Professional Documents
Culture Documents
http://www.dharmawheel.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=4464&st...
Search
Advanced search
Board index Bodhisattvacarya Tibetan Buddhism Sakya
Change font size
Print view
FAQ
Register
Login
Search
68 posts Page 3 of 4 1, 2, 3, 4
1 of 20
19/02/2015 21:16
http://www.dharmawheel.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=4464&st...
http://www.sakyapa.net
How can you not practice the highest Dharma
at this time of obtaining a perfect human body?
-- Jetsun Dragpa Gyaltsen
Malcolm
Posts: 12981
Joined: Thu Nov 11, 2010 2:19 am
Top
2 of 20
19/02/2015 21:16
http://www.dharmawheel.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=4464&st...
conebeckham
Posts: 2847
Joined: Mon Jun 14, 2010 11:49 pm
Location: Bay Area, CA, USA
Top
conebeckham
Posts: 2847
Joined: Mon Jun 14, 2010 11:49 pm
Location: Bay Area, CA, USA
Top
3 of 20
19/02/2015 21:16
http://www.dharmawheel.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=4464&st...
Yes, but that does not mean he wrote down completion stage instructions. AFAIK, he just
composed a sadhana.
http://www.atikosha.org
http://www.bhaisajya.net
http://www.bhaisajya.guru
http://www.sakyapa.net
How can you not practice the highest Dharma
at this time of obtaining a perfect human body?
-- Jetsun Dragpa Gyaltsen
Malcolm
Posts: 12981
Joined: Thu Nov 11, 2010 2:19 am
Top
4 of 20
19/02/2015 21:16
http://www.dharmawheel.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=4464&st...
Completion stage, mainly....I don't know about the Sakya practice, though I think it's based on
Luipa's?
Kamtsang Kagyu practice is based on Luipa and Krishnacharya, though it's a unique transmission
stemming from Marpa and subsequent masters.
May any merit generated by on-line discussion
Be dedicated to the Ultimate Benefit of All Sentient Beings.
conebeckham
Posts: 2847
Joined: Mon Jun 14, 2010 11:49 pm
Location: Bay Area, CA, USA
Top
The Sakya school has three separate transmissions of Cakrasamvara, and three separate traditions
of Vajrayogini.
All of the Cakrasamvara transmissions come through Naropa. They are Luyipa, Ghantapada and
Krishnacarya. Of these, the Luyipa and Krishnacarya traditions are more widely practiced. And of
these two, the Krishnacarya tradition is the most popular. It also has the largest number of
commentaries.
5 of 20
19/02/2015 21:16
http://www.dharmawheel.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=4464&st...
The Ghantapada tradition is more emphasized in the Gelug school, this tradition nevertheless
comes from Sakya.
As far as the completion stage practice of Luyipa goes, Luyipa did not write a completion stage
text. There are only five or six texts attributed to him in the Tengyur. This does not mean he did
not have completion stage instructions -- it just means he did write them down. Luyipa's disciple
was Darikpa, and Darikpa's disciple was Ghantapada.
You are correct, Tsongkhapa did write a commentary on completion stage of this system.
http://www.atikosha.org
http://www.bhaisajya.net
http://www.bhaisajya.guru
http://www.sakyapa.net
How can you not practice the highest Dharma
at this time of obtaining a perfect human body?
-- Jetsun Dragpa Gyaltsen
Malcolm
Posts: 12981
Joined: Thu Nov 11, 2010 2:19 am
Top
6 of 20
19/02/2015 21:16
http://www.dharmawheel.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=4464&st...
Oh, the sadanga yoga in Guhyasamaja, five vyus in Ayurveda etc., all of these things are found in
the pre-buddhist Upanishads.
N
http://www.atikosha.org
http://www.bhaisajya.net
http://www.bhaisajya.guru
http://www.sakyapa.net
How can you not practice the highest Dharma
at this time of obtaining a perfect human body?
-- Jetsun Dragpa Gyaltsen
7 of 20
19/02/2015 21:16
http://www.dharmawheel.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=4464&st...
Malcolm
Posts: 12981
Joined: Thu Nov 11, 2010 2:19 am
Top
What about Guhyagarbhatantra? No tummo there? I mean in particular in dpal gsang ba'i snying
po de kho na nyid rnam par nges pa'i rgyud chen po
also I would expect he ru ka gal po che'i rgyud to have some of this stuff, since it said to be just
like mother tantras of sarma in many respects.
Also Vairochana's thrulkhor has a practice with chakras and channels, unfortunately at present we
have only two of the three texts regarding this topic from Vairo Nyengyu. The third one was
supposed to deal with the tummo itself. The first one deals with yantras and tsa lungs (which have
practices with channels and chakras), second is dealing with removing obstacles and gaining
benefits.
Do Sakya Vajrakilaya and Vishuddha have dzogrim with characteristics? In Dudjom Tersar there is
a tummo associated with Kilaya, so it would be interesting to know whether the same goes for
kama lineage.
dzoki
Posts: 250
Joined: Sun Oct 31, 2010 5:04 pm
Top
8 of 20
19/02/2015 21:16
http://www.dharmawheel.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=4464&st...
Nope.
also I would expect he ru ka gal po che'i rgyud to have some of this stuff, since it
said to be just like mother tantras of sarma in many respects.
Also Vairochana's thrulkhor has a practice with chakras and channels, unfortunately at
present we have only two of the three texts regarding this topic from Vairo Nyengyu.
The third one was supposed to deal with the tummo itself. The first one deals with
yantras and tsa lungs (which have practices with channels and chakras), second is
dealing with removing obstacles and gaining benefits.
[/quote]
Do Sakya Vajrakilaya and Vishuddha have dzogrim with characteristics? [/quote]
9 of 20
19/02/2015 21:16
http://www.dharmawheel.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=4464&st...
Malcolm
Posts: 12981
Joined: Thu Nov 11, 2010 2:19 am
Top
10 of 20
19/02/2015 21:16
http://www.dharmawheel.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=4464&st...
Oh, the sadanga yoga in Guhyasamaja, five vyus in Ayurveda etc., all of these things
are found in the pre-buddhist Upanishads.
N
I thought you were going to hit me with some common origin of both the Buddhist and Hindu
chakra systems!
There is an ever-present freedom from grasping the mind.
Mind being defined as the thing always on the Three Times.
Enochian
Posts: 364
Joined: Wed Apr 13, 2011 8:19 pm
Top
11 of 20
19/02/2015 21:16
http://www.dharmawheel.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=4464&st...
Enochian wrote:
Namdrol wrote:
Enochian wrote:
Why do you say this?
Do you have something more than Alexis Sanderson's work?
Oh, the sadanga yoga in Guhyasamaja, five vyus in Ayurveda etc., all of
these things are found in the pre-buddhist Upanishads.
N
I thought you were going to hit me with some common origin of both the Buddhist
and Hindu chakra systems!
adinatha
Posts: 886
Joined: Sun Apr 24, 2011 4:07 am
Top
12 of 20
19/02/2015 21:16
http://www.dharmawheel.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=4464&st...
dzoki wrote:
Namdrol wrote:That is an interesting question. We actually
have complaints by Nyingma authors from the tenth century
expressing concern about new-fangeled, new-age clap trap
yoga practices using cakras, and so on, borrowed from
Hindus and being imported from India. It suggests that
tummo was adapted from the mother tantras when they came
to Tibet.
Nope.
13 of 20
19/02/2015 21:16
http://www.dharmawheel.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=4464&st...
It is hard to date these texts too. So we really cannot say anything conclusive with regard to gtum
mo based on these texts. Further, we know that karmamudra practices predate gtum mo. So,
pranyama combined with karmamudra practices are present from a very early period. The point
is, however, we don't know when gtummo practices entered Tibet.
14 of 20
19/02/2015 21:16
http://www.dharmawheel.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=4464&st...
Quite early, if we accept most of the Kilaya tantras, etc as authentic. If not, then quite late.
Davidson, I believe as reference to this fact.
N
http://www.atikosha.org
http://www.bhaisajya.net
http://www.bhaisajya.guru
http://www.sakyapa.net
How can you not practice the highest Dharma
at this time of obtaining a perfect human body?
-- Jetsun Dragpa Gyaltsen
Malcolm
Posts: 12981
Joined: Thu Nov 11, 2010 2:19 am
Top
15 of 20
19/02/2015 21:16
http://www.dharmawheel.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=4464&st...
Luihipa was a scribe in the court of Dharmapla until he met Savaripa. We do not know when
Luhipa was active during this 35 year period, but since his retreat was 9-12 years, and since legend
holds that Dharmapla became a disciple of Luhipa, we assume a later date for Luhipa and put his
encounter with Dharmapla around 810. Supposedly Dharmapla left his kingdom and took a job
as a pounder of rice in what is now known as Orrisa becoming known as the siddha Demgipa.
From Demgipa on, a significant feature of Cakrasamvara practice is the requirement that high cast
practitioners take low caste occupations under low cast woman.
In any event, we have a fairly firm range to date the Cakrasamvara tantra from -- given this we can
presume that the Cakrasamvara must date to the early 8th century CE. Since it mentions the
Guhyasamaja and a number of other tantras, we can date those, as well as Saraha I, the first
Siddha, to the late 7th century CE.
Also Situ Panchen asserts that Lohipa revealed the Yoginisamcarya tantra, which details the
process of the sadhana practice.
This has a happy consequence for the Mahamudra text in the Vima Nyinthig which mentions
Saraha by name.
http://www.atikosha.org
http://www.bhaisajya.net
http://www.bhaisajya.guru
http://www.sakyapa.net
How can you not practice the highest Dharma
at this time of obtaining a perfect human body?
-- Jetsun Dragpa Gyaltsen
Malcolm
Posts: 12981
Joined: Thu Nov 11, 2010 2:19 am
Top
16 of 20
19/02/2015 21:16
http://www.dharmawheel.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=4464&st...
Namdrol wrote: present at Shri Parvata (Sri Sailam in modern India) in Andhra
Pradesha as a sambhogakya.
Indeed, right now and for as long as the sun and moon exist.
N
http://www.atikosha.org
http://www.bhaisajya.net
http://www.bhaisajya.guru
http://www.sakyapa.net
How can you not practice the highest Dharma
at this time of obtaining a perfect human body?
17 of 20
19/02/2015 21:16
http://www.dharmawheel.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=4464&st...
Malcolm
Posts: 12981
Joined: Thu Nov 11, 2010 2:19 am
Top
conebeckham
Posts: 2847
Joined: Mon Jun 14, 2010 11:49 pm
Location: Bay Area, CA, USA
Top
18 of 20
19/02/2015 21:16
http://www.dharmawheel.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=4464&st...
Malcolm
Posts: 12981
Joined: Thu Nov 11, 2010 2:19 am
Top
conebeckham
19 of 20
19/02/2015 21:16
http://www.dharmawheel.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=4464&st...
Posts: 2847
Joined: Mon Jun 14, 2010 11:49 pm
Location: Bay Area, CA, USA
Top
PreviousNext Display posts from previous:
Ascending
All posts
Sort by
Post time
Go
Post a reply
68 posts Page 3 of 4 1, 2, 3, 4
Return to Sakya
Jump to:
Sakya
Go
Who is online
Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest
Board index
The team Delete all board cookies All times are UTC [ DST ]
2015 David N. Snyder, Ph.D., Vipassana Foundation in association with The Dhamma
Encyclopedia
Dharma Wheel is associated with DhammaWheel.com, DhammaWiki.com, and
TheDhamma.com..
Chat room
>
20 of 20
19/02/2015 21:16