greetings, If anyone uses the Lashtal site, you may have read this querry already, so pleas e forgive me but I'm trying to get advice from multiple sources. my name is john and I'm a self practitioner here in Hawaii. I have yet to meet a nyone who has my interests, so I'm coming to the board as I've nobody to turn to out here. I have found the information invaluable so I thought i'd give it a tr y. I have been trying to follow the path of working out a magical motto as offered in advice by Aleister Crowley in Magick without tears. Namely finding a phrase t hat i seemed driven to and dissecting it through gematria. I found this latin phrase: Aqua Vitae - which i find to mean water of life Using my limited knowledge and resources, I used gematria to acheive these resul ts: Aqua ------- hebrew "May-yim" mem-yod-mem(final) = 650 =6+5=11=2 (chokmah) Latin to hebrew btw, i used this website for transliteration: http://www.iosart.com/nlp/heb_enc_ dec.html and came up with aqua = aleph - qof - yod- aleph =112 = 4 (chesed) i was happy with these two end resulting sephiroth and stretched it more to comb ine 2 + 4 to get 6 (tipareth) Vitae ------ english: life hebrew: chayim cheth-aleph-ayin-yod-mem which i worked out to 689=23=5 (geburah) the Latin to Hebrew: vau-yod-teth-aleph-ayin 96=15=6 (tipareth) extremely happy with these representing 5+6=11 (the great work) = 2 (chokmah) Adding the end result of my work of water 6 to vitae's 2 = 8 (hod) the sphere of magical work and mercury. I would ask anyone who has taught fellow aspirants what to do in order to work o n his/her motto. I have no help beside what I read, the wonderful advice given b y the late soror Meral in her ITC issues and the internet. Also, if this is corr ect, could you please give any further correspondences, Maybe the gematria can r eference other meanings especially the larger numbers as with my limited knowled ge base, i can only reduce them down to a single number for a sephiroth. Reading the ITC's qabalahist corner, and the forums, i see so many combinations and can not gather the years of searching/research it took to obtain them. this means a lot to me as I want to earnestly understand the motto and not settl e for the name alone, but to bring it out through meditation and an occult base of learning. I would also ask for only those people's assistance who are really wanting to he lp. In advance, I would like forgiveness for any errors in my work above as I'm just starting out. Please forgive this long message, i hope it was not hard on reading it but belie ve me it was hard to type this while I'm having my 6 and 4 year old daughters ru nning/jumping around me screaming. My wife is at work. sincerely, john Re: Asking for help with my Motto Postby Jim Eshelman Sun Jun 20, 2010 5:30 pm Why not just go with the normal numeration of the Latin phrase itself, since tha t's what caught your attention? Aqua Vitae by Latin Qabalah Simplex = 88, like the following (among others): FILIUS DEI - Son of God SABAZIUS - Bacchus SUMMUM - Uppermost, supreme, highest, top of, greatest, consummate, most disting uished (neut.) VICTORIA - Victory (cf. Gk. NIKH=88, victory) ZODIACUS - Zodiac Love is the law, love under will. Yours in L.V.X., Jim Eshelman www.facebook.com/jamesaeshelman (Yod Vav Daleth = Love AND Will)