Sky Striping #chemTrails And How It Might Work (Or Not) A Local Chemist Looks At

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Sky Striping And How It Might Work (Or Not); A Local Chemist Looks At The Science
Saturday, August 30, 2014 - by David Tulis
The skies over Hamilton County are crisscrossed heavily Friday evening Aug. 29, 2014,
as seen from a shed in Soddy-Daisy
The skies over Hamilton County are crisscrossed heavily Friday evening Aug. 29,
2014, as seen from a shed in Soddy-Daisy
- photo by David Tulis
Ringgold, Ga., chemist Robert Saccis official position on sky striping is that of skeptic.
That makes his discussion about stratospheric aerosol geo-engineering all the more
fascinating. He establishes basic points about weather management:
Man can dim the sun by policy, just as volcanoes dim it by eruptive excitement and
towers of ash.
The material that would give the most bang for the black-budget buck is a light
metal, such as aluminum.
Science is able to make aluminum particles stay aloft by a dot of barium for each
nanodisk sent aloft.
Dr. Saccis theoretical solar shield is one of three possible ways to make the sun less
powerful.
Others include reflective colors on the ground and the green agenda.
Putting aluminum nanoparticulate into fuel as a lubricant would work to create
artificial clouds.
The industrial creation of a bright atmospheric mist such as the kind that often
blankets Chattanooga has a downside: It might not let heat escape.
More people have taken notice of the modern sky. They are observing what appears to
be a program of horizon-to-horizon plumes that spread into a drifting haze and blot the
sun. If Dr. Saccis observation about the danger of a feedback loop is right, we might
surmise that federal intervention over the skies is worsening the purported current trend
toward warmer temps.
Here's our July 29, 2014, conversation at Chattanooga station Hot News Talk Radio
1240 and 910
David J. Tulis: I have been going out on a limb writing about stratospheric aerosol geo-
engineering, which is the mouthful commonly called disparagingly called
chemtrailing.
Chemtrailing is a word used by people who insist no such thing is taking place and is
used as kind of a term of art which is intended to suggest that the people who talk about
this are somehow kooky or theyve read one too many books on the Knights Templar or
Adam Weishaupts Illuminati group.
To get my feet back on the ground, were going to talk to Robert Sacci. He has a
doctorate of chemistry from the University of Victoria in British Columbia in Canada
and a father of two children and lives in Ringgold, Ga.
Dr. Sacci is a research scientist in energy storage technology.
Ive asked Robert about my theories regarding the crisscrossing trails over Chattanooga
and made observations to him about my perceptions of the weather and our continuously
milky white sky, what I call a perpetual haze over Chattanooga.
Im theorizing some. Im making observations. Im using my eyes, which are, by the
way, a powerful scientific instrument. Observation is a primary basis upon which you
could say science begins.
Sacci skeptic on chemtrailing
[Robert,] youre not convinced by my arguments and I think that will helpful for my
listener to understand. Youre kind of a stratospheric aerosol geoengineering skeptic.
Youre kind of neutral. You view this issue from a neutral position?
Robert Sacci: Yes, I mean, theres no, as far as my understanding no formal
precedent or program to purposefully put elements into the air. But as far as could it
actually happen and would it work in some capacity? That Im not a skeptic of. Theres
good research on being able to do this, how one may conduct these sorts of tests. But as
far as is it taking place currently, that I would be more of a skeptic or reserve judgment.
Tulis: Well, thats helpful for my listener to realize that youre not buying my argument
or even my reporting and my analysis, which are to a degree speculative.
So that means youll be more objective than perhaps I might be since I greatly admire
the good people of our government and Im very confident they have tremendous
power and authority and technology by which they can have a program.
So what well be talking about then is geo-engineering and some of the details in theory
and were going to be asking you what you know as a chemist about how it would work.
So tell me Robert Sacci, how would a geoengineering project work? What are some of
the things that are possible in that field?
Robert Sacci: Yes, so theres many types of geo-engineering and it seems it would be
more interesting to talk about climate engineering or engineering that we do with
regards to solar radiation and temperature fluctuation.
But in a larger picture, we do geo-engineering all the time: making a path through the
woods is geo-engineering.
Sky striping 1 of 3 options
But climate engineering theres more or less three things we can do things in
space, we can do things in the stratosphere and we can do things on the surface itself.
And so the idea is, given those three areas, you know, kinda of whats a tenable way to
either, if we want to cool the earth, block radiation, if we want to take CO2 out, how do
we gather that? So there are many different strategies that are proposed to do this and
some of them are being used now, especially the surface based techniques.
Tulis: Whats happening on the surface? Or what is proposed on the surface?
Mirrors and white roofs
Robert Sacci: In California there are bills or incentives if you build a building or
something like that to have it be more quote unquote green and that means having actual
plants on your roof would help that or painting your roof white instead of having a black
tarp top or roofing shingles that we have on almost every roof here in Southeast
Tennessee. You can paint it white or use metal to increase reflectivity. This is just getting
the sunlight instead of to absorb on the surface to get it to reflect back out into space. So
theres incentives there. You can get some tax deductions and things like that. That
people in California or at least the governments in California are instituting. And those
are typically your surface based techniques. Having a nice open field with crops, helps
putting mirrors or reflective surfaces on your roof or the desert would help a lot of the
sunlight to bounced back off the surface and be directed into space rather to be absorbed
into our air.
So those are kind of more mild ways that we are doing some sort of climate engineering.
Tulis: So what is it in your analysis prospective in the second nearest form of geo-
engineering which would be in the stratosphere what does the scientific literature
suggest is possible there?
Cloud creating nanoparticulates
Robert Sacci: In that case, theres really two main things we can do. We can seed
clouds or we can increase the overall reflectivity of clouds that are already present. And
so with the former (the seeding of clouds) you would, either in an aerosol form, you
would spray out a concentrated mist so water vapor which would then escalate and
cascade and form clouds. You can also do this with very small ice crystals. Clouds
would form off of those. Or even some salts. So silver salts, actually, are known to be
able to seed clouds.
And one of the things laboratory study is silver iodide that you could seed clouds with
that kind of chemical. As far as making clouds brighter or increasing their reflectivity,
that youre going there for is basically getting the light thats traveling from the sun to
the earth, getting it to increase the amount of light thats bounced off so it doesnt reach
the earths surface.
Reflectivity of new clouds
In that case you would use more or less metal particles. So aluminum nanoparticles,
barium particles in the stratosphere to hopefully increase the clouds reflectivity to
where you minimize the amount of light that actually reaches the surface. Its more like
you put a dimmer, a piece of paper in front of a light bulb and it dims the light traveling
through.
Tulis: Now over Chattanooga and Hamilton County, Robert Sacci, *** we have frequent
overflights of jets that create clouds. It is a program which Paul Barys, the weather
forecaster at a local TV station, says are just contrails, just emissions from jet fuel, The
cold, damp air running through the engines and making crystals that form clouds. Thats
how he describes and explains whats happening.
My theory is much more ambitious that this in fact is a program. And my theory
seems to be borne out because on heavy chemtrail days, as we can call it, and about half
the days we receive the treatment, by my record clouds are formed by plane
overflights. Their trails create giant, wispy cirruslike clouds and other types which seem
to be very strange and kind of shapeless. And so my thinking is that we have this power.
So what do you suppose is happening over Chattanooga? That we have (A) frequent
flyovers of cloud-creating jets and (B) this milky white haze on the horizon which never
seems to go away it did yesterday though, but generally it doesnt.
Robert Sacci: Yes, so we are in a very humid part of the country and as such the
saturation level of water to precipitate out of the air is real close to that level. So when
you burn fuel, any fuel, whether it be from your car or from a jet plane, you are
producing more or less two compounds and that is Co2 and water and water. And its
almost a one-to-one ratio sometimes two to one, but that doesnt really matter. What
matters is you are producing a lot of water when jet fuel is burned and you are producing
it in the higher elevation, which means the air is generally a little bit cooler and it is
primed for heating up clouds.
So by itself, the burning of plane fuel or jet fuel can in fact seed the clouds. Now,
whether those clouds are able to seed and then gather together, I agree, there is some
kind of oddness to the trails in that they dont bulk up and become a major cloud as one
would think would happen if that is in fact whats going on. Youre just seeding clouds,
you know, a cloud is a cloud.
Aluminum for jet engines? For cloudmaking?
But there are additives in the fuel itself. So sometimes they will add some type of
aluminum salt or barium salt thats there to stabilize the fuel.
Jet fuel has to be really combustive. Its got to be almost inherently unstable for you to
get all the energy out of it as you can. You dont want any energy loss. And so because
of that, youll have these small metallic particles. And we add it in car fuel as well. We
add iron-containing compounds to help in stabilizing the fuel and
Tulis: Is that lead?
Robert Sacci: and also help prolong engine life. And so there are these additives in
fuel that can seed clouds. But once again its different if thats the purpose of these
additives is to seed clouds or to increase reflectivity other than just making the engines
run more smoothly.
Tulis: If aluminum particles are used as a lubricant in jet fuel, how small do these pieces
have to be to work and not deprive the jet fuel of its explosive character? Youre
suggesting the additives in fuel help create cloud patterns behind jets. Am I
understanding that correctly?
Nanoparticulates as fuel ingredient
Robert Sacci: They can, yes. So any metallic additive will or has the possibility to add
and help facilitate cloud seeding. So the particles as far as their size in the fuel would be
very small.
They would be around nanometer type of size, which is extremely small. Its about the
size of a hundred atoms linked together, so they would be a very, very small particle that
would be mixed in with the fuel.
Tulis: Explain a little to my listener, Robert Sacci, how nanotechnology works and
youre suggesting that the fuel has additives to help the plane fly and also incidentally to
possibly create cloud cover. How are nanoparticles made and how do they get into the
fuel?
How nanoparticles are made
Robert Sacci: Well, theres different ways to make and control the formation of
nanoparticles. One of the largest industrial way is to actually start with a solution of the
metal dissolved into some *** organic solvent, so youre basically trying to separate all
the metallic particles out to individual atoms or charged atoms, which we call ions. They
are all floating around not interacting with each other. And then you add something and
that brings them together. So it will reduce the ions and form these nanoclusters.
And we can do this on a large scale. It can be, depending on what additives you add to
this magic mix, you will get particles of different sizes, you will get particles of different
something or shapes, either spherical or cubic and we dont totally understand how this
works, but were very good engineers in that we can get more or less target shapes in a
relatively large scale of certain elements to do more or less what we want to do.
Tulis: How is it that nanoparticles, maybe of aluminum, will not come down but stay
suspended [in the sky]? How would it work for nanoparticulates to create effectively a
shield over the earth, or over large parts of the earth, a kind of a nanoshield to deflect the
sun? How would that work?
How an iron dome would stay aloft
Robert Sacci: OK, so you have essentially two forces that are competing with one
another to allow an object to levitate or maintain altitude. One is gravity, which of
course wants to take the object and bring it down to the center of gravity, which would
be the Earths surface.
So if you create an asymmetric particle, say a [disk] where one dimension is much larger
than another dimension what can happen is it can kind of get trapped at a certain
altitude. And of course gravity is dependent upon the objects mass or how large an
object is or its weight.
So what you can do that if you have and its been speculated in peer reviewed
publications and if you had a disc, a very small disc thats about 15 nanometers in
diameter, you have this really small disc made of aluminum, it would get trapped in the
stratosphere and more or less when it comes down, every time it would try to come
down it would heat up, create thermal fluctuations about it and it would rise again and it
would heat the gas underneath it which would hit it back up to the upper levels of the
stratosphere. This could be a way to kind of blanket the higher portions of the
stratosphere ****.
Tulis: Maybe its just a could be, part of stratospheric aerosol geo-engineering, which is
the scientific name for the laying of particulate matter by policy into the stratosphere to
cool the planet. In other words, part of Global Warming is, as Dr. Robert Sacci has
explained, if fighting it on the ground by reducing emissions and having plants grow on
your roof. But theres also the second level, which is in the stratosphere, where men
propose or may be actually doing this to have a reflective shield over the planet.
Somehow the sun has just become kind of an evil force.
Deflecting villainous sunlight
Tulis: You were in the middle of explaining how before we had those urgent notices
from the commercial side, how it is that a piece of aluminum down to the size of atoms
just about, 100 atoms across maybe, in the form of a disc, could theoretically stay
perhaps permanently in the higher atmosphere given its density and its shape. Now what
would be the benefit if trillions and trillions of these nanoparticles were sprayed into
space? What are the perceived benefits, Robert Sacci, and what are perhaps the dangers
of that if we have a reflective nanoshield, as some writers have called it?
Robert Sacci: Well, the benefits would be that you will decrease the amount of radiation
coming from the sun onto the earths surface and the radiation, if its metallic in nature,
kind of like say, our aluminum nanodiscs if that were metallic in nature then you
would not only block infrared rays so those would be the forms of radiation that are
more prone to making objects hotter. You would also take care of UV light, so a lot of
the ultraviolet rays that could harm plants and cause melanoma and other cancers, you
would also decrease the amount of those rays onto the surface.
Unintended feedback loops
However, since aluminum is a light element, which means it doesnt have that many
electrons around each atom, it wont be very good at blocking some of the harder or
more energetic or destructive forms of radiation that the sun emits say cosmic rays,
gamma rays, kind of some harder ultraviolet rays I think are commonly referred as UV-
Cs and X-rays. So those forms of radiation would still pass but other forms would be
hampered. And so theres a proposition that underneath these aluminum discs you would
need something heavier, kind of like barium element or calcium element thats there to
reflect your X-rays and some of your harder forms of radiation.
So that would just work to make the sun dimmer. You would relegate a lot of heat from
the sun that [unintelligible] from the surface. As far as things that could be bad, you have
this thing called internal reflection that could happen.
This basically happens if you have some reflective medium on something else that
would reflect light. Lets say the surface. And you would have this layer that reflects
light, but some light gets through and you would have the surface that also reflects light.
Now, that top layer, so our stratosphere, if that reflects too much light, you can have this
problem where the light that gets through gets trapped.
So it basically bounces from the surface to the stratosphere and bounces back *** or it
has to go through a lot more bouncing or reflections before it can escape.
Would nanoshield worsen warming trend?
Tulis: Whats wrong with that if you have light ricocheting back and forth many times
between the nanoshield and the surface of the earth? Is there a problem with that?
Robert Sacci: You can actually help cause that which you are trying to deviate from the
reflective shield.
You would just trap heat. Any light that gets through gets trapped and it stays there so it
can continually bounce and interact with all forms of matter there at a higher frequency
than it would otherwise be. So, if you had no coating, then the light could come, bounce
off the surface and then leave. Nothings really going to reflect it or the reflections
would be minimized and so theres kind of that tradeoff. If you make the sky too
reflective you would actually, can, a feedback loop would occur and you can make the
surface hotter because youve increased the amount of light thats bouncing and kind of
staying there at the surface rather than allowing it just to pass on through. So theres
these humps and troughs and whole equation or fine art of making surfaces
reflective, but not too reflective, or transparent, but not too transparent that you have to
play with.
And that would be true for kind of a global or geoengineering point of view. You would
want this [shield] to reflect sunlight but not too much in that you get sunlight trapped.
Tulis: Theres a climate change denier, as hes called with some aspersion, John Christi,
who lives in Huntsville. And I was noting a story today about him, he says the science is
not settled and he says that the models that are claiming global warming in the future
and seeing it now are not accurate. In your understanding of world climate, is there
global warming taking effect from whatever cause?
Robert Sacci: Its still accumulative. And you have to look at exactly what the model is
saying is the cause of the heat. So were at this weird stage in climate science. *** The
problem is depending on which model we pick or we choose is more accurate, we get
different results. But if we use a model that is more CO2, so heating is due to CO2, it
turns out that model predicts that heating is due to CO2. So youre kind of using a model
to predict something that the model is actually already based on.
Tulis: I want to get back to the whole question of geo-engineering as a theoretical
subject. Youre kind of a skeptic as to whether there is an actual geo-engineering
program in progress today. Were talking in theory about science and science laws that
would control a program if it were to be enacted. Well, two points: We have in
Chattanooga, in Hamilton County, regular readings of aluminum, barium, strontium in
the air. Question A is where would they come from if not from an actual geo-engineering
program? And then B, is there any kind of problem with nano-particles, whether
aluminum or other, if you inhale or ingest them? My thinking is they are coming down
from the good people in their program here and we are ingesting and inhaling them
now. So the question is, explain if you can, the readings I got from the government of
aluminum, strontium, barium in Chattanooga and Hamilton County and then B, whats
the problem with inhaling aluminum?
Ubiquitous aluminum
Robert Sacci: OK, so I mean, I guess in our modern society, we use aluminum a lot,
coke cans and everything. Theres a lot of aluminum and those types of minerals in
our river water and kind of natural supply that we already have. And of course when
water evaporates and it does take some of those minerals up. Now like I said, there are
additives to fuels that could include barium-containing compounds and aluminum-
containing compounds.
So, as you combust those, those would make tiny aluminum or barium salt nanoparticles
and they would go up into the air. So you would have that and it seems like from what
Ive read that one other major city just cities in general have these relatively high
and quite disconcerting readings of metals in the air. So we have a lot of sulfur and all
sorts of stuff in the air that will probably *** and its hard to say was that leftover. I
know a number of decades ago Chattanooga had a really bad smog problem from the
DuPont plant and some other plants. So could those just be legendary pollutants in the
air? Its hard to say. Like I said, these things actually come from without during
experiments.
Tulis: So what is dangerous about inhaling or ingesting the particles that are being
reported in Hamilton County of strontium, aluminum and barium? Is there a danger to
that? Is there any connection with jet overflights of the city?
In lung and on plate
Robert Sacci: Well, as far as the latter, Im not sure about that. Ive not seen any
conclusive evidence of what stuff you can expect to come off of a jet and normal fuels,
whether the elements are there and in what amount they are there. But as far as toxicity
of these particles, as you know, there are two different things you need to separate
separate: One is the food supply and one is kind of in the air or inhaling.
In the food supply, it turns out that organic life forms, humans and plants, can withstand
a lot more toxic material and potentially toxic materials than one might expect.
Especially in humans, our body is very good at discerning whats good for it and whats
not and it tries to get rid of whats not. If it looks foreign it shoves it aside *** .
As far as breathing, lungs are not as robust, though they are pretty robust. Nanoparticles
can have problems with them so you have things with coal miners who would breathe
soot in from the coal. That would be nanosize things that would get into the lungs and
stay there and accumulate over time and could potentially cause lung cancer and
[problems] of the lungs.
Same thing is true with asbestos. We know the dangers of asbestos and its not the really
lone fibers that are the problem, its the nano component of it, these really, really
nanofibers that are produced with the production of the asbestos and then you breathe
that in and it accumulates over time and will or could potentially lead to cancer.
And so any nanomaterial has that potential danger and working any labs through the
U.S. and theres a lot of regulatory hurdles that one has to jump through before theyll
qualify to work with nanomaterials. There are special labs and special fuel plugs and all
these things that are set up to make work environment in nanoproduction or particle
production safer for people.
Tulis: Youre saying that and it suggests to me that the government the national
government would never, then, spray purposefully nanomaterials in the sky given its
tight controls of all the nanomaterials elsewhere and on the ground.
Robert Sacci: That is my hope that it would be a true statement.
Tulis: Let me ask you this, if stratospheric geoengineering were not taking place you
kinda believe that its not would it be a good policy to enact it?
Robert Sacci: Several things are possible. Probably I would, it would need to be tested
because there are all those repercussions. I didnt mention this, but communications
between satellites and the Earths surface can be interrupted with this so some testing
would have to be done at an obscure location. So either Arctic or desert environment
before that would even be conceivable to be a good policy. But for stuff thats taking
place on the surface as far as roofing materials and things like that, that is good. I would
say that is good policy.
Tulis: Thank you.
(Many thanks to Marla Stair-Wood of Knoxville, who runs the Tennessee Skywatch
group on Facebook for the transcript.)
David Tulis is host of Nooganomics.com, a show on Hot News Talk Radio 1240 and
910ne that covers local economy and free markets in Chattanooga and beyond.
A tubular chemtrail cloud disperses over Chattanooga as a jet emitting what may be an
ordinary short contrail flies behind it, as seen from Hixson on Thursday, another sky
striping day
A tubular chemtrail cloud disperses over Chattanooga as a jet emitting what may
be an ordinary short contrail flies behind it, as seen from Hixson on Thursday,
another sky striping day
- Photo2 by David Tulis
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