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How to detail a walking column as shown?

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Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 7:03 am
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Post subject: How to detail a walking column as

Dear All,
Please go through the attachments with this post.
The problem here is to detail a three storied walking column transfer structure. It connects two
column offset-ted from each other horizontally.

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Posts: 358
Location: New Delhi

I have shown two proposed reinforcement arrangements. the first one is shown in GREEN ink
wherein the bars will be bent. The second option is shown in the BLACK ink wherein the bars will
remain straight throughout the transfer structure. My question is, that in this scenario which
detailing is better and why?
Also please have a look at the vertical stress contours uploaded, which I obtained from ETABS.
The stresses shown in GREEN are of interest here. these contours are due to the 12000kN point
load only.
Please bear with my hand drawing. This sketch might look very very confusing due to too many
colours and too many lines, but I did that just to get the information through to you guys
properly.
Eagerly awaiting your reply.

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Kumar Abhishek Singh
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Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2012 5:09 am

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I have no experience of doing something like this, but I thought it might help to get an insight
into how the directions of the principal (tensile) stresses are so it has been put it in STAAD.Pro,
so that it can be later meshed and taken to ANSYS. But what are the loads coming from the slabs
shown in blue (see fig.)? And what are the length, thickness & effective width of the slabs that
constrain it from the sides?
Rahul Leslie

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Kumar_Abhishek_Singh
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Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2012 5:46 am

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Hi Rahul,
The slab thickness as shown in the diagram is 250mm and effective length and width of the slab
that is constraining it from the sides can be taken as width=4m and length = 8 m
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Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 11:06 am

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Dear Abhishek, shown below is the principal stress vector diagram, and hope it helps in arriving at
a conclusion. To me, it seems that the one shown in the BLACK ink wherein the bars will remain
straight throughout the transfer structure is the better option. And my fellow SEFIans, please
contribute with your comments.

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And, if you like to have the model files or other screen shots, please drop a mail to
rahul.leslie@gmail.com
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Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 5:53 am

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I would prefer placing reinforcement in orthogonal directions. it will take care of out of plan
bendind(accidental) and stress concentration at corners.

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theoretically it is good to put reinf. in principal stress direction,There may be slight change in
principal stresses path during cracking.

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Though interesting to work on this, cant such configuration be avoided ?!! Cant say no to
architect.??
btg

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rahul.leslie
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Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2012 3:59 am

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I would prefer placing reinforcement in orthogonal directions. it will take care of out of plan
bendind(accidental) and stress concentration at corners.
theoretically it is good to put reinf. in principal stress direction,There may be slight change in
principal stresses path during cracking.

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No, no... I didn't recommend to "put reinf. in principal stress direction" but it is that since the
principal stresses are more closer to the vertical direction than the diagonal direction,...
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to me it seems that the one shown in the BLACK ink wherein the bars will remain straight
throughout the transfer structure

... is the better option -- ie., along the vertical and horizontal (orthogonal) directions. Please don't
get me wrong.
And Kumar Abhishek, no opinion was heard from you!
Rahul Leslie
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Kumar_Abhishek_Singh
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Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2012 6:08 am

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Hi Rahul,
Apologies for the delayed response. I took your view and the vector diagram that you uploaded
and put it in front of the UK engineers. I was waiting for their feedback on it. I had prepared the
drawing(s) as per what you had recommended and yesterday I got a go ahead from them.
I thank you again for sorting this out for me. It was a good piece of learning for me.

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Cheers!
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Kumar Abhishek Singh
(M.Tech., IIT Delhi)

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shirishmehta3
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Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 3:19 pm

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Dear Er. Abhishek

The whole assembly seems to me like a Transfer Corbel. Isnt it possible to detail the whole setup
as a Corbel??
The load coming from the top column shall be distributed as T and C (the way corbels are
analysed using strut and tie approach) and reinforcement details shall follow typical corbel details.
However care should be taken to consider the heavy rotations setup in the slabs.
Regards
Shirish

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