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The Party's Over... rThe Stony Brook Press!
Homecoming is one of the few hike is just around the comer. The
times the average student looks state can now justify the increase by
around the University, after finishing Executive Editor: James Barna
pointing to the recession looming over Managing Editor: Michele Neumeier
the 5K run,, or eating free food at the. our heads. It may not come this Associate Editor: Lara Jacobson
Union, or leaving the George Carlin semester, but it is coming. Business Manager: Michele Fleck
or BDP Concert, and says "Hey, this Awake yet? Photo Editor: Walter Schneider
place really ain't so bad." Well if you Good. Now, get to class! ArtsEditor: Eric Penzer
had such thoughts during Home- Production Manager: Rick Teng
Minister Sans Portfolio:
coming, let this be a wake-up call. Fletcher Johnsmon
Some wonderful changes have
occurred on campus so far this year. News and Features: Fred Mayer, Robert
First, on a visionary note, the
University Senate overwhelmingly
When you party Gilheany, Scott Skinner, Michele Neumeier

approved a resolution that would bar


ROTC from recruiting on campus.
remember to... Arts: Rudy Babel, Scott Skinner, Eric
Penzer, Steven Kreps, Lara Jacobson, Lisa
J. Tracy, Scott Warmuth, Jennifer C. Tracy
This is because the Military discri- Kate Owen
minates on the basis of sexual
Graphics: Walter Schneider, Rick Teng
orientation. USB President John Mar-
burger, however, has expressed Production: Don Fick, Eric Penzer Rick
reluctance to acting quickly, and will Teng
probably stall the issue for as long as
possible. The Stony Brook Press is published biweekly
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- LETTE RS
Dear Editor: Christianity in general on would no longer be separated I doubt he would have
Stony Brook's campus. from him. His love is that
After reading your editorial Intravarsity is comprised approved of the spirit of Mr.
on the Worst Public University great. Skinner's article, which was
of students from various Intravarsity, as with any
in America along with the Christian loosely based on investigating
denominations: Christian fellowship, does not
accompanying statistics (?), I Baptist, Catholic, Intravarsity Christian Fellow-
Episco- have a monopoly on the gospel.
can only say that if you are a palian, Evangelical, Presby- ship, but which was in the
graduate student and if I were
We have only a responsibility main a vehicle for the writer's
terian etc. What ties us toge- to be honest witnesses to it. If
your statistics professor, you ther is our faith in Jesus prejudices.
you are interested in what
wouldn't be a graduate student. Christ. It's ironic such an unfair
The article is an abomination Intravarsity has to offer, article was positioned directly
More specifically, we are please more than welcome to
on the use of statistics and united in the belief of a God of opposite such a careful and
statistical analyses.
join us on Thursday nights at gracious article on the Dalai
You need such love for each and every
mathematical help at the least. 7:30 in the Student Union, Lama. If you realise that
individual that he came down room 226.
as a human being to pay the Knee-jerk it's foreign, it's
Very truly yours, price for the forgiveness of sin. wrong reactions to this
Harry P. Snoreck -Andy McHugh religious leader and his cause
He paid that price by dying on
Intravarsity must be counteracted with
a cross. He then rose from the
Harry Snoreck is Vice dead, showing God's own Christian Fellowship unbiased information, then
President for Campus Opera- acceptance of this sacrifice. Editor: you must realise as well that
tions. Many of us heard this other religious organisations,
message before, being born even if they are culturally
Regarding Scott Skinner's
Dear Editor: into Christian homes, whether "familiar" with them, deserve
article in your October 1, 1990
Catholic or Protestant, yet the same respect and fairness
issue: one of the reasons the
Thank you for Scott maybe never understood it on a in print.
Dalai Lama is so revered is the
Skinner's article Christ Cris- personal level. If you were the depth of not only his learning Not only did Mr.
pies. It allows an open discus- only human being that ever Skinner's article give no
but his understanding of
sion of the role of Intravarsity existed, God still would have information about ICF of
cultures different from his
Christian Fellowship and died on a cross so that you own. which I am not a member; in
v- page 4
The Stony Brook Press-.page 2
Protest
Against Residence Life
By Scott Skinner evident that the sit-in had been hastily are enjoying the luxury of a double-single
planned by its leader, Dave Rubin, who had without paying the extra cost. It is these
On Tuesday, October 2, several angry not taken the time to find out this information students who must either find a roommate,
students attempted to stage a sit-in at the beforehand. The policy was created by the pay up, or move out to make room for those
Division of Campus Residence office in Residence Hall Room Rate Review students who are willing to pay.
O'Neil College. The students protested a Committee, which is comprised of eight It isn't often that the Administration
Residence Life policy forcing single occu- resident-students; six representing each of the performs in a manner that would seem to
pants in double rooms to either find a roomate, six quads, and two representing the Resident serve the student body. Indeed, recent
pay extra money for a double-single, or face Hall Association Council. Administrative actions (i.e. slashed library
relocation by Residence Life. Resident- Speaking in behalf of the students, Dave hours, loss of student parking, actions taken
student Dave Rubin organized the sit-in, Rubin protested that the policy was to prevent Pit Hockey) appear to confirm the
which began at 4:15 PM and lasted two hours. nevertheless "unfair," and that future sit-ins Administration's apathetic attitude toward the
Anticipating a large turnout, Campus would be planned unless immediate action needs of the the students. Ideally, the
Residences locked their doors early to prevent was taken to change the policy. Spokeswoman Administration should serve the student body,
student-access, and sent out two spokes- Darylynn Bachman calmly replied, "Time which means working with students through a
persons to meet with Dave Rubin and the scant might be better spent attending the Room Rate democratic process that allows for student
ten students. Al DeVries of Campus Review Committee." Spokesman Al DeVries representation. However, the Administration
Residences handed out a leaflet on double- explained that the policy was adopted as a certainly cannot be blamed for the lack of
single occupancy, which prompted an "revenue-raising measure," in order to cut student participation in issues that allow for
informal meeting in the lobby of O'Neil. The losses due to decreased occupancy. At present, student representation. The double-single
spokespersons listened to the students, and Campus Residences offers students the option policy was one adopted by the students
answered their questions concerning of renting a double-single for 1.5 times the themselves through their elected RHA and
Resident Life policy. Residence Life regular room rate. The policy has generated Room Rate Review Committee represen-
informed students that the very policy they approximately 300 applications from students tatives. Those who wish to change such a
were protesting had been enacted by student- who wish to rent a double-single. According policy had best try to work within the system,
residents via a democratic process the to DeVries, the problem is that only 12 empty or at least take the time to find out that such a
previous year. It became increasingly rooms exist, while approximately 300 students system exists. Q

Make Love Not War


Military Recruitment On Campus
By Robert GiIheany University Senate has voted that the President Marburger has indicated that he
military's explicit discrimination against is not going to make a decision on the matter
In the past demonstrators have opposed Lesbians, Gays and Bisexuals violates the until after Thanksgiving, if at all. He also
military recruitment on campus because of Anti-Discrimination Rule of the University said that he may seek public opinion on the
peace and anti-imperialism issues. This and has recommended to President Mar- issue. By not explicitly accepting the Faculty
year the move against military recruitment burger the denial to access of University Senate's recommendation, Marburger's non-
has taken a twist. Activists protest facilities to groups that discriminate. The action is in effect a pocket veto because the
discrimination by the military against Senate also opposed ROTC units or any military has not been kicked off campus
Lesbians, Gays and Bisexuals and want to adjunct military unit on campus for the grounds until he accepts the recommendation.
ban military recruitment on campus, as well
as usage of any university facility by the
purpose of academic credit for the same
.reason.
U
military or any group that violates the state University Senate President Norman
university's anti-discrimination policy. Goodman said "The Military was asked not to
State University Regulations prohibit recruit on campus." They came anyhow and
discrimination in all matters of education tabled in the Union on Tuesday and
and employment on the basis of race, gender, Thursday. On Thursday they had a table set
age, sexual orientation, religion, disability, up next to the Red Balloon. The Balloon was
national origin, marital status, or Vietnam- distributing informations about the Persian
Era veteran status. Health Science Center Gulf crises, the connections between big oil
Professor Robert Hawkins brought the issue to companies and the lack of alternate energy
the Faculty Senate last December. The Senate sources such as solar, wind, hydrogen
recently passed the recommendations. powered cars and the treatment of chemical
Hawkins said, "I got the idea after the James warfare in the Mid-east. A few passersby
Holobaugh Case." Holobaugh was. a ROTC apparently didn't like what they saw and
cadet who "came out" and the military moved called the Red Ballooners commies resulting
against him by discarding him and trying to in a minor argument and a damaged door
make him pay back $25,000 in scholarship that the objectors slammed on their way out.
money. Hawkins said, "He was in the top part On Thursday, the Lesbian , Gay and
of his class and a leader in every way they Bisexual Alliance tabled next to the marines
measure leadership." Holobaugh was two in the Union with no incidents. LGBA had a
months away from graduation. Hawkins sign that read The Marines hate Gays,
was asked if he was trying to get the military Lesbians and Bisexuals. Thursday just
off campus, or just trying to make it easier for happened to be National Coming Out Day, a
Gays, Lesbian and Bisexuals to join the national day that encourages non-straights to
military. He said, "I just want them to stop come out of the closet.
discrimina.ting."
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COMM;ENTA RY
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"It'sA Cultural Thing...
Which is Better, Eurocentrism or Afrocentrism?
By Fletcher Johnson This is particularly critical when an the value of other cultures and 2)
individual's heritage is one which has unwilling to share its cultural heri-
Ideally, a community should been historically denigrated. tage with others. Centrism is racism.
contain elements of many cultures Self-pride plays a part in the Don't cut me out of your society if I
which are in turn promoted and preservation of culture and the degree lack blond hair and blue eyes; don't
shared by all. Distinct cultures need of pride prerequisite to the displaying cut me out if "it's a black thing..."
not be promoted over one another, nor of the treasures of one's cultural because maybe I can understand.
need be mixed into one bland and heritage. The pride element of cen- Fear is bred by the unknown. Don't
homogeneous mixture. True diversity trism is in fact a necessary component conceal a culture. Don't flaunt it.
is not to be found in the mere of a culturally rich society. Share it
representation of various ethnic Pride in one's culture, however, The media is playing an
groups, but in the actual interaction of can be a thinly veiled form of cen- increasingly greater role in society.
such groups. trism. Centrism is an odious concept By its very nature it simplifies issues
Centrism, independent of other for several reasons. A centric view- and builds hype. In these sensitive
influences, does not benefit society. point leads to closed thinking and times, the media is playing with an
However, racial pride serves a closed splintered groups within a explosive issue. Individuals must,
purpose. Pride in one's culture plays community. A centric culture that is with great care, not let the media
a role in an individual's self-worth. closed upon itself is 1) not receptive to make decisions for them.,

---LETTERS
continued from page 2 ff"ý---
fact, I had hoped to finally find You can stop now.
out what this organisation
does through your article), it The Pres~~s out.
gave no reason on earth for
anyone to look into it. I doubt
the ICF is any more "cultic"
than Tibetan Buddhism, and
religious tolerance must be
universal if it is to have any
meaning. At least wait to
attack until you have some
solid reason to. Thank you.

- L Rogers

8PM
Central Hall, Basement

The Stony. Brook Press page 4


Mandatory Bus Fee
well. Does Mr. Mulligan think that students
may not be able to curb their hunger and
perhaps begin knawing on the newly
apolstered seats while riding to main
campus? If you ask me, we need that cafeteria
like a hole in the head or at least as much as
we need that new sports complex juxtaposed in
Post-Modern fashion next to the decrepid
brick-faced gym.
The new buses will be outfitted with red and
white trimming, be heated in the winter and
air-conditioned in the summer. Hours of
operation will double from 300 to 600 hours per
week which means that they will run every 7.5
minutes instead of every 15 minutes. The
first 6 buses are smaller and more efficient
but only accommodate 23 passengers. The
second batch of six will be larger,
accommodating 46 passengers. The larger
buses will be used for the Engineering Loop
because of heavy thoroughfare.
According to Hugh Mulligan bus replace-
ment is a priority. Besides incurring a
mandatory fee on students the only other
option was to hire a private company. The
By Michele Neumeier says that 20% of the budget will not cover the difference is that a private company would
cost of the necessary bus repairs. "The system aim'at maximizing profit at the students'
Beginning Spring semester 1991 Stony was going to crash and we desperately needed expense. Excess revenue would go into the
Brook students will be paying a bus fee at the to do something about it." pockets of the few instead of into the parking
rate of $25 per semester, $10 per month or $.50 The State of New York claims that parking lots of the many. To further decrease costs
per ride if a student chooses to pay piecemeal and. transportation are local problems and it student drivers will be taking the helm.
rather than bulk rate discount. As of October is not responsible to pay for improvements or Presently Stony Brook has 9 full-time , non-
16 1990 the first bus of a 12 bus fleet will arrive changes. Most SUNY schools are currently student drivers . Wages for these drivers are
beginning the slow replacement of the dated paying for their own transportation by raising significantly higher than student wages ($6
and obsolete models currently dashing about mandatory or elective fees, meaning if you per hour) because of union demands. In June
the campus at lightning speed and efficiency. elect to use the bus you have to pay for it. By flyers were passed out at the Student
The Stony Brook Department of Trans- September 1991 the State University of New Employment Office asking for applicants.
portation and Parking plans to have all 12 of York at Stony Brook plans to install a $25 Over the summer 25 students were trained
the brand new buses operating by the end of the mandatory transportation fee for all atten- and 22 passed the DMV test to receive their
academic year 1990/1991. ding students regardless of whether they ride class two licbnse. The course consists of 20
Stony Brook's buses average between 16 and the on-campus buses or not. According to Mr. hours classroom time and 20-25 hours of on the
28 years old. According to Hugh Mulligan, Mulligan, "Every cent will go back to the road training. The program has been such a
Director of Parking and Transportation at students either through salaries, improve- success that the DMV decided to send their
Stony Brook, "A bus should be replaced after ments or parking lots." "He says that the instructors over to Stony Brook for a quick
12 years of use maximum." The budget for excess revenue raised by the fee is not for refresher course. At present SEO is proces-
transportation for 1990/1991 is $600,000, and profit. In the future it will be used for larger sing 200 applications to fill 50-80 openings.
80% of it pays for personel costs such as
mechanics and bus driver wages. Mulligan
sparce allocation for parking lots in South P
Lot and perhaps a cafeteria in South P Lot as
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Gay 'Toons
By Lara Jacobson sexually explicit cartoons, and it seems that
the subject content of these illustrations
The 1990 Lesbian, Gay and Bisexual created fear and revulsion within some of the
Awareness Week was from October 5th - 12th less open-minded psyches. Several people
and was ushered in by a host of events at were reported to have been drawn into the
Stony Brook. FTLL (Freedom To Live and gallery, and when told what the exhibit was,
Love) week was presented to the campus left in near-terror. However, fear and
community by The Lesbian, Gay, and revulsion is nothing new in gay history.
Bisexual Alliance. Included in the events Many of these cartoons satirically make light
were keynote speakers, workshops, and of even the most violent of sexual prejudice.
panels. National Coming Out Day was Included in the exhibition is a brief,
celebrated on October 11. informative history on each of the artists and
Also included in the events was The cartoonists. For more information on this
Cartoon Show - Comic Art drawn from eye-opening show, contact the Lesbian and
Lesbian and Gay Life. The show was on Gay Community Services Center at 208 W.
display in the Union Art Gallery and was. 13th St. in New York City. (
formerly installed in The Lesbian and Gay
Community Services Center's National
Museum of Lesbian and Gay History. These
cartoons ranged from the hysterical humor of
"coming out" to the somber seriousness of the
AIDS dilemma. There were many extremely
October 16, 1990 page 5
mmmmm

BUDGET MANIA
By Fred Mayer completely consume government revenues. oil shock induced by the Gulf crisis) we have
To put it in more human terms, it will be as if not seen declining interest rates. The reason
When the stock markets crashed on October ALL of your income went to just paying the for this lies - again - in our indebtedness. If
19, 1987, a remarkable backlash to the ensuing required monthly interest payments on your we lower interest rates, then who the hell in
news coverage developed among some in the credit cards. Not a hopeful situation. our global economy is going to buy the
middle class. More than once did I hear the But there is another important question to I.O.U.'s which keep our government (and
question, "So where did all the money go answer: Why now? Why didn't all this many of our businesses) afloat? Therefore,
anyway?" or the assertion that, "It doesn't panicky stuff happen a trillion dollars ago? our Federal Reserve is very wary of lowering
really mean anything; it's just a game for the The answer can be found in the limited interest rates. The situation is worsened by
rich." Yet a small number of observers at that capacity of the global economic machine. the fact that the foreign supply of cash is
time correctly pointed out the real meaning Nearly one year ago (see Statesman, shrinking due - in part - to Japan's crumbling
behind the '87 crash: Living standards are November 9, 1989, US to Enter Economic stock market, as well as Germany's
going to fall well below our expectations. The Black Hole) I wrote: "The next major crisis unification.
delusions of grandeur to which we have will occur when our debt relationship with But let's look at this from another angle. We
become so accustomed over the last ten years creditor countries such as Japan, South Korea have big banks - banks which occupy gigantic
will crumble, and a vicious dog-fight will and the Federal Republic of Germany skyscrapers, and can afford to make
develop as the reality testing sets in. matches the current relationship between the commercials about "succeeding, rather than
The first signs of this dog-fight can be found U.S. and the third world. We are not making just surviving." Citibank has about $115
in the halls of the federal government, where many new loans to the third world because we billion in deposits. Not bad, except that $71.5
the tragicomedy referred to as "the budget are already sitting on top of a huge pile of billion of that is owned by foreigners. How
process" has been playing itself out for well mostly worthless I.O.U.'s. In psychological about Chase Manhattan? They have about $63
over four months. As of this writing, the terms, one can say that our cognitions of debt- billion in deposits, with $35.4 billion owned by
federal government is teetering on the brink worthiness go down as the quantity of foreigners. Moving closer to home, the Bank
of shutdown. For years we were taught - and accumulated I.O.U.s we are sitting on goes of New York has about $33 billion in deposits,
we learned - that "deficits don't matter." up. The exact same situation will be reached with $13.7 billion owned by foreigners. The
Until this year, it is probable that many soon by the foreigners who have been lending only way those huge amounts of money can be
Americans didn't even know what a deficit hundreds of billions to us. We will discover kept from leaving is to maintain interest
is. Let's not forget: the deficit constitutes the in a very painful way that the world-wide rates which are competitive in a global
RATE at which we are racing into debt. You liquidity pool is finite and therefore market. This is the real "new international
Calc students know that to arrive at the proper exhaustible." order."
debt figure (excluding interest)11 , you intgrat We shkll see in due course that the result of
the deficit curve over time. So who cares if the doorstep. Everywhere there are signs that our the current "budget process" in Washington
debt just grows monotonically forever? Well, economic destiny is no longer in our hands. will amount to little more than pissing in the
the problem is that every time our government For instance, consider interest rates, which wind. This fact was spelled out in part by
increases the debt limit, the total amount reflect supply and demand for capital. The Senator Ernest Hollings in an essay which
which must be paid per year in interest goes up decontextualized view we have been fed for appeared recently in the New York Times
- and those payments cannot be delayed, many years holds that interest rates move up (Oct. 5, Deceit, Danger and the Deficit). In it,
otherwise the government goes into default, or down in response to inflationary pressures he talked about the budget compromise
i.e., you can do anything you want, but you in the U.S. economy. If the economy "heats reached by the bipartisan committee, which
can't miss your payments to the bank. At the up" then interest rates also move up, in order will not be greatly different from the final
present time, more than a fifth of the federal to prevent an unhealthy rise in prices. budget. He made several points, including: 1)
budget goes toward paying interest on the Presumably, if inflation is low, then interest The General Accounting Office concluded in
federal debt (notice, I said interest, not rates should fall. All the available evidence September that to balance the budget (i.e., to
principal). After a certain amount of time, contradicts this idea. While the rate of lower the rate at which the government goes
these increasing interest payments could inflation has been rather low (until the recent into debt to zero) by 1995 would require $1
trillion ($1,000,000,000,000) in deficit reduc-
tions, while the budget compromise only
icveases in the budiet cornmromise: rCI reduces deficits by half that amount. 2) The
agreement "borrows" no less than $169 billion
from the Social Security Trust Fund. 3) All
payments for the savings and loan bailouts
are not counted in computing the deficit. (In
fact, the total planned deficit reduction for the
upcoming year is LESS than the estimated cost
of the S&L bailout for the current year.) 4)
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The cost of operation "Desert Shield" will not
I count against the (twice revised) Gramm-
N Rudman-Hollings spending limits. It seems
clear that the "battle" in Washington over the
C budget is more about placing blame, running
R for cover, and protecting the rich than it is
about reducing the rate at which we are going
E I into debt.
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in unemployment rates, as well as median
S income levels. Already the (official) unem-
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ployment rate is crossing over the six percent
E level, and things have only just begun. While
we argue about whether or not we are in an
economic slide, countries like Australia and
Canada are experiencing full-blown reces-
sions (i.e., negative GNP growth and
20 30 40 50 75 100 200 negative job-growth). The social ramifi-
cations of all this, as I indicated last year,
will be quite severe... but more on that later.
Income bracket (thousands) Next, the "D-word" that no one is talking
about-:yet., Q V , . .,,. .
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The Masters Talk
By Scott Warmuth SBP: People always want to put things in slots in years, and then Ginger contacted us later
or categorize them. and wanted to join the Masters. We were like,
Last year it looked like we would never hear "No, no no." (laughs) The rest is history.
from Masters Of Reality again. Their self- Chris: But they never will do that, ever, with
titled debut LP, released on Rick Rubin's Def this band. Daniel: We also liked the record that he did.
American label, had failed to make an impact
on the record buying public despite critical Ginger: Oh, they will, don't you worry about it, Googe: yeah, I love his new record.
praise. The band broke up and it looked like they will.
the end. A reprieve came from Mike Ross and Daniel: And he was eager to do it so here we
Matt Dike, owners of the Delicious Vinyl SBP: They just won't be accurate. are.
label, who bought the rights to the album and
re-released it with the Masters adding two Chris: Yeah, exactly. They'll be wrong, we'll SBP: Did you see him last year with Jack
new cuts. be right, all the way along. Bruce?
Vocalist/guitarist Chris Goss, and bassist
Googe have reformed the band with legendary Googe: No, I missed those shows.
rock drummer Ginger Baker (of Cream '7think everybody
fame) filling the vacant drum stool. Daniel SBP: So the album is out again on Delicious
Rey is the Masters' new lead guitar player. should mind their own Vinyl. Are-you worried that you're going to be
Rey has recorded with Circus Of Power and fucking business." suing them like Young MC is now?
Manitoba's Wild Kingdom. He also produced
The Ramones' Halfway To Sanity LP, White Googe: Oh, yeah. Then we'll find another
Zombie's latest record, and Dee Dee Ramone's SBP: Ginger, when you toured with Jack independent label in Japan and we'll go to
lamentable solo outing. I interviewed the Bruce last year, your guitar player, Blues them. We're just going to keep re-releasing
band two members at a time before their show Saraceno, was only 17 years old. Do you find this album for eternity. Me and Chris kind of
in the Stony Brook Union Ballroom on October a difference playing with younger players? traded our souls a long time ago.
1. First I talked with Ginger and Chris in
their dressing room, and later I caught up with Ginger: It depends on the musician, it doesn't. Daniel: 1995, brand new Masters Of Reality!
Daniel and Googe on The Master's tour bus. really matter how old they are. I mean, Ive
got kids of my own. Two of them play. In fact, Googe: We'll keep putting extra tracks on it.
SBP: I read a quote that said the new album is my son is the drummer. He's the only one We know what we're doing.
going to make Black Sabbath sound like I've heard of the young ones that has
Abba. Is it going to be that heavy? impressed me. SBP: You spent six months working on the
last album?
Ginger: No! Chris: On that point, to me, and I think I can
say this safely for Ginger: rock music, good Googe: Easy.. .....
Chris: (laughs) I actually said about ten rock music, has a lot of subtleties and
different things like that. What were some of particulars to get into, and that's what you look SBP: Hopefully, it'll be shorter next time?
them? I don't know, something stupid. for in people you're playing with. That's it,
period, people who understand subtleties. Googe: Yes. We're gonna spend six months
SBP: Well, it made for a good quote. in a cabin and then fifty minutes of doing the
SBP: How did you get hooked up with Ginger album.
Chris: Yeah it did. It's always the stupid Baker?
things that they pick out to quote, you know SBP: What do you think about the trouble that 2
what I mean? Googe: Well, we met him at a party through Live Crew have been having?
our manager Marty Schwartz. They're polo
Ginger: Trying to stylize the band. buddies. Ginger is an avid, avid polo fan. Googe: I think everybody should mind their
Marty suggested, "Hey Ginger, why don't you own fucking business.
Chris: Yes, exactly. jam with the Masters. Now Ginger hadn't
heard of us at the time, and he says he was Daniel: If it's really offensive to people then
Ginger: They're trying to put it in a bag and thinking, "Oh, fuck, bloody hell, another band they shouldn't buy it or they should get up off
say it's heavy metal where it's really not to jam with." But we had a great jam. We sat their fat asses and change the channel like I
bagable. It's non-bagable. down, plugged in and played for five hours do when I hear Debbie Boone or that Nelsons
straight, and it was like the best shit ryve heard shit. That should be banned, not 2 Live Crew.

SKINNER'S BOX

Shuttles The Chevrolet Way


By Scott Skinner frequent leaks and no hot water, at least the with the leaks and corrosion." NASA
students will no longer live in fear of a septic- officials could not be reached for comment,
NASA officials claim to have discovered system melt-down. As one student put it, "We although sources in engineering report that
the reason for the numerous leaks that have finally have toilets that can hold up to an investigation is underway regarding the
plagued space shuttle Columbia in recent Thursday-night parties and DAKA food." In process USB uses to recondition its pipes. Said
months. Apparently, a shipment of leaky an unprecedented effort to alleviate the one engineer, "Stonybrook has to realize that a
pipes that were meant to be used in USB dorms suffering of future shuttle astronauts, USB has fresh coat of paint will only go so far when it
were switched with a shipment of pipes slated offered to train them in university plumbing comes to upholding the structural integrity of
for use on the shuttle. The aftermath of the survival skills, providing that they pay a the pipes." The plumbing problem has
mix-up is that the shuttle now has the cheapest small fee of course. USB president Marburger prompted renewed domestic criticism, the
factory-reconditioned pipes that USB could explained, "We basically have a situation in latest insult coming from a Chrysler
buy, while USB has hydrogen leak-proof which shuttle astronauts will be experiencing Corporation spokesman, who publicly
toilets. According to analysts, the mix-up conditions similar to those that the students referred to the shuttle as "another American-
appears to be both beneficial and baneful. are accustomed to. It will take some time made lemon." .
Although the astronauts will have to get used to before the astronauts will feel comfortable

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By Steven Krepes
APocketBooksHardcover $19.95 0-671-66332-1
The Dead Girl shows how sometimes we can
lose ourselves in a literary world where every
The Dead Girl is Melanie Thernstrom's detail is symbolic of something, where
first novel. The novel is about a dead girl, everything becomes definitive and explained.
Miss Thernstrom's best friend from high The author is telling us that real life is not
school, Roberta Lee, who was a student at like this. We should see real life as it is, not
UC/Berkeley. One day this girl goes running try to scope it down to the size of a novel before
with her lover, Bradley Page, and he comes we make sense of it.
back without her. For five weeks she is Melanie Thernstrom is a poet first, and it
missing, until her body is found. Brad then shows. The writing is lyrical and evokes a
confesses to the murder, and later recants his visual and emotional response. On a real
confession, and two lengthy trials ensue. level, this novel is scary. There is a point
The novel, pretty much a work of where Melanie becomes paranoid, and overly
nonfiction, is written in the first person. Most aware of danger which she is in when she
of the names have not been changed, and there encounters strangers alone. She graphically
are pictures of many of the subjects as well as describes the terror which a woman, or
copies of actual newspaper articles anyone for that matter, has to experience in
concerning the incident, so the book takes on a this world, which is so deadly and violent.
very personal feel. To her credit, the author The Dead Girl is a really fine first novel. It
relates the facts of the story objectively, saving is complex and polished well. There are
the subjective writing for how she was affected many subtle aspects of the novel which build
by all that happened. towards the main theme, and add to the depth
The Dead Girl is all about the difficulty novels she had been reading as a Harvard and scope of our perception of that theme. Seen
Melanie has separating reality from fiction. undergraduate. Finally, after months of as a whole, the novel hits very hard. I read it
She cannot figure out how she is supposed to confusion, Melanie is able to get in touch with all in one day, and that was a pretty bleak
feel, and she has all these literary cliches and her feelings and begins to understand the true day. It is ironic and beautiful that a novel
ideals which she can make the experience live meaning of her loss. She sees that not all which is about the differences between reality
up to. But this is real. Her friend's death is things are a metaphor for another experience; and fiction can evoke a feeling which is quite
the only real thing that has happened to her some things are just plain real. A dead girl is deep and real. J
which compares in dramatic depth to the great certainly one of those things.
I - POETRY
Only Trespassers Will Be Prosecuted Pools

Roots burrow under the earth. In every pulsation - I am. Lonely, the small droplet of sweat drips
The earth has hold of the moon. Snowflakes and roses Down the flesh. On its journey it finds
The moon is tugging the tide. don't redeem Other even smaller droplets travelling
The sea is salting my blood, what heaven has occupied On the same trail. As it meets these
is drawing me north, for so long. Miniscule pools of salted solution, it
with incredible strength. Gathers them, takes them into its abode,
It will take all my strength Splintered-mirror Becoming larger with every addition.
to pull my roots from the earth reflections, As it comes to rest upon a single hair
and plant them north. eddies of eons Follicle, the flesh moves.
I must be wild as the moon, of self-consternation.
hanging low and colored like blood The measure His brow creases, showing the concern on
at spring tide. is never accurate His mind. His part was done; it was over.
During flood tide, without He was sweating. Why? Why was he
when I am gaining strength, the decay and stench Sweating? He asks himself. He shouldn't
I would give all my blood of rotting moss Worry. He looks down at her. The hurt
to turn the earth festering Look, but somehow serene look on her face
embedded eternally Bothers him. She's watching him. The
and watch the moon
in young cerebellum. Deep blue of her eyes won't let him out of
from up north.
If I go north, Their sight. Those swirling pools of blue.
I will not have time for the tide; Yet! Ten-thousand years -
I will have to sleep away the moon. Snap! Lonely, the small droplet of blood drips
I will have to devote my strength All gone. Down the flesh. On its journey it finds
to remaining on this earth: Forever a memory Other even smaller droplets travelling
keeping food in my belly and heat in my In the blink the eyelash. On the same trail. As it meets these
blood. Youth embraced Miniscule pools of the deep-red sweetness,
But I like to think that when I am high in blood would have served It gathers them, takes them into its abode,
and finally north, a much better purpose. Becoming larger with every addition.
some nights I will nearly leave the earth, As it comes to rest upon the stark white
Stagnation Sheet, it creates a pool of its own.
standing on the coast of Maine to greet the tide
and gathering my strength attempts not at morals.
to howl at the moon. Nor ten-thousand years.
Moss rots -Lisa J. Tracy
Because we change like the moon,
because we endure the loss of blood, purposelessly.
women are said to have strength. Yet!
If I go north, Count the revolutions - I am.
I will have to be stronger than the tide:
Strong enough to move the earth.
-LaraJacobson

--JenniferC.Meyer

October 16, 1990 page 9


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8. Alice In Chains
9. Chainsaw Kittens
10. Flaming Lips
11. Die Kruezen
12. Living Colour
13. Frequency
14. Cocteau Twins
15. Pump Up The Volume
16. Soundgarden
17. Lemonheads
18. Dwarves
19. Dead Can Dance
20. Darkside
21. Crystalized Movements
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Mother, It Is You _ _

Norman Bates and the Showerheads/ Garino, share the vocals, often trading lines
Norman bates and the Showerheads (as in the song Desperate), and they play off of
Desperate Records each other very well. Standout tracks include
A Salesmen of Death (which is about working
By Scott Warmuth at Rickels), and Hellminded, a ripping
number with very effective tempo changes.
This is one of the best records that I have Marlboro Man is a blues number, and Woody
heard in years. The Showerheads are usually Wood, featuring Rob Schiff on vocals, is about
described as a cross between The Ramones the idiocy of smoking angel dust. The
and Motorhead, but there is much more than production here is superb and features great
that. The boys, from Queens Village, are crunch guitar. Norman Bates and the
superb songwriters. Their tunes stick in your Showerheads will be playing The Queens
head and the lyrics, mostly about everyday Theatre on October 26. For more information
problems, are peppered with great lines. write to N.B.S.H. at P.O. Box 402, Glen Oaks,
Guitarist Jim Starace and bass player, J. N.Y. 11004. ]

Yuppicidal I I - - - -

Yuppicide/Yuppicide year old men moshing' to the live version at


Evacuate Records the show, and Jesse Helms - an anti-
censorship ditty. At least the words are
By Rudy Babel intelligible (the only way to differentiate the
five songs).
I went to see Yuppicide at the WUSB Benefit Funkier things have dribbled down New
last Saturday, but couldn't understand what York's streets than this, but if you'r one of the
they were playing because of the muddled sheeps, fresh out of high school, who still
acoustics in the bi-level. I did get a copy of thinks punk is cool, of if you're old enough to
their single, Yuppicide, from a young woman remember when it was cool, Yuppicide is
associated with the band. worth the three dollars. UQ
The disc is standard New York hardcore
and thrash, with the usual cliche punk lyrics Write: Evacuate Records, P.O. box 2176
that could have been written several years Times Square Station, New York 10108
ago. It contains generic materials such as
Fistfull of Credit Cards ("One thing we
know/your philosophy has got to go/ we're here
for the overthrow"-BIG revolution-aries!) Be
a man (and slam) - which ranked on the 16 #
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Mother, Is That You? After some time wandering around the People (or should I say kids?) nestled in
Union looking for a photographer, whom I corners and walls (some even left the
was waiting for patiently , I walked into the basement) . I stood and stared at the "noise."
show and descended into the basement where I was also thinking about shooting those kids I
the music was set up. It was semi-dark and had met earlier.
the concrete surroundings provided a solid The music sucked. I couldn't believe that
basement ambience. A number of high school 99.99% of the audience was composed of high
kids hung around and circled the area, school kids. By the time I had stopped
dressed in complete military punk outfits. reflecting on such important matters, the
Everyone looked like skinhead-deadheads basement was almost empty. It was over
and pyscho adolescent-runaway-delinquents. before it was over.
I propped myself against the wall looking The second band, Yuppicide, was somewhat
rather bored and distant. For some reason, I better (or at least older) than the first "garage
wasn't into the show at all and was prepared to band." The singer had tattoos all over his
exit even before it started. taut, wired and pale body. He shouted and
When the first band began to play (I think it gestured like an ugly, demented Billy Idol.
was Big Nurse or Norman Bates and the The drummer was pretty good; he paved the
Showerheads), I walked around and spotted a way for the audience to return to the basement
few recognizable faces. They were looking and join in on the seemingly zero-gravity
By Rick Teng twice as bored and seriously depressed. I cage-like slam-dancing routine. The body -
kind of ignored them and went straight to the slamming got a little exciting as peaceful-
At the USB show, a few kids came up to me front of the scene to get a better look at the looking "hippie chicks" turned into zonked-
and asked if I could get tickets for them. After band. They looked like a teenage rock band out violent femmes on the roll.
I was kind enough to do so, one of the kids at a teenage punk's birthday bash. They were Unfortunately I was still uninspired with
grabbed the tickets and the change out of my playing loudly and poorly. All of the sudden, the show and left before the third act came out.
hand and ran off. I was naturally upset and a few people threw themselves into the middle The main attraction was the slam dancers,
felt like killing them but I channeled my of the audience and slamdanced. It wasn't who were obviously having a jolly good time.
frustration into another focus of tension, that hard-core, so I stood near the swingin' It was good-natured fun for the teenagers,
which was the WUSB Benefit Concert and the beatin'. The band was just loud and anyway.
featuring Norman Bates and the throaty, and the riffs were slightly damaged I went out out of the Union, chasing my
Showerheads. There were a number of by the bass' continuous banging. The shadow all the way back, muttering "kids,
scattered teenagers hanging around the shirtless drummer was working very hard, kids, kids," beneath the twilight. At the same
Union and the thunder of raw punk music but the sound dwindled into the background as time, I made some momentary glances at my
was vibrating the floor. I went into the both singer and guitarist thrashed out their silent images in the windows of buildings;
fireside lounge to get away from the lungs and livers, only to successfully drive what the fuck was I doing there?..shit! I missed
commotion. the audience away from the main floor. the Showerheads! A
iART
Mabi's World
byRudy Babel Closet Paintings is very much like a Robyn
Hitchcock song; it makes you want to turn
Nestled in the main library's often into Lao Tzu and ooze into the painting.
forgotten art gallery is a show called Closet There is a warm and natural spirit in the
Paintings by Mabi Ponce de Leon. DeLeon show. You can feel like a part of de Leon. Her
also painted the mural in the main lobby of personal statement, posted on the wall, reads,
Wagner in Roosevelt Quad (Stage XII). "I paint because I have to."
The show features several surrealistic The exhibit runs through October 19, so
works of art which are sensual, and yet experience it for yourself (especially if you
simple. The theme are water elemental seek shelter on a rainy day). The gallery is
aquatic images, with smooth organic curves, between current periodicals and the reference
swim among sharp and alien Lovecraftian room on the first floor of the main library. It
forms. The colors are very basic and alive: is open from noon to four, weekdays. QJ
reds, blues, and yellows. Primordial fish
sharks and seabirds whirl in the haze of
undersea bathtubs and cities.
I - , , -VIDEOS
The Audio-Visual department of the Main Brazil. A brilliant Sci-Fi trip. Sartre by Himself: Part I & II. An
Library maintains a collection of nearly 1400 unpretentious and enigmatic, yet simple
videos which students may borrow for three Last Temptation of Christ. 1988. #1189. The portrayal of the virtuoso French writer/
days. Including documentaries, educational controversial and extremely imaginative thinker. Rent this one.
films, as well as feature films, the collection version of the Gospel, according to Martin
has something to suit every taste. The AV Scorcese and Co. See it. Voices And Visions. #433. Selections of
department is located near the computer room poetic works including masters such as
and is open from 930 am - 3:30 pm, weekdays. Aldous Huxley Interview. Author of Doors of Robert Frost, Ezra Pound, Walt Whitman,
Perception in a candid interview. etc. Poetry through film may not be as
Selected Titles: enjoyable as those live open readings, but the
Last Tango In Paris. #585.. Sex, Lies and visual aspects of it can be startling.
River's Edge. 1987. #1258. A serious look at Marion Brando.
Modern Teenage consciousness. Our old Amadeus. Peter Schaffer. Life and time of
buddy Dennis Hopper plays a creepy ex-biker Reefer Madness. A comical but sometimes one Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, Hollywood
who likes to play with things... serious study of the effects of reefer on style. Academy Award for Best Picture.
deranged men and women. Take a hit, sit
Clockwork Orange. 1971. #223. An elite cult back, and watch. Dr. Strangelove. Stanley Kubrick. An
classic. outrageous black comedy that is It. so funny.
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GEORGE AT THE GYM


By Steven Kreps he has just thought of them a minute ago. television"), George has gone further into the
Compared to this spontaneous experience, the source of all this hypocrisy and is attacking it
George Carlin came to Stony Brook second time can sound so awful and stale that mercilessly. His bit about feminists going
Saturday night to spin his web of words. The you wish you had never heard it to begin with. overboard by wanting a "manhole" to become
crowd's spirit was pretty high, and overall The only other problem with George's a "personhole," for instance, was both funny
they seemed to enjoy the show. Opening act, performance was that he really didn't interact and relevant. But George has always spoken
comedian Dennis Blair, provided a catalyst with the audience much. When somebody these ideas. Now he's just stating them in a
for everyone to loosen up and feel happy (and groaned in response to one of his "distasteful" style which I find to be obvious and banal.
dry off ). His act was upbeat, containing "The seven dirty words" made a lot of similar
parodies of many famous musicians. But points about the hypocrisy of our use of
basically, he got the crowd ready for Carlin. language, but did so in a more humorous and
George is definitely starting to show his artistic way.
age. The first thing which came into my Anger propels comedy. Without anger,
mind when George took the stage was, "This there can be no absurdity, and without
motherfucker is getting OLD!" His voice was absurdities, humor is pretty difficult to come
raspy, and it lacked the dramatic effect that it by. Many humorists past and present, from
usually has in getting his jokes across. Mark Twain to P.J. O'Rourke, started out
Carlin used quite a bit of old material to with humor that was driven by some sort of
"beef up the set." It was nice to hear some of the anger but which in and of itself was not
routines again; we all want to hear George do angry. Later in life these people found
a classic piece like 'Baseball and Football.' jokes, his rebuttal was one of the few themselves turning into cynical old men, who
Even if that piece dates back to a time when spontaneous moments of his performance. It were too pissed off to be funny. Of course, the
you could get a Carlin show on an eight track may be his style to not interact with the anger does have to be there, but it can't
tape, it certainly warrants a repeat audience, but when he lectures to the crowd, completely infect the comedy. Otherwise, the
performance. However, George also repeated and it's material that we've all heard before, comedy evolves from humor to satire to
a good deal of the HBO special that aired about the performance seems all the more stale. soapboxing, and eventually winds up nothing
a year ago, not so much because those routines These days, George Carlin's material has more than mere incoherent grumbling.
are classic, but because he didn't have enough become a lot more cynical and a lot less For the most part, Carlin was funny. His
new material on hand. I didn't appreciate this irreverent. Carlin has become more of a brand of humor has always been entertaining
much.Comedians are not musicians. humorous lecturer than a comedian. This is
not completely bad. George made some good
and at the same time esoteric. It was great to
finally see him in person. I admire his work
While it is
nice to hear an occasional old piece, it's not points, which gave us something to think and can really see the evolution of his ideas.
good for a comedian to rely too heavily on his about. Instead of an indirect reference to the It just seems that he is starting to become a
old material to get him through what should be uses of language and how we show ourselves grumpy old man, and his act, while still
a new show. When you hear a comedian's to be hypocritical concerning them (as in "The funny, is suffering because of it. .
jokes for the first time, the impression is that seven dirty words you can't say on

BDP Teaches a Lesson


byKateOwen gazing hopefully at the ceiling praying for of the people, and more people are killed.
another blast of cold air. Once BDP hit the Love's Gonna Get Cha (Material Love)
They Said We Were "Animals" stage though, everyone's mind got so fired up warns against loving things rather than
we all forgot (but not quite) how hot the our ideas. All the songs preformed, such as The
Friday night of Homecoming weekend bodies were, too. Homeless, and 100 Guns, point to the inherent
Public Safety officers, in bullet-proof vests difficulties present in the life of anyone of
paced up and down Center Drive as 1500 people The Teacher Teaches African descent. The ideas of KRS-One are
qued for the long awaited and hard fought for worth loving. Like any great ideas they are
Boogie Down Productions concert. KRS-One calls himself the teacher, "the either liberating, or deathly dangerous.
Last year, a BDP concert was cancelled manifestation of study, not the manifestation All seven Dee Jays of BDP were present. D-
ostensibly due to a financial conflict; the band of money." His teachings are revolutionary. Nice did a mock- competition with KRS-One,
wanted more money for production than SUSB His teachings are broad. He ranges from the and although it was a bit hard for me to
was Vwilling to give. 1500 people, upon passing uses and dangers of drugs in beef products in decipher the word, there was plenty of
the safety precautions, received a flyer which Meat, safe sex in Jimmy is Wearing a Hat. competition for the two albums he tossed into
stated, in part: He tells us that "Jesus was a black man", that the crowd. Rebekah Foster had the crowd
"Certain individuals (In high positions) 'The Devil isn't a red man, the Devil isn't an worked up, and Jajnal-ski had me awed with
Didn't want us to have the BDP concert? They Indian, the Devil is a European." This his quick tongue. DJ Kenny Parker was in
said we were 'Animals' (Direct quote). They statement made me squirm, particularly top form, and D-Square led the men in the
felt since it's a ra~. concert we'll go 'wild since I have both Indian and European blood crowd into a little competition with the ladies,
ing' ?" (the European is again dominant) . I might which I believe he and the men won.
STEREOTYPED ONCE AGAIN" ignorantly have called KRS- One a racist.
This sharp rallying cry promoted a lot of However, in an earlier song, The Racist, he The School Learns
positive energy from a negative experience. states that "You can't blame the whole white
The BDP concert became a prime example of race for slavery". Like Malcom X, KRS-One The BDP concert was Edutainment for all
how people may out think the oppressor and judges individuals by their actions. present. It was a triumph for the group, for
change others fear and ignorance into Anti-racist, anti-ignorance, anti- MPB and SAB who had to fight so hard for this
cultural pride which is strong enough to teach. establishment , he says "The American flag class to commence in this institute of
is worse than the Swastika." The point here "higher" education, and particularly for all
Too Hot being that while the Swastika is now the the intelligent people in the audience who not
symbol of death across the world, the only taught the "higher-ups" a lesson without
Sweat rolled down many a back during the American government, under the American speaking a word, but came away stronger,
long wait for BDP. DJ Quick put together a Flag, has killed over 200,000,000 people of prouder, and wiser. Q
nice time killer. There was a real short African descent. Every morning as school
opening act, but none of it stopped the ladies ' children- :saute the flag, the white-lead,
from using the flyers as ffns or anyone from governret eontin-ues it's mis-infornatori

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