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RE: Airbus To Build A330 Regionals In China
I had the experience, but talking to my ex-company (whose R&D Centre in China I
helped to set up), the attrition rate has dropped a lot and is now on par with o
ther countries. One reason is that
Posted by AngMoh on Saturday August 16, 2014 at 07:57
I am aware of that. I was just being inclusive as to all the changes the a330 -3
00 Regional will incorporate because that was the question that was asked.[Edite
d 2014-08-16 07:30:33]
Posted by Stitch on Saturday August 16, 2014 at 07:30
That's completely ridiculous and stupid comment to make about China. It is not i
n the interest of our government to have counterfeit goods to be sold in our mar
ket and there has been many crackdowns
Posted by phoenixVIP on Saturday August 16, 2014 at 06:44
Well, first of all, they won't be assembling them, just putting the furniture in
. Second, for assembling them you won't be needing a single blue print, just ass
embly instructions (which were and are
Posted by PW100 on Saturday August 16, 2014 at 04:08
WVs have nothing to do with cockpit fitments or cabin outfits. That is a custome
r request.
Posted by Pellegrine on Saturday August 16, 2014 at 00:14
Have you actually read the thread? China will not be assembling a330 s - 'green'
a330 s will be flown from TLS to China for completion. China will install seats
, galleys & lavs, then paint the plan
Posted by scbriml on Friday August 15, 2014 at 23:03
Well everything else is made in China, so why not the aircraft we fly in! And le
ts face it, China's counterfeiting laws are almost non existent and the ones the
y do have are not enforced by their own
Posted by a36001 on Friday August 15, 2014 at 21:32
I think in China it is a problem for many companies that their staff, as soon as
they are well trained, go of to the next company where they get more cash. As l
ong as qualified people are badly needed
Posted by kmz on Friday August 15, 2014 at 11:51
Which is mainly related to certification issues, not assembly problems. Comac ha
s little to no experience with certifying an aircraft according to Western stand
ards and you won't learn that in TJN.[E
Posted by KarelXWB on Thursday August 14, 2014 at 08:27
RE: Cathay Pacific Reduces A330 Premium Economy
You are correct and wrong at the same time True, people will not pay excessive f
ares, but they will pay a fair price. Most suppliers of Y+ do not price their Y+
fairly because they fear it will cause
Posted by fiscal on Monday August 11, 2014 at 17:02
i agree on most people saying that the current new Y class is one of the best ou
t there and i have flew it many times on 14+ hrs of flight, but on those long fl
ights PEY is really worth to pay for, i
Posted by shengzhurou on Sunday August 10, 2014 at 22:08
However, when you click through, you get the message that "Y+ is not available o
n this segment and you have been offered an appropriate alternative" which is a
Y fare -- I have received this notifica
Posted by BreninTW on Sunday August 10, 2014 at 20:38
Just want to clarify - CX offers Premium economy fares on Hong Kong to Taipei ma
rket. I have bought a couple since its regional launch! But regional Premium Eco
nomy CX basically gives you priority che
Posted by Carfield on Sunday August 10, 2014 at 20:05
Interestingly enough, I have flown Y+ a few times this year with CX, and also be
en in J a few times -- all on the same routes. HKG-TPE there is no "Y+" at all - sure the cabin is there, but it's not
Cathay Pacific Reduces A330 Premium Economy
Is NRT classed as regional long haul for QF? It would be interesting to see how
QF's Y+ performs at NRT. I think I have seen, from other posts on this site that
NRT is quite a high yield operation.
Posted by AirNiugini on Saturday August 9, 2014 at 18:01
The original article mentioned that India passengers aren't willing to pay for Y
plus as the flights are rather short. It also said that traffic to the gulf was
polarised around either low yield feede
Posted by BestWestern on Saturday August 9, 2014 at 16:04
Y+ clearly is the territory for long-haul markets. The incentive for people to p
ay extra for Y+ is much less so in shorter flights as people would think they ca
n 'endure' the discomfort for a couple o
Posted by flythere on Saturday August 9, 2014 at 13:11
So sad to tell you that on inter-Asia flights, Your meal is completely identical
to Y's meal and you won't get any amenity kit onboard such flights.
Posted by davidho1985 on Saturday August 9, 2014 at 08:11
In my experience European carriers usually ask for 30-80% more for Y+ compared t
o Y, while Asian carriers are closer to 60-110% more. Therefore the price is rar
ely the same and it seems like the Euro
Posted by seahawk on Saturday August 9, 2014 at 06:09
I agree, the pricing for Y+ is not that great for what you actually receive in d
ifference, and it's hard to get comfortable in the seats to sleep. On the Austra
lia route, I would typically be upgraded

Posted by hz747300 on Friday August 8, 2014 at 16:17
So true. CX's Y has to be one of the best out there. While their Y+ looks comfy,
not sure I'd pay an extra $1000 for it. I do wonder how it's selling on HKG-US/
Canada routes? Seems to be reasonably p
Posted by 9w748capt on Friday August 8, 2014 at 15:22
I think for airlines like CX and SQ, that have pretty good Y product, it doesn't
make a big difference if you are traveling Y or premium Y. It is not a huge upg
rade, but you are paying quite a bit mor
Posted by flyenthu on Friday August 8, 2014 at 15:12
It sells well with revenue passengers on long-haul routes to Europe and the USA,
but on regional flights it is a non-seller. In the past QF could fill Y+ to SIN
(and HKG) with LHR passengers, and any
Posted by RyanairGuru on Friday August 8, 2014 at 14:56
You have confidence this is the right product for the market(s) even though, if
I'm following this correctly, SQ hasn't yet sold any premium economy seats at an
y price?
Posted by MIflyer12 on Friday August 8, 2014 at 11:10
On LH though, premium economy gives you 2 x 23kg baggage allowance and lounge ac
cess, which CX does not offer. These offered by LH sounds like it is worth the p
remium you pay. I look forward to flying
Posted by musapapaya on Friday August 8, 2014 at 10:40
Plus a Business Class meal which is always worth it, and 25kg baggage allowance
instead of 20kg. Not to mention the amenity kit. Plus if you get a front row sea
t there is tons and tons of legroom!
Posted by ClassicLover on Friday August 8, 2014 at 10:05
Because their Y+ product is really poor for intra-Asia routes. Basically same pr
oduct as Y apart from larger legroom and priority boarding. That's all.
Posted by davidho1985 on Friday August 8, 2014 at 10:01
Definitely happening quite quickly. I have a flight on 5 January SYD-HKG on Cath
ay and the seat map has already changed from 4 rows of Premium Economy to 3. Doe
sn't bother me, it should be even more
Posted by ClassicLover on Friday August 8, 2014 at 09:45
It seems that some airlines will fill their Y+ cabins with upgrades or special p
rices. Much depends on the routing and how busy the flight will be. As far as BA
is concerned, it tempts passengers to
Posted by LondonCity on Friday August 8, 2014 at 05:24
Too close to J in price. The European Airlines have a better concept imho.
Posted by seahawk on Friday August 8, 2014 at 04:51
CX will also remove Y+ all together from a330 s that are used to the Middle East
and India. These aircraft will revert to 2-class layout. I believe SQ will not
fit Y+ to regional aircraft, so the a330
Posted by qfvhoqa on Friday August 8, 2014 at 04:40
Pricing on QF Y+ has never been attractive and so take up was low, however, I wa
s taken to understand that Y+ was being used as an upgrade incentive anyway, and
so low revenue sales was not really a
Posted by fiscal on Friday August 8, 2014 at 03:49
Hong Kong-Australia Y+ sales have been disappointing for CX, but remember that Q
F have also said that Y+ is a poor performer on Australia-Asia (they offered it
on 747 and A380 services to SIN and HKG)
Posted by RyanairGuru on Friday August 8, 2014 at 03:16
Seven seats will be removed, they are just optimizing the Hong Kong - Australia
routes. Premium Economy is fairly new, give them some time to figure out the bes
t amount of seats for each route. http:/
Posted by KarelXWB on Friday August 8, 2014 at 02:46
Interesting development in the Asia-Pacific region. Premium economy is a relativ
ely new development at Cathay Pacific, yet the airline has now decided to cut ba
ck on the number of seats it offers. So
Posted by LondonCity on Friday August 8, 2014 at 02:29
RE: Emirates A330 -200
I think they keep the newer planes for profitable routes and the older ones for
the subcontinent routes with low first and business class loads. Like, DXB-CCU d
oes not have J class demand, but Y is s
Posted by flyenthu on Wednesday August 6, 2014 at 09:59
Indeed, those are basically the same, original looping video screens installed i
n the 90's. Jumping from that to the latest ICE Digital Widescreen is quite the
leap. EK is excellent at keeping it's s
Posted by DexSwart on Wednesday August 6, 2014 at 06:36
A quick look at planespotters shows that their A332s range from 11 to 15 years o
ld (the ones that are active with EK right now). VH-XFA and XFB are leased from
Deucalion Aviation Funds and were used f
Posted by Ab345 on Wednesday August 6, 2014 at 06:33
I have flown on the old A332s a number of times on the DXB-CCU-DXB route and onc
e on DXB-DEL. The interiors look old as well with much smaller IFE screens. I th
ink they fly these planes on short and m
Posted by flyenthu on Wednesday August 6, 2014 at 06:14
RE: Skymark Airlines: Free WiFi On A330 Service
As a one-time customer who will be out of the country in a week's time, sure. Fo
r those of us who have more to gain from earning miles and points on ANA, it is
useless. Especially when, as an ANA inv
Posted by Aaron747 on Wednesday August 6, 2014 at 04:44
Karel said the loads were better than expected, but I was talking about other do
mestic ops. BC just announced today they're probably going to be cutting all fli
ghts from NRT. http://www.google.co.jp/
Posted by PHX787 on Wednesday August 6, 2014 at 04:35
Figured it was something like that, thanks.
Posted by 817Dreamliiner on Wednesday August 6, 2014 at 03:51
J a330 C is a helicopter. http://ao.gmobb.jp/rjoy-photostudio/personal-j a330 c.
jpg
Posted by KarelXWB on Wednesday August 6, 2014 at 03:49
Im actually kinda curious as to why they skipped J a330 C. Anyone know why?
Posted by 817Dreamliiner on Wednesday August 6, 2014 at 03:44
More information about the free WiFi service can be found on the following url:
http://www.skymark.co.jp/ja/information/free_wifi.html In the meantime the 4th a
330 (J a330 E) is being prepared for deliv
Posted by KarelXWB on Wednesday August 6, 2014 at 00:26
Those two aircraft are leased form Deucalion Aviation Funds

Posted by zeke on Tuesday August 5, 2014 at 04:51
A lot of responses state that the remaining 21 aircraft in the fleet constantly
fly into India (among other destinations). I'd be surprised to check out which c
ities these are. I'm fairly confident th
Posted by Spiderguy252 on Tuesday August 5, 2014 at 04:36
There are certainly a few chinese nationals who've left Airbus (in europe) to jo
in AVIC.
Posted by PhilBy on Monday August 4, 2014 at 23:38
I really don't see how installing seats, lavs & galleys, then painting the plane
helps China reverse-engineer an a330 . a330 s have been in service in China for
years - there was nothing to stop th
Posted by scbriml on Monday August 4, 2014 at 12:22
Yes I was referring to reverse engineering it.
Posted by malaysia on Monday August 4, 2014 at 12:07
You assume too rapid a transition to the NEO as the engines will be the long lea
d time item, Airbus will not have the time to build NEOs (and their engines) at
risk for that transition. They need mor
Posted by lightsaber on Monday August 4, 2014 at 11:19
You seem to be confused. The assembly of the a330 is closer to that of the MD-80
than it is the A350. So, besides the fact they're not actually getting an a330
FAL and that even if they did, the a330
Posted by scbriml on Monday August 4, 2014 at 10:51
1. It's not happening anyway, it's an a330 completion center, so we can chill. 2
. I think you're underestimating the state of completion the various sections ar
rive at the FAL in. They don't start in
Posted by baconbutty on Monday August 4, 2014 at 09:51
Yes, except the consequences won't be the same: Boeing knows how to deal with co
mposites and advanced systems, they don't need crucially Airbus techs for for la
unching themselves on the global market
Posted by VARIG MD-11 on Monday August 4, 2014 at 09:42
I am sure workers from Mobile will go to Charleston or Seattle. It is a fact of
life. Design engineers are mobile and already move around competing aircraft com
panies. This is nothing new.
Posted by StTim on Monday August 4, 2014 at 09:03
I see you're very smart. First you're comparing apples and pears: the ARJ21 is o
ld tech, the Chinese used assembly methods from the MD-80 which they were licens
ed to make for a while. So they know ho
About 1 in every 5 employees in Tianjin are expats. The local employees that are
there are bonded to the company, and earn a very good income with "European" wo
rking conditions. People don't leave th
Posted by zeke on Monday August 4, 2014 at 04:09
It's safe to add this theory to the list of people who claim to be abducted by a
liens. China knows perfectly how to assembly an aircraft. The first ARJ21 was as
sembled long before the A320 plant in T
Posted by KarelXWB on Monday August 4, 2014 at 02:54
EK's entry into the Australian market predates the A332 (EK only began to acquir
e them in 1999). Here is EK's Summer 2000 Network (source: http://airlineroute.n
et/2011/06/17/ek-s00/: They were used o
Posted by directorguy on Monday August 4, 2014 at 02:02
Well I hope EU gvts still get their royalties! Our concern in EU is that there w
ere "leaks" in Tianjin A320 FAL in the past: workers left the plant and never ca
me back once they had learnt how to ass
A delivery center is already present in TJN, they only need a fitting center wit
h couple of hangars. European tax payers have more things to worry about than a
few Airbus planes. [Edited 2014-08-04 0
Posted by KarelXWB on Monday August 4, 2014 at 00:43
Should be 2% for the green aircraft inbound. The requirement for manufacturing i
n China is not a request, it is a Central Government requirement. Boeing have al
so a local "joint venture" it had to es
Posted by zeke on Sunday August 3, 2014 at 23:55
I would go farther than you: if Airbus finds the good "arrangement" with China,
the unpainted and without-cabin planes will be imported from TLS and described a
s " unfinished and/or partly assembled
Posted by VARIG MD-11 on Sunday August 3, 2014 at 23:30
I don't think EK own either of the aircraft. I believe they were leased to EK as
well, and when EKs lease was expired, they went to VA (leased again, but not su
re if it is the same company that lease
Posted by CXfirst on Sunday August 3, 2014 at 23:29
I think MEL was launched with the A310, was it not? I know MAN was launched with
an A310 at sub-daily frequency, but from when I first remember in the late 1990
s EK were flying one daily a330 to MAN
Posted by RyanairGuru on Sunday August 3, 2014 at 21:16
VA are handing both planes back to EK by the end of November at the conclusion o
f their lease terms. I assume EK will resell them immediately and they will get
a thorough refurb by their new owner (p
Posted by tullamarine on Sunday August 3, 2014 at 21:06
May be too long ago to even find out, but does anybody know what route the a330
-200 flew on its inaugural flight with EK?
Posted by DeltaBravo1123 on Sunday August 3, 2014 at 20:46
From a passenger and crew standpoint, their cabins are outdated, and IFE is terr
ible compared to the new aircraft. VA could solve this, but they've decided rath
er to retire the aircraft. The bigger p
The simple answer to that is the Indian population in DUR is huge (I believe it'
s the largest Indian population out of India). A one-stop route to many of the s
econdary India cities must be extremely
SeatGuru shows EK A332s with 32 inch pitch in Y, the same as their 3-class 77Ws.
And 2-4-2 on an a330 is much better than 3-4-3 on a 777. However, EK's 7-abreas
t J class product on the A332s has alwa
Posted by Viscount724 on Sunday August 3, 2014 at 18:09
EK utilise the A332 to open up new routes, increase frequency on existing and re
gional routes. An example would be EK's entry to the Australasia network, the ro
ute first commenced utilising the now ti
Posted by EK413 on Sunday August 3, 2014 at 17:16
I have some exposure to Chinese tax law for capital projects and the picture isn
't so clear. Import duties will be paid on the content imported from Airbus SAS
to Airbus Tianjin. I expect this tax wi
Posted by DfwRevolution on Sunday August 3, 2014 at 15:59
Will the said 330s come with a 'Made in China' tag?
Posted by 777Jet on Sunday August 3, 2014 at 15:28
They had the actual licence to make the RR Spey engine from the mid 70s and it t
ook them till the beginning of the 21st century to put it into full production.
Things have definitely improved since th
Posted by trex8 on Sunday August 3, 2014 at 15:15
I suppose the logical answer is, they only have to copy one... ...but I don't th
ink that's what he meant.
Posted by PM on Sunday August 3, 2014 at 14:42
Huh?
Posted by scbriml on Sunday August 3, 2014 at 13:22
Well my next question would be, how many will Beijing copy?
Posted by malaysia on Sunday August 3, 2014 at 11:13
The DXB-BHX route was started by a A332. Which was then upgraded to 77E and now
the double daily 77W.
Posted by AF1565 on Sunday August 3, 2014 at 07:37
What specific problems do these planes have?[Edited 2014-08-03 06:38:33]
Posted by GianiDC on Sunday August 3, 2014 at 06:37
VA were in a bit of a vulnerable place. A restructuring (and rebranding) to a pr
emium airline wanting to compete with QF. Widebodies were the answer to that, an
d the EK a330 's were available much qui
It very well could be. Which would please us both for sure.
Posted by EPA001 on Sunday August 3, 2014 at 05:51
All a330 s in China (ariound 150 to date) bar a couple of dozen for China Southe
rn have RR engines. Is this then also going to be a huge windfall for Rolls?
Posted by PM on Sunday August 3, 2014 at 05:48
The question is if that legally and tax-wise counts as an imported airplane. Tha
t can make all the difference in the world. Zeke made an excellent point there.
Both KIX and NGO were launched by A345.
Posted by EK773 on Sunday August 3, 2014 at 05:25
The a330 s will still have to be 'imported' from France as green frames, does th
at not count?[Edited 2014-08-03 05:24:37]
Posted by fcogafa on Sunday August 3, 2014 at 05:23
RE: Iberia To Get A330 -200s And A350-900s
Trex8 & KarelXWB: thanks for your answers.
I think that would only happen were the USAF to order its next tranche of tanker
s from Airbus
Posted by JerseyFlyer on Sunday August 3, 2014 at 04:33
Losing the a330 the tanker competition was the final nail IMO.
Posted by KarelXWB on Sunday August 3, 2014 at 04:29
It's actually pretty simple mathematics. Skymark has significantly lower CASM th
an either JAL or ANA. This is very well visible when looking at how they are pro
fitable on their domestic Haneda networ
Posted by AviationAware on Sunday August 3, 2014 at 04:16
RE: Iberia To Get A330 -200s And A350-900s
They didn't say. It is.
As reported in the Skymark A380 thread, the a330 offers 50% more seats than the
B737 but does not require 50% additional operating costs. Domestic a330 s are re
latively cheap to operate.
It's good to hear, however, still fewer seats at the moment, even with the A345
than to DUR. EK use their aircraft similarly to LH. Until they have barely any l
ife left then pawn them off for cheap.
Posted by DexSwart on Sunday August 3, 2014 at 03:58
As PHX787 said, rationality and reason are lacking at this point. How can a a330
be profitable with so few seats and low fares? It's wonderful they have low far
es, but if they were banking on having
Posted by DexSwart on Sunday August 3, 2014 at 03:53
Well they have to. I for one would not book a flight that is more than two weeks
out on a carrier that has put its own future in question publicly.
Posted by AviationAware on Sunday August 3, 2014 at 03:38
As per the original link, it seems like an outfitting & painting center. Which i
s no small thing, but not a full FAL. I don't see the business sense of a comple
te FAL, even with a large a/c order
Posted by r2rho on Sunday August 3, 2014 at 03:22
It's not the reverse engineering that the Chinese want. They want to learn how t
o put them together and manage the project and be able to build high quality pro
duct at a good price. What then? Ruscoe
Posted by Ruscoe on Sunday August 3, 2014 at 02:13
They're hated by just about everyone. Crew, passengers, engineers, ground crew a
nd dispatch! Everyone has some problem with them. There is a reason VA have now
said that they will get rid off them. Posted by CXfirst on Sunday August 3, 2014 at 01:50
I believe HND to FUK will become all a330 operations beginning in September. The
re will be a morning a330 rotation to Sapporo from HND beginning September too.
Skymark Airlines is actually one of the
Posted by Carfield on Sunday August 3, 2014 at 01:01
Yes. Local to me both GLA and NCL started as A332 destinations and were then upg
uaged to 773ER. Of course GLA has now gone to double daily on the 777 and even s
aw a A380 on the tenth anniversary comm
Posted by sandyb123 on Sunday August 3, 2014 at 01:01
EK386 started off as scheduled A332 operation. Is currently A343 till AUG31, mov
es to B77W from SEP2 (with 77L operating on SEP1).

Posted by AirIndia on Sunday August 3, 2014 at 00:09
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