Transcript (Day C063) 5 February

ROYAL COMMISSION INTO INSTITUTIONAL
RESPONSES TO CHILD SEXUAL ABUSE
Public Hearing - Case Study 22

(Day C0063)
Court 3.3, County Court of Victoria

250 William Street, Melbourne
On Thursday, 5 February 2015 at 11.30am
Before
The Presiding Member:
Commissioners:
Counsel Assisting:
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Justice Jennifer Ann Coate

Mr Robert Fitzgerald AM
Mr Andrew Murray
Ms Maria Gerace
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THE PRESIDING MEMBER:
Good morning, Ms Gerace.
MS GERACE:
Good morning, Your Honour, Commissioners.
Order of business this morning, if I may just take a few
minutes. Because of logistical difficulties, the plan this
morning is that we will interpose Rabbi Pinchus Feldman and
Rabbi Yosef Feldman before continuing the evidence of
[AVB]. I have discussed this with [AVB] and his counsel
and they are content with that course. Unless there is any
opposition, Your Honour, I propose to call Rabbi Pinchus
Feldman.
Thank you.
MS GERACE:
Rabbi Feldman, please. Can I distribute to
the Bar table a further statement by Rabbi Pinchus Feldman
which has not been distributed to date. It is dated
4 February.
<RABBI PINCHUS FELDMAN, affirmed:
[11.40am]
<EXAMINATION BY MS GERACE:
MS GERACE:
Q.
Rabbi, you are the Chief Rabbi of Chabad
in New South Wales?
A.
In a manner of speaking.
Q.
Perhaps we will come to clarify that. You have
prepared two statements for the Royal Commission, the first
bearing a date of 21 January 2015 and the second prepared
4 February - it is dated 2014 but prepared 4 February 2015;
is that correct?
A.
Correct.
Q.
So changing the date of the second statement to
4 February 2015 and the first statement prepared for the
Royal Commission dated 21 January 2015. Rabbi, have you
had a chance to read those statements?
A.
Yes, I have.
Q.
Before preparing to coming to court? Are there any
changes you wish to make to the contents of either of those
statements?
A.
Not really. It's only as a result of my looking at
the notes of the headmaster at the time that the sequence
of events was slightly different. But these are all in the
notes that have been tendered.
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Q.
A.
Is that a reference to the notes of Bill Conway?

Correct.
Q.
That deal with or record steps taken in responding to
a complaint of abuse against [AVL]?
A.
Correct.
Q.
And so this is dealt with in your first statement in
various paragraphs, but in any event where you deal with
how the complaint against [AVL] was responded to, you say
that having reviewed the notes of Bill Conway there was
some difference in what was recorded about when something
was done; is that correct?
A.
I'm sorry, which paragraph are you referring to?
Q.
I haven't taken you to a paragraph, but I will.
I just want to understand what the change is. In the
course of preparing to coming to court, you have looked at
Bill Conway's notes; is that what happened?
A.
I'm sorry, I don't understand the question.
Q.
You say there are some changes you want to make or
something arising in your statement, something about what
you said was done in response to [AVL]'s complaint, the
complaint against [AVL], and that having had a look at Bill
Conway's notes the order in which certain things happened
has changed; is that right?
A.
It is in 6.3.10 where I wrote that [AVL] returned to
the United States some time later. After reading Conway's
notes it seems that I called for a meeting with him and
Conway and then I was informed that he left. The purpose
of that meeting was to discuss with him the allegations
that were made against him and then without my knowledge he
left the country.
Q.
All right. Can I ask this: What I'm going to ask to
be brought up to you is just a copy of your statement which
has been redacted, which means that the name of the person
that you are referring to has been given a pseudonym. If
you are able to, if you could refer to that person by the
pseudonym and the pseudonym is [AVL]?
A.
I'm sorry for mentioning the name.
Q.
That's all right.

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being shown a copy of your statement with the redactions in

there. So it should be the same statement that Ms Gerace
is referring you to?
A.
Right. Okay.
But with the redactions and with
the pseudonym that's been allocated to the person that's
being referred to. I assume that's what's happened.
MS GERACE:
Yes, that's what's happened.
A.
I don't see it here, I'm sorry.
Q.
If I can just ask you to have a look at 6.3.10. Where
you said in your statement, "[AVL] returned to the
United States some time later," you wish to add that after
reading the notes of Bill Conway you now recall or are
reminded that there was a meeting held between yourself and
[AVL] before he left for the United States?
A.
(Witness nods).
Q.
And you wish to say that without your knowledge he
left to go to the United States?
A.
Correct.
Q.
Save for that amendment, is there anything else you
wish to amend in either the first or the second statement?
A.
No.
Q.
I tender those two statements, Your Honour.
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EXHIBIT #22-22 TWO STATEMENTS OF RABBI PINCHUS FELDMAN

MS GERACE:
Rabbi, perhaps this is best dealt with by me
asking a series of questions and then come back to your
statement so I can clarify the answer you gave earlier
about qualifying whether or not you were the head rabbi of
New South Wales. Since 1968 you say you have been the
emissary of Chabad-Lubavitch in New South Wales?
A.
Correct.
Q.
And you were appointed the rabbi and spiritual leader
for the Chabad of New South Wales on and from that date
1968; is that right?
A.
That is correct.
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Q.
And you travelled to New South Wales and became the
head of a new day school at the time at the Yeshiva Centre
at Flood Street, Bondi?
A.
Correct.
Q.
And you were encouraged to accept that role by the
Rebbe at the same time as being appointed as his emissary
for New South Wales?
A.
Correct.
Q.
As the Chabad emissary in New South Wales, do you have
authority over spiritual questions and over the appointment
of emissaries within New South Wales?
A.
The authority that I have are to appoint emissaries
that will follow the ethos of the Chabad movement.
Subsequent to that, each individual is then independent.
Q.
Is it the case that you remain then as of today's date
the emissary who has authority to appoint other emissaries
within New South Wales who will follow the ethos of the
Chabad movement?
A.
Correct.
Q.
And do I understand your evidence to be then once that
emissary is appointed by you they operate independently of
you?
A.
Correct. Other than when they would seek advice.
Q.
If they seek your advice - we will come back to that you then would exercise the other power you say which is to
answer spiritual questions for the rabbi or for the
community?
A.
Correct.
Q.
Is your evidence as of today that once you have
appointed another emissary they operate independently of
you and that you have no power to direct or control another
emissary in the way that they conduct themselves?
A.
Practically, yes.
Q.
So that as of today you say that is your control more
in the nature of the ability to personally influence or
some sort of personal or other authority in respect
afforded you to be able to -A.
Correct. It is only a moral imperative.
Q.
May I ask something.
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from 1968 when you came out? When you arrived in Australia
as emissary of the Chabad-Lubavitch you were then able to
appoint emissaries for the state of New South Wales, were
you not?
A.
Correct.
Q.
At that time did you exercise control over the conduct
of other emissaries whom you appointed within your
territory?
A.
I would only be able to exercise control over people
that were in our employ. But people that were appointed as
emissaries relating to establishing their own organisations
with my blessing were subsequent totally independent.
Q.
So that has been the position since 1968 to date.
Once you appointed an emissary, if they were no longer
within the employ or the Yeshiva Centre or one of its
organisations, you could no longer exercise any control
other their conduct?
A.
Correct.
Q.
If you appointed an emissary and with your blessing
they had the permission to set up their own organisation
under the Chabad movement, from that time on that person
was autonomous in the way in which they conducted
themselves as a rabbi and your emissary?
A.
Correct.
Q.
Do you remain, though, as the head emissary for the
state of New South Wales?
A.
Yes.
Q.
Do you remain as having authority over spiritual
questions for the Chabad community in New South Wales?
A.
Again, if it would be within the people that are under
my employ, they would be bound to listen to me, like any
employer/employee situation. People that are independent
are entitled to their own opinion, other than if they seek
my advice and guidance.
Q.
So that even on the question of spiritual or
rabbinical authority, is your evidence that you have no
spiritual or rabbinical authority over an emissary who is
not employed by Yeshiva Centre or an organisation that you
are associated with?
A.
Correct.
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Q.
So once they are appointed and run their own
organisations they have their own spiritual and rabbinical
authority within that organisation; is that right?
A.
Correct.
Q.
Do you retain any power - sorry, have you ever had and
do you retain any power to discipline or to otherwise
sanction an emissary who you have appointed in New South
Wales?
A.
There are really no practical ramifications of that
discipline, other than moral questions and other than the
strength of my own arguments and my own ability to
influence whoever it may be.
Q.
So that within Chabad New South Wales, in that broad
umbrella movement, even though you are the head emissary or
the senior rabbi and you have the power to appoint an
emissary within your territory, you have no ability to
sanction or otherwise discipline another rabbi, even one
you have appointed?
A.
Theoretically one has a certain power. But
practically it is never exercised.
Q.
What is theoretically the power that can be exercised
by the head rabbi?
A.
If you have an individual whose behaviour is totally
anathema to Orthodox Judaism, then theoretically one has
the right to delist that particular person. But there are
checks and balances, and this is something that is hardly
ever done.
Q.
Has it ever been done since 1968?
A.
Practically, to the best of my recollection, I would
recall, although I cannot recall any details at the moment,
I did suggest to people that they could theoretically be
delisted if they will continue with a certain approach,
whatever it may be that I thought was wrong. But, as
I say, practically I have never delisted a person.
Q.
So you can recall referring to the ability to do so
where you believe someone was acting inappropriately, but
in terms of following through you don't recall, the best
you can, and I understand that qualification, since 1968
you have never taken the step to delist an emissary who has
been appointed within New South Wales?
A.
Talking about this particular topic, there have been
over the years the central organisation in New York that
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has the ultimate power of recognising emissaries outside of

New York, overseas and in different places. Over the
period of time there wasn't such an organised framework and
therefore as a result of which there may have been people
who previously would have assumed that they were emissaries
but were not really ever recognised as emissaries. But to
have a person that was taken off the list, this is
something that I do not recall occurred.
Q.
You refer to those checks and balances and the process
that needs to be undertaken to have a rabbi delisted. May
I ask you what are those checks and balances and/or where
are they found?
A.
There is the central organisation in New York, and in
addition to that there is a rabbinic arm of that
organisation. If a person believes that he has been
delisted for reasons that are not correct, he has the right
to appeal to that particular rabbinic body to have the
delisting in the first instance - for there to be an
injunction against that delisting taking place until such
time there is a proper hearing as to whether the reason for
delisting has validity.
Q.
So, Rabbi, just so I can understand the process that
might occur should the procedure ever be undertaken, as the
head emissary in New South Wales - as the Chief Rabbi in
New South Wales and the emissary you have available to you,
should it be necessary, to commence a procedure to delist a
rabbi, firstly?
A.
Correct.
Q.
Now, within that process there are systems of checks
and balances that need to be followed by you in order to
undertake that process?
A.
The checks and balances are to ultimately finalise
that delisting. These are checks and balances that the
individual rabbi has to fight and to oppose that delisting.
Q.
All right. So coming back now to the power that
resides within you should there ever a need arise, am
I correct then in understanding from your evidence that
because the procedure has never been used, no formal
document, policy or procedure exists within Chabad New
South Wales for what might trigger such a process? It
would be ultimately your opinion as to whether someone
needed to be delisted; is that right?
A.
That is correct. Indeed, in the past number of years
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we have formalised things a little bit more where if

somebody desires to become and be considered an emissary he
needs to initially agree to an arbitration type of a
process in case that there would be any disputes.
Q.
When did that process start, the process of before
appointing an emissary, signing them up or having them
agree to submit, I assume is the word, to an arbitrated
process in the event a dispute arises so that some decision
can be made?
A.
A number of years ago.
Q.
Is the reason for asking new emissaries to submit to
that process or to agree that they will submit to that
process so that some form of control can be exercised in
the event that you form a view that their conduct needs to
be examined or altered or something needs to be done?
A.
It was only for the purpose of good governance.
Q.
And I assume that's because you wanted to ensure you
could compel a new emissary to participate in a process to
deal with whatever was worrying you from a good governance
point of view?
A.
Either worrying myself or worrying any of his fellow
emissaries.
Q.
Coming back again just so that I can explore this,
please, the fact that deciding whether or not ever to take
steps to delist a rabbi would then depend upon your
personal opinion as to the appropriateness of someone
continuing as an emissary, is the situation that ultimately
it is your determination as to whether or not the emissary
continues to be able to adhere to the ethos of the Chabad
movement as the determining factor as to whether or not you
would ever undertake that step of delisting an emissary?
A.
That is correct.
Q.
Coming back to the ethos of the Chabad movement, does
Chabad New South Wales have any published document that
outlines what the particular ethos of the Chabad document
is that is expected of emissaries? Is there a published
document that we can look at or examine, Rabbi, to say,
"Against these criteria, your functioning as an emissary
will be judged and held accountable." Does that exist now?
A.
I believe that within the context of the good
governance document that we have prepared a number of years
ago is also included a number of very general statements as
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to how we expect an emissary to behave. But I do not have

this document at hand as I wasn't asked to prepare it.
Q.
A.
Do you know what the document is called, Rabbi?

No. I can ask my son who helped me put it together.
Q.
Thank you. We will make some enquiries. You believe
that if we look at this document, the document that sets
out good governance for your emissaries appointed, we may
see in there the criteria or characteristics or behaviours
that one might expect of emissaries appointed within New
South Wales?
A.
In general terms.
Q.
Does that document also outline the process of
delisting or submitting to arbitration, or is that a
separate document?
A.
That's part of the same document.
Q.
Beyond that, in the event that you were to ever take
the steps, or any rabbi, but I'm asking you just about
Sydney; if you were to take the steps to delist, the checks
and balances that you referred to are the formal process
that might be undertaken after you initiate such an action?
A.
Correct.
Q.
And that includes the emissary seeking injunctive
relief whilst perhaps they elevate their dispute to Chabad
New York?
A.
Correct.
Q.
Can I ask you about the relationship, please, between
Chabad New York and Chabad New South Wales. Chabad New
York or Chabad headquarters or Chabad Lubavich New York is
often referred to as the headquarters of the Chabad
movement worldwide; is that correct?
A.
That is correct.
Q.
Is it referred to as Chabad New York or is there a
particular term? Do you refer to it as Chabad New York?
A.
The Chabad headquarters in New York.
Q.
Does the Chabad headquarters exercise any form of
control or governance of the emissaries of Chabad within
Australia?
A.
It is more or less along the same lines as I have
explained before relating to New South Wales. They appoint
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an emissary, and once the emissary is appointed he is

independent and if they want to delist him it's exactly the
same process.
Q.
And if Chabad New York delist an emissary, similar
checks and balances exist for that emissary? They may
appeal it or -A.
Exactly.
Q.
And if an emissary is delisted, they can no longer
call themselves the emissary of Chabad?
A.
Correct.
Q.
A.
But that wouldn't stop them from being a rabbi?

Absolutely not.
Q.
And the same process that we talked about in New South
Wales, even if you delisted someone as an emissary, that
would not stop them calling themselves rabbi?
A.
Absolutely.
Q.
Beyond that arrangement where an emissary may be
appointed by Chabad New York and delisted, does Chabad
New York exercise any control over the conduct of its
emissaries in New South Wales?
A.
No, other than in the same fashion that I would
exercise my authority by discussion, by persuasion,
et cetera.
Q.
Then can I come to a slightly different question and
if you could help us to understand this. Within Chabad New
South Wales if a person wished to raise a complaint against
the conduct of a rabbi, a member of the community, where
would that complaint be dealt with or how would that
complaint be dealt with?
A.
Could you please repeat that question and rephrase it?
Q.
Certainly. If I as a member of a congregation or
synagogue headed by a rabbi who was one of your emissaries
had a complaint about the conduct of that rabbi, what is
the process by which I might raise a complaint about the
conduct of the rabbi?
A.
If the person is a member of a congregation whose
rabbi happens to be an emissary and he would have a
complaint against that rabbi, in the first instance
normally he would go to the board of management of that
synagogue and complain. Over the years I have had people
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who have approached me and I have encouraged all parties to

speak with one another to resolve the issues. But as
I have said before, being that as the head emissary there
is no real power other than general overall spiritual
ethos, it's not really a question that I would be dealt
with, I would be presented with often.
Q.
So that a person might go in the first instance to a
board of management. If they found no comfort in that
process, where would they take or elevate their complaint?
A.
Well, it depends. If these are issues that are
rabbinic issues, then in the first instance they would have
the right to approach either the Rabbinical Council, in
which all rabbis are members, or the Sydney Beth Din, which
is an organisation that deals with the Halachic issues of
the community and, you know, there are all of these
options.
Q.
But within the Chabad community itself there is no
formal complaint process?
A.
Correct.
Q.
Do you think there should be, Rabbi, a documented or
clearly articulated policy for how complaints against
rabbis might be dealt with?
A.
I don't believe that that is our role. I believe that
that is the role of the Rabbinical Council of New South
Wales or/and with the Sydney Beth Din.
Q.
So is the practical situation this: if a member of the
community has a complaint against their rabbi who is an
emissary, they may take it to the board of management, who
often works very closely, do they not, with the rabbi?
A.
I would assume so, if the rabbi is doing his job well,
the board of management will be supportive of the rabbi.
Q.
And that if they find no comfort with the board of
management, they must then apply to have some dispute dealt
with through the Sydney Beth Din, being a rabbinical court?
A.
Correct.
Q.
Or seek to use the Rabbinical Council of New South
Wales?
A.
Correct.
Q.
Does the Rabbinical Council of New South Wales to your
knowledge have some formal or articulated policy for
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resolving complaints against rabbis?

A.
I don't know.
Q.
So, as far as you are aware, has that process ever
been used in New South Wales?
A.
I do not remember chapter and verse, but there are
times over the period of years where there have been
discussions about different matters concerning individuals.
But I really cannot give you any details about that.
Q.
We might ask your son who I think at one stage was
head of the Rabbinical Council in New South Wales; is that
right?
A.
You may ask him.
Q.
Can I come back then to the operation within New South
Wales, Yeshiva Bondi. You say there is no formal
relationship between Yeshiva Bondi and Yeshivah Melbourne?
A.
Correct.
Q.
A.
Other than you are both Chabad organisations?

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Q.
And other than collegial relationships, is it your
evidence that you operate independently of one another?
A.
Totally. I think I mentioned in my evidence that this
would be like the Supreme Court of New South Wales, Supreme
Court of Victoria.
Q.
Although through time they have co-operated, have they
not, by organising activities or having students from one
organisation travel to the other to undertake various
programs or other activities?
A.
Those activities that were joint were not on the basis
of the leadership of either Sydney or Melbourne in
organising. Probably the youth groups of Sydney and the
youth group of Melbourne would make up to meet or to have a
program in Sydney or to have a program in Melbourne. But
this, as I said, was something that was ad hoc and there
was nothing really that was in an organised fashion.
Q.
Can I ask now about Yeshiva Bondi. I'm going to ask
you some questions about what happened before 2003 and then
I will ask you some questions about what has been the
situation since 2003?
A.
Right.
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So pre-2003, Yeshiva in Bondi, Sydney, operated
through a charitable company called the Sydney Talmudical
College Association, the STCA, and two separate entities
which operated the schools, Yeshiva College Limited and
Yeshiva Jewish Day School Limited; is that correct?
A.
Mmm-hmm.
Q.
Yeshiva College Limited ran the Yeshiva College, is
that correct, or were both entities involved in operating
the Yeshiva College?
A.
Which number paragraph?
Q.
A.
Paragraph 4.1 I'm asking you about?

Right. Okay. Yes. Yes.
Q.
You say two entities operated the school, namely
Yeshiva College Limited and Yeshiva Jewish Day School
Limited. What were the responsibilities or what functions
did each of those two companies have in the operation of
the school?
A.
All Jewish schools in Australia, all Jewish day
schools in Australia, operate a secular school and a
religious school together. The religious entity provides
the religious studies and the legal entity, other legal
entity, provides the secular studies. These two separate
legal entities are all fused into the school.
Q.
I see. Was it necessary to have these separate
structures for funding purposes?
A.
Correct, because government funding cannot be
allocated to Jewish studies.
Q.
I see. So that in terms of the day-to-day of a
student attending the school, we have heard some evidence
that a portion of their day would be spent doing Jewish
studies and the other part of the day would be spent doing
secular studies?
A.
Correct.
Q.
So for the student they would attend the one premises
and it would be the whole day they would attend, but it
would be split into the different studies?
A.
(Witness nods).
Q.
But behind the scenes the services were provided or
allocated between the two different institutions?
A.
Correct.
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And the Jewish Day School Limited was responsible
for -A.
The religious studies.
Q.
The Jewish studies, all right. The main school entity
was the Yeshiva College and that was, was it, a school for
boys?
A.
No, Yeshiva College was boys and girls.
Q.
Were they segregated?
A.
They were segregated, yes.
school and a girls school.
But they included a boys
Q.
From the time of 1968 until the change that occurred
at the end of 2003, you were the emissary for New South
Wales and the spiritual head of the Yeshiva College?
A.
Dean and spiritual leader. I was in fact the
principal of the school, as dean.
Q.
So you were the dean and therefore the principal and
spiritual leader of the Yeshiva College until the end of
2003?
A.
Correct.
Q.
At the end of 2003, as you say in your statement,
various changes were put into place and you ceased to have
a role with Yeshiva College Limited from about the end of
2003 onwards?
A.
Correct.
Q.
The main campus of the Yeshiva College at Dover
Heights came to be managed by a different group. The
Yeshiva College changed its name to the Kesser Torah
college in about 2004. You ceased to have any role in
either the management of those corporate entities or the
school formerly known as Yeshiva College as at the end of
2003 or early 2004?
A.
Mmm-hmm.
Q.
Is that correct? All right. Can you explain, please,
paragraph 4.4 of your statement and tell us a little bit
more about the home schooling arrangements that commenced
in or about 2004. What were those arrangements?
A.
There were a group of parents who were not satisfied
with the level of religious education that was being
provided by this new entity. These parents then decided
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that they would home school their children and therefore

have an opportunity to provide to a greater extent having
religious studies, more comprehensive religious studies.
So the children were home schooled and at the same time the
religious studies were taking place in the Yeshiva Centre,
until such time that there were a sufficiently large number
of people who desired to formalise an institution and a
school.
Q.
In these home schooling arrangements, is your evidence
that parents attended to the education, the secular
education, within their homes?
A.
Correct.
Q.
Religious education was taking place at the Yeshiva
Centre?
A.
Also organised by the parents. It was all organised
by the parents.
Q.
A.
Organised by the parents at the Yeshiva Centre?

(Witness nods).
Q.
The centre still being operated by a company that you
had some control and influence over?
A.
Correct.
Q.
So the Yeshiva Centre then refers to premises, does
it, when you use the term "the Yeshiva Centre"?
A.
Yes.
Q.
A.
And those premises being at?

36 Flood Street, Bondi.
Q.
That took place in, what, a hall or some other
facility that existed on the Yeshiva Centre, these
religious studies?
A.
Yes.
Q.
A.
They were organised by the parents?

Correct.
Q.
The parents provided the religious education or did
rabbis and rabbinical students provide the education?
A.
The Yeshiva Centre facilitated the religious
education.
Q.
And how did it facilitate that education?
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services or staff did it provide to facilitate those

studies?
A.
Some teachers.
Q.
What teachers? Where were the teachers drawn from,
please, Rabbi? Were they rabbis, were they rabbinical
students?
A.
They were rabbis who were in Sydney at the time
mainly, and there were some rabbinical students I recall
that were involved at that teaching. Again, I was not
directly involved with that at the time. Indeed my son,
who will be appearing subsequently, was heavily involved in
that. So you will be able to ask him any specific
questions.
Q.
However, in terms of the operation of the Yeshiva
Centre, what was the corporate entity that operated or ran
the Yeshiva Centre? Was it still the STCA?
A.
Yeshiva Centre was a business name.
Q.
A.
Yes?
It was STCA.
Q.
Yes. Thank you. And you have continued since 2003 to
have a role in the management of the STCA?
A.
Correct, although at the present moment I am not a
director of it.
Q.
But coming back to the Yeshiva Centre and the
religious studies, they were provided - facilitated by the
Yeshiva Centre and that involved the provision of staff,
including both rabbis and rabbinical students?
A.
And provision of premises.
Q.
In 2007 when a sufficient number of persons interested
in formalising those arrangements had been reached, an
application was made for registration with the Board of
Studies and in 2008 registration was completed and a new
legal entity was set up, that being the Yeshiva College
Bondi Limited?
A.
Correct.
Q.
To this day does Yeshiva College Bondi Limited provide
religious education to Chabad adherents who are otherwise
home schooled?
A.
Well, at the moment there are no - to the best of my
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community.
Q.
Is the position then that Yeshiva College Bondi
Limited now runs a form of school that provides both
secular and religious studies?
A.
Correct.
Q.
Before I move on to deal with other issues, the
Yeshiva Gedola, is that run from premises at 36 Flood
Street as well?
A.
Correct.
Q.
A.
Which entity operates the Yeshiva Gedola?

STCA.
Q.
And the Yeshiva Gedola, for those who aren't so
familiar with what occurs, is the training centre for
rabbis?
A.
Correct.
Q.
And it is there, if a student wishes to seek
ordination, they will come to complete their studies in
order to then prepare to be tested in order to obtain
ordination and to have the title of rabbi?
A.
Correct.
Q.
In 4.6 of your statement you say that in 2012 the
premises were purchased by a charitable foundation
controlled by Harry Triguboff. When you refer to "the
premises", is that 36 Flood Street?
A.
Correct.
Q.
And has some arrangement been reached whereby STCA and
Yeshiva College Bondi Limited continue to run both the
Yeshiva Gedola and the school on the premises at 36 Flood
Street?
A.
Yes.
Q.
And under that arrangement you make some statement
about the financial responsibility then vesting in Rabbi
Dovid Slavin. But may I ask you about the authority as to
the operation of Yeshiva College Bondi. Do you remain the
dean of the Yeshiva College?
A.
Yes.
Q.
And you remain the spiritual authority for that
college?
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A.
Correct.
Q.
And are you the spiritual authority for the Yeshiva
Gedola?
A.
Correct.
Q.
A.
But your son is the rabbinical administrator?

Correct.
Q.
Do you have any other role in relation to the Yeshiva
Gedola other than a spiritual authority for it?
A.
Assisting in the tests or having discussions with the
students.
Q.
Before I come back to some of the other matters in
your statement, I wanted to ask you some questions about
processes within the Yeshiva Gedola and the school run by
Yeshiva College Bondi. Is the school run - does the school
have a name? Is it called -A.
Yeshiva College Bondi.
Q.
Could you help me to understand this, Rabbi. Where
rabbis or rabbinical students are provided to assist the
school to undertake its religious studies, the religious
education of its students, are those rabbis and rabbinical
students subject to a Working with Children check?
A.
Absolutely.
Q.
We have heard evidence that rabbinical students are
sent on camps often to assist in youth programs and other
youth activities. Does that practice still occur?
A.
Yes.
Q.
Now is a rabbinical student who attends a camp, as
opposed to someone who teaches at the school, subject to a
Working with Children check?
A.
Yes.
Q.
So any rabbi or rabbinical student who teaches at
Yeshiva College Bondi is subject to a Working with Children
check?
A.
Yes.
Q.
Even if they come in for one day and then go away at
any stage -A.
Yes.
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Q.
A.
Whether they are employed or not?

Yes.
Q.
And similarly in relation to any camping arrangements,
any camps or other youth activities, if a rabbinical
student or a rabbi participates in those activities are
they subject to a Working with Children check?
A.
Yes.
Q.
I would like to ask you some questions about Daniel
Hayman now?
A.
Fine.
Q.
You set out in your statement various comments about
your knowledge of Daniel Hayman. Before I do that, I would
like to ask you the following questions. Do you know
Daniel Hayman's family well?
A.
Family meaning? Parents?
Q.
A.
Yes?
Acquaintances.
Q.
A.
Are they in Australia or overseas?

They are both deceased at the moment.
Q.
A.
Were they in Australia or were they overseas?

Sydney.
Q.
Does he also have family overseas, the Hayman family?
A.
He has a brother overseas and a sister, I believe, who
has also gone overseas.
Q.
How did you come to meet Daniel Hayman?
A.
The Yeshiva Centre offered very many services. There
was the school, there was the rabbinical college, there
were the camps, there were the youth groups and over the
period of time it was a very significant hive of activity
with many, many hundreds of people coming along to engage
and participate in the different activities. Daniel Hayman
was not a student of the school, but he involved himself in
a number of the extra curricula activities of the centre.
I believe that he came to certain classes and he became an
adherent of Chabad. His family was not Chabad. His family
were an Orthodox family but who did not share this
particular ethos. As a youngster he decided - he and his
brother decided that they would like to join this
particular movement. There's nothing formal involved. It
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was simply a question of participating in classes or

activities. He was one of the very many that came to
Yeshiva. I myself did not have very much to do with him.
One of the rabbis, one of the other rabbis, was his mentor
and that is how it remained through the whole period of
time.
Q.
I just want to explore the use by you of the words "he
involved himself and there was nothing formal". In any
event, the formal activities undertaken by Yeshiva Centre
were the school and these various youth programs and Chabad
Youth and after school religious programs and camps, was it
not?
A.
Correct.
Q.
The formal arrangement by the Yeshiva Centre in
undertaking those activities was to both have staff and
volunteers to assist in providing those activities and
camps?
A.
Correct.
Q.
And whatever arrangement was reached, whether it was
paid or formalised through documentation, his involvement
was sanctioned or otherwise permitted by the Yeshiva
Centre, who was operating the school and the youth programs
and the activities?
A.
Correct.
Q.
You say in 6.2.3 that you had heard that he had
homosexual tendencies and that he actually acted on them?
A.
(Witness nods).
Q.
And that you do not really recall now how and from
whom you heard this?
A.
Correct.
Q.
Are you able to assist us to understand roughly what
period you are referring to when you say you had heard of
these tendencies? Was this before he was married or after
he was married?
A.
I believe this is before he was married.
Q.
And at a time when he was involved in the delivery of
the religious programs and camps?
A.
Well, he was not involved in any type of religious
programs. He was never appointed even as a counsellor. To
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with supplies or to bring supplies when necessary, like a

go-to person. But he never had any type of a formal role
in the camps, to the best of my recollection. Indeed,
before such time that I wrote this statement I spoke to the
director of Jewish studies, who was the director of camps
at the time, who told me that without any question he had
never ever been given any type of responsibility to deal
with children.
Q.
A.
Who was the director you had the conversation with?

Rabbi Jacob Leider.
Q.
A.
Could you just spell his last name?

L-E-I-D-E-R.
Q.
Could we leave aside the use of the world "formal"
because I think we have come to a position, have we not,
that whoever organised these camps, one, gave permission
for him to attend; correct?
A.
(Witness nods).
Q.
A.
That's correct, isn't it?

Correct.
Q.
The camps were to provide services for children;
correct?
A.
Correct.
Q.
He attended the camps in the role of assisting those
who were running the camps?
A.
Correct.
Q.
And was around, therefore, the activities of and the
children who had attended the camps?
A.
Correct.
Q.
Am I also correct in understanding that as of today's
date records no longer exist of the camps and formal
documentation of who attended and in what role? Don't
know?
A.
I don't know.
Q.
Daniel Hayman was married.
married?
A.
No.
Q.
Do you know when he was
Can I come back to the question I asked before?
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A.
Mmm-hmm.
Q.
You believe you heard rumours that he had homosexual
tendencies and that he was acting on them at a time before
he was married?
A.
Correct.
Q.
Was this at a time that you had come to know of him as
a person who had attended the Yeshiva Centre and was
attending, in whatever capacity, the camps that were being
organised by the Yeshiva Centre?
A.
Excuse me?
Q.
This information that you heard, Rabbi, about him
having homosexual tendencies and that he was acting on
them, was that at a time that Daniel Hayman was attending
the Yeshiva Centre and participating as an assistant or
volunteer at the camps being run by the Yeshiva Centre?
A.
Very likely. However, somebody having homosexual
tendencies is not against the law.
Q.
No, I understand that, Rabbi, and we will come to that
in a minute. I just want to understand that you say the
sum total of the information you heard about him in this
period was that he had homosexual tendencies and that he
had acted on them. You do not recall who you heard that
from but you don't believe that any complaint reached you
about any unwanted advances?
A.
Definitely no complaint reached me. Nobody has ever
complained to me about their being a victim of Daniel
Hayman.
Q.
Did you ever speak to Daniel Hayman about his conduct
with boys at the Yeshiva Centre or Yeshiva camps?
A.
Not to the best of my recollection.
Q.
Daniel Hayman was married in 1987. He was 23 at the
time. When abouts do you say you first met Daniel Hayman
or came to know of him when he started to attend the
Yeshiva Centre?
A.
During his teenage years.
Q.
So it was between his teens and 23 when you were
hearing this information?
A.
Exactly when, I cannot say.
Q.
What do you say to the suggestion that not only had
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information reached you about his conduct, but you also

spoke to him to tell him to stay away from younger boys?
A.
I don't recall any such conversation.
Q.
Do you know that Daniel Hayman says that you spoke to
him about that?
A.
No, I do not know of any such conversation and I do
not know that he has made such a statement.
Q.
Who was Rabbi Lesches at about the time that - in this
period we are talking about between - sorry, let me come
back to that and introduce it. Rabbi Lesches at one stage
was the dean of the Yeshiva Gedola, was he not?
A.
Correct.
Q.
You have seen, have you not, in the press and perhaps
in preparing for this Royal Commission conversations had
between witness [AVB] and Rabbi Lesches in which Rabbi
Lesches and [AVB] discuss Hayman and conversations between
Rabbi Lesches and Hayman in relation to his conduct?
A.
Yes.
Q.
Have you seen that material? Rabbi Lesches is said to
have told [AVB] that he spoke to Daniel Hayman and told him
he had to stop it, that he had to stop what he was doing,
and that Rabbi Lesches had spoken to Daniel Hayman on a
number of occasions to tell him to stop his behaviour.
Now, let me ask you this. Rabbi Lesches was the dean of
the Yeshiva Gedola. The Yeshiva Gedola was the college for
rabbinical students?
A.
(Witness nods).
Q.
Did he have any role in relation to Yeshiva Bondi, the
school?
A.
He had no role in the school.
Q.
Daniel Hayman was never a student of the rabbinical
college, was he?
A.
I do not believe so.
Q.
And was not involved in the training of rabbis in any
way?
A.
(Witness shakes head).
Q.
So his only involvement was to come to the synagogue
and to attend on youth camps being run by Yeshiva Centre?
A.
And attend classes.
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What role did Rabbi Lesches have in his interaction
with you whilst he was at the Yeshiva Gedola?
A.
We were colleagues, and he discussed with me any
issues that he thought were necessary to discuss with me.
Q.
What about issues of inappropriate sexual conduct
occurring at the school?
A.
I don't recall any conversation of that nature.
Q.
You know that [AVB] spoke to Daniel Hayman and asked
him about whether anyone had spoken to him about his
conduct and asking him to stop; are you aware in preparing
for this Commission?
A.
Mmm-hmm.
Q.
A.
And have you read [AVB]'s statement?

Yes.
Q.
And do you know that [AVB] spoke to Daniel Hayman and
in that conversation Hayman told [AVB] that you in fact
spoke to him and had a conversation with him?
A.
I am not aware of that. I am aware of the fact that
Daniel Hayman says that he recalls that there was a
conversation that he had with me and he does not recall
what the conversation was about. I don't even recall the
conversation, but in regard to what the statement of Daniel
Hayman that I have seen.
Q.
Let me take you to what Daniel Hayman has said. You
know that eventually Daniel Hayman would be charged with
various offences of child sexual abuse and in that process
was interviewed by police. In his interview with police he
says - this is a document at tab 212. We might bring that
up, document NPF.053.002.0012_E_R. He's asked about an
allegation that he did do something with a young victim,
and he says at question 58, or the police say:
So he was younger than you at the time?
Daniel Hayman's evidence is:
I guess he was, I'm guessing he, yeah, I'm,
yeah he was definitely a few years younger,
exactly how many I don't know.
Then he is asked:
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Do you recall a Rabbi Lesches having a

conversation with you about this matter?
Answer:
I recall Rabbi Lesches having a
conversation with me, and he just, all
I recall is that he simply said I should
stay away from certain people, and that's
all I can recall from the conversation.
Can you tell me who those certain people
were?
He says he doesn't even know:
I don't even know the time, which people
I was mixing and mingling with and hanging
around that he was referring to, I really
don't remember.
Next question:
What do you mean by saying mixing and
mingling with?
There were many different people and kids
and teenagers and people that were around,
you know, over the years and I don't
remember specifics of who he was referring
to.
Can you tell exactly what Rabbi Lesches
said to you?
All I recall is that he said that I should
stay away and just not associate with them,
that's it.
And why was he telling you to stay away
from these other people?
Well, he had obviously heard something from
someone that I had possibly done something
and that, you know, he said just to stay
away.
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And what was that that you'd done?

Done things which were probably
inappropriate with people that were younger
than me.
Can you tell me exactly what it was that
you'd done?
Yeah, I'd rather just not specify if that's
all right.
Was it in relation to you indecently
assaulting or sexually assaulting young
boys?
I'd rather just not answer that question if
that's all right.
From the evidence examined by this Commission in other
respects and from this interview, the information that
reached Rabbi Lesches was that the conduct that was being
described was that Daniel Hayman was having contact with
younger boys of an inappropriate nature. Now, Rabbi, I ask
you again: was the information that you received about his
homosexual - what was described as his homosexual conduct
one involving younger boys at the Yeshiva Centre?
A.
Definitely not.
Q.
Daniel Hayman is asked later on what conversation you
have had with him. Just before I go to that, following on
from the question:
Can you tell me who else - sorry, no,
withdraw that. Shortly after Rabbi Lesches
speaking to you, did you leave the country?
Not that I'm aware of.
Within several months?
I know I left in 1987 to go to America to
look for a wife -Other information that we have received - and I will take
you to it, Rabbi - suggest that complaints were first made
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about Daniel Hayman by young boys to Rabbi Lesches in 1986,

and it would appear from this evidence that Rabbi Lesches
then had a conversation with Daniel Hayman, and that in
1987 he left the country and went and was married. The
police then asked Daniel Hayman about his marriage and then
asked further about conversations you may have had with
him. If we could bring up document 213,
NPF.053.002.0030_E_R. He is asked the following series of
questions commencing at question 234:
So what exactly do you recall about what
happened at [redacted]?
Just remember he slept over, I don't
remember more details than that.
Do you have any recollection of touching
him that night?
No.
Did you indecently assault [redacted]?
Not to my knowledge, not to my
recollection.
So you don't remember?
I don't remember, correct, yes.
So earlier in our conversation we spoke
about Rabbi Lesches?
Mmm-hmm.
And him speaking to you.
Mmm-hmm.
But you decline to tell me what he actually
spoke to you about.
As I said, no, I did tell you, he told me
that I should simply keep away, that's it.
But he didn't give you a reason as to why
you should keep away?
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I think it was he just told me to keep

away, that's what he told me, yeah.
Did any other rabbi speak to you about
staying away from other boys?
You know, I do have a vague recollection of
Rabbi Feldman speaking to me, but I don't
really remember much details or anything
specific at all.
And can you tell me which rabbi that was?
Rabbi Feldman.
Is that Rabbi Pinchus Feldman?
That's the one, yeah, yeah.
What did he say to you?
I honestly do not recall the conversation,
I just remember the incident taking place.
What context was the conversation in,
about?
Similar thing to what Rabbi Lesches spoke
about, to keep away.
From the younger boys?
Yes, yes.
According to this police statement, Rabbi Lesches and
yourself have both spoken to Daniel Hayman to stay away
from younger boys.
A.
I'm afraid that I can't agree with that. He himself
says that he does not remember and, as a result of him
being asked more questions, he said, "Maybe it was the
similar thing." But he has a vague recollection that there
was a discussion with me, without speaking about any
details. So I do not recall any such conversation at all.
Q.
And yet as the dean of the school at the time and the
spiritual leader you would expect, would you not, that
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anyone who raised a complaint about inappropriate behaviour

by someone in connection with activities would bring that
complaint to you?
A.
Correct, and nobody did.
Q.
They wouldn't take it necessarily to the dean of - you
wouldn't expect that it would just be dealt with by the
dean of the Yeshiva Gedola without speaking to you, would
you?
A.
Rabbi Lesches ran the Yeshiva Gedola and he dealt with
all of the problems that came to him, and unless he felt
that there was a serious matter that needed to be dealt
with he wouldn't necessarily tell me all of the issues that
he had with all of the young people that he was mentoring.
Q.
Would it be the case that at the time of these events,
if they are placed around 1986/1987, that you had no formal
documents in place to regulate a mechanism by which
complaints of inappropriate conduct with young children
would be firstly recorded?
A.
It's very likely that there wasn't, although in the
school itself there may have been. But in regard to the
Yeshiva Gedola I do not believe that there was any.
Q.
Is it also the case that there were no policies in
place that articulated what was to occur if a complaint
reached either yourself or the dean of the Yeshiva Gedola
in terms of what steps needed to be taken to respond to any
complaints of inappropriate conduct with younger boys?
A.
I am sure that there was nothing in writing at the
time.
Q.
You were asked to prepare a statement for the Royal
Commission, were you not? You were asked to prepare a
statement for the Royal Commission?
A.
Yes.
Q.
Why was it that in late last year, in September 2014,
your son Rabbi Eli Feldman made contact with Daniel Hayman
to try and obtain information from him about what his
recollection was of any conversations with you?
A.
I'm afraid I don't understand the question.
Q.
Well, you know, don't you, Rabbi, that in September
last year your son Rabbi Eli Feldman contacted Daniel
Hayman and asked him to clarify the nature of the alleged
conversation with you and whether or not it was a
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confession and what details you recall giving; you know

that, don't you?
A.
And what was his response?
Q.
No, I will ask these questions, please, Rabbi. You
know, do you not, that in September 2014 your son Rabbi Eli
Feldman emailed or otherwise made contact with Daniel
Hayman and asked him to email a copy of an interview with
the police as well as the conversation he had had with
[AVB]; yes? You know that he did that, don't you?
A.
Yes.
Q.
You also know, don't you, Rabbi, that he asked Daniel
Hayman to clarify to Eli in a paragraph, "The nature of the
alleged conversation with my father and whether or not it
was a confession and what details you recall giving that
would also be appreciated"; you know he did that, don't
you?
A.
Correct.
Q.
And he did that on your behalf?
A.
You can say so. It was as a matter of discussion,
simply to prepare for - to refresh my memory if there was
something that I didn't recall.
Q.
The document at tab 174, please, YSV.0005.001.0020_R.
Some might also see that, Rabbi, as an attempt to obtain
material to see what other information exists consistent or
otherwise with what you were going to say. What do you say
about that?
A.
What I say is that I have myself absolutely no
recollection. However, being that there were suggestions
that there was a discussion, I thought that it would be
worthwhile to have my memory refreshed if indeed I did have
a discussion, because it is extremely important that one is
completely truthful, and I was not going to - I wanted to
make sure that what I was going to be saying was not
incompatible with the truth.
MS GERACE:
Your Honour, Commissioners, it is actually
1 pm. We might come back to this topic.
Yes. Rabbi Feldman, we are going
to take the lunch break now and we will return at 2.
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LUNCHEON ADJOURNMENT
<RABBI PINCHUS FELDMAN, recalled:
[2.00pm]
Thank you, Ms Gerace.
MS GERACE:
Rabbi, I'm going to go back to the email, but
before I do, I was asking you some questions before the
luncheon break about Rabbi Lesches. You said that he had a
role as the dean of the Yeshiva Gedola, which is the school
for rabbinical students?
A.
(Witness nods).
Q.
As I recall your evidence, you said you did not
believe he had a role in relation to the Yeshiva College
itself?
A.
Correct.
Q.
Could it be that you have recalled that incorrectly,
that he did in fact have some role to play with students
attending the Yeshiva College?
A.
I have no recollection. You may refresh my memory;
that's fine.
Q.
A.
He's a senior rabbi now, is he not?

Correct.
Q.
I don't know respectively your ages, but he is of a
similar age if perhaps not a little bit older than you, is
that right, Rabbi Lesches?
A.
Slightly younger.
Q.
So at the time of the events when he was in Sydney, he
was of a similar seniority as you, although you were the
head of Chabad New South Wales?
A.
Correct.
Q.
So he was in fact a senior rabbi at the time?
A.
Correct. Now that you are speaking about this, when
I brought him out - I employed him and I brought him out
from America, and when he came out from America he was
doing some teaching in the school. That's a very long time
ago.
Q.
Yes, I understand?
A.
And not during the period of time at all that we are
speaking about, and that's why I made that comment that he
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had no contact with the school because from the time that
he became dean of the rabbinical college and even before he
had no longer any teaching requirements in the college.
Q.
When he was working at the Yeshiva Centre, though, he
was an employee of the Yeshiva Centre?
A.
Correct.
Q.
Whether that was in the teaching role or later as the
dean of the Yeshiva Gedola?
A.
Correct.
Q.
So in either role he was employed by the Yeshiva
Centre?
A.
Correct.
Q.
And in the intervening period between being a teacher
and being the dean, he was doing other activities for the
Yeshiva Centre as its employee?
A.
Correct.
Q.
And therefore you had authority over him as the
principal or head of the Yeshiva Centre and direct control
over him as an employee?
A.
Correct.
Q.
Can I go back to the email we were talking about
before. If you could scroll halfway down the email, thank
you, from Eli, addressed "Dear Gug", who you understand to
be Daniel Hayman; is that right, Rabbi?
A.
Pardon me?
Q.
A.
"Gug" is Daniel Hayman?

Correct.
Q.
On your behalf, Eli, your son, emailed Gug and
requested that Daniel Hayman email the transcript of his
interview with -A.
I need to interject. It wasn't simply at my request.
Eli is the media person responsible for contact with the
media, and the media was harassing him relating to this
whole issue. So for his own purposes, which I went along
with, he contacted Gug to establish and ascertain what the
truth was.
Q.
With then your at least imprimatur, he went and
contacted Daniel Hayman and requested a copy of the
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transcript of his interview with police and his

conversation with [AVB] because by this time you had come
to be aware that Daniel Hayman had had a conversation with
[AVB] in which your name had been raised?
A.
Very, very likely.
Q.
And also that he had had an interview with police in
which Daniel Hayman had also raised your name as having
spoken to him?
A.
As having possibly spoken to him.
Q.
A.
We will come to what he says?

The recollection of that being very vague.
Q.
And also asked Daniel Hayman:

If you can please clarify to me in a
paragraph the nature of the alleged
conversation with my father, whether or not
it was a concession and what details you
recall giving, that would also be
appreciated.
If we look at the response of 3 September, and we bring it

down, go to the top of the email, and if we can go to the
second paragraph:
To the best of my recollection, I had only
one conversation with your father. Your
father did not say that he heard such and
such. The specifics of what might have
been said when we had a chat are very vague
at best, as it took place a very long time
ago, but to make an educated guess,
considering how long ago this conversation
took place, he may have said that there was
a possible rumour that he heard, and if
there was any truth to the rumour, I should
do the right thing and conduct myself in a
chasiddishe manner. I certainly did not
make any confession in any way, shape or
form.
Rabbi, he doesn't say that you maybe had a conversation.
He says he did have a conversation with you, but the
precise details of the conversation are not clear. Do you
accept that's what that email says?
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A.
In actual fact I had more than one conversation with
him. He was a young man around the place and I used to
speak to him from time to time, particularly in regard to
his misbehaviour in regard to other areas, and I asked him
to calm down. But in actual fact, speaking about a
recollection of a conversation relating to this topic,
I categorically deny that I ever spoke to him about this
topic.
Q.
But do you accept that that's what the email is
saying, that Daniel Hayman says that you did have a
conversation with him about this topic?
A.
No, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. He's making an educated
guess. He may have said there was a possible rumour that
he heard. It doesn't say what the rumour was, what the
context of that rumour, and if there was any truth to the
rumour that he doesn't mention, and he makes it very clear
that he did not make any confession. He made it very clear
that as Jews there's no such thing as confession to a rabbi
and confessing sins to a rabbi. He never discussed with
myself or any other rabbi such a topic. And he is quite
certain that "if your father knew of anything specific
occurring, he would have taken serious action, but it was
just a rumour, and nothing more." He is making it very
clear that he realised that, if this would have been the
topic of discussion, there would have been consequences.
Q.
A.
Rabbi, if we could go over to page YSV.0005.001.0017?

I'm sorry, it's not on the screen.
Q.
No,
document
might be
It's the
please.
it will come up. Actually, can we go back to the

YSV.0005.001.0015. That's not the document. It
the following page or the third page, please.
same document but the third page of that document,
YSV.0005.001.0015.

after, Ms Gerace?
Is that the document you were
MS GERACE:
Yes, that's the document I was after,
Your Honour. Thank you. Can we scroll down to the
beginning. You know, do you not, Rabbi, from the material
you have seen, that Daniel Hayman told police that Rabbi
Lesches did speak to him about staying away from young
boys. You do know that?
A.
Yes, it's a matter of police record.
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Q.
You accept, do you not, Rabbi, that as your employee
at the time, Rabbi Lesches should have told you?
A.
No, I don't. There were many employees of Yeshiva.
We had many departments. Each department head dealt with
the issues that they felt they were able to deal with on
their own. It was only if they felt that they needed my
advice or input that they discussed it with me.
Q.
So do you say now that as the head of the school at
the time responsible for managing the school and oversight
of the activities, that if one of your staff members had
information about someone behaving inappropriately with
children, that was not something that should be reported to
you as the head of the organisation?
MR BARKER:
I object to that question. There is no such
evidence. At the very worst from my client's point of
view, none of this could result in an adverse finding. It
is all hearsay and what is now being put is why a response
was not made to an approach which has not been proved. In
my respectful submission, that ought to be the end of it.
It's also, with respect to my friend, becoming just a
little repetitious.
Ms Gerace.
MS GERACE:
Your Honour, the proposition being explored
with this witness, having accepted that information came to
an employee of his, a senior rabbi and employee of
the Yeshiva Centre, the question before last was I asked
the Rabbi if Rabbi Lesches had that information, that
should have been reported to him in his role as the head
and the rabbi said no, and I'm exploring that proposition
further.
Yes, that's what I understood,
rather than asking this witness to confirm whether or not
that actually happened. It's being put as a proposition:
If he had that information, would Rabbi Feldman have
expected that to be reported to him. I understood his
answer to be that he doesn't accept that he should have
been told. I'm going to let Ms Gerace explore why he says
that.
MR BARKER:
Thank you.
A.
So may I clarify?
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MS GERACE:
Yes.
A.
I believe that if Rabbi Lesches would have been made
aware of there being criminal activity, without any doubt
he would have brought up the issue. I have no doubt that
that was the case.
Q.
A.
Could I ask for, please -But I may be wrong. But this is how I see it.
Q.
Following on from that, Rabbi, do you accept if Rabbi
Lesches received information about or allegations that
could be child sexual abuse by Daniel Hayman against
children, that should have been reported by Rabbi Lesches
to you?
A.
I believe that if he would have become familiar with
criminal activity he certainly should have reported it and
it certainly should have been taken further.
Q.
Let me come back to this issue of familiarity. What
does that mean, Rabbi? What do you mean when you say "if
you become familiar with"?
A.
Aware of.
Q.
Let's explore "aware of" because I think we are
talking about the same things but I want to be clear. If a
complaint was made to Rabbi Lesches that even suggested the
possibility of child sexual abuse by Daniel Hayman, do you
accept that as your employee Rabbi Lesches should have made
you aware of the complaint?
A.
If there was a specific complaint I certainly believe
that that would have been the right thing to do.
Q.
And is that not something you would have expected your
staff to do at the time?
A.
Yes, I would.
Q.
Because knowledge by your staff is knowledge by your
institution, isn't it?
A.
Yes.
Q.
I'm going to show you some documents which we are also
going to show to the Bar table. If I could ask for
document NSW.2021.001.0221 to be brought up, please.
Rabbi, this is a police statement of a person. The name of
that person has been redacted to preserve their
confidentiality. This person was not a student at the
time. I will read you from paragraph 4:
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A.
When I was in year 9 or 10, aged about 16

or 17, in 1985 or 1986 -Excuse me, can this be put on the screen, please?
Q.
able
copy
A.
Yes, paragraph 4, if that can be brought up. Are you

to see that? It's quite small. We will give you a
so you can read it as well?
Fine.
Q.
It reads:
When I was in year 9 or 10, aged about 16
or 17, in 1985 or 1986 I was invited to
attend a Jewish festival or Shabbat in
Bondi by [someone]. [Redacted] went to
school with my brother [redacted].
I understood that we would attend the
synagogue, go out for meals, and that the
sleeping arrangements were being made by
[redacted]. We were intending to stay with
Robert Hayman, who I knew as "Gug". We
were going to stay at Gug's sister's unit
in [redacted].
At the time Gug was aged about in his early
twenties, and I understood that he was a
student at the University of Wollongong.
He had a full black beard, and was quite
hairy. Gug was about five foot six or five
foot seven; he had a slight build but was
quite toned.
It came to be that this person stayed at a unit where Gug

also stayed, and I will take you over to the detail. Top
of the second page:
It was fairly late at night by the time we
got there. We sorted out the sleeping
arrangements, as we were all quite tired.
The main bedroom had a large sized water
bed. There was not much room in the
apartment, and there were four or five of
us staying for the night. [Redacted] opted
out from sleeping on the water bed, and
elected to sleep on the couch in the lounge
room. It was arranged for me to sleep in
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the water bed along with Gug and another

person. Gug was in the middle of the bed.
When I was lying on my back Gug was on my
left. The other person, who I cannot
recall, was on the other side of Gug. We
all went to bed at the same time. I was
wearing a t-shirt and pyjama pants.
Paragraph 7:
I slept on my right-hand side, facing away
from Gug. I had to stay quite still
because it was a water bed and it was very
sensitive to movement.
Then in paragraph 7 he goes on to describe certain conduct:
I went to sleep, but after a short time I
woke up to feel a hand going underneath my
top and into my pants. I could feel that
the hand was from Gug's left arm, as his
arm was resting on the left side of my body
reaching across from the middle of the bed.
I was able to tell it was Gug's arm as
I could feel that the hand and arm was
hairy, and the arm was thin and wiry as I
knew Gug's was.
He thereafter describes actions he took trying to push away
the hand as Gug started to fondle his penis:
Again I tried to push his hand away, but
I was too embarrassed to say anything
because of the other people that were
nearby. I was very uncomfortable, and
almost frozen.
Reading down from paragraph 8:
The following day [redacted] made a comment
to me. I cannot recall his exact words,
but he suggested that he knew what had
happened with Gug during the night. I was
too embarrassed to talk about it; however,
I think it may have happened to [redacted]
on a previous occasion as he had elected
not to sleep in the bed the previous night.
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Paragraph 10 is where I want to take you to next:

During 1986 or 1987 I got into a
conversation with some of my peers, who
were all around the same age as me, some
may have been a little bit younger.
I cannot recall the names of these boys.
We had come to realise that Gug had done
the same thing to each of us, and we were
all victims. As a group we went to Rabbi
Lesches, who was a senior rabbi of the
Sydney Rabbinical College, also known as
Yeshiva Gedolah at 36 Flood Street, Bondi.
This was also where Gug was a volunteer and
he did a lot of outreach work. So the
rabbi would have known Gug very well. We
went to the rabbi's home in [redacted] to
tell him what had happened.
When we got to the rabbi's house
I initiated the conversation. I said words
similar to, "Gug has been inappropriate
with myself and the others here, we're all
victims of his." I remember saying, "We've
all been touched inappropriately, I think
he is gay." I said something similar to,
"We weren't sure what to do, so we've come
to you." The other people also spoke. The
rabbi said words to the effect of, "Oh, we
have a problem with him" and "I will deal
with it." We were at the rabbi's house for
at least 20 minutes or half an hour. We
left as a group. The rabbi had not
suggested any counselling or anything
similar, nor did he suggest going to the
police. As a teenager I felt that I had
done the right thing by telling an adult,
and felt assured that the rabbi would take
the appropriate action.
Within a few months of telling the rabbi
what had happened to me I discovered that
Gug had travelled to New York in the United
States of America. I do not know how long
he was there for. When he returned I was
cautious when I was around him, which was
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mostly in the synagogue, although it could

be when we were at someone's house for a
meal. We moved in the same circles within
the Jewish community. We did not discuss
what had happened at his sister's house.
Firstly, Rabbi, if that evidence is accepted of evidence of
complaint by that boy, the victim, to Rabbi Lesches, do you
accept that information of that sort should have been
reported by Rabbi Lesches to you?
A.
Definitely.
Q.
Can I ask for the following document to be brought up,
please. This will also be distributed to the Bar table.
NSW.2021.001.0225. Rabbi, again, this is a statement of
another person whose name has been redacted. I will read
from paragraph 4:
My parents converted to Orthodox Judaism in
1977 in the year that I was born. I've not
really discussed the conversion with my
father although I do believe it was to
provide the family with a better life. My
family moved to Brisbane from Ipswich to be
a part of the Jewish community there; as
there was no such community in Ipswich. My
father grew up in a Seventh Day home and my
mother grew up in a Catholic home. I never
did discuss religion with my grandparents.
It is my understanding in talking with one
of my sisters that they may not have been
particular pleased with my parent's
conversion. But that would have been
normal at the time ...
Move on, please, to the following page.
5:
At first my parents would attend the

Brisbane Hebrew Congregation in Margaret
Street, Brisbane. It was only a few years
that we attended synagogue. I vaguely
remember it as a kid. It was when my
parents were just starting out in their
Jewish faith. They then started attending
the one in Greenslopes; it's known as the
South Brisbane Hebrew Congregation or the
Givat Zion. Both of these synagogues are
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of the Orthodox tradition which is the

Jewish tradition that my parents settled
on.
6:
The conversion of my parents required of
them to travel to Sydney quite often, where
they were under the guidance of the Beth
Din. The Beth Din is basically a
Rabbinical Court which adjudicates over
such things as conversion to the faith.
There is a relationship between the Beth
Din and the Yeshiva Centre which is how my
parents became involved with the Yeshiva
Centre (and College) and members (including
rabbis) of that congregation. Moreover, on
occasion student rabbis of the Yeshiva
Centre would visit the South Brisbane
Hebrew Congregation or the Givat Zion to
conduct services particularly on "high
holidays".
If we could read on to schooling, to 9:
My oldest sister [redacted] had been a
student of Yeshiva Ladies College, Bondi,
for a few years and my parents were very
pleased with how she was doing there,
particularly in terms of the development of
her faith. During her time at Yeshiva
Ladies College I attended quite a few camps
which were conducted by the Yeshiva Centre,
which is the synagogue attached to Yeshiva
Ladies College. As a consequence of my
sister's progress and my enjoyable
experiences at the Yeshiva Centre camps my
parents decided to enrol me in Yeshiva
Ladies College. I first attended Yeshiva
Ladies College in about October 1989 and
was placed by my father under the care and
guidance of Rabbi Lesches. I was 12 years
and 9 months.
The first home that I boarded was the home
of Daniel Hayman in [redacted]. I believe
I was there for at most a month up to late
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November or late December 1989. Daniel

Hayman is a member of the Yeshiva Centre's
congregation. Daniel Hayman was in his
early 20s. He is Caucasian, short in
height, slim build, dark hair, beard and
eyes. He usually wore glasses. I think
they were tinted dark. He had an
Australian accent. He was a bit of a
jokester and was happy and jovial. He
didn't have a role to play at Yeshiva
Centre as such although I do recall that he
prayed there along with the other men three
times a day.
Daniel Hayman was married to -I will just stop there to say we will see, won't we, Rabbi,
if this evidence is correct, that these events being
described are occurring at a time after the earlier
complaint to Rabbi Lesches, because at that time, the first
complaint, Daniel Hayman was not married; he then travels
and is married and these events that are being described in
this statement appear to relate to a period after his
marriage?
A.
(Witness nods).
Q.
Reading on from the second sentence of paragraph 11:

I remember her as a fairly quiet person.
She also wore glasses. They had one child
(still in a cot) but I think [redacted] was
also pregnant. It was a confusing family
situation and seemed quite odd in
comparison to my own home life and
upbringing. There were so many nights when
Daniel and [redacted] would not be home.
I don't recall whether they worked or where
they would go and nor would they tell me
anyway. There were many occasions where
[redacted] would not be home however Daniel
Hayman would. I knew this was wrong and
had Rabbi Lesches knew of this he would
never had permitted me to stay with them.
I had my own key to the apartment. I would
walk to and from school on my own.
Then there is a description of various things:

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Only on the weekends on the Sabbath (or the

Shabbos) would we sit together for meals.
We never all had conversation; and
certainly there were no conversations
between Daniel Hayman and I of topics that
were even remotely sexual. I was never
asked by him about my physical development,
previous relationships or anything
inappropriate.
If we can go over to the complaint.
Paragraph 15:
The first series of incidents involved

Daniel Hayman being naked. I would often
wake up and it would be really quiet.
I didn't know what time it was. I would
have the feeling that there was someone in
the room. I just remember that it was a
dark apartment and the curtains were always
drawn. I never had a sense of what time of
the day it was. I recall the telephone
ringing in the kitchen and Daniel Hayman
would walk out of the bedroom completely
naked. I remember this occurred on at
least two occasions. [Redacted] was not
home on these occasions. I would be
sitting on the couch doing my homework and
I would be completely shocked. I remember
turning my eyes immediately to the
bookshelf to my immediate left and keeping
my eyes to the left the whole time. It
would have been impossible for him not to
be aware that I was home.
There is then a description of those events, but in
particular in relation to the nakedness she says:
I had never seen a male naked before.
I have no brothers and had not seen my
father naked before. I had never seen
images of naked men in books or on the
television.
Then we go on to the incident, paragraph 17:
I recall another incident.
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the sofa and I rolled over to face the wall

(ie the wall with the front door). Daniel
Hayman was seated on the couch. He was
naked and he was leaning forward looking at
me. I did not look at his penis directly
but rather his whole naked body. I do
[not] recall the state of his penis whether
erect or otherwise. It was quite dark as
always but there was some light coming from
somewhere. I had the quilt up on me.
Daniel Hayman leaned forward and placed a
hand on the quilt and moved it very
slightly off the bed. I had frozen up to
that point when Daniel Hayman touched the
quilt and over several seconds moving a bit
by bit rolling across the couch as far away
from him as I could. I had my back to
Daniel Hayman. Daniel Hayman released the
quilt, stood up and walked around the other
side of the sofa bed and I then had the
courage to move more quickly to the other
side of the sofa bed in the direction where
he was previously seated. My back again
faced Daniel Hayman. I believe this action
made it known to Daniel Hayman that I was
not asleep and was aware of his presence.
At no time did Daniel Hayman touch me or
enter the bed. Daniel Hayman walked into
his room.
In paragraph 18 and following she describes events which
I will summarise. She got out of bed and changed into her
school uniform. She left the apartment through the front
door and was crying at the time. She says:
I was terrified and completely scared.
I just wanted to get out of there.
I remember looking at my watch and it was
about 4.30 am. It was a school day.
I walked to the public telephone booth
outside the Bondi Library on Bondi Road.
I rang [redacted]. [That person] is a
friend a few years older than me.
She then appears to have a conversation with her friend and
was crying over the phone. Going back to the statement
now:
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He told me that there was nothing that he

could do. I told him that I was going to
tell Rabbi Lesches and tell him what
happened.
Paragraph 19:
I walked to the Yeshiva Centre and waited
for several hours. I saw Rabbi Lesches in
his office and telling him just about what
happened earlier that morning. He said,
"I do not believe you. Why would you
invent such a story?" I was crying.
I said, "I'm not inventing this story. I'm
not going back there."
He said, "Go to
school. Get over it." I said, "I'm not
going to get over it. I'm not going back
there." I did go to school that day and
I'm pretty certain I did ring my dad.
I didn't tell him everything but I did tell
my dad I didn't want to go back there.
We will just leave the other events aside, but I wanted to
call up a further document, please. Document
NSW.2021.001.0239 and following. This will be distributed
to the Bar table if it hasn't been already. Rabbi, this is
a statement made to police by the parent of the victim, the
witness we just read. Sorry, the parent of the person who
made the statement I previously just read out parts of.
I read from paragraph 6:
When [redacted] was about 12 years of age
she told [redacted] and I that she wanted
to go down to a Yeshiva College in Sydney
to be with other Jewish kids and study
Judaism. At the time the Yeshiva College
was the only Jewish school down in Sydney
and our daughter [redacted] was already
studying there. [Redacted] made
arrangements with Rabbi Lesches for
[redacted] to board with a few families
while she did her studies.
[Redacted] went down to Sydney later in
1989. I think it was the last term of
school because [redacted] and I figured
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that if she didn't like it she would be

home for the summer holidays soon.
We always knew which families [redacted]
was boarding with and we would call every
night to see if he was all right. These
families included Rabbi Gourarie, Behar, Dr
Bloom, Dr Goldman, Rabbi Simons, Rabbi
Tuvel and Daniel Hayman.
Occasioning [I think it should be
occasionally] Rabbi Lesches would call our
place to let us know how [redacted] was
going. One particular night he called and
spoke to [redacted]. After [redacted] got
off the phone he said to me something like,
"[Redacted] has complained to Rabbi
Lesches. She told him that one night when
she was asleep on the couch, she was woken
up by Daniel Hayman stroking his hand up
and down her leg. Rabbi Lesches thinks she
has made it all up or dreamt it. He said
they will put her with another family just
in case."
Finally, a statement made similarly by the other parent,
document NSW.2021.001.0242. Rabbi, do you have a copy of
that statement in front of you? In any event, this
statement confirms the earlier statement we have just read
from one of the parents and this is in fact the statement
of the other parent, again redacted to protect the
witness's identify. Paragraph 6:
[Redacted] went down to study at
Yeshiva College -A.
Excuse me, I think I received the same statement
twice.
Q.
All right. Copies will be made available if they
haven't been already. In any event, this is a statement
made to police. If we could scroll down, please, to 6:
[Redacted] went down to study -This is the parent of the victim we first heard or read the
police statement:
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[Redacted] went down to study at Yeshiva

College when she was about 13 or 14 years
of age for her secondary schooling. It
wasn't the start of the year it was during
the year she started there. At the time we
thought it would be a good idea to send our
children to be with like-minded people and
network with people of the same faith as
where we lived there was a very small
Jewish community.
Arrangements were made for [redacted] to
board at various places. I made
arrangements for [redacted] to stay with
the [redacted] family but I'm not sure if
this was before or after she complained to
Rabbi Lesches.
Paragraph 8:
My contact in Sydney was Babi Lesches.
I assume that must be a mistake, but Rabbi Lesches:
I would make arrangements with him for
rabbinical students to come to Brisbane but
also speak to him about [redacted's]
boarding and schooling at Yeshiva College.
I would say that our relationship was close
and open and if there was anything personal
that needed to be discussed it would be
brought up.
One evening I received a call from Rabbi
Lesches. He said words to the effect of,
"[redacted has come to me and said that
Daniel Hayman had touched her through the
night. I think [redacted] might have
dreamt it or imagined it. She can't stay
there any longer as there is a doubt about
the propriety of it." Rabbi Lesches didn't
take sides by condemning Hayman or refusing
to believe what [redacted] had said.
It was my understanding that Rabbi Lesches
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responsibility for Hayman's behaviour in as

much as he would be publicly perceived to
often accompany the Yeshiva boys in their
endeavours.
The following day I found out from
[redacted] that [someone] helped her get
her things from Hayman's place and moved
her to his house.
And thereafter goes to describe the child's dislike of
Hayman. Having looked at the police statements of the
victim and both of her parents, do you accept that the
matters being complained of, Rabbi, are matters suggesting
sexual abuse by Daniel Hayman of a child?
A.
Yes.
Q.
Do you accept that on the basis of that information
Rabbi Boruch Lesches and an employee of the Yeshiva Centre
had information of child sexual abuse as a result of those
conversations?
A.
Yes.
Q.
A.
And that he should have informed you?

Yes.
Q.
A.
Did he ever inform you?

Not to the best of my recollection.
Q.
Do you accept also that those matters are matters
which should properly have been told to the police?
A.
Yes. May I just make a comment that Daniel Hayman in
his email wrote that if I would have been aware of the
information I would have taken strong action, and it could
very well be that the people did not tell me about these
things because they knew that I would take it very
seriously and take action.
Q.
Because you would accept, would you not, Rabbi, that
it is indeed grave that some students would complain about
being inappropriately touched by Daniel Hayman and then
some short time later the same rabbi places a young
12-year-old girl in his home?
A.
Extraordinary. However, to be fair to Rabbi Lesches,
these are questions that probably should be directed to
him. I can't speak on his behalf.
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Q.
No, but as the principal of the school and responsible
for the overall management of the institution they would be
matters, I expect, Rabbi, which would be of grave concern
to you?
A.
I agree.
Q.
Because indeed they happened under your watch, whether
you knew or not?
A.
I agree.
Q.
And the institution had a responsibility to the
students?
A.
Yes, it definitely did.
Q.
In answering a summons to produce to the Royal
Commission, searches were made to find any documents
relevant to the matters being examined here; isn't that
right?
A.
I suppose so, yes.
Q.
Do you know about the fact that the Royal Commission
issued summonses to produce documents?
A.
Yes, and I believe that we produced whatever documents
there were.
Q.
No material, no internal documents recording those
early complaints were produced by the Yeshiva Centre. Is
it fair to presume that no records, internal records, were
made of the complaints received by Rabbi Lesches?
A.
I am convinced that there were no written reports of
this matter.
Q.
Rabbi, I take it from your statement that Hayman was
generally well liked within the community by those who knew
him?
A.
Yes.
Q.
Rabbi, what can you tell me of your understanding of
grooming that might be done by a perpetrator or a
paedophile?
A.
Please be more specific.
Q.
Do you understand the concept of grooming by a
paedophile?
A.
Yes.
Q.
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for instance?
A.
I suppose those that he feels are vulnerable to his
advances.
Q.
Are you also aware that paedophiles engage in a
process of grooming those around the person who might be
vulnerable, like other teachers?
A.
Correct.
Q.
Have you yourself done any training or otherwise in
child sexual abuse matters?
A.
No formal training.
Q.
Have your teachers undergone any training in child
sexual abuse?
A.
Yes.
Q.
When did that start?
A.
Whenever the board of studies made that into a
requirement. I can't give you any dates on this.
Q.
Do you know whether rabbis who are trained at the
Yeshiva Gedola undertake any study or training in child
sexual abuse?
A.
No, they don't.
Q.
Do you think it would be helpful for rabbis to receive
some training so as to understand the nature and incidence
of child sexual abuse?
A.
I think that is a very good suggestion.
Q.
Do you think it would be helpful for rabbis to have
training so they could understand the effects or what to
look out for in terms of both behaviours of the perpetrator
and behaviours of the children who might be subject to
abuse?
A.
Absolutely.
Q.
You know that Daniel Hayman ultimately pleaded guilty
to an offence of indecent assault?
A.
Yes.
Q.
And then he was given a suspended sentence. At the
time Yeshiva Centre, did it issue any public notice
following his conviction?
A.
I'm sorry.
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Q.
All right. Let me take you to a statement. You know
that following the conviction and sentence of Hayman ORA
issued a public statement in relation to the conviction of
Daniel Hayman. I will call up document 163.
STAT.0449.001.0025. This was a media release. Just before
I take you to the media release, Rabbi -A.
I thought that you were referring to a media release
from Yeshiva.
Q.
Yes, I was. I was actually asking did you issue any
public statement at any stage following the conviction of
Daniel Hayman?
A.
I would have to ask my son whether he would recall
whether we did anything of that nature.
Q.
I will ask your son, but your answer is you don't
know?
A.
I don't recall.
Q.
All right. Thank you, Rabbi. The reason I ask is
this: eventually Daniel Hayman would plead guilty to an
assault that occurred at a Camp Gan Israel run by the
Yeshiva Centre; are you aware of that?
A.
Yes.
Q.
A.
Against a student of the Yeshiva Centre?

Yes.
Q.
You understand also,
there were other charges,
in relation to the events
the young student who was
A.
Yes.
or do you understand at the time

one of which was being considered
I have read out to you involving
placed with Daniel Hayman?
Q.
Do you understand that there was a legal process, a
particular principle which we will explore later, that led
eventually to that charge not being considered in the face
of the more serious charge to which he pleaded guilty?
A.
I don't know the details of that. I just saw the
press reports on that.
Q.
In any event, you understood that there were two
events, if not three, being considered by the police that
had arisen out of Hayman's connection with the Yeshiva
Centre?
A.
Correct.
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Q.
And that he was sentenced in 2014. You are also
aware, are you not, that before 2014 there had been some
concern amongst the Chabad community about the response,
proper response, that rabbis should make to charges or
allegations of child sexual abuse, weren't you?
A.
Yes, and we ourselves made some statements in that
regard.
Q.
I will take you to those statements. But in 2014,
following the charge and the sentence of Daniel Hayman, ORA
issued the following release:
Suspended sentence for Mr Daniel Hayman.
The Organisation of Rabbis of Australasia
(ORA) notes the outcome of the sentencing
of Mr Daniel Hayman, a former member of the
Sydney Jewish Community, for charges
associated with a sexual abuse of a minor.
ORA applauds the courage of victims who
have the strength to come forward to the
appropriate authorities and encourages
victims who are able to do so, as well as
those with information about
the perpetration of child sexual abuse, to
approach the police and child protection
authorities.
During this tumultuous and very difficult
time with an escalation of disclosures
about child sexual abuse it is important
for the community to be aware that it is a
criminal offence under the Judicial
Proceedings Reports Act 1958 (Vic) to
disclose the name of an individual who has
made a disclosure to the Police in relation
to being a victim of child sexual abuse.
As a community we must encourage reporting
of such crimes to police and ensure that
victims feel safe and not in any way
marginalised for taking the brave step to
disclose such personal, sensitive and
demoralising information to the police.
It goes on to say:
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As a community let us all resolve to steer

clear from spreading rumours and talking
about others in a derogatory manner and let
us work towards eradicating the scourge of
child sexual abuse and towards bringing
peace and harmony to our community and
beyond.
The position is, isn't it, that as far as you are aware you
don't know and we should speak to someone else about
whether or not Yeshiva Centre issued any public statement
following those charges?
A.
I don't recall.
Q.
And sentencing. You don't know. Rabbi, in the
charging of Daniel Hayman was it a matter of some conflict
for you, given that you knew him and had known him for some
time? Did you feel conflicted about guiding the response
at all of the Yeshiva Centre because of the fact that you
knew Daniel Hayman?
A.
We weren't a party to the proceedings. Why should
I feel conflicted?
Q.
I'm wondering: would you think, though, as the head of
the institution where abuse had occurred in connection with
the activities undertaken by Daniel Hayman with the
institution, and given what you were aware of in terms of
the debates that had been occurring in the community about
the proper response to these matters, did you think as the
head of the institution you could have sent a stronger
message to Chabad members applauding the victims or
supporting the victims who had come forward to complain
against Daniel Hayman?
A.
We provided, as I recall, a very strong statement
relating to all of these issues. I'm sure you would have a
record of it.
Q.
I will just locate that and come back. Just before
I do, Rabbi -A.
And indeed, in light of all the information that has
come forward, we have come up with another statement
relating to these issues.
Q.
And I am going to take you to that statement, Rabbi.
I will just get those statements. When you say the later
statement, do you mean the statement you prepared
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yesterday?
A.
Yes.
Q.
I will get to that and I will ask you to read that,
Rabbi. So rest assured we will get to that point.
Apologies, Your Honour, there is just a document I'm trying
to find. Do you believe, Rabbi, that you did issue a
statement in about 2013 following the charge of Daniel
Hayman, or is that a matter we should ask someone else?
A.
I don't know the exact date, I'm sorry. The statement
we issued to the general media, we issued it to the Jewish
newspapers, but I don't recall the exact date of that.
Q.
Are you referring to a statement issued by your son
Rabbi Yosef Feldman following the revelation of the email
correspondence or separately to that?
A.
No, separately to that.
Q.
Thank you. If anyone representing the Rabbi has that
document, I call for that document. As far as I am aware
it's not been produced or not part of the tender bundle and
I ask for this in court.
A.
The Jewish News would have it. Maybe we could ask the
journalist to provide it.
Q.
While that's being done, Rabbi, can you tell me, in
terms of the various activities that were being undertaken
by the Yeshiva Centre, did you have insurance for the
activities of the school?
A.
Yes, we always have insurance.
Q.
Was it the same insurance that insured the youth
activities?
A.
It was all comprehensive, to the best of my knowledge.
Q.
So all activities of the school, including the
activities, youth activities and religious programs, were
covered by insurance, and that was paid for by the Yeshiva
Centre - STCA or the various incorporated entities?
A.
As we have discussed, there have been changes over the
period of time. But in general terms it is my belief that
the legal entity that took out the insurance was STCA and
that covered the school, the college, the rabbinical
college, youth activities, et cetera, et cetera.
Q.
Are you able to assist us in answering this question
and then I will come back to deal with [AVL] and then we
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will get to your statement. Rabbis who propose students

who are intended to undertake rabbinical training, is there
any screening undertaken of those students?
A.
The students themselves generally speaking do not
apply. These students come after having concluded their
courses in other institutions and there is communication
between the person responsible for recruiting the students
here in Sydney with the heads of those institutions from
which the students will come from. So there are
recommendations as to who is suitable to become a student
in Sydney or who is not suitable to become a student.
I suppose the suitability incorporates both the
individual's academic standing and his behavioural
situation.
Q.
When you say you assume, does that mean there is no
identifiable document against which the characteristics or
suitabilities is judged?
A.
No, there is no identifiable document. It is all done
orally.
Q.
It just depends on what assessment some other
teacher -A.
Some other rabbi, some other dean. The dean of that
institution makes an assessment and then recommends the
student to us.
Q.
One aspect of that is the academic standing, but the
other is in terms of personal temperament or suitability?
A.
Correct.
Q.
You don't know that there is any official criteria for
the screening?
A.
No, no official criteria.
Q.
A.
So you do know there is no official criteria?

There is no objective criteria.
Q.
Thank you.
A.
It is subjective, on the basis of the assessment of
the dean.
Q.
We heard yesterday, Rabbi, some evidence that a
complaint had been received against the rabbinical student
[AVL], and I will come back to deal with [AVL], and that
student was ultimately able to later go on and be ordained
as a rabbi notwithstanding the complaint. The evidence we
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heard yesterday was that, if a complaint was received, that

that would not be recorded in any way or prevent ordination
at another time. Can I ask you further about that because,
leaving aside the Working with Children check, which would
depend upon employment or some formal relationship, if a
complaint is made against a rabbinical student and for
whatever reason people do not want to complain to police or
do not want to take their allegations to police, is some
record made against the potential student that might
prevent ordination as a rabbi? Does the complaint or
allegation of child sexual abuse prevent ordination as a
rabbi or not?
A.
I'm sure that this wouldn't only include child
sexuality, but it would include any type of misdoings or
behaviour that is not acceptable for a person who desires
to be a rabbi. So there is a character reference
situation, which is all inclusive.
Q.
Is that at the time the student is accepted, though?
A.
Being that there aren't any documents, as we have said
before, it is very loosely controlled.
Q.
So the character reference is in effect the nomination
that comes from the other dean or the principal. By them
putting them forward, you take that as a form of
recommendation by that -A.
That is correct, and then when it comes time for us to
give the ordination we have to be satisfied that the
individual is of a proper character, in addition to having
succeeded in his academic studies.
Q.
So now, coming back to that question, once you have
accepted the student, if you were to receive a complaint
against a rabbi or a rabbinical student in training
involving an allegation of child sexual abuse, how would
that be considered in the process of determining whether or
not to ordain the student as a rabbi?
A.
Very seriously.
Q.
Is there some formal document that articulates the
method by which that process is undertaken? Is there a
formal document that sets that out?
A.
I think I indicated before that there aren't any
formal documents. It was only the assessment of the
previous dean and the assessment of the present dean who
will then provide the ordination.
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Q.
I think enquiries are still being made, but let's go
back to your statement, please, and let's deal with, if
I can, parts of your evidence in which you came to know of
a complaint being made against a rabbinical student, [AVL].
Before we start that, you knew [AVL] before he came to
undertake his studies, did you?
A.
No, I personally did not know him, but he was
recommended by the dean of the institution that he had
attended previously.
Q.
It is only after he came to be accepted as a student
that you knew [AVL]?
A.
Correct.
Q.
Did you come to know [AVL] before becoming aware of
the complaint made against him?
A.
Definitely so.
Q.
In about 2002 or 2003, a parent made a complaint that
there had been inappropriate behaviour at a camp; is that
right? Is that right, Rabbi?
A.
Yes.
Q.
And that complaint was not made to you but to either
Rabbi Simons or Bill Conway, who was then the headmaster of
the school?
A.
Correct.
Q.
And was it the case that shortly after the complaint
being taken that someone had a conversation with you
informing you that a complaint had been made?
A.
Correct. If we want to speak about the timeline, it
would be more advantageous to look at the notes of Bill
Conway because he made notes at the time. With me it was
only a general recollection. So he notes day by day what
occurred, when the report was made, when the complaint was
made, how it was dealt with, et cetera, et cetera.
Q.
That brings me to my question to you, Rabbi, which is
in terms of the information being conveyed to you and the
meetings you had with either Bill Conway or [AVL] in fact
directly, you made no notes of those conversations?
A.
No.
Q.
Even though you would have understood at the time, in
2002 or 2003, that the complaint was serious; you
understood that, did you not, Rabbi?
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A.
It was already noted by Bill Conway. In other words,
the formal part of the reporting process was done by Bill
Conway. I was, as he points out himself, I was overall
responsible for the institution, but he was specifically
responsible for the behaviour of students and any
complaints and communicating with the relevant departments.
Q.
I understand that, that they were documented, and
I will take you to those documents. I just want to be
clear as to why you wouldn't have made records, for
instance, of actions taken by you where Bill Conway wasn't
present?
A.
There were no actions taken by me. Any actions would
have been shared with Bill Conway and Zeb Simons at the
time, who were the ones dealing with the parents and with
the department.
Q.
Aside from the dealings with the parents and the
department, you in fact at some stage, and we will come to
this, went and met with [AVL], didn't you, had a meeting
with [AVL]?
A.
Yes, [AVL] came to me for a meeting.
Q.
Yes?
A.
In my office together with my son, who is sitting
there, who was directly in charge of him and he said to us
that the complaints against him are false and he is totally
and completely innocent. So I said, "Well, that being the
case, I will be happy to set up a meeting with Bill Conway
and Zeb Simons tomorrow to discuss the issues," but at the
same time I notified him that we had already notified the
authorities and as a result of which he should be aware
that notwithstanding his protestations of innocence he can
no longer have any contact with children.
Q.
That meeting, and I will talk to you about that a
little bit further, that is precisely what I was asking you
about because that meeting between yourself, your son and
[AVL] did not involve Bill Conway. He was not present at
that meeting?
A.
Correct. This was a specific meeting relating to his
continued studies in the rabbinical college.
Q.
Following on from a complaint of child sexual abuse;
yes?
A.
Yes.
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Q.
So it was separate to the purposes for which Bill
Conway was recording complaints, which was to deal with the
fact that it involved a student in the Yeshiva school, the
Yeshiva College, so it was separate to that purpose?
A.
(Witness nods).
Q.
And my question is -A.
To discuss his further studies, to discuss whether we
will give him ordination, et cetera.
Q.
On the same day or the next day following a complaint
of child sexual abuse?
A.
Let's look at the notes. It was in close proximity to
it.
Q.
And coming back to that point, you didn't feel it
necessary to make any notes of your discussions with [AVL]
when the issue of the complaint and its consequences was
being discussed with [AVL]?
A.
You have lost me.
Q.
You meet with [AVL] to discuss issues relating to his
enrolment or continuing position within the Yeshiva Gedola?
A.
Correct.
Q.
It comes within a day or so - and we will look at the
timeline - of the complaints of the child sexual abuse;
yes?
A.
Correct.
Q.
You are meeting with him to discuss the consequences
of the complaint of child sexual abuse against him and
whether he could continue in his studies in the rabbinical
college; correct?
A.
Totally separate to any action relating to the school
and being told that he can no longer be involved in the
school.
Q.
And as a consequence of that meeting he tells you
something about what his position is in relation to the
offences complained of?
A.
Yes, he says that he's completely innocent.
Q.
We will come to the rest of the conversation. He says
other things in that conversation about what he proposes to
do, and you make no notes of that?
A.
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myself. I did not - the way - I did not keep a diary. The
only diary that I ever kept was of meetings, not of the
content of meetings.
Q.
If I can call up document tab 5, NPF.053.002.0507_E_R.
These are the notes made by Bill Conway and produced to the
Royal Commission. Rabbi, if I could ask you some
questions, please?
A.
Yes.
Q.
As far as your recollection, and then if you can't we
will go back to the notes. The process was that Bill
Conway or someone else contacted you to say that they had
received a complaint against [AVL]; correct?
A.
Correct.
Q.
And the substance of that complaint was that there had
been some inappropriate contact by [AVL] with a child at
camp; is that correct?
A.
Mmm-hmm.
Q.
A.
You do need to say "yes" or "no"?

Pardon me?
Q.
A.
You need to say "yes" or "no".

Please say it again then.
Is that correct?
Q.
And the substance of that complaint was that there had
been inappropriate contact by [AVL] with a child at camp?
A.
Correct.
Q.
You gave some instructions to Bill Conway to follow
certain procedures?
A.
Mmm-hmm.
Q.
A.
Is that correct?
Yes.
Q.
One of the things - if we can go to these notes - is
the following. On page 2, "Informed by mother. 23" -A.
504, yes.
Q.
That on 23 July at approximately 4.30 pm the mother of
the child reported to Bill Conway that her son had told her
of an incident that had occurred at camp the previous week.
Details of the incident were given in a meeting with ZS and
Bill Conway present. "Certain points were not clear" to
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the mother "which left the picture incomplete and

insufficient to conduct a risk assessment. The report was
obviously of a serious nature. She said her son was
wanting to speak to me and arrange an appointment."
What appears to occur next then, Rabbi, is that on
24 July 2002 at approximately midday a further meeting
occurs between the mother, the child and Mr Simons and he
reports details of the incident that occurred on 12 July of
that camp at Bowral where a number of boys had participated
with four to five counsellors. One thing of interest here,
the South Head Synagogue, is that part of the Yeshiva
Centre?
A.
No, it's not.
Q.
But [AVL], who was a student of the rabbinical
college, was attending the camp?
A.
Correct. The rabbinical students were assisting many
synagogues in their youth activities and youth programs and
this particular student was assisting the South Head
Synagogue in its camp.
Q.
Then the child goes on to describe the nature of the
touching and the assault that occurs. Bill Conway records
the following at the end:
[The child] was visibly nervous and
embarrassed when telling this last incident
however he freely spoke without prompting
by others and appeared comfortable.
On the same day, 24 July, at 1.45 pm, Bill Conway records
that he informed you of the report:
He [being you] advised that [AVL] be told
to not come to work until further notice.
He advised not to reveal details of the
allegation at this time and requested a
meeting with ZS and myself.
Does that accord with your recollection of what occurred?
A.
I'm afraid I don't really recall that detail.
Q.
There was then a meeting between [AVL] and Z Simons
and Bill Conway, it would appear, or at least [AVL] and ZS?
A.
Mmm-hmm.
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Q.
In which ZS told [AVL] that they had been informed of
an incident that required an investigation and asked that
he not return to work until further notice. What was the
"work"?
A.
His assistance as a teacher's aide.
Q.
So he was an assistant or a teacher's aide -A.
Yes, he was helping out at the school teaching
extension classes, things of this nature.
Q.
Then:
He was told there would be an investigation
of the matter that would involve him at
some point, but we were not prepared to
divulge the details of the situation at
this time. [AVL] said he thought he knew
what it might be about, but felt it wasn't
that "serious".
Attempt was made that day to inform DOCS and then on the
same day a call was placed to Mr Newcomb, who was involved
with the Independent Schools Association?
A.
Yes, Mr Newcomb was the executive director of the AIS.
Q.
A.
And he provided certain advice?

Mmm-hmm.
Q.
These notes appear to record that there was a meeting
at 2.30 pm on the following day, 25 July, at midday; do you
see that? "Confirm meeting for 2.30 pm"?
A.
Mmm-hmm.
Q.
A.
However, at 1.30 pm -Yes, that meeting I organised.
Q.
Yes.
A.
I organised that meeting. I confirmed it for 2.30,
and then subsequently I was looking for him and I was told
that he had left the country. As we see in these notes,
that I was informed by my son that he had vacated his room
and was gone.
Q.
So now
more detail
A.
"Rabbi
required by
you have had a chance to look at this in a bit

-Feldman told me to follow the procedures
law."
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Q.
In less than 48 hours from the time of a complaint
being made against [AVL], he has left the country; yes?
A.
That seems to be obvious, yes.
Q.
And since it would appear that the first time you are
informed of the complaint is at 1.45 pm on 24 July 2002,
your meeting with [AVL] and your son, Yosef Feldman,
occurred between 1.45 pm on 24 July and 1.30 pm on 25 July
by which time -A.
Correct. It must have been in the afternoon.
Q.
So most likely on the afternoon of the complaint first
being investigated or the second meeting with [AVL] and his
parent?
A.
(Witness nods).
Q.
Now, in that conversation, by the time of that meeting
you had already talked with Bill Conway and were aware that
a process would be followed by which the authorities would
be - the appropriate authorities being DOCS -A.
Absolutely.
Q.
A.
-- and various reports would then be made; yes?

Absolutely.
Q.
And you would have understood as a result of your
first conversation with Bill Conway that once those
processes were under way there was a likelihood that the
child would be interviewed by police or JIRT in relation to
the complaint?
A.
Yes.
Q.
I'm curious, Rabbi, because you meet with [AVL] at a
time when you are aware these processes are about to be
undertaken and in the course of that conversation he tells
you something, doesn't he, about what he's intending to do?
A.
No. The conversation was that I notified him that the
authorities were already notified, that the process has
begun. However, we on neither telling him to stay nor to
leave, it is not up to us, we are not the police, he should
understand that if he's going to leave we will not be able
to provide him with ordination, even if the charges are
found to be false. But, other than that, we are not in a
position to hold him back. This is exactly what I said to
him at the time. We are not in a position to hold him
back, but ordination is something that we will therefore
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not be able to give him if he does leave Sydney.

Q.
Now, that conversation arises because in the course of
discussing matters with [AVL] in that meeting he says
firstly that he denies the allegations, does he not?
A.
Yes. He says it wasn't serious. He said he's
innocent. Whatever.
Q.
You say, "Even so, there will be an investigation and
while that is under way you won't be able to continue your
work"?
A.
Correct.
Q.
He says to you, "Well, I might leave the country and
go back to America." Yes?
A.
That aspect of the conversation I do not recall.
There was a discussion as to whether he wants to leave or
he wants to stay, and I said to him, as I'm just repeating
myself, "We are not holding you back." We did not hold his
ticket, he held his own ticket and he made his own decision
as to what he wanted to do.
Q.
And you understood when the discussion arose about
whether he would stay or go that he was talking about the
possibility of him leaving the country?
A.
Absolutely.
Q.
So you would not disagree with the statement of your
son, Yosef Feldman, where he says in relation to that
conversation that [AVL] said that he might go back to
America?
A.
Yes. Fine.
Q.
So at the time, in the afternoon when you are aware
that serious complaint has been made against this
student -A.
Yes.
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-- the process is just to be commenced in terms of the
notification of the relevant authorities, and when you
raise it with him he says he might go back to America, you
know you can't stop him because he has his own ticket; do
you immediately then ring the police and say, "Complaint
has been made against someone of sexually abusing a child
and I believe he might leave the country"?
A.
I did not believe that I have that obligation.
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You understood, didn't you, Rabbi, that if he left the
country he could neither be interviewed nor charged if the
child wished to go to the police, don't you?
A.
He can be extradited. If the charges are found to be
correct, he can be extradited. I did not believe, and I do
not believe at the moment, that within the framework of my
role it is to be able to have to call the police to say,
"This student may leave." Now, if this is something that
I should have done, then this was an error of judgment.
Q.
Do you accept it was an error of judgment on your part
not to have informed any authority that a person against
whom you had just received a complaint of child sexual
abuse and who had told you they were planning to leave the
country, you failed to act to let anyone know? You didn't
notify DOCS. You didn't notify the police. You didn't
notify the Independent Association of Schools. You didn't
tell anyone information that might have led to that course
of action being prevented?
A.
That is correct. I did not act, I did not notify the
police that he said that he may be going. As I say, if
this was an error of judgment, then I apologise.
Q.
My question to you now is this: do you think it was an
error of judgment on your part?
A.
I suppose that it was.
Q.
What would you say to any suggestion that you didn't
report so as to facilitate or to allow him to take that
course of action, to leave the country?
A.
Are you asking the same question in a different way?
Q.
A.
No, I'm asking a different question.

What's the question?
Q.
The question is: what do you say to any suggestion
that you might not have told anyone about the information
you received from [AVL] so that you could allow him to take
that course, leave the country in the face of the
complaint?
A.
In retrospect I did not believe - I did not know that
there was any such obligation for us to do so and to hold
him back from leaving. That was not part of any protocol
that we were told about. If there would have been such a
protocol that I was aware of, this is something I would
have done.
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made
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But leaving aside protocol, Rabbi, I am asking you

a moral position as well what do you think about the
that a person against whom a complaint has been
-Who is claiming his total innocence.
Q.
A.
Quite often those accused of crimes do?

That's fine.
Q.
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But in any event -I'm just putting this into perspective.
Q.
And the process is about to unfold whereby authorities
are to be notified of that complaint, and that same person
says to you, "Well, I might leave the country," and you
don't tell anyone?
A.
As I said, I did not know that there was such a
protocol or responsibility to do so. If I would have known
that, I certainly would have followed that protocol.
Q.
Leaving aside the protocol, was my question to you.
What about morally, because the allegation did involve the
sexual abuse of a child? What do you think morally about
the fact that you had information that the person against
whom the complaint was made is stilling you that he might
leave the country?
A.
My thought process was that if it would be established
that he actually committed a crime the police would be able
to extradite him, if it would be established that that was
the case.
Q.
It causes you no moral concern that you didn't act to
notify anyone that a potential perpetrator was about to
leave the country because, if it had been proved, he could
have been extradited some other time?
A.
The point you are making has validity.
Q.
Rabbi, let me ask you a number of questions. We have
heard a lot of information about mesirah and various other
Halachic obligations in relation to reporting, and I don't
wish to explore them in great detail since then because you
have made a statement which I think you want to read as the
official Chabad position in New South Wales, and I would
invite you now, please, Rabbi, to read that statement?
A.
I would like to start by thanking God Almighty for the
blessing of living in this great country of Australia,
which is investing a large amount of resources, including
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this Royal Commission, in ensuring the safety of our

society as a place where the dignity of every human being
is upheld, including the most vulnerable such as children.
Although I have been unable to be here in the
courtroom for the entire proceedings due to circumstances
beyond my control, I have been closely following the
broadcast. It breaks my heart to hear of the suffering
that victims of abuse and their families have endured. No
one should ever have to suffer in any way, shape or form,
particularly children - the most treasured members of our
society and the ones who need our protection most.
Whilst the scourge of child abuse crosses all
boundaries of race and religion, it is a matter of extreme
concern for myself that such abuse occurred whilst children
were under the care of institutions associated with Chabad
in New South Wales. As head of Chabad in New South Wales
and on behalf of the entire movement I would like to say to
the victims: we are sorry that you suffered; it breaks my
heart personally and it breaks all of our hearts. We are
sorry that you continue to suffer from the ramifications of
how those experiences have affected your life, and we give
you our solemn commitment that absolutely everything in our
power is being done and will continue to be done to ensure
that others don't ever go through the same suffering.
One of the issues that a number of the victims have
referred to is the experience of being labelled a "moser" an informer. I feel your pain acutely, partially because
I myself have been at the receiving end of such accusations
myself. I would never purport to compare my experience
with your level of suffering, but I would like to express
empathy as someone who has also been disparagingly called a
"moser".
This is the first time that I am publicly sharing the
following incident, which occurred about 45 years ago in
approximately 1970, two years after I started my role as
dean and spiritual leader at Yeshiva in Sydney.
One of the students in our school was not presenting
well at school and it became very evident after some
enquiries by our staff that this child was subject to
severe domestic abuse at home, perpetrated by none other
than his own mother. The mother was called in to the
school for questioning and she started to act violently to
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the staff in an uncontrollable way. The situation was

drastic and I made the decision at the time, as principal
of the school, to call in the Bondi police who arrested her
and took her away in a paddy wagon. It was a very
heart-breaking scene to watch the mother being arrested -MR BARKER:
I'm sorry to interrupt, but there is a name
which I thought should be excluded.
MS GERACE:
Yes, thank you.
A.
The name has been redacted.
Thanks, Mr Barker.
A.
It was a very heart-breaking scene to watch the mother
being arrested and shouting at me from the paddy wagon,
"How can you dob me in to be arrested? Haven't I suffered
enough? I am a Holocaust survivor." The mother was
redacted; her son was redacted.
Although I had facilitated her arrest, I did not shirk
my pastoral care duties for her as an individual and member
of the community, so shortly afterwards I went down to
Bondi Police Station and made sure that she was being
provided kosher food in her cell and that she was getting
appropriate legal representation, as well as getting the
authorities to work with her, the family and the school to
come to a workable solution to the crisis.
A substantial number of the Yeshiva community members
at the time were Holocaust survivors, who were deathly
afraid of the authorities after what they themselves had
experienced by Nazi "police" as well as various European
police forces that had aligned themselves with Nazi policy.
To them it was sacrosanct that a Jew does not inform on
another Jew under any circumstances, regardless of the
justifiable reasons.
Despite having acted in the best interests of the
child, the family and the school community, I was roundly
criticised by members of my board of management for being a
"moser", an informer, by involving the authorities in this
case. Many of the board of management were themselves
Holocaust survivors. At a subsequent board meeting
I addressed this issue and explained to them that the
Halachic concept of mesirah, the prohibition relating to
informing on other Jews to the authorities, was in place
precisely because of oppressive regimes such as Nazi
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Germany and Communist Russia, where a Jew had no hope of

being treated fairly by the authorities. However, in
democratic Australia, where Jews have never been subject to
State-sponsored anti-Semitism, when it comes to protecting
our children against abuse mesirah prohibitions do not
apply.
The previously mentioned incident was unfortunately
neither rare nor unique. In my decades of leading Yeshiva
in Sydney, whenever such matters have arisen and
allegations of any form of abuse have come to my attention,
I have always counselled to involve the appropriate
government authorities. This has happened on a number of
occasions, including quite a few incidents where we called
the police ourselves, and to this day there are police
records of those instances.
This is also evident to this Royal Commission from the
only documented case where the Yeshiva school in Sydney was
informed of sexual misconduct by a teacher, in 2002.
I gave instructions at the time for all the relevant
government authorities to be notified and for the head of
studies in the school to consult closely with them as to
appropriate procedures and protocol.
May I say that after the student actually left Sydney
we then gave details of his family and any contact details
overseas if it was necessary to pursue it.
As recently as a couple of months ago Yeshiva received
an email from a member of the community alleging sexual
misconduct by another member of the community and we
responded that the complainant should report immediately to
the police with those allegations.
I have been accused of knowing about Daniel Hayman's
crimes and not doing anything about it. I can state here
categorically that this allegation is false and that my
consistent position throughout nearly five decades of
spiritual leadership of Yeshiva has always been to refer
cases of abuse to the appropriate authorities.
As I have said before, the Jewish community is not
immune to all of the social ills that affect society at
large. The evil behaviour of abusers leaves permanent
scars. Many of those who experience abuse and neglect
consequently suffer from a range of physical, mental and
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emotional illnesses. It is incumbent upon us as a

community to provide immediate and ongoing support for
these people to be able to have the best possible quality
of life despite their traumas.
Out of concern for the most vulnerable members of our
society, over 30 years ago the Yeshiva in Sydney
facilitated the establishment of the Jewish House Crisis
Centre, an institution dedicated to providing shelter and
support for all people in need, regardless of race,
religion, colour or creed. In fact, a large proportion of
recipients of their help are not of the Jewish faith.
Jewish House has grown over the years with a number of
facilities throughout Bondi and although it is now
independent of Yeshiva, it is still run by a Chabad rabbi
and inspired by our ethos.
About 10 years ago, Yeshiva in Sydney started a new
humanitarian project called "Our Big Kitchen", which has
become a massive operation distributing more than 50,000
meals annually to the needy, the destitute and the infirm.
I am proud to say that victims of abuse have told us that
they have found a measure of comfort and healing in getting
involved with Our Big Kitchen and working towards helping
people in need in an emotionally supportive environment.
In fact, one of the victims that testified before this
Commission was provided generous accommodation and training
by Yeshiva in Sydney in his teenage years, after he left
Melbourne. It has now been revealed that this was
following the abuse that he endured. Our support of him at
the time was not because he was abused, which we were not
aware of, but rather because he was a young man in need and
it is our duty to help all those who knock at our door.
The holiest day in the Jewish calendar is Yom Kippur,
the day of repentance, which is a fast day for the Jewish
people.
The following quote from the prophet Isaiah is read in
synagogues throughout the world on Yom Kippur in the
afternoon: "God Almighty says: This is the fast I want:
Unlock the chains of wickedness, untie the knots of
servitude. Let the oppressed go free, their bonds broken.
Share your bread with the hungry, and welcome the homeless
into your home. When you see the naked, clothe them. All
people are your kin: do not ignore them."
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This is the ethos of the Jewish people and this is the

ethos of the Chabad movement.
However, we are human beings not angels, and even the
most noble institutions are not immune to the perpetrators
of child abuse. I reiterate to the victims that we are
deeply sorry that you have suffered abuse and that the
Yeshiva Centre in New South Wales failed in protecting you.
We vow to do everything in our power both to protect the
children in our care and to support those who have
suffered.
I would like to now publicly state as not just a
position of Jewish law but the official policy of the
Chabad movement in New South Wales: the reporting of cases
of abuse to the authorities is not just "permitted" but an
"obligation", a holy obligation that will keep our children
safer and our communities healthier.
Q.
Thank you, Rabbi. Rabbi, as you state there and from
the information you have seen that had come to Rabbi
Lesches, it was not then and is not now ever, in response
to a complaint of child sexual abuse, sufficient for the
rabbi receiving that complaint to merely tell the alleged
perpetrator, "Don't do that again"?
A.
Definitely not.
Q.
Now, in terms of any complaint that someone wishes to
make, a member of the community should always feel free to
go directly to the police if they so choose?
A.
Definitely so.
Q.
Do you disavow any public comments ever made or any
discussion, even for Jewish legal discussion about the
concept, do you disavow any suggestion that a member of the
community must report to their rabbi before going to the
police?
A.
I have made my own position very, very clear.
Q.
It would help for the people hearing this to just have
you articulate it. Do you disavow any previous suggestion
made by anyone in Chabad New South Wales -A.
I disavow any such suggestion that this is a matter of
behaviour and this is a matter that one should behave in
that fashion. However, from an academic point of view,
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life. There is no question that the ruling is one that is

extremely clear and there is no question, no qualification
to this ruling.
Q.
Should we consider this statement a ruling, a
ruling as to -A.
As far as that goes. As far as that can be considered
a ruling, it is definitely a ruling, and this is definitely
whatever I would have advised people, have advised people
and will advise people whenever this matter arises.
Q.
Rabbi, taking that just a little bit further because
I'm not sure I understand, is it a ruling by you as to the
official position for Chabad in New South Wales that it is
a Halachic obligation for all complaints to be reported to
the police?
A.
100 per cent.
Q.
Now, can I understand this further. Secondly, there
is no obligation on any person to take a complaint to a
rabbi, for the rabbi to decide whether the complaint to
police should be made or what should be done in relation to
the complaint, is there?
A.
No.
Q.
Thirdly, victims of sexual abuse should always be able
to speak out about their abuse and seek for there to be
accountability both by the perpetrator or others who may
have failed to protect them without being subject to
ostracisation, shunning and bullying; do you agree with
that?
A.
Yes.
Q.
What mechanism, Rabbi, do you propose by which you can
ensure that other emissaries appointed by you understand
the effect of the ruling and statement that you have made
now as the official position of Chabad New South Wales?
A.
This statement will be circulated. In addition to
this statement being public, and this is now in front of
the Royal Commission exposed to whoever is watching this,
but this will be circulated to all of the members in New
South Wales.
Q.
Will you undertake to give consideration to putting in
place a formal document that encapsulates the position
articulated by you today and ensuring that it is both
circulated and adhered to by the emissaries appointed by
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you within New South Wales?

A.
I will definitely endeavour to the best of my ability
to do so as quickly as possible.
Q.
Would you also undertake to give consideration to the
formulation of a document which sets out criteria against
which the conduct of other emissaries may be judged when it
comes to assessing their response to child sexual abuse
within the communities of New South Wales?
A.
Yes.
Q.
And further, finally, Rabbi, child sexual abuse is so
heinous a crime it can never make a difference whether the
abuse occurs now or it occurred 25 years ago; isn't that
correct, Rabbi?
A.
Yes.
Q.
And that your position in relation to the official
response by yourself and those within Chabad New South
Wales remains precisely the same no matter when the abuse
occurred?
A.
Yes.
Q.
They are my questions, Your Honour, for the Rabbi.
The Rabbi is here and it may be that we need to go over to
tomorrow, because I note the time. It is 10 to 4.
A.
Can I have an adjournment?
Do you need a break, Rabbi? Yes,
of course. Rabbi Feldman was just indicating he needs a
short break and perhaps during that short break if you
could just get an assessment from your colleagues at the
Bar table, Ms Gerace, as to how much longer is required.
We will take a short break.
SHORT ADJOURNMENT
MS GERACE:
Thank you, Your Honour. I have made
enquiries. I have just a few more questions for the Rabbi
very shortly, and then we have about 10 minutes from my
colleagues. Are you okay to go on, Rabbi?
A.
Yes.
Q.
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Thank you very much.

Do I have an option?
Q.
Well, you could come back tomorrow.
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preference, Rabbi?
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Stay here?
Q.
I thought you might take that course. Rabbi,
following on from your apology this afternoon to those
affected by the decisions of Yeshiva Centre, may I ask the
following: should any of the victims wish to approach the
institution to receive some form of apology and redress
directly from the institution, should they feel free to
contact you?
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They certainly may. As a matter of fact, I believe
that in the public statement that we have made previously
we have called upon any victims to approach us.
Q.
We have heard about the pastoral work that's
undertaken by the Yeshiva Centre. Rabbi, will you make
available to victims who answer the call to come forward
such services as can be provided in the nature of pastoral
care where they have suffered child sexual abuse -A.
Absolutely.
Q.
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Through or in connection with the Yeshiva Centre?

Absolutely.
Q.
Finally, Rabbi, may I ask the following. Will you
consider providing to New York or reporting to New York on
the information that is being heard here in terms of both
the position taken by Chabad New South Wales, firstly, and,
secondly, in relation to the information that you have seen
in relation to Rabbi Lesches so that further consideration
can be given in that jurisdiction?
A.
Certainly so.
Thank you.
Ms Richards.
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MS RICHARDS:
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Rabbi, my name is Melinda Richards.
I'm appearing for Manny Waks and Zephaniah Waks in this
Commission. Can I just draw your attention back to
paragraph 16 of the supplementary statement that you just
read?
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Paragraph 16.
Q.
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Perhaps we could have that up on the screen as well?

Yes, yes.
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Q.
The victim you refer to in that paragraph, Rabbi,
that's my client, Manny Waks, is it not?
A.
Yes, it is.
Q.
The facts are these: Manny Waks was a student at
Yeshiva Gedola in Sydney on two occasions in 1992 and 1993?
A.
I would not know the exact times, I'm sorry.
Q.
A.
That was his evidence.

Pardon me?
You wouldn't contradict it?
Q.
That was his evidence.
would you?
A.
Not at all.
You wouldn't contradict it,
Q.
A.
You have to say "yes" or "no" for the transcript?

Definitely not.
Q.
His evidence or his instructions to me are that his
enrolment was arranged by his father, and the enrolment was
arranged directly with Rabbi Lesches?
A.
Yes, it was.
Q.
A.
You would accept that to be the case?

Yes, I'm sure that it was.
Q.
And on two occasions Manny Waks was asked to leave
Yeshiva Gedola or told to leave Yeshiva Gedola because of
his, in his words, "irreligious behaviour and clear
disinterest in religious studies"?
A.
I'm not sure that it is appropriate at the moment to
go through - I don't recall the exact details. I am sure
that Rabbi Lesches would, but I do not recall the exact
details but it was much beyond that because we had many
discussions regarding your client. I'm not sure that this
is the place for me to cast any aspersions upon anybody.
That's not my desire.
Q.
A.
He was asked to leave on two occasions?

He was a difficult student.
Q.
A.
And that was his own evidence?

Pardon me?
Q.
That was his own evidence, that he was a difficult
student and he was effectively expelled from the
institution twice?
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Once, and we took him back again, as he has read in
his evidence.
Q.
But it wasn't the case and it would be a wrong
impression to draw from that paragraph 16 that Manny Waks
showed up on your doorstep, knocked at your door seeking
help and you took him in?
A.
I can only speak about general impressions. This goes
back 25 years or 23 years. Rabbi Lesches was the one that
he dealt with directly and all I know is what Rabbi Lesches
reported to me at the time. I am sure that if we want
chapter and verse, Rabbi Lesches would be able to give it
to us, if he would so desire.
Q.
I'm sure the Commission would like to hear from Rabbi
Lesches if he were prepared to attend. But as far as you
can tell the Commission, Manny Waks attended Yeshiva Gedola
as arranged by his father?
A.
It may have been arranged by his father, but his I really do not want to speak badly. It was extremely
irregular. To enrol him in the Yeshiva at the time brought
difficulties. He was not part of the normal group,
grouping, and we made a very special effort to look after
him. That's all I can say.
Q.
All right. At the time, as you say, you did not know
that he had been sexually abused?
A.
Correct.
Q.
But that's been a matter of public knowledge since
July 2011, has it not?
A.
Yes.
Q.
And you would accept that as a victim of sexual abuse
Manny Waks remains a man in need of help?
A.
100 per cent.
Q.
And since that time, Rabbi, you have not made any
direct contact with him to offer your support, have you?
A.
I have not.
Q.
Nor have you used your considerable persuasive
authority within the Chabad movement to make a public
statement of support for him and his family, have you?
A.
The facts are that we have not made such a statement
and I am not going to explain as to why that hasn't taken
place, but the facts are the facts. The facts are that if
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that we would have been able to give, we would have done
so.
Q.
A.
When you say "who", to whom do you refer?

Pardon me?
Q.
To whom do you refer when you say "we"?
A.
As an organisation, either myself or my son, people
that are still involved with the organisation.
Q.
A.
Your son, Rabbi Yosef Feldman?

Either my son Rabbi Yosef or my son Rabbi Eli.
Q.
A.
Or your wife?
My wife wasn't involved with the Yeshiva Gedola.
Q.
No. You refer to your wife in your statement, do you
not?
A.
Pardon me?
Q.
You refer to your wife in your first statement, do you
not, Rabbi? If you just look briefly at that?
A.
Could you please refresh my memory?
Q.
A.
If you go to page 11 of your first statement, Rabbi?

11? Oh, right.
Q.
A.
You explain there the role of Rebbetzin Feldman?

Yes.
Q.
A.
She is your wife?

Yes.
Q.
A.
And her first name is Pnina?

Yes, correct.
Q.
So you agree that "we" meaning the institution and you
have identified yourself, two sons, rabbis involved with
the institution, and your wife Pnina Feldman has a role in
the institution as well, Yeshiva Sydney?
A.
At the moment she has no official role in the school,
no.
Q.
You agree that there's been no public expression of
support for Manny Waks and his family from any of you?
A.
Yes, and I again maintain that if we would have been
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assist hundreds of other people of all different types, he
would have received no less a helping hand and a good air
to do whatever we can to help.
Q.
It does not assist Manny Waks and his family, does
it -A.
Pardon me?
Q.
It does not assist Manny Waks and his family, does it,
to doubt whether he is a genuine victim and to describe him
as a phoney attention seeker?
A.
I have never done so.
Q.
A.
No, and you would condemn those words, would you not?
Pardon?
Q.
You would condemn those words?
A.
I have no reason to make that statement and
I certainly do not want to be in a position where I would
be saying something about comments that somebody else had
made, even if that somebody else would happen to be my
wife.
Q.
Or your son?
A.
Or my son. I'm responsible for my own position, for
my own views. I try my best. I try to share my views with
others. Those that want to accept it will accept it.
Those that don't want to accept it, thank God we are living
in a free country.
Q.
But you would agree that it does not assist a victim
of child sexual abuse for someone in a position of
authority as a spiritual leader in the Chabad movement to
openly doubt the genuineness of his account?
A.
I don't believe that there is anything gained by
throwing doubt publicly on anybody, on anybody that is a
victim that suffers from whatever it may be. Our role
should be those of being healers and supporters, not
condemners.
Q.
Thank you.
I have no further questions, Rabbi.

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Mr Strickland?
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MR BARKER:
Mr Barker.
No questions.
Mr Neil.
<EXAMINATION BY MR NEIL:
MR NEIL:
Q.
Thank you. My name is Ian Neil and
I appear for Rabbi Moshe Gutnick. Did you give attention
to the evidence that Rabbi Gutnick gave yesterday?
A.
To a large extent.
Q.
I wonder if I could just remind you of some passages
from his evidence and I want to ask you about those?
A.
I would have to be shown it.
Q.
No, I will read it to you.
please:
Listen to this statement,
There is no doubt at all mesirah has no

application whatsoever to instances of
child sex abuse.
In your opinion, is that statement halachically correct?
A.
Haven't I made it very clear?
Q.
A.
What's the answer to my question?

Yes.
Q.
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Without qualification?
No qualification.
Q.
Listen to this statement.
MR STRICKLAND:
if possible?
Could I just ask for the page reference,
MR NEIL:
That was from paragraph 8 of Rabbi Gutnick's
statement of 3 February 2015. Listen to this statement,
please. It's from transcript page 6269, line 47, to 6270,
line 2:
I believe it is an absolute religious
obligation to report any allegation of
child sexual abuse as quickly as possible
to the appropriate authorities and to
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suggest that there is some religious

obligation not to do so is an abomination.
In your opinion, is that statement halachically correct?
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Are you directing that question to myself?
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Thank you.
MS GERACE:
Thank you, Your Honour.

MS GERACE:
excused.
Nothing further?
Nothing arising.
If Rabbi Feldman could be

Thank you, Rabbi Feldman. Thank
you for your attendance at the Royal Commission and you are
otherwise excused.
<THEWITNESSWITHDREW
MS GERACE:
Your Honour and Commissioners, just before we
rise, if I could just undertake housekeeping of tendering
some material to put members of the Bar at ease. Could
I tender - there has been some wrangling about the tender
bundle, but the whole of the tender bundle is to be
tendered save for tabs 35, 100, 101, 109, 110, and if
I could do that as one tender.
So with the exception of those
named tabs, otherwise the tender bundle will be marked as
exhibit 22-23.
EXHIBIT #22-23 TENDER BUNDLE EXCEPT FOR TABS 35, 100, 101,
109 and 110
MS GERACE:
And I will arrange to have the bundles
updated. The four documents read out today through Rabbi
Feldman's evidence which are NSW.2021.001.0221,
NSW.2021.001.0225, NSW.2021.001.0239 and NSW.2021.001.0242,
being police statements of various victims and witnesses in
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single exhibit, Your Honour.
Yes, 22-24.
EXHIBIT #22-24 POLICE STATEMENTS NSW.2021.001.0221,

NSW.2021.001.0225, NSW.2021.001.0239 AND NSW.2021.001.0242
MS GERACE:
Thank you, Your Honour.

Thank you.
Otherwise tomorrow morning at 10.
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6339:18, 6348:41,
6364:16, 6387:17,
6392:28
answering [2] 6362:15, 6367:46
anti [1] - 6382:4
anti-Semitism [1] 6382:4
anyway [1] - 6355:39
apartment [4] 6350:43, 6355:44,
6356:20, 6357:33
apologies [1] - 6367:6
apologise [1] 6378:22
apology [2] - 6387:5,
6387:8
appeal [2] - 6320:18,
6323:7
appear [6] - 6340:2,
6355:23, 6374:45,
6375:29, 6376:6,
6392:10
appeared [1] 6374:30
appearing [2] 6329:12, 6387:39
applauding [1] 6366:32
applauds [1] 6365:21
application [2] 6329:37, 6392:22
apply [3] - 6324:38,
6368:5, 6382:6
appoint [5] - 6317:14,
6317:19, 6318:3,
6319:17, 6322:47
appointed [19] 6316:43, 6317:7,
6317:25, 6317:36,
6318:8, 6318:11,
6318:16, 6318:22,
6319:1, 6319:8,
6319:20, 6319:45,
6322:9, 6322:11,
6323:1, 6323:23,
6333:46, 6385:35,
6385:47
appointing [1] 6321:7
appointment [2] 6317:12, 6374:4
appreciated [2] 6343:17, 6346:22
approach [6] -
6319:36, 6324:13,
6348:20, 6365:27,
6387:7, 6387:13
approached [2] 6324:1, 6390:1
appropriate [9] 6352:40, 6365:23,
6376:21, 6381:25,
6382:12, 6382:24,
6382:41, 6388:31,
6392:47
appropriateness [1] 6321:30
arbitrated [1] - 6321:8
arbitration [2] 6321:3, 6322:16
areas [2] - 6347:4,
6384:47
arguments [1] 6319:12
arise [1] - 6320:40
arisen [2] - 6364:44,
6382:10
arises [3] - 6321:9,
6377:3, 6385:10
arising [2] - 6315:24,
6393:19
arm [6] - 6320:15,
6351:21, 6351:22,
6351:24, 6351:25,
6351:26
arose [1] - 6377:23
arrange [2] - 6374:4,
6393:43
arranged [5] 6350:47, 6388:20,
6388:21, 6389:18,
6389:19
arrangement [5] 6323:22, 6330:33,
6330:39, 6333:16,
6333:22
arrangements [11] 6327:43, 6327:44,
6328:10, 6329:36,
6332:4, 6350:20,
6350:40, 6358:41,
6360:13, 6360:15,
6360:26
arrest [1] - 6381:20
arrested [4] - 6381:3,
6381:5, 6381:15,
6381:16
arrived [1] - 6318:1
articulate [1] 6384:42
articulated [4] 6324:24, 6324:47,
6342:26, 6385:46
articulates [1] -
2
6369:40
ascertain [1] 6345:43
aside [6] - 6334:16,
6358:24, 6369:4,
6371:18, 6379:1,
6379:21
asleep [3] - 6356:47,
6357:26, 6359:19
aspect [2] - 6368:28,
6377:16
aspersions [1] 6388:36
assault [4] - 6340:22,
6363:40, 6364:22,
6374:24
assaulting [2] 6339:15
assessing [1] - 6386:8
assessment [7] 6368:22, 6368:25,
6368:40, 6369:44,
6369:45, 6374:2,
6386:32
assist [9] - 6331:23,
6331:30, 6333:18,
6333:37, 6367:46,
6391:2, 6391:6,
6391:10, 6391:32
assistance [3] 6375:5, 6390:1,
6391:1
assistant [2] 6335:17, 6375:7
Assisting [1] 6313:40
assisting [4] 6331:12, 6334:29,
6374:18, 6374:20
associate [1] 6338:38
associated [3] 6318:45, 6365:19,
6380:17
Association [2] 6326:3, 6375:23
association [1] 6378:17
assume [6] - 6316:8,
6321:8, 6321:20,
6324:34, 6360:24,
6368:16
assumed [1] - 6320:5
assured [2] - 6352:39,
6367:5
AT [2] - 6394:14,
6394:15
attached [1] - 6354:34
attempt [2] - 6343:27,
6375:21
attend [10] - 6326:40,

6326:41, 6334:19,
6335:39, 6336:46,
6336:47, 6350:15,
6350:18, 6353:38,
6389:16
attendance [1] 6393:23
attended [10] 6328:11, 6334:29,
6334:34, 6334:39,
6335:9, 6353:41,
6354:32, 6354:39,
6370:9, 6389:17
attending [6] 6326:34, 6335:10,
6335:16, 6344:21,
6353:44, 6374:17
attends [1] - 6331:34
attention [4] 6382:11, 6387:40,
6391:12, 6392:10
Australasia [1] 6365:15
Australia [8] - 6318:1,
6322:45, 6326:21,
6326:22, 6332:23,
6332:26, 6379:46,
6382:3
Australian [1] - 6355:8
authorities [18] 6365:23, 6365:28,
6371:32, 6376:20,
6376:21, 6376:39,
6377:40, 6379:13,
6381:26, 6381:31,
6381:41, 6381:46,
6382:2, 6382:13,
6382:22, 6382:41,
6384:17, 6392:47
authority [17] 6317:12, 6317:14,
6317:19, 6317:43,
6318:33, 6318:42,
6318:43, 6319:3,
6323:27, 6330:41,
6330:46, 6331:3,
6331:11, 6345:22,
6378:12, 6389:43,
6391:34
autonomous [1] 6318:25
available [3] 6320:27, 6359:40,
6387:17
AVB [10] - 6314:8,
6336:18, 6336:19,
6336:24, 6337:11,
6337:20, 6337:21,
6343:10, 6346:2,
.05/02/2015
6346:4
AVB] [1] - 6314:8
AVB]'s [1] - 6337:17
AVL [37] - 6315:6,
6315:11, 6315:26,
6315:29, 6315:42,
6316:14, 6316:18,
6367:47, 6368:45,
6370:5, 6370:12,
6370:15, 6370:41,
6371:20, 6371:21,
6371:22, 6371:39,
6372:17, 6372:19,
6372:22, 6373:14,
6373:18, 6373:29,
6374:16, 6374:35,
6374:44, 6374:45,
6375:1, 6375:17,
6376:3, 6376:8,
6376:14, 6376:34,
6377:4, 6377:30,
6378:38
AVL] [1] - 6370:4
AVL]'s [1] - 6315:25
aware [27] - 6325:4,
6337:13, 6337:23,
6339:39, 6346:3,
6349:3, 6349:22,
6349:24, 6349:29,
6356:34, 6357:26,
6361:33, 6363:5,
6364:23, 6365:2,
6365:33, 6366:10,
6366:28, 6367:20,
6370:15, 6371:32,
6376:19, 6376:35,
6377:34, 6378:45,
6383:33
B
Babi [1] - 6360:22
badly [1] - 6389:20
balances [8] 6319:29, 6320:10,
6320:12, 6320:33,
6320:35, 6320:36,
6322:23, 6323:6
Bar [5] - 6314:16,
6349:42, 6353:14,
6358:27, 6386:33
bar [1] - 6393:30
BARKER [4] 6348:16, 6348:45,
6381:7, 6392:3
Barker [2] - 6381:13,
6392:1
basis [3] - 6325:34,
6361:18, 6368:40
beard [2] - 6350:29,
6355:5
bearing [1] - 6314:30
became [5] - 6317:1,
6332:42, 6345:2,
6354:15, 6380:43
become [6] - 6321:2,
6349:15, 6349:21,
6368:10, 6368:11,
6383:20
becoming [2] 6348:22, 6370:15
bed [13] - 6350:42,
6350:45, 6351:1,
6351:2, 6351:6,
6351:13, 6351:23,
6351:47, 6357:13,
6357:20, 6357:22,
6357:28, 6357:32
bedroom [2] 6350:41, 6356:24
beginning [1] 6347:42
begun [1] - 6376:40
behalf [4] - 6343:21,
6345:36, 6361:46,
6380:19
Behar [1] - 6359:7
behave [2] - 6322:1,
6384:45
behaving [1] 6348:12
behaviour [10] 6319:26, 6336:27,
6342:1, 6361:1,
6369:15, 6370:20,
6371:5, 6382:45,
6384:45, 6388:29
behavioural [1] 6368:13
behaviours [3] 6322:10, 6363:34,
6363:35
behind [1] - 6326:45
beings [1] - 6384:5
belief [1] - 6367:41
believes [1] - 6320:16
best [15] - 6316:35,
6319:33, 6319:42,
6329:46, 6333:47,
6334:3, 6335:35,
6346:28, 6346:33,
6361:28, 6367:34,
6381:38, 6383:3,
6386:2, 6391:27
Beth [6] - 6324:14,
6324:28, 6324:39,
6354:9, 6354:10,
6354:13
better [1] - 6353:23
between [16] -
6316:17, 6322:32,
6325:18, 6326:46,
6335:43, 6336:11,
6336:18, 6336:19,
6345:17, 6354:13,
6356:6, 6368:7,
6371:38, 6374:8,
6374:44, 6376:9
beyond [5] - 6322:20,
6323:22, 6366:8,
6380:7, 6388:34
big [1] - 6383:19
Big [1] - 6383:24
Bill [25] - 6315:2,
6315:12, 6315:20,
6315:26, 6316:16,
6370:25, 6370:33,
6370:41, 6371:1,
6371:2, 6371:11,
6371:14, 6371:29,
6371:39, 6372:1,
6373:6, 6373:12,
6373:32, 6373:44,
6373:47, 6374:24,
6374:32, 6374:45,
6376:19, 6376:28
bit [10] - 6321:1,
6327:42, 6344:29,
6352:7, 6355:8,
6357:15, 6357:16,
6371:37, 6375:44,
6385:12
black [1] - 6350:29
blessing [3] 6318:13, 6318:22,
6379:46
Bloom [1] - 6359:8
board [12] - 6323:46,
6324:9, 6324:32,
6324:35, 6324:37,
6329:37, 6358:42,
6360:14, 6363:19,
6381:40, 6381:42,
6381:43
boarded [1] - 6354:45
boarding [2] - 6359:5,
6360:29
body [3] - 6320:18,
6351:22, 6357:6
Bondi [23] - 6317:3,
6325:17, 6325:18,
6325:42, 6326:1,
6328:32, 6329:40,
6329:43, 6330:3,
6330:34, 6330:42,
6331:18, 6331:20,
6331:40, 6336:33,
6350:16, 6352:14,
6354:27, 6357:41,
6381:3, 6381:23,
3
6383:14
bonds [1] - 6383:44
books [1] - 6356:42
bookshelf [1] 6356:31
booth [1] - 6357:40
born [1] - 6353:20
Boruch [1] - 6361:19
bound [1] - 6318:36
boundaries [1] 6380:15
Bowral [1] - 6374:10
boy [1] - 6353:8
boys [17] - 6327:8,
6327:9, 6327:12,
6335:34, 6336:2,
6339:16, 6339:25,
6339:28, 6340:1,
6341:6, 6341:32,
6341:38, 6342:29,
6347:45, 6352:8,
6361:3, 6374:10
brave [1] - 6365:43
bread [1] - 6383:45
break [6] - 6343:44,
6344:9, 6386:29,
6386:31, 6386:34
breaking [2] - 6381:5,
6381:14
breaks [3] - 6380:8,
6380:20, 6380:21
briefly [1] - 6390:23
bring [5] - 6334:1,
6337:34, 6340:7,
6342:2, 6346:24
bringing [1] - 6366:6
brings [1] - 6370:39
Brisbane [6] 6353:24, 6353:39,
6353:40, 6353:46,
6354:19, 6360:27
broad [1] - 6319:15
broadcast [1] - 6380:8
broken [1] - 6383:44
brother [3] - 6332:30,
6332:46, 6350:17
brothers [1] - 6356:40
brought [9] - 6315:38,
6344:40, 6349:4,
6349:43, 6350:6,
6353:13, 6360:33,
6389:21
build [2] - 6350:31,
6355:5
bullying [1] - 6385:30
bundle [4] - 6367:21,
6393:32, 6393:37
BUNDLE [1] - 6393:40
bundles [1] - 6393:43
business [2] - 6314:4,
6329:19
BY [3] - 6314:22,
6387:36, 6392:7
C
C0063 [1] - 6313:15
calendar [1] - 6383:36
calm [1] - 6347:5
camp [8] - 6331:34,
6370:20, 6373:19,
6373:29, 6373:45,
6374:10, 6374:17,
6374:21
Camp [1] - 6364:22
camping [1] - 6332:4
camps [20] - 6331:30,
6332:5, 6332:36,
6333:12, 6333:19,
6333:44, 6334:3,
6334:5, 6334:18,
6334:25, 6334:29,
6334:30, 6334:34,
6334:38, 6335:10,
6335:18, 6335:34,
6336:46, 6354:32,
6354:37
campus [1] - 6327:32
cannot [7] - 6319:34,
6325:9, 6326:30,
6335:45, 6351:4,
6351:41, 6352:8
capacity [1] - 6335:10
care [5] - 6354:41,
6380:17, 6381:21,
6384:11, 6387:19
case [13] - 6317:18,
6321:4, 6342:16,
6342:25, 6349:5,
6359:24, 6370:29,
6371:29, 6379:30,
6381:42, 6382:19,
6388:24, 6389:4
Case [1] - 6313:14
cases [2] - 6382:41,
6384:16
cast [1] - 6388:36
categorically [2] 6347:7, 6382:38
Catholic [1] - 6353:28
Caucasian [1] 6355:4
causes [1] - 6379:32
cautious [1] - 6352:47
ceased [2] - 6327:27,
6327:35
cell [1] - 6381:24
cent [2] - 6385:17,
6389:36
central [2] - 6319:47,
.05/02/2015
6320:14
Centre [55] - 6317:2,
6318:17, 6318:44,
6328:5, 6328:16,
6328:20, 6328:27,
6328:28, 6328:35,
6328:44, 6329:17,
6329:18, 6329:19,
6329:29, 6329:31,
6332:34, 6333:10,
6333:16, 6333:25,
6335:9, 6335:11,
6335:17, 6335:18,
6335:34, 6335:40,
6336:46, 6339:28,
6345:5, 6345:6,
6345:14, 6345:19,
6345:23, 6348:30,
6354:14, 6354:16,
6354:19, 6354:33,
6354:37, 6355:11,
6358:9, 6361:19,
6362:27, 6363:44,
6364:23, 6364:26,
6364:45, 6366:12,
6366:20, 6367:28,
6367:39, 6374:13,
6384:9, 6387:6,
6387:16, 6387:22
centre [4] - 6328:23,
6330:17, 6332:41,
6383:9
Centre's [1] - 6355:2
certain [12] - 6315:27,
6319:21, 6319:36,
6332:42, 6338:10,
6338:13, 6347:22,
6351:16, 6358:20,
6373:33, 6373:47,
6375:26
certainly [10] 6323:38, 6346:40,
6349:16, 6349:17,
6349:30, 6356:5,
6379:19, 6387:11,
6387:32, 6391:20
cetera [6] - 6323:28,
6367:44, 6370:37,
6372:9
Chabad [55] 6314:24, 6316:40,
6316:44, 6317:11,
6317:15, 6317:21,
6318:2, 6318:24,
6318:34, 6319:15,
6320:43, 6321:33,
6321:38, 6321:39,
6321:40, 6322:28,
6322:33, 6322:34,
6322:35, 6322:39,
6322:40, 6322:41,
6322:43, 6322:44,
6323:5, 6323:11,
6323:23, 6323:31,
6324:19, 6325:21,
6329:44, 6329:47,
6332:43, 6333:11,
6344:35, 6365:3,
6366:32, 6379:43,
6380:17, 6380:18,
6383:15, 6384:3,
6384:16, 6384:43,
6385:14, 6385:37,
6386:19, 6387:28,
6389:43, 6391:34
Chabad-Lubavitch [2]
- 6316:40, 6318:2
chains [1] - 6383:43
chance [2] - 6314:38,
6375:44
change [2] - 6315:18,
6327:15
changed [4] 6315:28, 6317:47,
6327:34, 6357:32
changes [4] 6314:42, 6315:23,
6327:27, 6367:40
changing [1] 6314:35
chapter [2] - 6325:6,
6389:12
character [3] 6369:16, 6369:23,
6369:29
characteristics [2] 6322:10, 6368:17
charge [5] - 6364:37,
6364:38, 6365:10,
6367:8, 6371:26
charged [2] - 6337:31,
6378:2
charges [6] - 6364:30,
6365:4, 6365:18,
6366:13, 6376:43,
6378:4
charging [1] - 6366:17
charitable [2] 6326:2, 6330:28
chasiddishe [1] 6346:40
chat [1] - 6346:32
check [5] - 6331:26,
6331:36, 6331:41,
6332:7, 6369:4
checks [8] - 6319:29,
6320:10, 6320:12,
6320:32, 6320:35,
6320:36, 6322:22,
6323:6
chief [2] - 6314:24,

6320:26
CHILD [1] - 6313:9
child [45] - 6337:32,
6349:12, 6349:27,
6355:30, 6361:15,
6361:20, 6363:11,
6363:14, 6363:23,
6363:29, 6365:5,
6365:26, 6365:27,
6365:32, 6365:38,
6366:6, 6369:11,
6369:13, 6369:35,
6371:44, 6372:12,
6372:27, 6372:32,
6373:18, 6373:29,
6373:44, 6374:8,
6374:23, 6374:27,
6376:30, 6377:44,
6378:3, 6378:13,
6379:23, 6380:14,
6380:44, 6381:39,
6384:7, 6384:24,
6386:8, 6386:12,
6387:19, 6391:33,
6392:23, 6392:46
child's [1] - 6361:11
children [22] - 6328:1,
6328:4, 6329:47,
6331:26, 6331:36,
6331:40, 6332:7,
6334:8, 6334:25,
6334:34, 6342:19,
6348:13, 6349:13,
6360:8, 6363:35,
6371:34, 6380:3,
6380:11, 6380:16,
6382:5, 6384:11,
6384:18
Children [1] - 6369:4
choose [1] - 6384:31
circles [1] - 6353:3
circulated [3] 6385:38, 6385:41,
6385:47
circumstances [2] 6380:6, 6381:35
claiming [1] - 6379:5
clarify [6] - 6314:28,
6316:37, 6342:46,
6343:14, 6346:17,
6348:46
classes [4] - 6332:42,
6333:1, 6336:47,
6375:9
clear [12] - 6346:46,
6347:17, 6347:18,
6347:25, 6349:25,
6366:3, 6371:10,
6373:47, 6384:39,
4
6385:2, 6388:29,
6392:26
clearly [1] - 6324:24
client [2] - 6388:2,
6388:35
client's [1] - 6348:17
close [2] - 6360:30,
6372:13
closely [3] - 6324:33,
6380:7, 6382:23
clothe [1] - 6383:46
co [1] - 6325:30
co-operated [1] 6325:30
Coate [1] - 6313:34
colleagues [3] 6337:4, 6386:32,
6386:41
college [17] - 6326:3,
6327:35, 6330:47,
6332:35, 6336:29,
6336:38, 6345:2,
6345:3, 6354:16,
6354:27, 6354:32,
6354:39, 6367:43,
6367:44, 6371:42,
6372:34, 6374:17
College [33] - 6326:4,
6326:8, 6326:10,
6326:17, 6327:7,
6327:9, 6327:17,
6327:22, 6327:28,
6327:32, 6327:34,
6327:37, 6329:39,
6329:43, 6330:3,
6330:34, 6330:42,
6330:43, 6331:18,
6331:20, 6331:40,
6344:15, 6344:21,
6352:13, 6354:35,
6354:40, 6358:35,
6358:37, 6359:35,
6360:3, 6360:29,
6372:4
collegial [1] - 6325:24
colour [1] - 6383:11
comfort [3] - 6324:9,
6324:37, 6383:23
comfortable [1] 6374:30
coming [10] - 6314:41,
6315:19, 6320:39,
6321:27, 6321:38,
6329:29, 6332:38,
6357:9, 6369:32,
6372:16
commence [1] 6320:28
commenced [2] 6327:43, 6377:39
commencing [1] 6340:9

comment [3] 6344:47, 6351:40,
6361:32
comments [3] 6332:14, 6384:34,
6391:21
COMMISSION [2] 6313:8, 6394:14
Commission [18] 6314:29, 6314:37,
6336:17, 6337:14,
6339:21, 6342:34,
6342:35, 6362:16,
6362:21, 6373:7,
6380:1, 6382:18,
6383:28, 6385:40,
6387:40, 6389:15,
6389:17, 6393:23
Commissioners [4] 6313:35, 6314:3,
6343:40, 6393:28
commitment [1] 6380:24
committed [1] 6379:28
communicating [1] 6371:6
communication [1] 6368:6
communist [1] 6382:1
communities [2] 6384:19, 6386:9
community [28] 6317:32, 6318:34,
6323:33, 6324:16,
6324:19, 6324:31,
6330:1, 6353:4,
6353:25, 6353:26,
6360:11, 6362:34,
6365:3, 6365:18,
6365:33, 6365:40,
6366:2, 6366:7,
6366:29, 6381:22,
6381:29, 6381:39,
6382:31, 6382:32,
6382:43, 6383:2,
6384:30, 6384:37
companies [1] 6326:19
company [2] - 6326:2,
6328:23
compare [1] - 6380:32
comparison [1] 6355:34
compel [1] - 6321:21
complain [4] 6323:47, 6361:40,
.05/02/2015
6366:33, 6369:7
complainant [1] 6382:33
complained [5] 6335:30, 6359:17,
6360:17, 6361:14,
6372:41
complaint [63] 6315:6, 6315:11,
6315:25, 6315:26,
6323:32, 6323:34,
6323:35, 6323:40,
6323:41, 6323:45,
6324:10, 6324:20,
6324:31, 6335:27,
6335:29, 6342:1,
6342:3, 6342:26,
6349:26, 6349:29,
6349:30, 6353:8,
6355:20, 6355:21,
6356:12, 6368:44,
6368:47, 6369:1,
6369:6, 6369:10,
6369:33, 6370:4,
6370:16, 6370:19,
6370:24, 6370:29,
6370:31, 6370:36,
6370:46, 6371:44,
6372:11, 6372:18,
6372:32, 6373:14,
6373:17, 6373:28,
6376:2, 6376:7,
6376:13, 6376:31,
6377:35, 6377:43,
6378:13, 6378:40,
6379:3, 6379:14,
6379:25, 6384:24,
6384:25, 6384:29,
6385:20, 6385:21,
6385:23
complaints [12] 6324:24, 6325:1,
6339:47, 6342:19,
6342:29, 6362:27,
6362:29, 6371:6,
6371:27, 6372:2,
6372:27, 6385:15
complete [1] 6330:22
completed [1] 6329:38
completely [6] 6343:36, 6356:24,
6356:29, 6357:36,
6371:28, 6372:42
comprehensive [2] 6328:3, 6367:34
concept [3] - 6362:43,
6381:45, 6384:36
concern [5] - 6362:3,
6365:3, 6379:32,
6380:16, 6383:6
concerning [1] 6325:8
concession [1] 6346:20
concluded [1] 6368:5
condemn [2] 6391:15, 6391:18
condemners [1] 6391:40
condemning [1] 6360:43
conduct [23] 6317:38, 6318:7,
6318:19, 6321:16,
6323:24, 6323:33,
6323:40, 6323:42,
6335:33, 6336:1,
6336:20, 6337:7,
6337:13, 6339:23,
6339:27, 6342:19,
6342:29, 6346:39,
6351:16, 6354:21,
6372:47, 6374:2,
6386:7
conducted [2] 6318:25, 6354:33
confessing [1] 6347:20
confession [5] 6343:1, 6343:16,
6346:41, 6347:18,
6347:19
confidentiality [1] 6349:46
confirm [2] - 6348:37,
6375:31
confirmed [1] 6375:38
confirms [1] - 6359:29
conflict [1] - 6366:17
conflicted [2] 6366:19, 6366:23
confusing [1] 6355:32
congregation [7] 6323:38, 6323:43,
6353:39, 6353:46,
6354:17, 6354:20,
6355:3
connection [4] 6342:2, 6364:44,
6366:26, 6387:22
consequence [2] 6354:35, 6372:39
consequences [3] 6347:26, 6372:18,
6372:31
consequently [1] 6382:47

consider [2] - 6385:5,
6387:26
considerable [1] 6389:42
consideration [3] 6385:44, 6386:5,
6387:30
considered [6] 6321:2, 6364:30,
6364:37, 6364:43,
6369:36, 6385:7
considering [1] 6346:35
consistent [2] 6343:28, 6382:39
consult [1] - 6382:23
contact [12] - 6339:24,
6342:39, 6343:7,
6345:1, 6345:40,
6360:22, 6371:34,
6373:18, 6373:29,
6382:27, 6387:10,
6389:39
contacted [4] 6342:45, 6345:43,
6345:47, 6373:13
content [2] - 6314:9,
6373:3
contents [1] - 6314:42
context [3] - 6321:45,
6341:26, 6347:16
continue [6] 6319:36, 6330:34,
6372:33, 6377:10,
6380:22, 6380:25
continued [2] 6329:24, 6371:42
continues [1] 6321:33
continuing [3] 6314:7, 6321:31,
6372:23
contradict [2] 6388:9, 6388:12
control [11] - 6317:37,
6317:41, 6318:7,
6318:10, 6318:18,
6321:15, 6322:44,
6323:24, 6328:24,
6345:23, 6380:7
controlled [2] 6330:29, 6369:21
conversation [46] 6334:10, 6336:3,
6336:7, 6337:9,
6337:21, 6337:22,
6337:25, 6337:26,
6337:27, 6338:3,
5
6338:8, 6338:11,
6339:31, 6340:3,
6340:31, 6341:23,
6341:26, 6341:44,
6342:47, 6343:9,
6343:15, 6346:2,
6346:3, 6346:19,
6346:29, 6346:35,
6346:44, 6346:45,
6346:46, 6347:1,
6347:6, 6347:12,
6352:5, 6352:22,
6356:4, 6357:45,
6370:30, 6372:44,
6372:45, 6376:18,
6376:28, 6376:36,
6376:38, 6377:3,
6377:16, 6377:30
conversations [7] 6336:17, 6336:19,
6340:6, 6342:41,
6356:5, 6361:21,
6370:42
conversion [4] 6353:21, 6353:33,
6354:7, 6354:12
converted [1] 6353:19
conveyed [1] 6370:40
conviction [4] 6363:45, 6364:2,
6364:3, 6364:11
convinced [1] 6362:30
Conway [24] - 6315:2,
6315:12, 6315:32,
6316:16, 6370:25,
6370:34, 6370:41,
6371:1, 6371:3,
6371:11, 6371:14,
6371:29, 6371:39,
6372:2, 6373:6,
6373:13, 6373:32,
6373:44, 6373:47,
6374:24, 6374:32,
6374:45, 6376:19,
6376:28
Conway's [3] 6315:20, 6315:27,
6315:30
copies [1] - 6359:40
copy [6] - 6315:38,
6316:1, 6343:8,
6345:47, 6350:8,
6359:27
corporate [2] 6327:36, 6329:17
correct [109] 6314:32, 6314:33,
6315:3, 6315:7,
6315:14, 6316:23,
6316:41, 6316:46,
6317:4, 6317:9,
6317:22, 6317:27,
6317:33, 6317:45,
6318:5, 6318:20,
6318:27, 6318:46,
6319:4, 6320:17,
6320:30, 6320:41,
6320:47, 6321:36,
6322:25, 6322:30,
6322:36, 6322:37,
6323:12, 6324:21,
6324:40, 6324:44,
6325:19, 6326:5,
6326:9, 6326:30,
6326:38, 6326:47,
6327:24, 6327:30,
6327:41, 6328:13,
6328:25, 6328:40,
6329:26, 6329:41,
6330:6, 6330:11,
6330:19, 6330:25,
6330:31, 6331:1,
6331:5, 6331:8,
6333:14, 6333:20,
6333:27, 6333:35,
6334:19, 6334:22,
6334:23, 6334:26,
6334:27, 6334:31,
6334:35, 6334:37,
6335:6, 6336:14,
6340:29, 6342:4,
6343:19, 6344:17,
6344:26, 6344:36,
6344:39, 6345:7,
6345:11, 6345:15,
6345:20, 6345:25,
6345:34, 6355:18,
6363:8, 6364:46,
6368:30, 6369:27,
6370:13, 6370:27,
6370:32, 6371:41,
6372:24, 6372:29,
6372:34, 6373:14,
6373:15, 6373:19,
6373:25, 6373:30,
6373:36, 6374:18,
6376:11, 6377:12,
6378:5, 6378:20,
6386:15, 6389:28,
6390:36, 6392:25,
6393:4
correspondence [1] 6367:16
cot [1] - 6355:31
couch [5] - 6350:46,
6356:28, 6357:3,
6357:16, 6359:19
Council [5] - 6324:13,
.05/02/2015
6324:27, 6324:42,
6324:46, 6325:12
Counsel [1] - 6313:40
counsel [1] - 6314:8
counselled [1] 6382:12
counselling [1] 6352:35
counsellor [1] 6333:46
counsellors [1] 6374:11
country [17] 6315:35, 6339:37,
6340:4, 6375:40,
6376:3, 6377:14,
6377:25, 6377:45,
6378:2, 6378:15,
6378:30, 6378:39,
6379:15, 6379:26,
6379:34, 6379:46,
6391:30
County [1] - 6313:19
couple [1] - 6382:30
courage [2] - 6357:21,
6365:21
course [9] - 6314:9,
6315:19, 6376:36,
6377:3, 6378:18,
6378:30, 6378:39,
6386:30, 6387:4
courses [1] - 6368:6
Court [4] - 6313:19,
6325:27, 6325:28
court [5] - 6314:41,
6315:19, 6324:39,
6354:11, 6367:22
courtroom [1] 6380:6
covered [2] - 6367:38,
6367:43
creed [1] - 6383:11
crime [2] - 6379:28,
6386:13
crimes [3] - 6365:41,
6379:7, 6382:37
criminal [3] - 6349:3,
6349:16, 6365:34
crisis [2] - 6381:27,
6383:8
criteria [7] - 6321:43,
6322:10, 6368:32,
6368:34, 6368:36,
6368:37, 6386:6
criticised [1] 6381:40
crosses [1] - 6380:14
crying [3] - 6357:34,
6357:46, 6358:14
curious [1] - 6376:34
curricula [1] - 6332:41

curtains [1] - 6356:20
D
dad [2] - 6358:20,
6358:22
Daniel [83] - 6332:10,
6332:15, 6332:17,
6332:33, 6332:39,
6334:43, 6335:16,
6335:30, 6335:33,
6335:37, 6335:38,
6336:5, 6336:24,
6336:26, 6336:37,
6337:11, 6337:20,
6337:24, 6337:27,
6337:30, 6337:31,
6337:41, 6339:24,
6339:31, 6340:1,
6340:3, 6340:5,
6341:37, 6342:39,
6342:45, 6343:7,
6343:13, 6345:30,
6345:33, 6345:37,
6345:47, 6346:3,
6346:8, 6346:15,
6347:11, 6347:43,
6349:12, 6349:27,
6354:46, 6355:1,
6355:3, 6355:15,
6355:21, 6355:36,
6355:40, 6356:6,
6356:15, 6356:23,
6357:2, 6357:11,
6357:14, 6357:18,
6357:24, 6357:25,
6357:27, 6357:28,
6359:9, 6359:20,
6360:38, 6361:15,
6361:32, 6361:41,
6363:39, 6364:4,
6364:12, 6364:21,
6364:32, 6365:10,
6365:13, 6365:17,
6366:17, 6366:21,
6366:27, 6366:34,
6367:8, 6382:36,
6394:1
dark [4] - 6355:5,
6355:7, 6356:20,
6357:8
date [9] - 6314:17,
6314:30, 6314:35,
6316:44, 6317:18,
6318:15, 6334:38,
6367:10, 6367:12
dated [3] - 6314:17,
6314:31, 6314:37
dates [1] - 6363:20
daughter [1] - 6358:39

day-to-day [1] 6326:33
deal [11] - 6315:5,
6315:10, 6321:22,
6330:8, 6334:7,
6348:5, 6352:31,
6367:47, 6368:45,
6370:2, 6372:2
dealing [1] - 6371:15
dealings [1] - 6371:18
deals [1] - 6324:15
dealt [13] - 6315:9,
6316:35, 6323:34,
6323:35, 6324:5,
6324:25, 6324:38,
6342:7, 6342:10,
6342:12, 6348:4,
6370:37, 6389:10
dean [22] - 6327:18,
6327:19, 6327:21,
6330:43, 6336:13,
6336:28, 6341:46,
6342:6, 6342:8,
6342:27, 6344:10,
6345:2, 6345:10,
6345:18, 6368:24,
6368:41, 6369:24,
6369:45, 6370:8,
6380:40
dear [1] - 6345:29
deathly [1] - 6381:30
debates [1] - 6366:29
decades [2] - 6382:9,
6382:39
deceased [1] 6332:24
December [1] - 6355:1
decide [1] - 6385:21
decided [4] - 6327:47,
6332:45, 6332:46,
6354:38
deciding [1] - 6321:28
decision [3] - 6321:9,
6377:20, 6381:2
decisions [1] - 6387:6
decline [1] - 6340:40
dedicated [1] - 6383:9
deeply [1] - 6384:8
definitely [12] 6335:29, 6337:44,
6339:29, 6353:11,
6362:13, 6370:17,
6384:27, 6384:32,
6385:8, 6386:2,
6388:17
delist [7] - 6319:28,
6319:44, 6320:28,
6321:29, 6322:22,
6323:2, 6323:5
6
delisted [8] - 6319:36,

6319:38, 6320:11,
6320:17, 6320:46,
6323:10, 6323:18,
6323:23
delisting [7] 6320:19, 6320:20,
6320:22, 6320:36,
6320:37, 6321:35,
6322:16
delivery [1] - 6333:43
democratic [1] 6382:3
demoralising [1] 6365:45
denies [1] - 6377:5
deny [1] - 6347:7
department [3] 6348:4, 6371:16,
6371:19
departments [2] 6348:4, 6371:6
derogatory [1] 6366:4
describe [4] 6351:16, 6361:11,
6374:23, 6391:11
described [4] 6339:24, 6339:27,
6355:19, 6355:22
describes [2] 6351:29, 6357:31
description [2] 6355:47, 6356:36
desire [2] - 6388:37,
6389:13
desired [1] - 6328:7
desires [2] - 6321:2,
6369:15
despite [2] - 6381:38,
6383:4
destitute [1] - 6383:21
detail [4] - 6350:35,
6374:42, 6375:45,
6379:41
details [18] - 6319:34,
6325:9, 6340:15,
6341:10, 6341:44,
6343:1, 6343:16,
6346:20, 6346:46,
6364:39, 6373:46,
6374:9, 6374:37,
6375:16, 6382:27,
6388:32, 6388:34
determination [1] 6321:32
determining [2] 6321:34, 6369:36
development [2] 6354:30, 6356:8
diary [2] - 6373:1,

6373:2
difference [2] 6315:13, 6386:13
different [12] 6314:46, 6320:2,
6323:30, 6325:8,
6326:42, 6326:46,
6327:33, 6332:39,
6338:28, 6378:31,
6378:33, 6391:2
difficult [3] - 6365:30,
6388:40, 6388:45
difficulties [2] 6314:5, 6389:22
dignity [1] - 6380:2
Din [6] - 6324:14,
6324:28, 6324:39,
6354:10, 6354:14
direct [3] - 6317:37,
6345:23, 6389:39
directed [1] - 6361:45
directing [1] - 6393:5
direction [1] - 6357:22
directly [8] - 6329:11,
6357:5, 6370:42,
6371:26, 6384:31,
6387:9, 6388:21,
6389:10
director [5] - 6329:27,
6334:5, 6334:10,
6375:24
disagree [1] - 6377:28
disavow [4] - 6384:34,
6384:36, 6384:42,
6384:44
discipline [3] 6319:7, 6319:11,
6319:19
disclose [2] - 6365:36,
6365:44
disclosure [1] 6365:37
disclosures [1] 6365:31
discovered [1] 6352:43
discuss [10] 6315:33, 6336:19,
6337:5, 6353:4,
6353:29, 6371:30,
6372:8, 6372:22,
6372:31
discussed [9] 6314:8, 6337:4,
6347:20, 6348:7,
6353:21, 6360:32,
6367:40, 6372:19,
6384:47
discussing [1] -
.05/02/2015
6377:4
discussion [10] 6323:27, 6341:43,
6343:22, 6343:33,
6343:35, 6347:26,
6377:17, 6377:23,
6384:35
discussions [4] 6325:8, 6331:12,
6372:17, 6388:35
disinterest [1] 6388:30
dislike [1] - 6361:11
disparagingly [1] 6380:34
dispute [3] - 6321:9,
6322:28, 6324:38
disputes [1] - 6321:4
distribute [1] 6314:15
distributed [3] 6314:17, 6353:14,
6358:26
distributing [1] 6383:20
divulge [1] - 6375:16
dob [1] - 6381:16
DOCS [3] - 6375:21,
6376:21, 6378:16
document [38] 6320:43, 6321:39,
6321:40, 6321:42,
6321:46, 6322:2,
6322:4, 6322:8,
6322:15, 6322:17,
6322:18, 6337:34,
6337:35, 6340:7,
6343:26, 6347:32,
6347:34, 6347:37,
6347:40, 6349:43,
6353:13, 6358:25,
6359:27, 6364:4,
6367:6, 6367:20,
6368:17, 6368:19,
6369:40, 6369:42,
6373:5, 6385:45,
6386:6
documentation [2] 6333:23, 6334:39
documented [3] 6324:23, 6371:8,
6382:19
documents [10] 6342:18, 6349:41,
6362:16, 6362:22,
6362:23, 6362:26,
6369:20, 6369:44,
6371:9, 6393:44
domestic [1] 6380:45
done [23] - 6315:14,

6315:25, 6319:30,
6319:32, 6321:17,
6338:45, 6339:2,
6339:4, 6339:9,
6352:9, 6352:38,
6362:39, 6363:10,
6367:26, 6368:19,
6371:2, 6378:9,
6378:46, 6380:25,
6385:22, 6390:2,
6391:13
door [3] - 6357:34,
6383:34, 6389:6
door) [1] - 6357:2
doorstep [1] - 6389:6
doubt [7] - 6349:3,
6349:4, 6360:41,
6391:11, 6391:35,
6391:37, 6392:21
Dover [1] - 6327:32
Dovid [1] - 6330:41
down [14] - 6345:28,
6346:25, 6347:5,
6347:41, 6351:38,
6358:35, 6358:38,
6358:45, 6359:21,
6359:34, 6359:42,
6359:44, 6360:2,
6381:22
Dr [2] - 6359:7, 6359:8
drastic [1] - 6381:2
draw [2] - 6387:40,
6389:5
drawn [2] - 6329:5,
6356:21
dreamt [2] - 6359:22,
6360:40
due [1] - 6380:6
during [8] - 6335:41,
6344:46, 6351:43,
6352:4, 6354:31,
6360:5, 6365:30,
6386:31
duties [1] - 6381:21
duty [1] - 6383:34
E
early [4] - 6327:38,
6350:26, 6355:4,
6362:27
ease [1] - 6393:30
educated [2] 6346:34, 6347:13
education [10] 6327:46, 6328:11,
6328:12, 6328:15,
6328:42, 6328:43,
6328:45, 6328:47,
6329:44, 6331:25
effect [4] - 6352:30,
6360:36, 6369:23,
6385:36
effectively [1] 6388:46
effects [1] - 6363:33
effort [1] - 6389:23
either [12] - 6314:42,
6316:26, 6321:24,
6324:13, 6325:35,
6327:36, 6342:27,
6345:13, 6370:24,
6370:41, 6390:9,
6390:13
elected [2] - 6350:46,
6351:46
elevate [2] - 6322:28,
6324:10
Eli [8] - 6342:39,
6342:45, 6343:6,
6343:14, 6345:29,
6345:36, 6345:40,
6390:13
email [11] - 6343:8,
6344:7, 6345:27,
6345:28, 6345:37,
6346:25, 6346:47,
6347:10, 6361:33,
6367:15, 6382:31
emailed [2] - 6343:7,
6345:36
embarrassed [3] 6351:33, 6351:44,
6374:28
emissaries [20] 6317:13, 6317:14,
6317:19, 6318:3,
6318:8, 6318:12,
6320:1, 6320:5,
6320:6, 6321:13,
6321:25, 6321:41,
6322:9, 6322:11,
6322:44, 6323:25,
6323:39, 6385:35,
6385:47, 6386:7
emissary [40] 6316:40, 6317:7,
6317:11, 6317:19,
6317:25, 6317:36,
6317:38, 6318:2,
6318:16, 6318:22,
6318:26, 6318:29,
6318:43, 6319:8,
6319:16, 6319:18,
6319:44, 6320:26,
6320:27, 6321:2,
6321:7, 6321:21,
6321:31, 6321:32,
6321:35, 6321:43,
7
6322:1, 6322:27,
6323:1, 6323:5,
6323:6, 6323:10,
6323:11, 6323:18,
6323:22, 6323:44,
6324:3, 6324:32,
6327:16
emotional [1] - 6383:1
emotionally [1] 6383:25
empathy [1] - 6380:34
employ [3] - 6318:11,
6318:17, 6318:36
employed [4] 6318:44, 6332:1,
6344:40, 6345:13
employee [8] - 6345:6,
6345:19, 6345:24,
6348:1, 6348:29,
6349:28, 6361:19
employees [1] 6348:3
employer/employee
[1] - 6318:37
employment [1] 6369:5
encapsulates [1] 6385:45
encourage [1] 6365:40
encouraged [2] 6317:6, 6324:1
encourages [1] 6365:23
end [8] - 6327:16,
6327:22, 6327:26,
6327:28, 6327:37,
6348:21, 6374:25,
6380:31
endeavour [1] 6386:2
endeavours [1] 6361:4
endured [2] - 6380:9,
6383:31
engage [2] - 6332:38,
6363:5
enjoyable [1] 6354:36
enquiries [4] - 6322:7,
6370:1, 6380:44,
6386:39
enrol [2] - 6354:38,
6389:21
enrolment [3] 6372:23, 6388:20
ensure [4] - 6321:20,
6365:41, 6380:25,
6385:35
ensuring [2] - 6380:1,
6385:46
enter [1] - 6357:28
entire [2] - 6380:6,
6380:19
entities [6] - 6326:3,
6326:9, 6326:16,
6326:26, 6327:36,
6367:39
entitled [1] - 6318:38
entity [9] - 6326:23,
6326:24, 6326:25,
6327:6, 6327:47,
6329:17, 6329:39,
6330:13, 6367:42
environment [1] 6383:25
eradicating [1] 6366:5
erect [1] - 6357:8
error [4] - 6378:9,
6378:11, 6378:22,
6378:25
escalation [1] 6365:31
establish [1] 6345:43
established [2] 6379:27, 6379:29
establishing [1] 6318:12
establishment [1] 6383:8
et [6] - 6323:28,
6367:44, 6370:37,
6372:9
ethos [10] - 6317:15,
6317:20, 6321:33,
6321:38, 6321:40,
6324:5, 6332:45,
6383:16, 6384:2,
6384:3
European [1] 6381:32
evening [1] - 6360:35
event [9] - 6315:10,
6321:9, 6321:16,
6322:20, 6333:10,
6359:28, 6359:41,
6364:42, 6379:10
events [10] - 6314:46,
6342:16, 6344:33,
6355:18, 6355:22,
6356:36, 6357:31,
6358:24, 6364:31,
6364:43
eventually [3] 6337:31, 6364:21,
6364:37
evidence [30] 6314:7, 6317:24,
.05/02/2015
6317:35, 6318:42,
6320:41, 6325:25,
6325:26, 6326:34,
6328:10, 6331:29,
6337:41, 6339:21,
6340:2, 6344:14,
6348:17, 6353:7,
6355:18, 6368:43,
6368:47, 6370:3,
6388:9, 6388:12,
6388:19, 6388:42,
6388:45, 6389:2,
6392:11, 6392:15,
6393:45
evident [2] - 6380:43,
6382:18
evil [1] - 6382:45
exact [6] - 6351:41,
6367:10, 6367:12,
6388:7, 6388:32,
6388:33
exactly [8] - 6323:2,
6323:8, 6335:45,
6337:45, 6338:34,
6339:8, 6340:11,
6376:45
EXAMINATION [3] 6314:22, 6387:36,
6392:7
examine [1] - 6321:42
examined [3] 6321:17, 6339:21,
6362:17
EXCEPT [1] - 6393:40
exception [1] 6393:36
excluded [1] - 6381:8
excuse [3] - 6335:12,
6350:4, 6359:37
excused [2] - 6393:20,
6393:24
executive [1] 6375:24
exercise [7] - 6317:30,
6318:7, 6318:10,
6318:18, 6322:43,
6323:24, 6323:27
exercised [3] 6319:22, 6319:24,
6321:15
exhibit [2] - 6393:38,
6394:2
EXHIBIT [3] - 6316:33,
6393:40, 6394:6
exist [3] - 6321:44,
6323:6, 6334:38
existed [1] - 6328:35
exists [2] - 6320:43,
6343:28
expect [5] - 6322:1,
6322:11, 6341:47,
6342:7, 6362:3
expected [3] 6321:41, 6348:40,
6349:33
expelled [1] - 6388:46
experience [3] 6380:29, 6380:32,
6382:46
experienced [1] 6381:32
experiences [2] 6354:37, 6380:23
explain [3] - 6327:41,
6389:46, 6390:29
explained [2] 6322:47, 6381:44
explore [6] - 6321:27,
6333:8, 6348:42,
6349:24, 6364:36,
6379:41
explored [1] - 6348:27
exploring [1] 6348:33
exposed [1] - 6385:40
express [1] - 6380:33
expression [1] 6390:45
extension [1] - 6375:9
extent [2] - 6328:2,
6392:12
extra [1] - 6332:41
extradite [1] - 6379:29
extradited [3] 6378:4, 6378:5,
6379:35
extraordinary [1] 6361:44
extreme [1] - 6380:15
extremely [3] 6343:35, 6385:2,
6389:20
eyes [3] - 6355:6,
6356:30, 6356:32
F
face [3] - 6357:1,
6364:37, 6378:39
faced [1] - 6357:24
facilitate [3] 6328:47, 6329:1,
6378:29
facilitated [4] 6328:44, 6329:30,
6381:20, 6383:8
facilities [1] - 6383:14
facility [1] - 6328:35
facing [1] - 6351:11
fact [19] - 6321:28,
6327:18, 6337:21,
6337:23, 6344:20,
6344:38, 6347:1,
6347:5, 6359:30,
6362:21, 6366:20,
6370:41, 6371:19,
6372:3, 6379:3,
6379:24, 6383:11,
6383:27, 6387:11
factor [1] - 6321:34
facts [5] - 6388:5,
6389:45, 6389:47
failed [3] - 6378:15,
6384:9, 6385:29
fair [2] - 6361:44,
6362:28
fairly [3] - 6350:38,
6355:29, 6382:2
faith [5] - 6353:44,
6354:12, 6354:31,
6360:9, 6383:12
false [3] - 6371:27,
6376:44, 6382:38
familiar [3] - 6330:17,
6349:15, 6349:21
familiarity [1] 6349:19
families [4] - 6358:42,
6359:4, 6359:7,
6380:9
family [19] - 6332:17,
6332:18, 6332:29,
6332:43, 6332:44,
6353:23, 6353:24,
6355:32, 6359:23,
6360:16, 6381:26,
6381:39, 6382:27,
6389:44, 6390:46,
6391:6, 6391:10
far [8] - 6325:4,
6357:16, 6366:10,
6367:20, 6373:11,
6385:7, 6389:16
fashion [3] - 6323:26,
6325:40, 6384:46
fast [2] - 6383:37,
6383:42
father [12] - 6343:15,
6346:19, 6346:29,
6346:30, 6347:22,
6353:22, 6353:27,
6354:41, 6356:41,
6388:20, 6389:18,
6389:19
February [6] 6313:26, 6314:18,
6314:31, 6314:36,
6392:40
FEBRUARY [1] 6394:15
8
FELDMAN [3] 6314:20, 6316:33,

6344:3
Feldman [24] - 6314:6,
6314:7, 6314:11,
6314:15, 6314:16,
6315:47, 6341:9,
6341:15, 6341:17,
6342:39, 6342:45,
6343:7, 6343:43,
6348:39, 6367:15,
6375:46, 6376:8,
6377:29, 6386:30,
6390:12, 6390:29,
6390:40, 6393:19,
6393:22
Feldman's [1] 6393:45
fellow [1] - 6321:24
felt [6] - 6342:11,
6348:5, 6348:6,
6352:37, 6352:39,
6375:18
festival [1] - 6350:15
few [10] - 6314:4,
6337:44, 6352:42,
6353:40, 6354:28,
6354:32, 6357:43,
6358:42, 6382:14,
6386:39
fight [1] - 6320:37
figured [1] - 6358:47
finalise [1] - 6320:35
finally [3] - 6359:26,
6386:12, 6387:25
financial [1] - 6330:40
fine [5] - 6332:12,
6344:23, 6350:9,
6377:32, 6379:8
first [23] - 6314:29,
6314:36, 6315:9,
6316:26, 6320:19,
6323:45, 6324:8,
6324:12, 6335:38,
6339:47, 6353:38,
6354:39, 6354:45,
6355:20, 6356:14,
6359:46, 6376:6,
6376:13, 6376:28,
6380:37, 6390:22,
6390:26, 6390:35
firstly [5] - 6320:29,
6342:20, 6353:7,
6377:5, 6387:28
Fitzgerald [1] 6313:35
five [5] - 6350:30,
6350:43, 6374:11,
6382:39
Flood [6] - 6317:3,
6328:32, 6330:9,
6330:30, 6330:35,
6352:14
follow [4] - 6317:15,
6317:20, 6373:32,
6375:46
followed [3] 6320:33, 6376:20,
6379:19
following [32] 6319:42, 6332:16,
6339:32, 6340:8,
6347:33, 6349:10,
6351:40, 6353:13,
6353:36, 6357:31,
6358:26, 6361:6,
6363:45, 6364:2,
6364:11, 6365:10,
6365:11, 6366:13,
6367:8, 6367:15,
6371:44, 6372:11,
6373:40, 6374:25,
6375:30, 6380:7,
6380:38, 6383:31,
6383:40, 6387:5,
6387:7, 6387:25
fondle [1] - 6351:30
food [1] - 6381:24
foot [2] - 6350:30,
6350:31
FOR [1] - 6393:40
forces [1] - 6381:33
form [9] - 6321:15,
6321:16, 6322:43,
6330:4, 6346:42,
6369:25, 6380:10,
6382:11, 6387:8
formal [19] - 6320:42,
6322:23, 6324:20,
6324:47, 6325:17,
6332:47, 6333:10,
6333:16, 6334:2,
6334:16, 6334:38,
6342:17, 6363:12,
6369:5, 6369:40,
6369:42, 6369:44,
6371:2, 6385:45
formal" [1] - 6333:9
formalise [1] - 6328:7
formalised [2] 6321:1, 6333:23
formalising [1] 6329:36
former [1] - 6365:17
formerly [1] - 6327:37
formulation [1] 6386:6
forward [7] - 6357:4,
6357:11, 6365:22,
6366:33, 6366:42,
.05/02/2015
6369:25, 6387:17
foundation [1] 6330:28
four [3] - 6350:43,
6374:11, 6393:44
framework [2] 6320:3, 6378:6
free [4] - 6383:44,
6384:30, 6387:9,
6391:30
freely [1] - 6374:29
FRIDAY [1] - 6394:14
friend [3] - 6348:22,
6357:43, 6357:45
front [4] - 6357:2,
6357:33, 6359:28,
6385:39
frozen [2] - 6351:36,
6357:13
full [1] - 6350:29
functioning [1] 6321:43
functions [1] 6326:18
funding [2] - 6326:29,
6326:30
fused [1] - 6326:26
G
gained [1] - 6391:36
Gan [1] - 6364:22
gay [1] - 6352:27
Gedola [24] - 6330:9,
6330:13, 6330:16,
6330:35, 6331:4,
6331:11, 6331:17,
6336:13, 6336:29,
6337:3, 6342:8,
6342:10, 6342:23,
6342:27, 6344:10,
6345:10, 6363:23,
6372:23, 6388:6,
6388:28, 6389:17,
6390:16
Gedolah [1] - 6352:14
general [7] - 6321:47,
6322:13, 6324:4,
6367:11, 6367:41,
6370:35, 6389:8
generally [2] 6362:34, 6368:4
generous [1] 6383:28
genuine [1] - 6391:11
genuineness [1] 6391:35
Gerace [8] - 6313:40,
6314:1, 6316:2,
6344:5, 6347:38,
6348:25, 6348:42,
6386:33
GERACE [18] 6314:3, 6314:15,
6314:22, 6314:24,
6316:10, 6316:35,
6343:40, 6344:7,
6347:40, 6348:27,
6349:1, 6381:10,
6386:38, 6393:15,
6393:19, 6393:28,
6393:43, 6394:9
Germany [1] - 6382:1
girl [1] - 6361:43
girls [2] - 6327:9,
6327:13
Givat [2] - 6353:47,
6354:20
given [7] - 6315:40,
6334:7, 6363:43,
6366:18, 6366:28,
6373:46, 6387:31
glasses [2] - 6355:6,
6355:30
go-to [1] - 6334:2
God [3] - 6379:45,
6383:42, 6391:29
Goldman [1] - 6359:8
Gourarie [1] - 6359:7
governance [5] 6321:18, 6321:22,
6321:46, 6322:9,
6322:44
government [3] 6326:30, 6382:13,
6382:22
grandparents [1] 6353:29
grave [2] - 6361:40,
6362:3
great [2] - 6379:41,
6379:46
greater [1] - 6328:2
greenslopes [1] 6353:45
grew [2] - 6353:27,
6353:28
groom [1] - 6362:47
grooming [3] 6362:39, 6362:43,
6363:6
group [6] - 6325:37,
6327:33, 6327:45,
6352:11, 6352:34,
6389:22
grouping [1] 6389:23
groups [2] - 6325:36,
6332:36
grown [1] - 6383:13
guess [3] - 6337:43,

6346:34, 6347:14
guessing [1] 6337:43
gug [1] - 6350:30
Gug [18] - 6345:29,
6345:33, 6345:36,
6345:43, 6350:26,
6350:34, 6351:1,
6351:2, 6351:3,
6351:5, 6351:12,
6351:30, 6351:43,
6352:9, 6352:15,
6352:17, 6352:23,
6352:44
Gug" [1] - 6350:22
Gug's [4] - 6350:23,
6351:21, 6351:24,
6351:27
guidance [3] 6318:39, 6354:9,
6354:42
guiding [1] - 6366:19
guilty [3] - 6363:39,
6364:21, 6364:38
Gutnick [2] - 6392:10,
6392:11
Gutnick's [1] 6392:39
H
hair [1] - 6355:5
hairy [2] - 6350:30,
6351:26
Halachic [4] 6324:15, 6379:40,
6381:45, 6385:15
halachically [2] 6392:25, 6393:4
half [1] - 6352:33
halfway [1] - 6345:28
hall [1] - 6328:34
hand [10] - 6322:2,
6351:11, 6351:19,
6351:21, 6351:25,
6351:30, 6351:32,
6357:12, 6359:20,
6391:3
hanging [1] - 6338:19
happy [2] - 6355:9,
6371:29
harassing [1] 6345:41
hardly [1] - 6319:29
harmony [1] - 6366:7
Harry [1] - 6330:29
Hayman [88] 6332:11, 6332:15,
6332:29, 6332:33,
9
6332:39, 6334:43,
6335:16, 6335:31,
6335:33, 6335:37,
6335:38, 6336:5,
6336:19, 6336:20,
6336:24, 6336:26,
6336:37, 6337:11,
6337:20, 6337:21,
6337:24, 6337:28,
6337:30, 6337:31,
6339:24, 6339:31,
6340:1, 6340:3,
6340:5, 6341:37,
6342:39, 6342:46,
6343:8, 6343:14,
6345:30, 6345:33,
6345:37, 6345:47,
6346:3, 6346:8,
6346:15, 6347:11,
6347:43, 6349:12,
6349:27, 6350:22,
6354:46, 6355:2,
6355:3, 6355:15,
6355:21, 6355:41,
6356:6, 6356:15,
6356:23, 6357:3,
6357:11, 6357:14,
6357:18, 6357:24,
6357:25, 6357:27,
6357:28, 6359:9,
6359:20, 6360:38,
6360:43, 6361:12,
6361:15, 6361:32,
6361:41, 6362:33,
6363:39, 6364:2,
6364:4, 6364:12,
6364:21, 6364:32,
6365:10, 6365:13,
6365:17, 6366:17,
6366:21, 6366:27,
6366:34, 6367:9,
6394:1
Hayman's [6] 6332:17, 6337:41,
6361:1, 6361:8,
6364:44, 6382:36
Head [1] - 6374:20
head [20] - 6316:38,
6317:2, 6318:29,
6319:16, 6319:25,
6320:26, 6324:3,
6325:12, 6327:17,
6344:35, 6345:23,
6348:4, 6348:9,
6348:14, 6348:32,
6366:25, 6366:31,
6374:12, 6380:18,
6382:22
head) [1] - 6336:43
headed [1] - 6323:39
headmaster [2] 6314:45, 6370:25

headquarters [4] 6322:34, 6322:35,
6322:41, 6322:43
heads [1] - 6368:8
healers [1] - 6391:39
healing [1] - 6383:23
healthier [1] - 6384:19
hear [2] - 6380:8,
6389:15
heard [19] - 6326:34,
6331:29, 6333:29,
6333:34, 6333:38,
6335:3, 6335:14,
6335:24, 6335:26,
6338:44, 6346:30,
6346:37, 6347:15,
6359:46, 6368:43,
6369:1, 6379:39,
6387:15, 6387:27
Hearing [1] - 6313:14
hearing [3] - 6320:21,
6335:44, 6384:41
hearsay [1] - 6348:19
heart [4] - 6380:8,
6380:21, 6381:5,
6381:14
heart-breaking [2] 6381:5, 6381:14
hearts [1] - 6380:21
heavily [1] - 6329:12
Hebrew [3] - 6353:39,
6353:46, 6354:20
height [1] - 6355:5
Heights [1] - 6327:33
heinous [1] - 6386:13
held [3] - 6316:17,
6321:44, 6377:20
help [9] - 6323:31,
6331:22, 6333:47,
6383:12, 6383:34,
6384:41, 6389:7,
6389:35, 6391:4
helped [2] - 6322:5,
6361:7
helpful [2] - 6363:27,
6363:32
helping [3] - 6375:8,
6383:24, 6391:3
high [1] - 6354:21
himself [4] - 6332:40,
6333:9, 6341:39,
6371:3
hive [1] - 6332:37
hmm [11] - 6326:6,
6327:39, 6335:1,
6337:15, 6340:34,
6340:38, 6373:20,
6373:34, 6374:46,
.05/02/2015
6375:27, 6375:32
hoc [1] - 6325:39
hold [4] - 6376:45,
6376:46, 6377:19,
6378:42
holding [1] - 6377:19
holidays [1] - 6359:2
holidays" [1] 6354:22
holiest [1] - 6383:36
Holocaust [3] 6381:17, 6381:30,
6381:43
holy [1] - 6384:18
home [20] - 6327:43,
6328:1, 6328:4,
6328:10, 6329:45,
6329:47, 6352:18,
6353:27, 6353:28,
6354:45, 6355:34,
6355:36, 6355:40,
6356:27, 6356:34,
6359:2, 6361:43,
6380:45, 6383:46
homeless [1] 6383:45
homes [1] - 6328:12
homework [1] 6356:28
homosexual [7] 6333:30, 6335:3,
6335:15, 6335:19,
6335:25, 6339:27
honestly [1] - 6341:23
Honour [13] - 6314:3,
6314:10, 6316:29,
6343:40, 6347:41,
6348:27, 6367:6,
6386:24, 6386:38,
6393:15, 6393:28,
6394:2, 6394:9
hope [1] - 6382:1
hour [1] - 6352:33
hours [2] - 6358:10,
6376:2
house [7] - 6352:21,
6352:32, 6353:2,
6353:5, 6361:9,
6383:8, 6383:13
housekeeping [1] 6393:29
human [2] - 6380:2,
6384:5
humanitarian [1] 6383:19
hundreds [2] 6332:38, 6391:2
hungry [1] - 6383:45
I
Ian [1] - 6392:9
idea [1] - 6360:7
identifiable [2] 6368:17, 6368:19
identified [1] 6390:39
identify [1] - 6359:32
ignore [1] - 6383:47
illnesses [1] - 6383:1
ills [1] - 6382:44
images [1] - 6356:42
imagined [1] 6360:40
immediate [2] 6356:31, 6383:2
immediately [3] 6356:30, 6377:43,
6382:33
immune [2] - 6382:44,
6384:6
imperative [1] 6317:45
important [2] 6343:35, 6365:32
impossible [1] 6356:33
impression [1] 6389:5
impressions [1] 6389:8
imprimatur [1] 6345:46
inappropriate [11] 6337:7, 6339:5,
6339:25, 6342:1,
6342:19, 6342:29,
6352:23, 6356:10,
6370:20, 6373:18,
6373:29
inappropriately [4] 6319:41, 6348:12,
6352:26, 6361:41
incidence [1] 6363:28
incident [10] 6341:24, 6356:45,
6356:47, 6373:45,
6373:46, 6374:9,
6374:28, 6375:2,
6380:38, 6382:8
incidents [2] 6356:14, 6382:14
include [2] - 6369:13,
6369:14
included [3] 6321:47, 6327:12,
6359:7
includes [1] - 6322:27
including [6] 6329:32, 6354:16,

6367:36, 6379:47,
6380:3, 6382:14
inclusive [1] - 6369:17
incompatible [1] 6343:38
incomplete [1] 6374:1
incorporated [1] 6367:39
incorporates [1] 6368:12
incorrectly [1] 6344:19
incumbent [1] 6383:1
indecent [1] - 6363:40
indecently [2] 6339:14, 6340:22
indeed [7] - 6320:47,
6329:11, 6334:3,
6343:34, 6361:40,
6362:7, 6366:41
independent [6] 6317:16, 6318:13,
6318:37, 6323:2,
6378:17, 6383:15
Independent [1] 6375:23
independently [3] 6317:25, 6317:36,
6325:25
indicated [1] 6369:43
indicating [1] 6386:30
individual [6] 6317:16, 6319:26,
6320:37, 6365:36,
6369:29, 6381:21
individual's [1] 6368:13
individuals [1] 6325:8
infirm [1] - 6383:21
influence [3] 6317:42, 6319:13,
6328:24
inform [3] - 6361:27,
6375:21, 6381:34
information [29] 6335:14, 6335:24,
6335:44, 6336:1,
6339:22, 6339:26,
6339:46, 6342:40,
6343:28, 6348:12,
6348:28, 6348:31,
6348:39, 6349:11,
6353:9, 6361:18,
10
6361:20, 6361:34,
6365:25, 6365:45,
6366:41, 6370:40,
6378:18, 6378:37,
6379:24, 6379:39,
6384:22, 6387:27,
6387:29
informed [9] 6315:32, 6361:24,
6373:40, 6374:33,
6375:1, 6375:41,
6376:7, 6378:12,
6382:20
informer [2] - 6380:30,
6381:41
informing [2] 6370:31, 6381:46
initiate [1] - 6322:24
initiated [1] - 6352:22
injunction [1] 6320:20
injunctive [1] 6322:27
innocence [2] 6371:33, 6379:5
innocent [3] 6371:28, 6372:42,
6377:7
input [1] - 6348:7
inspired [1] - 6383:16
instance [6] 6320:19, 6323:45,
6324:8, 6324:12,
6363:1, 6371:11
instances [2] 6382:16, 6392:22
institution [17] 6328:7, 6349:38,
6362:2, 6362:11,
6366:26, 6366:28,
6366:31, 6368:25,
6370:8, 6371:4,
6383:9, 6387:8,
6387:9, 6388:47,
6390:38, 6390:40,
6390:41
INSTITUTIONAL [1] 6313:8
institutions [5] 6326:46, 6368:6,
6368:8, 6380:17,
6384:6
instructions [3] 6373:32, 6382:21,
6388:19
insufficient [1] 6374:2
insurance [5] 6367:28, 6367:30,
6367:32, 6367:38,
6367:42
insured [1] - 6367:32
intended [1] - 6368:2
intending [2] 6350:21, 6376:37
interaction [1] 6337:2
interest [1] - 6374:11
interested [1] 6329:35
interests [1] - 6381:38
interject [1] - 6345:39
internal [2] - 6362:26,
6362:28
interpose [1] - 6314:6
interrupt [1] - 6381:7
intervening [1] 6345:17
interview [6] 6337:33, 6339:22,
6343:8, 6345:38,
6346:1, 6346:7
interviewed [3] 6337:33, 6376:30,
6378:2
INTO [1] - 6313:8
introduce [1] 6336:12
invent [1] - 6358:14
inventing [1] 6358:15
investigated [1] 6376:14
investigation [3] 6375:2, 6375:13,
6377:9
investing [1] 6379:47
invite [1] - 6379:44
invited [1] - 6350:14
involve [4] - 6371:39,
6375:14, 6379:22,
6382:12
involved [20] - 6326:9,
6329:10, 6329:11,
6329:12, 6329:31,
6332:40, 6332:47,
6333:9, 6333:43,
6333:45, 6336:41,
6354:15, 6356:14,
6372:3, 6372:36,
6375:22, 6383:24,
6390:10, 6390:16,
6390:39
involvement [2] 6333:23, 6336:45
involving [4] 6339:28, 6364:31,
6369:35, 6381:41
Ipswich [2] - 6353:24,
.05/02/2015
6353:26
irregular [1] - 6389:21
irreligious [1] 6388:29
Isaiah [1] - 6383:40
Israel [1] - 6364:22
issue [8] - 6345:42,
6349:4, 6349:19,
6363:44, 6364:10,
6367:7, 6372:18,
6381:44
issued [7] - 6362:22,
6364:3, 6365:11,
6366:12, 6367:11,
6367:14
issues [14] - 6324:2,
6324:11, 6324:12,
6324:15, 6330:8,
6337:5, 6337:7,
6342:13, 6348:5,
6366:36, 6366:43,
6371:30, 6372:22,
6380:28
itself [3] - 6324:19,
6342:22, 6344:16
J
Jacob [1] - 6334:11
January [2] - 6314:30,
6314:37
Jennifer [1] - 6313:34
Jew [3] - 6381:34,
6381:35, 6382:1
Jewish [29] - 6326:5,
6326:17, 6326:21,
6326:31, 6326:35,
6327:2, 6327:6,
6334:5, 6350:15,
6353:4, 6353:25,
6353:44, 6354:2,
6358:36, 6358:38,
6360:11, 6365:18,
6367:11, 6367:23,
6382:43, 6383:8,
6383:12, 6383:13,
6383:36, 6383:37,
6384:2, 6384:15,
6384:35
Jews [3] - 6347:19,
6381:46, 6382:3
JIRT [1] - 6376:30
job [1] - 6324:34
join [1] - 6332:46
joint [1] - 6325:34
jokester [1] - 6355:9
journalist [1] 6367:24
jovial [1] - 6355:9
Judaism [3] -
6319:27, 6353:19,
6358:37
judged [3] - 6321:44,
6368:18, 6386:7
judgment [4] - 6378:9,
6378:11, 6378:22,
6378:25
judicial [1] - 6365:34
July [9] - 6373:43,
6374:7, 6374:9,
6374:32, 6375:30,
6376:7, 6376:9,
6389:31
jurisdiction [1] 6387:31
Justice [1] - 6313:34
justifiable [1] 6381:36
K
keep [6] - 6340:44,
6340:47, 6341:2,
6341:30, 6373:1,
6384:18
keeping [1] - 6356:31
kept [1] - 6373:2
Kesser [1] - 6327:34
key [1] - 6355:44
kid [1] - 6353:42
kids [2] - 6338:28,
6358:36
kin [1] - 6383:47
Kippur [2] - 6383:36,
6383:41
kitchen [2] - 6356:23,
6383:19
Kitchen [1] - 6383:24
knock [1] - 6383:34
knocked [1] - 6389:6
knots [1] - 6383:43
knowing [1] - 6382:36
knowledge [10] 6315:34, 6316:21,
6324:47, 6329:47,
6332:15, 6340:24,
6349:37, 6367:34,
6389:30
known [7] - 6327:37,
6352:13, 6352:17,
6353:45, 6357:25,
6366:18, 6379:18
kosher [1] - 6381:24
L
L-E-I-D-E-R [1] 6334:14
labelled [1] - 6380:29
ladies [2] - 6354:27,
6354:32
Ladies [3] - 6354:35,
6354:39, 6354:40
large [6] - 6328:6,
6350:41, 6379:47,
6382:45, 6383:11,
6392:12
last [6] - 6334:13,
6342:38, 6342:45,
6348:30, 6358:46,
6374:28
late [4] - 6342:38,
6350:38, 6354:47,
6355:1
law [3] - 6335:20,
6375:47, 6384:15
leader [6] - 6316:43,
6327:18, 6327:22,
6341:47, 6380:40,
6391:34
leadership [2] 6325:35, 6382:40
leading [1] - 6382:9
leaned [1] - 6357:11
leaning [1] - 6357:4
least [4] - 6345:46,
6352:33, 6356:26,
6374:45
leave [19] - 6334:16,
6339:37, 6358:24,
6376:41, 6376:42,
6377:1, 6377:14,
6377:17, 6377:45,
6378:8, 6378:14,
6378:30, 6378:39,
6379:15, 6379:26,
6379:34, 6388:27,
6388:28, 6388:39
leaves [1] - 6382:45
leaving [5] - 6369:4,
6377:25, 6378:43,
6379:1, 6379:21
led [2] - 6364:36,
6378:18
left [19] - 6315:32,
6315:35, 6316:18,
6316:22, 6339:43,
6340:4, 6351:4,
6351:21, 6351:22,
6352:34, 6356:31,
6356:32, 6357:33,
6374:1, 6375:40,
6376:3, 6378:1,
6382:26, 6383:29
leg [1] - 6359:21
legal [8] - 6326:24,
6326:26, 6329:39,
6364:35, 6367:42,
6381:25, 6384:35
Leider [1] - 6334:11
11
Lesches [59] 6336:10, 6336:12,

6336:18, 6336:19,
6336:20, 6336:23,
6336:26, 6336:28,
6337:2, 6338:2,
6338:7, 6338:34,
6339:23, 6339:36,
6340:1, 6340:2,
6340:32, 6341:29,
6341:36, 6342:10,
6344:9, 6344:30,
6347:44, 6348:2,
6348:31, 6349:2,
6349:11, 6349:13,
6349:26, 6349:28,
6352:12, 6353:8,
6353:10, 6354:42,
6355:20, 6355:42,
6358:4, 6358:10,
6358:41, 6359:12,
6359:18, 6359:21,
6360:18, 6360:22,
6360:24, 6360:36,
6360:42, 6360:46,
6361:19, 6361:44,
6362:29, 6384:23,
6387:30, 6388:21,
6388:33, 6389:9,
6389:10, 6389:12,
6389:16
less [3] - 6322:46,
6376:2, 6391:3
level [2] - 6327:46,
6380:33
library [1] - 6357:41
life [5] - 6353:23,
6355:34, 6380:23,
6383:4, 6385:1
light [2] - 6357:9,
6366:41
like-minded [1] 6360:8
likelihood [1] 6376:29
likely [4] - 6335:19,
6342:21, 6346:5,
6376:13
limited [4] - 6326:4,
6326:5, 6327:2,
6329:40
Limited [7] - 6326:8,
6326:17, 6326:18,
6327:28, 6329:43,
6330:4, 6330:34
line [2] - 6392:41,
6392:42
lines [1] - 6322:46
list [1] - 6320:7
listen [4] - 6318:36,
6392:18, 6392:34,
6392:40
lived [1] - 6360:10
living [2] - 6379:46,
6391:29
locate [1] - 6366:39
logistical [1] - 6314:5
look [14] - 6315:26,
6316:13, 6321:42,
6322:8, 6339:44,
6346:24, 6357:5,
6363:34, 6370:33,
6372:13, 6372:26,
6375:44, 6389:23,
6390:23
looked [2] - 6315:19,
6361:12
looking [4] - 6314:44,
6357:4, 6357:38,
6375:39
loosely [1] - 6369:21
lost [1] - 6372:20
lounge [1] - 6350:46
Lubavich [1] 6322:34
Lubavitch [2] 6316:40, 6318:2
lunch [1] - 6343:44
LUNCHEON [1] 6344:1
luncheon [1] - 6344:9
lying [1] - 6351:3
M
main [3] - 6327:6,
6327:32, 6350:41
maintain [1] - 6390:47
male [1] - 6356:39
man [3] - 6347:2,
6383:33, 6389:35
managed [1] 6327:33
management [10] 6323:46, 6324:9,
6324:32, 6324:35,
6324:38, 6327:36,
6329:25, 6362:2,
6381:40, 6381:42
managing [1] 6348:10
manner [3] - 6314:26,
6346:40, 6366:4
Manny [10] - 6387:39,
6388:2, 6388:5,
6388:27, 6389:5,
6389:17, 6389:35,
6390:46, 6391:6,
6391:10
Margaret [1] - 6353:39
.05/02/2015
marginalised [1] 6365:43

Maria [1] - 6313:40
marked [1] - 6393:37
marriage [2] - 6340:5,
6355:24
married [11] 6333:39, 6333:40,
6333:41, 6334:43,
6334:44, 6335:5,
6335:37, 6340:4,
6355:15, 6355:21,
6355:22
massive [1] - 6383:20
material [5] - 6336:23,
6343:28, 6347:42,
6362:26, 6393:30
matter [15] - 6338:3,
6342:12, 6343:22,
6347:46, 6362:31,
6366:17, 6367:9,
6375:14, 6380:15,
6384:44, 6384:45,
6385:10, 6386:20,
6387:11, 6389:30
matters [12] - 6325:8,
6331:15, 6361:14,
6361:30, 6362:3,
6362:17, 6363:11,
6366:30, 6377:4,
6382:10
meal [1] - 6353:3
meals [3] - 6350:19,
6356:3, 6383:21
mean [5] - 6338:25,
6349:20, 6366:47,
6368:16
meaning [2] 6332:18, 6390:38
means [1] - 6315:39
measure [1] - 6383:23
mechanism [2] 6342:18, 6385:34
media [7] - 6345:40,
6345:41, 6364:5,
6364:6, 6364:7,
6367:11
meet [4] - 6325:37,
6332:33, 6372:22,
6376:34
meeting [25] 6315:31, 6315:33,
6316:17, 6371:20,
6371:22, 6371:29,
6371:36, 6371:38,
6371:40, 6371:41,
6372:31, 6372:39,
6373:46, 6374:7,
6374:39, 6374:44,
6375:29, 6375:31,
6375:35, 6375:38,
6376:8, 6376:14,
6376:18, 6377:4,
6381:43
meetings [3] 6370:41, 6373:2,
6373:3
Melbourne [6] 6313:20, 6325:18,
6325:35, 6325:37,
6325:38, 6383:30
Melinda [1] - 6387:38
Member [1] - 6313:34
member [11] 6323:33, 6323:38,
6323:43, 6324:30,
6355:2, 6365:17,
6381:21, 6382:31,
6382:32, 6384:30,
6384:36
MEMBER [21] 6314:1, 6314:13,
6315:47, 6316:6,
6316:31, 6343:43,
6344:5, 6347:37,
6348:25, 6348:36,
6381:13, 6386:29,
6387:34, 6391:44,
6392:1, 6392:5,
6393:17, 6393:22,
6393:36, 6394:4,
6394:11
members [10] 6324:14, 6348:11,
6354:16, 6366:32,
6380:11, 6381:29,
6381:40, 6383:6,
6385:41, 6393:30
memory [4] - 6343:23,
6343:34, 6344:22,
6390:24
men [2] - 6355:12,
6356:42
mental [1] - 6382:47
mention [1] - 6347:17
mentioned [2] 6325:26, 6382:8
mentioning [1] 6315:43
mentor [1] - 6333:4
mentoring [1] 6342:14
merely [1] - 6384:25
mesirah [4] - 6379:39,
6381:45, 6382:5,
6392:21
message [1] - 6366:32
met [2] - 6335:38,
6371:20
method [1] - 6369:41
midday [2] - 6374:7,

6375:30
middle [2] - 6351:2,
6351:23
might [29] - 6320:25,
6320:44, 6322:11,
6322:24, 6323:41,
6324:8, 6324:25,
6325:11, 6337:34,
6343:27, 6343:41,
6346:31, 6347:33,
6360:39, 6362:39,
6362:47, 6363:6,
6363:35, 6369:9,
6375:18, 6377:14,
6377:30, 6377:41,
6377:45, 6378:18,
6378:37, 6379:15,
6379:25, 6387:4
minded [1] - 6360:8
mingling [2] 6338:19, 6338:26
minor [1] - 6365:19
minute [1] - 6335:23
minutes [3] - 6314:5,
6352:33, 6386:40
misbehaviour [1] 6347:4
misconduct [2] 6382:20, 6382:32
misdoings [1] 6369:14
mistake [1] - 6360:24
mixing [2] - 6338:19,
6338:25
Mmm-hmm [1] 6340:38
mmm-hmm [10] 6326:6, 6327:39,
6335:1, 6337:15,
6340:34, 6373:20,
6373:34, 6374:46,
6375:27, 6375:32
moment [7] - 6319:34,
6329:26, 6329:46,
6332:24, 6378:6,
6388:31, 6390:42
month [1] - 6354:47
months [4] - 6339:41,
6352:42, 6354:43,
6382:30
moral [4] - 6317:45,
6319:11, 6379:2,
6379:32
morally [2] - 6379:22,
6379:23
moreover [1] 6354:17
morning [6] - 6314:1,
6314:3, 6314:4,
12
6314:6, 6358:12,
6394:11
moser [2] - 6380:29,
6381:41
moser" [1] - 6380:35
Moshe [1] - 6392:10
most [7] - 6354:47,
6376:13, 6380:3,
6380:11, 6380:12,
6383:6, 6384:6
mostly [1] - 6353:1
mother [10] - 6353:28,
6373:40, 6373:43,
6374:1, 6374:8,
6380:46, 6381:5,
6381:14, 6381:17
move [3] - 6330:8,
6353:36, 6357:21
moved [4] - 6353:3,
6353:24, 6357:12,
6361:8
movement [14] 6317:15, 6317:21,
6318:24, 6319:16,
6321:34, 6321:38,
6322:36, 6332:47,
6351:14, 6380:19,
6384:3, 6384:16,
6389:43, 6391:34
moving [1] - 6357:15
MR [9] - 6348:16,
6348:45, 6381:7,
6391:46, 6392:3,
6392:7, 6392:9,
6392:36, 6392:39
MS [20] - 6314:3,
6314:15, 6314:22,
6314:24, 6316:10,
6316:35, 6343:40,
6344:7, 6347:40,
6348:27, 6349:1,
6381:10, 6386:38,
6387:36, 6387:38,
6393:15, 6393:19,
6393:28, 6393:43,
6394:9
Murray [1] - 6313:36
must [5] - 6324:38,
6360:24, 6365:40,
6376:11, 6384:37
N
naked [8] - 6356:15,
6356:25, 6356:39,
6356:41, 6356:42,
6357:4, 6357:6,
6383:46
nakedness [1] 6356:37
name [16] - 6315:39,

6315:43, 6327:34,
6329:19, 6331:19,
6334:13, 6346:4,
6346:8, 6349:44,
6353:16, 6365:36,
6381:7, 6381:11,
6387:38, 6390:35,
6392:9
named [1] - 6393:37
namely [1] - 6326:16
names [1] - 6352:8
nature [12] - 6317:42,
6337:9, 6339:25,
6342:46, 6343:14,
6346:18, 6363:28,
6364:14, 6374:3,
6374:23, 6375:9,
6387:18
Nazi [3] - 6381:32,
6381:33, 6381:47
nearby [1] - 6351:35
nearly [1] - 6382:39
necessarily [2] 6342:6, 6342:13
necessary [6] 6320:28, 6326:28,
6334:1, 6337:5,
6372:17, 6382:28
need [12] - 6320:33,
6320:40, 6345:39,
6373:22, 6373:25,
6380:12, 6383:10,
6383:25, 6383:33,
6386:25, 6386:29,
6389:35
needed [5] - 6320:46,
6342:12, 6342:28,
6348:6, 6360:32
needs [5] - 6320:11,
6321:3, 6321:16,
6321:17, 6386:30
needy [1] - 6383:21
neglect [1] - 6382:46
Neil [2] - 6392:5,
6392:9
NEIL [3] - 6392:7,
6392:9, 6392:39
nervous [1] - 6374:27
network [1] - 6360:9
never [20] - 6319:22,
6319:38, 6319:44,
6320:42, 6333:46,
6334:2, 6334:7,
6336:37, 6347:20,
6353:28, 6355:43,
6356:4, 6356:7,
6356:21, 6356:39,
6356:41, 6380:32,
6382:3, 6386:13,
.05/02/2015
6391:13
new [6] - 6317:2,
6321:13, 6321:21,
6327:47, 6329:38,
6383:18
New [63] - 6314:25,
6316:39, 6316:40,
6316:44, 6317:1,
6317:8, 6317:11,
6317:13, 6317:20,
6318:3, 6318:30,
6318:34, 6319:8,
6319:15, 6319:45,
6319:47, 6320:2,
6320:14, 6320:26,
6320:27, 6320:43,
6321:39, 6322:11,
6322:29, 6322:33,
6322:34, 6322:39,
6322:40, 6322:41,
6322:47, 6323:5,
6323:17, 6323:23,
6323:24, 6323:25,
6323:31, 6324:27,
6324:42, 6324:46,
6325:5, 6325:12,
6325:16, 6325:27,
6327:16, 6344:35,
6352:44, 6379:43,
6380:18, 6384:9,
6384:16, 6384:43,
6385:14, 6385:37,
6385:41, 6386:1,
6386:9, 6386:19,
6387:26, 6387:28
Newcomb [2] 6375:22, 6375:24
News [1] - 6367:23
newspapers [1] 6367:12
Next [1] - 6338:23
next [3] - 6352:2,
6372:11, 6374:6
night [9] - 6340:18,
6350:38, 6350:44,
6351:43, 6351:47,
6359:6, 6359:14,
6359:18, 6360:39
nights [1] - 6355:35
no" [1] - 6373:25
noble [1] - 6384:6
nobody [2] - 6335:29,
6342:4
nods) [11] - 6316:19,
6325:22, 6326:43,
6328:21, 6333:31,
6334:20, 6336:31,
6344:12, 6355:25,
6372:5, 6376:16
nomination [1] -
6369:23
none [2] - 6348:18,
6380:45
normal [2] - 6353:34,
6389:22
normally [1] - 6323:46
note [1] - 6386:26
noted [1] - 6371:1
notes [22] - 6314:45,
6314:47, 6315:2,
6315:12, 6315:20,
6315:27, 6315:31,
6316:16, 6365:16,
6370:33, 6370:34,
6370:35, 6370:42,
6372:13, 6372:17,
6372:46, 6372:47,
6373:6, 6373:12,
6373:39, 6375:29,
6375:40
nothing [9] - 6325:40,
6332:47, 6333:9,
6342:30, 6347:24,
6358:2, 6391:46,
6393:17, 6393:19
notice [3] - 6363:44,
6374:36, 6375:3
notification [1] 6377:40
notified [6] - 6371:31,
6376:38, 6376:39,
6379:14, 6382:22
notify [5] - 6378:16,
6378:17, 6378:20,
6379:33
notwithstanding [2] 6368:47, 6371:33
November [1] - 6355:1
NPF.053.002.0012_E
_R [1] - 6337:35
NPF.053.002.0030_E
_R [1] - 6340:8
NPF.053.002.0507_E
_R [1] - 6373:5
NSW.2021.001.0221
[3] - 6349:43,
6393:45, 6394:6
NSW.2021.001.0225
[3] - 6353:15,
6393:46, 6394:7
NSW.2021.001.0239
[3] - 6358:26,
6393:46, 6394:7
NSW.2021.001.0242
[3] - 6359:27,
6393:46, 6394:7
number [15] 6320:47, 6321:11,
6321:46, 6321:47,
6326:11, 6328:6,
6329:35, 6332:41,
6336:27, 6374:10,
6379:38, 6380:28,
6381:29, 6382:13,
6383:13
O
object [1] - 6348:16
objective [1] - 6368:37
obligation [8] 6377:46, 6378:42,
6384:18, 6385:15,
6385:20, 6392:45,
6393:2
obligations [1] 6379:40
obtain [3] - 6330:23,
6342:40, 6343:27
obvious [1] - 6376:4
obviously [2] 6338:44, 6374:3
occasion [2] 6351:46, 6354:18
occasionally [1] 6359:12
occasioning [1] 6359:11
occasions [8] 6336:27, 6355:39,
6356:26, 6356:27,
6382:14, 6388:6,
6388:27, 6388:39
occur [4] - 6320:25,
6331:31, 6342:26,
6374:6
occurred [14] 6320:8, 6327:15,
6356:25, 6364:22,
6366:26, 6370:36,
6373:45, 6374:9,
6374:41, 6376:9,
6380:16, 6380:38,
6386:14, 6386:21
occurring [4] 6337:8, 6347:23,
6355:19, 6366:29
occurs [4] - 6330:17,
6374:8, 6374:24,
6386:14
October [1] - 6354:40
odd [1] - 6355:33
OF [1] - 6316:33
offence [2] - 6363:40,
6365:34
offences [2] 6337:32, 6372:41
offer [1] - 6389:39
offered [1] - 6332:34
office [2] - 6358:11,
13
6371:25
official [9] - 6368:32,
6368:34, 6368:36,
6379:43, 6384:15,
6385:14, 6385:37,
6386:18, 6390:42
often [8] - 6322:35,
6324:6, 6324:33,
6331:30, 6354:8,
6356:15, 6361:3,
6379:7
older [2] - 6344:29,
6357:43
oldest [1] - 6354:26
once [8] - 6317:24,
6317:35, 6318:16,
6319:1, 6323:1,
6369:32, 6376:28,
6389:1
one [42] - 6318:17,
6319:19, 6319:21,
6319:27, 6322:11,
6323:39, 6324:2,
6325:11, 6325:25,
6325:31, 6326:40,
6331:44, 6333:2,
6333:4, 6334:18,
6336:12, 6339:28,
6341:19, 6343:35,
6346:29, 6347:1,
6348:11, 6353:30,
6353:45, 6355:30,
6359:14, 6359:18,
6359:30, 6360:35,
6364:30, 6368:28,
6373:39, 6374:11,
6380:10, 6380:28,
6380:42, 6383:27,
6384:45, 6385:1,
6389:9, 6393:34
ones [2] - 6371:15,
6380:12
ongoing [1] - 6383:2
onwards [1] - 6327:29
open [1] - 6360:31
openly [1] - 6391:35
operate [4] - 6317:25,
6317:36, 6325:25,
6326:22
operated [6] 6325:30, 6326:1,
6326:4, 6326:16,
6328:23, 6329:17
operates [1] - 6330:13
operating [2] - 6326:9,
6333:25
operation [5] 6325:16, 6326:19,
6329:16, 6330:42,
6383:20
opinion [5] - 6318:38,

6320:45, 6321:30,
6392:25, 6393:4
opportunity [1] 6328:2
oppose [1] - 6320:37
opposed [1] - 6331:35
opposition [1] 6314:10
oppressed [1] 6383:44
oppressive [1] 6381:47
opted [1] - 6350:44
option [1] - 6386:45
options [1] - 6324:17
or/and [1] - 6324:28
ORA [4] - 6364:2,
6365:10, 6365:16,
6365:21
orally [1] - 6368:20
ordain [1] - 6369:37
ordained [1] - 6368:46
order [5] - 6314:4,
6315:27, 6320:33,
6330:23
ordination [10] 6330:22, 6330:24,
6369:2, 6369:10,
6369:11, 6369:28,
6369:46, 6372:9,
6376:43, 6376:47
organisation [11] 6318:23, 6318:44,
6319:3, 6319:47,
6320:14, 6320:16,
6324:15, 6325:32,
6348:14, 6390:9,
6390:10
Organisation [1] 6365:15
organisations [4] 6318:12, 6318:18,
6319:2, 6325:21
organised [10] 6320:3, 6325:40,
6328:17, 6328:20,
6328:39, 6334:18,
6335:11, 6375:35,
6375:38
organising [2] 6325:31, 6325:36
Orthodox [4] 6319:27, 6332:44,
6353:19, 6354:1
ostracisation [1] 6385:30
otherwise [11] 6319:7, 6319:19,
6329:44, 6333:24,
.05/02/2015
6343:7, 6343:29,
6357:8, 6363:10,
6393:24, 6393:37,
6394:11
ought [1] - 6348:21
ourselves [2] 6365:6, 6382:15
outcome [1] - 6365:16
outline [1] - 6322:15
outlines [1] - 6321:40
outreach [1] - 6352:16
outside [2] - 6320:1,
6357:41
overall [3] - 6324:4,
6362:2, 6371:3
overseas [7] - 6320:2,
6332:23, 6332:26,
6332:29, 6332:30,
6332:31, 6382:28
oversight [1] 6348:10
own [21] - 6318:12,
6318:23, 6318:38,
6319:1, 6319:2,
6319:12, 6345:42,
6348:6, 6355:34,
6355:44, 6355:45,
6377:20, 6377:42,
6380:46, 6384:39,
6388:42, 6388:45,
6391:26, 6391:27
P
paddy [2] - 6381:4,
6381:15
paedophile [3] 6362:40, 6362:44,
6362:47
paedophiles [1] 6363:5
page [10] - 6347:28,
6347:33, 6347:34,
6350:36, 6353:36,
6373:40, 6390:26,
6392:36, 6392:41
paid [2] - 6333:23,
6367:38
pain [1] - 6380:30
pants [2] - 6351:7,
6351:20
paragraph [28] 6315:15, 6315:17,
6326:11, 6326:13,
6327:42, 6343:14,
6346:18, 6346:26,
6349:47, 6350:6,
6351:9, 6351:16,
6351:38, 6352:2,
6353:17, 6355:27,
6356:12, 6356:45,
6357:31, 6358:7,
6358:31, 6359:32,
6360:20, 6387:41,
6387:43, 6388:1,
6389:5, 6392:39
paragraphs [1] 6315:10
pardon [8] - 6345:31,
6373:23, 6388:10,
6388:43, 6390:6,
6390:20, 6391:8,
6391:16
parent [7] - 6358:28,
6358:29, 6359:26,
6359:31, 6359:46,
6370:19, 6376:15
parent's [1] - 6353:32
parents [21] - 6327:45,
6327:47, 6328:11,
6328:17, 6328:18,
6328:20, 6328:39,
6328:42, 6332:18,
6353:19, 6353:38,
6353:43, 6354:2,
6354:7, 6354:15,
6354:28, 6354:38,
6359:30, 6361:13,
6371:15, 6371:18
part [10] - 6322:18,
6326:36, 6353:25,
6367:21, 6371:2,
6374:12, 6378:11,
6378:25, 6378:43,
6389:22
partially [1] - 6380:30
participate [2] 6321:21, 6332:39
participated [1] 6374:10
participates [1] 6332:6
participating [2] 6333:1, 6335:17
particular [12] 6319:28, 6319:46,
6320:18, 6321:40,
6322:40, 6332:45,
6332:47, 6353:32,
6356:37, 6359:14,
6364:36, 6374:20
particularly [4] 6347:3, 6354:21,
6354:30, 6380:11
parties [1] - 6324:1
parts [2] - 6358:30,
6370:3
party [1] - 6366:22
passages [1] 6392:14
past [1] - 6320:47

pastoral [3] - 6381:21,
6387:15, 6387:18
peace [1] - 6366:7
peers [1] - 6352:5
penis [3] - 6351:30,
6357:5, 6357:7
people [35] - 6318:10,
6318:11, 6318:35,
6318:37, 6319:35,
6320:4, 6323:47,
6328:7, 6332:38,
6338:10, 6338:13,
6338:18, 6338:28,
6338:29, 6338:42,
6339:5, 6342:14,
6351:34, 6352:29,
6360:8, 6360:9,
6361:35, 6369:7,
6383:3, 6383:10,
6383:25, 6383:38,
6383:47, 6384:2,
6384:41, 6385:9,
6385:10, 6390:9,
6391:2
per [2] - 6385:17,
6389:36
perceived [1] - 6361:2
perhaps [7] - 6314:28,
6316:35, 6322:28,
6336:16, 6344:29,
6386:31, 6387:45
period [11] - 6320:3,
6325:7, 6332:37,
6333:5, 6333:38,
6335:25, 6336:11,
6344:46, 6345:17,
6355:23, 6367:41
permanent [1] 6382:45
permission [2] 6318:23, 6334:18
permitted [3] 6333:24, 6355:43,
6384:17
perpetrated [1] 6380:45
perpetration [1] 6365:26
perpetrator [5] 6362:39, 6363:34,
6379:33, 6384:26,
6385:28
perpetrators [1] 6384:6
person [32] - 6315:39,
6315:41, 6316:7,
6318:24, 6319:28,
6319:38, 6320:7,
6320:16, 6323:32,
14
6323:43, 6324:8,
6334:2, 6335:9,
6345:40, 6349:44,
6349:45, 6349:46,
6350:34, 6351:2,
6351:4, 6353:16,
6355:29, 6357:42,
6358:29, 6363:6,
6368:7, 6369:15,
6378:12, 6379:3,
6379:14, 6379:24,
6385:20
personal [5] 6317:43, 6321:30,
6360:31, 6365:44,
6368:29
personally [3] 6317:42, 6370:7,
6380:21
persons [1] - 6329:35
perspective [1] 6379:11
persuasion [1] 6323:27
persuasive [1] 6389:42
phone [2] - 6357:46,
6359:16
phoney [1] - 6391:12
physical [2] - 6356:8,
6382:47
picture [1] - 6374:1
Pinchus [4] - 6314:6,
6314:10, 6314:16,
6341:17
PINCHUS [3] 6314:20, 6316:33,
6344:3
place [18] - 6320:20,
6327:27, 6328:5,
6328:15, 6328:34,
6341:24, 6342:18,
6342:26, 6346:33,
6346:36, 6347:2,
6359:13, 6361:8,
6380:2, 6381:46,
6385:45, 6388:36,
6389:47
placed [5] - 6342:17,
6354:41, 6357:11,
6364:32, 6375:22
places [3] - 6320:2,
6360:14, 6361:42
plan [1] - 6314:5
planning [1] - 6378:14
play [2] - 6344:20,
6355:10
plead [1] - 6364:21
pleaded [2] - 6363:39,
6364:38
pleased [2] - 6353:32,

6354:29
pm [9] - 6343:41,
6373:43, 6374:32,
6375:30, 6375:31,
6375:34, 6376:7,
6376:9
Pnina [2] - 6390:35,
6390:40
point [8] - 6321:23,
6348:17, 6357:14,
6367:5, 6372:16,
6375:15, 6379:36,
6384:46
points [2] - 6371:3,
6373:47
POLICE [1] - 6394:6
police [44] - 6337:33,
6337:37, 6340:5,
6341:36, 6343:9,
6346:1, 6346:7,
6347:43, 6347:46,
6349:44, 6352:37,
6358:28, 6359:42,
6359:47, 6361:12,
6361:31, 6364:43,
6365:27, 6365:37,
6365:41, 6365:45,
6369:7, 6369:8,
6376:30, 6376:41,
6377:43, 6378:3,
6378:7, 6378:16,
6378:21, 6379:28,
6381:3, 6381:23,
6381:32, 6381:33,
6382:15, 6382:34,
6384:31, 6384:38,
6385:16, 6385:22,
6393:47
policies [1] - 6342:25
policy [5] - 6320:43,
6324:24, 6324:47,
6381:33, 6384:15
portion [1] - 6326:35
position [22] 6317:47, 6318:15,
6330:3, 6334:17,
6366:10, 6372:23,
6372:40, 6376:45,
6376:46, 6379:2,
6379:43, 6382:39,
6384:15, 6384:39,
6385:14, 6385:37,
6385:45, 6386:18,
6387:28, 6391:20,
6391:26, 6391:33
possibility [2] 6349:27, 6377:25
possible [6] 6346:37, 6347:14,
.05/02/2015
6383:3, 6386:3,
6392:37, 6392:46
possibly [2] - 6338:45,
6346:10
potential [2] - 6369:9,
6379:33
power [12] - 6317:30,
6317:37, 6319:6,
6319:7, 6319:17,
6319:21, 6319:24,
6320:1, 6320:39,
6324:4, 6380:25,
6384:10
practical [2] 6319:10, 6324:30
practically [4] 6317:39, 6319:22,
6319:33, 6319:38
practice [1] - 6331:31
prayed [1] - 6355:12
pre-2003 [1] - 6326:1
precise [1] - 6346:46
precisely [3] 6371:37, 6381:47,
6386:20
preference [1] 6387:1
pregnant [1] - 6355:32
premises [8] 6326:40, 6328:27,
6328:31, 6329:33,
6330:9, 6330:28,
6330:30, 6330:35
prepare [5] - 6322:2,
6330:23, 6342:33,
6342:34, 6343:23
prepared [8] 6314:29, 6314:30,
6314:31, 6314:36,
6321:46, 6366:47,
6375:15, 6389:16
preparing [4] 6314:41, 6315:19,
6336:17, 6337:13
presence [1] 6357:26
present [5] - 6329:26,
6369:45, 6371:12,
6371:39, 6373:47
presented [1] - 6324:6
presenting [1] 6380:42
preserve [1] - 6349:45
Presiding [1] 6313:34
PRESIDING [21] 6314:1, 6314:13,
6315:47, 6316:6,
6316:31, 6343:43,
6344:5, 6347:37,
6348:25, 6348:36,
6381:13, 6386:29,
6387:34, 6391:44,
6392:1, 6392:5,
6393:17, 6393:22,
6393:36, 6394:4,
6394:11
press [2] - 6336:16,
6364:40
presume [1] - 6362:28
pretty [1] - 6358:20
prevent [3] - 6369:2,
6369:10, 6369:11
prevented [1] 6378:19
previous [6] 6351:46, 6351:47,
6356:9, 6369:45,
6373:45, 6384:42
previously [6] 6320:5, 6357:23,
6358:30, 6370:9,
6382:8, 6387:12
principal [6] 6327:19, 6327:21,
6345:23, 6362:1,
6369:24, 6381:2
principle [1] - 6364:36
problem [1] - 6352:31
problems [1] 6342:11
procedure [4] 6320:25, 6320:28,
6320:42, 6320:43
procedures [3] 6373:33, 6375:46,
6382:24
proceedings [3] 6365:35, 6366:22,
6380:6
process [32] 6320:10, 6320:24,
6320:32, 6320:34,
6320:44, 6321:4,
6321:6, 6321:9,
6321:14, 6321:15,
6321:21, 6322:15,
6322:23, 6323:3,
6323:17, 6323:41,
6324:10, 6324:20,
6325:4, 6337:32,
6363:6, 6364:35,
6369:36, 6369:41,
6371:2, 6373:12,
6376:20, 6376:39,
6377:39, 6379:13,
6379:27
processes [3] 6331:17, 6376:29,
6376:35
produce [2] - 6362:15,

6362:22
produced [4] 6362:23, 6362:27,
6367:21, 6373:6
program [2] - 6325:38
programs [9] 6325:33, 6331:30,
6333:11, 6333:12,
6333:25, 6333:44,
6333:46, 6367:37,
6374:19
progress [1] - 6354:36
prohibition [1] 6381:45
prohibitions [1] 6382:5
project [1] - 6383:19
prompting [1] 6374:29
proper [4] - 6320:21,
6365:4, 6366:30,
6369:29
properly [1] - 6361:31
prophet [1] - 6383:40
proportion [1] 6383:11
propose [3] - 6314:10,
6368:1, 6385:34
proposes [1] 6372:45
proposition [3] 6348:27, 6348:33,
6348:38
propriety [1] - 6360:42
protect [3] - 6359:31,
6384:10, 6385:29
protecting [2] 6382:4, 6384:9
protection [2] 6365:27, 6380:12
protestations [1] 6371:33
protocol [7] - 6378:43,
6378:45, 6379:1,
6379:18, 6379:19,
6379:21, 6382:24
proud [1] - 6383:22
proved [2] - 6348:20,
6379:34
provide [10] - 6328:2,
6328:43, 6329:1,
6329:43, 6334:25,
6353:23, 6367:24,
6369:46, 6376:43,
6383:2
provided [10] 6326:45, 6327:47,
6328:42, 6329:30,
6331:23, 6366:35,
15
6375:26, 6381:24,
6383:28, 6387:18
provides [3] 6326:23, 6326:25,
6330:4
providing [3] 6333:18, 6383:9,
6387:26
provision [2] 6329:31, 6329:33
proximity [1] 6372:13
pseudonym [4] 6315:40, 6315:42,
6316:7
public [12] - 6313:14,
6357:40, 6363:44,
6364:3, 6364:11,
6366:12, 6384:34,
6385:39, 6387:12,
6389:30, 6389:43,
6390:45
publicly [4] - 6361:2,
6380:37, 6384:14,
6391:37
published [2] 6321:39, 6321:41
purchased [1] 6330:28
purport [1] - 6380:32
purpose [3] - 6315:32,
6321:18, 6372:4
purposes [3] 6326:29, 6345:42,
6372:1
pursue [1] - 6382:28
push [2] - 6351:29,
6351:32
put [7] - 6322:5,
6327:27, 6348:19,
6348:38, 6350:4,
6359:23, 6393:30
putting [3] - 6369:25,
6379:11, 6385:44
pyjama [1] - 6351:7
Q
qualification [6] 6319:43, 6385:2,
6392:31, 6392:32,
6393:10, 6393:11
qualifying [1] 6316:38
quality [1] - 6383:3
questioning [1] 6380:47
questions [22] 6316:36, 6317:12,
6317:31, 6318:34,
6319:11, 6325:43,
6325:44, 6329:14,
6331:16, 6332:10,
6332:16, 6340:9,
6341:41, 6343:5,
6344:8, 6361:45,
6373:8, 6379:38,
6386:24, 6386:39,
6391:42, 6392:3
quickly [3] - 6357:21,
6386:3, 6392:46
quiet [2] - 6355:29,
6356:16
quilt [4] - 6357:10,
6357:12, 6357:15,
6357:19
quite [12] - 6347:21,
6350:7, 6350:29,
6350:32, 6350:40,
6351:12, 6354:8,
6354:32, 6355:33,
6357:8, 6379:7,
6382:14
quote [1] - 6383:40
R
RABBI [3] - 6314:20,
6316:33, 6344:3
rabbi [99] - 6314:6,
6314:10, 6314:24,
6314:37, 6316:35,
6316:38, 6316:43,
6317:31, 6318:26,
6319:17, 6319:19,
6319:25, 6320:11,
6320:24, 6320:26,
6320:29, 6320:37,
6321:29, 6321:42,
6322:4, 6322:21,
6323:14, 6323:19,
6323:33, 6323:39,
6323:40, 6323:42,
6323:44, 6323:45,
6324:23, 6324:31,
6324:33, 6324:34,
6324:35, 6329:6,
6330:24, 6330:40,
6331:22, 6331:39,
6332:6, 6334:11,
6335:14, 6335:22,
6339:25, 6339:47,
6341:5, 6341:13,
6344:7, 6344:25,
6344:38, 6346:44,
6347:19, 6347:20,
6347:21, 6347:28,
6348:29, 6348:31,
6348:33, 6349:10,
6349:44, 6352:12,
6352:17, 6352:30,
.05/02/2015
6352:34, 6352:39,
6352:42, 6358:27,
6359:21, 6359:27,
6361:19, 6361:42,
6362:33, 6362:38,
6366:16, 6367:19,
6368:24, 6368:47,
6369:10, 6369:12,
6369:16, 6369:34,
6369:37, 6370:25,
6373:7, 6379:38,
6383:15, 6384:21,
6384:25, 6384:37,
6385:12, 6385:21,
6386:24, 6386:25,
6386:39, 6387:4,
6387:16, 6390:13
Rabbi [126] - 6314:7,
6314:15, 6314:16,
6315:47, 6336:10,
6336:12, 6336:18,
6336:20, 6336:23,
6336:26, 6336:28,
6337:2, 6338:2,
6338:7, 6338:34,
6339:23, 6339:36,
6340:1, 6340:2,
6340:32, 6341:9,
6341:15, 6341:17,
6341:29, 6341:36,
6342:10, 6342:39,
6342:44, 6342:45,
6343:5, 6343:6,
6343:13, 6343:27,
6343:43, 6344:9,
6344:30, 6345:30,
6347:42, 6347:43,
6348:1, 6348:2,
6348:31, 6348:39,
6349:2, 6349:10,
6349:13, 6349:20,
6349:26, 6349:28,
6352:11, 6353:7,
6353:8, 6353:10,
6353:15, 6354:42,
6355:17, 6355:20,
6355:42, 6358:4,
6358:10, 6358:41,
6359:7, 6359:8,
6359:12, 6359:17,
6360:18, 6360:24,
6360:35, 6360:42,
6360:46, 6361:14,
6361:39, 6361:44,
6362:3, 6362:29,
6364:6, 6364:20,
6366:40, 6366:45,
6367:5, 6367:7,
6367:15, 6367:26,
6368:43, 6370:21,
6370:39, 6370:47,
6374:6, 6375:46,
6376:34, 6378:1,
6379:1, 6379:44,
6384:21, 6384:22,
6385:34, 6386:12,
6386:15, 6386:29,
6386:30, 6386:41,
6387:1, 6387:25,
6387:30, 6387:38,
6388:1, 6388:21,
6388:33, 6389:9,
6389:10, 6389:12,
6389:15, 6389:38,
6390:12, 6390:13,
6390:23, 6390:26,
6391:42, 6392:10,
6392:11, 6392:39,
6393:19, 6393:22,
6393:44
rabbi's [3] - 6352:18,
6352:21, 6352:32
rabbinic [3] - 6320:15,
6320:18, 6324:12
Rabbinical [6] 6324:13, 6324:27,
6324:42, 6324:46,
6325:12, 6352:13
rabbinical [32] 6318:42, 6318:43,
6319:2, 6324:39,
6328:43, 6329:6,
6329:9, 6329:32,
6331:7, 6331:23,
6331:25, 6331:29,
6331:34, 6331:39,
6332:5, 6332:35,
6336:30, 6336:37,
6344:11, 6345:2,
6354:11, 6360:27,
6367:43, 6368:2,
6368:44, 6369:6,
6369:34, 6370:4,
6371:42, 6372:33,
6374:16, 6374:18
Rabbis [1] - 6365:15
rabbis [21] - 6324:14,
6324:25, 6325:1,
6328:43, 6329:6,
6329:8, 6329:32,
6330:18, 6331:23,
6331:25, 6333:4,
6336:41, 6354:17,
6354:18, 6363:22,
6363:27, 6363:32,
6365:4, 6368:1,
6390:39
race [2] - 6380:15,
6383:10
raise [3] - 6323:32,
6323:41, 6377:41
raised [3] - 6342:1,

6346:4, 6346:8
ramifications [2] 6319:10, 6380:22
ran [3] - 6326:8,
6329:17, 6342:10
rang [1] - 6357:42
range [1] - 6382:47
rare [1] - 6382:9
rather [5] - 6339:11,
6339:18, 6348:37,
6357:6, 6383:33
reached [8] - 6329:36,
6330:33, 6333:22,
6335:27, 6335:29,
6336:1, 6339:23,
6342:27
reaching [1] - 6351:23
read [20] - 6314:38,
6337:17, 6349:47,
6350:8, 6353:16,
6354:24, 6358:29,
6358:30, 6358:31,
6359:29, 6359:46,
6364:31, 6367:4,
6379:42, 6379:44,
6383:40, 6387:42,
6389:1, 6392:18,
6393:44
reading [4] - 6315:30,
6316:16, 6351:38,
6355:27
reads [1] - 6350:11
real [1] - 6324:4
realise [1] - 6352:9
realised [1] - 6347:25
really [13] - 6314:44,
6319:10, 6320:6,
6324:5, 6325:9,
6325:40, 6333:33,
6338:20, 6341:10,
6353:21, 6356:16,
6374:42, 6389:20
reason [6] - 6320:21,
6321:13, 6340:46,
6364:20, 6369:7,
6391:19
reasons [2] - 6320:17,
6381:36
Rebbe [1] - 6317:7
Rebbetzin [1] 6390:29
recalled [2] - 6344:3,
6344:19
receive [3] - 6363:27,
6369:33, 6387:8
received [13] 6339:26, 6339:46,
6349:11, 6359:37,
6360:35, 6362:29,
16
6368:44, 6369:1,
6373:14, 6378:13,
6378:38, 6382:30,
6391:3
receiving [2] 6380:31, 6384:25
recently [1] - 6382:30
recipients [1] 6383:12
recognised [2] 6320:6, 6360:47
recognising [1] 6320:1
recollection [18] 6319:33, 6333:47,
6334:3, 6335:35,
6340:17, 6340:25,
6341:8, 6341:42,
6342:41, 6343:32,
6344:22, 6346:13,
6346:28, 6347:6,
6361:28, 6370:35,
6373:11, 6374:41
recommendation [1] 6369:26
recommendations [1]
- 6368:10
recommended [1] 6370:8
recommends [1] 6368:25
record [5] - 6315:5,
6347:46, 6366:37,
6369:9, 6375:29
recorded [3] 6315:13, 6342:20,
6369:2
recording [2] 6362:26, 6372:2
records [7] - 6334:38,
6362:28, 6371:10,
6374:24, 6374:32,
6382:16
recruiting [1] - 6368:7
redacted [40] 6315:39, 6340:12,
6340:22, 6349:45,
6350:16, 6350:44,
6351:40, 6351:45,
6352:18, 6353:16,
6354:26, 6355:31,
6355:36, 6355:40,
6356:26, 6358:33,
6358:34, 6358:39,
6358:40, 6358:42,
6358:45, 6358:47,
6359:4, 6359:13,
6359:15, 6359:17,
6359:31, 6359:34,
6359:44, 6360:2,
6360:13, 6360:15,
6360:16, 6360:37,
6360:39, 6360:44,
6361:7, 6381:11,
6381:18
redacted's [1] 6360:28
redacted] [6] 6350:17, 6350:21,
6350:24, 6354:46,
6357:42, 6359:15
redactions [2] 6316:1, 6316:6
redress [1] - 6387:8
refer [10] - 6315:41,
6320:10, 6322:40,
6330:29, 6382:40,
6388:1, 6390:5,
6390:8, 6390:18,
6390:22
reference [4] - 6315:2,
6369:16, 6369:23,
6392:36
referred [5] - 6316:8,
6322:23, 6322:35,
6322:39, 6380:29
referring [9] 6315:15, 6315:40,
6316:3, 6319:40,
6333:38, 6338:20,
6338:31, 6364:7,
6367:14
refers [1] - 6328:27
refresh [3] - 6343:23,
6344:22, 6390:24
refreshed [1] 6343:34
refusing [1] - 6360:43
regard [5] - 6337:27,
6342:22, 6347:3,
6347:4, 6365:7
regarding [1] 6388:35
regardless [2] 6381:35, 6383:10
regimes [1] - 6381:47
registration [2] 6329:37, 6329:38
regulate [1] - 6342:18
reiterate [1] - 6384:7
relate [1] - 6355:23
relating [10] - 6318:12,
6322:47, 6345:41,
6347:6, 6366:36,
6366:43, 6371:41,
6372:22, 6372:35,
6381:45
relation [19] - 6331:10,
6332:4, 6336:20,
6336:33, 6339:14,
.05/02/2015
6344:15, 6356:37,
6364:3, 6364:31,
6365:37, 6372:40,
6376:30, 6377:29,
6379:40, 6385:22,
6386:18, 6387:29,
6387:30, 6394:1
relationship [5] 6322:32, 6325:18,
6354:13, 6360:30,
6369:5
relationships [2] 6325:24, 6356:9
release [4] - 6364:5,
6364:6, 6364:7,
6365:11
released [1] - 6357:18
relevant [4] - 6362:17,
6371:6, 6377:40,
6382:21
relief [1] - 6322:28
religion [3] - 6353:29,
6380:15, 6383:11
religious [24] 6326:23, 6326:24,
6327:4, 6327:46,
6328:3, 6328:5,
6328:15, 6328:36,
6328:42, 6328:44,
6329:30, 6329:44,
6330:5, 6331:24,
6333:12, 6333:44,
6333:45, 6367:37,
6388:30, 6392:44,
6393:1
remain [5] - 6317:18,
6318:29, 6318:33,
6330:42, 6330:46
remained [1] - 6333:5
remains [2] - 6386:20,
6389:35
remember [17] 6325:6, 6338:21,
6338:31, 6340:14,
6340:15, 6340:27,
6340:29, 6341:10,
6341:24, 6341:40,
6352:25, 6353:42,
6355:29, 6356:19,
6356:25, 6356:29,
6357:38
remind [1] - 6392:14
reminded [1] 6316:17
remotely [1] - 6356:7
repeat [1] - 6323:36
repeating [1] 6377:18
repentance [1] 6383:37
repetitious [1] 6348:23

rephrase [1] - 6323:36
report [7] - 6370:36,
6374:2, 6374:33,
6378:29, 6382:33,
6384:37, 6392:45
reported [9] - 6348:13,
6348:32, 6348:40,
6349:13, 6349:16,
6353:10, 6373:44,
6385:15, 6389:11
reporting [5] 6365:40, 6371:2,
6379:40, 6384:16,
6387:26
reports [5] - 6362:30,
6364:40, 6365:35,
6374:9, 6376:24
representation [1] 6381:25
representing [1] 6367:19
request [1] - 6345:39
requested [3] 6345:37, 6345:47,
6374:38
required [4] - 6354:7,
6375:2, 6375:47,
6386:33
requirement [1] 6363:20
requirements [1] 6345:3
resides [1] - 6320:40
resolve [2] - 6324:2,
6366:2
resolving [1] - 6325:1
resources [1] 6379:47
respect [2] - 6317:43,
6348:22
respectful [1] 6348:21
respectively [1] 6344:28
respects [1] - 6339:22
respond [1] - 6342:28
responded [2] 6315:11, 6382:33
responding [1] 6315:5
response [11] 6315:25, 6343:3,
6346:24, 6348:19,
6365:3, 6365:4,
6366:19, 6366:30,
6384:23, 6386:8,
6386:19
RESPONSES [1] -
6313:9
responsibilities [1] 6326:18
responsibility [5] 6330:40, 6334:7,
6361:1, 6362:11,
6379:18
responsible [8] 6327:2, 6345:40,
6348:10, 6362:1,
6368:7, 6371:4,
6371:5, 6391:26
rest [2] - 6367:5,
6372:44
resting [1] - 6351:22
result [7] - 6314:44,
6320:4, 6341:40,
6348:18, 6361:20,
6371:32, 6376:27
retain [2] - 6319:6,
6319:7
retrospect [1] 6378:41
return [2] - 6343:44,
6375:3
returned [3] - 6315:29,
6316:14, 6352:46
reveal [1] - 6374:37
revealed [1] - 6383:30
revelation [1] 6367:15
reviewed [1] - 6315:12
Richards [2] 6387:34, 6387:38
RICHARDS [2] 6387:36, 6387:38
right-hand [1] 6351:11
ring [2] - 6358:20,
6377:43
ringing [1] - 6356:23
rise [1] - 6393:29
risk [1] - 6374:2
road [1] - 6357:41
Robert [2] - 6313:35,
6350:22
role [26] - 6317:6,
6324:26, 6324:27,
6327:28, 6327:35,
6329:25, 6331:10,
6334:2, 6334:29,
6334:39, 6336:33,
6336:35, 6337:2,
6344:10, 6344:15,
6344:20, 6345:9,
6345:13, 6348:32,
6355:10, 6378:7,
6380:39, 6390:29,
6390:40, 6390:42,
6391:38
17
rolled [1] - 6357:1

rolling [1] - 6357:16
room [5] - 6350:42,
6350:47, 6356:19,
6357:29, 6375:41
roughly [1] - 6333:37
roundly [1] - 6381:39
ROYAL [1] - 6313:8
Royal [12] - 6314:29,
6314:37, 6336:17,
6342:33, 6342:35,
6362:15, 6362:21,
6373:7, 6380:1,
6382:18, 6385:40,
6393:23
ruling [8] - 6385:1,
6385:3, 6385:5,
6385:6, 6385:8,
6385:13, 6385:36
rumour [7] - 6346:37,
6346:38, 6347:14,
6347:15, 6347:16,
6347:17, 6347:24
rumours [2] - 6335:3,
6366:3
run [9] - 6319:1,
6330:9, 6330:34,
6331:17, 6331:18,
6335:18, 6336:46,
6364:22, 6383:15
running [1] - 6334:30
runs [1] - 6330:4
Russia [1] - 6382:1
S
Sabbath [1] - 6356:2
sacrosanct [1] 6381:34
safe [1] - 6365:42
safer [1] - 6384:19
safety [1] - 6380:1
sanction [2] - 6319:8,
6319:19
sanctioned [1] 6333:24
satisfied [2] 6327:45, 6369:28
save [2] - 6316:25,
6393:33
saw [2] - 6358:10,
6364:39
scared [1] - 6357:36
scars [1] - 6382:46
scene [2] - 6381:5,
6381:14
scenes [1] - 6326:45
school [65] - 6317:2,
6326:5, 6326:16,
6326:20, 6326:22,
6326:23, 6326:26,
6326:34, 6327:2,
6327:6, 6327:7,
6327:13, 6327:19,
6327:37, 6328:1,
6328:8, 6330:4,
6330:35, 6331:17,
6331:18, 6331:24,
6331:35, 6332:35,
6332:40, 6333:11,
6333:12, 6333:25,
6336:34, 6336:35,
6337:8, 6341:46,
6342:22, 6344:10,
6344:42, 6345:1,
6348:9, 6348:10,
6350:17, 6355:45,
6357:33, 6357:39,
6358:17, 6358:19,
6358:38, 6358:47,
6362:1, 6367:29,
6367:36, 6367:43,
6370:26, 6372:3,
6372:35, 6372:37,
6375:8, 6380:42,
6380:43, 6380:47,
6381:3, 6381:26,
6381:39, 6382:19,
6382:23, 6390:42
School [1] - 6326:17
schooled [3] - 6328:4,
6329:45, 6329:47
schooling [5] 6327:43, 6328:10,
6354:24, 6360:4,
6360:29
schools [4] - 6326:4,
6326:21, 6326:22,
6378:17
Schools [1] - 6375:23
scourge [2] - 6366:5,
6380:14
screen [3] - 6347:29,
6350:4, 6387:45
screening [2] 6368:3, 6368:33
scroll [3] - 6345:28,
6347:41, 6359:42
searches [1] - 6362:16
seated [2] - 6357:3,
6357:23
second [7] - 6314:30,
6314:35, 6316:26,
6346:26, 6350:36,
6355:27, 6376:14
secondary [1] 6360:4
secondly [2] 6385:19, 6387:29
seconds [1] - 6357:15
.05/02/2015
secular [5] - 6326:22,

6326:25, 6326:37,
6328:11, 6330:5
see [13] - 6316:11,
6322:10, 6326:28,
6326:33, 6343:27,
6343:28, 6349:8,
6350:7, 6355:17,
6359:6, 6375:31,
6375:40, 6383:46
seek [6] - 6317:27,
6317:29, 6318:38,
6324:42, 6330:21,
6385:27
seeker [1] - 6391:12
seeking [2] - 6322:27,
6389:6
segregated [2] 6327:11, 6327:12
Semitism [1] - 6382:4
send [1] - 6360:7
senior [5] - 6319:17,
6344:25, 6344:38,
6348:29, 6352:12
seniority [1] - 6344:34
sense [1] - 6356:21
sensitive [2] 6351:14, 6365:44
sent [2] - 6331:30,
6366:31
sentence [5] 6355:27, 6363:43,
6364:2, 6365:10,
6365:13
sentenced [1] 6365:1
sentencing [2] 6365:16, 6366:16
separate [7] 6322:17, 6326:3,
6326:25, 6326:28,
6372:1, 6372:4,
6372:35
separately [2] 6367:16, 6367:17
September [4] 6342:38, 6342:44,
6343:6, 6346:24
sequence [1] 6314:45
series [3] - 6316:36,
6340:8, 6356:14
serious [7] - 6342:12,
6347:23, 6364:38,
6370:46, 6374:3,
6377:6, 6377:35
serious" [1] - 6375:19
seriously [2] 6361:37, 6369:38
services [6] - 6326:45,
6329:1, 6332:34,
6334:25, 6354:21,
6387:18
servitude [1] 6383:44
set [4] - 6318:23,
6329:39, 6332:14,
6371:29
sets [3] - 6322:8,
6369:42, 6386:6
settled [1] - 6354:2
seven [1] - 6350:31
seventh [1] - 6353:27
several [3] - 6339:41,
6357:15, 6358:10
severe [1] - 6380:45
sex [1] - 6392:23
SEXUAL [1] - 6313:9
sexual [35] - 6337:7,
6337:32, 6349:12,
6349:27, 6356:7,
6361:15, 6361:20,
6363:11, 6363:15,
6363:24, 6363:29,
6365:5, 6365:19,
6365:26, 6365:32,
6365:38, 6366:6,
6369:11, 6369:35,
6371:44, 6372:12,
6372:27, 6372:32,
6378:13, 6379:23,
6382:20, 6382:31,
6384:24, 6385:26,
6386:8, 6386:12,
6387:19, 6389:34,
6391:33, 6392:46
sexuality [1] - 6369:14
sexually [3] - 6339:15,
6377:44, 6389:27
Shabbat [1] - 6350:15
shabbos [1] - 6356:3
shakes [1] - 6336:43
shape [2] - 6346:41,
6380:10
share [3] - 6332:44,
6383:45, 6391:27
shared [1] - 6371:14
sharing [1] - 6380:37
shelter [1] - 6383:9
shirk [1] - 6381:20
shirt [1] - 6351:7
shocked [1] - 6356:29
SHORT [1] - 6386:36
short [6] - 6351:18,
6355:4, 6361:42,
6386:31, 6386:34
shortly [3] - 6370:29,
6381:22, 6386:40
Shortly [1] - 6339:36
shouting [1] - 6381:15
show [2] - 6349:41,

6349:42
showed [1] - 6389:6
shown [2] - 6316:1,
6392:16
shunning [1] 6385:30
side [5] - 6351:5,
6351:11, 6351:22,
6357:20, 6357:22
sides [1] - 6360:43
significant [1] 6332:37
signing [1] - 6321:7
similar [8] - 6323:5,
6341:29, 6341:42,
6344:29, 6344:34,
6352:23, 6352:27,
6352:36
similarly [2] - 6332:4,
6359:26
Simons [6] - 6359:8,
6370:25, 6371:14,
6371:30, 6374:8,
6374:44
simply [5] - 6333:1,
6338:9, 6340:44,
6343:23, 6345:39
single [1] - 6394:2
sins [1] - 6347:20
sister [2] - 6332:30,
6354:26
sister's [3] - 6350:23,
6353:5, 6354:36
sisters [1] - 6353:31
sit [1] - 6356:3
sitting [2] - 6356:28,
6371:25
situation [9] 6318:37, 6321:31,
6324:30, 6325:45,
6355:33, 6368:14,
6369:17, 6375:16,
6381:1
six [1] - 6350:30
sized [1] - 6350:41
Slavin [1] - 6330:41
sleep [4] - 6350:46,
6350:47, 6351:18,
6351:47
sleeping [3] 6350:20, 6350:39,
6350:45
slept [2] - 6340:14,
6351:11
slight [1] - 6350:31
slightly [4] - 6314:46,
6323:30, 6344:31,
6357:13
slim [1] - 6355:5
18
small [2] - 6350:7,

6360:10
social [1] - 6382:44
society [4] - 6380:2,
6380:12, 6382:44,
6383:7
sofa [3] - 6357:1,
6357:20, 6357:22
solemn [1] - 6380:24
solution [1] - 6381:27
someone [18] 6319:41, 6320:45,
6321:30, 6323:18,
6331:35, 6338:45,
6342:2, 6348:12,
6356:18, 6361:7,
6366:11, 6367:9,
6370:30, 6373:13,
6377:44, 6380:34,
6384:29, 6391:33
someone] [1] 6350:16
somewhere [1] 6357:10
son [25] - 6322:5,
6325:11, 6329:11,
6331:7, 6342:39,
6342:45, 6343:6,
6345:36, 6364:13,
6364:16, 6367:14,
6371:25, 6371:38,
6373:44, 6374:3,
6375:41, 6376:8,
6377:29, 6381:18,
6390:9, 6390:12,
6390:13, 6391:25,
6391:26
sons [1] - 6390:39
soon [1] - 6359:2
sorry [18] - 6315:15,
6315:21, 6315:43,
6316:11, 6319:6,
6336:11, 6339:35,
6347:13, 6347:29,
6358:29, 6363:46,
6367:10, 6380:20,
6380:22, 6381:7,
6384:8, 6388:7
sort [2] - 6317:43,
6353:9
sorted [1] - 6350:39
South [48] - 6314:25,
6316:39, 6316:40,
6316:44, 6317:1,
6317:8, 6317:11,
6317:13, 6317:20,
6318:3, 6318:30,
6318:34, 6319:8,
6319:15, 6319:45,
6320:26, 6320:27,
6320:44, 6321:39,
6322:12, 6322:33,
6322:47, 6323:17,
6323:25, 6323:32,
6324:27, 6324:42,
6324:46, 6325:5,
6325:12, 6325:16,
6325:27, 6327:16,
6344:35, 6374:20,
6379:43, 6380:18,
6384:9, 6384:16,
6384:43, 6385:14,
6385:37, 6385:42,
6386:1, 6386:9,
6386:19, 6387:28
south [3] - 6353:46,
6354:19, 6374:12
speaking [10] 6314:26, 6339:37,
6340:36, 6341:9,
6341:43, 6342:8,
6344:39, 6344:47,
6347:5, 6368:4
special [1] - 6389:23
specific [6] - 6329:13,
6341:11, 6347:22,
6349:30, 6362:41,
6371:41
specifically [1] 6371:4
specifics [2] 6338:31, 6346:31
specify [1] - 6339:11
spell [1] - 6334:13
spent [2] - 6326:35,
6326:36
spiritual [18] 6316:43, 6317:12,
6317:31, 6318:33,
6318:41, 6318:43,
6319:2, 6324:4,
6327:17, 6327:18,
6327:22, 6330:46,
6331:3, 6331:11,
6341:47, 6380:40,
6382:40, 6391:34
split [1] - 6326:42
spoken [5] - 6336:26,
6337:12, 6341:37,
6346:9, 6346:10
sponsored [1] 6382:4
spreading [1] - 6366:3
staff [8] - 6329:1,
6329:31, 6333:17,
6348:11, 6349:34,
6349:37, 6380:44,
6381:1
stage [5] - 6325:11,
6331:45, 6336:12,
.05/02/2015
6364:11, 6371:19
standing [2] 6368:13, 6368:28
start [5] - 6321:6,
6360:5, 6363:18,
6370:5, 6379:45
started [7] - 6335:39,
6351:30, 6353:44,
6360:6, 6380:39,
6380:47, 6383:18
starting [1] - 6353:43
STAT.0449.001.0025
[1] - 6364:5
state [7] - 6318:3,
6318:30, 6357:7,
6382:4, 6382:37,
6384:14, 6384:21
state-sponsored [1] 6382:4
statement [74] 6314:16, 6314:35,
6314:36, 6315:9,
6315:24, 6315:38,
6316:1, 6316:2,
6316:14, 6316:26,
6316:37, 6327:26,
6327:42, 6330:27,
6330:39, 6331:16,
6332:14, 6334:4,
6336:8, 6337:17,
6337:27, 6341:36,
6342:33, 6342:35,
6349:44, 6353:15,
6355:23, 6357:46,
6358:28, 6358:30,
6359:26, 6359:28,
6359:29, 6359:30,
6359:37, 6359:41,
6359:47, 6362:33,
6364:1, 6364:3,
6364:11, 6366:12,
6366:35, 6366:42,
6366:45, 6366:47,
6367:8, 6367:10,
6367:14, 6368:1,
6370:2, 6377:28,
6379:42, 6379:44,
6385:5, 6385:36,
6385:38, 6385:39,
6387:12, 6387:41,
6389:44, 6389:45,
6390:18, 6390:22,
6390:26, 6391:19,
6392:18, 6392:25,
6392:34, 6392:40,
6393:4
STATEMENTS [2] 6316:33, 6394:6
statements [10] 6314:29, 6314:38,
6314:43, 6316:29,
6321:47, 6361:12,
6365:6, 6365:9,
6366:46, 6393:47
States [5] - 6315:30,
6316:15, 6316:18,
6316:22, 6352:45
station [1] - 6381:23
stay [16] - 6336:2,
6338:10, 6338:38,
6338:41, 6338:46,
6341:37, 6350:21,
6350:23, 6351:12,
6355:43, 6360:15,
6360:40, 6376:40,
6377:18, 6377:24,
6387:1
stayed [2] - 6350:34,
6350:35
staying [3] - 6341:6,
6347:44, 6350:44
STCA [8] - 6326:3,
6329:18, 6329:22,
6329:25, 6330:14,
6330:33, 6367:39,
6367:42
steer [1] - 6366:2
step [3] - 6319:44,
6321:35, 6365:43
steps [5] - 6315:5,
6321:29, 6322:21,
6322:22, 6342:28
still [8] - 6328:23,
6329:18, 6331:31,
6351:12, 6355:31,
6370:1, 6383:15,
6390:10
stilling [1] - 6379:25
stood [1] - 6357:19
stop [8] - 6323:14,
6323:19, 6336:25,
6336:27, 6337:13,
6355:17, 6377:42
story [2] - 6358:14,
6358:15
street [1] - 6353:40
Street [7] - 6313:20,
6317:3, 6328:32,
6330:10, 6330:30,
6330:36, 6352:14
strength [2] - 6319:12,
6365:22
Strickland [1] 6391:44
STRICKLAND [2] 6391:46, 6392:36
stroking [1] - 6359:20
strong [2] - 6361:34,
6366:35
stronger [1] - 6366:31
structures [1] 6326:29

student [36] - 6326:34,
6326:40, 6330:21,
6331:34, 6331:39,
6332:6, 6332:40,
6336:37, 6349:46,
6350:28, 6354:18,
6354:27, 6364:26,
6364:32, 6368:10,
6368:11, 6368:26,
6368:44, 6368:46,
6369:6, 6369:9,
6369:19, 6369:33,
6369:34, 6369:37,
6370:4, 6370:11,
6372:3, 6374:16,
6374:20, 6377:36,
6378:8, 6382:26,
6388:5, 6388:40,
6388:46
students [25] 6325:31, 6328:43,
6329:7, 6329:9,
6329:32, 6331:13,
6331:23, 6331:25,
6331:26, 6331:29,
6336:30, 6344:11,
6344:20, 6360:27,
6361:40, 6362:12,
6368:1, 6368:3,
6368:4, 6368:5,
6368:7, 6368:9,
6371:5, 6374:18,
6380:42
studies [28] - 6326:24,
6326:25, 6326:31,
6326:36, 6326:37,
6326:42, 6327:4,
6327:6, 6328:3,
6328:5, 6328:36,
6329:2, 6329:30,
6329:38, 6330:5,
6330:22, 6331:24,
6334:5, 6358:43,
6363:19, 6369:30,
6370:6, 6371:42,
6372:8, 6372:33,
6382:23, 6388:30
Study [1] - 6313:14
study [5] - 6358:36,
6359:34, 6359:44,
6360:2, 6363:23
studying [1] - 6358:40
subject [8] - 6331:26,
6331:35, 6331:40,
6332:7, 6363:35,
6380:44, 6382:3,
6385:29
subjective [1] -
19
6368:40
submission [1] 6348:21
submit [3] - 6321:8,
6321:13, 6321:14
submitting [1] 6322:16
subsequent [3] 6317:16, 6318:13,
6381:43
subsequently [2] 6329:12, 6375:39
substance [2] 6373:17, 6373:28
substantial [1] 6381:29
succeeded [1] 6369:30
suffer [3] - 6380:10,
6380:22, 6382:47
suffered [5] - 6380:20,
6381:16, 6384:8,
6384:12, 6387:19
suffering [3] - 6380:8,
6380:26, 6380:33
suffers [1] - 6391:38
sufficient [2] 6329:35, 6384:24
sufficiently [1] 6328:6
suggest [4] - 6319:35,
6339:47, 6352:36,
6393:1
suggested [3] 6349:26, 6351:42,
6352:35
suggesting [1] 6361:14
suggestion [7] 6335:47, 6363:30,
6378:28, 6378:36,
6384:36, 6384:42,
6384:44
suggestions [1] 6343:32
suitabilities [1] 6368:18
suitability [2] 6368:12, 6368:29
suitable [2] - 6368:10,
6368:11
sum [1] - 6335:24
summarise [1] 6357:32
summer [1] - 6359:2
summons [1] 6362:15
summonses [1] 6362:22
supplementary [1] -
6387:41
supplies [2] - 6334:1
support [8] - 6383:2,
6383:10, 6383:31,
6384:11, 6389:39,
6389:44, 6390:46,
6391:1
supporters [1] 6391:39
supporting [1] 6366:33
supportive [2] 6324:35, 6383:25
suppose [4] 6362:19, 6363:2,
6368:12, 6378:26
Supreme [2] - 6325:27
survivor [1] - 6381:17
survivors [2] 6381:30, 6381:43
suspended [2] 6363:43, 6365:13
Sydney [31] - 6322:22,
6324:14, 6324:28,
6324:39, 6325:35,
6325:36, 6325:38,
6326:1, 6326:2,
6329:8, 6332:27,
6344:33, 6352:13,
6354:8, 6358:35,
6358:38, 6358:45,
6360:22, 6365:18,
6368:8, 6368:11,
6377:1, 6380:40,
6382:10, 6382:19,
6382:26, 6383:7,
6383:18, 6383:29,
6388:6, 6390:41
Synagogue [1] 6374:21
synagogue [8] 6323:39, 6323:47,
6336:45, 6350:19,
6353:1, 6353:41,
6354:34, 6374:12
synagogues [3] 6353:47, 6374:19,
6383:41
systems [1] - 6320:32
T
t-shirt [1] - 6351:7
tab [3] - 6337:34,
6343:26, 6373:5
table [5] - 6314:16,
6349:42, 6353:14,
6358:27, 6386:33
tabs [2] - 6393:33,
6393:37
.05/02/2015
TABS [1] - 6393:40

tacitly [1] - 6360:47
Talmudical [1] 6326:2
teacher [3] - 6345:17,
6368:23, 6382:20
teacher's [2] - 6375:5,
6375:7
teachers [5] - 6329:3,
6329:5, 6363:7,
6363:14
teaches [2] - 6331:35,
6331:39
teaching [5] 6329:10, 6344:42,
6345:3, 6345:9,
6375:8
teenage [2] - 6335:41,
6383:29
teenager [1] - 6352:37
teenagers [1] 6338:29
teens [1] - 6335:43
telephone [2] 6356:22, 6357:40
television [1] 6356:43
temperament [1] 6368:29
tendencies [6] 6333:30, 6333:39,
6335:4, 6335:15,
6335:20, 6335:25
tender [7] - 6316:29,
6367:21, 6393:31,
6393:32, 6393:34,
6393:37
TENDER [1] - 6393:40
tendered [3] 6314:47, 6393:33,
6394:1
tendering [1] 6393:29
term [3] - 6322:40,
6328:28, 6358:46
terms [15] - 6319:42,
6322:13, 6326:33,
6329:16, 6342:28,
6354:30, 6363:34,
6366:28, 6367:27,
6367:41, 6368:29,
6370:40, 6377:39,
6384:29, 6387:27
terrified [1] - 6357:36
territory [2] - 6318:9,
6319:18
tested [1] - 6330:23
testified [1] - 6383:27
tests [1] - 6331:12
thanking [1] - 6379:45
THE [24] - 6314:1,

6314:13, 6315:47,
6316:6, 6316:31,
6343:43, 6343:46,
6344:5, 6347:37,
6348:25, 6348:36,
6381:13, 6386:29,
6387:34, 6391:44,
6392:1, 6392:5,
6393:17, 6393:22,
6393:26, 6393:36,
6394:4, 6394:11,
6394:14
themselves [8] 6317:38, 6318:26,
6323:11, 6323:19,
6368:4, 6381:31,
6381:33, 6381:42
theoretically [4] 6319:21, 6319:24,
6319:27, 6319:35
thereafter [2] 6351:29, 6361:11
therefore [6] - 6320:4,
6327:21, 6328:1,
6334:33, 6345:22,
6376:47
thin [1] - 6351:26
thinks [1] - 6359:21
third [2] - 6347:33,
6347:34
thirdly [1] - 6385:26
three [2] - 6355:12,
6364:43
throughout [3] 6382:39, 6383:14,
6383:41
throwing [1] - 6391:37
Thursday [1] 6313:26
ticket [3] - 6377:20,
6377:42
timeline [2] - 6370:32,
6372:27
tinted [1] - 6355:7
tired [1] - 6350:40
title [1] - 6330:24
TO [2] - 6313:9,
6394:14
today [4] - 6317:35,
6317:41, 6385:46,
6393:44
today's [2] - 6317:18,
6334:37
together [4] - 6322:5,
6326:23, 6356:3,
6371:25
tomorrow [4] 6371:30, 6386:26,
6386:47, 6394:11
toned [1] - 6350:32

took [8] - 6328:34,
6346:33, 6346:36,
6351:29, 6367:42,
6381:4, 6389:1,
6389:7
top [3] - 6346:25,
6350:35, 6351:20
topic [7] - 6319:46,
6343:41, 6347:6,
6347:8, 6347:12,
6347:21, 6347:26
topics [1] - 6356:6
Torah [1] - 6327:34
total [2] - 6335:24,
6379:5
totally [5] - 6318:13,
6319:26, 6325:26,
6371:27, 6372:35
touch [1] - 6357:27
touched [4] - 6352:26,
6357:14, 6360:38,
6361:41
touching [2] 6340:17, 6374:24
towards [3] - 6366:5,
6366:6, 6383:24
tradition [2] - 6354:1,
6354:2
trained [1] - 6363:22
training [11] 6330:17, 6336:41,
6363:10, 6363:12,
6363:14, 6363:23,
6363:28, 6363:33,
6368:2, 6369:34,
6383:28
transcript [4] 6345:37, 6346:1,
6388:16, 6392:41
traumas [1] - 6383:4
travel [2] - 6325:32,
6354:8
travelled [2] - 6317:1,
6352:44
travels [1] - 6355:21
treasured [1] 6380:11
treated [1] - 6382:2
tried [1] - 6351:32
trigger [1] - 6320:44
Triguboff [1] 6330:29
truth [4] - 6343:38,
6345:44, 6346:38,
6347:16
truthful [1] - 6343:36
try [3] - 6342:40,
6391:27
trying [2] - 6351:29,
20
6367:6
tumultuous [1] 6365:30
turning [1] - 6356:30
Tuvel [1] - 6359:9
twenties [1] - 6350:27
twice [2] - 6359:38,
6388:47
two [14] - 6314:29,
6316:29, 6326:3,
6326:16, 6326:19,
6326:25, 6326:46,
6356:26, 6364:42,
6380:39, 6388:6,
6388:27, 6388:39,
6390:39
TWO [1] - 6316:33
type [5] - 6321:3,
6333:45, 6334:2,
6334:7, 6369:14
types [1] - 6391:2
U
ultimate [1] - 6320:1
ultimately [5] 6320:35, 6320:45,
6321:31, 6363:39,
6368:46
umbrella [1] - 6319:16
unable [1] - 6380:5
uncomfortable [1] 6351:35
uncontrollable [1] 6381:1
under [11] - 6318:24,
6318:35, 6330:39,
6354:9, 6354:41,
6362:7, 6365:34,
6376:29, 6377:10,
6380:17, 6381:35
undergone [1] 6363:14
underneath [1] 6351:19
understood [10] 6348:36, 6348:40,
6350:18, 6350:27,
6364:42, 6370:45,
6370:47, 6376:27,
6377:23, 6378:1
undertake [10] 6320:34, 6321:35,
6325:32, 6331:24,
6363:23, 6368:2,
6370:6, 6385:44,
6386:5, 6393:29
undertaken [10] 6320:11, 6320:25,
6322:24, 6333:10,
6366:27, 6367:27,
6368:3, 6369:41,
6376:36, 6387:16
undertaking [1] 6333:17
unfold [1] - 6379:13
unfortunately [1] 6382:8
uniform [1] - 6357:33
unique [1] - 6382:9
unit [2] - 6350:23,
6350:34
United [5] - 6315:30,
6316:15, 6316:18,
6316:22, 6352:44
university [1] 6350:28
unless [2] - 6314:9,
6342:11
unlock [1] - 6383:43
untie [1] - 6383:43
unwanted [1] 6335:28
up [32] - 6315:38,
6318:23, 6321:7,
6325:37, 6329:39,
6337:35, 6340:7,
6347:31, 6349:4,
6349:43, 6350:6,
6351:19, 6353:13,
6353:27, 6353:28,
6354:47, 6356:16,
6357:10, 6357:13,
6357:19, 6358:25,
6359:20, 6359:22,
6360:33, 6364:4,
6366:42, 6371:29,
6373:5, 6376:41,
6387:45, 6389:6
upbringing [1] 6355:35
updated [1] - 6393:44
upheld [1] - 6380:3
V
vacated [1] - 6375:41
vague [4] - 6341:8,
6341:42, 6346:13,
6346:32
vaguely [1] - 6353:41
validity [2] - 6320:22,
6379:36
various [14] - 6315:10,
6325:32, 6327:27,
6332:14, 6333:11,
6337:32, 6355:47,
6360:14, 6367:27,
6367:39, 6376:24,
6379:39, 6381:32,
.05/02/2015
6393:47
verse [2] - 6325:6,
6389:12
vesting [1] - 6330:40
Vic [1] - 6365:35
victim [12] - 6335:30,
6337:36, 6353:8,
6358:28, 6359:46,
6361:13, 6365:38,
6388:1, 6389:34,
6391:11, 6391:32,
6391:38
victims [18] - 6352:11,
6352:25, 6365:21,
6365:24, 6365:42,
6366:32, 6366:33,
6380:9, 6380:20,
6380:28, 6383:22,
6383:27, 6384:7,
6385:26, 6387:7,
6387:13, 6387:17,
6393:47
Victoria [2] - 6313:19,
6325:28
view [4] - 6321:16,
6321:23, 6348:18,
6384:46
views [2] - 6391:27
violently [1] - 6380:47
visibly [1] - 6374:27
visit [1] - 6354:19
volunteer [2] 6335:18, 6352:15
volunteers [1] 6333:18
vow [1] - 6384:10
vulnerable [4] 6363:2, 6363:7,
6380:3, 6383:6
W
wagon [2] - 6381:4,
6381:15
waited [1] - 6358:9
wake [1] - 6356:16
Waks [11] - 6387:39,
6388:2, 6388:5,
6388:27, 6389:5,
6389:17, 6389:35,
6390:46, 6391:6,
6391:10
Wales [47] - 6314:25,
6316:39, 6316:40,
6316:44, 6317:1,
6317:8, 6317:11,
6317:13, 6317:20,
6318:3, 6318:30,
6318:34, 6319:9,
6319:15, 6319:45,
6320:26, 6320:27,
6320:44, 6321:39,
6322:12, 6322:33,
6322:47, 6323:18,
6323:25, 6323:32,
6324:28, 6324:43,
6324:46, 6325:5,
6325:12, 6325:17,
6325:27, 6327:17,
6344:35, 6379:43,
6380:18, 6384:9,
6384:16, 6384:43,
6385:14, 6385:37,
6385:42, 6386:1,
6386:9, 6386:20,
6387:28
walk [2] - 6355:45,
6356:24
walked [4] - 6357:19,
6357:28, 6357:40,
6358:9
wall [2] - 6357:1,
6357:2
wants [2] - 6377:17,
6377:18
WAS [1] - 6394:14
watch [4] - 6357:38,
6362:7, 6381:5,
6381:14
watching [1] 6385:40
water [4] - 6350:41,
6350:45, 6351:1,
6351:13
wearing [1] - 6351:7
week [1] - 6373:45
weekends [1] - 6356:2
welcome [1] - 6383:45
whatsoever [1] 6392:22
whereby [2] - 6330:33,
6379:13
whilst [4] - 6322:28,
6337:3, 6380:14,
6380:16
whole [6] - 6326:41,
6333:5, 6345:42,
6356:32, 6357:6,
6393:32
wickedness [1] 6383:43
wife [8] - 6339:44,
6390:15, 6390:16,
6390:18, 6390:22,
6390:32, 6390:40,
6391:23
William [1] - 6313:20
wiry [1] - 6351:26
wish [6] - 6314:42,
6316:15, 6316:21,
6316:26, 6379:41,
6387:7
wished [2] - 6323:32,
6378:3
wishes [2] - 6330:21,
6384:29
withdraw [1] 6339:36
WITHDREW [2] 6343:46, 6393:26
Witness [11] 6316:19, 6325:22,
6326:43, 6328:21,
6333:31, 6334:20,
6336:31, 6344:12,
6355:25, 6372:5,
6376:16
witness [5] - 6336:18,
6336:43, 6348:28,
6348:37, 6358:29
WITNESS [2] 6343:46, 6393:26
witness's [1] 6359:32
witnesses [1] 6393:47
woke [1] - 6351:19
woken [1] - 6359:19
Wollongong [1] 6350:28
wonder [1] - 6392:14
wondering [1] 6366:25
word [1] - 6321:8
words [9] - 6333:8,
6351:41, 6352:22,
6352:30, 6360:36,
6371:1, 6388:29,
6391:15, 6391:18
wore [2] - 6355:6,
6355:30
workable [1] 6381:27
works [1] - 6324:33
world [2] - 6334:16,
6383:41
worldwide [1] 6322:36
worrying [3] 6321:22, 6321:24
worst [1] - 6348:17
worthwhile [1] 6343:34
wrangling [1] 6393:31
writing [1] - 6342:30
written [1] - 6362:30
wrote [3] - 6315:29,
6334:4, 6361:33
21
Y
year [7] - 6342:38,
6342:45, 6350:2,
6350:13, 6353:20,
6360:5, 6360:6
years [24] - 6319:47,
6320:47, 6321:11,
6321:46, 6323:47,
6325:7, 6335:41,
6337:44, 6338:30,
6353:40, 6354:28,
6354:42, 6357:43,
6358:33, 6360:3,
6380:38, 6380:39,
6383:7, 6383:13,
6383:18, 6383:29,
6386:14, 6389:9
Yeshiva [141] - 6317:2,
6318:17, 6318:44,
6325:17, 6325:18,
6325:42, 6326:1,
6326:4, 6326:5,
6326:8, 6326:10,
6326:17, 6327:7,
6327:9, 6327:17,
6327:22, 6327:28,
6327:32, 6327:34,
6327:37, 6328:5,
6328:15, 6328:20,
6328:27, 6328:28,
6328:35, 6328:44,
6329:16, 6329:18,
6329:19, 6329:29,
6329:31, 6329:39,
6329:43, 6330:3,
6330:9, 6330:13,
6330:16, 6330:34,
6330:35, 6330:42,
6330:43, 6331:3,
6331:10, 6331:17,
6331:18, 6331:20,
6331:40, 6332:34,
6333:3, 6333:10,
6333:16, 6333:24,
6335:9, 6335:11,
6335:17, 6335:18,
6335:34, 6335:40,
6336:13, 6336:29,
6336:33, 6336:46,
6337:3, 6339:28,
6342:8, 6342:10,
6342:23, 6342:27,
6344:10, 6344:15,
6344:21, 6345:5,
6345:6, 6345:10,
6345:13, 6345:19,
6345:23, 6348:3,
6348:30, 6352:14,
6354:14, 6354:15,
6354:18, 6354:27,
6354:31, 6354:33,
6354:34, 6354:37,
6354:38, 6354:39,
6355:2, 6355:10,
6358:9, 6358:35,
6358:37, 6359:35,
6360:2, 6360:29,
6361:3, 6361:19,
6362:27, 6363:23,
6363:44, 6364:8,
6364:23, 6364:26,
6364:44, 6366:12,
6366:20, 6367:28,
6367:38, 6372:3,
6372:4, 6372:23,
6374:12, 6380:40,
6381:29, 6382:9,
6382:19, 6382:30,
6382:40, 6383:7,
6383:15, 6383:18,
6383:29, 6384:9,
6387:6, 6387:16,
6387:22, 6388:6,
6388:28, 6389:17,
6389:21, 6390:16,
6390:41
Yeshivah [1] 6325:18
yesterday [4] 6367:1, 6368:43,
6369:1, 6392:11
Yom [2] - 6383:36,
6383:41
York [16] - 6319:47,
6320:2, 6320:14,
6322:29, 6322:33,
6322:34, 6322:39,
6322:40, 6322:41,
6323:5, 6323:23,
6323:24, 6352:44,
6387:26
Yosef [6] - 6314:7,
6367:15, 6376:8,
6377:29, 6390:12,
6390:13
young [10] - 6337:36,
6339:15, 6340:1,
6342:14, 6342:19,
6347:2, 6347:44,
6361:42, 6364:32,
6383:33
younger [11] - 6336:2,
6337:39, 6337:44,
6339:5, 6339:25,
6339:28, 6341:32,
6341:38, 6342:29,
6344:31, 6352:7
youngster [1] 6332:45
.05/02/2015
yourself [7] - 6316:17,

6341:37, 6342:27,
6363:10, 6371:38,
6386:19, 6390:39
youth [14] - 6325:36,
6325:37, 6331:30,
6331:31, 6332:5,
6332:36, 6333:11,
6333:25, 6336:46,
6367:32, 6367:37,
6367:44, 6374:19
Youth [1] - 6333:12
YSV.0005.001.0015
[2] - 6347:32,
6347:35
YSV.0005.001.0017
[1] - 6347:28
YSV.0005.001.0020_
R [1] - 6343:26
Z
Zeb [2] - 6371:14,
6371:30
Zephaniah [1] 6387:39
Zion [2] - 6353:47,
6354:20
ZS [4] - 6373:46,
6374:39, 6374:45,
6375:1
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ROYAL COMMISSION INTO INSTITUTIONAL

RESPONSES TO CHILD SEXUAL ABUSE

Public Hearing - Case Study 22

Court 3.3, County Court of Victoria

On Thursday, 5 February 2015 at 11.30am

Justice Jennifer Ann Coate

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THE PRESIDING MEMBER:

Good morning, Ms Gerace.

P FELDMAN (Ms Gerace)

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Is that a reference to the notes of Bill Conway?

That's all right.

THE PRESIDING MEMBER:

Rabbi Feldman, I think you are

P FELDMAN (Ms Gerace)

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being shown a copy of your statement with the redactions in

I tender those two statements, Your Honour.

THE PRESIDING MEMBER:

EXHIBIT #22-22 TWO STATEMENTS OF RABBI PINCHUS FELDMAN

P FELDMAN (Ms Gerace)

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May I ask something.

Has that changed, that position,

P FELDMAN (Ms Gerace)

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P FELDMAN (Ms Gerace)

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P FELDMAN (Ms Gerace)

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has the ultimate power of recognising emissaries outside of

P FELDMAN (Ms Gerace)

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we have formalised things a little bit more where if

P FELDMAN (Ms Gerace)

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to how we expect an emissary to behave. But I do not have

Do you know what the document is called, Rabbi?

P FELDMAN (Ms Gerace)

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an emissary, and once the emissary is appointed he is

But that wouldn't stop them from being a rabbi?

P FELDMAN (Ms Gerace)

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who have approached me and I have encouraged all parties to

P FELDMAN (Ms Gerace)

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resolving complaints against rabbis?

Other than you are both Chabad organisations?

P FELDMAN (Ms Gerace)

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Paragraph 4.1 I'm asking you about?

P FELDMAN (Ms Gerace)

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But they included a boys

P FELDMAN (Ms Gerace)

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that they would home school their children and therefore

Organised by the parents at the Yeshiva Centre?

And those premises being at?

They were organised by the parents?

And how did it facilitate that education?

P FELDMAN (Ms Gerace)