural laws and Nature. We are returning to matriarchal principles by re-aligning with the true self-image of what it means to live
in harmony with the Earth, our home and mother.

Embracing matriarchal principles once again will allow positive collective and

individual growth and evolution.

We are presented with a challenge with the SN of Pluto in Capricorn, the operative principle from the past being Saturn: that is,
the need to move beyond the conformity of existing reality as defined by the consensus.
The NN of Pluto in Cancer serves as a vehicle for the evolutionary future to manifest.
What is really incredible when you start to think about it is that the Nodes of Mars also takes 24,000 years for them to
move through all the signs in the zodiac.
Mars, as the lower octave of Pluto, correlates to how desires emanating from the Soul are brought to egocentric consciousness and
how they are acted upon. The Nodes of Mars would allow conscious definition and understanding of how the collective and
individuals have evolved, what the past and present collective Soul desires were/are, and how and why these desires are
brought forward by the SN's of Pluto and Mars into the present. The Nodes of Mars would work closely in sync with the Nodes of
Pluto.
Presently the SN of Mars is 9 deg Scorpio, its ruler being Pluto itself. The NN of Mars is presently 26 deg Gemini.
For example, the S.Nodes of Mars since 500 A.D. have been in Libra, Scorpio, and Sagittarius depending on the time of
year, in any given year. And, the N.Nodes are Aries, Taurus, and Gemini. This will remain in those signs until 4,300
A.D.
From 500 AD to 4300 AD = 3,800 years
So there are two things to ponder in this. One is the fact that, as we know, the lower octave of Pluto is Mars of course.
Pluto is the underlying natural law of evolution for all things, including humans. And Mars instinctually acts out those
evolutionary imperatives through the various forms of life, including human.
Why does Mars stay in three signs and their polarities, in any given year, for over 4,000 years?
4,000 years = 2 Astrological Ages (eg Age of Pisces, Age of Aquarius) = yin/yang, feminine/masculine, or energy moving out from
the centre/energy moving back towards the centre. Three signs correlate to the qualities of cardinal, fixed, and mutable.
What is the symbolism for collective and individual evolution here?
Relative to the Nodes of Pluto and Mars, a 4,000 year subdivision means that, collectively and individually, Souls would consciously
understand what the Astrological Age is about, and how to advance its new evolutionary purpose.
The meaning of it?
The Nodes of Mars stay in 3 signs and their polarities for over 4,000 years because new evolutionary cycles begin at each segment,
where new directions are taken, and cardinal cycles of new evolutionary desires are initiated.
And of course the phenomena of the 24,000 year cycle of an astrological age with both the Nodes of Pluto and Mars
taking that amount of time to go through all twelve signs in the zodiac?
From 0 to 360 degrees is a complete cycle of the zodiac. The completion of an Astrological Age means the completion of a 24,000
year cycle, and the beginning of a new one. Pluto, and little brother Mars, would initiate new evolutionary desires at the beginning
of a new Astrological Age.
The Nodes of Pluto and Mars take that amount of time to go through all 12 signs of the zodiac. They symbolize bringing to
completion the old 24,000 year cycle, and the beginning of a new evolutionary cycle. Whatever has not been completed, finished
or resolved will be recreated so that necessary culmination can take place. Collective consciousness becomes internalized, allowing
a reflection on the Universal Reality.
~ ~ ~Here is some information about these great cycles that we are talking about, and hopefully this will answer the various

questions that have been asked. And, Linda, really loved the stuff that your wrote.
The 26,000 year time frame for the world cycle is based upon the current velocity of our sun as it moves through the processional
equinoctial cycle. According to Sri Yuksteswar in The Holy Science, the Indian sages mark the time of the world cycle to be
about 24,000 years, making every degree 66.6 years long, and 2,000 years per zodiac age. Given this, there is reason to consider
that our suns velocity is not constant, but changes during the cycle. If this were true, our suns speed is slower now, and will
increase as we return back to our solar systems closest point to the galactic center in 10,500 years, or 12,500 AD.
With respect to Pluto and Mars nodal cycles, Solar Fire only provides nodal data for the time period between roughly 4,500 B.C. to
4,500 A.D.. Everything else beyond that is based upon extrapolation, given nothing else to go on other than the known fact that
there exists an apparent pattern to the order of the cosmos. The pattern of creation can be intuitively grasped based upon
evolutionary principles under natural law.)
Plutos nodes and Mars nodes have different cycles. Plutos nodes spend about 2,000 years within every zodiac sign and its
polarity. Moving in apparent harmony to our sun as it shifts also every 2.,000 years, based upon the 24K time frame. The nodes
of Mars however remain in 3 signs, with their polarity, for about 4,000 years. Then one sign with its polarity drops out of the
trinity, and is replaced by the next sign in the sequence.
For example, in 4,500 to 500 BC, the south nodes for Mars are Virgo, Libra, and Scorpio. Its north nodes are Pisces, Aries, Taurus.
Then around 500 BC, the South Node of Virgo and North Node Pisces become phased out. They are replaced by South Node
Sagittarius., North Node Gemini. This pattern continues, the trinity of South Node in Libra, Scorpio, Sag and North Node Aries,
Taurus, Gemini, until about 4,300 AD. Then Mars South Node Libra, North Node Aries phases out and shifts to South Node
Capricorn and North Node Cancer.
Using this model, the nodes of Mars complete one cycle every 24 K years. When that cycle culminates, a new cycle begins, but
what was the original sign for South Node of Mars (at the beginning of prior 24K cycle) shifts to become its North Node of Mars, and
vice versa. Any given sign with its polarity that becomes active within the Mars cycle remains active for 12,000 years at a time,
where it then becomes phased out by another in the zodiac sequence.
Using the above example for Mars nodes at 4,500 BC, and extrapolating into the future at 24K sun speed, in 19,500 AD (4,500 BC
plus 24K) Mars South Node would be Pisces, Aries, Taurus and its North Node would be Virgo, Libra, Scorpio - the reverse. A
whole new Mars cycle begins yet the nodes are reversed. This is an example of the application of polarity upon an evolving
consciousness as a gentle, yet provocative force.
The 500 AD time is the point calculated by Sri Yuksteswar which marks the halfway point in the world cycle. According to the Hindu
model of the world cycle, called the Daiva yugas, there are two halves or what are called by them Electric Couples (EC), each 12K
years long. The switch from one Electric Couple to the other occurred in 500 AD.

Relative to the patriarchy, it signals its

culmination. The forces at work upon human consciousness which operated during the previous EC reflected the male creating
principle, which is yang. They now lose their potency, so to speak, as they begin acceding to the female creating principle, which in
yin in nature. In its wake will be a return to the Divine Mother and its attendant female creating principle, which will re-absorb
(yin) all back into Herself, as a phenomenal experience relative to consciousness itself, which has been, heretofore, undergoing an
individuating process during the prior EC for the prior 12K years, 11,500 BC to 500 AD.
Regarding your question about the Roman empire, the nodes of Mars actually shifted into Aries/Libra somewhere around 5,500 BC.
This was, in fact, the time frame after the emergence of the patriarchy. Mars South Node in Libra, emphasizing giving, sharing and
including, which now moves towards what you have described, yet beginning much earlier in history, during the time when the
Neolithic agricultural communities (Indus Valley, Nile Valley, and Tigris/Euphrates River Valleys to name the most well known)
were growing larger and larger before they became established cultural and trade centers, around 3,000 to 2,500 BC.
By the way, the nodes of Mars finally phase out of the Mars cycle around 4,300 AD., the end of their 12K life cycle. Replacing them
are Mars S.Node in Capricorn and North Node in Cancer.interestingly enough their natural squares.
hanks for that greatly enlightening bigger picture.
You wrote:
"The 500 AD time is the point calculated by Sri Yuksteswar which marks the halfway point in the world cycle. According to the
Hindu model of the world cycle, called the Daiva yugas, there are two halves or what are called by them Electric Couples (EC), each
12K years long."
This is from the ages/sub-ages:

PISCES AGE: 100 B.C. - 2060 A.D

100BC - 10BC

Pisces

10BC - 80 AD

Aries

80 - 170

Taurus

170 - 260

Gemini

260 - 350

Cancer

350 - 440

Leo

440 - 530

Virgo

530 - 620

Libra

620 - 710

Scorpio

710 - 800

Sagittarius

800 - 890

Capricorn

890 - 980

Aquarius

I am not sure how important it is that I understand this. According to your post, the halfway point of the greater earth cycle we
are in is 500 a.d. - which is 600 years into the pisces age and at the point of the virgo era therein. One of my questions was
seeking a starting point for the greater cycle of ages.
I am not sure where to go with this in context of your last post; besides disregarding it and focusing on the known which you have
revealed.
And this is about understanding the symbolism of the planetary node cycles relative to the ages and sub ages...so, perhaps I am
getting off track with this question. From what you have shared, it appears that the transition from age of aries to pisces is not a
starting point at all. Is this correct?
thanks
Goddess Bless,
Bradley i Bradley,
Well this of course reflects a collision of views and opinions for a long time now in terms of the 'starting point', the place of
measurement called the point of Aries, against the constellations relative to the beginning and ending of the various Ages. In
Yukestwars 'system' his used the first point of Aries as aligned with a fixed star called Revati in the constellation of Aries. Thus,
using that star as the first point of Aries as measured against the vernal equinox there was twenty degrees of separation between
Revati and the vernal equinox as calculated in 1894 by the astronomers of that time. From there all of his calculations were then
made.
I am pretty sure that none of us here will be able to settle this ongoing dispute among many about whose systems of
measurements are the best, or most right. And that's because, in the end, there are so many variables within each of those
systems that to know for certain becomes, to me, impossible. To me this is all connected to evolution itself which means a
PROCESS wherein there is a mixture of cataclysmic events combined with uniform evolution. I would doubt for example that at any
point in the his/herstory of this Earth that anyone of a given day that another Age was beginning could say 'hey, today is the
beginning of a New Age based on what was actually happening on that specific day. A natural evolutionary process, to me, means
more of a morphing of of when Ages begin and end before things become crystal clear that, indeed, another Age is at hand. Thus,
this five hundred year 'discrepancy' between the Ages at any other point in time. And it does come down to this five hundred year
discrepancy when all the systems of measurement are considered. Thus, today, many astrologers feel that have already entered
into the Aquarius Age, or close to it, and others feel it is still about five hundred years from now.
Astrology itself is based on the natural science of correlation and observation instead of theory or hypothesis. So to me this then
means to use such a focus when looking at actual events through time. In other words what has actually taken place. But even
these various events that can be used as 'markers' are themselves linked with the natural evolutionary processes that have lead to
those specific events. For example when males within the human species realized that they had an equal role in making babies with
women, and how that was then a primary cause leading into what we call the patriarchy. In reality, there was no one day that one
could say 'yep, today is the beginning of the patriarchy'. It was a evolutionary process which would mean it took some time for that
knowledge to spread to all places on the Earth in that time. One could apply this five hundred year discrepancy to the table of Ages
and their sub-ages that we are using on this message board, moving all the various years five hundred years forwards, which would
then equal that the transition began in the Cancer time from 7,120 - 7,030 to 6,670 - 6,580. So that would then mean this
transition began during the Capricorn sub-age within the Cancer age at the time that the Cancer sub-sub age was taking place.
From the point of view of archetypes, Cancer/ Capricorn this would certainly correlate to the female and male genders supporting

that time for the transition. On the other hand, reverting back to the the times of the Ages and their sub-ages, as given, that
transition would have begun in the Sagittarius sub-sub age of the Capricorn sub-age within the Cancer age. The rationale ? The
shift then from Natural Laws, Sagittarius, as the way of humans living on this planet to man made, concocted, 'beliefs' that has had
the progressive affect of turning those Natural Laws upside down. And the cause of that shifting ? The biological fact of males being
equal partners in conceiving babies. And that then set in motion this transition from the matriarchy to the patriarchy and all the
'beliefs' that were concocted to rationalize and support that transition.
When I started this thread it was not my intention to detail this particular issue that we certainly will not be able to settle. It was to
focus on the planetary nodes, and their use in complete evolutionary analysis of a birth chart. Within that wanting to share this
remarkable fact and linkage of Pluto's nodes moving through all the signs, 24,000 years, and the Nodes of Mars taking that same
amount of time given that Mars in the lower octave of Pluto that instinctually acts upon the evolutionary impulses of Pluto itself.
Linda did a great job in succinctly putting it all together. When we simply settle on the fact, at least to me, that evolution is a
process that lead to a morphing of the Ages and their sub-ages then we can arrive at a more or less accurate understanding of the
evolutionary intentions and needs, orientations, at any point in time. Within this of course is the specific archetypes of the signs
that do remain constant: a Gemini archetype is a Gemini archetype for example. So if one has the S.Node of Venus in Gemini, for
example, the archetype of Gemini is a constant in terms of understanding that S.Node of Venus in that sign and then combining
that with the archetype of the house that it is also within: another constant. Then combining that with whatever aspects it is
making to other planets, archetypes, so as to see be able to see the whole picture. And then to do that with all the planetary
nodes: their North and South Nodes, the houses, the aspects, the current life position of any of the planets that connects to their
Nodes.
This will give a very accurate, and complete, evolutionary profile of any given Soul. And it is this, to me, that is most important to
ghe Nodes of Mars stay in 3 signs and their polarities for over 4,000 years because new evolutionary cycles begin at each segment,
where new directions are taken, and cardinal cycles of new evolutionary desires are initiated."
So, this mars nodal question is:
Since the nn of mars aries and sn of mars libra have been in those signs the longest, are they(the aries libra axis of mars node
transits) on their 3rd stage? Linda tied in the concept of cardinal, fixed, and mutable in this larger mars node picture. Originally, I
thought that this was seen in the 3 active signs, such that one is of each modality.
Now, understanding the mars nodal cycle more, there appears this natural trinity of the beginning, middle, and ending axis of the
active mar's nodal axis.

So, what I am asking is....are the gemini/sag archetypes(relative to nodes of mars) in a larger

evolutionary 'cardinal cylce' until 4,300 a.d. when the new initiating desires(cancer/cap) enter the cycle...so, at this time in the
future, the gemini/sag axis would then be in it's 'fixed'/middle phase.
Or, to say it another way, the gemini/sag nodal axis of mars - these desires would have been an initiating spark to evolutionary
intentions for so long that they(these types of desires - gemini/sag) are becoming more 'fixed' into the fabric of humanity/cultural
reality as longstanding desires that now eminate through all of reality by the time of approx. 4,300 a.d. when the next sign axis of
cancer/cap enters the mars nodal cycle - they, gemini/sag, are no longer in the 'new' cardinal phase of the trinity at this future
moment, within their own 12,000 year passage.
I do not mean to confuse the archetypal mutable nature of gemini/sag by casting a cardinal quality on them. 'Cardinal' in the sense
that they are the newest sign polarity in the trinity of mars node signs. So, in this sense, they are symbolic of relatively newer
initiating desires. Such that, by the time of 4,300 a.d. the gemini/sag polarity, relative to human desires will be so repetitively
manifested that it(desires of gemini/sag nature) then become "fixed" within the cultures of all life on the planet.
Does this question make sense? Is this grasping a concept or???

If I'm too off topic, I'll be happy to make effort to follow your lead.
Thanks
Understanding the planetary nodes in no different than understanding the nodes of the Moon. As we all know all planets have a
South and North Node. And, like the nodes of the Moon, they all have a past and a future that is experienced in each moment of
the current life, where that current moment is defined by the natal position of the planet in question. Thus, the past is always
shaping that moment, the natal planet, and the future is also shaping that moment by way of the Souls ongoing evolutionary
development into the future. Thus, the moment is but a reflection, and caused by, the evolutionary forces of the past and they
interface with the evolutionary forces of the future. That interface is what we then call the moment, the present moment.
So if we start with a simple example where Venus is in Capricorn, natally, and it has a S.Node in Sagittarius, and a N.Node in

Scorpio, we can then examine what the S.Node of Venus in Sagittarius correlates to in terms of the archetypal dimensions of it, and
how those prior life dynamics condition the current life placement of the Venus in Capricorn. The Venus in Capricorn will be a life
long symbol that serves the underlying evolutionary intentions of the Soul, and a symbol throughout life that will serve to
INTEGRATE the evolutionary forces of the past as they interface with the evolutionary forces of the future: the N.North Node of
Venus in Scorpio.
So if we remember that Venus correlates to our inner relationship to our self first, and then how this correlates to the external
relationships that we attract for our evolutionary needs, we can now examine what that past inner relationship was, and the types
of external relationships created because of that. We can then link this to the current life Venus in Capricorn, and how that is being
evolved through its N.Node in Scorpio. How would that S.Node of Venus shape the current life position of Venus, and in so doing
how is that Venus in Capricorn going to manifest in this life relative to the Soul defining its inner relationship to itself via the
Capricorn archetype ? And with the evolutionary forces of the future, symbolized by the N.Node in Scorpio how is that current life
inner relationship, symbolized by the Venus in Capricorn, being evolved through Scorpio ? What type of external relationships
would the combination of all of these evolutionary forces create ?
Obviously Venus has many other correlations. But, for the moment, I just want to keep it simple. And we will be building from this.
So please give it a go. I dont care if you are right or wrong. What is important is the effort That is indeed how we learn.ere is my
basic synopsis of the Venus in Capricorn person:
Past inner relationshipThe person had the freedom to live by natural law, if lived during matriarchal times, or believed strongly in religious mandated law.
The person would have been a seeker, intuitive, expansive in thought, philosophical in nature, and either physically large, grand,
or energetically so. And would have a desire to understand their known connection to the universe and explain it. They could have
knowledge of the cosmos, metaphysics...
External relationshipsIn their outer relationships they would either be impressing upon others their belief systems, probably charismatic too. Possibly
adventure to foreign countries to proselytize or they would mainly relate within communities or societies that adhered to those
beliefs.
I'm sure I can come up with more, but that's what I have for now.
Thanks Rad. I really appreciate this opportunity.
Kindly,
Wendy
Before everyone gets going with the first assignment, I have a question that's been brewing for a while.
Every planet/asteroid except the Sun has a south and north node, showing the journey the energy of the planet is undertaking from
the past to it's future, via the current house/sign location of the planet. The example we're most familiar with is the Moon with it's
south and north node. But Pluto (the soul itself) also has a south and north node and it too is on this same journey from it's past to
it's future. And you have explained this is true for all planets.
However for Pluto energy to evolve within one lifetime it must move towards it's polarity point, the opposite side of the zodiac. And
JWG also says this is true for Venus and Mars. So this raises a few questions for me ...
1. Does every planet have a "polarity point"? I know the point exists for every planet in a chart, simply by definition of the zodiac
being comprised of polar signs (Aries/Libra etc).
But is it true for every planet that for evolution to proceed the energy and functioning of the planet must move to the polarity
point?
2. And is it also true for the lights - the Sun and Moon?
For example: in the chart's core dynamics, moving from the Moon's south node to it's north node assists Pluto to move to it's own

polarity point. However, should the Moon also be moving towards it's own polarity point too?
and then finally ...
3. How is the movement from south to north nodes related to movement to polarity points?
For example we have the SN/Moon/NN and Pluto situation (which is also a crossover between one planet's nodes and another
planet's polarity point).
Is the relationship between nodal movement and polarity point movement confined to this specific situation? ....or is there a generic
relationship between nodal movement and polarity point movement?
Very astute questions. The answer is YES to every planet, or asteroid, having it's own polarity point that reflects an evolution of
the sign that the planet is in at birth. The South Node of a planet, or asteroid, set's up the natal position in the current life: it leads
to it. And that natal planet then has it's polarity point as a core evolutionary dynamic within it that, in turn, is progressively
actualized in the context of a lifetime through the N.Node of the planet itself. Thus, the polarity point in combination with the
N.Node both serve to evolve the existing dynamics of the South Node, and the ongoing integration point defined by the natal planet
itself. This all applies to the Moon as well. JWG did do a lecture on this at times, and there is a dvd available for sale to on the main
site called From Karma to Dharma that reflects this. the moment).
1. However I take it, since the Sun has no nodes ... in the natal chart it's the integration point, not of it's own past and future as
such like all the other planets (which have nodes), but more the integration point of the chart as a whole? - an integration point of
all the other integrations points (other planets) if you like.
2. And whether that is the case or not, does the Sun itself have a polarity point? Since it has no past or future defined by
movement from a South to a North node, is it a point in the chart that operates as a point relevant only to the present (our
conscious presence), from where, or through which, everything else (with it's past, present and future) is integrated? And thus in
itself is not a point needing to evolve in the same way the other planets do via movement from their south to north nodes?
Or does it also have within itself, as an evolutionary dynamic, the need to evolve to it's polarity point? And if so from where to
what, since it has no nodes to represent the "from where" and the "to what"? For example, does it just evolve within one lifetime to
it's polarity point, but not evolve as a sequential thread over many lifetimes like all the remaining planets do (shown within the
chart by movement from their south to north nodes).
and lastly ...
3. Because of what Pluto and the Moon represent in the chart ... Pluto being the Soul itself, and therefore the bottom line of the
chart in this lifetime, and the Moon being the egocentric structure created by Pluto to focus the Soul as a personality within a
person's physical / emotional / mental / psychological actuality in their current life ... the Moon and Pluto have an inherent,
predefined relationship.
Thus the nodes of the Moon, representing facilitators of the evolution of the Moon over lifetimes (from its south node to it's north
node), and helping the Moon to evolve in the current life by moving to it's polarity point, also represent factors in the past that
helped facilitate Pluto's arrival at its current location in the chart (Moon SN) and factors that in this current life will help facilitate
Pluto's evolution to it's own polarity point (Moon NN). This is in addition to Pluto's own nodes representing Pluto's past and future.
So there is a "special" relationship here between these two planets which is reflected in the way the Moon's nodes not only give
information about the Moon's evolution over many lifetimes (SN to NN) and it's evolution within the current lifetime (to it's polarity
point), but also to both of these evolutionary dynamics for/within Pluto too.
The evolutionary dynamics of both the Moon and Pluto are always inevitably linked, for these obvious reasons.
Is this the only case of this amongst the planets? For instance, take Mars, representing the changing conscious desires we have,
which come from the pool of unconscious desires for the lifetime held in the Soul, represented by Pluto. Here is another inherent
predefined relationship between two planets where they share different aspects of the same core evolutionary component (desires).
Do the south and north nodes of Mars also help in any way to facilitate Pluto moving to it's polarity point? And if so, are there still
other situations where this nodal/polarity point crossover also happens between two planets?

enus in Capricorn, Venus South Node in Sagittarius, Venus North Node in

Scorpio.
How would that S.Node of Venus shape the current life position of Venus,
and in so doing how is that Venus in Capricorn going to manifest in this
life relative to the Soul defining its inner relationship to itself via the
Capricorn archetype?

enus in Capricorn, Venus South Node in Sagittarius, Venus North Node in

Scorpio.
How would that S.Node of Venus shape the current life position of Venus,
and in so doing how is that Venus in Capricorn going to manifest in this
life relative to the Soul defining its inner relationship to itself via the
Capricorn archetype?

The South Node of Venus in Sagittarius, correlating to past lives patterns of

relationships defined by freedom to explore and discover the Souls truth, would
create an inner conflict for the Soul now having Venus en Capricorn. This conflict
would be caused because the Soul would be born through a family which would not
be defined by freedom to explore, but by a need to conform to social mainstream
ideas about life and the correct role and form of relationships. The expectations
that this type of family would have for this Soul would create a feeling of limitation
of the freedom the Soul was used to experience in prior lifetimes. If the Soul was
used to philosophically question any ideas or thoughts because of its need to
understand the wider connections between ideas and reality, the expectations
defining his current life family of birth would be to conform to those ideas or
thoughts just because they reflect the way most people think about life. He/she
would be expected to conform to a rigid set of ideas defining a code of conduct,
just because thats the way it is. The Soul would feel restricted and repressed,
feeling that he/she is expected to give up his true nature, his/her natural way of
relating to him/herself, in order to be accepted and loved. The Soul would feel that
there is something more, beyond the limited set of ideas and beliefs defining his/
her current natal environment, and would feel inwardly alienated from this natal
environment, though, at the same time, because of the Souls need to relate in
some way to the people in his/her current life situation, would try to adapt and
conform. The Soul would have desires to repress his/her natural pre-existing way
to relate to him/herself, in order to gain acceptance from his/her parents. Feelings
of guilt would be created not only because of the Souls initial refusal to accept the
dominant set of ideas or attitudes, but also because of the created desire to give
up what the Souls fees inwardly as natural. The Soul would feel alienated also
because he/she would be forced somehow to disconnect from what had defined
his/her relationship to him/herself and what provided him/her with a sense of
meaning and purpose in life.
And with the evolutionary forces of the future, symbolized by the N.Node
in Scorpio how is that current life inner relationship, symbolized by the
Venus in Capricorn, being evolved through Scorpio?

The North Node in Scorpio would be creating new relationship patterns for the Soul
to become independent from social expectations about how to relate to him/herself
and others. This would occur though creating a deep inner compression, a deep
inner focus allowing the Soul to examine the emotional and psychological reasons
why it has needed or is needing to conform to external expectations, and the
dynamics thereof. It would be allowing the Soul to validate the existing
contradiction and conflict that lies between its deep pre-existing orientation to
him/herself and to life in general including relationships to other people, and the
patterns created in his/her current lifetime because of the imprinting of the family
values and beliefs. Thus, the Soul would be uncovering childhood memories of how
what seemed and felt natural for him/herself become repressed, what he felt
emotionally under the circumstances at the parental environment and what where
the inner dynamics that lead to accepting and conforming to the parents
expectations, and by extension, to expectations of society of birth. He/she would
be able to discover how his/her survival instinct created a need to conform to
these external expectations, in order to receive acceptance and love and
conditional nurturing of some type. At the same time, through validating his own
inner experience and natural orientation, and the experiences that lead to
repressing that natural orientation to him/self, the Soul would be creating a desire
to become totally independent from any external source of validation, acceptance
and feedback. Because of the displaced emotions that the Venus in Capricorn
family of birth created for the Soul, the Venus North Node in Scorpio would now be
allowing the Soul to uncover the emotional dynamics that these projected

emotionally under the circumstances at the parental environment and what where
the inner dynamics that lead to accepting and conforming to the parents
expectations, and by extension, to expectations of society of birth. He/she would
be able to discover how his/her survival instinct created a need to conform to
these external expectations, in order to receive acceptance and love and
conditional nurturing of some type. At the same time, through validating his own
inner experience and natural orientation, and the experiences that lead to
repressing that natural orientation to him/self, the Soul would be creating a desire
to become totally independent from any external source of validation, acceptance
and feedback. Because of the displaced emotions that the Venus in Capricorn
family of birth created for the Soul, the Venus North Node in Scorpio would now be
allowing the Soul to uncover the emotional dynamics that these projected
expectations are creating in his/her adult relationships.
What type of external relationships would the combination of all of these
evolutionary forces create?
The Soul would be have the possibility to become responsible for these dynamics
as they exist in his/her current relationships, and to reduce emotional expectations
from any external source. By way of deeply validating and accepting his/own inner
nature, the Soul would be creating desires to become emotionally independent
though cultivating his own inner relationship with him/herself. Validating the
reality of his/her nature that was repressed at childhood, the Soul would be also
able to analyze the emotional and psychological limitations defining the reality of
his/her birth environment and of people in general. The Venus North Node in
Scorpio would be re-igniting the desire to merge with something much larger than
consensus based values. The North Node in Scorpio would be allowing the Soul to
unlock the inner child. Because natal Venus is in Capricorn, this would occur within
the context of the Souls created reality of relationships. The feelings of
responsibility would dictate the desire for the Soul to gradually translate his/her
ongoing discovery of emotional and psychological nature, to his current life
situations and relationships. Thus, the Soul would be inwardly expanding his own
relationship to him/herself while maintaining the socially defined role he/she has
created for his/her life. The deep emotional and psychological understanding that
he Soul would be gaining about his own emotional dependency from external
acceptance and validation, and of others emotional reality, would lead the Soul to
understand how the consensus based reality is emotionally supported, and why
people has come to create something like this, ie. the nature of parental
conditioning in general, as a way to repress that which is natural. The Soul would
be developing a sense of compassion for people in general, because he/she would
understand from self-experience how they have come to be defined in a so
restrictive way. The Soul would have the possibility of recovering his inner
freedom, and at the same time could develop the desire to contribute to society
through helping others to recover and heal their emotional nature.

And looking at the nodes of those other planets (all except the Sun), we can see how the Soul has gone about facilitating itself in
this way in the past, and also it's intentions for doing so in the future. A natural tension arises between the past that's been and the
future that is ahead of us, and this is felt and able to be integrated at the current placement of these planets. This tension is
integrated by embracing the polar opposite realm of experience and understanding (polarity point) of each planet as consciously as
possible. Conscious striving in this way towards our potential is what causes each area and aspect of ourselves (shown by the the
planets themselves in their current placements) to grow and evolve.
And that the relationship between the Soul (Pluto) and our subconscious identity (Moon - it's egocentric structure) that is created
each lifetime, reflects the core mechanism that we unconsciously create from within our Soul to enable a sense of self in our daily
life, albeit usually a subconscious one. And we look at the Moon's nodes to get information over time about this identity/facilitation
process the Soul keeps creating for itself.
This subconscious sense of identity is itself not a static position. It too is in a state of tension caused by the pull of the past and
continuity (strengthening this sense of self) and the need to keep moving out of our comfort zone into a new unknown sense of self
(Moon polarity point). It needs to do this to accomodate the inevitable changes that are brought about in our life as a result of the
deep (and relatively unconscious) urge within us to evolve (Pluto) propelling us towards our deepest growth possible in this lifetime
(Pluto's polarity point).
And that the relationship between Pluto, and Mars and it's nodes, reflects where the Soul is at within itself in regard to it's creating

desires to act on. The activation of these desires is what sets in motion all the other energies (all the remaining planets/asteroids
with nodes) in the chart, with their inbuilt role to play in facilitating the ongoing evolution of the Soul. We look at the nodes of Mars
and these other planets/asteroids, to get information about how these conscious desires and the particular roles of the other
planets in the Soul's evolution, roles that has been created by the Soul in the first place, are all manifesting over time.
This whole process ... starting in the relatively unconscious Soul (Pluto) manifesting as a subconscious awareness of identity and
self which imparts a sense of continuity (Moon) ... is initiated by the choice to evolve at the Soul level. This (relatively unconscious)
choice to evolve, then manifests as multiple conscious desires that we are aware of in our lives. And these evolutionary intentions/
desires that originated from our unconscious (Soul) are registered at a subconscious (Moon) and conscious (Sun) level via urges to
act (Mars - lower octave of Pluto), and this mobilises all the other energies in our life (planets in the chart other than Pluto/Moon/
Sun) ...
... this whole process is integrated by our (relatively) much more conscious sense of being (the Sun) - in the realm of life shown by
the Sun's house, with the dispostion and needs of the sign the Sun is in. The conscious expression and integration of ourself (Sun)
evolves within this realm (house) with more developed understanding (sign) as these desires emanating from our unconscious
(Pluto) are acted upon and experienced over time (shown by all the nodes).
The resistance generated by the past (shown by the south nodes) - to fulfilling the intentions arising from within our Soul (Pluto)
and thus manifesting our future possibilities (north nodes) - is broken down and dissolved when we choose out of free will to grow
into the unknown (our polarity points). And in doing so, our future (shown by the north nodes) then becomes actualised, and this
consciousness through which we integrate everything that we are aware of (the Sun), then expands. In this way the Soul affects
it's evolution.
I hope this is correct.
ell, I ran nodal conjunction(for venus) in -1000(1000 b.c.) which is at 21 taurus(when sn pulls ahead)
Then, in 1000 a.d. this same phenomena is at 8 gemini.
Based on this, I'm approximating 117.64 years for a degree of movement.
This times 30 degrees, and we arrive at an approximate passage of venus's nodal conjunctions through a sign in about 3530 years
or so.
From what i can tell, the first time venus nodal conjuctions started in gemini was around 200 a.d.
If this is a relatively constant motion(which I'm doubting) and we go back 3530 years, that means the scorpio taurus conjunctions
of venus were roughly between 3330 b.c. to 200 a.d.
This places, following this timeframe, the aries libra conjunctions of venus' nodes from 6860 b.c. to 3530 a.d.
Relative to the mars nodal cycle, you wrote:
"Any given sign with its polarity that becomes active within the Mars cycle remains active for 12,000 years at a time, where it then
becomes phased out by another in the zodiac sequence."
and also:
"This pattern continues, the trinity of South Node in Libra, Scorpio, Sag and North Node Aries, Taurus, Gemini, until about 4,300
AD. Then Mars South Node Libra, North Node Aries phases out and shifts to South Node Capricorn and North Node Cancer."
and also:
"Regarding your question about the Roman empire, the nodes of Mars actually shifted into Aries/Libra somewhere around 5,500
BC."
so, from 7,700 b.c. to 4,300 AD is 12,000 years...so, how is it that the nodes of mars actually shifted into aries/libra around 5,500
bc?
Based on my limited understanding of this, it would appear both the nodes of mars and venus were active in aries/libra at the time
of the cultural transition into the patriarchal era. Is this right?

Thank you kindly for answering these questions.

with love,
Goddess Bless,

Bradley
I don't think I am understanding how you are trying to put together this cycle of Venus and it's nodes. Plus, the Venus cycle is very
different than the Mars cycle. The S. and N Nodes of Venus actually conjunct every year. This year it will be on Dec 8th in
Sagittarius.
From approximately 8,000 B.C. to 4,500 B.C the Nodes of Mars were at the bottom of the trinity of the three signs then. From
4,500 B.C to 500 B.C. there were in the middle of trinity then, and then from 500 B.C. until 4,300 A.D. there are at the top.
Bradley, I just don't have time to keep going through all the math to arrive at these things. I am very busy. Would I would like to
do is to focus on the planetary nodes themselves in terms of peoples actual lives.
Here's an attempt at south node Venus in Sagittarius, natal Venus in Capricorn
and north node Venus in Scorpio:
In the past this soul's inner relationship was based on natural ways of being. This
soul would hear her own voice as a natural part of the diversity of all life on the
planet, and would be part of a group of others that lived in this way. Her way of
experiencing all life would be governed by beliefs about what is seen in nature,
and whatever her community understood about how to live with whatever
naturally lived around them. For example if she lived with a northern tribe that
survived by migrating with the growth of vegetation and following the caribou she
and her tribe would have an intimate way of relating and listening to plants,
caribou, wolves and weather patterns.
With that past coming into the current Venus in Capricorn this soul would be
adapting her way of listening to accommodate a structure that would require her
to control her way of being to accommodate social order. She would be in a life
that would require her to conform her values to the authority of tradition,
regardless of whether she authentically shared those values. She would be
internally pressured to still hear her natural ways but adapt them, or evolve them
to fit the structure of society. I am thinking of someone like Beatrix Potter, who
clearly felt an affinity with nature, and although she was widely criticised by
Victorian culture for being a woman author and unmarried, she managed to be a
successful artist and author by

"listening" to the animals and beauty of nature

around her and sharing that in her books.

In Capricorn, the soul would be doing the groundwork of deconditioning the beliefs
around hearing what is natural in ONLY the context it is familiar with, and learning
to surrender those beliefs that the so that the soul can adapt and hear natural
truth anywhere.

So as the soul moves from the northern tribe wilderness (sag) to

pastoral Victorian English society (cap)in my example, she is learning to find value
and beauty in her own inner realm, that she can then find and share in her
relationships.
The Venus in scorpio north node is the future for her learning to surrender her
conditioning completely to a higher power. She will be challenged in her trust of
the inner resources available to her. She will understand surrender and adaptation
from the decondition/conditioning of capricorn but in scorpio it will be to a higher
power that she will learn to trust . Of course her CHOICE of what to value within,
and in others will be highlighted, so she could make the choice for many other
sources of power here and have many problems related to fearing or
misunderstanding what she needs to allow to die in her so that her God'desscommitted self can emerge. She will begin to understand the depth and intensity
of committment that is required to let go and merge with what is naturally true,
and have that be her power.
Ok so I will end here...
The nodes have just lighted up the dynamic nature of consciousness for me. wow.
Thank you, Heather

The N.Node is the future that informs the moment just as is the S.Node
also informing that moment. Thus, the natal planet is the constant that
allows for an integration for the past and the future in each moment. The
combination of the past and the future in the moment then allows for an
evolution to take place that in integrated by the natal planet throughout
one's life. Remember that the signs and houses contain within themselves
a spectrum of archetypal correlations. And it is that totality within any
sign or house, the spectrum of possibilities, that is then evolved because
of the evolutionary pull of the future as that future meets the past in each
moment.
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A wonderful effort at analyzing this paradigm Heather. What you have written is
completely within the realm of archetypal possibilities in this paradigm.
God Bless, Rad

South Node of Venus in Sagittarius

Natal Venus in Capricorn
North Node of Venus in Scorpio
Natal Venus in Capricorn is a life-long symbol that serves the underlying evolutionary desires and intentions that emanate from the
Soul. It acts as the integration point where the interface between the past (SN of Venus in Sagittarius) and the future (NN of
Venus in Scorpio) is experienced in each moment of the current life.
The past, as symbolized by the South Node of Venus in Sagittarius, gives us an idea of the conditioning that created the reality of
Venus in Capricorn in the current life. Therefore, we need to understand historical cycles such as the matriarchy in which all people
lived in harmony with natural laws, and the patriarchy when those natural laws became suppressed and distorted.
The Soul would also have transitioned through the patriarchy, when the suppression and distortion of natural law lead to the
creation of man-made beliefs, and the subjugation of women and nature. The suppression of what was natural on a subconscious
level turned to domination, competition and self-interest.
In the transition to the present time, the Soul with Venus in Capricorn correlates to learning how to apply natural laws in the
context of the present times.
Examine the archetypal dimensions of the South Node of Venus in Sagittarius
An examination of the archetypal dimensions of the South Node of Venus in Sagittarius reveals the past conditioning of the Soul
when it lived on a communal basis within tribes, cultures or societies that were in harmony with natural laws. All life-forms within
Nature were understood to be co-equal and interdependent, and considered to be God. Nature itself, which included plants and
animals, was the teacher.
The Souls conditioning in the area of relationships between matriarchal men and women was patterned according to the natural
world. Sexuality was experienced as sacred and in complete harmony with natural laws. Evolutionarily, through natural law, it was
crucial that women were available to many men so that the species could create enough diversity to survive. Therefore there was
no marriage or monogamy. The matriarchal way of life correlated to the archetype of Sagittarius in that the Souls consciousness
was aware of being connected, beyond the Earth, to a much larger universe.
Examine how the prior life dynamics condition the current life placement of Venus in Capricorn
Prior life dynamics, which basically meant living in harmony with natural laws, condition the current life Venus in Capricorn by
bringing awareness of issues related to relationships, marriage, monogamy, sexuality, diversity, different cultures, different classes,
societal role, women's rights, women in positions of self-authority and power, the environment, and learning how to apply natural

laws in the context of the present life.

Examine the past inner relationship to the self, and the types of external relationships created because of that
The past inner relationship to the self was defined by an unrestricted search for meaning and purpose which determined the Souls
philosophy of life. The Souls personal truths, connected to the greater Universe, form the core value and meaning for her life. She
is firmly right-brain in orientation, intuitive and optimistic.
Resonating inwardly to the need for philosophical meaning allows the Soul to discriminate who she will be involved with intimately
and generally. She has a deep need to defend her beliefs since they bring meaning to her life. Any external challenges to those
beliefs bring a loss of meaning and purpose. She would choose relationships where there was intellectual and philosophical
stimulation, and a mutual commitment to personal growth.
How does the SN of Venus in Sagittarius link to and shape the current life position of Venus in Capricorn?
The inner search for meaning was thwarted or restricted from an early age. The Soul was expected to conform to the parents
value system. The psychological and emotional reality of the current life Venus in Capricorn is based on unmet needs in childhood
resulting in displaced emotions and a fear of vulnerability. She cannot relate her own personal truths to the parents value system,
therefore feels alienated from them.
Furthermore, she cannot relate to society since the nature of authority has become distorted. Her intuitive, right brain orientation
does not sit well with the parents, so their judgment and rejection results in feelings of guilt. Her natural search for truth
becomes suppressed until she can break free later in life.
Relationships in her life are characterized by the search for partners or friends who will not challenge her beliefs which give her life
meaning. She could attract people who are quite ambitious and controlling, or very emotionally needy types who subconsciously
feel safe in being dominated and controlled. She could project her own authority onto others by way of rigid intellectual and
philosophical structures, to feel secure.
Since she has a natural urge for personal growth, she eventually finds a special kind of person to unlock her feelings. In examining
her early patterns, she would wish to be free of them.
How is that Venus in Capricorn going to manifest in this life relative to the Soul defining its inner relationship to itself via the
Capricorn archetype?
The Souls inner relationship to herself could be shaped by the psychology of futility, pessimism or self-defeat. She learned to
protect her feelings because her needs were not supported or nurtured by her parents. Emotional control is a survival instinct. The
emotional reality is of deep insecurity, timidity, shyness, fearfulness, displacement, suppression and distortion.
The SN of Venus in Sagittarius would influence personal growth in terms of intellectual and philosophical expansion. Her perpetual
search for truth and meaning in conjunction with the Ultimate Truth would lead to slowly opening up to inner freedom, expression
of playfulness and enthusiasm, and the exploration of the diversity of life.
Her personal truth, relative to liberating from societal and parental conditioning patterns to conform, will be actualized by selfdetermination. The false persona will be removed, so that the actual truth will be revealed.
How is the current life inner relationship, symbolized by Venus in Capricorn, being evolved through NN of Venus in Scorpio?
The Soul is facing her own personal limitations in order to evolve beyond them. She desires to merge with higher universal sources
of power to bring about personal growth and evolution. From a psychological point of view, she is able to penetrate into herself
through a very reflective and deep consciousness, to understand the nature of societal and parental imprinting. She is able to
make a commitment to evolve out of the past patterns of behaviour or conditioning. The process of cyclic death, rebirth and
regeneration are embraced as a natural part of life, a natural truth, which gives her life meaning and purpose.
What type of external relationships would the combination of all of these evolutionary forces create?
She would be free to make choices as to her external relationships. She could seek many very deep and intense relationships
where she finds fulfillment for her earthy sexuality and need for touch. Since she is aware of her limitations, she would have a
strong desire to merge, sexually or otherwise, with others who hold a higher source of power in terms of social position or

knowledge.

She could become a well-known teacher of metaphysics or philosophy, or perhaps a psychologist or counselor

committed to helping others to grow past their limitations. She could also act as an advocate for wildlife for example, tuning in and
listening to the guidance of Mother Earth, and applying natural laws in the context of the present times.
Bottom-line Statement: Inwardly, s/he values self determination, ambition, and actualizing ones goals. These are all shaped by
the beliefs/knowing/inner truth that the soul comes into the life with. These beliefs/knowing/inner truth, at a core level, allow the
self to give definition and function to societys philosophy/cosmology/religion. The inner relationship to the self, and inner truth is
conditioned in this life by parental and societal teachings of right and wrong. There is an evolutionary need to confront the
inherent limitations of self imposed judgements and definitions which resulted from conditioning in this life of the souls life
orientation/beliefs/knowing that was carried forth from previous evolutionary stages.
The south node of Venus in Sagittarius correlates to the previous lifetimes of relating to oneself in a philosophical,metaphysical,
natural, religious, cosmological, intuitive way. The actual nature of this is determined by the souls evolutionary stage. For
example, in the consensus stage, the soul would have, in previous lifetimes valued and been attracted to things and people which
explained the larger meaning and context for the mundane. Inwardly, at this evolutionary stage, the soul is valuing something that
gives meaning to the cycles of life and ways of the world. At this consensus stage, the teachings which would be the foundation for
how s/he related to his/her self would be the consensus religious or way of life, depending on the era, culture, etc.
At the individuated stage, the sn sag of venus is seen in the individuals own search for meaning to life outside of the consensus
world views and religious of the linked past lifetimes. They come in valuing principles and laws that explain how life works.
Relative to the souls perspective and era on earth, this could mean an atheist for example. In our current world, this type of core
belief is common, especially in the heart of individuated and the apparent lack of God in the world.
And, of course, for the soul in the spiritual evolutionary state, they come into life having previously established a deep and broad
knowing of self in relation to the divine.
All of these dynamics, of course, most also be applied to actual houses to gain further insight, aspects to, etc.
Venus in Capricorn is naturally reserved, controlled, and cautious about its feeling - and by extension, the ways it relates and
shares with others.

Venus in Cap also symbolizes conditioning of the ways to be in relationships.

Most likely, s/he has

encountered in this life judgements about what is right and wrong, both from parental figures as well as socially. This leads into a
potential to suppress natural feelings and to judge oneself for what one naturally feels and is attracted to. Relative to the sn sag of
Venus, it is likely that ones natural truth will be either suppressed or a key motivating factor to self discipline. Again, it depends on
the nature of the soul. A bottom line statement would be that their own inner truth, which they were naturally born with, will be
put into definition and given a socially functional meaning in this lifetime. Definitions, by their nature, are limiting. The past
conceptual understanding of life, whatever it was/is, had evolved for a specific evolutionary purpose. Now, s/he relates to putting
the meaning of life into a definition. This definition, whatever it evolves to be, will become a limiting factor relative to her/his
relationship with her/his self, and by extension, all relationships. Regardless of the evolutionary stage, there is a need to evolve
and continue to grow at a core level. The evolutionary purpose is to metamorphosis the core inner truths that have solidified into a
limiting definition of how life works. There was nothing wrong with the truth that s/he had inwardly self realized. What the
symbols are saying is that the implied limits, internalized from external conditioning, have shaped his/her inner truth into a certain
definition which will, by its nature, limit and restrict growth inwardly, and therefore, also in his/her relationships. Hence, the nn
scorpio implies the evolutionary need for confrontation in this life. Also, this can be a symbol for the evolutionary necessity of
betrayal and abandonment. Why? Because these types of events will force this soul to go outside its limited perspective and inner
orientation.
I do not mean to say the venus in cap relative to its sn sag alone implies that this person was born with an inner restricted world
view. This part is relative to the evolutionary stage and could manifest in a multitude of ways. Again, the key implied by the nn
venus in scorpio, relative to venus cap/sn sag is that how they are relating to themselves is conditioned by their pre-existing inner
truths and the conditioning of their current lifes parents/society. The implied limiting factor could be a repressed part of their
natural intuition. In this example, a confrontation or betrayal could catalyze the inner questioning that will allow the repressed
parts of them self to resurface.
An example of key external relationships in past lives is student teacher type. Again, if we are talking about consensus stage, this
could simply mean an uncle who put things into perspective for them. Through these types of relationships, s/he would have then
internalized the value of placing the happenings of life into context with the larger context of life. If we follow this example into the
current life, in the current era, we would expect the conditioning of consensus morals to heavily impact his/her own self
judgements. Coming from a sn sag, these morals would be given inner meaning as s/he naturally ties them to the consensus
religion of the culture of birth. It would be easy to see this even manifesting as morally ethic business person who holds a
religions teaching of what is right and wrong at the core of business relationships. Again, even in this example, it is easy to see
that there is a limiting factor to the inner orientation. S/he would stagnate, that is stay with the same beliefs and values, limit and
control the relationships they keep based on those of similar value. This example shows again, that self growth is limited by the
nature of the life they are living. The relationships they form would be ones which support their current orientation. So, the nn
scorpio symbolizes again, the need for an external confrontation to push them to evolve beyond the crystallized self definition.

Clearly, in our times, it is easy to see how this consensus stage example would have repressed natural feelings, therefore a
distorted inner relationship with oneself. The nn is the symbolic force that is bringing in external relationships that would push this
soul to question their deepest beliefs and sense of right and wrong. With the scorpio nn, one example of an external relationship
that would trigger cataclysmic evolution would be a powerful attraction to someone outside their primary relationship. This
situation would force a inner crisis. Now, the natural feelings could be totally repressed and the soul may have to live lifetimes
before they reach a place of non judgement regarding the natural feelings that they have. The symbolism and evolutionary
intention in there, regardless of the state the soul is in and how long it takes to grow and evolve beyond the current definition of
self.
One more example: this is a soul at spiritual evolutionary stage. Regarding external relationships, s/he would naturally attract
others who have a cosmological orientation, yet are also more reserved with sharing feelings.

This could appear to others as

someone who has dry and boring relationships, seeing as their is no point for this soul to gossip and openly share feelings about
so and so and this and that. This soul would naturally gravitate to relationships with more mature and advanced spiritual teacher
types. The nn scorpio can symbolize here the evolutionary need for a committed partner, whom through sustained intense shared
love making would be inwardly confronting the feeling parts of their self that had become suppressed, repressed, and dormant
below the surface. In this example, the external relationship of a committed sexual union would bring much more self growth than
the comfortable hanging out with the mature spiritual teacher.
I just finished this amendment to the first part of the assignment, and now see
you've initiated the next assignment.
I felt it worthwhile to still share the rest of this...

Part II: Planetary Nodes Assignment Venus: Sag --> Cap --> Scorpio
Here are some additional dynamics after reading the corresponding Venus sections
in Pluto II
Sn Sag Venus comes from a place of inner freedom which is in potential conflict to
natal Cap Venus - that is to say the conditioning factors which limit, inhibit, and
judge the inner spirit of freedom and growth. The nn Scorpio implies the needed
confronting of the limitations of the conditioning and taught definition of reality.
Both the Capricorn and Scorpio archetypes share an inward movement.

This

suggests when this soul is stuck s/he needs to actually increase the inner
compression upon oneself - by actually going deep enough (scorpio) into the past
(cap) one can unlock the inherent inner truth of who they are(sag).
The symbols of Capricorn and Scorpio also implies that s/he is learning to relate to
oneself in an emotional way.

There is a need for intimacy which can slowly

dissolve the cold and frozen guarded emotional nature. Once there is trust and
deep intimacy with a partner, s/he will reveal how s/he is actually quite carefree
and humorous inside.
They can also begin to express their true natural feelings and the limitations of the
conditioned gender roles they have been taught to play out. (this varies greatly
based on evolutionary stage and actual parental/cultural/societal reality)
The symbolism of Venus coming from Sag, in Cap, and moving toward Scorpio
raises the question: Does the parental and Social reality allow for the freedom of
inner growth? a connection to ones own inner truth and sense of link to larger
truths?

Here is an example to illustrate this point-

Christianity has existed in many many forms - how does one tell, as soul is
conditioned by this religion, that there current conditioning would provide the
framework for growth within their current definition of reality?
To answer this, first of all the natal Capricorn Venus does imply the conditioning in
this life is going to be rules to live by which block their inherent expansive
nature. However, we also need to consider the type of Christianity as well as the
evolutionary stage and the overall nature of the soul. For example, the bible
would be taught to define the rights and wrongs and would be exemplified by the
religious upbringing.

The bible itself, as the end all book of God, would be

potentially seen as limiting or inhibiting deeper growth. Such a soul may naturally
seek out further teachings and discover lost books of the bible which contain key
pieces to incomplete aspects of biblical teachings. (sn sag) In this example, the
soul went deeper into Christianity and found a way to grow and expand upon the
inner truths which s/he had intuited were missing from the version presented by

framework for growth within their current definition of reality?

To answer this, first of all the natal Capricorn Venus does imply the conditioning in
this life is going to be rules to live by which block their inherent expansive
nature. However, we also need to consider the type of Christianity as well as the
evolutionary stage and the overall nature of the soul. For example, the bible
would be taught to define the rights and wrongs and would be exemplified by the
religious upbringing.

The bible itself, as the end all book of God, would be

potentially seen as limiting or inhibiting deeper growth. Such a soul may naturally
seek out further teachings and discover lost books of the bible which contain key
pieces to incomplete aspects of biblical teachings. (sn sag) In this example, the
soul went deeper into Christianity and found a way to grow and expand upon the
inner truths which s/he had intuited were missing from the version presented by
parents and society. They would then have to confront the aspect of their self
which was conditioned to judge this questioning the word of God - (nn scorpio)
meaning, due to the conditioning, all along a voice inside their self is judging them
self as wrong and feeling a resulting sense of guilt at first by stepping outside the
taught moral right and wrong. Once having followed thru with this leap of faith
and thereby changing the structure of their consciousness, they would then also
have to face eternal confrontations in the relationships of parents, family
members, members of there church, etc. Yet, based on these symbols, we as
astrologers would know it was simply in their very nature of their inner
relationship with how they define life to allow for room for searching, growing, and
expanding upon ones inner beliefs.
Now, if the nature of this soul is overall Saturnian/Consensus, then the outer
relationships will be made with others in the consensus who inwardly also
approach consensus religion in the same way - such that they too inwardly
resonate with inner truth and freedom of self. Thus, a common ground would be
the aspects of reality that define living a life of expansive carefree living. Sadly for
me to say, this could simply, in this example, mean the embracing of the
american dream which is actualized thru the reality of capitalism...at least this
would potentially be the consensus belief.
Sag is humor, Cap is quite known for dry humor - inwardly seeing the light at the
end of the shackles.
Sag alone seeks solutions instead of problems, while Capricorn Venus can be
getting potentially quite pessimistic regarding the outcome. This comes out as a
type who shares a dismal optimism or even strong outward judgements and
negativity while inwardly seeking answers - quite confusing to be around if you
didnt know this person.
On the flip side, Cap is also potentially highly motivated, so we could also have
someone who is quite ambitious at making it work, facing obstacles with optimism
and perseverance.
Sag can be quite blunt, Cap can be so coldly as a matter of fact - the result is the
potential to hurt anothers feelings - and then the scorpio confrontation.
This can be coming from Sags generalization of truth - that is applying their inner
personal truth to everything - thru Capricorn where these beliefs materialize into
judgements of right and wrong. Through the polarity of each of these signs, we
see the evolution of this pattern - such that once they discover the fact that each
persons own truth is right for them(gemini) and that what they are really seeking
is the security in a relationship in which they can share all their stuffed away
feelings, unorganized and chaotic as they naturally are(cancer), they dissolve this
tendency to coldly judge others from a place of inner inadequacy.
If the sn Venus Sag symbolizes a self compensation for inadequacy, the
evolutionary purpose of Venus Cap is to clearly define and spell out their individual
beliefs. Of course, they also need to overcome the distortions of what truth is
because of being conditioned(raised) by others who hold different inner truths.
This person, sexually, is going to run into inner and thus outer(relationship/
partner) conflicts. Sn Sag is quite carefree and does not care about the socially
assigned gender roles. This past relationship to them self also wants spontaneity
and adventure in general, and also sexually. Now we have the Venus in Capricorn
currently, who may easily fall into routines and roles, yet inwardly be driven crazy
because of the boringness of their relationship and sexual life. They are going to
need a partner who understands how to warm them up, and melt the controlled
projected persona which all to often remains in control. Once past this, there is a
safe place for the spontaneity they feel to be played out, there is the emotional
security to loose control(slowly) - thereby access all the locked up emotions they
have held in for so long. This is the piece about Capricorn actually wanting chaos -

This person, sexually, is going to run into inner and thus outer(relationship/
partner) conflicts. Sn Sag is quite carefree and does not care about the socially
assigned gender roles. This past relationship to them self also wants spontaneity
and adventure in general, and also sexually. Now we have the Venus in Capricorn
currently, who may easily fall into routines and roles, yet inwardly be driven crazy
because of the boringness of their relationship and sexual life. They are going to
need a partner who understands how to warm them up, and melt the controlled
projected persona which all to often remains in control. Once past this, there is a
safe place for the spontaneity they feel to be played out, there is the emotional
security to loose control(slowly) - thereby access all the locked up emotions they
have held in for so long. This is the piece about Capricorn actually wanting chaos for the world of the inner emotional reality is the polar opposite of the controlled
orderly outer constructed role and they have been taught to be. It would be like
taking off a mask for them. Finally, they can breath and naturally be who they are
- their authentic self without the fear of rejection and judgement.
The Venus in Capricorn person, having yet to grow beyond the damaging influence
of parental conditioning, will typically have one of two basic orientations to self
and therefore others:
First, a response to dominant, authoritative parents is to shy away, suppress
natural expression, and be generally inward and quiet. This type will typically seek
out a partner who is outwardly successful, yet just as inwardly frozen and
unavailable. They have basically attracted their parent type.
The Second would be the authoritarian type, one who takes every opportunity to
outwardly express their own sense of control and authority on their relationships.
This type attracts someone who is emotionally needy and needs a parent-like
partner to keep them in line.
This second type, relative to the sn venus sag, would be acting out on their own
sense of authority due to an inner lack with in - back to the inadequacy from the
past being carried forward - and now amplifying their own sense of I'm right and
they are wrong So, in this type, we can see extremes of judgement - they have
this larger vision and the rest of the stupid people fail to see the bigger picture.
This type of orientation will point to this soul not having evolved relative to the sn
Venus Sag from their past.

The missed lesson in this case is that others

perspective is right for them, just as their own point of view is right for them self.
Guess they missed the point on that one!(joke)
Now, the Venus in Capricorn type also is known to carry an unresolved grief, to be
in a state of perpetual mourning - relative to the sn sag - ha ha ha I'm sooo sad.
For real though, this south node of Venus in Sag will trace this unresolved grief
back to their past life(a past life or lives) in which they experience a great deal of
suffering and destruction around them because of religious upheavals and
persecution and/or the tragic results of natural disasters including plagues,
famine, and the likes. It is possible that they were in a survival state because of
their beliefs and religion. Or, vise versa, in which case they may carry a large
amount of guilt because of their past involvement. Again, the response could be i
now deserve to suffer masochist or, when they need to control and dominate we
see the angry sadist response. Or both.
The Venus in Capricorn sense of going backward to go forward coupled with the
evolutionary path of Scorpio, again suggests deepening the intensity of inner soul/
self searching to find the place where the original wounding occurred. The inner
child(cancer polarity point) was robbed of a full natural childhood and had the
standards and judgements of an adult reality put on from an early age. So, there
is an evolutionary need to confront internally the memory of when this occurred
and what their inherent natural self was prior to this.

Once done, they will

metamorphosize into a true expression of who they are. They will still of course
play the adult game of life but they will also have unshackled their inner child
which now realizes it need not face judgement for its natural feelings and
emotions.

Goddess Bless,
Bradley

which now realizes it need not face judgement for its natural feelings and
emotions.

Goddess Bless,
Bradley

Here's my interpretation of the first paradigm:

sn of Venus in Sag,
Venus in Cap
nn of Venus in Scorpio:
The general evolutionary implications of any south node of Venus relates to how a soul has come to listen to its own needs, how it
has come to value and locate its core resources, how it has found personal meaning and worth in its own life.
This south node of Venus is in Sagittarius, correlated to a soul that has established a relationship with itself, come to find personal
meaning for its life, has established self-worth for itself through seeking to understand who it is from a larger, intuitive,
cosmological point of view.
This signature implies that this soul has identified either particular beleifs, philosophies, religions, ways of understanding the
totality of life, or perhaps has lived many lifetimes in the context of natural law, nature herself, or enviroments that lived in
relationship with natural forces. All of this would have signified the spiritual resources that have enabled this soul to define and
understand who it is.
As is the nature of Venus, from the Taurean piont of view, this soul may easily be limited by the particular beleifs, philosophies etc
that it has come to identify. Thus this soul may be highly identified, fixated, and stubbornly insistant (Venus) with the spiritual,
intelectual, philosphical resources it has come to believe in (Sag).
This signature then implies that this soul would have been attracted to other souls that reflect a similar orientation to understanding
the nature of creation. The nature of these relationships would have been a direct reflection of the inner belief structures that have
been established by this soul. Thus, the possibility for having created relationships that bring up philosophical confrontations, or in
another way, relationships with other souls who have shared in an intuitive and authentic lifestyle that was in harmony with natural
law.
Practically, this information has more relevant value to us when related to the current life Venus in Capricorn. The core inner
relationship orientation of Venus in Capricorn is to establish personal self worth through aligning with its own inner authority. There
is an immense awareness and sensitivity to the status quo of one's culture, as this soul with Venus in Capricorn is acutely aware of
its social participation, and thus what is appropriate and what is not appropriate. On one hand this soul can easily repress its own
sexual and physical needs (Venus) on the basis of social judgement. This can easily lead to a distorted psychology whereby this
soul will literally need to find ways just to connect with its body.
When this is read through the filter of the past life implications of the south node of Venus in Sag, we are looking specifically at a
belief structure that has given rise to a particular code of conduct that dictates exactly how this soul is meant to behave. This soul
has deeply internalized (Venus) whatever it's own philosophical orientation to life is, and will naturally express that internalization
through whatever structure it has placed itself within.
Thus with this signature, in the consensus state for example, we can easily find a Pope like character, or perhaps simply a religious
soul who is simply trying to do the right thing. In all cases, the inner sense of self worth is defined by social purpose and showing
up to fill that purpose. However, if the belief structures that has defined what this soul has come to know about the world (sn
Venus in Sag- frog in the well relative to Sag) is grossly limited and a distortion of natural law, then that distortion will very clearly
express itself by way of the emotional and sexual repression, and possibly depression of this soul.
The relationships that this soul will attract will of course all be a reflection of that very dynamic. Sexuality, intimacy in general will
be judged and conditioned according to the inner belief structure of these souls. In higher states of evolution, this soul can attract
relationships with other souls who share a more expansive cosmological understanding, that enables a slow and steady intimacy to
develop. Repression of natural urges, and the perceived conflict between what is intuiively understood to "be right" versus guilt that
dictates what is, and what is not appropriate can still manifest.
In all cases, for this soul, evolution of its core values, how it is meant to understand find personal meaning in its life, is defined by
the north node of Venus in Scorpio. This naturally implies a soul that desires to penetrate deeply into the underlying causes and
roots behind its own psychology. Thus, this soul would unconsciously (Scorpio) attract into its life opportunities to reflect on its
status quo and how its own beleifs have shaped the life it is living. This inner inquiry will enable the soul to release any latent belief
structures that have conditioned the way it is living. This enables the soul to literally relax and align with natural law, in the way
that is appropriate for it's ea state.

Many of these opportunities would come via confrontation with other souls, through whom, this soul would develop more self
awareness behind its own psychology. This means, that this soul will be cyclicly drawn towards various relationships, perhaps
sexual, or just very deep interactions with other souls who would have the effect to literally catalyze new constructive choices that
allow the soul to move beyond any outdated structures in its life. This will also catalyze the venus in Capricorn to open up any
blocks that it has held onto due to having learned to not feel emotionally safe to be who it is on an emotional level. In this case, we
can see how confrontation (Scorpio) presses this soul to reflect on it's own repressed emotional dynamics (Cap), and the core
beleifs behind these dynamics (sn in Sag)- ultimatley leading to a greater capacity to givce and receive the human affection, touch,
intimacy that it needs (venus polarity point= Cancer).
Thank you as always, for this space. God Bless,
Ari MosheSN of Venus in Leo Venus in Taurus NN of Venus in Cancer

Natal Venus in Taurus is a life-long symbol that serves the underlying evolutionary
desires and intentions that emanate from the Soul. It acts as the integration point
where the interface between the past (SN of Venus in Leo) and the future (NN of
Venus in Cancer) is experienced in each moment of the current life.
The past, as symbolized by the South Node of Venus in Leo, gives us an idea of
the conditioning that created the reality of Venus in Taurus in the current life. To
help us understand the past conditioning, we would need to understand historical
cycles which correlate to Leo, and which would then resonate with the Souls South
Node of Venus in Leo.
The Age of Leo from 10,970 to 8,810 BC coincided with massive global
warming due to the heat of the Sun (ruler of Leo) causing the deglaciation of the
Earth. Astro- and geo-mythical associations during the Age of Leo refer to lions,
beasts, kings and queens, sun worship, gold; Vedic scripture describes ruling
Kings who considered themselves Suryavanshi, meaning the direct descendants of
the Sun; the Egyptian pantheon reveals the myth of Sekhmet, the lion-headed
deity; and the Sphinx was sculpted in the shape of a lion sometime before 10,000
BC.
Examine the archetypal dimensions of the SN of Venus in Leo
The archetype of the SN of Venus in Leo describes the past conditioning of the
Soul in terms of absolute creative self-actualization, self-exploration, self-direction,
self-motivation, strong will, power and conscious narcissism. The Soul shone at
the centre of (her) own created universe, expressed with no sense of limits, and
needed to receive fundamental positive and supportive feedback. The realization
of limits created necessary humiliation of the ego which counteracted delusions of
personal grandeur.
Examine the past inner relationship to the self, and the types of external
relationships symbolized by the SN of Venus in Leo
The Souls inner relationship to the Self, as symbolized the SN of Venus in Leo, is
described as a deep, positive and self-focused wellspring from which she could
creatively actualize herself. She needed necessary freedom or independence to
create, and needed to receive love and attention from those around her. If her
creative efforts had been squashed due to lifes circumstances, then she would
have withdrawn and felt inwardly blocked from creatively actualizing, and this
could have lead to displays of intense emotional tantrums and melodramatics.
In her external relationships she could make others feel special or really good
about themselves, because she herself basically needed this type of
acknowledgment by others.

She possesses a great ability to hear and

acknowledge where another is coming from, and to give encouragement through

positive feedback. If she felt loved, she could also make her partner feel loved in
ways that were quite unique, so as to make them the very centre of her universe.
She attracted partners who encouraged her creative independence and selfdevelopment, and together they could live life to its fullest potential.

Sexual

expression was intensely passionate and consuming, or totally withheld.

How is Venus in Taurus going to manifest in this life relative to the Soul

In her external relationships she could make others feel special or really good
about themselves, because she herself basically needed this type of
acknowledgment by others.

She possesses a great ability to hear and

acknowledge where another is coming from, and to give encouragement through

positive feedback. If she felt loved, she could also make her partner feel loved in
ways that were quite unique, so as to make them the very centre of her universe.
She attracted partners who encouraged her creative independence and selfdevelopment, and together they could live life to its fullest potential.

Sexual

expression was intensely passionate and consuming, or totally withheld.

How is Venus in Taurus going to manifest in this life relative to the Soul
defining its inner relationship to itself via the Taurus archetype?
The Souls inner relationship to herself via the Taurus archetype is a deep
internalization in order to understand who she is and what she needs in order to
have a sense of meaning in life. She is self-reliant, self-sustaining, extremely
resourceful and resilient. Her value system is limited, fixed and static but it
works for her.
How is Venus in Taurus going to manifest in this life relative to the Souls
relationships with others via the Taurus archetype?
The Souls relationships with others via the Taurus archetype are evaluated
according to her own value system. If there is no commonality of values with
others, then there is a tuning out or inherent resistance to their values, ideas,
knowledge, or other forms of reality that are different from her own. Therefore,
she tends to evolve or grow very slowly. If values are shared, however, then she
is very warm, engaging, deep, intense, highly focused, magnetic and solid. She
will want to possess, limit and control those who hold meaning and value to her
due to a fear of losing them, because that correlates to her sense of purpose for
living. This possession and control also generates an emotional psychology of
jealousy, withdrawal and isolation.

She can attract others who are also

controlling, and who live vicariously through her because they have no real life of
their own.
The Soul possesses a very strong basic sexual instinct, which correlates to a high
value and a great sense of meaning and grounding for her, and which releases
build-up of internalized emotional and psychological energy. She is sexually
possessive and monogamous.

Internalized blocks to growth can lead to a

polarized state within a relationship.

She is learning how to listen to others objectively to hear and understand their
needs, desires, motivations, psychological makeup, and to support their
development. She is opening up to the totality of reality that lies beyond the frog
in the well reality.
How do the prior life dynamics of SN of Venus in Leo link to, shape and
condition the current life placement of Venus in Taurus?
The SN of Venus in Leo correlating to the prior life dynamics produces stress but
also growth in combination with the current life placement of Venus in Taurus.
The creative frictional stimulation produced, as the past interfaces with the present
moment, brings about a transformative potential. Since the Soul has been seeking
to understand herself through the expansiveness of Leo, her reality in Taurus is
enlarged. Since both Leo and Taurus are fixed qualities, she is highly resistant to
change, and can be quite stubborn and rigid adhering to the past. The bottled-up
refusal to change can build pressure which will need purposeful release, so that
she can yield to life's changes.
In the current life she is able to hold on tightly to the relationships that she values,
by building a base of security and meaning from those resources. She is learning
how to enlarge her limited vision since the SN Leo creative self-expressive
energies radiate out. The Leo/Taurus combination creates a strong will, loyalty,
strong attachments and the determination and backbone to satisfy desires and
achieve goals.
How is the current life inner relationship symbolized by Venus in Taurus
being evolved through the NN of Venus in Cancer?
The Souls inner relationship to herself via the Taurus archetype is being evolved

In the current life she is able to hold on tightly to the relationships that she values,
by building a base of security and meaning from those resources. She is learning
how to enlarge her limited vision since the SN Leo creative self-expressive
energies radiate out. The Leo/Taurus combination creates a strong will, loyalty,
strong attachments and the determination and backbone to satisfy desires and
achieve goals.
How is the current life inner relationship symbolized by Venus in Taurus
being evolved through the NN of Venus in Cancer?
The Souls inner relationship to herself via the Taurus archetype is being evolved
through the NN of Venus in Cancer through a core desire to relate to herself and
others as emotional beings. Touching, holding, merging sexual and emotional
energies, nurturance, empathy, and gentle words of reassurance will build a strong
base of security, safety and stability for herself and her relationships. Becoming
aware of the specific causes of different emotional states, insecurities and
vulnerabilities will bring self-knowledge.

In learning that security, safety and

stability exist within herself, external dependencies will be minimized, she will
become emotionally responsible for herself, and learn how to control her
emotions.
The sextile from Taurus to Cancer brings similar agendas, like sharing food,
nurturing children, and deep family attachments. The steadiness of Taurus can
stabilize the moodiness and emotionality of Cancer, and create a feeling of
emotional security where sensitivity and nurturance can be expressed.
What type of external relationships would the combination of all of these
evolutionary forces create?
The combination of these evolutionary forces would create relationships that
expressed creative self-actualization, self-reliance and emotional security.

The

expansiveness of the Souls past conditioning (Leo) would enlarge the limited
capacity and vision of the Souls current life (Taurus), and build a strong base of
emotional security (Cancer). Family relationships, the nurturance of children, the
giving and receiving of love, food, comfort, material resources, security, and
creative purpose will be important. Relationships will generally be monogamous,
loyal and nurturing.

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SN of Venus in Leo Venus in Taurus NN of Venus in Cancer
With Venus in Taurus, relative to the SN of Venus in Leo, the Soul would be
experiencing a crisis in how he/she relates to itself, and in relationships with
others. It is possible that, because of the nature of the square, this crisis would be
a reflection of prior lives crises in his/her patterns of relatedness, leading to a
radical change in these patterns, from Leo to Taurus. The Soul was used to living
in a perpetual state of narcisistic self actualization and discovery, in all possible
ways. Because Venus is now in Taurus, the SN in Leo would imply that this prior
orientation was dependent on external acclaim, recognition or validation of the
Souls inherent creativity and capacities.
If we assume that a square aspect exists between this SN of Venus and the
current life position of Venus in Taurus, this would be a signature of skipped steps,
ie. desires emanating from the Soul that were acted upon in such a way as to
create a deviation from the natural evolutionary process. These skipped steps from
Leo to Taurus would imply that the Soul, despite being dependent on such external
acclaim and validation, refused to evolve through the necessary inner adjustments
allowing for the required integration of his/her inner capacities in the social context
of those lifetimes (Aquarius polarity). The Soul felt threatened by the individuality
or specialness of others, because his/her own self-centered desires for recognition.
Thus, the Souls dependency on external recognition of his/her own specialness did
not allow him/her to integrate in the social context as an equal. Social rejection of
the self-centered and full of self orientation of this Soul did not induce the
necessary adjustments, and the Soul chose to remain locked within its own sense
of narcissistic splendor, its own feeling of prideful self-importance, thus creating a
situation of isolation.
This implied a limitation in the effective and concrete ways in which the Soul could
have further developed its inherent creative capacities, and even had the effect of
affecting its ability to sustain him/herself. This occurred because the Souls refusal

allowing for the required integration of his/her inner capacities in the social context
of those lifetimes (Aquarius polarity). The Soul felt threatened by the individuality
or specialness of others, because his/her own self-centered desires for recognition.
Thus, the Souls dependency on external recognition of his/her own specialness did
not allow him/her to integrate in the social context as an equal. Social rejection of
the self-centered and full of self orientation of this Soul did not induce the
necessary adjustments, and the Soul chose to remain locked within its own sense
of narcissistic splendor, its own feeling of prideful self-importance, thus creating a
situation of isolation.
This implied a limitation in the effective and concrete ways in which the Soul could
have further developed its inherent creative capacities, and even had the effect of
affecting its ability to sustain him/herself. This occurred because the Souls refusal
to acknowledge what society required from him/her. These skipped steps would
mean that the Soul preferred to withdraw. Instead of relating with others in
general, as an equal (Aquarius), the Soul preferred to relate to her/himself
primarily, within the existing self-glorified orientation, or only with a limited circle
of people who related to the Soul according to his/her limited and rigid set of
values, only those people who would provide the acclaim the Soul desired.
A variation of this dynamic creating limitation in the patterns of self-relatedness
and self-actualization could be one in which the Soul failed to objectively
understand what society needed from him/her (Aquarius polarity), and, because of
dependency on external acclaim, followed paths of actualization which were
dictated by subjective gratification. For example, the Soul becoming dependent on
making money, and choosing only the possible courses of personal actualization
(Leo) leading to making money (Taurus). This would be more likely for a Soul in
consensus consciousness, however this type of skipped steps could still be
unresolved within a more evolved consciousness. In the case of an artist, the
limitation implied would be obvious, because instead of really following the desired
actualization of his/her creativity through exploration and self-discovery, the artist
would lose the necessary focus on creating because of the conflicting desire to
make money from his/her art. This need for money would be a form of
compensation for the Souls insecurity (Leo) and need to be acknowledged as
special: money would represent in a limited way the desired recognition of the
Souls capacities. Thus, the artists self-actualization of his/her creativity would be
replaced by producing only that which sells. Hence, the nature of what the artist
should be delivering to society would be altered, and would not be meeting true
needs of such society. At the same time, the artists evolution as an artist would
be stagnated.
Natal Venus being in Taurus, relative to the SN of Venus in Leo would imply that
the Soul is relating to him/herself according to a limited set of values. This limited
set of values reflects the point of development of the Souls values and inner
resources in those prior lifetimes. These values and resources may contain true
capacities and abilities, however, their development is limited because the Soul
failed to put them in motion in connection to social needs, ie., their evolution
reached a point of stagnation in prior lives (the square between SN of Venus in Leo
and Venus in Taurus).
Inwardly, the Soul would still feel that those values and resources are very
important and would still feel that he/she deserves acclaim and recognition for
what the gifts he/she possesses. However, because of the limitation implied in
these value associations, that expected acclaim or recognition would be denied
access, or would be very limited. In this way, the Soul is learning self-reliance and
self-confidence (Taurus), ie. the Soul is learning, through the withdrawal that he/
she desired, how to relate to itself in deeper ways in order not to depend on
external validation and acclaim.
Though, the Soul would still be facing a sense of limitation in the social integration
of his capacities and abilities, which would impact his means of self-sustainment.
His/her desires or recognition originating in the past of the Soul would not be met,
thus enforcing self-reliance. It would also enforce relationship with self-in order to
create an inner focus allowing for discovery of further resources of the Soul.
Though, ongoing discovery of inner resources would not be enough for the Soul to
accomplish the evolutionary intentions implied. A karmic/evolutionary condition
would exist in which the Souls withdrawal for cultivation of relation with self would
still be creating stagnation. This condition would originate in that the Souls
withdrawal has primarily occurred as a reaction to social rejection, which in turn
occurred as a consequence of the Souls refusal to integrate as an equal, as a
means to apply it creativity and resources to relevant social needs, this leading to

of his capacities and abilities, which would impact his means of self-sustainment.
His/her desires or recognition originating in the past of the Soul would not be met,
thus enforcing self-reliance. It would also enforce relationship with self-in order to
create an inner focus allowing for discovery of further resources of the Soul.
Though, ongoing discovery of inner resources would not be enough for the Soul to
accomplish the evolutionary intentions implied. A karmic/evolutionary condition
would exist in which the Souls withdrawal for cultivation of relation with self would
still be creating stagnation. This condition would originate in that the Souls
withdrawal has primarily occurred as a reaction to social rejection, which in turn
occurred as a consequence of the Souls refusal to integrate as an equal, as a
means to apply it creativity and resources to relevant social needs, this leading to
the Souls choice (square) to remain locked within his/her subjectivity, ie. in the
Souls splendor and/or misery. The enforced withdrawal would correlate with
states alternating between necessary self-sufficiency and a stoic stance of
separatedness filled with frustration and resentment.
Because the NN of Venus is in Cancer, the Soul would be learning, through the
natal Venus in Taurus, to identify his/her emotional body and emotional needs, for
a reformulation of his/her self-image to take place. The Soul would be contacting
his/her emotional needs that have gone unfulfilled, and which has been the causal
factor determining the egocentric expectations for acclaim as a source of security
in first place, and the arrogant withdrawal which followed or follows. With Venus in
Taurus and the NN of Venus in Cancer, the Soul would be learning how to create a
fundamental emotional self-confidence. This would occur through creating
relationships dynamics in which the Souls emotional needs are not supplied by
any external source. The Soul would need to consciously embrace the evolutionary
intention implied, cultivating a relationship with self.
Because the Soul is becoming progressively conscious of his/her needs, and
because of a built up of resentment from previous lifetimes, a temptation would be
feeling victimized. Victimization would create a paralysis because of the inertia
implied in Tauro archetype, alternating with forceful attempts to obtain validation
through egocentric efforts. Inner pressure originating in desires of willful assertion
and prior frustration of such orientation, ie. rage, and inertia caused by desire to
withdraw (Taurus), would create a high level of inner stress (Aquarius) leading to
exhaustion and a resulting almost catatonic state. The Escorpio polarity of Venus
in Taurus would be in trine archetypically with the NN of Venus in Cancer. This
implies that the Soul would need to understand the inner dynamics which
determine the pre-existing patterns, and the nature of his/her motivations and
desires.
The Soul would be required to reformulate self image in order to give up the need
for external acclaim, and create new patterns of relatedness with self and others
which are based on emotional sharing and nurturing. Thus, the Soul would be
facing the challenge of identifying new resources of emotional nature, allowing for
an actualization of the pre-existing resources in a new way. The Soul would be in a
process of healing emotional wounds and healing the inner child (Cancer, Leo), in
order to recover an essential freedom to explore new ways of coming out of
isolation, to give to others in society without needing to be considered special
because of his/her gifts. Is this evolutionary intention is consciously embraced it
should create a very dynamic process of actualization of patterns of selfrelatedness and of relatedness to others, actualization of resources, and objective
application of these resources to external forces outside the self (Scorpio polarity
and Aquarius polarity).
On the contrary, if the evolutionary intention is resisted, the Soul would remain
locked in a state of emotional pain, frustration, and isolation, which would become
increasingly excruciating. Even if the individual begins to consciously cooperate
with the evolutionary intent, the implied process would not easy, because, in order
to evolve beyond the rigidity of pre-existing relatedness patterns (Leo, Taurus) the
Soul needs to reformulate its self-image (Cancer), which in turn requires the Soul
to become emotionally vulnerable, to embrace its emotional needs and to process
all the emotional frustration that has existed during several lifetimes. Only when
this intent is embraced, the Soul will begin receiving from others what he/she
needs in relationships. The Cancer archetypical intention implies the evolutionary
need to be born again, ie. to create a totally new way of relating to self, others,
and life in general.

with the evolutionary intent, the implied process would not easy, because, in order
to evolve beyond the rigidity of pre-existing relatedness patterns (Leo, Taurus) the
Soul needs to reformulate its self-image (Cancer), which in turn requires the Soul
to become emotionally vulnerable, to embrace its emotional needs and to process
all the emotional frustration that has existed during several lifetimes. Only when
this intent is embraced, the Soul will begin receiving from others what he/she
needs in relationships. The Cancer archetypical intention implies the evolutionary
need to be born again, ie. to create a totally new way of relating to self, others,
and life in general.

Your analysis and synthesis of this paradigm is within the realm of the total spectrum of archetypal possiblities contained within
this paradigm. It is one way that it could manifest. The only exception to what you have written is that there is no implied skip step
with the Venus in Taurus, and it's S.Node in Leo. It is a square, but not a skipped step. Yes, the polarity point of the S.Node of
Venus in Leo is Aquarius, but that does not correlate to a skipped step relative to Venus in Taurus making a square to it. The best
way to understand this natural polarity point is to remember that every sign has it's natural polarity WITHIN IT. Just as the dark of
night has the light of day as it's natural polarity within it. Thus, the square in this paradigm from the natal Venus in Taurus to the
S.Node of Leo is what the underlying dyanmics are that contain this Aquarius polarity within it.
Pluto in Leo has it's natural evolutionary polarity of Aquarius within it. We can have Pluto in the 5th House in any sign that has it's
own polarity within it, yet at the same time any 5th House Pluto's NATURAL POLARITY POINT IS THE 11TH HOUSE.
he way that JWG taught it was that the phenomena of skipped steps was specific to the Nodes of the Moon. A square to Pluto, in
and of itself, is not a skipped step as you know. Of course when one employs the use of all the planetary nodes natal planets in the
current birth chart can square those nodes. Simple example: millions have Neptune in Libra, and that Neptune then squares the
Nodes of Pluto, Saturn, Jupiter in most cases. So, obviously, all those millions of Souls are not all going to have 'skipped steps'
relative to this signature. This is actually a subject that I never remember JWG discussing at all, or writing about. To me when we
do see this kind of symbolism it does have generational applications as to it's meaning, and the individual meaning within that as it
is applied to each individuals birth chart: the houses that it would be in. Thus, the individuals interaction and relationship with the
generation that it is born within, and how that relationship then serves the evolutionary intentions of the individual itself.
God Bless, RadSN of Venus in Leo, Venus in Taurus, NN of Venus in Cancer
Venus last quarter or disseminating square to its sn.
This soul has come to know itself, find value and personal meaning in its life through internalizing and discovering tangibly for itself
a creative purpose that is entirely unique unto itself. The sn of Venus in Leo correlates to a soul that has lived many lifetimes
cultivating a necessarily highly narcissistic self orientation whereby it has become starkly aware of its own innate specialness.
On one level, this correlates to the actual age of Leo. Whether this soul actually incarnated during that time, there is a collective
imprint of the consciousness at that time. I'm going to write what I intuitively feel/see when I allow my mind to tap into the Leo
age. This is not empirical knowledge, and yet I'm also not guessing. I apologize if such an approach is not appropriate here. I trust
you will let me know...
The essence of the age of Leo, collectively for all souls at that time was to form civilizations that were centered around recognizing
and directly connecting to the source of manifested creation. The intent on a collective level was to actualize to the highest extent
that was possible, the creative potential within each soul. The natural polarity to Leo, Aquarius, points to the fact that communities
came together/ civilizations were born in order to enable this consciousness to develop. Depending on all the possible level's of
evolution- during this age, there would have been few self realized souls who experienced their own inner power through directly
knowing themselves as expressions of divine intelligence. These souls would have possessed natural knowledge of creation and the
secrets theirin. Relative to the Aquarius polarity, these souls would have been spiritual leaders, centers of their communities that
brought forth the wisdom of that era.
On other levels of evolution: the conquest of personal importance. Many souls from this age have developed a god complex, or
have idealized their own human potential, and even of their own community/society (Aquarius polarity) to the point of thinking of
themselves as greater or more special than they actually were. This would have manifested as various souls taking all the power
and demanding attention and esteem from the collective.
Children, naturally correlate to the phenomena of creation, and the innocent awareness of life as a continuous act of creation.
Children would have played central roles in various societies during the age of Leo. Again, depending on level's of evolution of these
societies, children may have even served as spiritual leaders based on the intuitive recognition that children, in their essence, are
exemplifications of God's creative intelligence. On more consensus levels of evolution, Children may have been used as objects that
symbolize, in rituals that worship an externalized source of creation.
This soul has been born into special roles by which all it has come to know (Venus) has been the unique role that it has played. This
may have often manifested early in life, while still a child.
This soul has thus lived many lifetimes through which the inner resources that it has identified have been linked with the
specialness of its role. There may be a deep need to receive attention, adoration and affection from others on the basis of needing

constant reassurance that it is in fact special.

However with respect to the square from Venus in Taurus, we see that in prior lifetimes, this soul has in fact experienced a crisis
linked to having become deeply withdrawn and protective of itself on the basis of either needing to survive and persevere in order
to achieve its purpose, or in another way, simply on the basis of always having received what it needed (such as being born as a
pharoh, or something similar to that, and having all its needs met from the get-go and not needing to do a thing for itself).
Therefore, the Leonian narcisissm has expressed not by overtly "hogging" attention, rather, this soul has learned how to develop
self sufficieny within itself to the point of being highly stubborn and overly content on what it knew, what it was doing, and what it's
sense of purpose was. This soul has been learning how to validate and find all of it's specialness from within its own self- whatever
that may have looked like.
This has created conflict whereby this soul has naturally been resistant and uninterested in validating or acknowledging other
people's uniqueness or purpose, or the fact that it's own need to constantly feel self assured from within itself, would attract
confrontation from other partners that the soul was unwilling to embraace. These signatures imply that this soul has not been
interested in confrontation.
Even in the latter part of the spiritual state, this soul may be a spiritual teacher that does not need anyone, and simply inhabits it's
special purpose based on an inner knowing of what it is here to do. The conflict that would manifest in such a case is attracting
relationships into its life whereby it is completely unwilling to share itself or budge from it's own sense of destiny. This would lead to
its own partners feeling invalidated and ignored.
The same pattern would manifest in any level of evolution. The essence, relative to the Taurus polarity, Scorpio, is avoiding
confrontation and an unwillingness to look beyond what it knows. Through the filter of the sn in Leo- all of this has been linked to a
need to identify and inhabit its own specialness.
The fact that its a last quarter/disseminating square implies that this soul has been developing the Taurian quality of self
sufficiency, self reliance for a long time now, and at this point is faced with the opportunity to find a new way to actualize itself by
rebelling from the ways it has previously found it necessary to participate in society. Thus new choices and decisions may be made
in this life. The catalyst for these choices will again be the catalyzing reflection of the relationships this soul attracts into its life, as
well as an inner stagnation that catalyzes further reflection on what new steps need to be taken (ie not having made enough
money).
The key for integrating that square, as well as the key for evolving the values and personal meaning that this soul has of its own
life, is through the nn of Venus, which is in Cancer. The north node of Venus correlates to the way that self awareness leads to a
new expression of self embodiment. In this case, it describes the inner values and resources that this soul, via Venus in Taurus, is
realizing.
This specifically points to the emotional body. It is an evolutionary intent for this soul to become aware of its own subjective needsin particular the needs that it cannot fulfill on its own, or will not be automatically fulfilled on its own (sit on throne while being fed
grapes from a vine= sn in leo square Taurus). There is a vulnerability, and maturity found in that vulnerability that enables this
soul to live a life that reflects the values of nurturing and emotional intelligence. In so doing, this soul evolves beyond the "survival
crisis" which has previously manifested as "I gotta do it my way, alone, all the time" to "my way includes family. My way includes
the emotional body. I recognize and embrace those in my life that I am dependent on." This leads to an actual reinvention of itselfwhereby it is able to provide for those in its life in ways it was previously not capable of (Leo narcissistic blindness relative to
Taurus frog in the well) such as its own children.
In so doing, this soul is capable of dealing with the confrontations that arise in relationships (Venus polarity in Scorpio), as it will no
longer need to "run away" based on the need for isolation or fixation on unnecessary ways of being (Taurus) in order to maintain
it's deeply ingrained sense of importance (Leo).
With Love,
Ari Moshe

SN of Mercury in Sagittarius
Current Mercury Rx in Capricorn (conjunct its NN)
NN of Mercury in Capricorn
Natal Mercury Rx in Capricorn is a life-long symbol that serves the underlying
evolutionary desires and intentions that emanate from the Soul. It acts as the
integration point where the interface between the past (SN of Mercury in
Sagittarius) and the future (NN of Mercury in Capricorn) is experienced in each
moment of the current life.

SN of Mercury in Sagittarius
Current Mercury Rx in Capricorn (conjunct its NN)
NN of Mercury in Capricorn
Natal Mercury Rx in Capricorn is a life-long symbol that serves the underlying
evolutionary desires and intentions that emanate from the Soul. It acts as the
integration point where the interface between the past (SN of Mercury in
Sagittarius) and the future (NN of Mercury in Capricorn) is experienced in each
moment of the current life.
The past, as symbolized by the South Node of Mercury in Sagittarius, gives us an
idea of the conditioning that created the reality of Mercury Rx in Capricorn in the
current life.

To help us understand the past conditioning, we would need to

understand historical and pre-historical cycles, as well as astrological ages and

sub-ages pertaining to Gemini and Sagittarius as these would resonate with the
Souls SN of Mercury in Sagittarius.
The Age of Gemini (6450 BC - 4300 BC) is associated with communication,
development of writing, the spread of new languages, increased trade, mobility,
the wheel used for transportation, and the worship of multiple gods (Greek
pantheon) and twin-gods (Sun/Moon principle, divine horse twins, solar chariots).
The Age of Sagittarius (18,745 - 16,759 BCE) is associated with natural law, GaiaEarth Mother, clay pottery, nomadic hunter-gatherer cultures, agriculture in the
Near East, changing religions/worship, Native American traditions of Father Sun
and Mother Earth, and ancient schools. Gemini and Sagittarius in ancient times
coincided with maritime technology, hunter-gatherers, cuneiform writing,
development of core agricultural techniques (Sumer), and the emergence of
distinctive cultures (Fertile Crescent, Neolithic 3).
Resonating with the sub-ages of Gemini and Sagittarius, the Soul with the South
Node of Mercury in Sagittarius felt an affinity with the whole of nature; worshiped
the natural god (nature);
gods;

gave names to flora, fauna, food, implements, and

constantly traveled about in the environment and further afield (nomadic);

built canoes and island-hopped or crawled across continents in search of new

foods; tracked animals; learned new survival skills; taught others in its clan or
group by passing on information and wisdom;

taught in ancient schools;

formulated language and written expression (cuneiform script, pictographs,

geometrical patterns, symbols for numbers, rock/wall paintings, carvings,
inscriptions on clay tablets, hieroglyphics, systems of clay tokens to count
agricultural food); mapped the stars; and constantly expanded his intellectual
structures through new discoveries and travel and settlement in new places.
In early times, the Soul started thinking, What is the meaning of this? What
are these lights in the sky? What is this? What is that? At first he didnt
understand, but his constantly searching and questioning mind allowed him to
notice cycles in nature, the tides, animal mating seasons, comets appearing in the
sky, phases of the moon, etc. These were all wondrous things for his curious and
pondering mind. He had to learn how to articulate what he was learning from his
environment, and how to pass on this information in written form to future
generations.
Examine the archetypal dimensions of the SN of Mercury in Sagittarius
Gemini (air) and Sagittarius (fire) are both yang, male, and mutable (adaptable)
signs. The fundamental archetype of Mercury is described by giving names and
classifications to the phenomenal nature of reality. The fundamental archetype of
Sagittarius is the basis of philosophical thinking, pondering, speculation, and truth
relative to the phenomena of creation. The past conditioning of the Soul in terms
of the SN of Mercury in Sagittarius describes a never-ending mental search for
new information that allowed him to make wider and wider connections to the
larger universe.
Examine the archetypal dimensions of the current life Mercury Rx in
Capricorn
The Retrograde function describes a liberation and individuation process for the
function of Mercury that is independent from culturally accepted ways of behaviour
in the mainstream of society. The Soul dealt with an overly active mind prior to
the current life, and so is repeating, reliving or recreating life circumstances so

relative to the phenomena of creation. The past conditioning of the Soul in terms
of the SN of Mercury in Sagittarius describes a never-ending mental search for
new information that allowed him to make wider and wider connections to the
larger universe.
Examine the archetypal dimensions of the current life Mercury Rx in
Capricorn
The Retrograde function describes a liberation and individuation process for the
function of Mercury that is independent from culturally accepted ways of behaviour
in the mainstream of society. The Soul dealt with an overly active mind prior to
the current life, and so is repeating, reliving or recreating life circumstances so
that the evolutionary intentions of Mercury Rx are resolved. The Soul has his own
way of thinking and doing things since the Rx functions in a Uranian way, hence
the evolutionary pace of Mercury is accelerated and the need for freedom is
heightened. The Soul develops his mental powers and intellectual abilities in his
own unique way. He has a natural intellectual curiosity and need to understand
the philosophies, ideologies and cosmologies of his world in larger and larger
frameworks. There is constant movement and restlessness in his interaction with
others in the environment. Mercury in Capricorn is concerned with organization,
structural dynamics, planning, practicality, efficiency, personal authority, realism,
emotional and social maturity, setting boundaries and dealing with limitations.
How do the prior life dynamics of SN of Mercury in Sagittarius link to,
shape and condition the current life placement of Mercury Rx in
Capricorn?
The SN of Mercury in Sagittarius interfaces with the current life Mercury Rx in
Capricorn by combining natural and expansive thinking/communication patterns
with contracted or distorted thinking/communication patterns; or an expression or
understanding of natural law (truths that are self-evident within nature) -v- manmade law. The Souls mental structures had been greatly broadened, but the
current life mental structures are somewhat restricted. He is able to bring an
intuitive faculty to practical rationalizations, the desire for honest and truthful
expression, the drive to expose lies or half-truths, humour, lightness, optimism,
faith, wisdom, good teaching skills, strong sense of morals and belief systems, and
a quest for higher meaning and values. The Soul could feel quite alienated trying
to adapt to a mainstream frame of mind because of a very expansive and free way
of thinking in the past. He could try to force his point of view onto others with
deep conviction. This combination describes the need to take responsibility for the
words one speaks (such as gossip, lies, dishonesty, harsh/unbending/dominating
attitude, etc) based on societal judgment, but also the Soul wanting to do things in
his own unique way.
How is the current life function of Mercury Rx in Capricorn being evolved
through the NN of Mercury in Capricorn?
The Souls evolution would continue through the archetype of Mercury in Capricorn
by endeavouring to pierce through self-defeating mental structures or an attitude
of futility.

The pressure would be greater to conform to what the consensus

dictates, so the Soul learns to develop and express his evolutionary intention by
initiating change, developing self-determination, discipline, responsibility, social
and emotional maturity, understanding the limits of his personal and social power,
and actualizing his ambitions as defined by his society. Depressed or reflective
thinking processes become necessary so as to create the awareness of what he
needs to structurally change within his intellectual organization and what new
ideas, desires or ambitions he needs to initiate in his inner and outer reality.
What would the combination of all of these evolutionary forces create?
The SN of Mercury in Sagittarius correlates to a sense of restlessness, a need to
explore, and to understand his connection to the larger forces in the world and in
the universe. The Souls thinking/communication patterns correlate to making
generalizations or trying to convince and convert others to his point of view in
order to feel emotionally secure (the past).

This leads to intellectual or

philosophical disagreements with others. Through the current life Mercury Rx in

Capricorn the Soul becomes aware of the limitations in his belief systems or
intellectual organization. The process of reflection allows an evolution toward a
larger truth.

Incorporating the past understanding of natural law, evolution

through the NN of Mercury in Capricorn is a process of reflection into what

intellectual structures need to be changed, and what new structures need to be
initiated and developed.

The SN of Mercury in Sagittarius correlates to a sense of restlessness, a need to

explore, and to understand his connection to the larger forces in the world and in
the universe. The Souls thinking/communication patterns correlate to making
generalizations or trying to convince and convert others to his point of view in
order to feel emotionally secure (the past).

This leads to intellectual or

philosophical disagreements with others. Through the current life Mercury Rx in

Capricorn the Soul becomes aware of the limitations in his belief systems or
intellectual organization. The process of reflection allows an evolution toward a
larger truth.

Incorporating the past understanding of natural law, evolution

through the NN of Mercury in Capricorn is a process of reflection into what

intellectual structures need to be changed, and what new structures need to be
initiated and developed.

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Linda
The S.Node of Mercury now is in Sagittarius, the N.Node in Capricorn, and the current Mercury is now retrograde in Capricorn
conjunct it's N.Node.
The natal position of Mercury in the south node symbolizes the way the individual communicated in the past and may be continuing
to communicate in this pattern now because it is a form of emotional security for the individual. Mercury signifies how we mentally
organize the information we take from the external environment which is based on our pre-existing notions of our beliefs which also
determine the type of information we allow in.
With Mercury in Sagittarius, the individuals past dynamics may have been exaggeration, dishonesty, etcdistorted expressions of
the sign due to overcompensation. There may also have been a need to convince and convert others to his/her beliefs due to their
insecurities with a tendency for broad generalizations.
With NN Mercury, the planet is actualized through new levels of expression. NN being in Capricorn, the placement here symbolizes
the need to express a personal voice of authority in society in which this voice must come from within and not based upon a social
role.
With current Mercury retrograde, an acceleration of evolution must now occur where the individual rebels against the consensus
through a deep disconnection with the consensus triggering psychological withdrawal from the consensus resulting in feelings of
isolation. With respect to Mercury and where its located, it needs to be expressed in a unique and individualized manner. Having
retrograde Mercury conjunct the NN, it needs to be consciously experienced but could be experienced as disassociation,
disillusionment, and alienation. By going through this disillusionment, the individual learns that ultimate meaning cant be found in
any external condition or person. The conjunction located with this aspect is teaching the individual the nature of his/her delusions
and illusions.Mercury in Capricorn / South Node of Mercury in Sagittarius / North Node of Mercury in Capricorn,
conjunct Mercury

Capricorn correlates to the nature of structure, to the structure of consciousness,

to the nature of human consciousness, to time/space reality, to human
consciousness within time/space reality, to the human need to create parameters
which regulate and organize groups of people living together, to the nature of
what is considered to be real-reality- from the point of view of the consensus of
such groups of people, to the nature of cultural and social conditioning and to
familiar or parental conditioning.
Mercury correlates with the function within consciousness that linearly orders and
gives names and classifications to phenomenal reality, that which, otherwise,
would be diffuse images and appearances. Diffuse images and appearances, the
nature of phenomenal reality, correlates with Pisces and Neptune. The need to
give names and classifications to these appearances is adaptative, and originates
in the need to handle objects (Gemini correlates with the hands). Thus, the
Mercury function correlates with the relation with immediate environment, ie. that
which is at hand. It is an inherently exploratory function, as it can be seen in the
process of learning language by children, which occurs at the same time when
their range of spatial exploration is being greatly expanded, ie. learning to walk.
Gemini is a mutable-yang-air archetype, which is sextile Aries and sextile Leo.
Thus, it operates through a sense of discovery, and actualization which translates
in natural curiosity, and which has no inherent limitation. Giving names and
classifications to phenomena allows making linear connections between
phenomena. Given that the Mercury function correlates to handling that which is at
hand in the immediate environment, the linear connections created thorough this
function of consciousness are immediate connections: A connects to B, which is
next to A; B connects to C, which is next to B, etc. The immediacy of objects thus
connected implies variability and relativity in the possible connections, ie. from the
point of view of the observer. A series of objects or phenomena can be linearly
connected in different ways. At the same time, the point of view of the observer is
changing, thus, the same phenomena can be perceived by the same subject in

Gemini is a mutable-yang-air archetype, which is sextile Aries and sextile Leo.

Thus, it operates through a sense of discovery, and actualization which translates
in natural curiosity, and which has no inherent limitation. Giving names and
classifications to phenomena allows making linear connections between
phenomena. Given that the Mercury function correlates to handling that which is at
hand in the immediate environment, the linear connections created thorough this
function of consciousness are immediate connections: A connects to B, which is
next to A; B connects to C, which is next to B, etc. The immediacy of objects thus
connected implies variability and relativity in the possible connections, ie. from the
point of view of the observer. A series of objects or phenomena can be linearly
connected in different ways. At the same time, the point of view of the observer is
changing, thus, the same phenomena can be perceived by the same subject in
different ways, ie. different connections between phenomena can be perceived
because the subject is moving. Giving names and classifications and making linear
connections between objects allows to relate to phenomena in an ordered way,
through thought, and allows communication between people, ie. language.
Because of the inherent variability and relativity of points of view, the potential
variations of ways of linear thinking and of language are potentially unlimited.
Language-instrument of linear left-brain thought, is learnt at young age, in the
context of the childs immediate environment, ie. family (Gemini is next to
Cancer), the mother tongue, and in relation with siblings (Gemini). A relatively
wide variability in the childs language is allowed in this context: all children create
their own words. At the same time, given that the function of Mercury is
adaptative and operates in relation to the environment, the ongoing socialization
and integration in society (Capricorn) requires the use of a common language.
People who are gathered together to live need to develop a common basis to
communicate between them, a language which is relatively standard: English,
Spanish, etc. The common language is also relative to the survival needs of each
group of people, and to their environment, and reflects their ways of life, their
values and beliefs.
The standard language, though, is not static or fixed. On the contrary, it is
continually evolving through the creation of limitless individual variations which
occur in the borders of the standard language: new emerging ways of connecting
phenomena and of connecting words in their use. In these borders also
interchanges occur in relation to that which is beyond those borders: other groups
of people using other languages or other variations of the evolving language: thus,
spanglish, etc., or through segmentation or division of the main group, thus
Quebequoi, or American English which originated in British English, etc. In this
evolution of language two movements or directions can be observed. On the one
hand, an expansion beyond exiting standards through limitless variation and
interchanges occurring through the borders (Aquarius), as it occurs in translation
(Gemini) or in writing or speaking in a language different from the natal language;
on the other hand, a tendency towards creation of an standard which is thought of
as specific to the group (Capricorn). Both directions in fact interact. A classic
example is fusion and progressive uniformity of different language forms or styles
occurring during lengthy travels by sea, in sailing ships with a multi-languaged
crew. At the end of these travels, the language registered in the logbook had
changed in both directions.
The natural inconjunct between Gemini and Capricorn in the Zodiac has natural
implications and implications which are a consequence of patriarchal order. Among
the natural implications of this inconjunct lies the fact that the function of Mercury
shall naturally serve the needs of the group, and thus, a certain uniformity of
thought forms and language forms is required. In a deeper level, this inconjunct
reflects the fact that the human function of giving names to a reality of
phenomena requires a certain stability of phenomena within space-time as
experienced by human consciousness. Words would be useless if phenomenal
reality were changing too fast, because a word referring to some phenomenon
would lack its referent at the next moment, if the phenomenon had changed.
Thus, language has a determined speed of change with is necessarily relative to
the speed of change of phenomena, as perceived by human consciousness in timespace reality. Capricorn correlates to strata, and historical strata: the meaning of
words contained in a book is consistent with the system of meanings comprising
the meaning of all the words in that book, and further, with the epoch in which the
book was written: not just a system of words but an arrangement of reality
(Capricorn). Out of that context or strata, the meaning of the word may be quite
different. The relationship between language and a relative stability of phenomena
was explained by Kant in his books. One of the influences on the thought of Kant
about time-space reality (Capricorn), as connected to the possibility of rational
knowledge (Mercury) was Swedenborg. Swedenborg had an understanding of

would lack its referent at the next moment, if the phenomenon had changed.
Thus, language has a determined speed of change with is necessarily relative to
the speed of change of phenomena, as perceived by human consciousness in timespace reality. Capricorn correlates to strata, and historical strata: the meaning of
words contained in a book is consistent with the system of meanings comprising
the meaning of all the words in that book, and further, with the epoch in which the
book was written: not just a system of words but an arrangement of reality
(Capricorn). Out of that context or strata, the meaning of the word may be quite
different. The relationship between language and a relative stability of phenomena
was explained by Kant in his books. One of the influences on the thought of Kant
about time-space reality (Capricorn), as connected to the possibility of rational
knowledge (Mercury) was Swedenborg. Swedenborg had an understanding of
time-space reality which was based in his dwellings in spiritism-Pisces, ie. that
which is beyond time space reality. One of this aspects where Kant was influenced
by Swedenborg can be seen in the third of his Critiques (Virgo), the Critique of
Judgment, where Kant in some way deconstructs from an inductive point of view
all the way he had built concerning the possibility of rational knowledge, because
of the consideration of the sublime, ie, that which lies beyond the limits (of timespace reality). Thus, Kant explains in this book that, in the end, judgment is based
on imagination (Pisces). In his prior books, Kant had discussed the path shown by
Descartes for a possibility of knowledge. Descartes considered the Soul and the
material body as different and separated substances and had falsely derived the
possibility of knowledge and certainty from the experience of thought in itself (I
cannot doubt that I think), which in turn required the idea of a good God
preventing the possibility of being fooled. Because Descartes was founding a
possibility for rational knowledge in the reality of the Soul (identified with
thought), he then had to create a philosophical reason to derive a validity of such
knowledge within the realm of material world. So he then needed to invoke again
the idea of the good God who would not allow duplicity to exist between Soul and
the world. Descartes idea, thus, was referred to that which occurred within the
limits of thought, which was then presumed to be valid within the limits of material
external world. In his scheme, any possible knowledge was knowledge of ideas
or thought. Kant attempted to provide a rational basis for knowledge of material
world. What he did was to change the concept of phenomena as appearances to
phenomena as appearing, ie. that which is appearing in time: within the structure
of time-space reality (Capricorn). Thus, from Kant onward, thought (Mercury) was
referred to time. According to Kant, judgment requires a rule of recognition
operating within consciousness. The rule of recognition implies that the observed
phenomenon is recognized as corresponding to a concept. The observed
phenomenon and the concept are different in nature. To inwardly compare the
phenomenon to the concept consciousness requires imagination. Using imagination
we can say, of many different houses, this is a house, despite their differences.
Imagination is required because of two reasons. First, in order to simplify the
observed phenomenon (different houses) to what is inherent according to the
concept. Second, because we cannot relate just a word to a phenomenon without
creating an image which is invoked by the word, ie. house. However, in the
Critique of Judgment, Kant investigated how judgment can refer to phenomena
which fail to conform to any of the available concepts: the sublime. In face of the
sublime, imagination is overwhelmed, because it confronts that which is beyond
the limitations of concepts (created for phenomena existing within space-time
reality). For this reason, the dynamic of judgment which Kant refers both to ethics
and esthetics, becomes defined in his last analysis by esthetics: the experience of
that which we can contemplate, though we cannot measure (Kant uses two
examples for the sublime: a storm in the sea and the night sky).
In turn, Kant had a great influence on Einstein. Einstein had Mercury rx in the 10th
House conjunct the North Node of Mercury, and conjunct Saturn (all in Aries); and
the South Node of Mercury in the 9th House, conjunct Jupiter (in Aquarius).
Einstein discovered the law of relativity, ie. that universal laws (Sagittarius) had
specific manifestations which would vary according to the point of view of the
observer (Mercury), and further, which would vary in local reality (Capricorn) as
conditioned by gravity (Capricorn). This in turn revealed to him the inherent
instability of matter and the way to disintegrate matter (Mercury in the 10th
House, South Node of Mercury in the 9th House in Aquarius).
In patriarchal context, the inconjunct between Gemini and Capricorn correlates
with the need to linearly relate to and to communicate by means of the correct
thought forms and languages. It implies, then, that communication is only
acceptable and possible within the existing parameters. Beyond these parameters,
lies insanity, or inhumanity (Capricorn correlates to human form). This then
creates the dependency of patriarchal construction of reality on linear left-brain

specific manifestations which would vary according to the point of view of the
observer (Mercury), and further, which would vary in local reality (Capricorn) as
conditioned by gravity (Capricorn). This in turn revealed to him the inherent
instability of matter and the way to disintegrate matter (Mercury in the 10th
House, South Node of Mercury in the 9th House in Aquarius).
In patriarchal context, the inconjunct between Gemini and Capricorn correlates
with the need to linearly relate to and to communicate by means of the correct
thought forms and languages. It implies, then, that communication is only
acceptable and possible within the existing parameters. Beyond these parameters,
lies insanity, or inhumanity (Capricorn correlates to human form). This then
creates the dependency of patriarchal construction of reality on linear left-brain
standardized way of thinking, and then, the ever increasing replacement of a
direct experiential relation to phenomenal reality by a relation to a universe of
signs, codified images, and information which the system needs to permanently
deliver through the media, and through education.
It correlates further with the idea of authority as rational authority, ie. that
decisions of authority should or are supposed to be rationally grounded. Gemini is
naturally inconjunct Capricorn and Scorpio. Scorpio correlates with power of any
kind, including social and political power, and Capricorn correlates with political or
social power. The connection with politics becomes evident in Greece, where the
human form (Capricorn) is defined by the membership to the polis (Gemini/
Capricorn), but at the same time belonging to the polis implies a way of being
which is the exercise of the logos, of a rationality expressed through the use of
language. It could be argued that the language they used was too different than
modern languages, and that seems to be true. They had created a language, and a
relationship with language, that was quite balanced in terms of right brain and left
brain. It was used to induce awareness of things which were external to language,
the forces they perceived in nature and in destiny. It is said in the history of the
western philosophy, that it was in Athens with Plato where language, and thought,
lost that older connection with direct insights of being, of the phenomena
themselves, thus producing one shift to left brain thought. This occurred within the
human activity called philosophy, ie. Sagittarius/Jupiter, however, philosophy in
Greece was in its way to become in more left brain activity, where language would
progressively become the object of western philosophical speculation along the
following 2500 years at least. At the same time, language was assigned a
fundamental role as it defined the status and purpose of the being which lived in
the polis. At this time the North Node of Pluto, Uranus and Jupiter were in Gemini,
with their South Nodes in Sagittarius. This process also reflected the ongoing
change in the way of life that had been occurring for many centuries, where larger
and larger groups of people were establishing themselves in cities (Gemini/
Capricorn), thus leaving behind nomadic forms of life (Sagittarius). This change
from nomadism to living in villages and cities produced a change in the function of
communication, and thought, where the immediacy of the environment became
relatively fixed, instead of being perpetually changing. This relative stabilization of
immediacy originated that the points of view about the phenomena become more
stable too in the general context of the polis: the formation of a commonality of
ideas and language around the government of the polis. Thus, the logos, the
Mercury function was rationalized and politicized. Belonging to the polis, as
required for men to become fully human as implied in the Greek model, implied a
submission of individuality to a common will, which was the will of the polis. At the
same time, such will of the polis would be formed by the interaction and
competition of these men assumed as rational political beings, acting for the
benefit of the polis because of their love of wisdom. Their competition would be
the way to establish the best idea, or the true idea, of the political good and/or the
philosophical truth. Only one idea would be the winner. At the same time, the
winning idea would have authority over the other people in the group. The group
needed to maintain a cohesion which implied their submission to the will of the
city, expressed in their laws, institutions, and decisions of authority (Capricorn).
Sagittarius correlates to the desire to expand the awareness beyond the
immediacy of the circumstantial environment, in order to understand the larger
forces which operate in life in general and give form to existence. This
understanding implies grasping larger connections between phenomena, and
connections between phenomena which are beyond their immediate or linear
connections. It implies, further, grasping connections between phenomena which
are not limited by the linguistic possibilities at hand. The development of the
Mercury function required to make linear connections between phenomena as they
appeared in the immediate environment. The need to give names operated
through a mechanism of interchange (Gemini) between things and words. Thus,
words become symbols or signs or codes for things existing in the immediacy of

Sagittarius correlates to the desire to expand the awareness beyond the

immediacy of the circumstantial environment, in order to understand the larger
forces which operate in life in general and give form to existence. This
understanding implies grasping larger connections between phenomena, and
connections between phenomena which are beyond their immediate or linear
connections. It implies, further, grasping connections between phenomena which
are not limited by the linguistic possibilities at hand. The development of the
Mercury function required to make linear connections between phenomena as they
appeared in the immediate environment. The need to give names operated
through a mechanism of interchange (Gemini) between things and words. Thus,
words become symbols or signs or codes for things existing in the immediacy of
the environment, and the linguistic system as a whole become a symbol of the
totality of such known environment, where the connections between words
equaled or reflected the known connections between things or phenomena. The
consistency and coherence of the linguistic system assured the consistency of the
known environment. Each question relating to such known environment would
have an immediate answer within the system of words, consisting of a series of
words, each of them connected to other words, and all of them together defining a
hermetic system equaling the totality of the known immediate environment. The
essence of such system is practical in nature, and the answers it provides concern
operating in practical terms within the environment. Thus, the practical
requirements of any given environment, including cultural environment, has
conditioned the way in which such environment has been translated into a system
of words. At the same time, people have the experience of other connections
between immediate circumstances and other phenomena which are far beyond
those immediate circumstances. These other connections are not linear, because
reality as it exists in itself is not linear: linear arrangement of reality is only a
function of thought, and language (Mercury). Neither is reality in itself coherent.
Coherency is only a function of thought and language (Mercury). Instead, reality in
itself is made of wholes, which are part of ever larger wholes, all of them
dynamically connected. The function of Jupiter and Sagittarius is the direct
perception of these wholenesses, which occurs through intuition.
From the point of view of the natural opposition between Gemini and Sagittarius,
the functions of Jupiter and Mercury, right brain and left brain, are intended to
operate in a state of balance. This state of balance would imply the possibility of
perceiving wholes through intuition, and then being able to create a language
serving to communicate what is being intuited. Integration of both functions also
implies that language would serve to point to existing phenomena. Thus, language
operating as a system of signs which refer to things or to phenomena, instead of
words which only point to other words. Thus, integration between Jupiter and
Mercury implies using language as a vehicle to point in the direction where the
observer can grasp truth, instead of needing to create a language or thought
structure which is closed in itself and dominated by the need of coherence. Hence,
understanding that coherence is a function of thought, and not and attribute of
reality itself (if thought is required to be totally coherent, it becomes saturated and
loses ability to induce awareness of truth). Further, the integration of both
functions implies acceptance of relativity, because reality is made of wholes
allowing many different perspectives, what is true for one may not be true for
other, and, hence, there are many different paths leading to understanding truth,
including Ultimate Truth. Because the function of Jupiter leads to the creation of
belief systems, which operate as a filter determining what can be perceived or
known, the integration between Sagittarius and Gemini also implies that belief
systems will always provide the background and a filter to all the possible linear
thoughts that people can have about any phenomena. In many cases, the
phenomena which cannot be explained by the existing belief system simply go
unnoticed for most people. In the context of scientific paradigms (Sagittarius),
these systems of concepts explaining aspects of the known reality from a scientific
point of view will normally go unchanged for a while even when facts (Gemini)
begin to contradict them. It is required a cumulative effect of many facts over a
relatively long period of time to induce the revision of the paradigm, its evolution
or change. This occurs because of the security that the scientific community
associates to their understanding of the phenomena. The philosophical elaboration
is also a way of relating to the unknown as if it were known someway. Availing on
a belief system of any kind implies the feeling than some aspect of the total reality
(ie. not only socially conditioned reality-Capricorn) is somehow familiar and
predictable, because there are certain laws which imply certain effects, etc. The
perceptions that are not consistent with the paradigm will be discarded or
repressed-Capricorn. However, at some point they are going to induce the
awareness that the theory is not consistent with the facts. At the same time, there

point of view will normally go unchanged for a while even when facts (Gemini)
begin to contradict them. It is required a cumulative effect of many facts over a
relatively long period of time to induce the revision of the paradigm, its evolution
or change. This occurs because of the security that the scientific community
associates to their understanding of the phenomena. The philosophical elaboration
is also a way of relating to the unknown as if it were known someway. Availing on
a belief system of any kind implies the feeling than some aspect of the total reality
(ie. not only socially conditioned reality-Capricorn) is somehow familiar and
predictable, because there are certain laws which imply certain effects, etc. The
perceptions that are not consistent with the paradigm will be discarded or
repressed-Capricorn. However, at some point they are going to induce the
awareness that the theory is not consistent with the facts. At the same time, there
is a natural evolutionary progression from Gemini to Sagittarius within the Zodiac.
This progression correlates to an expansion of awareness, going beyond the
immediate environment in order to grasp larger connections between phenomena,
and to include within rational understanding of local phenomena the operation of
larger forces existing in the universe. Sagittarius comes after Scorpio. Scorpio
correlates with metamorphosis of limitations through establishing a relationship
with a force, this relationship producing the effect of fusing or merging with that
force, which allows for an osmosis to take place. Thus, Sagittarius, following
Scorpio, implies that in knowledge the knower and the known are united.
Considering these archetypes, many different dynamics could be reflected in this
signature (Mercury in Capricorn, South Node of Mercury in Sagittarius, North Node
of Mercury in Capricorn, conjunct Mercury), depending on the evolutionary
condition of the Soul.
In consensus reality, which is conditioned by Saturn, it would reflect self-righteous
judgments

which are based on a limited understanding. It could also reflect

desires to intellectually evolve through higher education of some way-a relative

expansion of awareness-which will be oriented to validate the rational abilities of a
Soul within consensus in order to gain authority through intellectual development.
It could reflect a Soul which, because of a relative expansion of awareness (SN of
Mercury in Sagittarius), knows a little more than other people in consensus, and
who uses this knowledge as a means to gain a better position for him/herself
within society, or, in some cases, to assume some form of leadership on benefit of
society (Capricorn). In consensus reality, a Soul with these symbols would be
defined by an absolute self-created certainty in some type of philosophical and
political principles. The birthchart of Stalin had these symbols. His SN of Mercury
was ruled by Jupiter in Aquarius in the 11th House. He forcefully applied in a grand
scale a very limited version of a philosophical thought system defined by
humanitarian ideals-Marxism.

At this evolutionary state, the rationality of

authority would simply mean that authority is beyond reason, or that the will of
the authority constitutes the law by itself.
In the first stage of the individuated condition, it could correlate to a Soul who has
grasped the existence of a larger truth (Sagittarius) but doesnt feel prepared to
embrace such truth, and that, because of his/her fear, creates rationalizations
(Mercury) allowing to repress

(Capricorn) the insights

that have occurred of

larger truths in order to conform to the existing consensus.

In the second stage individuated it could reflect a Soul who is in the process of
liberating (Capricorn-270) of consensus opinions because of the expansion of
awareness that has occurred. Thus, the Soul is needing to decondition his/her
mental structures of the impact of familiar, social and cultural imprint. In order to
do so, the Soul would require to reflect (Capricorn) in order to linearly understand
(Mercury) the nature of this conditioning (Capricorn). The Soul has already
perceived a larger context serving to explain his/her place within the scheme of
things (South Node of Mercury in Sagittarius), and he/she is required to operate
within consensus reality in order to test his/her desires to think otherwise. At the
same time, such Soul would be delivering other type of thought forms within
consensus society, thus experiencing social confrontations, social repression, this
inducing further the need to rebel and to individuate. The Soul would also be
required to develop its own sense of rational authority, and to validate its thoughts
by itself. At this evolutionary stage, validation from an external social source
would be denied. Thus, the Soul would need to create a narrow focus of attention
to examine the linear connections of thoughts and judgments, I order to validate
his/her own thought process.
In the third stage individuated, these symbols could reflect a Soul who has been
delivering other types of thought forms in social context, this contributing to

within consensus reality in order to test his/her desires to think otherwise. At the
same time, such Soul would be delivering other type of thought forms within
consensus society, thus experiencing social confrontations, social repression, this
inducing further the need to rebel and to individuate. The Soul would also be
required to develop its own sense of rational authority, and to validate its thoughts
by itself. At this evolutionary stage, validation from an external social source
would be denied. Thus, the Soul would need to create a narrow focus of attention
to examine the linear connections of thoughts and judgments, I order to validate
his/her own thought process.
In the third stage individuated, these symbols could reflect a Soul who has been
delivering other types of thought forms in social context, this contributing to
society from the point of view of his/her more evolved or expanded intellect. Now
the Soul needs to liberate from social and cultural reference (Capricorn) in order to
think beyond such parameters. The Soul would create a rational thought which
focuses on the contrast between things or phenomena as they naturally are, and
the social parameters within which such intellect is operating. These parameters
would be thus becoming increasingly unreal, as the Soul would be perceiving
larger and larger connections between things as consciousness has began opening
to an awareness of the cosmos, a perspective from which socially conditioned
reality would appear only as a very limited portion.
From the third stage individuated onward to the spiritual condition these symbols
would also correlate to a need to suspend and liberate from dynamics of judgment
(Capricorn) in face of the increasing awareness and understanding that there are
other pieces of information which are unknown, and other forces which are
operating beyond the limits of reality, as reality has been constructed with an
arbitrary selection and arrangements of pieces and bits.
Further, these symbols can indicate that the Souls has known the existence of the
larger connections (Sagittarius) but has felt the need to linearly understand these
connections; or that has desired to understand the nature of reality through belief
systems, but has needed to develop a critical approach to these belief systems.
Different reasons can exist for any of these dynamics. In the birthchart of Stephen
Hawking, Mercury is in Capricorn in the 10th House, and the SN of Mercury is in
Sagittarius in the 9th House (the NN of Mercury in the 11th House in Aquarius).
Jupiter, ruler of the SN of Mercury, is rx in the 3rd House Gemini, squaring the
Moons Nodes which go from the 12th House Pisces to 6th House Virgo. Thus,
Mercury is the ruler of the Moons North Node. The ruler of the Moons South Node
is Neptune, which is in Virgo. Hawking declared that God was not necessary for the
creation of the Universe, because the law of gravity would be, by its own virtue,
capable to generate the Universe from nothing (Mercury in Capricorn-gravityruling Neptune in Virgo-emptiness or nothing). The obvious question would be:
who created the law of gravity? Hawkings need to deny the necessity of God, and
thus, repress his own insights (Mercury in Capricorn) is reflected in the Moons
South Node ruler Neptune being in Virgo: having accepted in his past wrong
beliefs, or in other words, having wrongly identified, because of manmade beliefs
(Jupiter in Gemini squaring the Nodes), a part (Virgo) as the totality (Pisces), this
inducing a compulsive need to think in linear and analytical terms, and to rebel
against beliefs, including his prior belief in God.

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Reply #148 on: Jan 09, 2011, 09:57 AM

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Hi Gonzalo,
What you have presented and shared is simply astounding and incredible. I would
like to suggest that you consider writing a book for about Mercury's role within
Evolutionary Astrology. At this point in time we have a publisher in England,
Wessex, who very much desires to publish substantial works on EA. If I remember
right you have Uranus in the 3rd. You would be a perfect vehicle to write on
Mercury's role in EA Gonzalo.
Just incredible work.
God Bless, Rad

(Jupiter in Gemini squaring the Nodes), a part (Virgo) as the totality (Pisces), this
inducing a compulsive need to think in linear and analytical terms, and to rebel
against beliefs, including his prior belief in God.

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Reply #148 on: Jan 09, 2011, 09:57 AM

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Hi Gonzalo,
What you have presented and shared is simply astounding and incredible. I would
like to suggest that you consider writing a book for about Mercury's role within
Evolutionary Astrology. At this point in time we have a publisher in England,
Wessex, who very much desires to publish substantial works on EA. If I remember
right you have Uranus in the 3rd. You would be a perfect vehicle to write on
Mercury's role in EA Gonzalo.
Just incredible work.
God Bless, Rad

N of Mercury in Sagittarius
Current Mercury Rx in Capricorn (conjunct its NN)
NN of Mercury in Capricorn
Quote from: Rad on Dec 22, 2010, 10:19 AM
One of the evolutionary needs of any Mercury retrograde symbol, no matter what the sign, is to eliminate or jettison existing ideas
that have accumulated within the Soul that need to be let go of so that the evolution of the Soul can proceed. And, because of this,
when we see Mercury retro in a birth chart it will commonly correlate to a Soul that can only take in new information that is specific
to it's own evolutionary needs. When it is orientated to information that it actually needs in order for it's evolution to proceed this
can then create a 'photographic' memory. So, if you feel like it, see if you can apply these archetypal correlations of the Mercury
retrograde to what you have already stated.

Hi Rad,
This is my brief "re-do" as suggested by you:
The evolutionary need of Mercury Rx is to eliminate an over-abundance of existing ideas that have accumulated within the Soul.
These existing ideas are described by the Planetary South Node of Mercury in Sagittarius and include patterns of writing, speaking,
communicating, methods of collecting information and data, techniques dealing with daily environment, perceptions, and modes of
thinking.
The accumulated communication/thinking patterns were made up of a great variety of: philosophies; world views; inquiries and
examinations into science, ecology, astrology, psychology; desire to travel to different countries and experience different cultures;
educational systems or methods of study/learning;

spiritual teachings and teachers;

consciousness-expanding techniques;

religious dogma; and mysticism.

So that the evolution of the Soul can proceed, the Mercury Rx function allows the Soul to throw off the old modes of thinking and
excessive ideological baggage. This takes place in a unique Uranian kind of way, with the freedom to throw off this excess
information becoming heightened and accelerated.
Depressed or reflective thinking processes become necessary so as to create the awareness of what the Soul needs to structurally
change within his intellectual organization (ie what he needs to throw off based on the limitations in his belief systems or
intellectual organization) and what new ideas, desires or ambitions he needs to initiate in his inner and outer reality, so as to build
a new intellectual framework that is stronger than the previous one (SN Mercury in Sag) and allows an evolution toward a larger
truth (Cap).
In the current life, the Soul can only take in new information that is specific to it's evolutionary needs, as described by the current
Mercury Rx in Capricorn.

Basically the Soul is throwing off the excess of information so that the quantity becomes more

conservative. The unrestrained search for information is quietened, and the Soul becomes concerned with developing a mental/
intellectual "structure" that serves a societal purpose. The Soul maintains his natural intellectual curiosity but this is carried out in
a more orderly fashion, restricting what is unnecessary, and allowing what is essential. The Soul builds and constructs his
intellectual framework in a self-determined and organized way, thus working toward achieving personal authority.

The need to take in new information specific to its ongoing evolutionary needs is described by the Planetary North Node of Mercury
in Capricorn. This need can create a photographic memory or an ability to organize certain types of information. The Soul will
remember what it "understands" or what is of value to it in its evolutionary journey, rather than meaningless information.
~~~
Thanks Rad.

Mercury correlates to the function of perception; how a soul picks up various data and information from its

environment, processes that information and integrates it to recognize and decifer phenomenal reality. It also corresponds to the
particular information that the soul is naturally drawn to investigate. Interpreting the south node of Mercury is a looking glass into
the mind of the soul- and the deductive faculties it has developed.
South node of Mercury in Sagittarius correlates to a soul that has lived many life times developing its intuition as a medium of
thought. Thus this soul has been interested in information that pertains to understanding the meaning of life from a cosmological,
philosophical or spiritual point of view.
Innate within this signature is also a vast curiosity to find the truth- and thus many lifetimes of this soul "going on a journey" to
connect the dots of it's own understanding- filling in the blank spaces with more experience that ultimately serves to make more
sense out of life. Both the possibility of getting lost in seeking to the point of acquiring too much data, sometimes making sense
and other times not at all, as well as the possibility of becoming defensive over the ideas that it has logically formulated to itself
based on some sort of belief system that "proves itself" through a narrow scope of data (ie belief in creationism, logically proved on
the based on limited data).
Sagittarius corresponds to the noumena. What life is in its essence. The point of this signature is to develop an awareness of the
logical principals that govern natural law. Basically, this soul has been engaged in the study of how truth operates, varying
according to evolutionary state.
This soul also has a memory of a time when all souls lived in accordance to natural law. This would correspond to the age of
Sagittarius. This soul memory also corresponds to the Gemini Sub age of Sagittarius- (Originally, I was hoping to understand these
ages through the yugas, but I'm unclear about all of that right now. So I'll let that one rest). The most recent age that occured was
the age of Gemini. Intuitively, this age corresponds to the time when all souls were developing the faculty of perception- relating to
reality from the point of view of the mind. Collecting data, naming things, creating classifications. This is also when the
interconnectedness between human and nature became logically understood (Gemini= enviroment). Thus this age corresponds a
time when souls began studying the patterns of nature, the patterns of the earth, and shaping life styles that interact with those
patterns. Thus agriculture and other such projects became wide spread.
Natal Mercury is placed in Capricorn and is retrograde. It is also on the north node of Capricorn. This has various implications. The
cosmology established in Sagittarius becomes the basis of the structures that are crystalized in Capricorn. In this case, the soul has
been heavily immersed in it's society by way of having held the role to structure, organize, and define the cosmology of the times.
The need for a common language that would provide cohesion for the community and a common reference point is implied in
Capricorn. Thus this soul has been interested in documenting, "writing the book" so to speak about how life operates. Thus this soul
has been immensely self aware of social opinion and judgements when it comes to consensus opinions of what is true and what is
not true. This isn't just about over-arching philosophies, this would correlate to how society viewed itself in relation to nature in all
regards- even down to gender roles (The age of Gemini proceeded the age of Cancer. Thus this soul has been a part of a world that
gradually began to view itself as actually being separate from nature. And has begun to "think" itself as being other than what it
naturally is. Point and case: the garden of eden myth and the "tree of knowledge").
In the consensus state this soul has been completely a part of the consensus reality and has adopted and perhaps been responsible
for the application of the ideas, and the words/language/vocabulary that reflect those ideas about life. This can also correlate to
particular religions that institutionalized various cannons as "sacred text" (Capricorn by way of Sag). This can also have manifested
as structuring the scientific knowledge of the time. This knoweldge would have been whatever was the prevailing beleif. Based on
the retrogradation of Mercury, and it being on it's own north node, this soul has developed immensely in this area, however has
been overly focused on it's purpose to the point of overemphasizing its own use of logic. This has created an abundance of
extraneous ideas about how to live, what is right and wrong etc that are way too complicated and complex. In this life, the core
intent of this signature is for this soul to actually detach itself from the beleifs and values of the consensus reality and reflect,
introspect into the nature of it's own ideas and, on its own, come to realize what is relevant to its social purpose and actually
helpful in creating tangible social definition, and what is not. This would then enable the soul to respond to the consensus need for
clear definition without getting convoluded by too many point of views. In the end gaining the necessary social credentials
(Capricorn) such that it's words can be trusted and credible in society is important. This adds the emphasis and pressure for this

soul to work this out.

In the individuated state this would correlate to a soul that has had a wide exposure to various cultuers and cosmologies and is
innately interested on deconditioning its mind such that it can understand life and speak a language that is common to all, not just
based on a limited world view. The essence of this signature in this state is developing the rational function, so that ideas can be
scientifically tested to reality. This again requires effort by way of the soul becoming inwardly focused in order to investigate and
explore what actually is, the way things are. Then this soul may have a specific social role to fulfill on behalf of its community,
especially in the latter stages of the individuated state, that has to do with defining a particular social vision that would create
community organization and co-hesion. This role may be about awareness of government policies, writting about human's innate
relationship with nature (permaculture for example), re-defining certain terms, words, concepts that are more true to the way
things are (such as the use of gender pronouns) etc.
In the spiritual state this would correlate to a soul that is wired to understand the underlying principals of manifested creation and
to communicate them in such a way that these principals can become embraced on a collective level as social concepts that are
universal and timeless. Thus learning how to write, communicate and define the nature of things in a way that provides intellectual
and philosopohical co-hesion and direction. The challenge for this soul would be learning to differentiate between what is true and
what is just a beleif. Thus the necessity to commit to a personal life of self inquiry, personal investigation into one's own nature in
order to discover the truth. This soul may have been a part of spiritual groups, or may have even been a leader of such groups. In
all cases the soul needs to reflect on the ideas that have become crystalized in its consciousness and understand, on its own, how
those ideas are in fact just a patriarchal distortion (Capricorn). Through this introspection, this soul will gradually develop the self
mastery that will enable it to become focused entirely on a spiritual path that provides the language and context for understanding
natural law. In higher states of evolution for example, this soul can commit itself to providing very clear definition and language
that can guide others. This language will eventually become so socially concrete, and structurally clear, that it may become almost
like a dictionary for a particular spiritual modality, or cosmological system of thought.
In all cases, these signatures imply a soul that is highly sensitive to the fact that it has work to do (Capricorn) and thus gradually
aware of the limitation of years it has in this world. This is a soul who at first will lack the focus and self awareness that enables it
to develop it's own understanding in the appropriate way (mercury retrograde), and yet over time, if this soul develops the
maturity, will excell greatly in this area to the point of becoming highly specialized and expert at whatever mental constructs it is
organizing (Mercury retrograde, conjunct nn of Mercury in Capricorn).
k, here is the natal chart of Jesus, and the chart of his crucifixion. The planetary nodes of Jesus are these:
Mercury: N.Node = 18 Pisces ................ S.Node = 12 Aquarius
Venus:

N.Node = 10 Aries .................. S.Node = 29 Capricorn

Mars:

N.Node = 12 Aries ...................S.Node = 15 Sagittarius

Saturn:

N.Node = 0 Cancer..................S.Node = 10 Capricorn

Uranus:

N.Node = 1 Gemini ...................S.Node = 7 Sagittarius

Neptune N.Node = 18 Cancer..................S.Node = 21 Capricorn

Pluto

N.Node = 21 Gemini .................S.Node = 24 Sagittarius

So what I would like us to do is examine all of the South Planetary Nodes as they lead to the life of Jesus. Later on we can talk
about the N.Nodes. Especially as they apply to the Crucifixion day.
God Bless, RadJWG Quote:

The Virgo/Pisces archetype as manifest within Natural Lawhas everything to do with UNITING with

the totality of NATURE, being one WITHIN IT, thus serving and sustaining IT'S integrity BECAUSE OF BEING IN BALANCE, AND AT
ONE, WITH IT

Evolutionary past: The Planetary South Nodes of Pluto, Mars and Uranus in
Sagittarius (Natural Law), and Pluto/Virgo/9th correlate to living in harmony with
Nature, virgin nature. Neptune balsamic conjunction to the South Node indicates
spiritualization of past egocentric structures.
Humility of service: The Virgo/Pisces archetype in the chart of Jesus. Every
planet and both Nodes are linked to Pluto/Virgo.
Immaculate conception: The 12th house cusp (Source) is ruled by Pluto/Virgo.
Neptune is the Final Dispositor of the chart. Neptune symbolizes the totality of
life, and transcending of the personal will. Mary's reply to Angel Gabriel:
Behold the handmaid of the Lord,
be it done to me according to thy word
correlates to complete surrender and submission to God's will.
Mary, mother of Jesus: The 4th house cusp (mother) and 5th house cusp
(child-bearing) are ruled by Mars/Virgo (masculine/feminine principles) in the 9th
house of Natural Law. The 8th house cusp, Cancer (mother), is ruled by Moon/
Pisces, describes Jesus' mother Mary merging with the Source of Creation. Pluto/
Virgo is opposite the Moon in Pisces. The Moon in Pisces describes how Holy Mary
is full of grace, free of sin and innocent. Ruler of the Moon is Pluto/Virgo.
Virgo: The Virgin in the Virgo glyph has a lamp in one hand, as a sign of the
spiritual light, the light in darkness, in the other an ear of corn, representing her
son as the spiritual food of mankind.

Thanks for your analysis. I want to wait before I comment to much before Ari has a chance to share his analysis as well. One thing
I would like to say is that it is very, very important to understand the Soul of Jesus, it's nature, in order to understand how and
why Mary came to be his mother. The very nature of the Soul of Jesus was to teach about the underlying unity and equality of all
humans: men and women, rich and poor, sick or not sick, and so on. His Soul, as all of ours have been, was exposed to the
tremendous distortions to this Natural Law due to the invented cosmologies by MEN that made them superior to women. And all the
'religious' justifications that then followed those distorted cosmologies that then 'justified' all the laws, rights and wrongs, cultural
taboos, and so on. Not just to women but to any human who was so subjected to these distortions. For example, India itself where
he spent a period of time and was thus exposed to their 'caste' system. And, of course, the very nature of his travels through so
many lands in which he was exposed to this distortions in one form or another which also of course was manifest in Judea itself.
The history of his Soul through time, beyond the specific life of Jesus, was not only to be exposed to these distortions, perversions,
to Natural Laws but also to teach against them. There were certain lives as well, long ago, in which he got caught up in these
distortions and actually lived them out in his own way which only contributed to his own Soul anger against himself. It is that very
anger at himself that progressively, through many lives, lead to the life of Jesus in which he did all that he could to teach about the
Natural Laws, the core equality and unity of all humans.
It is important to understand this in order to understand not only why he was born through his mother Mary, but to also
understand the role of Mary Magdalena as well. There is a specific link, a common thread, between each of these Mary's. When this
is understood then we will be able to understand the possibility of the immaculate conception, and why. One of the clues to this
common thread is seen in his birth chart with his S.Nodes of Venus, Saturn, Neptune and Vesta are in Capricorn and in his 2nd/1st
Houses . And those are naturally ruled by his Saturn in Pisces in his 3rd which is conjunct all of his Pisces planets including his
Moon, Venus, and Uranus. His natal Vesta is conjunct and within all his Pisces planets as well. And those are of course opposed by
his Pluto/Mars. And, in the end, all of this comes down too, as you pointed out, his natal Neptune IN SCORPIO, with his S. Node in
the 11th House.
Ok, let's start with one of the issues first: the possibility of an immaculate conception by his mother Mary. At first, let's see if he
has a signature in his chart that would so symbolize such a phenomena. So let's have a go at it.
I'm starting this by looking at Moon, Cancer and 4th house. He has Cancer on the 8th. At his evolutionary state, home IS a

universal concept, it is linked with God. The separating desires linked with identification with a separate ego have already been
exhausted. The ruler of that Cancer is his Moon in Pisces which through the stellium is in opposition to the ruler of his 4th house,
Mars in Virgo. By rulership, everything does in fact lead back to Pisces in the 3rd, which is of course ruled by Neptune leading to the
sn in Scorpio in the 11th house.
The 11th house, ruled by Venus, points leads back to Pisces in the 3rd. There are a few observations here: His own mother has
possibly been a sibling in the past- and they have been a part of the same community. It also corresponds to the nature of the
Mother herself as serving a role to unify that which is separate, to dissolve the effects of patriarchal conditioning.
When I think of immaculate conception, I link Moon and Sun with Neptune. This is of course very clear in his chart. The question
"who is the father, the one planting the seed" is something that I feel is necessary to look at here. How do we look at that in a
chart in general?
The impregnator, the one planting the seed- intuitively, I think this may be Mars/Pluto. The very nature of those archetypes
symbolize the natural instinct within all souls to get the hell away from God, and the deep craving for God.
All of those dynamics are exemplified through sexuality- the very nature of the masculine and feminine which correlates to the very
nature of duality. So long as there is an object of craving or an object of aversion there exists duality. The duality of male and
female can only be united via the exhaustion of alll desires which creates that separation in the first place.
For a soul who has exhausted all desires, and is living full God consciousness, or at least almost full- there is absolutely no impulse
to merge through any physical form. She is united with nature herself. Thus, like the earth which receives all of its nourishment
through Grace, and takes nothing that is not given, perhaps Mary was the recipient of the seed of God. Astrologically, if this is a
Mars/Pluto thing, then we see how that is naturally linked in with the Pisces/Virgo axis. I absolutely love that quote from JWG that
Linda quoted:
Quote
The Virgo/Pisces archetype as manifest within Natural Lawhas everything to do with UNITING with the totality of NATURE, being
one WITHIN IT, thus serving and sustaining IT'S integrity BECAUSE OF BEING IN BALANCE, AND AT ONE, WITH IT
Taking into account the strong karmic linkage between Capricorn and Pisces would be important. Many of the Pisces planets,
including Neptune itself, has its south node in Capricorn in the 1st and second. What does this say that is relevant to this
exploration? Beyond the level of implying a longer, independence, and a soul that has held responsibility for the masses- it also
points to the archetypal notion of "authority"; the rules that all souls must follow according to their own karmic requirements.
Capricorn symbolizes the "father in heaven" the sole spiritual authority, which is the natural consequences and facets of natural
law. The ruler of Capricorn, Saturn is conjunct the Moon in Pisces. The Capricorn Cancer interface here through the sn of the Pisces,
Neptune, the ruler of all that Capricorn being in Pisces and conjunct the Moon implies something that I'm not seeing right now! I'm
going to give my head a rest and come back to this later and see what feedback you offer.
God bless,Hi Linda and Ari,
First I want to commend you both for making the EA effort that you have to try to understand this potential phenomena of the
immaculate conception relative to the mother of Jesus. The various symbols that you both used to arrive at your analysis all
reflected this possibility.
I think we would all agree that the phenomena of a immaculate conception would be considered to be a pretty unusual
phenomena. Biologically speaking it is indeed possible for a conception to happen in this way as various biological scientists have
proved. In essence it comes down to 'a cellular' reproduction wherein a cell can reproduce itself from within itself. There are various
forms of life that do indeed reproduce themselves in this way. As an aside, many years ago there was a book written by some
evolutionary biologists from England called 'The Redundant Male' in which these biologists presented their work about this way of
reproduction and demonstrated that women still have this genetic capacity.
Looking at the birth chart of Jesus the signature certainly exists for this way of being conceived to have occurred. When Mary was
'visited' by the Light, the Light of God, that created the conception of the Soul of Jesus it was this Light infusing her own Soul that
simultaneously triggered the physiological processes within her that created a fetus in which the Soul of Jesus thus inhabited. The
Soul of Jesus was within the Light that infused Mary's soul.
Understood in this way the astrological signature in the chart of Jesus becomes straight forwards. It starts of course with his
S.Node conjunct Neptune in his 11th House which is square to his Mercury in Aquarius which, in turn, is square his N.Node in
Taurus in the 5th House. Here we can certainly see the symbols for an 'unusual' conception leading the the birth of the Soul of
Jesus. In these symbols we can see the infusion of the Light of God triggering a physiological process leading to the immaculate

conception within Mary that lead to the birth of the Soul of Jesus. This is reinforced by the ruler of his N.Node in Taurus in the 5th:
his Venus is Pisces which is conjunct his Saturn, Vesta, Sun, and Moon. The symbols of a divine Mother and Father now become
clear. And, of course, all those Pisces planets come back to his S.Node conjunct Neptune in Scorpio in the 11th. We can even see in
these symbols the threat the to the life of baby Jesus that required Mary and Joseph to hide him in order for his survival to happen:
the ruler of the Neptune, S.Node being Pluto with Mars in Virgo in the 9th in opposition to all those Pisces planets. Thus, 'traveling'
to a safe place in order for baby Jesus to survive: in a manger surrounded by animals. The need to travel in order to protect baby
Jesus, his survival, is also symbolized by his Mercury in his 2nd House, ruled by the 3rd House Uranus in opposition to his Pluto.
Additionally, his S.Node of Venus and Vesta is also in his 2nd House which also refers back to his natal Saturn in Pisces conjunct the
rest of his Pisces planets.
The next issue is of course why Mary ? Why this Soul ? And what is the connection, the common thread, to Mary of Magdalena ? To
answer these questions it is essential to understand actual his/her story versus the invented mythologies of each. So let's try to see
this again through the chart of Jesus himself, and his own actual histories.
Conception is Scorpio, the 8th House, and, of course, Pluto. Taurus, the 2nd House, and the inner side of Venus all correlate to the
procreation instinct where that instinct is a function of the survival of the species. The 8th House, Pluto, and Scorpio correlate to
the sexual union of two Souls that thus allows for a conception of another Soul to take place. The result of this conception will be
the birth of a child: the natural squares to the 5th House, Leo, and the Sun from the 2nd, Taurus, and the inner side of Venus.
God Bless, RadJesus' SN of Saturn Cap 1st sextiles Moon, Sun and Vesta Pisces 3rd - and sextiles NN Taurus 5th. This could
describe a karmic contract between Jesus, his mother Mary and Mary Magdelena. These are all disposited by Neptune Scorpio 11th
conjunct the SN. It was destined in their 'group' that Mary bring birth to Jesus (Taurus 5th) and for Magdelena to be his companion
(Vesta Pisces 3rd).

Moon = Mary
Sun = Jesus
Vesta = Magdelena
(all tightly conjunct, a stellium, in Pisces 3rd)
SN of Neptune = Source energy
SN of Venus (ruler of Taurus 5th) = mother Mary
SN of Vesta = Mary Magdelena
(all form a stellium in Cap 1st & 2nd)
All of the planets in Jesus' chart are "feminine" (except for Mercury) showing the
love, devotion and caring the three shared for one another.
The "water" trinity in Jesus' chart is made up of the NN of Neptune in Cancer 7th SN Neptune Scorpio - and the Pisces planets in the 3rd.
Mary Magdelena was a close companion to Jesus, and was said to be his favourite
disciple. Their teacher/disciple relationship is signified by Vesta (divine servant) in
the 3rd house, Virgo (disciple, service), 9th house (Natural Law, travel), and the
NN of Jupiter, Uranus and Vesta 6th (disciple).
Vesta, the Great Mother Goddess, personified by the Moon, was represented by
the sacred flame symbolizing the kundalini fire and secret powers of sexual
transmutation.

Vesta correlates to Virgo (the virgin) and Scorpio (sex and

passion), and the combination is associated with sex on a visceral and

subconscious level as a ritualistic act of service.
Vesta Pisces 3rd (symbolizing Magdelena) squares the NN of Vesta Gemini 6th
could account for health problems such as mental instability/illness (?) which were
healed and purified by Jesus. On the other hand, Vesta (hearth) is associated with
the Latin word for "focus" - to concentrate on a specific task or goal, tying in with
the Virgo work ethic and meticulous approach to problem-solving. The NNs of
Uranus, Jupiter, Vesta and Pluto in Gemini 6th & 7th, all ruled by Mercury in
Aquarius, show the "unusual" relationship between them.
Mercury Aquarius 2nd ruling the 7th house cusp correlates to self-reliance in his
relationships, while the Moon Pisces 3rd ruling his 8th house cusp correlates to
intimate relationships (if any).
While Mary Magdelena had 'problems,' his mother Mary was portrayed as 'free of
sin.' This could correlate to the Virgo/Pisces polarity.

the Latin word for "focus" - to concentrate on a specific task or goal, tying in with
the Virgo work ethic and meticulous approach to problem-solving. The NNs of
Uranus, Jupiter, Vesta and Pluto in Gemini 6th & 7th, all ruled by Mercury in
Aquarius, show the "unusual" relationship between them.
Mercury Aquarius 2nd ruling the 7th house cusp correlates to self-reliance in his
relationships, while the Moon Pisces 3rd ruling his 8th house cusp correlates to
intimate relationships (if any).
While Mary Magdelena had 'problems,' his mother Mary was portrayed as 'free of
sin.' This could correlate to the Virgo/Pisces polarity.
Mary = Pisces (pure and innocent)
Magdelena = Virgo, Vesta and NN of Vesta Gemini 6th (in need of purification)
Mother Mary and Jesus are symbolized by Moon conjunct Sun Pisces 3rd. She and
Jesus were united as One, in the Spiritual state, their lives were completely
surrendered to the will of God.
The NN of Neptune Cancer 7th and the NN of Saturn Cancer 7th shows Jesus'
destiny, the 'extremes' suffered on the cross, and the main relationships in his life
with the two Mary's.
The NN of Chiron sits in Libra in the 10th house, conjunct the MC, symbolizing
"healing" for humanity through suffering the extremes on the cross, and his
message of equality for everyone reaching the whole world.
The NN of Chiron 10th (wound) squares the NN of Saturn 7th, and this shows the
sacrifice Jesus made so that others could step over into the higher consciousness
of the outer planets to heal their relationship with God. He showed the 'way' to
heal the imbalances and distortions of the patriarchy.
The midpoint of the NN of Chiron and the NN of Saturn opposes Mercury Aquarius
2nd (the "skipped steps"). This midpoint in the 8th (death and resurrection) forms
a grand cross with Mercury and the Nodes, and reminded me of the "cross" that
Jesus died upon. Cancer on the 8th house cusp denotes conception, the womb,
tomb, and resurrection.
Jesus' SN of Jupiter and SN of Pluto are conjunct the Galactic Centre 28 Sag.
I hope some of this accurate.
Thanks Rad!

hank you both for making the effort that you both have over this questions and issues. They can be difficult to address only
because the actual history of not only Jesus, but both Mary's, has been so horribly distorted through time relative to various
agendas by others that necessitated those distortions. This included what to put in the Bible in the 4th Century, and what not.
Other disciples had their own 'gospels' other than what were 'allowed' in the current Bible when it was first put together. And we
must also remember that even all those gospels were not written by the disciples themselves. They were written by others who
were exposed to the various disciples in which whatever it is that they had to say was passed down to others primarily by word of
mouth at first, and then, finally recorded as written words. So, obviously, that in and of itself can create a 'reality' that is not
necessarily the actual reality of the words that were spoken by the disciples when they spoke them. One of those gospels was the
gospel of Phillip. Within that gospel stands the actual truth of the relationship of Jesus to Mary Magdalena.
To understand both Mary's it is important, again, to understand the nature of Jesus, his Soul, and his own evolutionary/ karmic
background which we have discussed some in this thread. A deep, core, part of his Soul reality is one of desiring to teach Natural
Law, and to act upon it. In essence, the natural principles of Creation as manifested on the Earth. Of course this did collide with all
others whose 'religions' , and the moralities that were extensions of them, were in violation of those natural principles. A simple of
example of this was his absolute rage at the 'money changers' at the temple in Jerusalem. But deeper than this was his rage at
false religions that were used as justifications to treat men as superior to women first and foremost. Within that the downtrodden,
the persecuted, anyone who was considered odd or strange and treated as they were because of this, the sick and all those who
would be taken advantage of by others who had distorted religious or philosophical realities within them.
His desire, and one of his deepest 'missions', was to demonstrate the core equality of all humans, and that those who were being
treated and judged badly by peoples who had false religions are just as 'holy' as those who already considered themselves holy.
Remember here the story of the 'tax collector' who all despised. Even that tax collector became one of his disciples. And of course
the story of stoning an adulterer and prostitute his words to those who would throw the stones was something like 'for those of you
who have not sinned, throw the first stone'. Of course they could not.
The common thread of both Mary's is the thread of prostitution. Relative to his mother Mary this is why he also had siblings: half
brothers and sisters. She was rescued or saved by what was to become her husband: Joseph. In essence he took her in, yet did not
want to have intimate sexual relations with her. Mary's Soul nature was one of intense faith, and wanting to live for, and do, God's
work. Long ago in her own history she was one of the original 'sacred prostitutes' that were created by men around 5,500 BC. That
role was created by men as they progressively suppressed the natural role of Vesta in the natural times, called the matriarchy now,
that proceeded the progressive patriarchal takeover of those natural times. This is why the sacred prostitute of those times was
thought of as being able to 'absolve' men of their sins: all that they had done wrong as a consequence of being in violation of the
Natural Laws, the natural principles of Creation. One of half brothers of Jesus was a Soul named Steven. And it is this Steven who
tried to start the first 'church' that taught the teachings of Jesus himself. And, of course, he was destroyed as Jesus had been
destroyed.
And, of course, Jesus had his own prior life connections to the Soul of this Mary. It is enough to know that without going into much
more detail. The point is that it all lead to the moment that was to be called the 'immaculate conception'. That a 'prostitute', a
former one, could be used by God in this way so as to teach humans, to remind them, of Natural Laws, of natural principles. To
make them aware of the distortions of their own 'religious' doctrines, and the wrong judgments of humans because of. Mary's core
desire, again, was to dedicate herself to God, and to do God's work. And it was her faith in that natural God that allowed her to be
'visited' in the way that she was that allowed for physiological process to occur called the immaculate conception.
Mary Magdalena was a Soul that Jesus also had deep prior life connections too, and those included some intimate bonding's in
certain lives. She was also linked to the original 'sacred prostitutes' in the time that Mary the mother of Jesus was also part of.
They had a very intense bond in the life they shared in this way. When she first approached Jesus in the life of Jesus he
immediately remembered, of course, his prior life linkages to her just as he did with John the Baptist. And it was her own deep
desire to to know God, and to do God's work, her FAITH in God, that then set in motion her relationship with Jesus. This was all
part of his 'mission' and teachings for those in Judea, and beyond, that created the scenarios with both his mother Jesus, and Mary
Magdalena.
The relationship Jesus had with Mary Magdalena was also about him recovering some of his own 'skipped steps' as symbolized by
his Mercury squaring his Lunar Nodes. And that Mercury is also the ruler of his 7th House. This means that relative to his S.Nodes
of Venus, Vesta, and the S.Node of Mercury that he has also accepted in certain recent lives leading to the life of Jesus the
distorted patriarchal doctrines of required 'celibacy' in order to know God. His Soul had to rebel against that false doctrine in order
to recover his skipped steps in this way. With his natal Juno conjunct his natal Mercury he thus remembered the natural teaching of
natural sexuality that others have termed tantra. This was also done, again, in order to confront the 'moralities', the rights and

wrongs, of the false religious teachings of the culture of his birth, and beyond. And we must remember a simple historical fact: in
Judea no man was allowed to teach or lecture in the synagogues unless he was married. Jesus did so teach and lecture in these
synagogues.
Mary was indeed his disciple as well. She served in many ways as an intermediary between him and the other disciples. The reason
is that Jesus taught through metaphor, parables, and analogies. She was able to help the disciples understand the meaning of his
words. This was one of her primary roles. And, of course, she was chosen to be present with the mother of Jesus, Mary, upon the
Resurrection. This was deliberate for the reasons that must be clear now. She ended up living a very long life in which, after Jesus
was killed, she journeyed with the disciple John ending up a small island called Patos in what is now called Turkey.
So this is the common thread of both of the Mary's, and the fact of Jesus having half brothers and sisters. It is also important to
know, or understand, that because of Jesus teaching that men and women are equal, and demonstrating this in many ways
including both Mary's, that for the first two centuries both men and women taught her teachings equally. By the time the Bible was
being assembled this teaching of his was then progressively repressed and utterly distorted to where only men could be priests.
God Bless, Rad

Maria Montessori From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Born

August 31, 1870(1870-08-31)

Chiaravalle (Ancona), Italy

Died

May 6, 1952(1952-05-06) (aged 81)

Noordwijk, Netherlands
Resting place
Nationality
Education

University of Rome La Sapienza Medical School

Occupation
Known for

Noordwijk, Netherlands
Italian
Physician and educator

Founder of the Montessori method of education

Religion

Catholic

Children

Mario Montessori Sr.

Maria Montessori (August 32, 1870 May 6, 1952) was an Italian physician and
educator, a noted humanitarian and devout Catholic best known for the philosophy
of education which bears her name. Her educational method is in use today in
public as well as private schools throughout the world.
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Maria Montessori was born in 1870 in Chiaravalle (Ancona), Italy, to Alessandro
Montessori and Renilde Stoppani (niece of Antonio Stoppani).[1] At the age of
thirteen she attended an all-boy technical school in preparation for her dream of
becoming an engineer.[2] Montessori was the first woman to graduate from the
University of Rome La Sapienza Medical School, becoming one of the first female
doctors in Italy. She was a member of the University's Psychiatric Clinic and
became intrigued with trying to educate the "special needs" or "unhappy little
ones"[3] and the "uneducatable" in Rome. In 1896, she gave a lecture at the
Educational Congress in Torino about the training of the disabled. The Italian
Minister of Education was in attendance, and, sufficiently impressed by her
arguments, appointed her the same year as director of the Scuola Ortofrenica, an
institution devoted to the care and education of the mentally retarded. She
accepted, in order to put her theories to proof. Her first notable success was to
have several of her 8 year old students apply to take the State examinations for
reading and writing. The "defective" children not only passed, but had aboveaverage scores, an achievement described as "the first Montessori miracle."[4]
Montessori's response to their success was "if mentally disabled children could be
brought to the level of normal children then (she) wanted to study the potential of
'normal' children".[5]
"Scientific observation has established that education is not what the teacher
gives; education is a natural process spontaneously carried out by the human
individual, and is acquired not by listening to words but by experiences upon the
environment. The task of the teacher becomes that of preparing a series of
motives of cultural activity, spread over a specially prepared environment, and
then refraining from obtrusive interference. Human teachers can only help the
great work that is being done, as servants help the master. Doing so, they will be
witnesses to the unfolding of the human soul and to the rising of a New Man who

Montessori's response to their success was "if mentally disabled children could be
brought to the level of normal children then (she) wanted to study the potential of
'normal' children".[5]
"Scientific observation has established that education is not what the teacher
gives; education is a natural process spontaneously carried out by the human
individual, and is acquired not by listening to words but by experiences upon the
environment. The task of the teacher becomes that of preparing a series of
motives of cultural activity, spread over a specially prepared environment, and
then refraining from obtrusive interference. Human teachers can only help the
great work that is being done, as servants help the master. Doing so, they will be
witnesses to the unfolding of the human soul and to the rising of a New Man who
will not be a victim of events, but will have the clarity of vision to direct and shape
the future of human society".[6]
Because of her success with these children, she was asked to start a school for
children in a housing project in Rome, which opened on January 6, 1907, and
which she called "Casa dei Bambini" or Children's House. Children's House was a
child care center in an apartment building in the poor neighborhood of Rome. She
was focused on teaching the students ways to develop their own skills at a pace
they set, which was a principle Montessori called "spontaneous self-development".
[7] A wide variety of special equipment of increasing complexity is used to help
direct the interests of the child and hasten development. When a child is ready to
learn new and more difficult tasks, the teacher guides the child's first endeavors in
order to avoid wasted effort and the learning of wrong habits; otherwise the child
learns alone. It has been reported that the Montessori method of teaching has
enabled children to learn to read and write much more quickly and with greater
facility than has otherwise been possible.[8] The Montessori Method of teaching
concentrates on quality rather than quantity.[6] The success of this school sparked
the opening of many more, and a worldwide interest in Montessori's methods of
education.
After the 1907 establishment of Montessori's first school in Rome, by 1917 there
was an intense interest in her method in North America, which later waned, in
large part due[citation needed] to the publication of a small booklet entitled "The
Montessori System Examined" by William Heard Kilpatrick - a follower of John
Dewey. (Nancy McCormick Rambusch contributed to the revival of the method in
America by establishing the American Montessori Society in 1960); at the same
time Margaret Stephenson came to the US from Europe and began a long history
of training Montessori teachers under the auspices of the Association Montessori
Internationale (AMI). Montessori was exiled by Mussolini mostly because[citation
needed] she refused to compromise her principles and make the children into
soldiers. She moved to Spain and lived there until 1936 when the Spanish Civil
War broke out. She then moved to the Netherlands until 1939.
In the year 1939, the Theosophical Society of India extended an invitation asking
Maria Montessori to visit India. She accepted the invitation and reached India the
very same year accompanied by her only son, Mario Montessori Sr. This heralded
the beginning of her special relationship with India. She made the international
Headquarters of the Theosophical Society at Adyar, Chennai, her home. However
the war forced her to extend her stay in India. With the help of her son, Mario, she
conducted sixteen batches of courses called the Indian Montessori Training
Courses. These courses laid a strong foundation for the Montessori Movement in
India. In 1949 when she left for The Netherlands she appointed Albert Max Joosten
as her personal representative, and assigned him the responsibility of conducting
the Indian Montessori Training Courses. Joosten along with Swamy S R, another
disciple of Montessori, continued her work and ensured that the Montessori
Movement in India was on a sound footing.
During a teachers conference in India she was interned by the authorities and lived
there for the duration of the war. Montessori lived out the remainder of her life in
the Netherlands, which now hosts the headquarters of the AMI, or Association
Montessori Internationale. She died in Noordwijk aan Zee. Her son Mario headed
the AMI until his death in 1982.
Maria Montessori died in the Netherlands in 1952, after a lifetime devoted to the
study of child development. Her success in Italy led to international recognition,
and for over 40 years she traveled all over the world, lecturing, writing and
establishing training programs. In later years, 'Educate for Peace' became a
guiding principle, which underpinned her work

During a teachers conference in India she was interned by the authorities and lived
there for the duration of the war. Montessori lived out the remainder of her life in
the Netherlands, which now hosts the headquarters of the AMI, or Association
Montessori Internationale. She died in Noordwijk aan Zee. Her son Mario headed
the AMI until his death in 1982.
Maria Montessori died in the Netherlands in 1952, after a lifetime devoted to the
study of child development. Her success in Italy led to international recognition,
and for over 40 years she traveled all over the world, lecturing, writing and
establishing training programs. In later years, 'Educate for Peace' became a
guiding principle, which underpinned her work

Let's start with your own desires to connect to natal planets to the planetary nodes. There is so much in her chart that speaks to
the nature of her life, and the history of her Soul, that set up the life that she lived: the relationship between the natal planets and
her planetary nodes. For example, the exact conjunction of her S.Node of the Moon to the S.Node of Pluto, and by a couple of
degrees to her S.Node of Saturn. These then refer to her natal Saturn in Sagittarius which is also conjunct S.Nodes of Venus and
Jupiter. And, of course, that natal Neptune in Aries in the 9th is then squaring her Nodal Axis, and those S.Nodes Of Pluto and
Saturn. At the same time that Neptune is trining her Saturn, and the S.Nodes of Venus and Jupiter. So the question would then be
what has her Soul done prior the the life as Montessori to set up that life ?
God Bless, Raimilarly to fellow Catholic theologian/scientists Teilhard de Chardin and Thomas Berry (among others), and in a way
not unlike the spiritual science of Rudolf Steiner, Montessori looked carefully and deeply into the world of nature and found, not
isolated material entities interacting mechanically, but a living and purposeful Cosmos. All things are part of the universe, and are
connected with each other to form one whole unity (Montessori, 1973, p.

. She was deeply impressed by he harmony she

discerned in the natural world, the ecology of existence that gives every living thing a meaningful function in the larger system.
Every species, indeed every individual organism, contributes to the good of the whole by performing its inherent cosmic function.
This harmony has not emerged randomly, but expresses a pre-established plan that is of divine origin; she was convinced that
the purpose of life is to obey the occult command which harmonizes all and creates an ever better world (Montessori, 1989b). The
Cosmos is engaged in a process of evolution toward ever greater harmonytoward the fulfillment of Gods mysterious purpose.

The guiding belief of Montessoris educational philosophy, the fundamental point

around which all her principles and techniques revolve, is her conviction that
humanity has its own special function to fulfill in this divine evolution. The human
species is Gods prime agent in creation and it is our responsibility to learn to do
more effectively our share of work in the cosmic plan (Montessori, 1973, pp. 26,
33). Evolution is not yet complete; Gods purpose has not yet been achieved, and
the mission of human life is to give expression to the formative forces within us
that are yearning to complete the cosmic plan. We are called to work in
partnership with the divine. This understanding of our existence places all our
endeavorsour cultural, political, economic, and even our most personal strivings

The guiding belief of Montessoris educational philosophy, the fundamental point

around which all her principles and techniques revolve, is her conviction that
humanity has its own special function to fulfill in this divine evolution. The human
species is Gods prime agent in creation and it is our responsibility to learn to do
more effectively our share of work in the cosmic plan (Montessori, 1973, pp. 26,
33). Evolution is not yet complete; Gods purpose has not yet been achieved, and
the mission of human life is to give expression to the formative forces within us
that are yearning to complete the cosmic plan. We are called to work in
partnership with the divine. This understanding of our existence places all our
endeavorsour cultural, political, economic, and even our most personal strivings
in an entirely spiritual light: The world was not created for us to enjoy,
Montessori proclaims, but we are created in order to evolve the
cosmos (Montessori 1989b, p. 22). In an earlier essay (Miller, 2000), I argued
that this striking statement is consistent with the teachings of great moral sages
such as Martin Luther King, Jr., Abraham Heschel, and Krishnamurti, who all
similarly asserted that we are on this Earth to contribute to the unfolding of divine
justice, harmony and wisdom, not merely to amuse ourselves or satisfy our many
material and sensual desires. In this light, education is not to be seen merely as
preparation for a successful career or any sort of social or intellectual distinction;
rather, education is the process of awakening the divine formative forces within
every persons soul that enable the individual to make his or her own unique
contribution to the cosmic plan, to fulfill his or her own destiny.
Montessori wrote that humanitys role in evolution is to construct a supranaturea social, cultural and technological extension of nature that calls forth
ever greater dimensions of human creativity and understandinga notion very
similar to Teilhard de Chardins noosphere. This is humanitys task because we,
more than any other living species, can receive the emanations of the Godhead
and
transform divine plans into physical and cultural manifestations (Montessori,
1972a, p. 35). But she repeatedly observed that our material and technological
progress had far outpaced our psychological, moral and spiritual development, and
in the twentieth century it was imperative that we make a determined effort
toward remedying this imbalance. Modern societies, due to their pervasive
materialism, have neglected the spiritual forces that animate the human being,
and our institutions, particularly schooling, have become repressive and damaging,
turning people into slaves of the machine rather than cultivating their spiritual
sensitivity, she wrote. Modern people are ill prepared to deal with the great moral
challenges of our age, and are unable to resist the demons of nationalism and war
that threaten to engulf the world.
To address this imbalance, Montessori envisioned a curriculum for elementary
school students that she called cosmic education. The purpose of this approach is
to provide the young person with an expansive, inspiring vision of the grandeur of
the universe and ones personal destiny within it. This is an education that gives
life meaning because all aspects of creation are shown to fit into a complex,
interconnected whole that is far larger than our customary limited worldview. Aline
D. Wolf comments that The value of cosmic education, as I see it, is that it places
the childs life in a spiritual perspective. No one can be confronted with the cosmic
miracle and not see that there is more to life than our everyday experiences. Fast
foods, designer sneakers, video games and sports heroes all pale beside the
wonder of the universe (Wolf, 1996, p. 97).
Cosmic education lifts the young persons consciousness out of the mundane,
materialistic concerns of modern society and instills a sense of awe, touching a
receptive and searching force within the soul. This is exactly the sort of spiritual
reconstruction that Montessori intended when she spoke at several international
peace conferences in the 1930s, and asserted that only the spiritual renewal of
humankind through education, not any superficial economic or political effort,
could alter the violent course of human history: The real danger threatening
humanity is the emptiness in mens souls; all the rest is merely a consequence of
this emptiness (Montessori, 1972a, pp. 44, 53). In recognition of her efforts,
Montessori was nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize in 1949, 1950 and 1951.
To me, this soul seems to be later parts of spiritual state. Perhaps early third
spiritual.
Wow, what an amazing chart example of a fruition condition. Her sn and its ruler
are all conjunct various planetary south nodes, plus all the nn planets conjunct the

peace conferences in the 1930s, and asserted that only the spiritual renewal of
humankind through education, not any superficial economic or political effort,
could alter the violent course of human history: The real danger threatening
humanity is the emptiness in mens souls; all the rest is merely a consequence of
this emptiness (Montessori, 1972a, pp. 44, 53). In recognition of her efforts,
Montessori was nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize in 1949, 1950 and 1951.
To me, this soul seems to be later parts of spiritual state. Perhaps early third
spiritual.
Wow, what an amazing chart example of a fruition condition. Her sn and its ruler
are all conjunct various planetary south nodes, plus all the nn planets conjunct the
lunar north node. This soul has come in with a particular purpose to do this work
and has in fact been very much in preparation for this prior to this life.One of her
purposes was to dissolve the social constructs that create gender differentiation
(Nepune in Aries on the MC, first quarter square to Capricorn sn).
This is one of the signatures in the chart that explain why she came into this life as
a female. Prior to this life, this soul's underlying intention has been to devote itself
to a form of service that would provide a solid foundation and structure for society
that is more aligned with natural law. It's clear that she has been highly involved
in participating in the social outlet and is well accustomed to operating within the
current structures of the status quo to actualize her special purpose. However, the
key in this life has been to pay attention to HOW the current social reality is
structured, and meticulously apply herself to that. All this is implied by Sn in Cap
in the 6th, ruled Saturn in Sag in the 5th which is a full phase inconjunct with
Pluto in the 10th. Her soul knows patience and tenacity, and has lived prior lives at
ceaselessly working towards her cause, and sacrificing what personal desires were
necessary in order to
fulfill her purpose (Pluto in Taurus in the 10th, sn in Cap in the 6th).
The nature of this purpose has been to revolutionize the understanding of social
conditiong and create new forms based on a higher intuition of what human
potential is all about (sn ruler Saturn in Sag in the 5th ruled by and in a full phase
opposition to Jupiter in Gemini in the 11th). She has been participating in
society, interfacing with the current status quo in order to do this, for a long time
now.
The question for her soul has been how. How to make these changes. Again the
full phase inconjunct between Saturn and Pluto. How to introduce these new ideas,
collect the right information such that her special purpose can be accepted into the
social sphere. This is the nature of the evolutionary requirement to create new
structure. However the point of this chart, also given her evolutionary state, has
been to do the work that is necessary in order to bring forth a divine plan into
social reality. The Neptune skipped step implies the unresolved intention to do just
that. In prior lives, she was not able to achieve the necessary social credentials to
succeed to the extent that the soul has been guided to do so.
Another spin on this, is simply that the skipped step implies that prior lives have
been building to this point, and she simply hasn't been able to/ prepared enough.
and in the life of Montessori the soul was ready to embrace constructive action
(square) that will enable her special purpose to unfold for the masses.
As to the connection between natal planets and planetary nodes:
The sn of Pluto and Saturn conj the sn in Capricorn all retrograde, and the ruler of
the sn, Saturn conjunct the south nodes of Venus and Jupiter, also retrograde in
Sag in the 5th. All of Saturn activity is trine natal Neptune in Aries in the 11th, and
except for the sn of Jupiter, is also trine natal Venus in Leo in the
1st.
This all implies that she has been a mentor in the past, and has come in with the
special purpose to teach and educatate the masses. Focusing on Saturn first, its sn
is conjuct the sn of the Moon. Thus this soul's prior life identity was gravitated and
centered around working within and fitting into the current social reality in order to
express her vision. With the NN of saturn conjunct the lunar north node, this also
implies that she comes from a very rich past during the matriarchy of having been
a leader and educator of sorts. The linkage to the 5th house Saturn says
something about her relaitonship to children, raising them, guiding them in the
context of natural law.
The sn of Jupiter is retro in Sag in the 5th conjunct natal Saturn. It is the past of
the current life Jupiter in Gemini in the 11th to which it opposes. This corresponds

This all implies that she has been a mentor in the past, and has come in with the
special purpose to teach and educatate the masses. Focusing on Saturn first, its sn
is conjuct the sn of the Moon. Thus this soul's prior life identity was gravitated and
centered around working within and fitting into the current social reality in order to
express her vision. With the NN of saturn conjunct the lunar north node, this also
implies that she comes from a very rich past during the matriarchy of having been
a leader and educator of sorts. The linkage to the 5th house Saturn says
something about her relaitonship to children, raising them, guiding them in the
context of natural law.
The sn of Jupiter is retro in Sag in the 5th conjunct natal Saturn. It is the past of
the current life Jupiter in Gemini in the 11th to which it opposes. This corresponds
to a soul that has had an expansive vision as it relates to the underlying
comsmological understanding of creation in general- and thus children- and has
been developing this understanding by way of teaching for a long time now. The
challenge has been to share this with the community, to actually apply the
understanding in a way that is concrete and logically sound. The gibbous phase
opposion implies she has been working on just that, culminating to this life such
that she can communicate the intuitive ideas in ways that are both inspiring,
expansive and empiricle to the best that she can. Note that the nn of Jupiter is
exactly conjunct the lunar nn. Such a powerful chart!
The south node of Venus on that saturn, also retrograde, as the past of the current
life Venus in Leo in the 1st implies that she has valued and found personal
meaning in her life through her unique purpose and has been highly self focused
as a result. The combination of Fire and Neptune (trine) imply a passionate
comittment to do god's work. The fact of it being retrograde again points to there
having been an over doing it- relative to Saturn, the question has been, did it
work? Did she succeed in the way that she wanted to? There is such a LARGE and
expansive quality to her soul, has she been tactful enough to execute the spiritual
purpose? It seems that the challenges in the past have been about that. Like some
sort of teacher, mentor who was not seen and entirely succesful, and clearly
persecuted, though still had a great impact.
I'm going to stop here and allow some time for this information to integrate.
I think it'll also be a great practice to create a cosmogram with her sn and then
another with Saturn. Given the strong connections to her sn, this would in fact
indicate where she has been- and pivitol lifetimes prior to montessori that were
pivitol in the life of montessori.... i'll try to make some time for that, though it may
be later in the next week that I can actually focus on this again. I'm super busy,
ironically with astrology that I can't practice astrology too much right now. Thank
you for this amazing learning experience Rad. I look forward to reading your
feedback and Linda's work.
With Love,
Ari Moshe

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Hi Ari,
Excellent, just excellent. It seems to me too that she has had very, very unique
ideas of not only how to educate, but in many different areas as well. And that she
has attracted the wrath of the consensus via violent opposition to those unique
ideas because of those in the consensus feeling threatened by her: the Neptune in
Aries in her 9th, squaring her Nodes, the S.Nodes of Pluto and Saturn as well. And
that Neptune also squares her Mars in Cancer. So those 'skipped steps' could have
a lot to do with her being blocked by those powers that be, her feeling crushed
and defeated because of.
The Pluto opposed Jupiter also suggests this. It's interesting too that she ended
up in India because that, to me, is one of her original homelands. S.Nodes of
Venus, Mercury and Mars are in her 3rd, the Jupiter in Gemini. Thus, through
geodetic equivalents this then connects to India.
God Bless, Rad

you for this amazing learning experience Rad. I look forward to reading your
feedback and Linda's work.
With Love,
Ari Moshe

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Hi Ari,
Excellent, just excellent. It seems to me too that she has had very, very unique
ideas of not only how to educate, but in many different areas as well. And that she
has attracted the wrath of the consensus via violent opposition to those unique
ideas because of those in the consensus feeling threatened by her: the Neptune in
Aries in her 9th, squaring her Nodes, the S.Nodes of Pluto and Saturn as well. And
that Neptune also squares her Mars in Cancer. So those 'skipped steps' could have
a lot to do with her being blocked by those powers that be, her feeling crushed
and defeated because of.
The Pluto opposed Jupiter also suggests this. It's interesting too that she ended
up in India because that, to me, is one of her original homelands. S.Nodes of
Venus, Mercury and Mars are in her 3rd, the Jupiter in Gemini. Thus, through
geodetic equivalents this then connects to India.
God Bless, Rad

he SN of Pluto Cap 6th correlates to an evolutionary past encompassing the Virgo archetype: service, work function, critical
thinking, healing, purification, and self-improvement through self-analysis. In Capricorn, Montessoris service or work function had
been directed towards bringing about improvements in the education system for the benefit of the larger whole of society, as well
as personally for herself in terms of self-authority and self-determination. She had lived in matriarchal times (Saturn/Sag) and
could easily have been a leader or teacher (Saturn 5th/Jupiter 11th/SNs of Jupiter and Uranus 5th) ushering in new, expansive
techniques in teaching. Her Pluto/PPP/Nodes suggest a gender switch.
The tight conjunction of the SNs of Pluto and Saturn with the South Node are all ruled by Saturn Sag 5th and opposed by Jupiter
Gemini 11th meaning that her societal function at the cutting edge of child education incorporated the tenets of Natural Law. This
is reflected in the skipped steps of Neptune/Aries/9th. This conjunction is also dynamically connected to the 10th/4th house
polarity, natal Pluto 10th, PPP 4th, Moon 4th (ruled by Pluto) where she suffered societal judgment and consensus blockage by
forces that were not willing to embrace the new and improved educational system (6th house Cap). This lead her to methodically
apply herself to consistent hard work that would bring about personal improvements in the way she needed to approach society.
With the SNs of Pluto and Saturn conjunct the South Node, the task had been a formidable one in the past, but in that current
lifetime she needed to follow the instinctive promptings of Neptune. This resolution would bring achievement through the NNs of
the planets in the 12th house in Cancer through the energies of culmination and transcendence of her own self-image, and the
necessity of her work from a spiritual perspective that would enable society to treat children differently.
The prior life dynamics of the SN of Pluto condition the natal placement of Pluto Taurus 10th by way of a 1st quarter trine (fruition)
by integrating and establishing the 10th house purpose in a highly individualistic and non-stressful way. Natal Pluto correlates to
the need for the Soul to evolve, and serves to integrate the evolutionary forces of the past as they interface with the future. Pluto
Taurus 10th indicates that the prominent social role or work function was in need of expansion by way of the PPP, coming out of
the well, merging with powerful symbols, learning emotional security, and taking powerful new methods of child education into the
world.
Her 10th house Soul desire and purpose was supported by the SN Cap 6th, and the SNs of Pluto and Saturn: natural self-reliance,
personal power, leadership, a critical eye for detail, self-determination, humility, a good understanding of systems and structure.
This was consciously facilitated by Venus Leo 1st, a charismatic, pioneering spirit, breaking new ground in the child educational
field. Venus (the facilitator) conjuncts the NNs of Neptune, Mercury and Venus, the interplay between the past and present serving
to create the conscious egocentric structure that would bring about an utterly new system serving a higher spiritual purpose.
The skipped steps of Neptune Aries 9th were meant to be recovered through the South Node Cap 6th where perhaps some final
details in synthesizing the skills and techniques were made, and how she would take them out into the world. This also clarified
that her purpose was a spiritual one that would expand to reach the whole world.
The natal Pluto Taurus 10th had evolved through the NN of Pluto Cancer 12th by embracing a spiritual dimension. The combination
of all of these evolutionary forces reflected a Soul on a specific mission as implied by the Moon Scorpio 4th (a new self-image) and

all the Cancer planets and Nodes in the 12th house allowing a surrender to a higher power, to transcend what had come before,
and to create a new way of caring for children. In this respect she was an instrument of Gods will. Since her methods have spread
across the world, this places her somewhere in the 3rd stage spiritual evolutionary condition.
Here are a few of her cosmograms and some unedited thoughts: the Saturn/Sag cosmogram contains symbols of breaking new
ground, metamorphosis and revolutionary change. The Jupiter/Gemini cosmogram pertaining to the Moon and Venus show a need
to bring balance to an extreme situation (Jupiter/Gemini being paradoxical) so that Natural Law could be incorporated into child
care, that is, ways to make learning possible in a natural way. The theme of bringing balance, attention and care to childrens
needs are repeated in the Venus and Moon cosmograms.
Thanks Rad and Ari - I hope some of this is accurate.