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GIVE PEACE A CHANCE
Hi MRR,
It was 90out, the sun wasb urning
hard, we were all thirsty, b ut the lines at
the water fountains seemedlike lines to
movie theaters
. It was totally overcrowded,
ab out
5000
people, b ut there shouldhave
b eenthousands more . Everyone there was
different in their own way, b ut they all
hadone common interest. . .PEACE . All
those people want to.goonliving andwant
tochange what's going oninthose multi-
storiedconcrete nuildings.
It was my first peace march, b ut
definitely not my last. I feel I shouldtake
time out of my life to try to preserve
everyones --try tomake a b etter worldto
live in. It was my share.
I was surprisedtosee a large numb er
of punks there . Some friends of mine
b rought a b anner reading "Punks For
Peace", "NoNuclear War" with a happy
face on it, with a mohawk
. They let me
march with them, andmany people took
pictures andfilmedus. I feel the punks
were accomplishing 2 things that day:
First was our part in protesting the
placement of the Euromisslies, andwanting
peace inthe world. Secondwas the fact
that a lot people saw us punks with a
peace b anner . In the media punks are
always lab eledas b eing violent and
self-destructive, andlet here we were at
a peace rally, which showeda lot of people
that what they see and
-
readis not always
true .
There were a lot of senior citizens
there, which I was happy ab out, andthey
were applauding us as we walkedb y . It
gave me a great feeling inside, andI'm
sure the others I was with felt the same
way . Here I am walking down the street
with greenhair andtattoos, looking like a
freak, b ut the other people there didn't
view us as ugly weirdos
. They just saw us
as people spending our time with them,
enjoying ourselves, taking time out for a
commongoal.
I hope more people wouldfindthe
time toattendthese types of marches, just
tosee what they are like . I think a lot of
people wouldfindthat they wouldenjoy
themselves too, andmayb e learn a few
things at the same time
. I think it's a
great way for people to have b etter
feelings ab out themselves, andget things
accomplishedtoo.
Thanks for listening,
Drew, AMERICA'S HARDCORE
IMAGINATION RULES
Dear Mrr,
Lately I've b een hanging things up
aroundmy city in the area where punks
will see them
. IT'S HAD AN EFFECT.
Someone hung up some "zzz Nazis are
b oring" posters they made in the
same
area . Andthere's other graffiti
. So
now I've startedwriting topunks andask
them towrite topunks in my city andI
hang their letters up onthe street
. I mean
it, 13 th Ave
. here is b ecoming a magazine!
I'dlike togive an address tohave
some people sendme stuff tohang up, b ut
I'm gonna move soonsomy address would
b e invalid. BUT, I'm going toa city with
a b igger scene where I hope todothe
same
. Soon, this will have gone on in 2
cities
. Wouldn't it b e nice if something
constructive, interesting, fun,
thought-provoking like this b ecame cool
. I
mean, all you local zine editors, when
you're b etweenissues, why not write down
some shit, make 5 copies, andhang 'em
up? Youknow they will b e seen
. All the
rest of youwhoare looking for something
todo--here's
your chance.
Mr. FrigidClaim
P
.S. Wouldn't it b e cool if } of a flyer
announceda show, andthe rest of the
space hadsome sort of infoon it? (I'd
think mayb e the promoter wasn't a rip-off
if he hadflyers like that).
P .P
.S
. WHAT IF it b ecame a standard
fixture inall scenes for punks attending a
show todrop off letters at the door, which
would b e takenb y the b and andthrown
out at the audience in the next city they
go to. Wouldn't that b e unity, easy,
possib le? Canit happen? Ask the people
whoare in the position todoit--BANDS
andPROMOTERS!
Dear MRR, WAKE UP TO VIOLINS
Your last issue was very good. It's
really toob adthat people keep criticizing
your political or serious approach topunk.
It keeps reminding me of when Nero
fiddledwhile Rome b urned
. I really can't
understandwhy those people are sointent
onmaking punk nothing b ut a musical fad
when it couldb e somuch more. As the
worldis today, people cannot affordtob e
apolitical
. That's what our leaders want.
They want the masses toremainhappy and
content while they dowhat they want.
Whenyouhave twosuperpowers b ent
on taking what they want andtrying to
b eat the other while threatening the world
with annihilationinthe process, how can
people just sit b ack anddonothing? If
something does not jar people intoaction
soon, this worldwill cease toexist. That's
where I think punk comes in andyour
magazine comes in. Something has tomake
the youth of today's worldwake up . We,
the young people of the world, are the
future
. It's our future that they are
threatening . It's going to b e up to us to
take some kindof action. The older
generations are pretty much already lost in
the conformity of today's society
. We will
have tob e the ones whohave tohave
open minds andhearts andlisten to
alternatives. Sure, we canmake as much
animpressiononthe older generations as
we can
. (The way we look andthink does
that in a sense .) But I think the focus
shouldb e onthe youth of today whoare
not yet fully-conformedtolife's everyday
procedure.
If youlook at today's headlines you
cansee we are headedtowardworldwar.
The Soviet Union andthe UnitedStates
each continue togob b le up parts of the
worldandput them under their influence.
Each one tries to b eat the other to a
different country. For example, Central
America, Granada, the mid-east. Each little
invasion or "rescue mission" is just
another step towardworldwar where an
actual confrontationb etweenthe U.S. and
Russia will take place andthe whole world
will pay the price.
As the U.S. tries to avoidb eing
(andcondemning )like the Soviet Union,
the more it b ecomes like the Soviet Union.
Sure, grantednow, the U.S . is a much
b etter place tolive, b ut how much longer?
Take for example the press coverage on
the Grenada invasionor how Reaganis
having all of his aides take lie detector
tests to stop leaks to the press . They
don't want us tohear the truth andwhat
punk b ands dois expose this . "Tell us the
truth;' like the SHAM 6 9song says.
That's why I feel punk is very
important . The prob lem it faces now is
stagnation. Bands will have tocreate new
ways toget what they want tosay across
without getting caught in a rut . They will
have tokeep the listener's attentionand
make them want to hear . That's a
challenge they will have tomeet if punk as
a movement wants tocontinue.
It's very easy to go through a
newspaper today andnot evenb e affected
b y what youread, b ecause everything is
laid-out perfectly andit's exactly the same
way the next day. That's why we need
fanzines andart alternatives : to b reak
that monotony
; the monotony of everyday
life writteninb lack andwhite everyday in
today's newspaper . That's why your
fanzine is soimportant.
We can't affordtosit b ack toomuch
longer . It really amazes me how much
people can take andnot b reak . I think
sometime soon, however, they are gonna
b reak . I just hope it's not toolate.
JohnJankowski
413 4 N. Monitor
Chicago, IL 6 06 3 4
Dear MRR,
In his review of my b and's first gig
(NY R.A.R
., June '83 ), Lyle Hysen got
our name wrong
: RING OF FIRE, not RING
OF GLORY . The source of usion is our
friend's b and, THIS WAY TO GLORY, who
startedaroundthe same time.
Next, the death of the NY B.Y.O.--
the cause of death: apathy, schism, the
tendency of meetings to turn into the
showcase for someone's ego trip,
popularity contests, personal grudges,
etc, etc
. It was a great thing while it
lastedthough. Every Sunday for several
months a large part of the NYHC scene
gatheredtogether andactually talked. It
was definitely an unusual thing tosee a
room full of 50 punks sitting aroundtodo
something for the scene.
Also, there was the Guildersleeves
b oycott, which has b eenattackedb y Jack
Rab idinb oth his columninMRR andin
his own zine, Big
Takeover, as b eing
destructive tothe NY scene . What didwe
accomplish? We got the promoter doing all
the major HC shows tochange his policies
ina major way--topermit people togoin
& out during the shows, topermit people
under 19(a goodhalf the scene, which
Rab idseems tohave forgotten) togoto
shows, andfinally, tofire a b ouncer who
was notorious for hassling punks . It is
certainly true that Alexander Hammer
Productions (runb y fat 3 0-year oldHeavy
Metaloids inLacoste shirts) stoppeddoing
shows a couple of months later, b ut tome
all that proves is that what we saidinthe
BYO newsletter was true
: that doing shows
is tooimportant tob e left topromoters
whose only interest in our music is to
make a b uck. Anyone with this motivation
will ob viously b ook only the surest things,
andquit as soonas there's a chance he
might lose money . Which is exactly what
Hammer did.
Also, I think it's pretty interesting
that in his extensive discussions of the
situation, Jack Rab idnever managedto
mention that he was employedb y
Alexander Hammer as a D
.J. at their
Guildersleeves shows . Interesting, huh?
I think it's a pretty sadthing when
we are told, that in essence, our music
will only survive if it's profitab le--1
wonder if he (Jack) ever listens tothe
lyrics? I am amazedthat we are toldto
accept this contradictionb etweenideals
andrealities as the natural order of
things . Mr
. Rab idseems toadvise a John
Crawfordpolicy of "Don't make waves and
mayb e they won't fuck with us"
. I think
it's pretty lame.
Anyway, the B.Y.O
. didmanage to
put onone show, which was definitely a
mixedsuccess--it was poorly plannedand
pub licized(I know I was responsib le), and
a girl (Polly) got stab b edoutside the
club , forcing us toshut down early
. The
club (SIN) was very worriedab out doing
the show, due tothe police harassment
mentionedinMRR #10, b ut they didcome
through, andI want to thank them, as
well as the b ands whoplayed
: DEATH
BEFORE
DISHONOR, RING OF FIRE, The
MOB, andCORROSION OF CONFORMITY.
NO LABELS, andNY's CAVITY CREEPS
were unab le toplay b ecause of shutting
downearly
. Special thanks toC.O.C. and
NO LABELS, whocame all the way from
North Carolina, andwere really cool
. The
MOB, on the other hand, demonstrated
why they're calledthat-- their arrogance
and"Rolling Stones" attitude was amazing
tosee.
So, B
.Y.O. diddie indeedafter
that-- in response to Jack Rab id's
criticisms, I'dlike to quote MINOR
THREAT:
"At least I'm fucking trying-
What the fuck have youdone?"
Sorry this is solong andramb ling--
it shouldhave b een written a long time
ago, andI hada lot tosay.
Live cheap or die! John Wendel/ 2 2 5 W
100th St/ NYC
Bands whoreadMRR,
Hi, Tufty here from TOXIC
REASONS. I'm inthe process of compiling
data onhow b ador gooddifferent record
distrib utors are inpaying b ands what they
are owed. So, if you'll sendinformationto
me ab out your b and's experiences, positive
andnegative, 1'11 b e ab le tocompile those
statistics . They will then b e printedhere
in MRR as part of my Tufty's Autopsy
Report, which hopefully will help b ands in
dealing with various distrib utors, andmay
help make those with poorer reputations b e
more responsive tothe independent lab els.
Write me c/ oMRR.

Thanks, Tufty.
WHAT ABOUT GRENADA?
How z it!
Usually I come away from Tim Y's
articles laughing
; paranoia anda lack of
coldfacts to sub stantiate off-the-wall
statements run rampant through his
harangues . His clear analysis of the
Grenada b omb asity, however, was
excellent
. It is quite scary indeedwhen
punks
apathetically allow "our"
administrationtooverthrow anothers. (And
this allowance wouldinclude the acceptance
of partial or misleading information the
media presents tous as news).
Some addedinfo: In the latter part of
1982 , the WorldBank describ edthe leftist
regime of Grenada as a remarkab le success
story of rising economic strength
. The
surrounding Carrib ean, mainly
conservative or dictator states, fearing the
threat of a healthy left wing state amidst
them (especially since their owneconomies
are facing enormous loandeb ts , economic
decline, andstagnation), complained
b itterly tothe U.S. andattemptedtoexpel
Grenada from CARICOM (the regional
economic andpolitical association) for not
having a "parliamentary democracy." (See
South Magazine of Developing Countries,
Feb '83 ).
I was disgustednot only with other
punks, b ut myself, for lacking
organization andthought- actions with
which tomob ilize dissatisfaction. Besides
the humane aspect this wouldhave b een
the perfect chance todemonstrate a true
"b andtogether andfuck the system".
Insteadof talking ab out it, when a real
opportunity of ob vious U.S. aggression
presents itself, we shouldact onit.
Now, what ab out Nicaragua
. . .?
Rosetta Tarantinofor Thrash & Tool zine/
87 -16 8 Mamoalii PI/ Mail; HI 96 7 92 .
DON'T GIVE UP!
Dear MRR etc.,
Insteadof b itching ab out anything
andeverything andtrying tooverthrow
the govt
., I'dlike to say that if we
practice what we preach, andknock off
the stupidprejudicedandsexist attitudes
andthe social cliquishness, we might b e
taken seriously andas a force to b e
reckonedwith. INDIVIDUALITY. Sounds
kinda strange, huh? I'll never b e a
"punk" ; I'm an individual that listens to
punk .
Secondof all, a wordof
encouragement for those of youwhomight
feel like giving up cos of a lack of
friends, pressure from peers, or
whatever. Don't!! Nomatter how fucked
"punk rock" can b e, it'll never b e half as
b adas your average b rainless, hateful,
sexist shitheadstoners that try tosquash
you out for b eing different. I overcame
that shit, in high school, even from the
"punk rockers", andnow my ideas and
thoughts are more enforcedthanever. I'm
writing lots of letters to people and
getting stuff pub lished. I feel goodand
I'm not giving up, despite how alone I feel
sometimes . Don't give up.
Brian
Walsb y/ 3 03 6 N Arlington/ Simi
Valley, CA 93 06 3
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draw logos, comics, or portraits of groups
for anyone that writes me
. Just request
something, senda stamp, andI promise
I'll draw whatever it is the same day and
mail it out
. Also, anyb ody with
transportationwholives inthe Simi or the
Valley andwants toform a b and(I play
drums), don't hesitate towrite.
GO DIE (FOR AMERICA?)
Dear MRR,
First, let me say that the mag is
great-- any pub licationthat covers music,
social issues, andinspires as much
controversy as yours does has got tob e
doin' it right.
On tothe sub ject of this letter . the
U.S. government decidedthat Grenada's
government was "endangering the lives of
100 Americancitizens, andhada few too
many complaints from the neighb ors", so
the government hadtogo. Sowe didwhat
has come naturally toothers inthe world
these days, andinvaded, took right over.
100 troops, with reinforcements on the
way . We also decidednot to b ow to
"insidious cowards, terrorists", b y sending
another 1000 Marines toBeirut toget their
asses b lown off in the name of
"peacekeeping force" . Freedom andall
that.
I guess with all this shit going down
I thought it wouldb e a goodidea toask
all of youanti-political 'havin' fun" punks
if you finally see just what the fuck this
mag anda hell of a lot of other people
have b eensaying? Shit, mayb e the F .U.'S
shouldgoplay a U.S.O. show inLeb anon
for morale, andtoprove that "America
Rules" . I b et it wouldb e a gas; who
knows, mayb e evendoa live alb um or at
least an EP! I just wonder if you'll b egin
tosee just how much of your life youhave
control over
. Youcan't manage your own
fate whenyoudon't have one. Noone is
asking you to join the Young Socialist
Alliance or something, b ut just tothink
ab out the worldyou live in once in a
while, or reada newspaper . or
something--mayb e put the skateb oarddown
for anhour?
You cannot live your own life until
you are free todoso. Andyoucan't b e
free todosowhen a few jerks whoare
supposedly your pub lic servants are
sending troops aroundthe world, invading
unstab le countries andgetting killedinthe
Middle East without your permission or
knowledge even
. Shit, pretty soon they
might sendyou; then you can b e a
skinheadandget paidfor it . Youmight
even get todie, b ecause they thought it
was a goodidea or b etter way toserve
you. Sorry, I don't think I'm b eing
extreme or naive . Some of youdidn't react
tothis shit b ecause Beirut was "just one
of those terrib le things that happen" . I'll
b et some of youevenreactedb y saying
something like "Man, we outta sendsome
troops andreally kick ass onthose Arab
motherfuckers" . Rememb er : "America
Rules" . How can we b e wrong? won't
Z3 6 -- v,
ask the deador their families . It's
nice tob e really free, isn't it? Ask Gerry
Hannah or FredHampton. Soany of you
righteous punks who b elieve in "No
Future" shouldjust joinany b ranch of the
armedforces . They'll insure it!
Sothink ab out it, claim your life and
fight for it or just fuckin forget ab out it
andlose your right toit . Stop ragging the
b ands like MDC, CLITBOYS, DK'S,
DICKS, whoare concernedfor youas well
as themselves andare trying topresent
informationandalternatives tonihilism and
the NY Times. Thom Jurek/ 3 13 Pauline/
AnnArb or, MI 48103 .
Dear MRR SAVE THE ROCKS
Goodevening or whatever time you
may readthis
. I must congradulate MRR
for the fins article ab out 6 0' s punk in#10.
It's sadtoknow that many kids associate
the 6 0's with the long hair, andsloppy,
muddy, andpretentious Woodstock era.
Perhaps this article will openmany minds
andears to one of rock's, andyouth
culture's, highest peaks.
I'm almost 2 6 now, andwas a child
during the 6 0's punk era
. However,
during this time, I listenedtothe radio
andheardnot only great national punk
hits, b ut also the sounds of Tucson's
DEARLY BELOVED, SOT WEED FACTOR,
The OCCASSIONALS, The GRODES, The
LEWELLEN BROS., andmany others. A
childb ack then could(anddid) watch
Hullab aloo, Shindig, Where The ActionIs,
andlocal teenshows onTV everywhere,
showing youth culture . It's toob adsuch
things don't exist anymore. There were
chilling moments, such as a long haired
(not hippie haired) Roger McGuinnstaring
straight intothe camera andsinging tothe
nation "Come mothers andfathers
throughout this land, anddon't criticize
what youcan't understand, your sons and
daughters are b eyondyour command
. . ."
Why can't we see BLACK FLAG sing "Rise
Ab ove" inthis era?
Because of media supression and
living inthe cultural wastelandof Tucson
inthe 7 0's, I never knew anything ab out
the new punk rock until late '7 8. It's
funny that I thought I caught the new
punk toolate! Anyway, all the fun was
b ack in Rock'n'Roll! Bands were doing
their own things again, putting out their
ownrecords . People starteddressing cool
againandb ands startedtospring up all
over the place! I was ecstatic that there
was a youth cultural renaissance! I
thought that Rock'n' Roll was saved.
eY,
Os&MOtfS
',e Ca/ A
p,,ay Fas+Ee
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It is andit isn't. The undergroundis
at the healthiest it's ever b een, b ut the
mass media sucks ass as b adas it's b een
since 196 9. Even worse, with all this
gutless synth plastic shit. I hope that
people get intensely reb ellious against the
nu-discowaveoshit . It's happening, b ut
toomany people are getting caught up in
the lifeless shopping mall rock . A Flock of
Haircuts is inits place inanelevator, b ut
nowhere else!
It's ob vious that I'm not very
politically motivated(although I am aware)
b ut inthis for real love of music . Soturn
it up, learn toplay an instrument, get a
group together, andkeep the reb ellion
alive! ! !
Lee Joseph/ Iconoclast Int'1/ TucsonAZ
BOARD FINN
Dear MRR,
I am not a long-time devotee of MRR,
b ut every single time I pick up an issue
I've b een gladI've spent my b uck on
something as worthwhile
. My particular
favorite at the moment is-Yes! Yes! Mykel
Board! Why?
First of all, I'm half Finnish, and
spent my young life andassortedvacations
over there, lately with a b unch of
hardcores. Mykel's view of Finlandis
pretty good, except there's really nosuch
thing as a job unless yougotospecialized
schools which start around9th grade (how
many of youknew what youwantedtodo
for life in 9th grade?) . Also, Finns have
hideous racist tendencies--I shouldknow,
b eing Finland's only mulatto punk!!!
Although punks are over-all cool, skins
are pigs--some b eing b ona-fide memb ers of
the Nazi Party or the National Front.
There is a strong skin/ punk feud,
especially inTampere
. Also, Mykel says
Finns are sexually secure--my ass! They
drink

too

much

to

b e

sexually
secure . . .andsex isn't affection.
I alsolike Mykel's attitude on sex.
Rah! Rah! Rah! (Finns are notoriously
homophob ic-- it's all the saunas and
overcompensation)
Anyway, keep up the goodwork! I
shouldb e going b ack toFinlandsoon-Rah!
Rah! Rah! Watch for me in your import
b ins.
Love 6 affection, Satu-Maarja (Black
Finn)
Dear MRR:
This letter is for the b enefit of Mykel
Boardwho, although he evidently values
freedom of expression, ab uses this right
b y mentioning a very sensitive sub ject and
thenramb ling onab out his experience ina
Finnish sauna
. In his column (Oct - Nov.
'83 ) Mykel chastises those whowish tosee
the English language modifiedfor the
purpose of eliminating discriminationand
complains that words such as "girl" and
"negro" are considered"dirty" words. Has
our up todate columnist never considered
the implications of such changes? Perhaps
it hasn't occuredtohim that societal roles
are gradually improving andwith that
change we must have new words to
represent current ideas.
Next time Mykel writes a column I
hope he'll stick to one idea andfollow
through with it. Not only didhe hit the
sub ject andrun-- b ut he missedthe entire
point .
Leigh Silverman, Rennes, France
BETTER READ THAN DEAD
Dear MRR,
A lot of what Mykel Boardsaidab out
homosexuality (inhis columninMRR #10)
strikes me as true. One thing he saidthat
doesn't make any sense tome whatsoever
is the legend:"Punk rednecks (whodon't
readthis magazine) will b e angry
."
How, if I may b e sob oldtoask, is a
punk redneck going' tob e pissedab out
anything Mykel Boardwrote in MRR if
they don't readit? It seems tome that if
one is pissedab out what is written in
MRR, they must have readthe article in
questionprior togetting irate over it.
Evenif punk rednecks whohaven't
readBoard's opinions inMRR were told
ab out it b y a redneck whohas, doesn't it
seem likely that saidpunk redneck would
b e curious enough toreadthe offensive
article for himself? Those letters I've read
coming from punk rednecks that have read
MRR, which slag the likes of Tim, Jeff,
Dave MDC, etc
., for b eing "preachy" (if
strong opinions make for preachiness, then
we all must b e closet Falwells, right?), are
silly enough
. Toget downonMRR without
ever reading it strikes me as an even
b igger andmore ludicrous self-copulation.
Now it's true that those who are
gonna get down on MRR andwhat's
printedin there, don't always b other to
think ab out why Boardor Jack Rab idsay
such things. Andthere's those whodo,
andstill findfault with what's b eing said.
In either case, it's unfair andunwise to
assume that those whocomplain ab out
opinions haven't readthe column. At least
tome, anyway .

Juliet Jake, Radfanzine

Dear MRR,
This letter is in reference toMykel
Board's columnin#10 ab out the article in
#9ab out "Punk 'fag b ashers"' . Let me
explain that I am a gay punk
; that is to
say, I am a punk whohappens tolove
other menmore thanI love women.
It disappointedme toreadthat punks
hadb eguntogoout andb eat up gay men.
I hadfoundthat punks were most
1
understanding when I told them that I was
gay--because we are both groups which
are misunderstood and hated by society at
large, we have a lot in common. I was
outraged when I read in the Native, NY's
gay newspaper, that 2 men had been
attacked by 3 punks with baseball bats.
The man in the picture had to get 100
stitches in his head and face.
I'm sorry that I can't agree with
Mykel Boardthat the gay lib eration
movement has outlivedits usefulness.
There are only 4 cities in the US which
protect lesb ians andgay men from
discrimination, andNY (with b etween1-2
million gay people) is not one of them.
Until gay civil rights are guaranteedb y
the federal govt., I cannot agree that the
gay lib erationmovement isn't necessary
any longer.
I don't like the gay b ar scene any
more than Mykel does, b ut I think b ars
serve animportant function
. WhenI try to
dance with other menat 'straight' b ars, I
have b een sub jectedtoverb al ab use,
spitting, andphysical threats. I get
b ruisedworst dancing with men at
'straight' b ars thanI doafter slamming all
afternoonat CBGB's .
I agree that most fag-b ashers are
reacting totheir own feelings of love for
other men
. But Board's advice is toosilly
to take seriously
. Self-defense against
assholes with b aseb all b ats is almost
useless
. Mykel's Gandhian/ Christianidea
("Don't fight 'em, fuck 'em") is stupid.
The b est defense fag-b ashers have in
court (if they're caught at all) is to say
that the gay manmade a pass at them
. I'm
not a Christian, andI certainly won't turn
the other cheek
; nor will I love those who
hate me.
I
wouldlove tosee more
straight
people questioning the sexual roles which
they have b eenforcedintob y society
. It
wouldmake me the happiest personalive if
other straights reactedto anti-gay
statements b y saying, like Mykel Board,
not "We shouldtolerate them", b ut "We are
them
." Gay people don't look any different
than the rest of us (at least lesb ian and
gay punks), soif we all say we're gay,
nob ody canhate some of us without hating
all of us.
DavidFleiss/ 47 Claremont Ave #43 D/ NY
NY 1002 7 .
P.S. for Mykel
. Please don't refer to
lesb ians andgay menas homos
. I don't
think you wouldcall a b lack a "nigger"
nor a Jew a "kike"
; please extendthe
same courtesy andrespect togays.
BUILD YOUR EGO IN 7 DAYS!
Dear MRR,
I'm writing toyouse guys 'cause I want to
say something - I've b een reading a
variety of mags from aroundthe country,
andthere seems tob e a wave of anti-MRR,
anti-DK's, anti-MDC sentiment
; generally,
a

feeling

of

resentment

of

b eing
"preached" at. These individuals, or
groups, seem to feel that there is the
danger of a new political, or anti-political,
hierarchy in the form of "ranting, raving
hippie left-overs" . This is a matter of
course ; any b and, group, or individual
who espouses any political theory or
comment on a consistent b asis opens
themselves tocriticism, andalsoinevitab ly
b aiting andridicule
. Are the DK's headed
for rockstardom? Is MRR a front for a
communist-anarchist (or egotistical) drive
for organizational power? Mayb e . I don't
know, I live 3 ,000 miles from these people.
I doknow that with my limitedexposure to
political andanarchist theories, I have to
thank saidb ands and'zines for exposing
me toideas andalternatives I might not
have encounteredotherwise . Also, b eing a
semi- intelligent human b eing, I can see
as much as any fucking peonthat MRR,
although very opinionated, is alsovery
fair towards anyb ody interestedin
intelligent dialogue, not name-calling and
b aiting
. I've seen some comprehensive
reb uttals to the "UnitedPunx for
Anarchy" attitude (which as a movement
seems posedrather thanpoised), b ut for
the most part what I see is self-indulgent
ego-b uilding b y people who are either
apathetically or adamantly opposedtoreal
change as opposedtomere commentary.
Something I've noticedona more personal
level - you b urst someone's b ub b le,
damage the createdflow of things, and
they're gonna snap like commanddogs.
"Music shouldn't b e political
;" music
shouldreflect society - politics are part of
society
. Some people talk ab out b ands
jumping on the political b andwagon, 1
think it's more like some (a lot) of
assholes are jumping onthe criticize MRR
andDK's b andwagon. More thanthat, the
undergroundmusic scene retains its
vitality thruchange, yes, b ut much more
importantly, thruits social revalence, thru
the b ands' refusal torehash ina different
form all the hackneyedcliches offeredb y
rock dinosaurs, b ig andsmall. The whole
idea

of

democracy

is

audience
participation
; we are (theoretically) part of
our government, one cannot avoidpolitical
andsocial issues andstill claim tob e an
active part of our society
. Arguement,
discussion, discourse are precursers to
actual action- some people wouldhave us
b elieve that intelligence shouldb e left
b ehindwhenone takes the stage
. Bullshit!
Let's have more politics in music! Not
everyb ody canb e fully informedonevery
issue - sowhat, b ring it up!
This criticism of political music smacks of
3 rdwave pre-commercialism ; hangers-on
whomake it their life tomake sure music
stays "pure" and"simple" - today's up
andcoming generations are threatened
more thanever with total seperationfrom
the actual powers that b e . Needwe widen
this gap b y suppressing this vital and
immediate channel of communication? WE
CAN"T AFFORD TO!
So, until the DK's signwith Warner Bros .,
andMRR sells out toHearst, Inc
., I'll
continue tolisten, read, andsupport what
I feel tob e their invaluab le contrib utions
tointelligent, alternative lifestyles.
Thanx, Blazer
DOWN, . . .AND OUT???
Max RnR,
We've b eenwanting todothis for a
long time, sohere it goes. We usedtob e
involvedwith the "hardcore" scene here in
NY
. That was when there really was a
strong feeling of unity, compassion, and
individuality.
If youever come tocheck the scene
out here, you'dmost prob ab ly b e very
disappointed
. It seems that everything the
"scene" has strivedto b ecome, has
completely diminished. A few years ago,
skins-punks, it just didn't matter
. Now
they are b asically seperated, andas far as
we can see, it's for goodreason. Who
wants tob e associatedwith b eating up
homosexuals! There is a specific group of
skinheads who
. for some strange reason,
feel that they can dothis. Don't they see
that they are contradicting everything
they saidthey stoodfor? They don't want
toknow from anyone who's different from
them
. They themselves won't b e toldwhat
todoor how toact. What gives them the
right totell others what they shouldb e
doing? Of course, if youaskedthem why,
they'djust say "Well, you weren't there
andthey startedit ." Seriously, noperson
is dumb enough to start troub le for
themselves with a b unch of fucking
immature skinheads.
Anyone whois the least b it different
from the mainstream are fighting the
system intheir own way . For a b unch of
"non-conformists", they sure conform to
each other . Shave your head, wear your
rolled-up jeans, b ump flaps, comb at b oots,
leather jackets, ride a skateb oard, and
you can join our club
. Whenwill these
kids grow up andtake a goodlook at what
they're doing toa scene that really could
make a b ig mark on this screwedup
society.
We don't want anyone tothink that
the entire NY scene is like this . There are
a lot of goodpeople with great ideas.
Unfortunately, only ab out 2 0% make up the
goodpart. People like Stephen Ielpi
(FALSE PROPHETS) andJack Rab idshould
b e heard. They have a lot tooffer.
Mayb e BostonandD.C. were right
when they said, not toolong ago, they
didn't like NY. We cancertainly see why.
We are gladtosay we are not a part
of this hypocrisy any longer.
Signed-Twodisappointedanddisillusioned
people.
Dear Disappointeds,
It always makes me sadtohear ab out
people giving up onthe struggle
. Noone
ever saidthis was going to b e a tea
party . Throughout history there have b een
idealistic social experiments that have run
intothe b rick wall of reality . The lesson
learnedis that little utopias just cannot
exist inside "the b elly of the b east" .
Ultimately, those digestive acids, those
fuckedvalues of the mother culture,
permeate that b ub b le
. But that's whenthe
fight really b egins
. I don't b lame you for
feeling disillusionedab out that, b ut you
shouldrealize that we've just entereda
new stage inour fight for independence.
This is whenpeople like you, people with
compassionandintelligence, are needed
most
. It is highly unlikely that we will see
any "revolutionary" change inour lifetime
(although, history has a funny way of
surprising us), andthe real fruits of our
b attling will come much later, if ever . The
point is, if you b elieve in what you say,
then there really is no choice b ut to
continue the fight. Perhaps the punk
scene is not the b attlegroundb est suited
for you, b ut in many ways it is a real
challenge . Andevenif only 2 0% are really
attempting tothink for themselves, that's
prob ab ly a higher ratiothan you'll find
inthe rest of America.
Anyway, I hope that you can see
your way tore-entering the fray, andthat
inone form or another, you'll continue to
make your presence andb eliefs known.
Hope we hear from you!
hiNggne
. WOr) 011E .
Dear Reader (You),
Goalong with the intimidatedsociety
andb e acceptedor else die inyour grave-
lonely andrejected. I wouldjust like to
know the answer toone question: Whenis
the majority of the population going to
have the b alls toaccept real freedom?
Because it won't work with sr -1-1-
lI groups of
(alive andaware) people . I mean, could
youimagine a worldwithout plastic, cops,
cars, shoes, deodorant, McDonalds,
television, Wonder b read, racism, shitty
job s, nuns, Playb oy, missies, trash,
money, concrete, dress codes andmayb e
even records? Or does it scare ya too
much? If someone took your job andhouse
away andput youout inthe cold, THEN
WHAT? People do not control their
enviroment,

their

enviroment

controls
them .
Follow

the

masters,

follow

the
masters
. ..
Sincerely, JuanDoe, Phila . Pa.
P.S. Eventhough the letter is addressed
toyou, it may not b e directedat you.
WILD WORLD OF SHIT
Dear MRR,
Last night I went to see the new
punk rock movie, The WildSide . I lost a
lot of respect for the b ands appearing in
that movie . I guess they got a lot of
money tostab the scene inthe b ack
. This
movie showedpunks tob e sexist, racist,
andvery violent. At the endI couldn't
figure out whowere the rednecks andwho
were the punks. Granted, parts of it was
funny, b ut the overall damage done b y
such a film hardly makes me laugh. I
thought punk rock was non-violent and
fun- loving . At least it is in my scene,
andinthe few other scenes I know . Mayb e
I'm wrong . Mayb e punks are violent,
stupid, anduncaring . I was hoping mayb e
we hadsomething goodhere, b ut I -guess
not.

Brit Ryle, RichmondVA

Punk nk rockers
n rrr or Poland 's
conf used teens
By lltiYAN BRUMLEY
~{tociPlM eft.
WARSAW, Poland As a crowdofyoung punks
b rawledonthe dance floor, the leadsinger for
Dezerter screamedout ananthem towhat he called
Poland's "miscarried generation nosoak, no
future, nohope, nojoy ."
The singer hurledstacks of government andCom-
munist Party newspapers intothe crowdof 2 00, while
shrieking the word"propaganda." The title ofthe
song was "News ."The teenagers shreddedthe papers,
andlungedat eachother withfats, feet, legs, and
b odies iua frenzy that resemb leda fight more thana
dance.
ill, P lshpunk rock movement is small several
thouss'ad, according tolongtime ob servers Ofthe
Polishmusicalscene andtypifies the lag Inpopular
culture b etweenWesternandEasternEurope. But It
reflects the disorientationofmany Polishyouth.
"I LIKE PUNKb ecause It's the only music which
lets us get our aggressions out," saida IS-year-old,
wearing a studdedleather jacket andcroppedb lond
hair that he stoodonendb y dousing it insugar-
saturatedwater:
T he pun kw ar dr obe , he s aid, I s har d t o fin d I n
P olan d, w he r e clot he s of all kin ds ar e s car ce . " B ut w e
s t e al t he m, " be s aid.
While looking to the West for musical andother
culturalvalues, Polishteenagers feelthemselves firm-
ly inthe political grip ofthe Soviet b loc. Poland's
communist authorities b arely tolerate punk b ut see It
as a "safety valve" for the nation's disaffectedyouth,
a sociologist said.
Recent times have b een confusing for Polish
taetugers, whofirst livedthroughthe heady upheaval
gad
b y the nowoutawedSolidarity lab or federation,
thanendured19months ofmartial law.
N O W T H E Y FA C E an e con omic cr is is t hat man y
s ay w ill con fin e t he mt o fr us t r at in g Jobs an dde n y
t he mahous e oft he ir ow n un t il t he y r e achmiddle ag e .
"Why work If youhave towait 2 0 years for an
:
:aartment?" asks 19-year-oldSkandal, leadsinger for
A pun kr ode s udt an ~ain W ar s aw w at che s
D e ze r t ar , on o of P olan d
' s t opban ds .
D e s e r t e r an davocat ion s chool dr opout w ho r e fus e s t o
g ive his r e al n ame .
Je r zy K or dow lcz, adis c j ocke y for s t at e -r un P olis h
r adio, s aidin ar e ce n t in t e r vie w t hat " P olis hpun kis a
s ocial phe n ome n on r at he r t han amus ical on e . I t is t he
s pon t an e ous pr ot e s t of ag e n e r at ion , n ot on ly I n
polit ical mat t e r s but I n cult ur al on e s as w e ll . "
Gove r n me n t ce n s or s hipblocks mos t P olis hpun k
fr omt he air w ave s , an dban s s ome s on g s fr omcon ce r t .
D e s e r t e r las t ye ar w as calle dSS-20, aft e r t he n e w
g e n e r at ion of Sovie t n ucle ar mis s ile s , but dr oppe dt he
n ame aft e r aut hor it ie s r e fus e dt o pr in t apat e r for t he
g r oup. T he g r oupr e n ame dit s e lf D e s e r t e r , acon t r o-
ve r s ial n ame in mar t ial law P olan d.
A n ot he r r ockban d, P e r fe ct , came un de r g ove r n -
me n t lur as ame n t aft e r I t be g an r e placin g t he lin e " W e
w an t t o be our s e lve s " in on e s on g w it h" W e w an t t o
be at Z01 1 0, " ar e fe r e n ce t o P olan d's r iot police .
A n ot he r P e r fe ct lyr ic, " D on 't be afr aidof A n yon e , "
be came , in con ce r t s , " D on 't be afr aidof Jar uze laki, " a
j abat P olan d's le ade r , Ge n
. W oj cle cbJar uze aki . I t
als o ups e t aut hor it ie s .
"
P un khe r e I s j us t like an yw he r e , " s ays D e ze r t e r
man ag e r T om= W lan le w s ki
. " P un ks j us t don 't r e -
s pe ct t he aut hor it ie s . "
v
Dear MRR,
4- Here's an article I clippedout of the
Detroit Free Press onDec 6 th. The thing
that concernedme ab out it was not the
Polish government's "b arely tolerating"
punk, b ut seeing it as a 'safety valve' for
the nation's disaffectedyouth.
It's great that they allow punk
culture toexist at all, b ut I'm afraidthat
punk has b ecome more or less a 'safety
valve' inour owncountry
. A lot of b ands
talk ab out how they wouldlike things to
b e andwhat they don't like, b ut I rarely
hear of anyone actually b eing active in
trying tochange things . Because Polandis
b ig on oppression right now, the kids
make a difference just b y b eing there.
Sometimes I feel that our punk movement
has b ecome another musical 'scene' rather
thananything really constructive
. Mayb e
I'm just fucking cynical.
If punks really doaffect people and
government, they doit b y anindividual's
owninitiative . Rarely do we act in a
unitedfashion
. I feel it's b etter to fight
sheep attitudes andignorance than go
aroundsaying "nomore war" . Do you
know what I mean? Wars are either caused
b y self-righteous politicians, religion,
and/ or ignorance . People whomarch towar
are sheep of the worst kind; so if there
were nosheep tofollow orders andno
ignorant people/ politicians, there wouldb e
nowars . Is that toomuch toask? If it is,
@narchy andpeace are too much to hope
for.
I try to get people to think and
re-evaluate their lifestyles, andI don't do
that b y hanging aroundpeople whothink
like me . Christians think they are doing
something for the world, b ut they don't
challenge people . They hang aroundeach
other andgob lah, b lah, b lah ab out shit
andnothing really happens.
Why don't we rise ab ove the rhetoric
andhypocracy andb e more thana 'safety
valve'? Sometimes I feel like I'm b eating my
headagainst a wall.
Nate Buker/ ForcedAnger/ 2 2 2 N. 3 rd
Ave/ Big Rapids MI 493 07 .
PICK ONE: GOD "A", GOD "B", OR NONE
OF THE ABOVE.
Dear Max . R'n'R:
I was just reading TY's review on
CIRCLE ONE's Patternof Force LP, andI
have a few questions anBstatements to
make . First off, I'dlike tosay that I have
enjoyedMaximum Rock-n-Roll whenI was
in Philly in the summer, andwhen they
airedit on KPFK almost a year- and-a
fourth agohere inLA. It's great that you
support b ands all aroundandstuff onthe
radio. Not many people dothat here in
this ab horrently commercial city. Some of
your political attrib utions anddeductions
make quite a b it of sense andthe factfacy
youput out a very complete zine does not
fail tocatch my recognition. Over all, I
think you have the potential to b e an
"ideal" person, except for some insipid,
arrogant things you print or say nowand
again
.
On the sub ject of "insipid, arrogant
things you print or say" . . . Well, going
b ack tothat CIRCLE ONE review
. I've
hearda track off of that alb um ab out
Christ or something,b ut I'm not exactly
sure what the ideas b ehindit are . You
speak of "religous fervor" . Well, I wantyou
toknow that I'm only a fourteenyear old
ninth grader, b ut that diesn't limit me to
the stupid, teeny-b opper, Duran Duran-
type of mentality. I constantly readon
sub jects from politics, demonology,
psychology, cults, andthe true meaning of
Christia nity,

to

police

b rutality,
civilizations, andEuclidian Geometry
(which is the mathematics course I am
taking now) . Needless tosay, (have no
weak educational b ackgroundI wouldlike
toone day b ecome an astrophysicist,
artist, andwriter . Note the interest in
science
. It just sohappens that science
has gottenout
of handin the last forty years or so, b ut
I think that I may have something wholly
b eneficial toshare with the worldone day
- andit won't cause cancer (provided
we're still here)
. Anyhow, I am not
claiming myself to b e an omniscent
know-it-all, b ut there are just some things
I doundeniab ly know . In the endof
eighth grade, as well as the b eginning of
ninth, there were some friends on mine
andsuch that were getting their b rains
filledwith all sorts of crap - of what we
call "evolution"
. Perhaps I get my
scientific interest from my mother, and
b eing ab le toreaddifficult b ooks at an
early age, I b eganexploring theories such
as evolution, "the Big Bang", andthe
like . None completely satisfy the questions
b eing,"if the earth was formedb y gaseous
matter, where didit come from? Chemicals?
How didthe chemicals form?" You see,
they will tell you that they (as in the
gases) were made from dust andmatter,
b ut how is someone going totell youthat
without telling youwhere that came from?
It is an incomplete supposition, thus
leaving it unproved, andit will never b e
provedb ecause it is b asedondelusion.
Are yougoing tolet someone tell youthat
youhave evolvedfrom a primitive amoeb a?
Tell me, Mr . Yohannan, what createdthis
universe? Tomany it may not matter, b ut
if someone is going todeny the existence
of a simple solution, b ut offers nob etter
solution, then that person shouldnot
ridicule the simple solutionperson, for it
is the b lasphemeous personthat looks like
the fool providedhe has nodefenses
. Any
solutions? I tell you, the worldwill have
war andthere is nothing younor anyone
else can doab out it. No, it will not b e
WorldWar 3 , contrary topopular b elief.
You will see the fall of the US andthe
rise of the mid-east . The worldis getting
ready tob e destroyed, andthere is just
nothing you can do
. There is nothing
Anarchy, Communism, Marxism, or any left
or right wing politician can do. There's
nothing the Peace organizations of the
worldcan doab out it, andthat is a fact,
whether youacknowledge it or not . This
doesn't mean support war however, b ut
you'dthink b y now there will b e war as
long as goodandevil is inexistence
. As
long as evil is in existence
. When it is
done away with, war shall endwell.
Now, ab out God. If there were no
truth toGod, Satan, demons anddevils,
why is there such a thing as demons?
They hadtoget here somehow,no? Hey,
I've done lots of research of this type of
thing (ob viously you haven't, andyou
shouldb efore you go aroundprinting
unresearched, unimportant anduntrue
statements andideas if youare somuch
intooffering ideas tothe ever vulnerab le
pub lic. Andthat means people that are
"punks"), andthere have b een several
accounts of atheistic scientists and
psychologists that have b een severely
discomb ob ulatedmentally, simply b ecause
they have not b elievedin things greater
andmore intelligent outside of their false
theories andheedless conclusions
. Before I
make myself closedtoanidea, at least I
draw b oth positive andnegative
informationanddeduce from there . One
thing I have failedto see fault in was
Christ. I can not truthfully say tomyself
or anyone else that I donot want tofind
perfection(not personally, b ut just know
what it is) . Now what doyouknow ab out
Christ? Prob ab ly nothing, andif youdo,
tell me something that was hateful, lewd,
or uncouth ab out him, judging from what
youknow. If you know nothing, you can
not fairly conlude . I b elieve in Godand
Satan, as youare prob aly ab le totell b y
now, andI will tell you that if someone,
or something is ab solutely, 100% fair, it
will not force youtodoANYTHING against
your will
. Godhas not done this-it's
against his whole system- andb ecause of
ignorance on how toPREVENT all the
maladies of the world, the human race
continues to do all kinds of horrib le
things, which is why we're inthis present
situation.
I will tell you alsothat there is a lot
of "poseur" Christians andstupidpeople
preaching b ull, b ut if you know enough
ab out something people cannot easily fool
you. Many people are fooled, sothe whole
thing ab out Christianity is horrendously
b lownout of proportion. Yet I have yet to
see b etter answers come tomy questions.
Wouldyourather b e onthe safe side and
accept Him, or goonandlive forever (and
we are programmedtothink of an end,
b ut, no, no, noend) in defamation, filth,
disgust, andagony?
Some will try tosay that this is an
attempt toconvert people . No, this is
"something from the other side" . It is
another side of the story andthis letter is
intendedtolet you know that there are
some Christian punks that are
open-minded, andlike punk rock too. No
matter what I call myself, underneath it all
I am anindividual, andI am not afraidto
have my personal tastes . Yet whenpeople
engage inthis sort of morb idignorance, it
makes me furious. "The ignorance is
glorifiedas knowledge . ."
What is wrong inb elieving inGodand
Christ????? Why is it such a crime? I want
answers!!!!! When you b egin tosee the
famines, incurab le disease, earthquakes,
andwars, you will know the worldis
coming toanend(at least as it is now) . I
seriously b elieve that one day youwill b e
judgedinthe eyes of God. Where will you
stand???
LaurenLettman, los Angeles
P.S. AndI am not religious!!! And
homosexuality is perverse, ob scene,
b ackwards, andit will never b e attrib uted
as something clean, b ut so is a lot of
heterosexual activities. Noone canchange
it, b ut the people that doit. I donot hate
homosexuals, b ut homosexuality itself is
quite the opposite of what the Bib le says,
so that in itself is true ("the b laming of
man's evil-including homosexuality-on
Satan) . hey, why not put the b lame onthe
one whodunnit/
Dear Lauren,
Answers??? What answers? There are
nosure-fire answers tosome of these
questions
. All I can say is that I equally
mistrust those whoare ab solutely sure
there is a God, andthose who are
ab solutely sure there isn't
. Whoknows if
there is a God(andthen, which
God- ours, Moslems, Hindus, etc), a son
of God, a Satan, etc . There is noab solute
proof one way or the other. Soyoureada
b ook, a history b ook, written b y some
people thousands of years agothat say
certain things
. Mayb e it's true, mayb e
exaggeration, mayb e myth
. Every religion
his its b ook that says "it rules".
I respect your
intelligence, andthat
youdorealize that scientific theories are
just that, theories--b ut that doesn't make
your b eliefs any more credib le
. Despite the
fact that you say you're "not religious",
youdogoonab out demons, armaggedon,
prophecies ab out the rise of the Mideast,
etc
. Ok, you're free to findno fault in
the stories ab out Christ, andI'm free to
b elieve inthe Easter Bunny. Biddeal.
Soyes, we are all entitledtoour own
b eliefs, b ut I don't see that your religion
has made youopen-minded. Quite the
opposite . I think it has b ecome an
impediment, a divisionb etweenyourself
andpeople who b elieve equally as
fervently in the writings of their "b ook".
Plus, those writings seem toengender fear
(you will b urn on judgement day if you
don't signup), andof fatalism (our fate is
predestined, out of our hands, soget on
your knees andpray, cause that's all one
can do ab out this worldly situation).
That's nosolution, as far as I cansee--in
fact, it's a roadb lock to solving our
prob lems
. We got ourselves intothis mess,
andwe damnwell canget ourselves out of
it . Ultimately, it is up tous
.

Tim
VEDIC NUCLEAR POWER
MRR,
First off, you, as well as many
Americans, ob viously know little on the
sub ject of religion, except for what the
media b roadcasts or what you've gottenout
of speaking toChristians . True religionis
far from having "sheep mentafity ." People
like yourselves are continually trying to
take everything into their own hands,
using their short lifespans to simply
change conditions, findthe solutiontolife
andthe correct way tolive. Don't you
think it's ab out time people shoulddevote
some time tostudying pure religion? Now
I'm not speaking of the watereddown
sentiment people preach today . Don't you
think it's fairly ridiculous to think we
came from apes, period
.
.? These are just
mundane scientific theories!
Vedic (Krishna) history completely
andlogically explains our purpose inthis
materialistic worldandwhy it came ab out.
Youalsostate that anarchy might take a
long time towork, b ut it's possib le . Isn't
it very clear tosee how animalistic our
society is getting, andthat imperfect
politics andother self-made theories have
never worked? The movie, Another State
aMind, clearly displayedthat even
punks, when put in stressful situations,
let their senses influence their decisions.
This proves the point that we needto
develop control of our senses b efore we
canb eginliving collectively!!
It's easy to understandwhy most
punks don't like religion, most of it is
watereddowntranslations andmisleading
interpretations b asedon~ onsentiment.
study Vedic philosophy, andit is nothing
like b eing "leadlike sheep" . It's ab out
understanding whoyouare andwhat you
are . There are 7 volumes consisting of 400
pages each, just explaining creation-
precisely explaining the development of
life. There are alsovolumes discussing
atomic energy, andhow tocalculate time
with anatom. The knowledge containedis
extremely vast andclear, andwas written
5000 years ago. It does not take a "sheep
mentality" tounderstandit; b ut a very
keensense of intelligence.
People are sowrappedup intrying to
make their situationmore comfortab le in
material existence, putting their trust in
scientific theories . . .forgetting ab out God.
I thought the idea was to get out of
prison, not to just try to make a
materialistically comfortab le existence . Can
you say our "prison" has gotten any
b etter, now we are ready to b low
ourselves out of orb it . People are so
attachedtothe b odily concept, our b odies
are just a b ag of b ones, andwouldb e
nothing without the soul. What is the
importance of the b ody, since they just
throw it away whenyoudie? That's why
the soul shouldcome first, b ecause it's
eternal.
Just look aroundyou proves that
there is a supreme controller . If the earth
was tomove only a fractioncloser tothe
sun, we wouldimmediately b e incinerated.
Theories of science are mundane, they
explainnothing
. They only realize our
situation
. All they do is tell us what we
already know. I readin the YOUTH
BRIGADE interview that Shawn Stern
claims that science has smashedreligious
principles. It's ignorance like this that
makes us forget God! He ob viously only
watches TV andattends some sort of
university where they teach you this
mundane knowledge . If the theory of
evolution is sopotent, doyou think the
apes existing today will evolve into
humans?
The Vedas I have spoken of, were
compiledb y an incarnation of God:
Vyasadeva
. This is fact; it wouldb e
impossib le for any human towrite this
knowledge soclearly andprecisely . All the
questions do have clear andlogical
explanations . Whenandif this information
is tob e practicedandunderstoodb y our
world, thenwe will have peace.
Soplease, until youyourself have a
clear understanding of religion, don't make
remarks drawnfrom your ownignorance.
It's plaintosee these theories developed
b y manhave gottenus nowhere b ut tothe
b rink of annihilation. The reason I wrote
this letter was b ecause I was tiredof
reading ab out various people's
interpretations of religion
. If we want
answers, we shouldseek out the oldest
knowledgab le source . Ignorance does not
answer questions, it just closes minds.
Keith Burkhardt/ NYC (staying inL .A.)
(These opinions are those of Keith, and
are not those of CAUSE FOR ALARM (who
at the moment, are not together).
Keith,
Soyouhave your "God", andthere is
Laurenwith her "God" . Both of youclaim
tob e open-minded, andhave come tothe
inescapab le conclusion of the definite
existence of "god" b ecause of the seperate
"goodb ooks" youb oth b elieve in. Whois
right? Which "god" rules? Which b ook lies?
You b oth can't b e right. It seems tome
that your "b eliefs" are just that, andare
no more provab le than the scientific
theories yousodisdain. All religion does
is give one a spiritual andphilosophical
cushion to go through this confusing
existence with. It wouldb e nice if we had
"all the answers", b ut we don't. If you
b oth want tohave your crutches tomake
it through with, fine. But please don't call
others ignorant if they don't "b uy" your
b ooks .

Tim
P.S. Plus, I know from Planet of the Apes
that the simians eventually doevolve from
Roddy McDowell!
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N O W I T S 1 984
. . . "
Welcome tothe New Year, 1984 . By now
you've already gotten a b it usedto
it . . . .as its b een 1984 since the day you
were b orn. Andthat, b y the way, is the
main theme of this issue of MRR.
Throughout this issue you'll findus
ranting andraving ab out the sub ject,
whether in various columns or in
interviews. You'll findinformation and
postulation on many of the horrifying
concepts George Orwell incorporatedinto
his prophetic novel.
Unfortunately, most of the social and
political ideas he dwelt on b ack in 1948
have b ecome commonplace inrecent years,
andwe'll try toemphasize some of the
most critical issues here . Nolonger science
fiction, notions like Newspeak,
Doub lethink, the TwoMinute Hate, and
Reality Control are everyday occurences in
today's horror show of a world, whether
b luntly implemented(as in the Soviet
Union) or sub tly incorporated(as in the
U .S.)
. It might b e b est here to give a
little b ackgroundinfoonsome of those at
this point, for those of you whohaven't
readthe b ook inyears, or at all.
First of all, in1984, the worldwas b roken
down into3 equally strong political and
military superpowers (Oceania, Eurasia,
andEastasia), twoof which, at any given
time, were alliedandat war against the
third
. They roughly geographically
correspondedtotoday's divisionof power
b etweenthe U.S., U.S.S .R ., andChina.
Okay, Timmy Y says I'm a linguist . (My
mother says, "Why don't you get your
degree already andget a job !") Sohe
askedme towrite my 'Hello1984' column
onNEWSPEAK (see appendix pg 2 46 ff,
Signet

Edition,

196 9

printing)

and
DOUBLETHINK (pg 2 6 ff, ib id.--pretty
scholastic, huh mom?) First I want totell
youa story I readinThe INCAR Arrow, a
"progressive" newspaper printedb y the
"International Committee Against Racism".
Mayb e it's b etter toquote directly:
SOUTH ORANGE, N.J. Oct 8--Twenty
students today helda rally at SetonHall
University toattack a student whohas
b eendiscoveredtob e a memb er of the Ku
Klux Klan.
.
.Several students expressed
their desire tojoinINCAR andtohelp us
in our campaign against the KKK on
campus . We will b e having weekly meetings
andalsodistrib ute our petitiondemanding
that this student b e expelledandthat no
racist or racist organizations b e allowedon
campus inthe future . We aim tob uilda
mass multiracial organizationthat will kick
this verminoff campus permanently.
Here's another one, this time from The
Andthe shifting alliances of 1984 are also
tendencies we canfindtoday.
Another feature of the b ook is Newspeak,
the official language of Oceania, the home
of 1984's protagonist, WinstonSmith. It's
purpose was not only toprovide a way to
communicate the social values of that
"civilization", b ut alsotomake any other
modes of thought impossib le toexpress. In
other words, the language was constantly
b eing alteredandrefined, sothat certain
ideas (like "revolt" or "freedom") could
not exist since there was noappropriate
language to express them . Whether
through deletion, or through trivialization
b y way of ab b reviation or acronym, we
will point point out the scary parallels of
that trendtoday.
Reality Control was another b asic.
Through the media (with its constant
revision of history to meet the current
needs of the State, or through the
disseminationof extraordinary amounts of
non-essential rub b ish), the idea was to
render the masses incapab le of rational
self-thought, leaving them only ab le to
b elieve what they are told, even if that
directly contradictedwhat they hadjust
b eentold. Hence the mottoof the State,
"War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery,
Ignorance is Strength." Without toomuch
effort, one can see examples of
Doub lethink today--"MX=Peacemaker". The
main thesis in 1984 was "whoever
controlledthe present, controlledthe past
(andthe future)" . Andindeedthat is
true, as today's history b ooks andTV
shows contain constant re-writes of the
past, notab ly the '6 0's andVietnam era . If
the Germans hadwon WWII, don't you
think we wouldhave b eentaught a totally
different

"history"?
.

To

the Russian
people, Trotsky, one of their Revolution's
great activists, never existed--a
non-person, never mentionedinb ooks . In
the U.S
., we apparently never committed
genocide against

the

native

Indians.
History b elongs to the victors, andis
New Humanist, a left-wing "non-Marxist"
newspaper from Washington, D.C.
After a long b attle b y various
people's movements, pornoin Norway
seems tob e onthe wane . A decisive move
that way came recently when the kiosk
company, Narvesen, decidedtostop selling
the mainNorwegianpornmagazine Aktuell
Rapport. Narvesen, partly state-owned,
has kiosks all over Norway, and
distrib utes tomany other shops.
First we have a "progressive" newspaper
using Nazi tactics tohoundsomeone out of
a university just b ecause he b elongs toa
group with different ideas from theirs.
Thenwe have a "humanist" group proud
that a "people's movement" canforce the
censorship of a pub licationthey don't like.
1984 has always b eenwith us . Infact, one
athe only reasons we are ab le toget
along is that with our somany competing
groups, each intent onsetting up it's own
style dictatorship, the space they make
while fighting each other b ecomes the
space we live in. Whether it's the KKK or
Commies, pornoor punks, there's always
someone whowants tob anit, usually in
the name of "the people" . While assholes
on all sides fight it out, we can goab out
our b usiness . The only danger is:
someday, someb ody might win.
A simplifieddefinitionof NEWSPEAK, is
the process of a central authority
re-defining words in a way that will serve
its ownends. The history of the language
is ignored. Words are invented. Oldwords
are given new meanings according to
various nefarious intentions. I wrote ab out
totally sub jective.
The TwoMinute Hate was a way for the
State, andits media, towhip up patriotic
pub lic fervor against "the enemy"
. It was
how people were kept in line, keeping
them limitedtoemotional responses (rather
than thought- out responses), b ecause
emotions are easier tomanipulate
. And
today we get our ownTwoMinute Hate, or
Hate Week, onTV--whenthe Russians shot
down KAL 007 , or when Khomeni or
Khadafy or Castroare flashedacross the
screen, we are whippedintoan orgy of
instant hate, with people ready to "go
nuke 'em" . Alsoimportant in1984, was the
necessity of constantly 1awing that
"enemy", to keep people unitedand
focusedonanexternal "menace", taking
their minds off domestic prob lems and
creative, rational solutions. The enemy of
the moment always represented"ab solute
evil", which is something Ronnie has taken
to heart--the "satanic Empire" of the
Ruskies
. It's getting pretty close tohome.
I think I b etter stop here, b efore I get
too paranoid--the Thought Police may b e
"knock, knock, knocking at my front
door" any moment . But b efore they take
me away, I dohope youwill readsome of
the essays, andthe lenghty interview with
our own Winston Smith, which is , in my
opinion, the most important discussion
we've run. If b y some freak of chance you
haven't readOrwell's 1984, then
"celeb rate" this new year b y Going so
. As
depressing as the b ook is, the author
meant it as a warning tous, an omen of
the dire consequences of our failure to
halt that fascist 1984 scenario. So now
THE year is finally uponus
. The fatalists
among youwill prob ab ly b e "screaming" in
ecstasy, b ut hopefully the rest of us will
not sub mit our resignations tohumanity,
andb y our mere existence, b y our efforts
toassert our individuality collectively, and
b y our desire tothrow off the shackles of
conditioning, we represent a victory
. Let's
goonfrom there!
this a b it inanearlier column. We've seen
"Negro" b ecome "b lack", "girl" b ecome
"Woman", "Indian" b ecome "Native
American", etc
. There was evena letter in
the last MRR saying that these words were
created"b y the people for themselves" . As
if "the people" were a single organism,
like a jellyfish, whodecidedintheir mass
b ody tosuddenly change what they call
themselves. The reality, of course, was
that a few self- proclaimedleaders made
decisions inthe name of "the people" . At
least the UnitedNegroCollege Fundand
the National Association for the
Advancement of ColoredPeople hadthe
guts tofight the intimidation.
Whenthe D.C. paper says the skinmag
was stoppedb y "a people's movement", I
wonder whob ought the magazine inthe
first place, dachshunds? (I'm sure that the
anger causedb y feminism has caused
hundreds more rapes than has
pornography . Rape is an act of violence,
not sex. But that's another column.)
Since when didcensorship and"kicking
out vermin" b ecome "progressive"? Since
whendidonly those whoagree with you
b ecome "the people"? Since 1984, that's
when. That's NEWSPEAK.
Andthenthere's DOUBLETHINK
. That's
the ab ility toholdtwocontradictory ideas
at the same time . The example usedin
1984 is the mottoof Oceania: WAR IS
PrXCE, FREEDOM IS SLAVERY,
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH. Inthis "1984"
issue of MRR, I'm sure you'll readall
kinds of stuff ab out how Reagancalls his
missiles "The Peacekeeper" or the Grenada
invasion "a rescue mission" . What a
revelation! The government is filledwith
liars, hypocrites, andDoub lethinkers
. My,
my, whowould've guessedit? I'drather
talk ab out you.
You're prob ab ly one of those whosay "Of
course, I support the Bill of Rights
. I
b elieve in our constitutional freedoms ."
Sure, it's easy to rememb er the First
Amendment (as long as you're not
"progressive"), b ut what ab out the Second
Amendment (the right to b ear arms)?
That's inthere too. Whenyouwere inthe
voting b ooth, on which side of the Bill of
Rights didyou push that lever down?
You're prob ab ly tooyoung tovote . But
youwouldhave.
Andwhat ab out b eing too young? In
"progressive" Doub lethink, youth rights
are important. Give the 18 year-olds the
right to vote,

let them drive . But

Of course I realize my columns have lately
b eenonthe pessimistic side, b ut this has
just b eena reflectionof the times, a b reak
from that for a while, if youplease.
Today I b reak from my economic discussion
of music andits b usiness aspects (more on
that in a future piece) to focus on the
psychological reasons for the inherent
prob lems inpunk today (andinmusic in
general the last decade), a synthesized,
appliedversion of b oth things I've b een
thinking ab out as well as some class
notes from N.Y.U
. psychology department
course Psychology of Art, conductedb y
Professor Paul Vitz . The major topic for
heaven-forb iddrink? They might have an
accident--just like their parents do. And
what ab out sex? "Progressive" people think
that sex is a natural, healthy part of life.
One shouldlearn toenjoy it, they say,
without guilt or fear--unless you're a kid.
Somehow, sex with a kidb ecomes "ab use".
It is always "forced" . Noone your age or
younger wouldever want tohave sex for
fun, wouldthey? And"child
pornography"? A sinworse thanmurder!
It doesn't matter that many of the kids
involvedin it are exploitedfar less than
Mikey ("He hates everything .") Onthe TV
cereal commercials. (I know a Danish
kiddie-porn maker whosays that it's a
game for the kids. They love toplay sex
infront of the camera. It makes them feel
like movie stars. It takes a while for
adults toconvince them that it's "b ad"
.)
Okay, let's get b ack toyou. Youhaven't
your

consideration

is

EGO

ART
(motivation).
According toProfessor Vitz, there are 2
kinds of people whogoon tiger hunts:
those wholike tohunt tigers, andthose
wholike tosay they've b een on a tiger
hunt . In many ways, it seems that art,
andartistic expression in general, has
risentoa competitive positionwith class
(wealth) as a means of ob taining status.
This of course implies that creativity has
b ecome anavenue for people toachieve
self esteem, a self serving reason for
b ecoming anartist . Egois not necessarily
a healthy motivation for art, for in its
extremes, art is reducedtonothing b ut an
egogame . Insteadof anhonest commitment
toart, such expressionb ecomes little more
thana satisfactionof a pathological need
for self-affirmation. When "artists" love
applause more than they love their own
art, there is definitely something wrong.
What one receives is doub tlessly self-
indulgent, b usinesslike egomentality ; a
mentalit

that doesn't want toive, that

b een in kiddie-porn (b ut I b et you think
it's b ad) . You may enjoy a little nookie
now andthen, eventhough you're "not old
enough" . You might even drink . (Just
don't let the "progressives" findout ab out
it) . How are youguilty of DOUBLETHINK.
Youtalk (sing) ab out anarchy andchange,
b ut you don't care that MTV won't b ring
your message to it's million viewers
b ecause the, closest they get tohardcore is
JOAN JETT. You worry ab out
discrimination, yet don't move a finger to
change the drinking--or fucking--age so
that everyone has those rights. In other
words, you preach change for everyone
else's world, b ut whenit comes right down
to it, you're willing to put up with your
own. I guess that's why I don't like you
very much.
is, the self- ob sessionb locks a look at the
outside tofindsomething togive, which of
course is the death of art
. A circle is thus
formed: Egospeaks toego, andthe egoof
the consumer chooses this ego-indulgent
"art", much in the way that faceless TV
sitcoms or soaps or heartless, spineless
music are supportedsogreatly b y the
masses . (in the next column, I'll discuss
this infurther detail).
sum up Vitz's views, much of this
circle is simply a result of, or at least an
indication of people's insecurity with
respect tp their intrinsic worth, the same
sort of mentality that ledpeople tofeel the
needfor 'keeping up with the Joneses'
(now I know why I hatedJunior High).
Yousee, toomany gointoart as a way of
b eing valuedsocially . Such non- artistic
motivationb ecomes soremovedfrom b asic
love for art, that art is destroyedin the
process.
Most of my generalities from past columns
b ecome remarkab ly clear now . We are now
facedwith the major reason for punk's
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finally perpetuateditself, andindeedthis
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new reaction, whenit is the opposite . And
it is this b lindness that has ob literated
any chance of improvement, dooming punk
toevenfurther depths of ego-perpetuated
repetitionandderivative style.
Reading b ack through this column (and
indeedAs I sat inclass, I was all b ut ina
state of shock, it was sotrue), somuch
has b eenexplainedif one applies it . Not
just the music, b ut the whole music scene
is coveredb y this. Now you know why
people at punk shows slam, and
particualrly why people insist oninvading
the stage, andwhy apathy is soprevalent
at shows (also, why people gotoshows
despite a total lack of interest in the
b ands)
. Furthermore, it is easy to see
that the egoinvolvedkeeps people from
realizing how easy it is tosee through
them
. Andthose people whoare creative
L ive
like
?

B i l l
ALL WHITE
As the dreadyear is finally upon us, we
will undoub tedly b e delugedb y the
inevitab le andpredictab le comparisons
b etween the worldwe live in, andthe
worldenvisionedb y George Orwell inhis
novel, 1984 . Onthe left, the hysterics will
note Orwe)T's prescience
; inthat his vision
is approximately what our worldhas
b ecome . On the right, reactionaries will
chant a litany of privileges andrights,
andtake comfort inthe distance b etween
this worldandOrwell's. There will b e
innumerab le articles andindexes writtenon
the sub ject; politicians will assail the
sub ject for their ownends; andthere will
b e a resurgence of interest in
Orwell-indeed, whenI went tothe lib rary
toresearch this article, 1984 was anywhere
b ut onthe shelves.
What all the pundits andpoliticians will
miss is that Orwell's worldis not a
historical prediction, b ut a historical fact.
The worldof 1984 is b asedon Stalin's
Russia in1948, andlike another novel of
his, Animal Farm, 1984 is anallegory for
one man's disillusionment with his own
socialist leanings. This is not to say that
the war-orientedeconomies, the Newspeak,
the media control, andthe technologies of
totalitarianism predictedb y the novel do
not have a frightening resemb lance tothe
present day ; it's just that the tendencies
of some sectors of the pub lic tointerpret
the b ook in their own light will ob scure
the historical antecedents of the work, and
neglect the political struggle Orwell was
waging himself through its writing.
That struggle is the great unreadmoral of
1984 toour generation; we are not among
T workers andintellectuals of the 193 0'3
whoaccordedStalin's Russia the status of
Utopia ; we are not political progressives
waging a contest of fear b etweencollapsing
capitalism andassertive fascism ; we cannot
b e aware of the draw Stalin's ideology had
b efore it was taintedb y Imperialism.
Orwell was among the first, andthat is
why 1984 is soimportant
. It is not a
refutaUOnof Socialism ; for indeedOrwell
was a Socialist until his death. Rather,
1984 is a stunning account of the cost of
any orthodox ideology, measuredfrom the
andlove the music are sickened(as I am)
anddriven away from the ego-game in
search of other forms that have stayed
closer to 'art for art's sake', whatever
they b e.
Of course, there prob ab ly is some ego
involvedin the majority of artists'
expressions, b ut the point here is when
the egotakes over as prime motivation, art
is lost eventually, trampledb y the
,nevitab le lack of significant expressionof
any sort.
Lastly, twoother conclusions are reached.
It is clear now why a goodpercentage of
b ands b ecome semi-worthless after
receiving a certainmeasure of critical or
commercial success-- they are unab le to
resist that pull of ego("star mentality") to
the point where their former love of their
art has quietly departedin their new
self-conscious situation
. Andfinally, it is
nosurprise that most truly inspiredmusic
(art for people is that which transcends
the ego--for egoinnovationandtrue frail
emotionality runcounter toego
. In taking
this chance, in doing something not
instantly acceptab le (in not feeding the
ego), one is taking a chance ; that is, the
motivationis more sincere (or ingeneral,
just doing what youwant regardless!) . It
perspective of the common man, with a
poignant sensitivity tohumanfrailties and
strengths.
The novel's tone is gray, andthat will b e,
I'm sure, the other unreadmoral of the
work. More thana political treatise, 1984
is the articulatedessence of individual
despair ina worldwhere all possib ilities
are closedanddefined. It is English in its
sense of the numb ing paralysis of middle
class values ; it is Americaninits sense of
a lost andirreplaceab le frontier . In1984,
that frontier is definedas personal
happiness, individual discovery ; in the
year 1984 the very same frontier recedes
from us with startling spped. It has little
is this sincerity that shines through in
truly great expression, expressionthat we
are given, andcan think ab out, enjoy,
anduse . (In fact, much great art is
producedinsituations that wouldnormally
drive other artists out, instances where
the rewardis not only slight, b ut certain
risks, efforts, or penalties might b e
involved).
The point of this article was tohelp people
come togrips with the reality of the ego-
constraint, andthe mentality it produces
(the sort of mentality that advertising
continually preys upon) . Chances are, you
know it intuitively, b ut here it is in
commonsense . Hopefully, this will help
people tosee through the ego- indulgent,
sothey canb etter create andsupport the
creative (music for music's sake), a
b enefit we wouldall reap, through more
stimulating music (art) andparticularly
more stimulating music scenes that would
b e produced, like other creative
"movement"' that have arisen, the punk
movement once b eing one of them, you
know . Sendcomments! It's important! Send
to MRR, or to me at Jack Rab id/ 2 49
Eldridge St/ Box 14/ NY NY 10002
. And
support the creatively talently! (soundlike
a charity?)

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todowith politics, andeverything todo
with hope . . . We have come tothe point
where our reality is minedwith annihilation
andfrustration, where the only respite is
evenmore numb ing escape, andwhere this
generationstruggles not for ideological or
political Utopia, b ut mere survival.
That is not just gray, b ut arctic white,
andI suspect it is the greatest difference
b etweenour generationandthe generation
of our older b rothers andsisters. Unlike
them, we cannot circumvent the
technologies andideologies of Orwell's
1984, for we are not the victims of its
technologies ; b ut rather, the inheritors of
its tone.
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SEATTLE-HelloOutcasts! It's time for our
update . With school infull swing, andthe
ugly weather stomping down on us, it's
amazing that there's so many shows.
Lately, Seattle's mainorganhas b eenthe
ever-consistent all- ages club , the
Metropolis. HugoandGordon have b een
working constantly to have good
hardcore/ experimental shows at least twice
a week. They've b eenworking onvarious
ways tokeep the Met open, andmany local
folks are volunteering time tohelp with
b ookings, b enefits, andpossib ly a daytime
art gallery andespressob ar. All b ans
interestedin playing this highly
underestimatedcity shouldcontact the Met
at (2 06 )3 82 -9495.
Bands? SPLUII NUMA (ex-FIRING SQUAD,
LIMP RICHERDS) have playeda few times,
showcasing their extremely professional
metalcore . Comparisons might b e G.B.H.,
10 MINUTE WARNING, andL .A.'s AGENT
ORANGE . MALFUNKSHUN from Bainb ridge
Islandb low people away with their REDD
KROSS

appearance

and

way-more-
powerful-than DISCHARGE sound.
BOOTBOYS, who have the studded
leather, mohawk look downpat, have also
b eenplaying the Met recently. Influences
may b e DEMOB, the INSANE, and
PARTISANS. Other b ands tolook for are:
TRUTH DECAY,

YBGB,

DERANGED
DICTION, MARCH OF CRIMES, MR. EPP,
10 MINUTE WARNING,

FASTBACKS,
CIRCLE 7 , andDEATH OF MARAT.
KCMU, the local college stationfrom Univ.
of Wash., have b eensponsoring many of
the out-of-town b andshows. The
ACCUSED/ REJECTORS LP is, according to
everyone, "real hardtofind"
. So, if you
want one, findit from Fatal Erection
Records/ c/ oMalcolm Conover/ 6 93 E. 16 th
St!

Eugene OR/

97 401
.

Jeff Diction.
(DERANGED) is considering putting out a
Seattle

7 "

on

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Accusation
Records, toinclude all local maniac b ands .
Also, b e onthe lokkout for a high quality
cassette EP of new material from the
ACCUSED
. The ACCUSED andDERANGED
DICTION are heading tothe Midwest and
East this summer, saying "fuck no" to
L .A., b ecause the Olympics are gonna b e
the worst paininthe ass since pub ic lice
andscab ies.
Rememb er, quit living for your pasts, and
make the b est of our presents, cause we're
all still outcasts
. Lonely outcasts canwrite
the ACCUSED at 1516 N 19th St #13 0/ Mt
VernonWA/ 982 7 3 .

Tom Niemeyer
b y Murray Bowles/ M.Y.O.
Berkeley lost its b est recordstore,
Universal Records. They're moving to
cheaper quarters on Haight St (or
somewhere), making way for the continued
mallification of Telegraph Ave (Jean's
West, Mrs . Field's Cookies?).
M.D.C. headlineda splendidgoing-away
show at the Mab , andare off toEurope
andEnglandfor a few months, starting
with some gigs in Hollandto help out
B.C.K., whoare fighting squat evictions
(the continuedAmericanization of
Amsterdam b y Holiday Inn).
The D.K .'S dida couple of "experimental"
gigs at the Keystone Berkeley andthe
Stone inS.F ., the idea b eing tob reak in
a couple of 'rock palaces' tohardcore, now
that the TOXIC REASONS new LP due out
soon, andthenit's off toEurope for them
too
. Elite Club is gone . I don't know . ..
The Mab (415)82 2 -3 7 16 andRuthies
(415)849- 3 2 58 inBerkeley (ask for Wes)
are b ooking more punk more reliab ly these
days
. In fact, the "off andon" punk
b outique inthe Mab is evenb ack, selling
records, b adges, andstuff at shows. The
On Broadway continues along too
(415)3 98-0802 .
Also b ack, "Punk Rock
violence", inanunexpectedrevival at the
last AGENT ORANGE show andseveral
sub sequent gigs . . . .D.R.I
. now do an
amazing 51 songs in45'minutes
Godvisitedus, in the form of the
REPLACEMENTS, andmany recognizedHim
not . Three totally awesome gigs (as Jeff
Bale wouldanddidsay), andnoone there
tosee them
. What gives? Alsothrough:
D .O.A., looking andsounding their b est
in a long time
. WURM (2 visits in 5
weeks!), SUICIDAL TENDENCIES, STALAG
13 andRICH KIDS ON L.S.D. (come
b ack') . . .
.DISCHARGE andPETER 6 TEST
TUBE BABIES.
InSanJose, GRIM REALITY reorganized,
playeda b uch of shows in the city, then
lost its drummer andb assist.
EXECUTIONER is reorganizing . Lemon
Fresh PLEDGE OF DEFIANCE played,
b roke up, andreformedwithina week . Ian
McKostenb aum is forming TIM YOHANNAN'S
ARMY . An anti-FACTION b and, SPINAL
TAP, formed. A 7 " compilation, Poison
Valley, is coming out, andso, I guess,
are the RIBZY andLOS OLVIDADOS
records.
M.A.D. reformedandplayed, after, loosing
shredsational Steve toBoston. CRUCIFIX
lost guitarist Jake and, temporarily at
least, replacedhim with Drew of A
.H
.C.
for their U.S
. andEuropeantour . Rumors
to the contrary, CRUCIFIXare not
"thrown off" Corpus Christi Records
b ecause of personnel changes
. FREE BEER
is b ack, KWIKWAY is almost b ack, b ut
where is INTENSIFIED BLUEBEARD?
BY CHRIS CHARUKI

'Photob y Anita
The Vats are the oldHamms Brewery
b uilding . It's inthe warehouse part of San
Francisco's MissionDistrict, sob ands can
practice as loudandas late as they would
like . The rent for rehearsal space is
monthly andcheap. It's a great workspace
for musicians andartists-- they lock
themselves in a vat that usedto hold
50,000 gallons of b eer.
Beautiful, right?? Wrong! S.F .'s "Urb an
Machine" has decidedthat the city doesn't
make enough money off the b uilding and
the owners, whoare inandout of court,
don't give a shit ab out all the good
material that comes out of there . At last
word, everyone has tob e out of the Vats
b y March sothey can tear it down and
replace it with something as useless as a
parking, lot! Great idea, huh?
So while it still lives, we thought we'd
present you with some infoon the final
generationof Vat b ands, b esides the more
well-knownones like M.D.C. andD.R.I.
SLUGLORDS
Willie-b ass
Steve-guitar, vocals
John-drums, vocals
The SLUGLORDS play a strange b rew of
metal- hardcore with a twist of jazz
influences
. They are definitely a Vat
b and
. They b eganinthe Vats inFeb . '83 ,
andplayedtheir first gig on April Fool's
Day . They have a variety of b ackgrounds.
Steve was the original guitarist for BAD
POSTURE, b efore they moved- toNew
York, andplayedb ass for FLIPPER ona
recent tour of their's . Willie is a classical
pianist, andJohn was with MINDLESS
THUGS, also
a Vat b and. John is on tour
right now in Europe with M.D.C., filling
in on drums. When he returns to the
SLUGS, they'll plan a U.S
. tour for the
Spring . They now have a deb ut 12 " EP,
out on Slime Records (their own lab el),
entitledTrails of Slime . Sendhate mail and
threats to :SLUGLORDS/ c/ oSlime
Records/ 12 1 Ca. St./ S.F., CA 94110.
BARELY HUMAN
Shellee-vocals
Angie Mima-b ass, vocals
Carmine-drums
A unique b andwith aneerie b ass sound.
They acquiredthat soundb ecause they
don't use a guitar andthey don't give a
damn ab out anyone who thinks they
should. Shellee andAngie are b oth from
Portlandoriginally, andb oth in a b and
there calledBRAPH SMEARS (which also
featuredSADONATION's Mish Bondage).
They met up againinS.F., andnow b oth
pretty much run the Vat studios
. They
met Carmine, formerly of PRIMAL SCREAM,
andthat gave b irth toBARELY HUMAN.
They have recording plans, andhope to
have a single out inFeb ruary
. They also
will have a cut onthe Vat CompilationLP.
The address is c/ o Angie Mima/ 3 12
GuerreroSt/ S.F ., CA 94103
Lee-b ass, vocals
Ed-drums
Jeff-guitar
Fast andaggressive thrash music dealing
with social prob lems andhumanrelations is
their approach. Originally calledSTATIC
3 , they giggedaroundS.F
. all Summer,
andnow have the new name anda new
guitarist
. They exemplify what the Vats
mean: neither Lee nor Edever playedan
instrument b efore coming tothe place
. If
it wasn't for the Vats, BORN TO KILL
wouldn't b e happening at all. They have
plans for a possib le U.S . tour with
D .R.I
., andplans for a single after that.
A demotape, t-shirts, andstickers are
availab le

b y

writing :

B.T.K./

12 15A
Broadwick st ./ S.F., CA

.
CONDEMNED TO DEATH
Eddie-vocals
Tim-guitar
Keith-b ass
Mike-drums
Another b andthat couldn't have done it
without the Vats. They startedthere in
March, '83 , andhadgigs all over S.F.
The songs present anhonest, up-to-date,
unb iasedview of life that utilize humor,
reality, personal experiences, andfears.
These are all appliedtotheir ownpersonal
style of noise . They have a 7 -song EP out
now on R-Radical records called
CondemnedToDeath, dedicatedtothe
Vats . They will soon goon a Northwest
tour (Eddie usedto b e the singer for
Portland's ICE 9, whohadan EP out 4
years ago) . For records, info, write: C2 D/
3 12 GuerreroSt/ S.F ., CA 94103 .
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Dave Dick-guitar, vocals
Bill-drums, vocals
Gino-b ass, vocals
Dave Dick andBill were b oth inanearlier
S .F. punk b andcalledthe WITNESSES,
b ut they haven't b een together for a
while . An oldfriend, Gino, has joined
them onb ass, toform anas yet unnamed
b and. They play fast rock'n'roll with
heart . They alsohave a 4 track recording
studiointheir rehearsal space, andDave
Dick has b eenmainly responsib le for the
forthcoming "Vats CompilationLP" . They'll
have one cut on it, as do most of the
other b ands namedinthis article . They're
looking for a warehouse or something with
a co-operative attitude to replace that
aspect of the Vats toset up a new, cheap
recording studioandrehearsal space . Good
luck.
Write Dave Dick c/ o
: Vats/ 145 Florida
St/ '
S.F . CA
94103
DICKS
Gary Floyd-vocals
Tim-guitar
Seb astian-b ass
Lynn-drums
Deb b ie-spiritual advisor
The original DICKS are nomore . Personal
prob lems causedthem to b reak up
(however, their LP Kill From The Heart is
still availab le onSST Records)
. Gary, with
the help of Deb b ie Dicks, just wouldn't let
the spirit of the DICKS die, andreturned
to S.F . from Texas andrecruited: Tim
(ex-12 YEAR OLDS), Seb astian
(ex-POLICE STATE, D.R.I .), andLynn
(ex-WRECKS) . They thenrenteda vat and
moldedthe new DICKS. They're dedicated
tocarrying onthe social consciousness of
the original b and
. Their new 3 -song EP is
out now on R-Radical Records, andis
calledDicks*** Peace? They alsohave
tour plans for April, spanning the U.S.,
Canada, andMexico
. They feel a great
loss with the closing of the Vats, as it was
the place they could"get it all together".
DICKS : P.O. Box 42 5/ SF CA 94101
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punks, insteadof jocks like at a numb er
of club s) . Now, aren't these actions real
"punk rock"? The promoter retaliatedb y
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weeks, andnow these "punks" complain. I
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heldagainst Club Minimal b y punks
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everything went all right. Sportsman
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promoters b esides the original organizers,
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drummedfor, SIN 3 4, has disb anded
w/ Julie forming her own all-girl comb o,
Mike in the ATOMS, andPhil andDave
staying together toform new b andand
further the SpinheadRecordlab el with a
forthcoming LP b y the dispersedMilwaukee
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inoperab le w/ Drew off touring England
with S.F
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forming new groups
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b reak-up, as doRF7
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well, we can only wait tosee what rises
from the ashes, andb y the looks of the
ashes, there was a huge fire.
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over the touring "b ig-time" English b ands
playing L.A
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S .F .'s ownDICKS andCODE OF HONOR.
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opening slot on another "b ig" hall show.
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new year
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andhosts 3 or 4 shows weekly
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decide togothere however, b eware of
record coming out soon), DC3, and the
GRIM (who are very reminiscent of
FLIPPER) . My'good buddies' KILLROY have
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L.A
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force andwith recording plans.
Uh. . .SUICIDAL TENDENCIES are offering
a complete line of apparel from shirts to
painter hats to "get out of deb t",
according toGlen E. Other LP's to b e
releasedare RED SCARE's, with the help
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out a poll of L
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the JONSES as #1
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.b ut with whose votes?
Andwinding up this month's report,
here's a statement for the New Year:
There's no such thing as Hardcore.
There's nosuch thing as Punk
. There's no
such thing as Rock
. There is only music
andthere is only you.
Dave Markey, with help from Mouse, aka
AlisonBraun.
P
.S. from Mouse
: There is a lot of good
new b ands out there that deserve more
recognition
. Its time for a change, don't
youthink?
T O O
MUCH KNO WL E DGE
CAN BE DANGE RO US
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A R E O N E O F T H E FE W B A N D S T H A T A R E ,
N O T A SH A M E D T H A T T H E Y A R E A L SO '
W O R K I N G P E O P L E ( N O T I N T H E M A C H O ,
SE L F-R I GH T E O U S W A Y T H A T O i! B A N D S
P R O C L A I M ) . M O ST M E M B E R S O F T O D A Y'S
B A N D S W A N T T O D I SSO C I A T E
T H E M SE L VE S A S FA ST A S P O SSI B L E
FR O M " W O R K " .
D : That latter attitude is more of a
,b ourgeois thing thanworking class . That's
what a lot of working people want to
attain. Our attitude towards work is 'it
has tob e done' . History proves that in
our mob ilizedsociety, youhave togive up
something toget something.
M : I think that nomanis anisland, and
everyb ody's got topull together . It's
-'-either that, or someone powerful ususaaly
t will come along andmake everyone else do
what he wants. I cTon
t know that an
individual revolution" will really change
ft a nything, except to exercise persona l
'' being . Work shouldbe working for the
people.
'D: Well, you've gotta work, nomatter
I
.- 14D
: Mike works fora lawyer, I'm a painter,.
andGeorge is a machinist . I alsowork in.
the Parts Dept. of anautodealer . I have
hadlots of personal conflicts there, some
over the music I listento. I wouldlisten
tosoul mush, andthere wouldb e a lot of
redneck repurcussions . I couldn't hang
with that--seperating b lack andwhite.
R : H I -
CE BE WEEN
YOUR ATTITUDE TOWARDS WORKING
PEOPLE, AND THE ROMANTICIZED VISION
PUT FORTH BY CERTAIN SEGMENTS OF
THE LEFT, AND BY THESE SUPPOSED
"WORKING CLASS BANDS", THAT ALMOST
BRAG ABOUT THEIR IGNORANCE . THAT
IS REDNECK!
D : ost peoplewhowork, unfortunately,
allow themselves toget saddledwith car
payments, house payments, etc . . .they
have towork just tokeep up those things.
Then their outlets have to b ecome
easy-type stimulation, like sex, drugs,
etc . I b roke away from those traits handed
downtome b y my parents, sothat I could
domore creative things too.
b- /
MRR : DO YOU HAVE ENOUGH TIME AND
ENERGY AFTER WORK TO DO THAT?
D : No, not always. After lifting b oxes for
8 hours, I don't want todomuch of
anything . I think that might b e why a lot
of people wholove andadmire art don't
try tocreate it. It's easier tolook at it.
MRR : DO YOU THINK THAT IF YOU GOT
TO THE POINT WHERE YOU COULD QUIT
YOUR JOB, THAT YOUR ART WOULD
CHANGE DUE TO THE CHANGE IN YOUR
LIFESTYLE?
e t e
D : You mean b ecause I wouldn't b
confrontedb y working people?
MRR : RIGHT. YOU WOULD THEN MAINLY
BE DEALING WITH THE SAME TYPE OF
PEOPLE- MUSIC SCENE AND INDUSTRY
TYPES.
D
: I don't know. It's hardtosay . I might
look b ack at what I usedtodomore
critically if I hadmore time tothink.
,. MA : SU

t ' IS tt' . .
OF "WORKING MEN ARE PISSED"?
D : Mike wrote that song
; let him answer
that one.
M : I think that work isn't "human" work.
It's like for cows. Moving a b ox for 8
hours
. . .humanwork is doing something
you're b est at.
MRR : IF HUMANS AREN'T GOING TO
MOVE THAT BOX, WHO IS?
M : They can give some guy a job
inventing a machine tomove that b ox . A
little creative work . I don't like tosee
such a b ig divisionb etweenart andwork.
But I think people Inpower wouldfeel
threatenedb y mak'ng workers artists,
b ecause thenthey'dstart using their
heads andb e hardsr tocontrol
. Sothe
b eing "pissed" thing Is ab out b eing
frustrated--the deadendof not b eing ab le
touse your imagination
. Those b oxes are
always gonna b e coming into the
Warehouse, andyou're always gonna have!c
tomove them out
. Nohope.
MRR : WELL, TECHNOLOGY IS AT A
POINT, WHAT WITH ROBOTS, TO BE
ABLE TO FREE PEOPLE UP. BUT
UNFORTUNATELY, IN THIS SYSTEM, IT
SEEMS TO JUST CREATE MORE
DEPRESSED UNEMPLOYED PEOPLE.
M
: Right. There needs tob e room for
millions of people tob e ab le tocreate, and
not have that relegatedtoa small elite who
handit down.
RR : DO YOU SEE ANY PRACTICAL WAY
TO IMPLEMENT THAT REALITY, THAT
DREAM?
M : The first thing is togive workers
confidence . That's what we try todowith
our songs. It's not toshow them "the
way", b ut to say "look at us, we're
working guys, andwe write songs and
play ina b and." It's not like that's the
only thing todoinlife, b ut at least we're
doing something---confidence . You can
hear some song that the guy next toyou
at the plant wrote . That's what b ands did
for me . Inour system though, they try to
doit with money--that's how they try to
give youconfidence
. But that just turns
Intoa b ig con
.
na
MRR : OU A "
K 15
SOME OF THE MOST ESOTERIC AND
POETIC, NON- MUNDANE STUFF AROUND,
WITH LYRICS THAT ARE VERY
CHALLENGING. ISN'T THAT ABSTRACT
STUFF
A BIT SURPRISING COMING FROM
A BUNCH OF WORKING STIFFS FROM SAN
PEDRO?

_
D : Yep, I do. It has tocome from inside
them
. If we candoit, other people can
too
. That's what we're trying toproject.
MRR : YOU SEEM
TO BE AN INTERESTING
COMBINATION OF ANGER AND OPTIMISM.
DO YOU SENSE YOU ARE MAKING ANY
PROGRESS, ACCOMPLISHING ANYTHING
BEYOND THE FIRST STEP?
D
: Well, we've got the lab el, New Alliance,
sowe canhelp promote other b ands.
MRR
:

HOW

ABOUT

EMOTIONAL
SATISFACTION?
D
: Ye s , 1 00% . I t 's abig t hin g t o g o fr om
havin g t hos e ide as , an dt he n put t in g t he m
out t he r e w he r e pe ople can have acce s s t o
t he m.
MRR : ANY FINAL COMMENTS FOR OUR
READ R ''
w . .
es, or the punkers. One of the
reasons we play all these different kinds
of musics, is for them--to see how
seriously they take 'No Rules' and
'Anarchy' . We throw all this soft music,
folk music, jazz, etc, not only toavoid
getting caught injust one style, b ut also
toshow them that "See, youdidn't want
any rules
. .
.this is what youwanted. You
didn't want tob e toldwhat tolistento." I
know it's hardfor them
. It's easier when
it's all set up for you. But in a way, I
have more faith inthe younger kids, who-
canat least see our music as "the enemy ."
The older people don't evenknow what to
call it. Soit's a challenge for those kids,
like what b ands dida few years agoat
shows . There have tob e some b ands
committedto that, andI think the
MINUTEMENar
MRR : WHAT DO YOU GUYS DO FOR A
L

G?
iM: Unfortunately, most of the working
class is redneck.
hL iT iae .
MRR : IF YOU HAD A CHANCE TO LIVE
OFF THE BAND, WOULD YOU DO THAT?
D : Yeah, I would
. Up toa year ago, we
hardly evengot paidfor a gig . Now, we
make some money, soI can work andplay
ina b andandmake a little extra. I'dlike
towork less, soI couldput more into
other rojects, art, etc
.
M
tob y shit conditions . Andmore andmore
M: Unfortunately, it is. It shouldn't b e,
that's the whole point . "There came a time
whenaverage Joes andnurds took up
guitars against the State ." We were forced
will. Music isn't just a thing to wrap
fashionaround
. It canb e inspirational,
like the b etter aspects of religion. It's not
a selling thing.
MRR : SO, DO YOU SEE ANY CHANCE FOR
WORKING PEOPLE TO BECOME DREAMERS
AND CREATORS IN THE PRESENT WORLD?
II
MIDLAND/ ODESSA- These are twocities
close toeach other b etweenDallas andEl
Paso
. its not very pretty out here, and
most people are here b ecause there's oil
around
. As far as "undergroundculture",
it's here, b ut there isn'y a lot of it yet.
Odessa has hada punk b andsince 197 8,
RESEARCH, which is still around, and
gets crowds totheir occassional shows
through wordof mouth
. The b ig news
recently is the first appearance of SID'S
KIDS, the area's first andb est hardcore
b and, made up of It
teenage skate-punks.
they are causing a b it of a stir
. The
area's other important b andis the
mysterious BURPING UP BLOOD, which
centers aroundone key memb er, D
.N.L.,
andincludes anoccassional drummer, etc.
They have b een aroundsince '82 , and
were precludedb y the KLINKS, which
featuredthe same key memb er
. The music
of B.U.B. is very oddfor this area
; kind
of like T.G., CAB VOL, andCAN
. Hasn't
yet appearedlive
. SID'S KIDS didrecently
open for RESEARCH, andnearly wiped
them off the ground, even though they
only have a 2 0 minute set.
Eventhough they are 3 00
miles away, the
El Pasoscene is closely alliedwith us,
through RHYTHM PIGS (formedfrom
CIVILIANS IN ACTION) andRED ZONE,
the city's twob est b ands
. Tothe north,
inLas Cruces, New Mexico, are JAMES
FEAR andthe FOOTNOTES, andis home
b ase for the USUALS andthe
DECADENTS
. With the exception of the
last two, all of the ab ove are going to
appear ona compilationcalledWay Out In
The Middle Of Nowhere . The area's main
zine is Exposure, as well as Reactor and
Basher in El Paso
. There have b een
sporadic gigs from all, b ut it's usually
pretty sketchy . We hope todoa package
tour of SID'S KIDS, B.U.B., RED ZONE,
andRHYTHM PIGS next summer . Please
contact us if interestedin getting it in
your town. Thanks, d.n
.l./ c/ oExposue/
Rt. 3 Bx 451-J/ MidlandTX7 97 03
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The Day After-The Day Before-And
THE DAY BEFORE THAT!
An interview with Dan, a hardcore
promoter from NortheasternWisconsin
. A-1
Joes Productions.
MRR: WHAT'S THE FIRST THING YOU
WANT TO TALK ABOUT?
DAN: A disclaimer, just like the one they
hadat the endof the TV media event,
TheDay After. At the endof the
program, insteadof seeing the production
credits as is uaual, they saidsomething to
the effect that the simulatednuclear attack
on the U.S. was mildcomparedtothe
destruction that wouldoccur due toan
actual nuclear attack . Now, I'll try to
attack some of society's local, regional,
andnational myths, andhope towreak
some havoc everywhere . Sorry!
MRR : Where is Northeastern Wisconsin
located?
DAN : I like to call it N.E .W. We are
located100 miles north of Milwaukee and
ab out the same distance from Madison, only
northeast . Were 2 00 miles north of
Chicago.
MRR
: HOW ARE DECISIONS MADE ABOUT
SHOWS?
DAN : Since we started, all b ands have
made it a group effort. Either everyone
decides we will dosomething, or it isn't
done . The majority of decisions are made a
few hours b efore the show b y the people
whohave some knowledge of the idea or
prob lem at hand. Nothing is formal, and
decisions are rapidfire aroundthe room
with everyone doing what they want todo.
If you didn't take a close look at it you
wouldmiss it . Right now, we're thinking
ab out new ways of doing shows . To get
away from the idea that a certainb andis
a "headline act" andtoescape a traditional
rock'n'roll rut, were planning to put all
b ands' names ina hat andwhoever gets
drawn first, they'll play first, etc
. We are
hoping it will destroy egotrips andgive a
chance especially for younger kidswho
sometimes have tob e home early, tosee a
group that b y traditional standards would
play last. It will also b e a great way to
get more of the crowdtoshow up early.
We're going tocall it the "Hat Attack! ".
Another idea is the "Flash Attack!",
taking 2 b ands that are relatively
compatab le andhave each alternate half
hour sets, thena couple of 15 minute sets
at the end. It will b e like a 'Battle of the
Bands', minus the competition. The b attle
will b e torile the crowdtowards sheer
soundandtogetherness.
MRR
: WHAT ARE THE BANDS FROM THE
AREA?
DAN
: SUBURBAN MUTILATION,
PRISONERS OF SOCIETY, SKANKING
REAGANS, A.T.&T., MORAL DISGUST,
The MESS, NO RESPONSE,
TEMPERMENTAL PSYCHOTICS, DEADLY
RITE (8th graders), MALIGNANCE, ART
THIEVES, A.B.M. (A BUNCH OF
MORONS), andall shows sofar have b een
done inOshkosh or GreenBay . We usually
adda b andfrom Milwaukee or Madisonto
roundthings out, like SACRED ORDER,
the now-defunct DIE KREUZEN, STATE
from Ann Arb or, IMMINENT ATTACK ,
-andrecently we hadMinneapolis b ands
HUSKER DU andLOUD FAST RULE.
MRR : WHAT'S IT LIKE TO LIVE IN
N .E .W.?
.DAN
: We, meaning the people in the
undergroundscene, are suffering from
culture

shock .

It

happens

b ecause
everything

around

here

is

serious
:
serious, conservative repub licans,
Christian religion, andpeople whoare
very sports oriented. The only philosophy
youare allowedtohear is that of Ronald
Reagan, Paul Harvey, andthe estab lished
christianchurch. We have noalternatives.
Very few people questionthe estab lished
order of things. You will never hear a
wordagainst capitalism. It has nofaults.
People whohave money andare aggressive
moneymakers are tob e admired! This is
Joe McCarthy territory! He is b uriedhere
in Appleton, andthat was andis his
home_
care license toa marriedcouple b ecause
they alloweda former state representative
to "live under their roof" who is not
heterosexual. The license was denied
months ago, b ut we never heardanything
ab out it until the state over-ruledtheir
decision. We have a long history of this
type of thing . Like when Susan B.
Anthony gave a lecture for equality for
womenmany years ago, the Oshkosh Daily
Northwesternarticle talkedab out what she
wore . Nomention of her ideas. Clarence
Darrow came here to fight the Paine
Lumb er b arons against childlab or . There
was no press. The University of
Wisconsin-Oshkosh college paper, The
Advance-Titan refuses to cover any
hardcore events, andwe have a UW-O
punk b andcalledMORAL DISGUST
. They
say they will come tocover HC shows, b ut
they never show up . I ask students on
campus ab out this andthey say, well, you
know, hardcore shocks a lot of people and
they don't want toupset anyone . The
Rev . Norb Rozek puts out a fanzine called
Sick Teen, andinthe last issue he hada
picture of himself with the caption"We all
live in Poland!" I hope people can see
what he means . He's also in the b and
SUBURBAN

MUTILATION.

Intelligent
thinking!
MRR : WHAT DO YOU MEAN WHEN YOU
SAY THE ONLY PHILOSOPHY YOU CAN
HEAR IS THAT OF REAGAN, ETC?
DAN : That is sob izarre, it's not eventhe
b ottom. All TV programs come out of
Green Bay (unless you have cab le, and
why b other?) . They b an shows like the
RAMONES RockandRollHighSchool
movie . Rememb er quotes like "Eat it Vince"
andthe spoof on Vince Lomb ardi High
School? It's not allowed, andI would
assume that's b ecause Lomb ardi was a
GreenBay Packer coach. Youknow it was
supposedtob e onb ecause it was listedin
TV Guide
. But when you want tosee it
andhave a laugh, it's simply b een
replaced

b y

something

else--no
explanations . Recently, the Wisconsin
Educational TV, WPNE, goofedandb y
mistake put on a scheduledmedical
program on Aids . It lastedab out 4
minutes, andthen all of a sudden you
hearda zip andsaw all this confusionon
the screenandthena comment : "We now
join our regularly scheduledprogram in
progress." Thenwe got last week's rerun
of the LincolnPark ZooinChicago. When
the 2 40 Marines were killedinLeb anon,
the leadstory on all channels for the 6
o'clock news was how the Packers didthat
day
. The most recent of stories is that the
dept . of Social Services for the county, of
which Oshkosh is part of, denieda foster
MRR : HOW DID HC COME TO N .E.W.?
DAN : In the late '7 0's we hada b ar in
Appleton calledThe Thirsty Whale that
mixedpunk andnew wave, b ut they
kickedus out after our Quincy Punks
trashedthe place . The b ouncer never
figuredout how todeal with the prob lem,
andnob ody likedthe manager . We had
nothing for years, andwhat we have now
is consideredtob e a resurgence . In any
case, things aroundhere suckeduntil the
Rev . Norb , at age 16 , startedthings up
with Sick Teen. We now have 2 more
current zines, No Nations andUrb an
Waste . It's definitely a kids movement with
a of of influence from the Green Bay
area. The actual HC shows in Oshkosh
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CatholicGuilt, ReaganDeath, andMRR
from Calif. From the zines, I readthat
Bone Air was doing shows at the Wil-Mar
Center inMadisonlast winter, anddrove
the hundredplus miles tosee them.
MRR : WHAT HAPPENED?
DAN : It was great. I was waiting around
outside when some guy, this b londkid
with a mohawk from the b andKILL
DOZER, sees my naturally b aldhead(you
know how it grows out onthe sides) and
hollers "Looks like youwent toa b arb er to
get a mohawk andhe missed" . I love
sarcasm . Then, a couple of shows and
several hundredmiles later, I met Markie
of the now-defunct MECHT MENSCH. He
was kind, friendly, andexplaineda lot of
what was going on. On the inside of my
frostedcar window he wrote "Mecht
Mensch" . I never washedit off. Mark
starteda revolutioninanarea of the state
he's never b eento. WhenI came out with
a poster last summer advertising a HC
show inOshkosh, Bob McKinley starteda
b andcalledBLOOD SPASM (now defunct,
movedtoTucson), andthe time hadcome!
andits complication, diarrhoea) infection.
So, I simply askedKurt how many children
will die during a Packer game.
MRR: THINGS HAVE CHANGED THEN?
DAN: Yes andno. We got the music, the
crowds, andlots of fun. But were not
organizedenough tochange or doanything
yet.
MRR: WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO DO?
DAN
: Start small! I don't think we're
strong enough todeal with the issues I
mentionedb efore, b ut we couldhorninon
other people's . Anexample wouldb e like
an incident in Madison right after Flight
007 was shot down. The Young
Repub licans put up crosses ona hill at the
university andthe hippies came down, and
a b ig arguement b roke out
. It was onlocal
TV news. If we were more organizedand
knew ab out it inadvance, we couldhave
rusheda b unch of us punks tothe scene
andhave each lie downunder a cross. If
the news people wouldhave askedus what
we were doing, we couldhave toldthem
we were Young Repub licans. Definitely! I
think as RonaldReagan hits the '84
campaigntrail this summer, punks should
show up at rallies, wave, smile, andagree
with all he has tosay
. The cultural shock
wouldprob ab ly undohim.
MRR: WHAT ELSE?
DAN : Well, nomatter how b adthe Leaping
Repub licanRepressive Reaganism is around
here, we still have another huge yet
hiddenunderlying prob lem that reflects all
of the U
.S. Our largest minority in the
area are Indians, or Native Americans as
they like tob e called
. It's sorepressed. I
ask people all the time whenwas the last
time they saw one . Nob ody ever knows.
What are their attitudes? How is Native
American culture different from white,
b lack, or Spanish American? I really get
wildthen, like a few months agowhen
everyone was talking ab out the Hitler
diaries, whenthey didn't know they were
fakes . The b ig question was, didHitler
ever really call for the extermination of
the Jews? Big question! Shit, we hada
President of the U.S ., Andrew Jackson,
whosaid"The only goodIndianis a dead
Indian
." We always point towards Europe
andholler "Shame!" at the Germans
. How
many people know ab out the holocaust of
Native Americans, the destructionof their
values, culture? Whose landdowe live on?
How didwe get it? Since Jews know so
much ab out persecution, whenwas the last
time yousaw one with his arm aroundan
Indian? How many different ethnic groups
have climb edup the capitalistic ladder and
never turnedb ack? Someone's got tob e on
the b ottom, don't they? What is our
country's role inthe genocide of its native
people? It's like nothing ever happened, or
continues to happen, andwe have
programs on TV like "The Day After",
where, in the audience after the show,
people say there will never b e a nuclear
war b ecause the thought of it is too
horrib le . If we can do it to the native
people of this land, andignore that we
really didit, we candoit toanyone
. The
endwill justify the means . Ancient Indian
values were b eautiful: nocapitalism, no
exploitation, they wasted very little. The
b est thing I canthink of todrill this point
home is last year whenI saw aninterview
with Grace Slick . She was askedwhat the
differences are b etweenthe sixties andthe
eighties . She said, "In the '6 0's, we
b elievedthat b ands andmusic, peace and
love, wouldb ring people together andwe
wouldsolve the world's prob lems
. In the
'80's, we now realize that manis a killer
anda jerk." I think it's part of our b asic
western "civilization", capitalistic efforts
andChristianity as a persecuting,
self-centeredreligionalways keeping the
fuse lit.
MRR: WHAT DID YOU THINK OF "THE
DAY AFTER"?
DAN
: A media piece of junk tokeep people
from thinking, similar toa footb all game or
a visit toa religious shrine
. There will b e
noday after, andeveryone shouldknow
that! 140 millionpeople saw the emperor's
clothes, andthe emperor has noclothes.
That huge of an illusion scares me, b ut
then so didthe landslide election of
Reagan. Didyouever notice that everyone
b elieves they live at groundzero? Nob ody
wants tothink they're sounimportant that
the Soviets wouldn't drop a b omb onthem.
Paranoia at its finest ; a way todevelop
more nationalism at a time whenwe have to
look at worldprob lems even for the
slightest chance of survival. I enjoyedthe
womaninthe audience whohadtogive the
party line also. You know, the one that
we've all b eenledtob elieve ab out how we
have toremainmilitarily strong against the
Russians b ecause they have b rokenevery
agreement we ever made with them? We
have the Oneida Indians right outside of
GreenBay. They have never lost a war,
b ut were forcedtocome here in183 0 from
New York b ecause of the IndianRemoval
Act
. They haddeeds signedb y George
Washingtonsaying that the landthey lived
oninNY wouldb e theirs forever b ecause
they fought on his side to win the
Revolutionary War . I figure it this
way--the Nazis, andnow the Soviets, must
b e reading a tot of U.S
. history . The
accurate stuff
. That's where they learned
tob reak treaties--from us.
MRR : WHAT DO YOU SEE AS' BEING
WORLD PROBLEMS?
DAN : People are always saying "Get the
facts, don't preach"
. It's soeasy todo.
All you have to do is call the pub lic
lib rary andthey give you the answers
FREE . It's like a zine b eing only as far
away
as the postman. All you have todo
is figure out what youwant toask them,
andthen call. I calledandaskedthe
following questions, then I put those
answers intofurther questions andsent
them toa very b right 14 year old, Kurt
Rozek. Here are the answers
. I foundout
a childdies every 2 seconds of hunger
KURT
: Seeing that a Packer game lasts
approximately 3 hours and15 minutes, I
wouldsay 4050 childrenwill die while I'm
at the Packer-Bear game this Sunday.
DAN
: How many people, including TV, will
b e watching the Packers on New Years
Day?
KURT : 151, 2 7 9, 6 45.
DAN
: How many people watching a Packer
game realize that a childdies every 2
seconds?
KURT
: I wouldguestimate that 1042 of
those people know that
. Only a few know
that b ecause most people don't care that
much, andare toogreedy tohelp those
people . They're all watching the footb all
game, b ut I must admit, I wouldrather
watch footb all.
DAN: Figures
from a year agosay that
worldarmaments purchasing (b y all
countries) is at a milliondollars a minute
andrising sofast that noone can keep
track of it
. How many armament dollars are
spent

during

an average Milwaukee
Brewers game?
KURT : Seeing that a Brewer game lasts
ab out 3 hours, I wouldsay that's
$180,000,000 .
Wow! That's a pretty penny.
DAN
: In your opinion, do people know
more ab out the Milwaukee Brewers than
they doworldarmament? If so, why?
KURT
: I think people in the U.S. know
more ab out the Brewers b ecause the 'true
b lue crew' are onTV a lot andare talked
ab out a lot andnot many people know
ab out worldarmament.
DAN: Other things I foundout from the
lib rary that helps to get things more
specific are
: 2 millioncases each year of
TB and1-2 milliondeaths. Tetanus is 1
millionlives lost each year, of which 50%
are newb orn
. In West Africa, measles
cause death of 500,000 childrenunder 2 ,
each year
. There are 50-100 thousand
childreninrefugee camps inEl Salvador
with little foodandless health care
; 5000
children die each year in the U.S . from
childab use
. MRR : WHAT'S THE POINT OF
ALL THIS? DAN: Many, many
. The
ab solute waste! "Manb eing a killer anda
jerk
." Political systems of countries would
rather spendhuge sums of money on
weapons thanfoodor medicine . People who
think they are educated, thinking ab out
little more than sports events
. Issues!
Issues! Issues! It's not a question of
KoreanAirlines 007 or Beirut, Grenada, or
Blah Blah, Day After--they are dwarf
issues flashpoints. How canpeople say a
nuclear war will never happenwhenthey
are ignorant tothe fact that we are killing
our ownchildrenandspending money on
arms at such a rate that noone cancount
the dollars fast enough? It's what I mean
whenI say The Day Before andThe Day
Before That! It's our own ignorance,
cruelty, andstupidity that makes us
groundzero; definitely not our own
importance! We have a holocaust of
childrentoday
. One of the things I should
mention ab out lib rary information is that
some of the current facts youwant come
out of magazines that are months, or even
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years b ack. I hadthem put some current
things aside for me andthenwent down
andtook a look . They gave me anarticle
b y JohnIssacs inThe Bulletinof Atomic
Scientists, May 1981, called"Reagan's
Defense Budget" . In it he saidthat the
b udget calls for $2 2 2 .2 b illion for 1982 ,
which represents a massive $44 .2 b illion
rise inone year from 1981 to1982 , or 2 4 .8
$ andan$80 b illionrise intwoyears from
1980 to 1982 or 56 .3 $ . The future, he
writes, will b e $3 6 7 .5 b illionb y 1986 , and
a projectedsix year total of $1.6 3 8 trillion
"despite the fact that there is little
evidence that new weapons will provide
additional

security ."

also founda
magazine calledAviationWeek andSpace
Technology, Feb
. 16 , 1981, Vol
. 114, No.
7 , with a four page glossy incolor adfor
a F-15 Strike Eagle, "An airplane so
versatile, sosuitedtothe nation's defense
needs, that if it didnot exist, it would
have tob e invented. "
MRR
: BACK TO THE MUSIC SCENE, WHAT
DO YOU LIKE ABOUT HARDCORE?
DAN
: Lots' The music is addicting
; you
hear it a few times andthenBang! Bang!
Andit's all yours
. Creative names of
groups is something initself
. Anti-Reagan,
anti-capitalism, anti-Christian, all-ages
shows, great fanzines inevery state . Got
tomention Spats zine/ P.O. Box 2 2 3 5/
Wayne NJ 07 47 0. And, interesting
lyrics=interesting poetry . People whoare
motivatedtodothings without the money
carrot in front of their nose . Intelligent
people that let youget toknow them deep
down. Idealism ; something tob elieve in
insteadof slowly going crazy . Philosophy.
The shock value, the outrageousness, a
chance todiscuss your views andideas in
a worldthat doesn't permit it.
MRR : WHAT BANDS WOULD YOU LIKE TO
DO IN THE FUTURE?
DAN: We shouldattempt tounite Chicago,
Milwaukee, NortheasternWisconsin, and
Madisonsothat b ands ontour have less
area to travel, fewer expenses, more
places toplay.
REV
. NORB : (via telephone)
everyone!
DAN : The Rock Against ReaganTour for
Summer '84 . Right now, the EFFIGIES.
The DICKS wouldgoover b ig . IGGY POP,
APPLIANCES, JUVENILE TRUTH, A.H.C.,
SUICIDAL TENDENCIES, D.R
.I
., ANGRY
SAMOANS.
MRR : WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE?
DAN: Call the lib rary to findout who
SusanB. Anthony, Clarence Darrow were,
throw inThomas Paine too. Findout who
livedin your area of the country for
thousands of years b efore exploitation.
What were their values? Consider NE
Wisconsinanoutpost inthe far reaches of
the North that needs support! Send
fanzines, letters, tapes, records : Dan/
2 2 2 9AshlandSt/ Oshkosh WI 54901.
MADISON
IMMINENT ATTACK are currentlji Madison's
most active andpopular punk b and. Tight
arrangements anda ferocious execution
result in dynamic andenergetic
performances . They were recently in the
studioagain, this time recording for an
upcoming

EP .

Better-than-

average
wall-of-soundmetalcore, toput it mildly.
The APPLIANCES-SFB are still going
strong after 5 active years onthe scene.
Their recent single, "Waiting For The
Europeans/ Headculture", is doing
extremely well, andthey continue todraw
large crowds whenever they play. Their
music incorporates a wide variety of
progressive influences.
KILLDOZER are alsoquite prominent on
the scene these days . With their gnarly
originals andoutrageous covers, they've
b ecome one of Madison's most distinctive
b ands . They were also in the studio
recently, recording for anupcoming 12 "
EP. They'db e the perfect house b andin
hell!
Another b andwhoplay out a lot around
here are KNUCKLEHEAD . While their high
energy thrash andtrashy heavy metal
covers aren't terrib ly original, they seem
tob e having a goodtime
.
Also, JUVENILE TRUTH have improved
immensely since they got their new lead
singer. Most active andserious of the
younger b ands, they don't let their
straight edge philosopht gototheir heads.
Unfortunately, TAR BABIES haven't b een
nearly as active these days . They playeda
few shows last summer, b ut lately have
b een more intoplaying out of town
. I
guess their long-awaited12 " will b e out
soon.
MECHT MENSCH are nolonger together.
Dan andJeremy devote their energy to
TAR BABIES
. Singer Mark is now with the
MUDDHOOKS, a new local b and
. Mike has
movedtoNYC
. Their Acceptance EP has
done well b oth locally andnationally.
HOLLYWOOD AUTOPSY alsob roke up last
summer, b ut not b efore releasing their
alb um . Johnnie andJulie have movedto
NJ, andBob was last seenplaying guitar
for the PRESTIGE ALLSTARS
. We're all
going tomiss the trashiest of the anti-art
garage b ands.
Also, I don't know if REDEMPTION are
still together
. They're a group of young
thrashe- out skaters, b ut I haven't heard
ab out them ina while.
New b ands include DA BREECH BABIES,
whoare Madison's favorite funtime punk
b and. While one might question the
seriousness of their intentions, they can
b e quite entertaining . They're pretty
young, too.
The BUZZBOMBS are kinda cool. They're
heavily influencedb y the METEORS,
CRAMPS, andother psychob illy b ands.
While they're rather young and
inexperienced, they doshow promise.
The MUDDHOOKS are another relatively
new b and. They playeda few times this
fall b efore replacing their original singer
with Mark from MECHT MENSCH. They
shouldb e playing out againsoon.
The PRESTIGE-ALLSTARS are another
b andwhohave recently appearedonthe
scene . Consisting of vocals, b ass, andan
occasional guitar, they really spew out
some trash
. They're great for emptying
out club s at b ar time.
I might as well mention the STRAIGHT
A's, whoare Madison's "politically correct"
straight edge, anarcho-pacifist b and. They
never play any gigs, sonoone knows
what they soundlike.
Finally, there's b eenrumors of NO FEAR
OF DEATH reforming, b ut we're still
waiting tosee what happens. There may
b e other b ands intown, b ut these are the
ones I'm aware of.
There are a limitednumb er of places where
undergroundb ands canplay here . There
are a few places for all-ages shows, the
most

noteworthy

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Wil-Mar,

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J UVENILE
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neighb orhoodcommunity center near East
Side
. While the acoustics are poor, they
only ask for 10$ of the door, andthe
facility is availab le as oftenas 3 times a
month. There's alsob eena few cool shows
at Nottingham Co-op, locatedinthe heart
of fraternity row . Also, sometimes the City
or University will b e lib eral enough to
allow access topub lic venues, usually
outdoors during the warmer months. While
b ands can't expect toget paidin such
situations, at least there is usually a good
soundsystem, anda lot of people show up
that don't usually attendshows . Then,
there's always parties. Unfortunately,
sometimes the police show up andissue
tickets for disturb ing the peace.
As for regular club s andb ars, the coolest
of these is the Club de Wash, which has
cheap b eer andtends tonot hassle minors.
Other club s that have b een somewhat
lib eral intheir b ooking policies include the
Havana
Club andC.S. Vigs. I think the
club owners in Madison are b eginning to
realize that the undergroundb ands do
have a following anddodraw crowds,
which canonly meanmore shows . While the
crowds are a b it onthe rowdy side, none
of the cool club s have ever b eentrashed.
There are several interesting fanzines
coming out . The most notab le is Catholic
Guilt (P.O. Box
7 42 , MadisonWI 53 7 01),
which is not your average fanzine
. Besides
dealing with music, it also touches on
fashion, politics, feminism, sexuality,
drugs, andother trends
. The notorious
ReaganDeath (114 W Gilman#14, Madison
WI 53 7 03 ) tends tofocus more exclusively
onmusic, b ut there hasn't b eenanissue
out since last May, partially b ecause editor
Peter Rab b idhas b eeninvolvedinsetting
up shows andplaying in his own b and,
the MUDDHOOKS
. Due to Mr . Rab b id's
uncompromising opinions, RD tends topiss
a lot of people off, b ut still remains
popular, though less sowith the punker
crowd
. There are also several lesser
known
fanzines mostly put out b y younger
kids,

including MangledEfforts (1840

Summit Ave, Madison WI 53 7 05), Brain
Death (17 2 0 Vilas Ave, MadisonWI 53 7 11),
and

Cancer
(509 Russel St, MadisonWI
53 7 007 -These are all woth reading, since
each reflects a unique point of view of the
scene .
undergroundmusic scene . Nevertheless,
some b ands andfanzines have b eenaround
for a while, andwith the younger kids
getting involved, there is a semb lance of
consistency
.
Unfortunately, there are also
striking class differences withinthe scene.
Many of the kids come from well- to-do
sub urb s, andthey don't always relate well
tothe downtowners, whoare often on
welfare or working shit job s . Many of the
street kids resent the idealism of their
more economically fortunate peers . In
turn, many of the sub urb ankids are hasty
tocondemn the cynicism of the street
punks, whooften have a reputation for
alcholism,

drug

ab use,

crime,

and
violence . This doesn't always create
prob lems at parties andshows, b ut there
will prob ab ly never b e real unity in the
Madisonpunk scene . There are several
factors which alsocreate divisions inthe
scene, such as numerous personality
clashes, b ut why gointoit? I'm sure it
happens everywhere . At least there are
TAR BABIES
things happening inMadison, things which
are a healthy alternative tothe b ullshit,
homogenizedcommercial music scene that
most of us were b rought up on. Often I
think that the divisions anddifferences in
the scene are what make it sointerseting
andcolorful.
That's it for now---Pete Rab b id
Madison is a transient town. Many kids
come here togotoschool, andonly hang
out for a year or so. This has made it
difficult toestab lish a solidb ase for an
e
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There hasn't b een a scene report in 3
motherfuckin' issues, so excuse the
length. In Boston these days, vinyl has
b eenplentiful. SSD's track onthe Boston
X-mas EP("Jolly OldSt . Nick', spoken
introb y guitarist Francois) is b rilliant. ..
Out onX-Claim is DYS's BrotherhoodLP,
b ut only 2 000 pressedandit's getting
scarce . . . JERRY'S KIDS (IsThisMy
World?) LP is X- Claim 6 , andthe LP of
tte year . X-Claim 7 will b e LAST RIGHTS,
featuring Choke from NEGATIVE FX.
Sofar LAST RIGHTS have only playedone
gig, andwere b rilliant. Choke's "nazi"
stage presence threatenedthe whole
audience ; he waivedthe mike standlike a
switchb lade ina gang fight, daring anyone
to cross his line, andleaving LAST
RIGHTS the most hatedb andof the
evening . . .DEEP WOUND alsoplayedand
were great. Their 7 " recordis out on
RadioBeat Records, b ut unfortunately,
they have b rokenup--WesternMass's b est
is nolonger inexistence.
That same night, DYS premieredRoss (ex-
guitarist of IMPACT UNIT), as well as a
string of new songs, most notab ly "Blood
OnThe Streets", leading into"Wolfpack",
the highlight of the show . They'll b e b ack
in the studioin January. . .IMPACT UNIT
have definitely calledit quits . Leadsinger
Dicky Barrett has formeda ska b and, The
CHEAPSKATES, Boston's answer toearly
MADNESS. The b and's made up of people
from other groups: Chris Doherty of
JERRY'S KIDS andGANG GREEN, Dave
Collins of DYS, Riche MacKenzie of
STRANGLEHOLD, TedandNate of
MISSION IMPOSSIBLE, Tim of Dx A, and
Andrew Brady of FUCKING ASSHOLES (a
new b and, whose, other memb er's names
cannot b e divulgedat this time) . . .The
CHEAPSKATES have noprob lem getting
gigs, although their gigs are as "violent"
as hardcore shows
. They're just b eer
drinking, hardskankin', tang scammin',
gnarly b uds. ..
The F
.U.'s recently playedwith the
CIRCLE JERKS at Jumb o's (insub urb an
Somerville), andthey unloadedan LP's
worth of new songs
. They'll b e doing a
3 rdalb um in '84 ; plans after that are
uncertain. . .The FREEZE playedwith the
C.J .'s as well, andhave improved
dramatically, as is clear from their LP.
After countless line-up changes, they've
finally settleddown. . .The ANNOYED also
played; vinyl from them in1984.
The CIRCLE JERKS all-ages show took
place the next day at the infamous
Channel, with the mighty SSD. This was
SSD's first gig since July, andat the last
minute DEEP WOUND was cut from the b ill.
At $5 a headx 850 paying customers, it's
hardtob elieve that the Channel couldn't
affordtopay the thirdb andthe customary
$100. The next show there featured
HUSKER-DU andthe MINUTEMEN ; againno
thirdb and. It's toob adb ecause this cuts
exposure for local b ands
. Whenthe ANGRY
SAMOANS played, 1000 people got tosee
DYS . If this continues (especially in light
of the lack of local halls for local b ands),
exposure for Bostonb ands, evenintheir
own city, will b e cut to a minimum. I
encourage out-of-townb ands b ookedat the
Channel toask for 2 local b ands on the
b ill.
As far as other venues inBostongo, The
Club has closedits doors toall-ages HC
shows since the STRANGLEHOLD show.
The Rat : noway. GBH's all-ages show was
great, b ut the EFFIGIES, CH3 , and
DICKIES playedwith the over-2 0 rule in
effect, andb esides, the b ouncers are
retiredB.U. jocks whocouldn't make it in
organized

sports.

The Channel

has
prohib itedstage diving at all shows, ever
since the JERRY'S KIDS slam-dance
contest, andthe minor riot at YOUTH
BRIGADE. Despite the irritating rule, the
850
kids at the last SSD show were
amazingly

well-b ehaved. . .The

Jumb o's
show with the C.J.'s was a different
story. At one point, Keith Morris,
b otheredb y the numb er of people on
stage, stoppedthe set andaddressedthe
Bostonscene : "Start your ownb and, kids.
Youcouldhave 2 0 guitarists, 10 b assists,
3 0 drummers, and50 leadsingers ." Sorry
Keith, b ut with the limitednumb er of HC
shows inBoston, the kids are sopumped
up that they couldmove the Mass
Turnpike.
STRANGLEHOLD's recordrelease party
took place recently, with DEL FUEGOS and
CHEAPSKATES. They were excellent, as is
their record(out onOne Step Records).
Drummer JohnMurdock has left the b and
however,

to

play

for

NOVEMBER
GROUP . . .The PROLETARIAT haven't
playedout inages, b ut their LP is doing
really well, andgoing into the second
pressing.
But the news of the year comes from a
small townoutside Boston--Braintree--home
of GANG GREEN. On a recent Saturday
afternoon, Chris Doherty was seen
entering the home of Mike Dean(Bill Manly
was already inside the premises) . Seconds
later the neighb orhoodwas treatedtoa
loud, uncontrollab le b last of ear-piercing,
drum-rolling, guitar-strumming,
b ass-plucking confusion
. Minutes later,
Braintree residents were alerted; there
was skanking inthe streets, slamming on
people's lawns
. This went on for
approximately 2 minutes, until Mike Dean's
mom yelleddown, "Stop that insanity at
once!" Are the b oys really b ack?
Any b ands interestedin infofor records
b eing reviewed, shows, or radioairplay,
write or call: Curtis/ 84 Oak St/ Weston
MA/ 02 193 / (6 17 )2 3 7 -92 02 (b efore 11 PM,
E .S.T.) .
DEEP WOUND-fatally injured
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The FREEZE are a Massachusetts b and
playing for the Boston andCape Cod
scenes since late '7 7 . They put the I Hate
Tourists 45 out themselves, playedonthe
ModernMethod7 " sampler andthe Boston
Not L.A.LP, as well as putting out their
Guilty Face EP andnew LandOf The Lost
LP . Vocalist Cliff Hanger, guitarist Bill
Close, anddrummer Lou Cataldohave
recently b een joinedb y 2 ndguitarist
Chuck, andb assist Pete (from the
"infamous" SMEGMA AND THE NUNZ).
MRR
: WERE YOU ONE OF THE FIRST
BANDS ON THE SCENE?
CLIFF : I don't know . ..
CHUCK: They were one of the hot b ands
inDennisport
. (laughter)
CLIFF : We were the scene onthe Cape . We
are again. Th've all startedandb roken
u".
MRR : THERE AREN'T TOO MANY
RECEPTIVE PEOPLE THERE
. DO YOU
WANT TO COMMENT ON THE RECENT
TROUBLE YOU MAY HAVE HAD WITH
ACCEPTANCE IN THE BOSTON SCENE?
CHUCK
: Great b unch of guys.
PETE : We have nothing against anyb ody.
CHUCK: We like everyb ody.
MRR : DO PEOPLE HAVE ANYTHING
AGAINST YOU GUYS?
PETE : Definitely most of the knuckleheads.
CLIFF : There's nob ig prob lems anymore.
People either accept us for what we are or
they don't; b ut I don't really care myself.
MRR : I'VE HEARD THE ACCUSATION
THAT SOME OF YOUR SONGS DWELL ON
TYPICAL "PUNK ROCK THEMES".
CLIFF : I think we have one song for each
of those types of sub jects . "Sacrifice (Not
Suicide)" couldb e ab out religion; "Broken
Bones" couldb e ab out rednecks; and
"Violent Arrest" couldb e ab out cops . But
we don't sing it over andover again.
They're just single songs. I think we're
overall more original lyrically than many
other b ands. I just tell stories when I
write, andthey aren't ab out one particular
thing.
MRR: THEY'RE LIKE BALLADS..
CLIFF : Yes, they're b eautiful.
.(Iaughter).
MRR: WHAT ABOUT "NAZI FUN" OFF THE
NEW LP?
CLIFF : Violence onthe scene . ..
CHUCK : Idiots onthe dance floor ..
MRR : AND" NO EXPOSURE" . ..
CLIFF : It's more general (than ab out
-Boston's zine, ForcedExposure), andis
ab out how fanzines cancontrol the scene;
something goes totheir heads ..
MRR : HEH HEH. WHO ELSE IN THE BAND
_PUTS INTO THE LYRICS?
BILL: None of us know how toread, so..
CLIFF : They've all sat down at various
times, like they all wrote "Pighunt"
. Doug,
our oldmanager,

helpedwrite "No
Exposure", and"I Hate Tourists".
MRR: WHAT ARE YOUR MUSICAL
INFLUENCES?
CHUCK: Jim Nab ors.
BILL: OZZY.
CLIFF
: We usedtolistentoheavy metal
b efore punk
: ALICE COOPER, BLACK
SABBATH. . .then the RAMONES, DEAD
BOYS, anda lot of '7 7 b ands . . .DICKIES.
BILL
: SEXPISTOLS, DAMNED.
CLIFF
: Of the newer b ands, I like SOCIAL
DISTORTION, BLACK FLAG, CIRCLE
JERKS..
MRR: BILL, DO YOU HAVE ANY TROUBLE
TOURING. . .WITH YOUR PARENTS?
BILL
: Huh? Cliff, what didyou tell him?
No, my father's mellowedout.
CLIFF : It usedto b e hardfor him to
play . ."What time are you coming home
Bill?"
MRR: DID YOU GET ANY SHIT ABOUT
"GoTeam Go" ON THE CAPE?
CLIFF
: No, b ut if I'db een b ack in H.S.,
the jocks would've b eenup inarms.
CHUCK : "Hey, yousaying something ab out
me?!"
CLIFF : "Oh, noit's not
. ." (laughter)
BILL: "Just ab out youb onehead"
CLIFF : "What makes youthink that, sir?"
MRR: ARE YOU GONNA TAKE YOUR
SOUND IN ANY NEW DIRECTIONS?
BILL: We'll have tosee what happens.
CLIFF : We want torecord, b ut we can't
come up with the money for a new practice
space even
. I've got a new song ab out a
priest whofucks little girls.
BILL: I'm not playing that.
CLIFF
: You saidthat ab out "So Long
Ago" . You said"I'm not playing a song
ab out a guy who kills little girls and
b uries them inhis b ackyard.", when the
song wasn't ab out that at all.
MRR : WHAT WAS IT ABOUT?.
CLIFF : It's got a doub le meaning--the
gardenis the guy's memory, andhe b uries
her inhis memory.
MRR
: WHAT ABOUT "Won't Come Back
Alive"? CLIFF : It's b asedonanemotional
attachment b etweena crazy uncle anda
"favorite nephew".
BILL: It's ab out his Uncle Fred.
(laughter) MRR: HOW ABOUT "Gardener
AndThe Maid"?
CLIFF : That's another doub le meaning.
BILL: It's ab out how houses fall apart
after many years.
CLIFF : Yeah (laughter) . The "gardener"
andthe "maid" is like a husb andandwife,
andthe house is their relationship andit's
falling apart, andthey don't really notice
it.
MRR : "Days Of Desperation"?
CLIFF : That's ab out a person who's
frustratedandgoing nowhere inhis own
life.
BILL : "Can you tell me where the loose
onions are?"
CLIFF : "Yes ma'am, right downthere on
the left. Come, I'll take your handand
show you. [ work inthe produce aisle."
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MRR: AM I CORRECT IN ASSUMING THAT
FOR THE SECOND TIME IN 2 TRIES,
HEART ATTACK IS DISSATISFIED WITH
THE SOUND QUALITY OF THEIR RECORD?
PA : When people do their art work or
whatever, they shouldb e ab le tocriticize
it . We couldhave done a lot b etter.
JE : I think it wasn't what we were
expecting toget
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2 4 tracks. . .b ut the soundcame out very
treb ly. Plus, I think we playeda little too
fast onit.
PA : As far as the contents, I think we've
evolvedto a different level of thinking
since then. Some of the songs onthere,
like "English Cunts", . . .our intentions had
nosexist values attachedat all.
JE : That term is usedin the Cockney
sense, andis not directedat women. It is
directedat people whoare prejudicedat
one type of culture, one type of music,
etc.
MRR: I CONSIDERED IT A SLAP, USING
BRITISH TERMS, AT BANDS LIKE THE
EXPLOITED ("Fuck The U.S.A.").
PA : Yeah, it's aimedat the tradition of
"British supremacy".
MRR: WHICH LEADS ME TO MY SECOND
QUESTION. OBVIOUSLY, H.A. IS THE
TYPE OF BAND WHICH TAKES THEIR
LYRICAL CONTENT VERY SERIOUSLY.
THAT'S TRUE ISN'T IT?
JE : Yes
. We really analyze lyrics andtry
to put a lot out. We don't want any love
songs. But then again, we don't want to
have great lyrics andnot have the music
b e great too
. If you have goodthings to
say . . .you can b e an encyclopedia,
throwing textb ook terms at people who
don't really like them
. . .But if you do it
with an art form, they might get intoit,
with that additionof emotionandsincerity.
MRR
: I WANTED TO ASK YOU ABOUT
THE LYRICS TO A
COUPLE OF YOUR
SONGS. "Last War' DOESN'T SEEMS TO
BE A VERY TYPICAL STATEMENT ON
WAR . IT SEEMS TO HAVE A MORE
PERSONAL, AT-HOME MESSAGE IN MIND.
JE : It's ab out the worldmentality onwar,
andthe machomentality which b reeds it
from such a young age on. You're b rought
up ina competitive society, taught tohave
power through a male image . People take
all that in--footb all, JohnWayne movies,
violence, patriotism
. It's like you want
your team towin, soAmerica b ecomes your
team. You don't even care what you're
fighting for
. You just want some of that
power to make you feel like you are
someb ody . Getting onthe 'war b andwagon'
gives
youanidentity.
PA : Youcan't isolate the 2 topics, b etween
war andyour regular life, b ecause so
many things perpetuate that war
sentiment.
JE : Greedwas another topic . We're (U.S.)
an imperialist country that fucks up
others
. . .half the worldis starving while
upper class people are living sowell.
PA : Andthe solutiontothese prob lems are
tojust use commonsense . But what's so
frustrating is that people aren't using
commonsense.
MRR: THERE'S A PARTICULAR SONG OF
YOURS THAT YOU HAVEN'T RECORDED
YET, "Wheels Over Indian Trails"--CAN
YOU COMMENT ON IT?
PA
: I was always sympathetic tothe Indian
struggle
. WhenI was younger, my b rother
was primarily involvedwith the American
IndianMovement andI went topow-wows
with him
. . . . soakedinthe culture.
JE
: It's ab out the racist roots of this
country
. Once again, it's that greedy,
selfish attitude
. Youknow how they tell us
it's sogreat how we came tothis country
from Englandandstartedthis young
nation
. But really, they fuckedover the
Indians whoalready livedhere.
JA: AndMexicans too.
PA
: Sothe AmericanDream is b asedon
genocidal roots
. Racism today didn't just
come from nowhere .
MRR
: YOUR BAND HAS MADE SOME
INTERESTING COMMENTS OVER THE
YEARS (3 -4) FROM THE STAGE
. AT A
SHOW YOU PLAYED, SOMEONE GOT HURT
AND YOU SAID SOMETHING..
PA : I said"Slamming shouldb e fun, not
footb all." Dancing shouldn't b e a uniform,
pre-plannedthing . A lot of people dance
ina certainset style
. If youget a feeling
from a b and, of a raw emotion, youshould
dance, express that however you want.
The skank, the mosh, the circle, etc.,
have b ecome a design, andpeople lose the
real feeling . In the b eginning of punk,
people let loose however they wanted. But
now it's
b ecome a very male thing, a maco
violent..
JA: But there's no hardcore without
slamminq.
JE
: We'dlike to destroy that kindof
ritual.
JA
: Whoare youtosay that slamming isn't
off a real emotion?
JE
: Nomusic's playing, andthey're still
slamming.
PA
: The things that make people want to
show emotions shouldb e what's b eing said,
sung
. Youcouldb e saying anything from
the stage, andpeople will still b e
dancing . . .as long as it's "hardcore" . They
have very little tolerance for anything
else .
MRR: IT'S ANOTHER EXPRESSION OF
CLOSEMINDEDNESS?
JE
: It's done in a conformist, unrealistic
way, in which people aren't dancing
b ecause they "feel it" ; they're dancing to
show their power, toshow what "cool men"
they are. It's b ecome a violent outlet, a
terrib le, generic thing where it's just
b lindconformity. Punk as commodity
. And
as tothe arguement ab out womenb eing
ab le or not toslam dance : I don't see why
they wouldwant tostoop tothat level.
MRR: YOU'VE EXPRESSED
INTEREST IN
PLAYING FOR DIFFERENT TYPES OF
PEOPLE ..
PA
: We'dlike tostress that.
JE : Being lab eledas "hardcore"
. . .were
HEART ATTACK, not Hardcore
. We're just
a b and. All sorts of people can get
something out of what we're doing . People
are people . .
.we're talking ab out world
situations, real life situations that
everyb ody is involvedin. We've played
with LIQUID LIQUID
. SWANS. etc
. We
don't mindthe HC audience, which needs a
lot of attention, b ut we don't wanna get
stuck injust that.
MRR: YOU DON'T THINK THAT BECAUSE
OF THE WHOLE HC SCENE THAT HAS
EVOLVED IN THE LAST YEAR OR SO,
THAT THOSE WHO AREN'T ALREADY
"CONVERTED" TO HC HAVEN'T HAD
Red skins walk on wounded knees/Nomadic life isn't savagery
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o
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autonomy thrive when the violence has failed
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s oil in the soil
Did Crazy Horse really go insane
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Domesticated animals confectionary kill if you're the last
The first to eat
ms
et hamburge
r,
knew man'
s greed makes nature fail
Sufficien
t
by themselves they
The buffalo's gone there are wheels over Indian trails
.
T his t ime 'r ound le t 's de fine t e r ms and call it S E XIS M&WAR
. You can't t alk
about one wit hout t he ot he r . T he lar ge scale pr oble ms of a socie t y cannot be iso-
lat e d be cause t he y ar e t oo int e r t wine d, and as a conse que nce , bot h fe e d off and pr o
duce e achot he r .
Whe n t alking about war , one must unde r st and t he ame r ican value syst e m
. ?O WE R
is a st at us symbol
; it include s be ing "r ight ", r e spe ct e d, looke d up t o, and fol-
lowe d
. T he wor d has masculine connot at ions
. Most pe ople obt ain and maint ain powe r
by be ing "t ough"
. S ince powe r is wor shipe d
; be ing macho is glor ifie d as we ll
. P 'e s-
culinit y is a conce pt made up and de fine d by a se x ist socie t y . It lays t he false
foundat ions for male be havior . A man must be big, st r ong & dominant , in ot he r wor ds
--VIO L E NT . (t he conve r se of which says t hat a fe minine or pe ace ful at t it ude is un-
nat ur al .)
-how can our se x ist socie t y he lp but ide alize war - t he ult imat e macho act !
S ce ne #1:
** 1967 -se ve r al st aff aids r e main be hind aft e r a cabine t me e t ing
. pr e side nt of t he
u.s . lyndon b. johnson-r ant ing about who t he he ll was Ho Chi Mihn,t hinking t hat he
could push ar ound t he u .s7 He t he n un.
.ippe d his t r ouse r s, t ook out his manhood and
aske d "Has Ho Chi Mihn got anyt hing like t hat ?" **********************aaeaea******
T he scar y par t is t hat it 's t r ue
. A count r y t hat assosiat e a war and masculini-
t y will ne ve r st r ive t owar ds pe ace , but always cont inue t o fle x it s muscle s & fight
l !ke lit t le boys in a schoolyar d
who've just be e n t aught t he same ide als.
o .; e ne #2 :
** wash . d.c
. t he Washingt on (fat he r of our count r y) monume nt --a giant phalic sym-
bol sur r ounde d by a cir cle of ame r ican flags
. How pr ofound! **********************
E ve r ywhe r e we look we
se e t he ide al man glor ifie d in ads
. 90% of t he companie s
using se x ism t o pr omot e t he ir pr oduct s ar e also t he one s suppor t ing u
.s . war s by
e x ploit ing t he "e ne my" in ce nt r al ame r ica, or inve st ing $$ in t he making of we apons
T o e scape fr om t he t hr e at of war me ans saying no t o t he r oot s of war -se x ist '.
We cannot call
our se lve s pacifist s and t he n st ill suppor t t he for ce s t hat suppor t
(dir e ct ly or indir e ct ly) t he war s . -- donat e d by Holly Ramos.
THEIR MINDS SIGNIFICANTLY CLOSED TO
WHERE THEY
WOULDN'T GIVE YOU A
CHANCE?
JE : The whole HC thing is b ecoming quite
the opposite of what it originally meant to
me . .
.no prejudice, lots of freedom,
individuality. But the media has done so
much to it, andthen kids have
"N.Y.H.C
." onthe b acks of their jackets.
That's prejudice
. Dressing the same,
sounding the same . . .total conformity.
MRR
: DON'T YOU FEEL THAT BY HAVING
BEEN ASSOCIATED WITH THAT, YOU'RE
TRAPPED IN IT.
JE : We're hurt b y it, of course.
JA: But how much can you say in one
song
. People are more interestedin the
music, not the words.
JE : I wish it were the other way around.
MRR : WELL, WHAT IS IT YOU PLAN TO
DO TO REACH A DIFFERENT TYPE OF
AUDIENCE?
PA
: The thing that b inds us together is
what we have tosay.
JE
: We met a lot of different people when
we were organizing the Vancouver 5
b enefit
. Activities like that leadtomeeting
other people with similar sentiments
. It
matters though on the way you present
things,how yousay it
. If you do it in the
right way, you can open their eyes. So,
we're trying toget other types of gigs,
playing todifferent types of people
. It's
OK, as long as we don't change what we're
doing.
MRR : WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS, THERE'S
A CERTAIN PREJUDICE INBRED IN
PEOPLE WHO AREN'T INTO PUNK,
AGAINST PUNK. . .SIMILAR TO THE
PREJUDICE WITHIN THE PUNK SCENE . DO
YOU THINK IT'S A POSSIBILITY TO
OVERCOME THEIR PREJUDICES?
PA : The music andthe lyrics are our
tools . We're all humanb eings, andwe all
have communication, so. . .It's how well you
communicate .
JE : That's why we like to say things
b etweensongs, b ecause sometimes our
lyrics are incomprehensib le.
MRR : DO YOU THINK PREJUDICES CAN
BE OVERCOME THAT EASILY?
PA : No, it's very deep rooted. It takes a
lot.
JE : We can't just goup onstage andsay,
"OK, b lack andwhite live together".
MRR: BUT THE CLUBOWNER IS THE
ISSUE . HE MAY NOT WANT TO BOOK
YOUR BAND BECAUSE HE'S AFRAID
YOU'LL ATTRACT A VIOLENT AUDIENCE.
JE : All we can dois try toknock down
the old"punk=chaos" type of attitude . We
don't condone that .
MRR: AND YOU CAN CONTROL YOUR
OWN AUDIENCE?
JE : Toanextent we can. But we can't b e
b ouncers . It is up to us though to do
something if we see someone getting b eat
up at a show, There is a certain
responsib ility onthe performer.
MRR: BUT A CLUB LIKE THE
PEPPERMINT LOUNGE DOESN'T ALLOW
SLAM DANCING, AND YET YOU'D LIKE
TO PLAY THERE? JA : I don't consider
HEART ATTACK tob e the type of b and
that b rings out slam dancers.
JE : We don't want to link ourselves to
that.
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e recently wrote o to apan, trying to
findout ab out one of the most powerful,
andleast known, hardcore b ands inthe
world
. They have 3 '
7 "ers, a 12 " EP, and
2 LP's totheir credit, all of which totally
shred. FormedinJuly of 1980, this outfit
have estab lishedquit
,
a reputationintheir
homeland. For one thing, they are b anned
from most club s (called'live houses',
which only holdless than a hundred
fans), b ecause they andthe audience
demolisheda few of the locales in '81.
They are alsonotorious b ecause of their
choice of a name . . ."The name of Stalinis
very hatedb y most people, soit's good
for our image ."
Are they Communists? No, b ut they are
very radical. . ."We are very influencedb y
Takaaki Yoshimoto, the most important
thinker inJapansince WWII
. His thought
was very original, andstrongly influenced
the Japanese student movement
." The
b and, as it says on the jacket of one of
their LP's, is "Political", b ut not in the
traditional sense . Relating toneither Left
nor Right, they sneer at regular politics
b ecause "It is the most skillful swindling
ever thought up b y humanb eings
."
The STALIN feel they are ina category of
their own, with other Japanese hardcore
b ands b eing mere imitations . "The
Japanese have a hab it of making symb ols
for everything . For example, a manwith a
Trojanhaircut is "hardcore" ; a b andthat
plays simple rhytms is "hardcore" . But
such superficial things don't matter tous.
We

are

intrinsically

hardcore .

Most
Japanese b ands are like most Japanese
cultural

amalgams :

trash

imitations.
DISCHARGE, G.B.H., DISORDER,
EXPLOITED, MOTORHEAD, etc. are the
influences of the b ands whob elieve it is
an article of faith tocopy . Those b ands
are only ab out fashion.

Even their
messages are fashion."
But STALIN, a b lazing hardcore b and,
does admit tosome musical influences,
however b izarre they appear . "We like the
JACKS (a Japanese b andwhob roke up 15
years ago), the DOORS, early BOB
DYLAN, PATTI SMITH, andJOHN
LYDON."
Intriguing? Hopefully, youcanfindout for
yourself what youthink ab out them . They
almost made it tothf U.S. recently, b ut
hadtoscrub it. Perhaps soon. But until
then you might write to them ab out
cquiring their records
. The latest LP, a
picture disc noless, 'ranks right up there
with any, I saidany, great punk/ hardcore
and. Their new address is : The STALIN/
/ oB.Q. LimitedLiab ility Co. / 2 -2 -2 0-7 04
Kab uki-cho/ Shinjuku- ku, Tokyo/ Japan.
ayonara!
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LONG ISLAND- Winter arrives onthe East
Coast with rain, rain, andmore rain, as
this report moves ab out 3 5 miles east of
the Big Apple for come Long Islandnews.
First, Steve Kaye of WUSB, 90 .1 FM,
Stony Brook, N.Y. (that's me) celeb rates
four months of expandedhardcore
coverage on his weekly radio show
January, 1984 . Having given up an hour
of my show more than a year agotoair
Maximum Rock 'nRoll at 11pm Wednesday
nights, the calls for more punk finally
made an impact, andI'm devoting the
major part of my 9-11pm shift tothose
fans whocalledandwrote for more, more,
more!! Featuredevery few weeks is Greg
of the b andFATAL VISION, whosupplies
some hard-to-get noise, andJeff of
INSANITY DEFENSE, whosits b ack and
surveys the damage . Short interviews are
also done, past guests have included
INSANITY DEFENSE, FATAL VISION,
Brian of the ANTHRAXGALLERY in
Stamford, Ct
., Bill of REFLEXFROM
PAIN, Bones of CIA, Jack of the MOB,
andthe NIHILISTICS, whointerrupteda
rehearsal totalk, andalsopremieredtheir
new song "Grandma's Asshole," live over
the phone! Recently, WUSB put on a
Thanksgiving show at My Father's Place in
Roslyn, featuring INSANITY DEFENSE,
CIA (from Connecticut), the MOB, andthe
NIHILISTICS, b ringing some music out
East, after what seems like years.
Everything went onok, despite threats b y
the club owner toclose the show . Tensions
calmed, the b ands playedandeveryone
came out with what they expected- a good
time b y all.
Some quickie news from the show - CIA
will have recordedanalb um b y the time
you readthis, andthe NIHILISTICS
shouldb e finishing up recording some
material for a new disc. Also, REFLEX
FROM PAIN (from Connecticut) handedme
a tape of new music, with a new line-up;
feel priviledgedif you can get a copy of
this, they've improvedenormously andare
definitely a b andto reckon with in the
future.
Last comments : b ands/ fanzines, etc - I
needmaterial for my show
; I play
everything I get, will sendyou a playlist
if you're on it, andwant to fulfill
listeners' requests . Address : Steve Kaye,
PO Box 17 4, Stony Brook, NY 117 90
INSANITY DEFENSE, andI
play b ass fro
S .C.'s guitar andvocals for INSANITY
DEFENSE
. So, we're a pretty close group.
We have a thirdb andnow calledFATAL
VISIONS that we're ab out toproduce a
tape for, which shouldb e out the
b eginning of the year
. This is all Unsound
Music, PO Box 2 16 , Centerport, NY 117 2 1.
MRR-
This is all done inyour b asement?
^
n e xt ye ar .
M R R - W hat about at our ?
J- We're thinking ab out next spring or
summer
. The b andhas really b een
enthusiastic oneither renting a vanor do
that usual thing of doing a small tour
throughout the Northeast or Midwest
. If
anyone has any opportunities for us to
play any show, let us know, we'db e more
that happy to. We haven't has toomany
opportunities toplay . It has taken us a
little time toget b ack together with a new

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things. But now we're concentrating on
playing as much as possib le.
J- I just touch on a lot of different things
through the tape, b ut we don't have any
particular politics. I think it's more
personal politics.
MRR- More like "Grudge Against the
World", which is one of your songs.
J- Those are mostly the songs ab out
anxiety.

lot

of

people

have
misinterpretedit, thinking that it's like
this outcast from society. It's more the
anger surrounding the things you've b een
b rought up with andhow people have their
ownlittle grudges. I'm really not trying to
put

things

down.

It's

more

just
questioning some of the things that are
going around. I'm open. . my opinions
change all the time . I'm less, right now,
intob eing outspokenpolitically andmore
intoconcentrating onthings that affect us
a little more personally now, inthe b and,
rather thanlarger issues, which I think a
lot of people have saidb etter in some
ways, andit's already hadits statement
andimpact.
MRR- What ab out "Flesh, Metal andGlass"?
J- I got that off one of those "Don't drink
Jeff Earing

anddrive" pamphlet, in fact, andit

always stuck inmy mindb ecause it was
J- Yeah, it's a small operation. I had

such a stark representation

. The title just
gottenthe idea b ecause we hadgottena

evokedthe imagery perfectly

. I thought it
goodsoundoff of INSANITY DEFENSE and

was something that was a necessary

we figuredthat is we can get a good

statement, b ecause everyb ody has run

sound, why waste a lot of money going

across people whojust shouldn't b e onthe

intoexpensive studios. We realizedyou

road.
can really doit onyour ownwithout means

MRR- The b and has a new b ass player

andnot really have todeal with studios

now.
that don't know what you want. We just

J- Yeah, we have NelsonRowe, whowe

want toproduce inexpensive cassettes b y a

just got ab out four months ago. He's also

lot of local b ands if we can.

the guitarist inSATAN'S CHEERLEADERS,

MRR- Any new music from INSANITY

which is the secondtape that we put on

DEFENSE inthe future?

Unsound
. We have b andmemb ers that we
J- We have a couple of cuts that we're

share : John Sanb orn is the singer in

planning on releasing in advanse of our

SATAN'S CHEERLEADERS, RonPhillips

secondtape, which shouldb e out early

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talk out on a lot
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the
Interview b y Steve Kaye of WUSB
MRR- Who is "Let's See Action" directed
to?
J- Well, a lot of people talk tome ab out
preaching politics andstuff, andI just
decidedtowrite something ab out how a lot
of those b ands endup sounding like
politicians, andthat, while it's goodto
really talk ab out it - to try to get
something together, whether it b e with a
b andor organize something onyour own-
words are good, b ut you have to have
something else.
MRR- Onyour tape you
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CHARLOTTESVILLE-This city hadseemed,
for my first 2 years here, pretty much a
lost cause for hardcore
. In the last few
months that has all changed. We now have
a club (Muldowney's) where we canhave
shows ona pretty regular b asis, andwe
have 3 b ands
: LACKEY DIE (a fantastic
HC b andlive) ; The LANDLORDS (my
b and, so I can't say too much except
people seemedto enjoy our set at
Muldowney's
. This was not the case at the
Holiday Inn talent show, where we were
kickedout after only 3 songs--the manager
evenstoodoutside watching us loadup so
he couldmake sure we left) : andLOWEST
COMMON DENOMINATOR (not a thrash
b and, b ut more of-a noise b and, according
tothe leadguitarist, whois quite adept at
proving he has no idea how to play
guitar).
Any b ands ontour whoare willing toplay
for gas money, please call Andy at
(804)97 9=6 2 96
. Also, we have a radioshow
which plays HC every week . Bands with
tapes or records shouldsendthem to:
WTJU-FM, Box 7 11, Newcomb Hall Station,
Charlottesville, VA 2 2 901, Attn: Hardcore
Staff.
Thanks, JohnBeers
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ST O R E S-L E T 'S D E A L D I R E C T !
MRR: HOW WOULD YOU CHARACTERIZE
YOUR OUTLOOK AS A SKINHEAD? WHAT
DOES "SKIN" MEAN TO YOU?
S : Well, what it meant, since nob ody in
the b andis a skinhead, .we never
startedout saying we're gonna b e a
skinheadb and. At the time,' l happenedto
b e a skinheadandnever wantedtoplay
thrash. It never appealedtous. We're just
a punk b and. At the time, everyb ody was
playing 3 00 MPH andwe weren't . Andthe
only other music that was coming out was
Oi!-- sowe got put intothat category . So
I was a skinhead, b ut not a fascist.
MRR : SO IT WAS A LA-TB-EL PUT ON YOU?
S : Yeah, people said, "So you're Oi!
CROSS?"
MRR
: BUT YOUR RECORD LABEL IS
CALLED "SKINFLINT".
S : Yes. That was the name of a magazine I
put out too.
MRR
: THAT DOES MAKE IT SEEM LIKE
YOU RELATE TO "SKIN".
S : At the time, we did
. But only on the
positive side
. We were not involvedinany
of the 'not sonice' stuff.
MRR : WHAT, TO YOU, WAS THE
POSITIVE SIDE?
S : It wasn't anything that we just did
; it
was the just the way we were . Back then,
punk hadgone down, andwe were kids,
just feeling our way along, working for a
living, andit seemedtoclick
. I went to
school with skinheads b ack in 7 6 , and
knew what they were ab out
. I didn't like
the fascist part of it
. But I didlike
certainaspects
: it was clean, cheap,
sharp . It's hardtoexplain.
MRR: WELL, RELATING TO NOT JUST
THE IMAGE, BUT THE OUTLOOK
. . .ON
YOUR FIRST EP THERE'S MENTION IN
SONGS LIKE, "D.C. skinheads have a
stance . . ."
S
: That's a song I didn't write, didn't
want onthe record, anddon't really want
totalk ab out.
MRR : LET'S BRING IT TO THE PRESENT
THEN
. HOW DO YOU FEEL YOU'VE
CHANGED? YOU'VE MENTIONED SEVERAL
TIMES THAT 'THAT'S THE PAST" IN
SOME SENSE, THAT SOMETHING HAS
CHANGED.
S
: It's more like youpeople have realized
what we are, as opposedtous changing.
Yeah, we've b ecome a little more cynical,
disillusionedwith the 'great world' and
everything this (punk) movement was
supposedtohave b eenab out
. But we're
the same people
. It's just taken this long
for a lot of people tosee that I couldn't
care less ab out singing "Fuck Reagan",
andwant tosing ab out things relevant to
people's lives--not wanting tojust sit and
point a finger at the figureheadon TV,
b ut point it at ourselves
. That's a lot
harder.
MRR: WHAT ARE YOU POINTING FINGERS
AT?
S
: Ourselves andour lives. I'm the first
persontocriticize myself
. Always. I don't
sit there smugly andsay, "I'm wonderful
andI'm gonna change the world." I'm not
gonna dothat
; none of us are . I'm much
toocynical for that.
MRR : WHAT INSPIRES YOU TO STILL
FIGHT FOR SOMETHING?
S : If you're an individual, you have to
standup andsay, "Look, I'm someb ody."
But at the same time I have green hair
anda pin through my nose, I want to
listen to what I want, do what I want,
regardless of what the 'great masses' tell
me to. . . . the great masses, the office
slaves, or whether it's the allegedpunks.
If I want to go to a SILLY WIZARD
concert, I do
. AndI think they're a
fantastic b and--an Irish folk b and.
They're incredib le . If I want to reada
b ook b y Mary Stewart, I'll r '_,
at . And
if I want towear a tie, I'll' %, tie
. I
play this kindof music, ,''

can
classify it as that, b ut I dowhat

want.
I
ATTITUDE ABOUT
IS YOUR
MRR : WHAT
FIGHTING?
S : "For a reason, andwhennecessary" . If
you're going tostandup andb e counted,
then you b etter b e ab le totake it when
someone smacks you---otherwise, you're
not much of anything tostart with. But I
have never heldwith the b ully-b oy
attitude of "I don't like him b ecause he
has long hair, or he's gay
. .
.soI'm here
with 6 of my b uddies andlet's b eat him
up ."
MRR : SO, TO YOU, YOUR ATTITUDES
ARE VERY MUCH THE 'TRUE PUNK'
ATTITUDES.
I
I
S : Yeah. "I
' m me, fuck you!" I don't want
togoaroundassaulting oldwomen or
hassling anyb ody, unless they fuck with
me first
. If someone wants tojump me and
b e a 'b ig man', I may b lindhim
; that's the
price you pay
. I goab out my b usiness,
andI'm not here toprove how tough I am.
"Only a fool fights whenhe doesn't have
to" saida wise man, Confucius.
MRR :

ALL

THESE

DIFFERENT
LABELS. .
.PUNK, SKIN. . .THE WAY
YOU'VE STATED YOUR PHILOSOPHY, A
PUNK OR SKIN COULD BOTH SAY "YES,
THAT'S MY PHILOSOPHY".
S
: People are people, b eyondlab els.
Because you're a skindoesn't meanyou're
National Front (UK fascist party), or it
doesn't meannecessarily that youaren't
. I
know many skinheads whoaren't andwho
are N
.F ., b ut b eing N
.F . doesn't make
you a b adperson
. I've got friends in
Englandwhoare intothe National Front,
andthey'
re real nice guys
. They' re
humans, just like anyb ody else
. I disagree
with their politics, I'll argue ab out it with
them, b ut they're still my friends.
MRR
: ON SOME LEVEL, MOST PEOPLE
ARE 'NICE GUYS'
. AT THE SAME TIME,
WHEN LINES GET DRAWN
. . .
S : Well, if the Front is on the streets, I'll
fight them . If it comes downtothat . ..
MRR : . .YOU'LL END UP FIGHTING YOUR
OWN FRIENDS.
S : Which is the way life is. It's funny, in
this town, ab out wholikes IRON CROSS
andwhodoesn't
. The punks, or alleged
punks,

the

kids

(to

b e
condescending)--they like us. The
intellectual fringe, the college students,
the trendy Left--they hate us. I findit
quite amusing that these people will call me
a Nazi, whenthey've never evenseenone.
WhenI was 16 , I was almost b eatenup b y
3 guys inthe N
.F. b ecause I was wearing
my homemade "Pogoon a Nazi" t-shirt.
Andthenthese armchair communists get
off calling me a fascist . It's frustrating.
MRR : WHY DO YOU THINK SOME PEOPLE
THINK YOU'RE A FASCIST?
5: Because they have b eenfooled. They
say "the media lies", b ut they swallow the
media on this issue, hook, line, and
sinker. Yeah, I was a skinhead. I'm not
ashamedof it, or anything else I've done.
MRR : WHY DO YOU USE THE PAST
TENSE? S
: Cause I've got green, spikey
hair.
MRR : SO, IT'S JUST A MATTER OF
IMAGE--THE CLOTHES, THE LOOK?
S : Andthe attitude . People say "Oh,
these skinheads are so terrib le", b ut
they've always b eenaround. They just
dresseddifferently inpast times
. There's
always b eenmindless oafs whohave hadto
prove they are macho. It's the same
people, dresseddifferent ways ; nothing
has changed. Somy image has changed,
for the time. We were punks b efore we
were skinheads . Andthen we went b ack
b ecause we b ecame very disillusionedwith
the whole skinheadthing b ecause there
were somany idiots getting involvedto
prove how tough they are.
MRR: YOU DON'T FEEL THE SAME WAY
ABOUT PUNK?
Sr Oh Christ, yeah. I've hung my leather
jacket up now . I've gone b ack tohow I
looked5-6 years ago--thin ties andsuit
jackets . AndI don't associate with them,
andam the first to insult them to their
faces cause I think they're fools.
MRR: My IMPRESSION OF YOU WAS
BASED MAINLY ON THE LYRICS ON YOUR
FIRST EP. I HADN'T READ ANY MEDIA
STUFF ABOUT YOU.
S : What didyoufindsooffensive ab out it?
MRR : THERE WAS THE "PSYCHO SKIN"
SONG ABOUT "BEATING UP QUEERS".
YOU'VE SINCE DISAVOWED THAT.
S : The song as a whole is ab out what
happenedtosomeb ody whooverreachedhis
b ounds, which is what you dowhen you
assault someone . If youab use someone for
b eing whothey are, b e it gay, woman,
punk, or redneck, then you've lost your
rights as a humanb eing.
MRR
: BUT THAT SONG DOESN'T SAY
THAT, AND, IN THE CONTEXT OF THE
OTHER SONGS ABOUT FIGHTING, THE
NAME OF THE BAND ITSELF . ..
S
: Whenwe thought up the name, IRON
CROSS, it never occuredtous that it was
connectedwith (German) fascism . We
almost didn't use it b ecause it soundedlike
a heavy-metal b and.
MRR : BUT CAN YOU SEE HOW SOMEONE
SEEING THAT NAME, SEEING A SONG
ABOUT QUEER- BASHING, THE EMPHASIS
ON FIGHTING, COULD COME TO THE
CONCLUSION THAT YOU DO RELATE TO
CERTAIN ASPECTS OF FASCISM?
S : Why didit take them so long to
questionme . The only reason you andI
talkedlast year was b ecause youcalledthe
house andI said"I heardyoupulledour
song off the air" andyoulaughedandsaid
"yeah" andI said"how come?" andwe
startedtalking from there .
.
.r
MRR : MOST PEOPLE DON'T HAVE THAT
ACCESS TO YOU, OR THE TIME TO GO
AROUND FINDING OUT WHAT EVERY
BAND REALLY MEANS
.
S : I hate America. I despise it. It's sc
plastic
. My family is European, not
American
. My father was a Germanrefugee
from Nazi Germany in193 6
. He was snuck
out b y his father to avoidthe German
Army .
My mother grew up in London
during the Blitz
. Plus,

I've livedin
England.
MRR
: SO YOU'VE HAD A CONTRAST OF
CULTURES.
S : There are 2 zines in this town that
dislike us immensely
. Neither one has ever
b otheredtoapproach us. That, I find
dub ious . They set themselves up as.
informationsheets . It seems like the
trendy left aroundhere doesn't want you
tocriticize Mr . Marx, or it's off to the
salt mines.
MRR
: SO ALL THOSE LOCAL ZINES ARE
LEFT?
S : It's the intellectual (not that I have
anything against learning), snob b y college
student zines that hate our guts . That's
fine, cause I don't like that kindof
person
. The kindof zines done b y the
regular kids dolike us.
MRR: AREN'T THOSE ZINES MORE
CENTER OR MODERATE THAN LEFT?
S : No, they're fascist.
MRR: MAYBE WE'RE USING DIFFERENT
TERMS.
S : God, this country sucks.
MRR
: IT'S A CULTURAL WASTELAND.
S : There's nocharm, noclass
; it's so
vulgar . You flip on the TV andyou get
pelted

b y

ads :

"Christmas

Sale,
Thanksgiving Sale, MillardFillmore's
Birthday Sale". You name it, andthey'll
have a sale andmake some fucking money
out of it. Nopride
. Or if there is, it's an
ugly-b ased"I'm a country b oy andI'm
ignorant" kindof pride.
MRR
: PART OF THE PROBLEM IS THAT
MOST PEOPLE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO
CROSS- REFERENCE IT AGAINST
. THEY
THINK THEY KNOW WHAT THE WORLD OR
THIS COUNTRY IS ALL ABOUT, BUT
THEY ONLY KNOW WHAT THEY'VE BEEN
SPOONFED . THAT'S WHY WHEN SOMEONE
SAYS SOMETHING LIKE "I'M
APOLITICAL", I LIKE TO GET THEM TO
DEFINE THAT
.

EVERONE'S GOT A
DIFFERENT DEFINITION.
weren't weenedonBLACK FLAG andthe
CIRCLE JERKS. The stuff we grew up
with was the PISTOLS, BUZZCOCKS,
DEAD BOYS, AVENGERS. So, the desire
toplay 3 millionmiles anhour andgo"uh,
uh, uh, uh" was never there.
MRR : IS IT JUST THE SPEED OF TODAY'S
SONGS THAT MAKE THEM NOT HAVE AN
IMPACT FOR YOU?
S : That's a contrib uting factor. Having
nothing tosay is the other factor.
MRR : WHY DO YOU THINK SO MANY KIDS
DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY, IN
YOUR OPINION?
S : Cause they don't b other tothink for
themselves
. The great punk idea of
'thinking for yourself' is virtually dead.
That's what it was all ab out. . .don't just
sit there andlistentowhat Tim Yohannan
or Sab Grey has tosay, andtake it as
gospel. Listen to it if you want to, and
say "that sounds good" andthencriticize
it, anddosomething ab out it.
MRR: DON'T YOU THINK THAT WHEN A
MOVEMENT JUST STARTS AND HAS A
CLEAN SLATE, SO TO SPEAK, IT'S
EASIER IN A WAY BECAUSE ANYTHING
THAT ANYBODY DOES IS NEW. BUT FIVE
YEARS DOWN THE ROAD IT'S HARDER TO
BE INNOVATIVE AND FRESH.
S : SoI'm supposedtojump up anddown
whensome kidpicks up a guitar andgoes
"ReaganSucks"?
MRR: WHAT IF HE PICKS UP A GUITAR
AND GOES "FUN, FUN, FUN"? IS THAT
ANY DIFFERENT?
S : Well, I'm apolitical. I've readall the
b ooks. WhenI was 15 I stole a copy of the
Communist Manifestoout of my high school
lib rary
. I still have it. I've readBakunin
andProudhon. It's horseshit
. It's crap.
MRR: WHY DON'T YOU EXPLAIN.
S : Because it cannot work b ecause it
appeals topeople's intellects. And99% of
the people on the face of this earth
haven't got enough b rains toshit with.
They are selfish, mindless pigs . They're
conditionedintothinking that there is no
other way. They cannot possib ly conceive
of anything different at any level.
Somewhere along the line, the kids that
ask "Mommy, mommy, what's that" lose
that . Those that don't b ecome writers,
critics (I don't think much of critics, even
though I'm one myself), figures insociety,
etc.
MRR : I JUST DID AN INTERVIEW WITH
THE MINUTEMEN, WHO ARE WORKING
STIFFS, WHO ARE NOT AS CYNICAL AS
YOU, WHO DO FEEL THAT THERE IS
PLENTY OF ROOM FOR WORKING PEOPLE
TO REALIZE THEIR CREATIVE ABILITY.
S
: It wouldb e wonderful if they did, b ut
I'm too cynical to think that they ever
will . This gets b ack toAnarchy andall
that crap . . . inorder toacheive a Utopia,
we'dhave toridourselves of every b it of
ingrainedemotionalism - hatred, greed,
sexism, racism, etc. That stuff is a
product of 90 millionyears of evolution. It
wouldtake evenlonger for those traits to
b e smoothedout, andthenwe'dhave our
Utopia.
MRR : SHORT OF UTOPIA, IF YOU DON'T
THINK THAT IN OUR LIFETIME OR 10
LIFETIMES THE HUMAN SITUATION IS
GONNA BECOME A UTOPIA, THERE IS
THE POSSIBILITY TO CREATE OTHER
SYSTEMS THAT AT LEAST BRING OUT
THE BETTER ASPECTS OF HUMAN
NATURE
. I DON'T THINK THOSE
NEGATIVE PARTS WILL EVER 'GO AWAY',
BUT THE SYSTEM WE LIVE IN NOW
GLORIFIES THOSE NEGATIVE VALUES! MY
DEFINITION OF "POLITICAL" IS TO BE
ABLE TO FIGHT TO HAVE A SYSTEM
THAT STRESSES THE POSITIVE SIDE OF
HUMAN BEHAVIOR.
S : I agree with you there . I readinMRR
your interview with the F .U.'S. I likedit.
I likedit a lot. The F.U.'S are running
with b linders ; they're stupid. I don't
mean tocriticize them personally, just
using them as anexample . But they typify
the "I don't have a roof over my head,
andhe doesn't have anything at all, soI
must b e b etter" attitude
. That's stupid.
You're marginally b etter off, b ut. ..
MRR : THAT'S NOTHING TO BE PROUD
OF
.
S : No, b ut I'll take that at more face
value, b ecause the personwhosays "Fuck
Reagan" prob ab ly has noidea what he's
talking ab out.
MRR
: YOU DON'T KNOW THAT FOR SURE.
EARLIER YOU MADE A COMPLAINT
ABOUT PEOPLE NOT BOTHERING TO FIND
OUT WHAT YOU REALLY MEAN . ..
5
: There are some b ands like that whoI
admire, whosay what they b elieve in, who
are honest. I may not agree with it, may
not like their music, b ut I respect them.
M.D.C., for example
. I don't like what
they have tosay. .
.well, I agree ob viously
with some of it
. I'm prob ab ly more Left
wing thanmost people, b ut I'm not active
ab out it. . .
.screaming, ranting, andraving
ab out it.
MRR
: BUT IN A WAY YOUR
GENERALIZATIONS ABOUT THE "FUCK
REAGAN" TYPES ARE JUST AS UNFAIR
AS SOME PEOPLE'S THOUGHTS ABOUT
YOU. YOU MAY NOT KNOW HOW
KNOWLEDGABLE OR WELL-INTENTIONED
THEY MIGHT BE.
S : I'm not anti-politics; I'm anti-utopian..
MRR
: LET'S SAY YOUR CYNICISM IS AT
THE FOREFRONT OF YOUR THOUGHT.
S : I'm one of the most sarcastic, cynical
assholes you'll ever want tomeet inyour
life
. I'm just a very b itter person.
MRR: IS THAT BASED ON YOUR
PERSONAL EXPERIENCES?
S :

That,

and

I'm

just

anasshole
(laughter) .
S
: There are much b etter ways of putting
it than"Fuck Reagan".
MRR
: WELL, YOU CHOSE THAT EXTREME
EXAMPLE.
S : I suppose I did.
MRR
: I THINK IT MUST HAVE TO DO
WITH A BASIC PHILOSOPHICAL
DIFFERENCE YOU HAVE
. IF YOU REALLY
DID FEEL "FUCK REAGAN", THEN YOU
WOULD

BE

BIT

MORE
SYMPATHETIC. . ."YEAH,

"FUCK
REAGAN", AT LEAST THEY"RE
BEGINNING TO THINK." BUT YOU FEEL
THEY AREN'T THINKING AT ALL.
S : No, no, no, no, no
. Now you're wrong.
Tome, "Fuck Reagan" is not nearly as
important as , say, "Wolfpack" is tome
. It
b others me more that anoldwomancan't
walk the streets b ecause some mugger's
gonna whack her upside the head
. That's
much closer tohome, andmuch more todo
with the great sins of the world.
MRR: THERE'S SOME QUOTE THAT SAYS,
"WHEN 100 PEOPLE DIE, IT'S A
CATASTROPHE, BUT WHEN A MILLION
DIE IT'S A STATISTIC".
MRR: SO, WHY LIVE, SAB? WHY FIGHT?
S : If you don't, it's a cop-out, isn't it?
MRR
: THAT MUST INDICATE THAT ON
SOME LEVEL YOU'RE NOT AS CYNICAL
AS YOU LEAD PEOPLE TO BELIEVE.
S : Ob viously, if you're 100% cynical you
wouldsnuff yourself. I doenjoy things in
life.

like taking a b ig shit in the

morning, like everyb ody else
. I like the
smell of my own farts. There are good
things inlife
. But isn't life difficult?
MRR
: WHAT ELSE IN YOUR PHILOSOPHY
WOULD YOU LIKE TO EXPOUND?
S : My philosophy? I never thought of it as
a philosophy.
MRR: SURE
. WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT
YOUR LIFE, YOUR OUTLOOK, YOUR
EXISTENCE, THAT'S YOUR PHILOSOPHY.
S
: Gee, Sab the Philosopher . AndI'm not
evenGreek.
MRR : SO WHAT'S YOUR OUTLOOK ON
THE DIRECTION OF TODAY'S PUNK
SCENE?
S : You really have to wonder
. Now,
everyb ody's just sounding like everyb ody
else--fast. The memb ers of IRON CROSS
S
: Youknow whosaidthat? I think it was
a very prominent Nazi, Josef Goeb b els .
MRR : SO, IN THIS CASE, YOU CAN
THINK ABOUT ONE WOMAN GETTING
WHACKED UPSIDE THE HEAD, AND ON AN
INDIVIDUAL LEVEL, SYMPATHIZE AND
FEEL IT. BUT IF REAGAN WHACKS 1000
PEOPLE UPSIDE THE HEAD EVERY DAY,
WHY DOES THAT INVALIDATE SINGING
ABOUT IT?
S : It doesn't . It's just that Reaganhimself
doesn't . He's just a figureheadof a
political party, a political system, andits
associates whoare responsib le . It's not
him himself. Reagan's prob ab ly a really
nice guy . Tome, he seems very myopic,
prob ab ly not toob right, a terrib le actor.
MRR : BUT A GOOD POLITICIAN THOUGH.
S
: He knows how tomanipulate people.
Andthat's what we're all ab out anyway
. I
try todothe same thing whenwe perform.
I wouldb e lying if I saidI didn't. That's
what stage presence is : manipulation of
people . He happens todoit b etter than
the last guy
. Basically, he represents a
hell of a lot of evil. I donot think much
of him at all, you know . But onthe other
hand,

whining

and

sniveling

ab out
something like that is a b it pointless,
especially if you doit in a manner that
doesn't acheive anything.
MRR
: MY FEELING IS IT'S A GOOD
STARTING PLACE THOUGH. FOR MOST
KIDS WHO'VE BEEN WEANED ON TV AND
HEAVY-METAL AND NEVER THOUGHT
MUCH AT ALL, IT'S A GIANT STEP TO
BE ABLE TO SAY THAT
. I REMEMBER
THE FIRST TIME I GOT UP ENOUGH
COURAGE TO LOOK UP IN THE SKY AND
STICK OUT MY MIDDLE FINGER AND
YELL "FUCK GOD" . THEN I RAN FOR
COVER, WAITING TO BE STRUCK DOWN
BY A LIGHTNING BOLT
. MAYBE BEING
ABLE TO SAY "FUCK REAGAN" IS A '
VERY IMPORTANT FIRST LITTLE STEP.
MAYBE SOME OF THEM ARE JUST COPY-
CATTING, BUT MAYBE FOR A LOT OF
THEM THAT'S SIGNALING A BEGINNING
TO THINK FOR THEMSELVES, TO
FIGHTING THEIR CONDITIONING.
S
: Well, all I can say is 'let's hope it is',
b ecause it's a trifle b oring
. Whenwe go
out of town andplay with 3 or 4 b ands'
andthey all sound'Coe same andpeople go
"huh?" tous
. . .We don't play b y people's
rules; we make our own. We don't kiss
people's asses, we don't 'preach tothe
converted' . What a waste of time! We've
had5 years of CRASS records, andwhat
have they toldme . . ."War is b ad." OK,
war is b ad
. Gee, I didn't know that . But
what comes after it. The point is, there's
noeasy answer . But I'm gladpeople find
us offensive anda challenge tothem,
b ecause it means we're doing something.
We want tomake people think. As long as
we canchallenge people, especially the
punks, thenwe're doing something
. As
soon as we b ecome accepted, nice and
safe, thenit's time toquit.
MIAMI/ FT LAUDERDALE-OK, here we go
again. Club news
: Rockin' Rob incloses,
owner disappears? Blitz goes CSW, Flynn's
still open
. New club s: Casb ah (Ft
. L),
another b iker b ar turnedHC for Weds.
niter andsoon weekends
. Art Stock's
Playpenhas 'Fuck the Beach' parties on
Sundays, b ut the only goodb ands tohave
playedhave b eenb anned
. One all-ages gig
at Amer. Legion Hall, another at U
. of
Miami
. Summers OnThe Beach b ooks X, no
prob lem with the show, b ut it's a shitty
'rock' b ar--touring b ands b eware!
Bandstuff: MORBID OPERA looses b oth
guitarists, b ut releases recordanyway.
They get new ones though (Elizab eth on
rhythm, Charlie Pickett on lead), sound
b etter anyway.
The ABUSERS reform with returnof Andy
Panic (b ass) andBob b y Bondage (vocals),
plus new memb ers . CHARLIE PICKETT
AND EGGS call it quits after last gig
opening for X
. New b ands: PSYCHO
DAISIES (great guitar noise), EXPRESSOS
(give em time), GENERIC DEATH (skate
thrash), FONZIE'S NEPHEWS . Oh, almost
forget, CRANK b reaks up b ut reforms with
same memb ers. D.A.M. (Don't Ask Me)
plays final gig as Don(b ass) joins Marine
reserves, b ut has plans for whenhe gets
out. BROKEN TALENT (U of M longhairs)
andGENERIC DEATH open
. GAY
COWBOYS IN BONDAGE cover the 'Beverly
Hillb illy's Theme' . Out-of-town, b ut still
Florida b ands include : BEYOND THERAPY,
SECTOR 4 (new EP), ROACH MOTEL,
VOODOO IDOLS, SECOND WIND, HATED
YOUTH, SLIME, andRAT CAFETERIA . If
I didn't mentionyour b and, write me and
b itch.
OK, here's the latest plug
: OpenBooks &
Records changes locationandare now at
44 NW 16 7 th St/ Miami FL 3 3 16 9/
(3 05)940-87 50
. They've b eenhaving free,
in-store, all-ages gigs
. Cool idea, cool
store! Thanks toTedandLeslie whonever
give up .
Drummer-of-month awardgoes toJohn
(stix) Galway, whois always inat least 3
b ands at a time
. Current ones are CRANK,
BOBS,
PSYCHO DAISIES, anda new, as
yet unnamedb and
. Whay ananimal!
Local andStatewide happenings
: Slamfest
'83 inGainesville, with several Fla b ands
andthe NECROS
. This was a total
fiasco. .
.I drive 8 hours, see some local
b ands, the PA fucks up 3 times, andwhen
the NECROS finally take the stage, some
fat asshole slams into the drum kit,
b reaking something crucial after only 3
songs, endof show
. Shit! Drive 8 more
hours b ack toMiami
. KRAUT andEFFIGIES
b oth cancel gigs at Flynn's
. Doesn't
anyone want toplay here? Please, if
your
b andis evenremotely interested, call or
write me andI'll domy b est.
By the way, I have a question for the
people whosaw the CIRCLE JERKS inFt
Lauderdale-- didyouall get your haircuts
andwristb ands the day of the show or
what? I've never seen7 5$ of youat any
kindof local show, andif you won't
support the scene, the scene won't
suuport you. Enough said.
Record, tape, andzine news : MORBID
OPERA releases 6 -song EP Jesus Loves
You, SoGive Us Your Money onSub lapse!
P .O.B. 6 10906 / N Miami FL 3 3 2 6 1 ($2 .50).
SECTOR 4 comes up with 5-song EP
Disc-Lexia. Write P.O.B. 102 3 4/
Tallahassee FL 3 2 3 02 . Both these b ands
appear, with others, onthe Fla comp EP,
We Can't HelpItIf We're From Florida,
availab le from Roach Motel/ 110 NW 3 9th
Ave #7 3 -A/ Gainesville FL 3 2 6 01 . On
cassette we have JukeBoxTape #1,
featuring everything from LARRY JOE
MILLER & ROCKABILLY ROCKETS to
CRANK. Also on a tape are the EAT'S
ScatteredWahooAction, a 14-songer that's
really funny! Both tapes are availab le from
Joe Harris/ c/ ojeterb oy/ 2 2 6 NE 5th Ave/
Dania FL 3 3 004 . Also, the GAY COWBOYS
tape is still avail c/ oEddie Nothing/ 6 2 90
NW 2 6 th St! Sunrise FL 3 3 3 13 .
Zines
: Sub urb anRelapse/ P.O.B. 6 10906 /
N Miami FL 3 3 2 6 1 . Destroy (same address
as comp EP) . KitchenSink News/ P.O.B.
492 7 / Ft Lauderdale FL 3 3 3 3 8. Skate
Force/ c/ oDon D.A
.M./ 6 2 3 7 SW 3 2 St/
i TuTramar FL 3 3 02 3 .
Well, that's ab out it till next time . . .Don't
just standthere, participate!
Denise/ 9801 SW 87 thSt/ Miami FL 3 3 17 3 .
P.S. I'dlike tothank all my new friends
for writing--keep it up! Special thanks to
Greg Link-write me! Photos b y Maria Daniel
MONTREAL "Salut!" (meaning "Hi there" in
French/ Canadian, promounced'sa-lu').
Montreal is totally unique! France on
vacation in North America
. Home of
Antartic Hardcore, Eskimoes, andmaple
syrup
. Alsohome for some of the b est
b ands ever . But don't ask for proof
. So
far there is little recordof our existence.
The trendinMontreal is
: form a b and, do
a show, b eak up (3 or 4 times), b ut b y all
means don't make a record. Even a tape
wouldb e unheardof.
A total undergroundscene startedhere in
'7 7 -'7 8, with the arrival of the
VIBRATORS andthe VILETONES playing
in the oldpart of the city
. Spanning early
b ands like the CHROMAZONES, the
ELECTRIC VOMIT, andthe NORMALS, who
no longer exist, it leads us to today's
popular thrash sounds.
W, .

CONTRE IOUS
P OLIC E
..
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u
Prob ab ly Montreal's b est known b andis
S .C.U.M., an anti-cop b andthat's b een
together just over 2 years. They've gone
through 2 drummers, a guitar player, and
3 singers, b ut are at last with a stab le
line-up andthings seem tob e going their
way . Hopefully, a recordwill come soon,
andwhenthe drummer gets off prob ation,
a U.S. tour
. Their first drummer is now a
cop, their other guitar player, Michel, is
now with the UNRULED (b y way of
ZYKLON B), andtheir secondsinger is
now with NO POLICY, formerly THE
FUNDS OVER
. They are alsoa great skate
b and--look out J.F .A. andAGRESSION.
C.e.U.:M...
The NILS are one of Montreal's finest,
cleanest b ands, playing original
DILS-influencedmusic
. They are tight,
loud, andfast, andhave a cassette
availab le through A.P.B. (a Montreal
zine) . They also have 1 song on the
forthcoming BYO comp LP
. They've b een
together for over 3 years, anduntil
recently were a 3 piece . They've added
former UNRULED guitarist Karim, and
their soundis full andfun
. It shouldn't
take long for people out there toknow who
the NILS are
. Super potential.
The DISCORDS are one of Montreal's first
punk b ands, anddefinitely the first skin
b and, not tomention the first local b and
to have vinyl
. 3 first places for the
DISCORDS, a total success story.
Actually, since b eing together they've had
a tough time staying out of jail, then
getting it together toplay every once ina
while . Their EP is a must for any skin/ Oi!
fan. Now defunkt, the b ass player did
play with Ottawa's CIVIL TERRY b riefly,
b ut left whenhe b roke his leg . Way togo
Henley!
UNRULED must b e the most popular local
b and, gaining momentum with every gig.
They play fast metal/ English-style thrash
(some say similar toDISCHARGE)
. Keep
your ears open for the UNRULED, as
they're on their thirddrummer right now
andhe seems tob e staying . He went from
GENESIS toHARDCORE inone week (is
this saying something for hardcore).
VOMIT & THE ZITS--"Oh no! A hardcore
soap opera!" A great name, huh? At first
they were ZYKLON B. For a while their
b ass player got zits, so they triedto
b ecome ZYKLON B & THE ZITS . But they
b roke up after their first gig b ecause
Blizz, the rock-star guitarist, smashedthe
videocassette they made b ecause he wasn't
onthe film whenhe climb edthe speakers
toshow off. He left the b andwith his
copyrightedsongs, of course. Make no
mistakes, Blizz is Montreal's ownBILLY
IDOL. ThenMarc Flagma of OXY $, joined
the group, keeping the ZITS andadding
VOMIT. He stayeda while andleft b ecause
the drummer hatedhim . SoStefan, the
b ass player, foundoldALLERGIC guitar
player Parker
. So they were re-united
once again as VOMIT & THE ZITS, still
playing OXY's songs (he's now inCalif in
search of Jello) . The ZITS have now

b rokenup again
. Stefanis now with Blizz
again, making it ZYKLON
B #3 00 (really,
the Blizz all-star show) . They have a
recordwith dub b edinaudience applause.
Blizz--please gorock-- there's noroom for

"stars" in the haore sky! Dave Javex,

singer throughout all this, is now strung

out on ty in N.D.G. WARNING: playing in
a b andcanb e hazardous toyour health!
NO POLICY is b y far the most original
b andin the city to date . They are
improving at an incredib le rate, having
b een in existence for less than a year.
Reb eka, the guitar player, makes guitars,
andFrancoof MDC was soimpressedhe
ordereda custom-made model
. She gets the
b est soundI've ever heardout of a
guitar
. Their song, "Swamp Pig" is a cult
classic! People gomental whenthis song is
played--it causes a chemical reactioninthe
b ody andyou findyourself skanking
aroundthe room inslow, circular motions.
It incorporates a hypnotic harmonica that
really does the job
. It took them a Icing
time tofinda real b ass player, andnow
Dennis is that person
. Ron, andhis
b rother Stuart (the drummer) are known
as Johnstone & Johnstone (the Tylenol
Twins)
. Their logois a thrashing penguin,
andtheir theme is "Antarctic hardcore
music for thinking people"
. If you ever
get a chance tosee them, you'll b e glad
youdid.
The ABSURDS are a goodoriginal b and
with a great anti-acidrain song called
"Shriveling In The Rain", plus a real hit
"It Makes Us Sick ." their a very new
5-piece that play 'different music for
different people' . No b ig gigs yet, b ut
hopefully soon. They are perhaps tob e
featured, along with most of the other
b ands mentionedhere, ona Montreal comp
LP
. Reb eka usedto play with the
CIVILIANS, an early punk rip-off b and
(R
.I .P.).
FAIR WARNING are a new b andwith some
very original, very fast Boston-type
thrash songs. They are very
loose, with
the emphasis on fun, not on style and
sound.
GASSEN HOWER are another b andfrom
N .D
.G
., andare a skin/ Oi! group
. Sofar
they've just done cheap cassettes anda
couple of unknown gigs. They have a
good, cleansound, andare pretty full for
a 3 -piece. They're almost serious . More
support for the newer b ands; they need
it!
OUT OF STEP are yet another new b and,
still unsurfaced, andnob ody knows
anything ab out them they play fast and
use the oldUNRULED drummer toprovide
the b eat . There must b e something there
for a gooddrummer like that toplay with
them.
Bands that no longer exist (too b ad):
EAST END KIDS, ALLERGIC, TERRY
FOX'S RIGHT LEG, GUTTERSNIPE,
BRAINCELL, MY DOG POPPER.
Bands that want to exist: ZYKLON B,
BERUIT BODY BAGS, the CHEEZE HEADS,
VIOLENT RELEASE . There are lots of less
'official' b ands aroundstill with no
name--some have mohawks, some canplay,
andsome candrink . Sometimes whenthey
get together there is troub le . Sometimes
the police arrive. But no one cares,
b ecause there will always b e a Montreal
scene andlots of goodMontreal music.
For more Montreal true facts write to:
A.P.B
. fanzine/ 52 5 Sherb rooke St East
#15/ Montreal Que/ Canada H2 L 1K2
P.S. Last respects toMINOR THREAT,
Montreal's favorite b and.
12"-7 song, $5
.00 post
paid, fr om Ne w Age Re cor ds
1585 N.Hi gh St.
Columbus, O h . 4 3 2 01
NEW
AG E
VANCOUVER-Lame-couver? Not toomuch " HOUSE OF COMMONS
happening

lately.

Seems that every

out-of-townb andwhohas come through
here has b een disappointed. There's
always a goodturnout, b ut anincredib ly
lame crowdit is at that. . .except for a
small b unch of incredib ly devotedguys
whoalways try desperately tokeep the
b andgoing until the end. Of course things
are much different whenD.O.A. hits the
stage . Thenit's time for all goodb oys and
girls togoout andplay "punk rock" and
kill each other. Oh well. ..
Of course, everyone hears ab out our
oldest andmost widely known b and:
D .O.A. Their "General Strike/ That's Life"
7 " has b een out for a while now, as has
BloodiedBut Unb owedLP, a retrospective
look at D.O.A.'s 5 years
. .
.The HOUSE OF
COMMONS 12 " is finally out after many
delays . They've b een doing a fair amount phob y
of gigging andhave workedup a fair Eric
sizedfollowing . . .SHANGHAI DOG aren't Thorkelsson
exactly a "hardcore" b and, b ut their 7 " Dean
will b e releasedsoon. They feature ex- Attridge
memb ers of such Vancouver b ands as
SUBHUMANS, YOUNG CANADIANS, and
SOLDIERS OF SPORT. . .APOSTASY have
b een out of commission for a while, b ut
are going againwith a secondguitarist to
q
b eef up their metal/ thrash sounda la
METALLICA, DISCHARGE, PERSONALITY
CRISIS. They've progresseda lot musically
andlyrically since their Pseudo-Punks

4
cassette,

and

will

b e

recording
soon. . .UNNATURAL SILENCE from
Penticonhave b eendefunct for some time.
But don't miss out ontheir killer 2 0 song
tape . Chael andKeith have movedt
Vancouver andwill b e starting a new
b and, MANIFEST DESTINY . . .alsoaround
are THE BILL OF RIGHTS, F.O.A.D.,
FITZ, andDEATH SENTENCE.
Well, that's it! Until next time . ..
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RE O RDS
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LEEDS-As having only recently moved
here, the result of a very stale punk
scene inLiverpool, I findthis city a 100$
improvement . Incredib ly, I suffer noab use
like I was endlessly inLiverpool . It seems
inLeeds that the scallies (rednecks) are
much more interestedinminding their own
b usiness thaneveryb ody else's. I canwalk
downthe street onmy own, without fear
of someone ab using me verb ally or
physically! When I livedin Liverpool, it
got tothe stage where I was evenafraid
togoout of the house sometimes.
Well, ontothe scene inLeeds . There are
regulare gigs, b oth at venues andD.I .Y.
shows . There is a large proportion of
vegetarian- peaceful type punx, andI
haven't seen a fight at a gig in ages
(considering I've b een to see over a
hundredb ands this year), that's good. I
b elieve the reason for this must b e
b ecause more punx are using their heads
andthinking ..
The b ands aroundLeeds I know of are:
ABRASIVE WHEELS (whodon't play around
very

often),

CHUMBAWAMBA,
INSTIGATORS, PASSION KILLERS, 2
MINUTES OF HATE (peace-type b ands,
musically andlyrically very influencedb y
CRASS-not that that's such a b adthing.
Also, the latter b andrecently split due to
their female singer going off toschool).
Then there's ANTI SYSTEM (whocome
from nearb y Bradford. They have a
prob lem inthat their singer, Liam, has to
rest his ears for a while due to noise
damage).
The gigs that have b een on in Leeds
lately-- there's b een a lot! I saw GBH,
ENGLISH DOGS, andSUBTERFUGE. GBH
were the same oldb and, haven't changed
much, still churning out the sexist songs,
b ut they didhave a couple of catchy new
numb ers off their soon- to-b e-released2 nd
LP . I much preferredtheir support act,
ENGLISH DOGS, whowere very
powerful,
much improvedsince last year
. Their
singer is called"Walrus", andlooks like
one (only joking!) . SUBTERFUGE were
OK, b ut toometalish andslow .
Recently went to a D
.I .Y. gig in
Nottingham, put onb y our oldfriendDig.
Only one poundto get in, anda good
assortment of b ands tosee
. I witnessed
the MAU MAUS for the first time, and
b elieve me, they're anamazing b andtosee
live! so tight, fast, perfect, really
amazing! They got everyone moving, going
crazy to'em! They've got anLP out soon
onPax
. I consider them tob e more like a
U .S
. thrash b andthan a lot of the other
fast b ands over here
. Also, on that night
were VERBAL WARNING, with our friend
KaIv playing b ass for them! Didn't think
they were fast enough though! But they
are firm b elievers inthe anti-punk image
TI-Wt a lot of U.S
. punx b elieve inas well.
1 respect them for that
. RUDIMENTARY
PEN! andNAPALM DEATH are like that
too, the only 3 b ands I've seen in the
U.K
. that don't dress tofit the image or
look the art!
OMEGA TRIBE andANTHRAXwere
supposedtoplay that evening, b ut didn't
show . ANTISECT played, b ut weren't up
totheir usual standard
. Another b andthat
playedwere the XPOZEZ, whoI didn't like
that much
. LEGION OF PARASITES
opened, b ut I missedthem unfortunately.
INSTIGATORS were quite good, pretty
fast, with originality
. Their deb ut is out
onBluurg soon.
Most of the local gigs are at a club called
Brannigans
. They have a punk night on
Wednesdays, andmost of the b igger type
b ands play (G.B.H., UK SUBS,
EXPLOITED), with local b ands sometimes
supporting . The goodthing ab out this
club are the low admission prices, with
discounts for us poor unfortunates onthe
dole . Andthere's nob ig heavy b ouncers
trying topush you off the stage or b eat
youup . Andas I said, I've only once
seen a fight here . The punx aren't into
destroying things, well most of us aren't,
cos we don't want tolose our venues! The
only thing vandalizedis loads of graffiti
over the b athrooms, b ut that's
harmless--paint it over! We hardly ever
have the police coming togigs toclose 'em
down. I haven't b eenpickedup once b y a
policemanhere . WhenI livedinAustralia,
I usedto get pickedup, chargedwith
b eing intoxicated(andI'm straight edge!),
searched, calleda slag, etc. The police
here don't carry guns either
. But I do
think the lads get a lot more hassle than
us girls.
Another goodb andI hadthe opportunity
to see at Brannigan's are the CULT
MANIAX
. This b andis very powerful,
original songs, different to any other
b and! I think they come from Devon.
Their new LP is out now, andthough I
haven't heardit yet, if their 3 EPs are
anything to go b y. . . . The only thing I
don't like ab out this b andis their lyrics
onsome songs ab out b lack magic . I hear
they're heavily intodevil worship! Pity!
that's more or less along the lines of the
heavy metal type b ands.
One other up-and-coming b andI must
mention are BROKEN BONES
. From
Stoke-On-Trent, home of England's'
hardcore heroes, DISCHARGE, andrightly
so, b ecause BROKEN BONES is the
"Bones" (ex-DISCHARGE new, well not so
new) b and. Also in the b andis his
b rother (who plays b ass, I think), who
was DISCHARGE's first drummer
. Their
vinyl deb ut 7 " is out now on Scarlet
Records
. That will definitelt b e worth
sampling! I saw them in London, and
they're excellent.
The other Week I heardthe new
EXPLOITED were playing Brannigan's . I
usedtodislike them b ecause Wattle was
such a narrow-minded, pro-violence
person
. well, when I heardthey had
changed, andthe b andhada completely
new line-up (2 vegetarians even!), and
was onthe Pax lab el now, I thought "this
is worth investigating ." Having recently
acquiredtheir new 7 ", RivalLeaders, I
thought tomyself "ah, they're a changed
b and. Pacifist thrash, what more couldone
want"
. SoI went along, paidmy admission
(rip off!) andwitnessedwhat I thought
wouldb e a changedWattle . b ut to my
dismay, he hasn't changedin the
slightest, he still slags off other b ands,
calls them 'wankers', they still do"Fuck a
Mod" and"Fuck the U.S.A.", he still spits
oneveryone . They didonly 3 new thrash
songs, all the rest were the oldrub b ish.
Well, I won't b e b uying their new LP,
eventhough it's supposedtob e good. I
mean, I can't like a b andif they've got
the b rainless "I hate all the other b ands
b etter than ours" attitude
. They were
even selling t-shirts that night with a
Pusheaddesignon. I b et Pusheaddidn't
authorize them! (That's correct-Ed
.) Wattle
wouldn't b e the type toask someone if
they canuse their designnow wouldhe?
All I can say, I've got b etter things to
spendmy money on.
Love, Kim Mullan
Dear MRR,
So here's the new EXPLOITED
alb um . . .andyes, it's strange tohave them
onthe Pax lab el.
Three years ago, I b eganputting on
gigs at the Marples inSheffield, just when
punk was taking off for the secondtime
andnoone else wouldtouch punk groups.
Sheffieldis the thirdlargest city in the
U.K. It has alsob eenmore affectedthan
many other urb anareas as it previously
gainedits wealth andemployment from coal
mines andsteel works-- twoof the hardest
hit areas inthe recession. This culminated
in a huge andsudden drop in the
standardof living, andall the social
upheavals that encourages . Andinsuch an
environment, it is easy to b reed
discontent, andit was natural that the
extreme political parties wouldrecruit
amongst youngsters . There grew up a
large National Front following, anda
notorious skin-headprob lem.
Sob ack tothese gigs . I wouldhave
some groups on; CRASS one week and
EXPLOITED the next---FLUXandPOISON
GIRLS, andthe 4 SKINS . Was I supposed
tosegregate the audience andonly allow in
those whose politics I agreedwith?
Bollox--I let EVERYONE in, andtook a few
shitty slatings indoing so. If you are not
against them, youare for them--was the
usual criticism leveledat me .
I never hadany b ouncers : just me at
the tope the stairs, talking toeach and
every kidas they came in. Sowhat if they
were out andout fascists? I preferedto
have them inside where they hadgivenme
their wordthat I wouldn't have any
troub le, thantohave them hanging around
outside, feeling resentful andready to
b eat up the other kids as they left
. And
for 2 years it worked. Not once didI have
any troub le at all at one of my gigs
. And
it workedinother ways too
. Many of those
kids realizedthey hadb eenconnedb y the
political extremists, andeventually turned
into thoughtful andradically different
kids. At a gig a year ago, I felt something
slippedintomy pocket, andfishing it out,
I founda ring . Turning around, this
skinheadsaidwith some emb arrassment,
that it was just a tokenof his appreciation
for what I haddone for him. He was
telling me that he now hadb lack friends.
Sheffieldis now known throughout
the country as having a marvelous
atmosphere at gigs, where skins and
punks mix without troub le . Inone of your
issues M.D.C
. even pointedthat out
(which made me feel very proud, even
though I wasn't inany way implicated)
. I
am very happy anddownright proudof the
kids inSheffieldb ecause they pavedthe
way andshowedthat such a mixture of
cultures couldco-exist inharmony.
ob scenities towards the E PLOITE', which
they deserve, or tell youtob oycott, slag,
etc . onthe EXPLOITED. But youhave an
intelligent mindandyou can make your
own decisions, plus it's not my place to
tell you what todofor vengeance . But
what is b eing saidis "protect your rights"
no matter what it is you are
creating
:music, art, literature, etc. For it
is soeasy for someone tosteal it and
pocket a small fortune, while youstarve.
If someone steals your freedom away from
you, what doyou do? Sit there andlet
It is the same concept that I have for
releasing the EXPLOITED onthe lab el . .)
couldcontinue torelease groups like the
MAU MAUS andANTI SYSTEM. .b ut we
reach the same convertedaudience every
time . Now that the EXPLOITED have
decent lyrics, andthe group has largely
changedits attitude, tohave some of their
moronic followers get intothe lyrics would
b e reaching new people, andmayb e some
of them will change
. I'm not saying that
will happenovernight, b ut evenif it has a
little impact, then it is validtorelease it.
WhenI am alone with Wattie we play chess
andtalk seriously
. When he is in an
environment which expects him to b e
moronic, he plays up toit . I have seenit
happensomany times.
I know how stupidthat is, b ut
Wattie, I have discovered, is incredib ly
insecure, andhaving b eentothe area he
lives in andwas b rought up in, this
notoriety he has is all he has. That is his
whole reasonfor b eing, andonce the punk
days are over for him, he will prob ab ly
return to that environment andthat
mentality.
However, this is all getting a b it
deep, soI shall finish andlet you listen
to the alb um. I think that not only
lyrically, b ut alsomusically, you will find
animprovement.
Marcus Pax Records
them?? I wouldappreciate if said
representatives of the EXPLOITED and/ or
Pax Records contactedme for their
infringement of my art andpersonal
rights. You took matters into your own
hands ; now pay for your violation.
Hey EXPLOITED! Stealing artwork is
like stealing music. You're using my art to
sell your product
; I suppose you won't
mindif I b ootleggedyour music and
pocketedall the profit? What goes for one,
goes for the other.
Pushead/ 2 7 13 Kerr/ Boise Is 83 7 05
T O X I C SH O C K
C
,
?E C O L d!
7 14) 86 5-2 088
90X 242 P O M O N A C A 91 7 6 9
Readers of MRR,
Hi! Pusheadhere . Seems like a
certain b andnamedthe EXPLOITED,
y'know Wattie andthe b oyz, have foundit
totheir advantage toab use my rights in
the artworkworld. Yes, that's right, the
of "use it, fuck getting permission" rap.
So first it's usedas their recordlab el,
then t-shirts, now the cover of their
current LP. I guess this is their "punk"
thing to do?? But what ab out this
"Pushead" whodrew it?? Noone ever
contactedShawnSternof the B.Y .O. (who
the piece was drawnfor) or myself toeven
say they were interestedor likedthe
illustration. But tomy surprise andanger,
they are using it to sell their newly
packagedproduct. For one, this is not
fair to the people who wish to use my
artwork, for fear that someone else could
b orrow it for profit in mega quantities,
andsince the initial piece is drawntomeet
a certain mind's creativity tograce their
venture, this devalues their trust . Numb er
two, it's an excellent example of "Let's
work together inunity, sothat the greed
of saidindividuals/ groups cansteal ab ility
tomake their profitab le gainintheir quest
for the top as they b elittle those whowork
hardandtake little reward. Anarchy; I
guess this is the EXPLOITED's versionof
it
.
So, the EXPLOITED are facedwith a
guilty charge; youcan't b ullshit your way
out of this one gang . Soa retraction is
due tome andquickly. This release is on
Pax Records, whohave put out quality
releases, andI hope this i; rtgt .w~~t we
have toexpect from them inthe future, or
anyone else! But thenPax prob ab ly never
knew .
What does this meantoyou?? Well, I
couldsit here a.idrantically scratch down
T his innoce nt , fur r y lit t le cr it t e r , and
t housands of ot he r s like him, is be ing
for ce d t o list e n t o F .U .'s r e cor ds by
he ar t le ss, sadist ic "r e se ar che r s", all
in t he name of "scie nce " . You can put a
st op t o t he ir agony by buying up t he sup-
ply of t he se t or t ur ous slabs of vinyl:
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150 DM, that can't b e prevented. Sothey
want

to

show

their

anti-commercial
attitude, which didn't b ecome clear with
their

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LP,

released

on

ARP
(Aggressive Rock Produktionen), the lab el
of Walterb ach.

He producedseveral
records of Germangroups, b ut he's also
trying

to

connect

the

international
hardcore scenes, e
.g . the
UndergroundHits sampler with American
andGermanparticipation. Numb er twowill'
follow
. He also released
Everything Went Black months b efore SS
did, the ANGRY SAMOANS LP andthe
BAD BRAINS LP. I think you can get the
new MISFITS LP from him, too. Youcan't
survey the whole BerlinScene b ecause
punks are coming andgoing to/ from West
Germany . If you live in Berlin, you don't
have tojointhe army . HALSABSCHNEIDER
dida self-producedEP with another b and
(not punk), andthey just want toplay in
Berlin. A recess is planned, the singer is
moving to Frankfurt andthe guitarist
wants togotoTanzania tob ring some help
tothe people there . Other groups are DIE
XRZTE, FRAU SUURBIER andDTJ
(Deutsche Trinker Jugend) who sing
emb arrassing songs ab out alcohol and
getting drunk . Alcohol is one of the main
prob lems inGermany . Life is so b oring
that we needsomething todrink totur
us on, mostly b eer
. Fanzines inBerlinare
TESTAMENT, WURG, ASSASSIN, and
FITMACHER
. ScreenandVinyl Boogie are
recordshops andlab els. Screenproduced
EP's from SOILENT GRON andSICK
PLEASURE

(b oth

from Berlin)

and
HARNRZJHRER (M()nchen) . A Sampler is
plannedof GermanBands for
1985.
Hamb urg is the center of Germany's north.
Ab out 40 or 50 b ands are active at the
moment, andSLIME is one of the b est
knowninGermany. They didtheir third
recordnow andthey're still together,
contrary toall the rumors
. Their first LP
(English on one side, German on th-
other) sold13 ,000 copies despite b eing
forb iddenb y pub lic prosecution, like one
of their more radical songs, "Polizei, SA,
SS" onARP's Soundtracks zum Untergang
compilation. Also from -Hamb urg is
NAPALM. After the drummer andthe
vocalist went to the USA to form
GENICKSCHUSZ, the other twotriedtogo
on with Stephan on drums
. His former
b and, the BUTTOCKS, took the b ass
player from RAZORS, b ut they don't do
shows at present, nor dothey have any
records. Nevertheless, it's fine to see
them b ack inthe scene after their seeming
b reak-

up .

Other

b ands

are
SS-ULTRABRUTAL (New LP on Weird
System), E 6 05,
PLATZANGST,
KNALLSCHOTEN (Planning Singles), KOMA
KOMBO, RAllIA (New LP), HH-MILCH,
OXENSCWANZ, MONDIAL (These b ands
were alf onthe Waterkant- Hits sampler
from Hamb urg's WeirdSystem lab el
. No. 2
is planned
.), GROBER UNFUG,
PUNKENSTEIN, HERRMANS ORGIE (All
with singles), FIXIE JUNGS, CORONERS
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Before youreadthis article ab out the West
Germanscene, youhave toknow that it's
hardly possib le tointroduce Germany on
the whole . Its size is ab out the same as
California, b ut its populationis three times
as large, andinalmost every townthere
are punks or b ands (though here in
Rtisselsheim there aren't many) . I don't
like tostart inthe past, inmy opinionit's
the here andnow that counts, b ut it's
necessary toshow the developement.
Like most countries, Germany was touched
b y punk in7 6 / 7 7 . The kids readab out it
innewspapers or mags, heardit from some
whowere in England, or they met/ saw
English punks whocame toGermany. It's
clear that the b igger cities (especially
BerlinandHamb urg) were touchedat first
b y this "Everyb ody- can-do-it" feeling.
Suddenly it didn't matter if youcouldplay
aninstrument or not, the mainthing was
tohave a statement andtob e original . In
this time, punk andthe so- called"New
GermanWave" were . inseparab le
. Dilettante
music from EINSTRZENDE NEUBAUTEN
I
was as popul ar as el ectroni c musi c from
DER PLAN or the roughgui tar sound of
MITTAGSPAUSE
. Soon i t was known that
you coul d make cashfromthat musi c, and
groups were bui l t especi al l y for that . They
had/have strange/funny names and
sensel ess l yri cs and were cel ebrated by
thei r ki d-fans
. The answer had to be the
total separati on between thi s and punk.
Groups whi chtri ed to i ncl ude bothcame
involuntarily into a conflict with
themselves, b roke up or chose just one
direction. ABWARTS, one of the first punk
groups, tries still toconnect elementary
punk with anend-of-the-worldmoodand
strange lyrics, b ut the punks think that
they're tooprofessional. Sotheir second
LP wasn't a great success, andyoudon't
hear anything ab out them now
. The
reputation of German punk is not that
good, it was mostly slow andsimple, b ut I
hope that this is a fact of the past. Times
of incapab ility andcareless lyrics should
b e over . Think ab out your ownopinion!
Berlin is Germany's most radical city.
There are ab out 6 00 to 800 punks, a lot of
fascist skinheads (Berlin is the city with
the largest Turkish population) anda lot
of anarchists/ hippies (must not b e the
same) whosquat houses . Possib ilities for
groups to play gigs are Kob , Kuckuc,
(SquattedHouses) or the KZ3 6 where K.
U
. Walterb ach workedfor several years.
He andsome others producedtwosamplers
calledKZ3 6 I & II . On therm were
important groups like IXTOC-1 (they dida
12 "), STROMSPERRE, one of the first an-1
fastest groups, whoare not playing at the
moment and

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RAPE, they didanEP cal ed"Hurra, wir
verb loden" . From Wilhelmshavenare DIE
REGEL andNOTAUSGANG. From Achim is
KND, from Neumunster CUKLON (They did
a tape which is not so fast b ut good
hardcore . I heardthey b roke up) . From
Flensb urg comes SS 2 0, from VerdenOH
87 whohave put out an EP b ut stopped
playing
. The MIMMIS are from Bremen.
They dida single with a funny soccer
chant anda tape . They do a kindof
funny-punk, nohardcore . Alsofrom there
are VOLDSABSTIMMUNG andAOK, and
from the sub urb s NORMKINDER,
KOR-BOOTS, andKAMPFGASBAND.
Tapes are an expedient form of
communicationinthe scene
. Bands can
easily present their music to a whole
b unch of people, even in foreign
ountries. To do a tape means to b e
independent of recordcompanies and
minimum editions (youonly needtorecord
as many tapes as are needed) . the
MANIACS (so- calledafter PETER AND
THE TEST-TUBE BABIES' "Maniac") from
Rotenb urg triedto put out an EP, b ut
money frustratedit. So they didtheir
secondtape, "GermanTanks" . But tapes
.re not just made through b ands, some
eople did"tape-zines", mostly reports
and

introductions ab out

b ands and
ecords/ tapes, hardly punk, b ut new
ave . Such a thing covering
ardcore/ punk wouldb e a nice thing, the
Band-it" startedit with reports and
interviews

from

some

b ands .

The
disadvantage of taping is that people think
recordis more serious thana tape, and
b andcouldn't b e as successful as with
.n EP/ LP to show, andto say : "Hey,
e're cool, we dida record
. Not
everyb ody candoa record!"
Hannover - the city in which the
ationwide meeting b etween punks and
kins was heldtwice, onDec. 18th '82 and
my 1st '83 . Insteadof solidarity and
ighting against the police as planned, to
'emonstrate that punk isn't deadandto
rotest against the "punk-card- index" (In
Hannover, all punks andskins were
egisteredb y the police for b etter
ontrol), the kids harassedeach other.
he ab sence of unity andmindless violence
gainst passers- b y were the reasons the
cops were ab le toarrest several punks and
skins (the papers wrote something ab out
1
00 " r ocke r s " un de r ar r e s t ) an dt o s mas h
pt he me e t in g
. I t s e e ms impos s ible t o
n it e us , n ow or in t he fut ur e . D A I L Y
E R R O R fr omB r aus chw e ig playe dat t his
me e t in g , but e ve n t he ir appe als for un it y
idn ot impr e s s t he kids
. T he ir s e con dL P
ill b; out in J. n uar on . R P . W 't ht he ir
erpetual recordpu
.licationan. lots o
shows through Germany, they going tob e
one of the b est knownb ands here
. Other
b ands from Braunschweig are the SLUTS
(They dida recordon ARP, b ut they
b roke up) andKANALRATTED, b ut I don't
know anything ab out them, I was never
there . I was toldthat the scene there is
very savage, at shows people with club s
gothrough the audience with the purpose
tohit everyb ody looking like a punk.
Back to Hannover, you can find
Frostschutz Records
. KLISCHEE ('7 7 -style)
andBOSKOPS (great thrash) didLP's with
them. Both b ands contain memb ers of
BLITZKRIEG, Hannover's first punk b and.
They didanEP with 9songs, are onsome
compilations andmade a tape b efore
b reaking up.
NOTDURFT is also one of the grea
numb er of b ands onARP, sotheir LP may
not b e as satisfying as their celeb rated
shows . Other b ands from NOTDURFT's
home townare ZZZ HACKER, having a
thrashy/ chaotic EP intheir favor, INGRID
ASTOR (b roke up), andALICE D.
NEUROTIC ARSEHOLES andPHALLIC
SYMBOLS are from Minden, the first ones
releasedtheir b randnew recordat -yes,
you're right- ARP. It's not non-stop
thrash, there are some reggae-cuts and
some songs the b andcalls "New Wave".
Now there's the territory called
"Ruhrpott"
. Its in the middle of Germany
anda consolidation b etween 3 2 cities,
b asedonthe gigantic coal- founds inthis
district
. From Bottrop are the UPRIGHT
CITIZENS
. They made a 12 " which they
soldwith great success, andtheir LP is
out now. The explanationof their English
lyrics (which are great) is simple
: they fit
inthe music
. Live they're a gooddeal,
b ut there records are "tame", fast, b ut
not wild. Another b andon their lab el,
H'Art, from Bochum is OUT OF ORDER.
Alsosinging in English, they dosloppy
punk andpieces of thrash ontheir record,
which was releasedseveral months ago
. An
organmade some songs soundstrange
From Duisb urg are ARTLESS and
KANZLERS. BLUTTAT are going tob e one
of the top hardcore b ands in Germany.
Their 12 " was a great release, b ut the
quality of soundwas not that good. Thei
new LP, coming out inDecemb er, will b e
calledKululeko(means Lib erty) . Their
first recordwas
Ina LandCalledSouth Africa
. The b ass
player was there for twomonths, andmad-
a film ab out the apartheidwith some
others
. They share their practice space
with twoother b ands, VIXSUPPLEXand
SooR.
NIKOTEENS
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NORMAHL
H
ERBARO
S
Dav ; rf of
SICK PLEASURE,
andGrandma!
I
aufb euren
. Their LP is a thrashing ,
attack, andthey're one of the fastes
Germanb ands
Egoldt producedmy b andtoo, M
.A.F.!
That was in May, andnow the recordis
out, b ut what a surprise! We had
criticizedEgoldt, andthe way our record
was produced, in a fanzine
. He got
revenge onus . Our cover was changedb y
him, andmade it look foolish andchildish.
He alsore-mixedthe record, making it
soundb ad. On the b ack, we thanked
Rock-O-Rama--funny
joke! Our pay--100
records, which weren't evensent tous
. I
think we have togotoKolntoget them.
Please, don't b uy our record
. Sendme a
tape andI'TI recordyouother stuff b y us.
TOTAL VERSCHIMMELT was released
simultaneously with ours, andthere's a
Pusheaddrawing on it
. But I haven't
heardit yet
. Egoldt alsoproducedthe
English b ands SKEPTIXandINSANE.
Animportant place for shows here is the
Stollwerk, an oldfactory (the BAD
BRAINS playedthere).
CANALTERROR are from Bonn. They
recorded3 tracks for the Sondtracks
comp#2 , thenmade their ownLP, ZuSpat,
onARP
. An EP is planned. The new
drummer was the oldb ass player of
TOXOPLASMA. With their LP onARP, they
made their way tothe top here
. They tour
a lot inGermany, having playedBerlin7 -8
times
. I don't know if it's true that they
threatenedWalterb ach from ARP if he came
toa show (he didn't) b ecause he refused
topay them after selling 7 000 records.
From

Limb urg

is

ZUNDELLANDER
(ex-SKROTUM),

with

their

slogan
'hardcore andfun'.
Russelsheim is the townI live in. Besides
M.A.F., which I can't b e ob jective ab out,
there's

DAS

ELEND,

an

anti-fascist
skinheadb andsinging English and
German, whoplay from punk tohyper-fast
thrash. SCHWEINEPEST are wonderful
thrashers, whoI think are making anLP
entitledW.H.Y
. (We Hate You) . They do
more chaotic, '7 7 garage punk, although
they're a b randnew b and. Nothing more
happens here . Punks? No, just some
skins.
Frankfurt is the next b iggest scene . Years
ago a lot of punks were there, b ut
nowadays they've changedintoskins
Many of them are fascist, b ut some of them
are alright
. BOHSE ONKELZ are more
fascist type of skinb and, who've done a
lame (musically andlyrically) record.
KILLERPRALINEN were calledMIDDLE
CLASS FANTASIES. I don't know why they
changedtheir name, b ut they're pretty
good, anddidan EP, andLP at ARP. !
think a new 45 will b e coming out too.
DER DURSTIGE MANN is the thirdb and
here . They've done 2 EP's, b ut I think'
they're too chaotic. Other locals are
VOLKSFRNT,

SPORTSGR0UP,

IE
Dusseldorf, calle the "fashion town" b y
TOTEN HOSEN, has a scene as oldas
Hamb urg or Berlin. Punk and"Art Music"
are still comb ined, not as extreme as years
b efore, b ut the pure hardcore can't b e
found. TOTENHOSEN arose from ZK, one
of the oldest andmost original punk
b ands . They do funny shows like their
predecessors andthey've several hits
which were successful onradioandTV(!).
They're not political andnot tooserious,
youcancall them a real teenage b and. I
like them nevertheless. Another popular,
andmayb e the hardest/ fastest b andfrom
here is KFC. They've got the reputationof
b eing reckless anddrunkards . There were
often fights during their shows. They lit
up the concert hall in Osnab ruck b y
'
playing their songs twice as fast as on
heir records (single andLP) . Thenthey
split b ecause of personal prob lems, into
NIGHTS (pop), andthe new KFC. They're
still drunkards, didrecords on
Schallmauer, b ut the total energy of the
early days is gone . Youcan't call SYPH a
pure punk b andb ecause they're kindof
radical. On the first EP was picturedthe
b ab y carriage which was usedb y
terrorists to stop the car of the
industrialist H.M. Schleyer, b efore they
shot him . Onthe b ack cover was a photo
of the main terrorist in Germany and
leader of the R.A.F . (ChristianKlar, now
under arrest) . They printedthe cover in
Belgium, b ecause it was forb idden in
Germany . LUZIBAR arose from VD, who
have b eenreproachedfor copying TOTEN
HOSEN, which couldb e b ecause they're
from the same area. Monchengladb ach is
ear Dusseldorf, andb oth scenes are
sometimes connected. RANOLA features
musicians from b oth places. They play
fine, sometimes fast punk, b ut may b reak
up this year . EA 80 dida 5-song EP,
which lyrically impressedme, anda self-
producedLP is inthe works. 2 LIGA are a
b andof 12 -15 year oldkids, BASEMENT 2 1
andSEXTEENS (call them Oi!) are trying
to make a

record.

Fanzines

from
Dusseldorf are/ were Falschmelder, Mob ,
Schweinepest,

niveaulos,

Sesser

Als
Garnix, deutschlands, Ruhmeshalle,
Stumpf, Stohn. From monchengladb ach are
Kochb uch, Proll, Swindle Punx.
Kolnis the home of Rock-O-rama Records,
the secondb ig punk lab el in Germany
after ARP
. Herb ert Egoldt's first record
was a 45 b y VOMIT VISIONS. Then he
producedrecords b y the RAZORS, OHL
(the

most

sucessful

b and

on

the
lab el--unfortunately, their lyrics were
stupid. I've heardthey've split up after 3
LP's, a 12 ", andtwo45's), COTZBROKEN
(stupidb and, gladthey b roke up), DER
FLUCH (horror-punk with one guitar),
CHAOS Z, B
. TRUG from Kempten,
STROSSTRUPP (goodthrash), andlast b ut
not

-ast,

VORKRIE SPHASE

from
Hi! Here's some aditional informationon
Germany's scene
. My name is Karl-Heinz,
andI doa fanzine calledAnti-system and
play drums inthe SCAPEGOATS . I live in
the north of Germany, near Kiel.
I don't want towrite toomuch ab out old
punk, b ut there were some good
b ands--for example, CRETINS, AHEADS,
VOMIT VISIONS, CORONERS
. But they all
b roke up b ack in 1980
. Most of them
releasedat least a single, or a track on
some compliation. In1980 though, a b unch
of goodrecords were released. The
RAZORS from Hamb urg in the north
releasedtheir second45, followedb y an
LP . Alsofrom that area came BUTTOCKS,
SLIME, andCORONERS
. BUTTOCKS put
out an EP in 1980, anda secondone in
'81,
b oth great . It's shit that they b roke
up, as they were very popular, and
playedin Holland, Switzerland, andan
anti-fascist festival inBerlin
. I forgot to
mentionthat the RAZORS put out a third
EP, "Tommy's Gang", anda 12 " called
"BannedPunx", onone side featuring Lui,
the vocalist of NAPALM.
From Klausdorf come my b and,
SCAPEGOATS. We play fast hardcore
thrash. I was the singer of ANTI-POLICE,
later calledEXZESS . I left the b andin
'82 , andjoinedSCAPEGOATS as a
drummer. We're onthe new sampler tape
from Xcentric Noise
. Watch for it!
From Hannover come a b andcalled
PHALLUS . They also play thrash, like
BOSKOPS, alsoout of the same town.
They formedout of BLITZKRIEG (whohad
a goodEP) andthe ARISTOCRATS, who
b oth split in '82 . SoBOSKOPS have put
out a fucking goodLP with 2 2 tracks on
it . Very fast!
From Cologne come a new b andcalled
ZUNDELMONNER. I haven't heardthem
yet, b ut my mate says they soundlike a
cross b etween D.R.I . and
VORKRIEGSPHASE . They formedin '83 ,
andhave a female vocalist with a high
mohican.
KETZER, CSS (Cocks inStainedSatin),
WOHLSTANDSSCHADEN, PUBLIC
NUISANCE, AXS. Some didtapes, some
didconcerts, some didnothing! The
Batschkapp was a place where shows
happened, b ut after some quarrels the
owner refusedtolet punk b ands play.
Mainz andWeisb adenare cities near here.
I know some punks, b ut not many b ands.
AUSSCHUSSWARE are real funthough.
I've only got a 2 year oldtape of some
b ands there, andmany are experimental.
Stuttgart is the city Mulleimer Records
comes from . Thomas Ziegler recorded
several b ands, including the upcoming LP
b y SCHWEINEPEST . One of his b etter
b ands is CHAOS Z. Though they're not
ab le toplay at the moment, they put out
an EP andan LP, which was soldto
R-O-R. NORMAHL from Winnendenare
very diligent in pub lishing their music.
They startedin '7 7 , andafter their EP,
Stuttgart Ub er Alles, Ziegler produceda
b adsounding LP, andthen the b etter
sounding 12 " . Their new EP is now out,
andits got rough energy . They've played
ab out 150 times aroundGermany, at least
according tothem
. HERBARDS is a b rand
new skinb and, b ut I've not heardtheir
LP . Other b ands are ' TRIEBTATER,
CRASH, andTOTAL KAPUTT
. On the
Mulleimer comp LP Ultra Hardcore Power
appear a b andfrom Augsb urg called
INFERNO (along with CHAOS Z,
NORMAHL, HERBARDS, andBLUTTAT).
They're fast as hell, andplanning a
Canadiantour . Their LP will b e out soon.
Munchen (Munich), after Berlin, is the
b iggest city inGermany
. One of the first
records was Reifenwechsel Leicht Gemacht
comp, with ZSD andsome other unknown
punk andnon- punk b ands . ZSD didan
LP, b ut are mayb e b reaking up . I saw
them at a show in Mainz, where they
playedwith ROTE FRONT
. I don't know
why they're not b etter known, as they
really thrash. Other Bavarian b ands at
that show were SCHROTT and
LUSTFINGER, b oth of whom made EP's
Records were alsoput out b y SCUM 1984,
CONDOM,

FKK

STRANDWIXER

and
TOLLWUT . They finally b roke up, b ut the
main character is now with the
MARIONETZ
. They're a kindof famous an.
successful b andwhose soccer chant song,
"Heya, TSV" has b een playedat the
stadium . I don't consider their songs too
serious, as exemplifiedb y "I
' m A T-shirt"
VIETKONG are the new hope of Munich. . .;,
They've done a tape, openedfor the DEAD
KENNEDYS, andare planning a record.
There are some places todoshows, b ut
they're not easy toget. Fights b etwee
punks androckers, destruction, andt
much noise have made the owners prudent.
Fanzines are Blitz (not toogood) andAkt
der Verzweiflung (a very intelligent zine
with goodreports anda lot of fun).
I don't know what else towrite now . I
i+.
know I haven't mentionedall b ands and
scenes

in my

country,

b ut

it's a
(partially)

detailed

cross-section.

For
further information, write me at : Dirk
Christoph/ Georg-Treb er-Str . 7 0/ 6 09' ``
Russelsheim/ W Germany . Any b ands
forgottenor describ edwrong b y me, set it
right b y telling me
. Thanks to all the
people giving me help, andtohell wit y"1
everyb ody whorefusedit . There will b e
mor_ reor ' t the fut re . Than s!_
eh
r
Q
0
V IETKONG
From Leverkusencome
STROSSTRUP.
They formedin '81, and
appeared ona
sampler calledDie DeutscenKommenwith 3
goodtracks . Then in '83 they put out an
LP onRock-O-Rama.
From Neuwiedcome TOXOPLASMA
. They
put out one goodLP, andhad3 tracks on
the UndergroundHits comp LP. They're
very fast andvery raw, with goodlyrics.
Live, they're great!!!
A Berlin b andthat shouldb e mentioned
are the HONKAS
. They are a good, raw,
andfast b andwho've put out one EP. Also
from there are BETON COMBO, whohave
anEP andLP. They're not fast, b ut have
a goodsound
. They were alsoonthe KZ
3 6 sampler . Other b ands onthis recor~c
are STROMSPERE, VITAMIN A, ACTOSIN
PERVENS, IX-TOC- I, RUCKI ZUCKI,
STIMMUNGS KAPELLE, REFLEX,
BEGENWIND, andKAISER SCHNITT . Most
of them are fast andraw, b ut some have
b rokenup, like STROMSPERRE.
So, if you wouldlike my fanzine,
Anti-system, send$1
.50 . Youwill get a lot
of infoandphotos . Numb er 4 is out now,
andb ack issues are still availab le . Also,
we are looking for tapes from b ands all
over the world, especially from the U.S .,
toinclude inour sampler cassette . Sosend
us yours. Also, we distrib ute
VORKRIEGSPHASE's EP andLP. The LP
costs $9andthe EP $3
.50, which includes
postage andhandling
. Write us at:
Karl-Heinz Tolkmitl Kieb itzweg 4/ 2 3 00
Klausdorf-Schw/ W Germany.
Dear MRR,
Thanks for the article ab out the
punk/ skinmeeting inHanover, Germany . I
was there, andit was as horrib le as the
pictures made it look . The police were
b eating up everyb ody, literally, even
"normal" citizens or 13 year oldkids. I
was arrested, andthenb eatenup inmy
cell. It's like that all over Germany . If
you're meeting with some friends onthe
street, andtalk a b it loud, suddenly the
cops appear andarrest youfor "having a
riot"! Enough!!!
I wouldlike toget intouch with punks all
over the world, especially from San
Francisco, cause I'm planning on going
there next summer . And, if anyb ody is
planning tovisit Hamb urg, andneeds a
j place to stay, please write me . thaks,
frankie

Kuhl

(b ass

for

Boikottz) /
'M.riusweg : Hamb ur 7 0/ W G-rman
.
UNDERDOGS, andNUITS SAINT
GEORGES) . One of these b ands, SEXY
BOLLOCKS, releaseda 7 " EP, What's InA
Name!" onPunk Etc . Other b ands such as
SOD VAN TEPENWOORDIG have also
releaseda 45 of their own.
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The KIDS, STREETS, CHAINSAW,
X-PULSION, MAD VIRGINS. . .all b elong to
the history of Belguim's punk . Most of
those b ands are now defunkt, andaftet
197 8 there were hardly any more punk
releases . Only onthe new wave sampler LP
No Big Business were there any punk
songs, one b y SPERMICIDE (whoalsohad
anEP) andone b y the UNDERDOGS.
In1980-81, there were several post-punk
records which were interesting--RED
ZEBRA, DE BRASSERS, SIGLO XX, AA,
andthe STRUGGLERS all startedas punk
b ands, andremainedsoin spirit, even
whentheir music changed. But compared
toGermany or Holland, punk inBelguim
was always less of a phenomena.
Inthe b eginning of '83 , the first attempts
were made tochange this
. Punk Etc, the
first Belguin punk lab el, was set up b y
Dirk Michiels, a 2 3 -year oldcomputer
operator from Merchtern, near Brussels.
Their first release
was a C- 6 0 cassette
calledAlles Crachez, with 7 punk b ands
on a
(TYPHUS, VORTEX, OVEUX,
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Dirk Michiels producedandfinancedthese
releases . He alsoorganizeda few gigs with
several Belgianpunk b ands
. A new casette
is b eing released, SecondTime Around,
andwill
containmaterialb yMORE
ACTION, KRAUT, SUBVERSION, ZYKLOME
A, FIXATOR, andthe DIRTY SCUMS . Th
tracks soundamazing . Also, a doub l
A-side single will b e releasedonPunk Etc.
MORAL DEMOLITION andZYKLOME A will
b e producedb y R
. Beelen, the leading
post-punk producer.
As there are not a lot of Belguin punks
(only a few thousand), it is difficult to
sell many copies of punk records. We
wouldlike to get some support from
outside Belguim--letters, orders, tapes,
etc. Please write us at Punk Etc/
Mottestraat 12 / 187 0 Wolvertem/ Belguim.
Thanks . . .. JanDe Bonolt
C H A I N SA W
Hello. My name is Juan, andI'm from
Argentina. t just thought I'dlet you know
that there is a scene here, b ut as Rob ert
Pennie saidab out NorthernIrelandinMRR
#9, "it's fuck!!!" There's only one place
for gigs inBuenos Aires, a tiny b ar called
Julio's, that is sosmall that only half the
people that show up canget in. Plus, the
b ouncers are fucked. It alsocosts ab out
$8 toget in.
The punks are mostly "thick", andvery
violent . There is a rather severe drug
prob lem (glue, b ooze, heroin) . There are,
however, some great b ands
. MUERTE, LOS
FEOS, andLA BROMA are all great,
intense thrash b ands. PERRO COME
PERRO (Dog Eat Dog) are alsoexcellent
musically, b ut their "followers" are a
b unch of drunken, violent assholes.
GUERRA (War) are OK, more of a SEX
PISTOLS/ RAMONES type of b and. LOS
JODONES are a predominantly Germanskin
b and. They releaseda cheap 3 -song 45,
b ut it's crap Oil They're shit.
Most gigs are heldin houses. We can't
have squats b ecause the cops will b eat the
shit out of us, andit's grounds to b e
throwninjail for life (Argentina has b een
ruledb y a Right wing military junta) . The
scene is mostly Buenos Aires-b ased, b ut a
few smaller cities have b ands like
ESPASMODICOS (older type punk) and
DEMOCRATICA DE ARGENTINA (intense
thrash) . Anyway, if the scene ever gets
its ass off the ground, it couldb e a major
force inworldwide hardcore.
Anarchy, Peace, 8 Freedom----Juan
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It's me, Bivar, b ack, andquite uindeed,
although there is nothing too deep to
report
. I shouldb e honest andconfess
that it's a Decemb er Tuesday morning, my
b edis yet to b e made, andI'm a b it
stoned
. My cheap tape recorder is playing
the sounds of the Belgianscene, thanks to
Bart of Het Schandaal contingent. I must
also
confess that I'm a b it depressedthat I
don't have the money toanswer all the
worldwide letters andgifts I've received
since my address was printedinMRR
. All
the money has vanishedfrom us poor
Brazilians, topay our country's external
deb t, which I imagine will never b e
solved.
Never mindthe b ollocks, let's start over
again. 1983 was a b adyear for the
Brazilian scene, b ut things seem tob e
getting b etter now
. With the coming of the
summer b reezes, has also come that
romantic trilogy; Faith, Hope, and
Charity . Tob egin with, b y the time you
readthis we will have hada 2 day
punk/ hc festival, b ackedb y . .
.guess who?
Coca-Cola andLevi's, noless. I presume
that's very 19841
Well, let me start over yet again
. As I
reportedinMRR 6 , some very influential
menwhowent tothe First Punk Fest and
saw the positive side of it, convinced
those responsib le for offering the 17 parks
of SaoPaulotothe punks for free gigs,
hence the SecondPunk Fest
. Wordof
mouth has it that the "International 'a
attraction" may b e TERVEET KADET
o
(Brazilian punks have this passionate
o
affair with the Finnish scene, you see) . o
From OLHO SECO toRATOS DE PORAO,
15 b ands have b eencontactedtoplay, and
each canb ring guest b ands with them to
play
. The festival is b eing organizedb y
the Secretary of Culture, which is ruledo,
b y people from the Popular Democratic
o
Party, with the help of punks.
A par t fr om t hat , R A T O S D E
P O R A O an d
P SYK O ZE w e n t a lon g w ay up n or t hof
B r azil t o play in t he ult r a-t r opical
chic-a-boom B ahia. T w o w e e ks lat e r , an d
t he y s t ill have n 't be e n he ar dfr om. A s for
N E U R O T I C O S, t he y j us t r e t ur n e dfr om
C ur it iba, capit al of t he St at e of P ar an a,
w hichis halfw ay t o t he de e pan dcool
s out h( ple n t y of immig r an t s fr omGe r man y,
P olan d, I t aly, an dC ze chos lovakia) , an dit
w as as ucce s s . N E U R O T I C O S playe dt o
3000 pe ople , an dt ur n e dhe avy me t ale r s
an ds t ude n t s t o pun k. T he y came backt o
Sao P aulo as s or t of he r oe s . T he y have
als o chan g e dpe r s on n e l, w it h2 for me r
_ t
"neuroticos" and2 new ones--one of them
b eing Clemente . He is now their singer,
andusedtob e INOCENTES b assist . They
are one of the most active b ands in the
scene, andhave b eenknowntomake
5000
people laugh as the guitarist takes 10
minutes tochange strings . Last time they
playedin S.P., they almost causedthe
club (Napalm) toexplode!
Other b ands like SUTURADOS, COLERA,
3 6 5 (ex-LIXOMANIA), andeven OLHO
SECO have b eendoing sporadic gigs here
andthere, another inRio, or small towns.
The feeling is. . .punks andhardcores
really miss not having a free festival to
get together, sob y the middle of January
(our summer), things are going to b e
exciting again. Let's see. Cheers, and
keep it up for 1984 . Antonio Bivar
ADDRESSES:
NEUROTICOS/ c/ oAndre/ Av
. ciavasio
Alves da Silva 7 0/ BairrodoLimao/ 02 7 2 2
SaoPauloBrazil
Clemente/ Rua Andrea Del Castagno12 6 /
Vila Santa Maria/ 02 56 2 SaoPauloBrazil
AntonioBivar/ Rua Dona veridiana 410
apt. 6 3 / 012 3 8 SaoPauloBrazil
The most interesting event inthe last few
weeks was the RAF PUNK gig inIjub ljana.
they are a b andfrom Bologna, Italy who
run their own lab el, Attack Records.
They've put out the Papi, Queens, etc EP,
andother comp EPs. They are
anarcho-pacifists, andall the money they
make from the records goes toputting out
new projects.
Prob lems arose b efore they evengot toLj.
The gig was tob e at a youth center, b ut
the organizers failedtoget a permit, soit
hadtob e heldin a cellar . Ordinarily it
only holds 2 00 people, soyoucanimagine
what the atmosphere was like with over 400
kids in there . Punks came from all over
Yugoslavia for this.
STRES D.A. openedthe show, which only
cost $ .90 (which for us is a lot--on the
other

hand,

we paid

$2

to

see
ANTI-NOWHERE LEAGUE, andwere
cheated) . STRES D.A
. have a new singer
now, andtheir new, fast songs are b etter
than their older material. When they
startedtoplay, people just stoodaround,
not knowing what todo(we've only had2
hardcore gigs) : Most Yugoslav punks are
so 'proudof their 10 patches and
knowledge of the SEXPISTOLS
.' Anyway,
STRES D.A
. didnot disappoint.
ODPADKI CIVILIZACIJE came on a b it
drunk, sothere were plenty of mistakes,
b ut with their new singer andb ass player,
they are faster andmore energetic .
U .B.R. hadsome technical prob lems, b ut
their 10-song set was full of energy and
power . They are also known as
encouraging the most chaotic slam dancers
who go crazy all over the stage.
Undoub tedly the b est scene of the
evening.
RAF PUNK followed, b ut couldn't connect
with most of the older punks, who are
more reactionary .The media andthe older
punks hate us b ecause we are all younger
, andb ecause we've developedour own
ways . They want us toonly listentotheir
reggae/ post punk, etc, andwe are BORED
with that
. Back toRAF punk--they are 2
guys and2 girls, who play energetic
thrash, with lyrics influencedb y FLUX
andCRASS, only more poetic.
Hopefully, this will b e only the b eginning
of more such gigs. Come toYugoslavia!
Tomi, David, andGregor/ Bratov Ucakar
42 / 01000 Ljub ljana/ Yugoslavia
b y JelloBiafra
The first place we stoppedwas Auckland,
the northernmost andlargest of the three
major cities inNew Zealand
. The North
islandis more flat farmland
; the South
islandis more spectacularly alpine, and
contains only one b ig city, Christchurch.
Aucklandis a b it more of the cultural
center of New Zealand, anda b it less of
the economic center, since Wellingtonis
the capital.
Most of the current b ands inNew Zealand
that are undergroundare
very
post-punkish-- andI suppose, trying to
catch ontosome kindof U-2 or KILLING
JOKE b andwagon
. There are a lot of
supposedpunk b ands I heardof b y name,
b ut never got any evidence of whether
they actually existed--either inthe form of
tapes or b y personal acquaintence
. The
main punk b and, until recently, in
Aucklandwas heavily Oi-prone NO TAG.
Apparently, they b roke up due topeople
who came to their shows andb ashed
heads
. They re-formedto play one last
time with us, the OK'S
. Again, most of the
songs are very Oi!, with a couple of
reggae-influenced

ones

with

real
interesting guitar work . G'^ O
A couple of
post-punk b ands were very ab rasive and
minimal
. One of them is EIGHT LIVING
LEGS, who will have a split single out
sooner or later . Anyb ody interestedin
New

Zealand

tapes,

records,

or
correspondence shouldwrite to Neil
Cartwright, whois a D
.J ., along with NO
TAG's guitarist, at a university station in
Aucklandthat covers most of the city (11
Rob sonSt/ Mt Roskill/ Auckland4/ New
Zealand
Wellington is a heavier place
. Some
skinheads in Aucklandwho modeled
themselves after the British Movement
hurt several people at the secondshow we
didthere, andwent after us at one point.
But b y all accounts, they were mild
comparedtothe ones inWellington, who
are far greater in numb er, andfar more
vicious
. Inb oth cases, New Zealandskins
have the reputationof somehow coming up
with the money to fly over to Sydney,
Australia, b eat up people for a week or
two, andgohome.
The mainb andinWellington, at least the
most interesting, seems tob e RIOT III.
They are somewhat like the FEEDERZ,
perhaps In that they consider music the
lesser of their political activities . At times
whenforeignheads of state come totown,
the police have b eenknowntocome tothe
singer's house, andnot leave till the coast
is clear. He is of Maori descent, the native
people of New Zealand. They are treated
ab out how you'dexpect them tob e b y the
white alienmajority, although they're not
treatedanywhere nearly as b adly as the
Ab origines in Australia. They have
assimilatedthemselves somewhat intoNew
Zealandculture . For instance, New Zealand
apparently hada very wildrock'n'roll
scene in the late '50's, andalmost
everyone involvedwas Maori, including
Johnny Devlin, who made zillions of
records . He was quite good. Getting b ack
toRIOT III, the singer toldme he, among
many others, got aholdof a b oat, and
when the USS Texas came intoport at
Wellingtonona supposed"goodwill" visit
(which was more of a
show of force), and
these b oats triedtob lockade the harb or.
they apparently b attledwith police b oats,
andthrew fruit andpaint b omb s at the
ship.
NO TAG has analb um and12 " out
. The
LP is live andsomewhat uneven; the 12 " is
very well recordedandcontains three very
well writtensongs. To their credit, they
have a song which may
very well never b e
released, one of the reggae ones called
"NoFighting" . They saidthey delib erately
made it slow andto the point, so
everyb ody couldhear the words.
nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn
Yes well, New Zealand
. WE are 1900
kilometers from Australia, anda fucking
long way from anyb ody else! Most New
Zealandpop b ands endup in Oz
(Australia), like Split Endz . Yuk!
New Zealanders-3 millionpeople
. A thin
population, yet we have anamazing "urb an
sprawl". Aucklandis the thirdmost spread
out city in the world, b ut only has 1
millionpeople . Soeveryb ody needs a car.
You can get a driver's licence at 15 and
b elieve me, a lot of people do
. A lot of
kids get oldcars andlearn how tokeep
them going.
We are mostly of English descent (like my
family, arrivedin196 5), Maori's (the real
New Zealanders, who' are now ab out 15$),
other Islanders (mostly Samoans), other
Europeans,- andDutch (ab out 10$, like our
drummer Larry de Zoete andour guitarist
Dieneke)
. So, the majority is white, and
we were known for our racial harmony
until 1981
. But then a South African
rugb y team came toplay, andthis split
the country, causing b loody riots
. Most of
the punks came out against the tour (in
oppositiontothe Apartheidracist policies
of S. A,) , andit's the sub ject of our song
e ,

t at

is

just

ac groun
Thousands of N.Z .'ers live in
Australia--we have high unemployment,
etc. Our radio stations here are crap
American-pop oriented, b ut we didhave a
stationinAucklandthat hada punk show
on, b ut it's just b eenscrapped!
The first punk b andhere was in197 7 --the
SUBURBAN REPTILES . They were the most
original punk b andaroundfor 2 years,
although they hadlots of competition.
Thenthey b roke up . The next really good
b andwas the ENEMY from Dunedin, who
arrivedin Aucklandin '7 9andb ecame
TOY LOVE
. They were extremely popular
here, b ut b roke up in '80 . Inthat period
we alsohadthe PRIMMERS, TERRORWAYS,
PROUD SCUM (skinheadfollowing, their
guitatist is now in London's VORTEX).
After this we hadska, new romantics, etc,
andb y '81 the scene really polarized
b etweenpop b ands, funb ands, etc onone
hand, andonthe other handpolitical punk
b ands, weird-noise b ands , underground
b ands . Wellingtonb ands like UNRESTFUL
MOVEMENTS andRIOT Ill tendedtob e
most political, perhaps b ecause that was
the capital. Lots of good, strange diverse
b ands then--the GORDON'S from
Christchurch put out a single , then an
LP, visitedAuckland-- the only real and
original hardcore b andthat is still going.
And1982 was the year of NO TAG, the
Oi! b and.
THIS SPORTING LIFE have releasedan
alb um on an indie lab el (Flying Nun), as
well as records b y the CLEAN, TALL
DWARVES, CORDONS, andothers
. FLAK
(my b and) and8 LIVING LEGS (whoare
going toEngland) are doing a split EP.
CHILDREN'S HOUR alsohave anEP
. Newer
b ands have formed
: K4, PHANTOM
FOURTH, INFECTIOUS (with Boak
from NO
TAG) . Also, our self-runvenue is opened.
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MOVEMENTS
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n
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a.
My b andwas formedoriginal y y "ester
andDieneke, calling it the BOMBERS--it
was an avant-garde 4-piece with 2 b ass
players . Eventually it evolvedintoa weird
3 -piece hardcore b andthat playedrarely,
andwe are going toEnglandinApril.
Well, that's ab out enough for now . I don't
know much ab out the South Island(have
never b eenthere)
. If anyb ody wouldlike
toget aholdof some N.Z
. music, write to:
Paul (b ass player of PHANTOM 4TH)/
Industrial Tapes/ P.O. Box 8809/ Symonds
St/ AucklandNew Zealandfor a free news
letter.
Thanks, Mark Web ster/ 3 -146 HinemonSt/
Birkenhead, Auckland! New Zealand.
"Rags andTatters"
. Anyway, ever since
then, the police andgovernment have
grownmore repressive.
FLAK
Direct Hate, Finger, andother temporarily non-product, ve emotions, until drained. (swards the following groups: Persons with different b elieves
leading causes of inflation
. the Deb it card
solves not only those prob lems, b ut serves
as the national ID card, social security
cardandwouldahve a holographic picture
of the b earer
. (There it is, b ib le b eaters,
the Mark of the Beast.)Already credit
cards with the holographic ID are b eing
usedin the New York area, andmany
people b uy andsell through their home
computers, TV, andtheir b anks.
a
ew

ings wor toay wit ou a compu er

of some kind, somewhere . Watches,
calculators, cars, videogames. Were every
computer tostop, b anks, supermarkets,
television, radiowouldall stop . There are
not enough people in the worldtodoall
the work ina year that computers handle
inone day.
How docomputers work? (Andwhat does
all

that computerese mean?)

Letters,
numb ers andother characters are
representedb y 2 55 configurations of an
eight-b it b yte
. What? A b it is a circuit
which is either on or off
. Eight b its
strung together form a b yte anda b yte is
one character
. 16 -and3 2 -b it b ytes are
b eing usedwith more frequency in
engineering andscientific applications, as
well as b eing neededtotranslate Cyrillic,
Japanese, andChinese characters into
machine lanquage.
Once characters are in b ytes, all the
computer can do with them is add,
sub tract, compare, andstore . Pretty dumb
things. Higher math functions are nothing
b ut long series of additionor sub traction,
b ut since these functions are performedin
nano-seconds (b illionths) it makes little
difference. Alsothousands andmillions of
these computations can b e performed
simultaneously . All of this happens onone
or more silicon chips. One million
characters may b e storedona chip less
than}" square. One b illioncharacters can
b e storedona disk the size of anLP
. One
b illioncharacters is equivilent to440,000
pages of text. Anddisks are usedin
packs from one tosix, andsystems are
interconnectedintonetworks which form
data b ases of trillions (1,000,000, 000, 000)
of characters .
B ig B r ot he r ar r ive s ,
us e r fr ie n dly,

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o
mom
Figure 13 -1 `hese shiny surfaces whicha ,e
usedas the patters indisk packs could. inthe
f
utu
r
e
. containdata ab out every Mieninthe
world
. Society laces a significant challenge to
ensure that computer systems are usedfor
the b enefit ofallmankind.
Deflationis the economic rule inhigh-tech
industries. Almost any individual,
government, or corporationcanaffordthe
system they need. Various departments of
the US Government kept, in197 8, over 3 .5
b illionfiles onpeople, or ab out 17 files for
each person in the country from
motorcyclists whohave hadtheir licenses
suspendedtothose deemedb y the S .S. to
b e potentially harmful tothe President.
Only the computers andgoodhackers know
what is in the files of corporations, and
those .
classifiedsections of government
data b ases.
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In addition to speedandmnemonic
capacities, computers don't get b ored. A
case : A person travelling in India is
"detained" b y the local police whopunch
his name anda few of his identifying
numb ers anda few minutes later,
everything he haddone since the sixth
grade was spit out of the teletype
. Without
the computer network anddatab ase,
tappedintothrough phone lines, satellite
transmissions, microwave relay stations to
U .S. Government files, it wouldhave
taken years togather andtransmit that
information, b ut whowouldhave done it at
the computer "cost" of less thanone cent
every hundredwords .
C omputer s i n 1984
b! i j e r odP oor
WASHINGTON (UPII With 1984 lees
thana monthassay, nearly 7 0 percent of
Americans b elieve the "Big Brother" gov-
ernment ofGeorge Orwell's classic b ook is
almost ready tob eginpeering intotheir
b yes.
Pollster Louis Harris saidthe pervasive
computer industry has convincedmany
Americans that they are close tob eing a
part ofthe government-monitoredsociety
Orwell describ edinhis 1949novel "1984 ."
Harris said, "By a massive 84 percent,
most are convincedthat it wouldb e easy,
noprob lem at all, toput together a file on
them that contains all their credit informa-
tion, employment records, phone calls,
where they have livedover the last 10
years, their b uying hab its, their payment
records ondeb ts, the trips they have tak-
en
."
Many b elieve that suchinformation
files are already b eing kept for unknown
purposes, and89percent ofAmericans
think the government-monitoredsociety In
George Orwell's "1984" is at least "some
.
what close ."
The survey alsofoundthat the pub lic
thinks five scenarios inOrwell's b ook are
possib le inthe UnitedStates andfour of
them are "likely."
Eighty-sevenpercent b elieve it's pos-
sib le that "individuals will b e threatened
withdisclosure ofdamaging facts ab out
them" Inthe new era, and7 0 percent say
ft's likely. Eightysix percent b elieve Wash-
ingtoncoulduse informationtointimidate
groups it thinks are its enemies and7 0 per-
cent say it will likely happen.
Eighty-four percent saidgovernment
might use closed-circuit TV todocument
compromising activities ofmany individu-
als; 87 percent felt it will happen. Seventy-
nine percent thought It's possib le that "con-
fidential informationwill b e usedtotake
away the privacy, the freedom andthe
lib erty ofindividuals andgroups ofIndivid-
uals," and56 percent saidit's likely. Sixty-
three percent think computerizedinforma-
tioncouldb e takenover b y the govern-
ment tocontrol the populationunder a
totalitarianstate. But only 3 7 percent
thought sucha development is likely.
The poll showedthat the computer
revolutionis advancing evenmore rapidly
thanmany imagined, with 45 percent say-
ing they know how touse a computer, 10
percent owning their ownmachine and50
percent expecting toownone withinfive
yv
rS.
Computers are wonderful tools for
doub lethink
. "It was a computer error,"
and"Our computers never make mistakes
."
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Supermarkets anddepartment stores with
merchandise markedb y the Universal
Pricing Code, a laser reads the UPC, adds
the cost anddeducts the item from the
inventory . All b ank transactions are
recordedb y computers. In fact, it is
nearly impossib le to live in Western
Civilization without leaving a trace of
where, for how long, how much andwhat
your tastes were at the moment . This data
is, of course, highly valuab le to
demographic experts whohave determined
that left-handedb owlers inWisconsin, soy
farmers inKansas, andassemb ly workers
of Polish descent all b uy the same b eer,
b eans, andlike the same riffs in their
shit-kicking music. This is known as a
target audience, for whom the advertising
is directedanddesignedinthis computer
generatedculture.
Even MRR uses an

IBM-85 memory
typewriter.
Still, the more frightening aspects lie in
the near future . Certainapplications are
now b eing testedwhich wouldgive the
winners inthe informationwar evenmore
power, the Deb it Card. Looks like a Credit
Card, b ut contains a chip onwhich your
b ank account, your credit limit, your pay
checks, b ills, everything is stored. Money
is onits way out, pink andb lue ones and
tens do little to prevent counterfeiters
from b leaching ones andprinting twenties.
Some schools of economics point toprinting
currency without a goldb acking andthe
international money markets as the two
InTaiwan, anidea was put forth torig all
cars androads andcharge the drivers x
amount for certain roads, y amount for
others . The government wouldknow
exactly where a personwent, andfor how
long he stayed.
Right out of 1984, two-way TV has b een
here for a wht'
le-Hottest thing inthe Sun
Cities, where people sub scrib e toa cab le
security service whowatch for b urglars.
InJapanthere's two-way TV game shows
the whole family canplay.
Future technology? Rememb er this : When
it's announcedpub licly that a certain
technological b reakthrough canb e expected
tooccur infive years, someb ody already
has a prototype . The recent announcement
was b iochips. DNA Semiconductors.
Computers that needfood, as well as
electricity . Computer engineering comb ined
with genetic engineering has produceda
chip made of organic material which has
tremendous advantages over silicon
. The
chip canb e three dimensional insteadof
two,

increasing the memory b y ten

thousandtimes at least. Toda a i
anyone or thing youfeel responsib le for your less thanperfect existence
.
I.T CEEEECG ER
Department ofLab or : 97 data systems with2 3 million
records, many invow'ng people infederally financedwork
andlob training programs.
er on or off, "Yes" or "Nos', the the
b iochip has FIVE positions, "Yes", "No",
"Mayb e", andwhoknows what else
. The
designers rave onab out aritificial eyes for
the b lind, b ut the real goal, sponsoredb y
the PentagonandJapanese "Police Force"
is Artificial Intelligence, of Al.
Al raises several moral andethical
questions toolengthy todiscuss here, if it
thinks it is andis it a slave? andso
forth, b ut Al can b e summedup with,
"There is more thanone way tob ecome an
ob solete species ."
II
Department ofHealth, EducationandWeller*: 6 93 data
yetems with1.3 b illionpersonalrecords including marital,
inancial, healthandother informationonrecipients of
ocialSecurity, socialservices, medicaid, medicare and
Justice Department
: 17 5data systems with181 millio
records including informationoncriminals andcriminal
suspects, aliens, persons linkedtoorganizedcrime,
securities-laws violators and"individuals whorelate inany
manner toofficialFBI investigations
."
Traeary Department
: 910 data systems with853 million
records that include tiles ontaxpayers, foreigntravelers,
persons deemedb y the Secret Service tob e potentially
harmtw tothe President, anddealers inalcohol, firearms
andexplosives
Department ofTrensportetlon
: 2 6 3 data syslems with2 5
millionrecords including informationonpilots, aircraft and
b oat owners, andallmotorists whose licenses nave b een
withdrawn, suspendedor revokedb y any state.
CivilServloe: 14 data systems with103 millionrecords.
mostly dealing withgovernment employees or applicants
for government lob s.
Veterans Administration: 52 data systems with156 million
records, mostly onveterans anddependents now receiving
b enefits or whogot them inthe past.
However, a rudimentary form of Al is due
tob e marketedinearly 1984
. Referredto
as "expert" systems b ecause they can
operate "intelligently" onsub jects limited
b y their data b ases, they nonetheless
arrive at solutions b y making judgement
decisions b aseduponthe data b ase (know
as a knowledge b ase inAl circles) andthe
user's input
. A close approximation of
human intelligence, b ut not yet the
researchers' ultimate goal
. To simply
explainits "tljpught-processes"
wouldb e
impossib le here,

b ut most computers
manipulate words andnumb ers without
"knowing "
their meanings, andrun
through long strings of every possib le
comb inationandpermutation
. The expert
systems infers results b asedonIF
. . .
THEN, andthe Lisp Language gives
meaning tothe words andnumb ers.
Of course, since this is b eing released,
the scientists are through with these
concepts
. The expert systems are b eing
usedin the fields of engineering and
rob otics primarily, which will prob ab ly do
wonders for the unemployment figures
. I
wouldnot b e surprisedif now, or in the
very near future, someb ody in the
Pentagon b asement is having a
conversationwith a computer.
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Appropriately enough, our feature
interview inthis "Welcome to1984" issue is
with WinstonSmith
. This WinstonSmith is
anartist, perhaps b est knowntomany of
you for his graphics on andin a lot of
DEAD KENNEDY'S records
. He was
tremendously influencedb y George Orwell's
1984, andassumedthe name of its
protagonist . He, and"partner in art
crime", JayedScotti, usedtoput out a
zine calledFallout (b ack issues of which
are still availab le- 2 issue/ $4 in US, 2
issues/ $6 Europe-b y writing Fallout/ P
.O.
Box 153 5/ Ukiah CA 95482 ), andhave an
enormous amount tosay onthe sub ject at
hand
. Joining them are Jeff Bale andTim
Y of MRR. It's a long piece, b ut in some
ways the most important we've ever run.
Hope youcanmake your way through it.
Thanks, T
.Y.
JB
: Winston, tell us a little ab out how
1984 relates toyour life.
WT
Some b ackgroundis appropriate here
first
. I left the country in 196 8, went off
tostudy in Islay, andreturnedin '7 5
. In
those 7 years, things hadchangeda lot in
America
. WhenI left it was people fighting
inthe streets, wanting tob urneverything
down
. When I returned, everyone was
frumpedout onearth shoes, health food,
andcandy
. Things hadchangedsomuch
socially that even the language
changed--words appearedthat didn't even
exist b efore, like "lifestyle", andother
terms coinedb y Time magazine . People got
intothe hab it of saying words that were
throwaway, meaningless phrases
. After I
got b ack I livedin Boston. Wherever I
went there were armedguards andTV
cameras-- in dimestores, donut shops,
McDonalds. I hadnever seenthese things
b efore, andI thought "Why don't people
ob ject tothis?" Why didn't they ob ject to
b eing consideredguilty as soon as they
walkedinsomewhere? People I talkedto
said

"Well,

crime

is

so

high

and
everything, were really gladtohave those
TV cameras there
." Andof course they
paidfor them too, with higher prices for
everything . People didn't mindb eing
friskedat the airport b ecause of the
possib ility of b eing hijacked. They didn't
mindgiving up their rights for a few
moments . Andit occurredtome that they
didn't mindb ecause it was 'snuck in'--
they were softenedup to it b it b y b it,
whereas I hadb eenout of the picture for
awhile . It's like youdon't see some friend
from high school for years, andrun into
him --he's totally different looking toyou.
Youwonder how it happened. Well, it's
gradual, day b y day changes.
TY : Yeah, they dosneak these things up
onyou
. In1984, the police use helicopters
tosurveil people . That made me rememb er
that a few years agomost Americans would
have b eenshockedat such a proposal. But
here in California, it's a commonly
acceptedfact of life now--like in that
movie "Blue Thunder
."
JE : Or on the Muni (S.F .'s pub lic transit
system) they have videocameras installed.
More andmore they will b e implementing
this intomajor parts of our lives.
JB: It's under the guise of "for your own
protection
." They have a rationalization
for
relating it tothe pub lic's b enefit, when
actually they utilize the technology for
completely different purposes.
TY
: Before we get toodeep intoOrwell's
nightmare- come-true, tell us why you
changedyour name to"WinstonSmith", the
ventral character in1984?
WS : The Smith character kindof
represents every man
. It's a generic name.
It just seemedlike anappropriate name,
anappropriate theme for what everyone
experiences . It's funny, b ut up until this
year, noone has ever commentedonit;
made

the

connection.

It

was

a
consciousness-raising effort onmy part.
JB: Getting b ack toOrwell's b ook, I know
there are a lot of sub -themes andmillions
of provocative ideas, b ut what doyousee ,
as the primary message?
I WS :

Prob ab ly the annihilation of the

individual. Even the rather hopeless
feeling engenderedb y the ending of the
b ook seems aimedat b ringing out these
questions, especially ab out people wanting
tonot b e individuals, andsurrendering to
a more collective security
. "Give me
security or give me death."
JB: There's a lot of historical b asis for
that. One example is during the 7 th or 8th
century inFrance, where the Vikings were
I making inroads andincursions, a lot of the
!free peasantry voluntarily gave up their
rights tob ecome feudalized. They didthis
in return for protection b y a feudal
I military cheif. That was one of the main
impetuses for the development of
feudalism--people's desire for security
b eing more important thantheir desire for
freedom.
JE : They were happy topay taxes too,
b ecause those taxes supportedthe people
whowouldkeep their enemies out.
JB: Not only taxes; they were happy to
'
essentially have norights whatsoever, to
b e stuck onthe same plot of landwithout
I any ab ility toleave. Huge percentages of
their crops were taken in return for
security ."
WS
: They hadtoturn their children over
towhatever lordwas incharge
. It's the
"
same now--people are happy toturntheir
kids over tothe army sothat they can
'make sure they have coffee from El
'
Salvador, oil from the Mideast or Vietnam.
They might as well cut out the middleman,
andpour their kids b loodright down the
I gas tank.
TY : Yousoundpretty cynical.
WS : Cynical, paranoid, I don't know what
the right wordis.
JB
: Someb ody once said"a paranoidis
. someone whoknows all the facts."
missile.
WS
: Well, that sloganfrom the b ook, "War
is peace
. Freedom is slavery . Ignorance is
strength" . . .that's why we have somany
newspapers that all say the same thing.
You feel like you've got 2 5 different
channels on the TV, b ut it's all one
channel b ecause it's all coming out of the
same mouth, andit's all meaningless, with
rare exceptions. Now "War is peace" has
made a comeb ack with a vengeance,
b ecause here comes Reagansaying "I'm
gonna call the MX, the most murderous
nuclear weaponthat's b eendevisedup to
t
his point, andcall it the 'Peacemaker' ."
That's exactly the opposite of what it is.
Didyou know that prior to WWII, the
Dept. of Defense was calledthe War
Department? That's what it was
. They
calleda spade a spade . But that sounded
b ad, like we were provoking something, so
they changedit to something soft, so
people are lulled.
JB: They want tolull us ab out things that
might reflect negatively on our own
country, b ut as soon as something else
comes up, andit's an"enemy", they want
towhip us intoa frenzy.
WS : A few years ago, Alexander Haig was
givenanawardb y the English Teachers
Association of America, for the most
b rilliant Newspeak . Then there's
Doub lethink, the concept of asking youto
b elieve twocontradictory things at the
same time
. SoReagansays "We have to
b uildup our military b ecause we're sofar
b ehindthe Russians. It'll take us until
1985 tocatch up " . (He's saying this in
1980) .
well, if that were really true, why
wouldthe Russians wait for us toget even
with them? You don't fight the war tob e
even, youfight towin
. If that were really
true, they wouldhave clob b eredus a long
time ago. Sohe's trying tosay we're the
strongest country inthe world, yet we're
b ehindthe Russians
. Andif "you can't
trust the Russians", as he says, which is
as true as "you can't trust the
Americans", thenhow canwe trust them to
wait for us tocatch up . It's Doub lethink.
Andthe way we're educatedis to not
analyze these things, to not think for
ourselves andfigure it out.
JB
: They want peo le to think and-I population, andprevents internal social
I
divisiveness .

That's

always

b een
'
recognized, b ut today the techniques for
manipulating people's attitudes have gotten
infinitely more sophisticated.
I
WS : Well, Goeb b els inNazi Germany laid
the groundwork for most of the Madison
' Ave . techniques that have b eenused. It
'
doesn't matter what youchoose totell us,
as long as you tell it loudenough and
JB:

For example, Oceania

fighting Eurasia one day, and..
WS : then they'db e alliedwith Eurasia
I
against Eastasia the next.
I
JB: They wouldgear all their propaganda
towards getting people into a hostile
frenzy against Eurasia, andthenlater on
whenthey wouldally with Eurasia tofight
I
against Eastasia, they wouldjust switch
the sub ject.
WS : They wouldjust change the posters,
I
the newspaper articles, b ooks, etc, andno
I
one wouldnotice the difference, noone
wouldsay "weren't we just allies with
those quys?"
'
TY : It's soclose totoday
. Tenyears ago
everyone was terrifiedof the "Red
Chinese"
. Now we're allies with them
against the "RussianBear", whowe were
allies with 40 years aao.
I JE
: Right now "terrorism
" is the b ig
enemy
. that'
s pretty neb ulous.
I JB
: I think Communism is starting tomake
a comeb ack
. For a while, "Internationa
l
Communism" was the b ig enemy, b ut after
a while that notion b ecame discredited.
'
Then
for a while, "terrorism" was the
sub ject,

then

"communist-

b acked
terrorism",

andnow we're b ack to

"communism
. "
WS
: They keep shifting the coins around,
andthey'
re all the same coin.
JB
: The key element here though is to
I
di
vert people's attentionfrom domestic and
internal issues b y constantly terrorizing
them intofearing anexternal threat, and
I
thereb y creating a false unity inopposition
I
I tosomething.
JE
: For centuries, the great cattle prodof
the masses was religion
. "These people are
our enemy b ecause they're against our
God," andof course, our Godis correct.
WS : They're still doing it.
JE
: Toa degree, b ut then the capitalistic
I
incentive took over, aroundthe turn of
the century.
WS
: Well, Godis a capitalist.
I
JE : Andthenthey made youworry ab out
b eing #1.
JB
: The fact is, that throughout history,
every single society has welcomedan
I
external threat, b ecause it provides a
rallying, a unifying point for their own
examine within an "cceptab le
" sphere.
Beyondthat, you're not supposedto
think
. Within that sphere, you can have
slight differences of opinion. That's
"democracy
."
TY: We've touchedonsomething I'dlike to
gointoa b it more--the concept in1984 of
always needing anoutside "enemy ."
WS : That's right.
WS : Right
. Look, I am, you are, we all
are Winston Smith
. If something can
happentoone of us, it canhappentoall
of us. We're all Jews inthat sense . It can
happenanytime
. The Japanese-Americans
were interredovernight
. During '6 8, there
was a rumor that a national b ill was going
through Congress, the McMann Act I
think, which calledfor the detention of
dissidents--the indefinate detention of
anti- war protesters, dopers, etc
. There's
a b ook
calledConcentrationCamp USA,
which documents this . Congressional move.
It wasn't a rumor, andthose camps are
still sitting out there
. They're all in
mothb alls, b ut couldb e activatedin 3 0
days if a war b roke out.
JB: I think the interesting thing in that
gets b ack towhat you saidab out how
we're all Winston Smith. There's an
excellent quote from some victim of the
Nazi regime inGermany, where he said
"Whenthe Nazis came for the communists,
I didn't speak up b ecause I wasn't a
communist. When the Nazis came for the
Jews, I didn't speak up b ecause I wasn't a
Jew. When the Nazis came for the
Catholics, I didn't speak up b ecause I
wasn't a Catholic . Finally, whenthe Nazis
came for me, there wasn't anyb ody left to
speak up ."
WS : Andthat happenedina country that
was among the most advancedandcivilized
inEurope
. People can say "well, it can't
happenhere", b ut it's already happened
here! It happenedtothe Indians--wiped
out toa mere few thousand. That was the
endof the worldfor most of them.
TY
: Why don't we talk some ab out other
aspects of 1984 that are already happening
here.
WS : Newspeak, for instance . I mentioned
earlier ab out
how the language had
changedwhile I was away . All kinds of
expressions, not just colloquial stuff.
Everything's b een reducedto 3 or 14
initials--MX, Dense Pack, etc, etc. It kind
of distances the individual from an
understanding of it.
JB: It trivializes very dangerous concepts.
WS : Whenthe Three Mile Islandaccident
happened, they didn't say "nuclear
accident." They said"N-accident ", or
somewhere b ack onthe ob ituary page of
the newspaper (a very appropriate place),
they have something like "A-plant leak" or
"N-plant accident" . It's as if they don't
have enough room towrite "Atomic" or
"Nuclear ."
JB : Often times they don't even write
"accident
." They just use euphemisms like
"incident."
WS : The nuclear industry loves Newspeak.
the wordfor "leak" is "migration." That
sounds like everyone shouldhave a
migration. Andthey don't want touse the
word"explosion", which wouldb e alarming
tothe pub lic, sothey call it a "R.E.R.",
or "rapidenergy release ." or a fire is
calledan"incendiary event ."
JE : It's the oldshell game, with words.
They trivialize things that are important,
andmake a b ig thing out of things that
aren't.
TY : That's what the function of the
Ministry of Truth was in1984.
JB: Propaganda.
TY : But a lot of it is what American
newspapers are doing today, feeding
people a b unch of unrelated, inane stories.
JB : Not exactly
. On the one hand, they
overwhelm youwith information, most of
which is meaningless
. That makes it very
difficult toread-b etween the lines and
extract important stuff.
WS
: They give you crime, gossip ab out
government officials ..
TY : Yes, that kindof thing tokeep
your
mindoff the really important matters.
JB
: Before we leave the sub ject of
Newspeak, we shouldgive some examples
of it: like "Peacemaker" for the MX
oftenenough. Sooner or later, people will
b elieve it b ecause they have nochoice.
Even with television, in the more sub tle
areas. . ."You've got to have our new
fingernail polish, or you won't get laid."
its just constant, constant, constant.
JB: Evenwhenwere not ina situationof
crisis, they're laying the groundwork for
it. For example, the typical image of the
Soviet Union you get on TV is either
soldiers marching inRedSquare, or people
waiting in line to b uy b read. Those are
images that are re- inforcedtothe pub lic:
that Russian citizens can't b uy goods,
andthat they are totally militaristic.
WS
: Many of those "file footage" pictures
were takenyears ago. they've b eenshown
over andover.
TY : It's interesting tosee how different
the Soviet Union was presentedduring
WWII, whenthey were our allies. Look at
oldcopies of National Geographic or Life.
They show people smiling or inlib raries.
The same people, different situation.
JB: They still show pictures of
Khrushchev b anging his shoe at the U.N .,
proclaiming "We will b ury you." What he
was really talking ab out was the eventual
economic dominationof the U
.S. b y the
U.S.S.R
. The image of him slamming that
shoe onthe tab le servedthe same function
as Orwell's TwoMinute Hate, that b eing a
frightening andrepulsive image of the
"enemy
."
JE :

We're often given such b lanket

responses to crises, like the Iranian
Hostage situationor the K
.A.L
. incident.
Noone wants tolook at the facts
. They
refuse to
. It's a political fact of life that
we doheavy spying oneach other
. What's
sounusual ab out them using a civilian
airliner for surveillance purposes?
JB: It's not unusual at all. In fact,
there's plenty . of evidence that this stuff
happens all the time.
JE : But if youtoldthe average personon
the street this, he wouldaccuse you of
b eing a commie . He wouldrather b elieve
that the Russians are simply evil.
JB: Well that's the image that's b een
re-inforcedsince he grew up . What they
want youtodois have a shallow emotional
response tolarge issues, andnot look at
them indetail-- nogrey areas, just b lack
andwhite, evil andgood.
WS : Sothose people whowantedtogoto
war, toannihilate the Russians b ecause of
the 2 7 0 deaths, were willing toob literate
the human race . It's weird
. They can
understand2 7 0 deaths, b ut 40 million
b ecomes fantasy . I think Eichmann said
"The death of 100 people is a catastrophe,
b ut the death of -1 million people is a
statistic ."
TY: The pathetic thing is that our
government is prob ab ly responsib le, at
least indirectly, for at least 2 7 0 deaths a
day.
JB : It just depends on if the deaths suit
political needs at the time they happen. If
people think that Reagan really was
concernedab out those 2 7 0 people, as
individuals, then they are more
b rainwashedthananyyb ody inOceania.
WS : Again, we have the b asic image of Big
Brother pointing out the "enemy", the
neb ulous "enemy", despite the fact the the
sides keep changing--Russians, Chinese,
Lib yans, Cub ans, who will it b e next
week?
TY: Sothat KoreanAirline incident makes
a striking parallel tothe concept of Hate
Week in1984.
WS : So was the Iranian situation, with
pictures of millions of them pushing their
arms in the air, fists clenched, yelling
"Death toAmerica
." TV made millions of
Americans froth at the mouth, that was
Hate Week too.
JB: Andwhat the so-calledob jective free
press failedtomentionwas that The U
.S.
hadb eenpropping up a repressive right
wing dictatorship for 2 5 years, a regime
the C.I .A. put intopower b y overthrowing
the popular Mossadegh in1953 . The Shah's
regime hadkilledthousands andthousands
of Iranians, andprob ab ly 50-6 0$
of those
hostages were intelligence operatives
involvedwith that. But tothe American
pub lic,

they were just 50 "innocent

hostages" b eing heldfor some reasonb y
religious fanatics.

'
WS
: Basedon how the American media
treats revolutions today, one wouldhave
toconclude that if the mass media had
b een in place during the American
Revolution, they wouldhave sidedwith the
Crown.
JB
: Speaking of which, they changedthe
name, b ack inthe '50's, from the American
Revolution to the American War for
Independence
. Sonow the textb ooks say
that, b ecause "revolution" is now a dirty
word associated with the dreadcommies.
That's a re-writing of history, which was
WinstonSmith's job in1984 . Toshow you
how effective b rainwa Ming has b een,
occasionally people will gotoshopping
malls or something, andpass out sections
of the Declarationof Independence or the
Bill of Rights, andask people to sign
their petitions toimplement them. Most
readers think it's a b unch of communist
propaganda . They don't even know the
traditions of their owncountry!
WS : Yeah, people look at the high school
kids, or whoever is passing out the parts
of the Constitution, andsay "This must b e
part of the Communist Manifesto.

I
wouldn't signsomething like that ."
JB: It's ironic how far we've come . Let's
just say there's a worldof difference
b etweenHenry Kissinger andTom Paine.
TY : Let's talk a b it ab out technology, as
it applies to1984 . Earlier we mentioned
videocameras, etc.
WS : WhenOrwell wrote his b ook, TV was a
new thing . People were very suspicious of
it . My mother wouldactually undress
b ehindthe screenb ecause she thought the
announcer couldsee her.
JB: When I was a kidI thought Howdy
Doody couldsee me . But now, the
' technology exists for them toactually see
' you, just like in 1984 . WS: They can if
they want. Of course, we're not important
enough tob e spiedupon, b ut youknow as
well as me that whenyoumake a phone
call youdon't say "Hey, I got a few really
nice joints, why don't youcome over and
smoke some ." Youdon't say that b ecause
there is the possib ility of someone listening
in. It couldhappenat any time.
'
JB: There's twothings involvedwith the
phone company
. The first is that for every
b ug plantedb y a govt
. agency, there are
3 00 b ugs plantedb y private security
agents . Numb er twois that the oldfashion
methodof tapping, the old
b reak-and-enter, b lack b ag job , is no
longer necessary. Phones canb e tappedat
the source of the line, not inthe receiver
itself, andsince the phone company has a
I
b uddy-b uddy relationship with the feds,
they can, at any time, tap a line and
you'dnever know, or b e ab le touse an
r e g ime br in g s
A Shin y N e w A me r ico
'-A
make ab out surveillance is that it usedto
b e a lab or-intensive operation, which
meant it wouldb e economically unfeasib le
tokeep track of everyb ody. But now,
someone cansit ina room andkeep track
of 50 different viewscreens, just like in
1984.
W I usedtoroadie for b ands, andat
one club they must have hadab out 2 0
videocameras all over the place, in the
elevator, etc. The guy there said"Wow,
real 1984" proudly, then askedme if I
knew whowrote the b ook. I said"Erik
Blair", which fuckedhim up b ecause he
didn't know Orwell's real name, andhe
thought he was soomnipotent with all his
technology . I have friends that work at
the Post Office who toldme there are
cameras inthe b athrooms there, tospy on
unionactivities.
JB: One thing I think Orwell was trying to
get

across

is

that

in

all

modern,
b ureaucratic, industrial societies,
regardless of the ideological perspective,
one hadthis sort of increasing control and
manipulation going on, andthat the
developing technology made it increasingly
threatening tohumanlib erty.
WS : The reasonhe wrote the b ook was . to
describ e trends that were happening then,
in1948, andswitchedthe numb ers, making
it sci-fi. He hadb een a British
government worker inIndia, a b ureaucrat
andjournalist, andwas in the very
position of the character Smith in the
b ook . He hadto fab ricate war reports,
'unidentified

spokesmen

said. . .",

etc.
Orwell was making ananalogy, like Swift's
9ulliver's Travels, ab out what was
happening then, not ab out what was going
tohappeninthe future.
JB : Well on one handit was ab out his
disillusionment with Stalinism, andthe Nazi
experience, andalso it was ab out the
then-current conditions of English life,
the post-war periodof desolation.
WS : Bomb ed-out b uildings, shortages,
rationing, which went on for years after.
So yes, he was indicting all modern
industrial socities.
JE
: He was alsoindicting the middle class
masses--"We're

all

in

this

together ."
"

T~~~~~

~_._`
Rememb er though, Winstonruns away from
antging device
.

documents that showedK- M hadviolated

that mass society to the outcasts, the

WS
: Andnot only is the conversationitself

federal statutes . Thenall of a suddenthey

proles, whocouldn't b e manipulatedas

tapped, b ut the conversationinthe roon

foundher car off the road, her dead, and

well
. They hadnoreal stake insociety.
is too
. Evenif the phOne is off the hook,

nofiles . Sure . One other point we should

TY
: I also rememb er in the b ook how
it acts like a diaphragm, like a drum
. It r'
picks up everything--like having a
I

Little Fingerprints
. on File
microphone right under your coffee tab le.
JB
: For that matter, they don't have to
use a phone
. They have devices, which
usedevenfrom a b lock away,
canpick up
someb ody's

conversation

inside

their
house . High-poweredmikes
.

Students at St
. Elizab eth's
TY
: Andthere's laser technology now too.

School inLinden, N
.J. linedup
WS : All they have todois b ounce a laser,

yesterday sopolice and

thew.
which is invisib le to the eye, right
I iff' s officers couldink their
through ' your window . "These walls have
I
fingers for
union
County's
ears" b ecomes a reality
. Andthese lasers `Fingerprints onFile' pro-
canevenovercome music or noises you I
gram.
might throw in their way toavoidb eing

The prints will b e kept on

overheard. They're very sensitive .

file only ifparents give per-

JE : I've readsome transcripts of actual mission, b ut authorities said
cases that have happenedusing this stuuf,
I
they
hope mostofthecounty's
andit's b eyondwhat we canup with b eing 42 ,000 kindergartenthrough
paranoid
. Most cases have involvedone eighth-graders wouldpertici-
company attempting tospy on another, I
pate inthe program, de.
through

their

own

private

security signedtomake it easier for

agencies.

They

engage

in

sab otage,
I police toidentify childrenwho
kidnapping, b omb ings, youname it .

I ore kidnapedor runaway.

JB:

It's

pretty

frequent

Ifa childdisappears, por .

occurance--corporate espionage .

ents consendthe fingerprints

WS : PG&E employs a b ig private eye firm Itolaw enforcement offices in
called

Research

West

who

spy

onWashingtonD.C..
anti-nuclear activists, to findout their
plans . They are not b eyondintimidating

The students seemeda lot

people tokeep them from b eing effective .

I
more enthusiastic ab out hav
mg their prints takenthan
JB: The KarenSilkwoodcase is another
I grown-ups usually do.
example . She was on her way tomeet a
reporter toexpose Kerr-McGee's dirty
tricks in the uranium industry . Whenshe
left her house she hada whole file full of I
Sur ve illan ce . Vide o came r as in dow n t ow n M oun t Ve r n on , N e w Yor k, mon it or an dr e cor d
s us picious act ivit y. P olice officials claimt hat s t r e e t cr ime has dr oppe d50 pe r ce n t .
Winston was trying torememb er "how it

are totally unaware of their real interests 1 toget it pub lished, toget across a certain
usedtob e", whether it was always like I
now
. They've b een sob rainwashedthat

point
. He triedto analyze what was
that .

they consistently operate against their own' happening in1948.

WS : Television can induce that kindof
I interests .

TY: NO. There's a difference b etweenhow

WS : InAmerica mayb e .

I the Soviet Unionfunctions, where there is

JB: No, in modern Western societies
.

only one control, andthis country which

Ob viously, Americansociety is the worst

is more pluralistic.
example of it
.

I
JB : But when most people think of
I
WS : Americans are prob ab ly the most

pluralism, they think that all the various

politically naive people inthe world. ' interests in society have an arena in which
JB: It's not so great elsewhere either . they're conflicting . The fact of the matter
After Englandvotedfor Thatcher the first
I
though is that pluralism inthe U.S. means
time, andAmerica votedfor Reagan, they

that various factions of the ruling class

turnedaroundandsaidhow couldwe b e

are differing
. That is why we don't quite
sostupidtoelect him
. Thenthey goahead I
have 1984 . Withinthe elite itself there is a
andelect Thatcher a secondtime! Going

lot of conflict. There's a more progressive

mass amnesia.
TY : People's ab ility torecall canreally get
wipedout.
JB
: Most people have anincredib ly shallow
historical perspective tob egin with, and
comb ine that with the constant
..
WS :

Bomb ardment

of

imagery

and
information, much more thanwe need, and
usually

trivial

andunimportant stuff,
which causes anoverload.
JB: That's one of the techniques explicitly
mentionedinthe b ook.
WS
: Another rwality from the b ook which

b ack to my feeling that we're in an

group, anda reactionary group. The

we findimplementednow is the idea of I
incipient 1984 situation though, I think

former is, in a sense, more dangerous,

generic products. Even though there are

there is a small elite of people whowant to

b ecause what they're saying is that this is

many

supposedly competing products,

control, andhave the money andpower toIan international thing andwe've got to
really

they're all the same .

Victory
I
doit. Secondly, there is the technology to 1 ' cooperate with other country's elites,
cigarettes, Victory gin.

do it now
. Thirdly, they've laidthe

estab lish

international

institutions,
JB
: There's a b ook calledSnap, Crackle,

ideological groundwork andmanipulatedthe I

multinational corporations, andrationalize
andPop, where one of the things

American pub lic into b eing incredib ly

the whole world. That's their goal. The

discussedare the new shopping centers, I
docile . The only thing they're lacking is

reactionaries want America first, "America

where one gets the illusionof competition,

an

overall

centralizing

structure

of I Rules! " . But once those differences are

b ut in most cases all the stores selling
I
control.

So we have all these elite

settled,

either

through

violence

or
different b rands of similar products are all

interests moving towards this goal of mass

compromise, once they coalesce, thenwe

ownedb y the same company, andthey fix I
control. But they have not yet linkedtheir

will b e in a 1984 situation. AndI don't

prices . There's nocompetition.

I
efforts together .

think they'll take toomuch longer todo

WS
: Andthe companies all owneach other,

WS
: I disagree
. I think Orwell hadto

that.
either through interlocking b oards of
I
exaggerate a b it tomake it science fiction,

WS : . A glob al crises couldb ring it on.

directors, or through stock . GM owns '1
something like 42 % of Mitsub ishi.

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TY : Going b ack towhat I was alluding to
air
b efore, ab out how people can get I
conditionedtosomething sowell that they
can't even rememb er how it usedto
b e--well, 1984 is here now, has b eenfor a
while, andpeople don't evenknow it
. Most
Americans are under the impressionthat
they live ina free society, that they have
freedom of choice, freedom of speech, that
this is a democracy andthey know what's
going on in the world. In fact, 90$ of
those people don't.
JB:

I wouldsay we're living in an

incipient 1984 situation.
WS
: No, it's actually worse, b ecause this
is not as openas the b ook was . That was
something youcouldput your finger on.
JB: Yeah, b ut it's not as co-ordinated
here yet. The b ig difference is that what
we have here is a lot of fucked-up people
whoshare those values, andare all moving
I
in a certain direction towards a 1984 I
situation,

b ut they haven't linkedit

together yet.
WS : The ultimate thing is always to
maintainthe status quoandmaintaintheir
control.
JB: Right, there's all these people that I
are individually trying to preserve the
status quo.
WS : But the Spanish Inquisitionwas 1984
for them in1584.
JB : No, I don't think so. We're talking
ab out total social control.
WS : F- them, that was total social
control. That was as far as they could
take it then. They hadthe atmosphere of
fear.
JE : One of the b est social controls is (1)
the middle class, and(2 ) the promise of'
b etter.
WS
: The fear of losing what you've got.I
JE
: In the middle class, everyone has a
certaineconomic stake
. That makes them
more capab le of b eing manipulated
. The
poor people, the proles, don't have the
strings as tightly attachedtothem.
JB: I don't agree with that
. I don't think
there are that many proles inour society.
That's the whole prob lem with our society,
that everyb ody, evenmost working class
people, think that they have a stake in
the system b ecause they have just enough
b readcrumb s.
WS : Tob uy a car, ontime.
JB
: Right. There's a great b ook out,
Herb ert Marcuse's One Dimensional Man,
which everyb ody shouldread
. His view is
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JB anTT amt saga sopingto stash
grMry, nMi ringaway
a war which all Americans will jump WS
: If they didit all suddenly, people
b ehind. He'll try toprovoke some countries
intodoing something foolish, andthat'll
give the U.S. a "legitimate" reasontoget
on a moral horse, rally the population
b ehindhim, get re-elected, etc . I think
the only thing that can stop this is his
ownklutziness, andthat his advisors are
soideologically b linkeredthat they may
start a war that will b ackfire.
WS : Unfortunately, he couldtake all the
rest of us with him.
JE : A worlddepression wouldalso b e
favorab le for those groups. During the
last depression, people forgot ab out all the
utopianandcommunistic ideas that many,
many of them were thinking ab out, and
hadtojust concentrate onsurvival
. Right
after that came WWII, rallying everyone,
followedb y the post-war economic b oom.
Andwhere didall that wealth come from?
It came from the fact that we were ab le to
march intoall these countries andexploit
them tothe max . ..
WS : Andmake them client states.
JB: Aside from the economic exploitationof
the ThirdWorld, the U.S
. really was the
victor inWWII . Everyb ody else, including
the other "victorious"allies like the British
andRussians, sufferedgrevious losses in
populationandeconomic resources. We
waltzedinafter the Russians were already
winning the war, andgot the spoils.
JE : In the U.S
., b y our very mode of
living, we are dictating a war . We must
have one tomaintainour prosperity . We
are b uilt ona war economy.
JB: I think we shouldtalk a b it ab out
domestic repression, andthe gradual
eroding of our civil lib erties, legally
speaking . Right now, the Reagan
administration, on every level, has b een
assaulting civil rights legislation,
restricting the flow of information b y
attacking the Freedom of InformationAct.
WS : Eliminating funding for the Legal
Services for the Poor . I have literally a
room full of press clippings onReagan's
inroads.
JB: The point is that all this stuff is done
n in e

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censorship of a scope unparalleled in this
country since the adoption of the

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wouldcatch onandsay "Noway
."
JE
: The government got very hip tothat
inthe '6 0's. People went out andfought it
I
b ecause it was b latant . Now its more
sub tle.
TY : There's aninteresting movie, which
after I saw it I hadtogoget a goodstiff
drink tostop shaking . It was Bergman's
Serpent's Egg, which came andwent real
fast ab out 7 years ago. It was ab out I
Germany in the '2 0's, where Bergnman
spent some time. The "egg" was the
culture that gave b irth toNazism
. It's
ab out some social experiments that were
conductedonpeople whodidn't evenknow
they were b eing experimentedon. Those
experiments showedhow over the course of
time youcouldconditionpeople toaccept
anything--the most horrib le realities . . .and
that they wouldnot evennotice that they
hadacceptedit.
JE
: Part of humanb eing's natural instinct
is tocope, toadapt.
WS
: A lot of the funding for investigations
intostudies of manipulation in the 19th I
Century came from Vanderb ilt, Carnegie,
andother Americanindustrialists . They
foundout how tocapitalize on people's
deepest fears andurges
. They've b een
using that on Madison Ave . for
advertising, andthe govt. uses it for
manipulationof false patriotism.
JB
: Every govt . does this stuff though--
the Soviet Union is a goodexample of
systematic propagandizing, manipulation,
andovert repression when that doesn't
work
. Here, propaganda is more sub tle,
andthat's why overt repression isn't
usually resortedto. But getting b ack to
the gradual erosion of people's rights,
there's anexcellent b ook ab out the Nazi
experience calledThey Thought They Were
Free :The Germans 193 3 -1945 b y Milton
Mayer. It's amazingly illucidating.
TY : Socomparedtothat, wouldyousay
we're "free"?
JB: This society is relatively free vis a
vis the vast majority of humansocieties.
Sowhat though? That doesn't meanit's
~ free . It just means it's a little freer.
JE : I was just reading a recent Life
magazine, which hadan article ab out a
joint US-USSR fishing project . At one
point, the Russianship captaincame over
tothe Americanship for a visit anddrink.
The RussianandAmericanofficers were
talking ab out the differences in their two
societies. The Soviet officer made a
comment :"There's

only

one difference
b etweenour twosocieties
. You think you
are free, andwe know that we're not."
JB: How free is anyb ody? This goes b ack
to"free will" . Whenpeople are b orn, they
go through a process of socialization;
they're continually b omb ardedwith the
social values of their society . Sowhat does
freedom mean? You've internalizedall these
fucking values, does that mean you're
free? The only people whoare really free
are those whoare b reaking away from
their socialization. They are slightly free,
b ecause they're aware they have b een
b rainwashed, andare making a conscious
effort tob reak through it.
JE
: It's a lonely route togotoo.
JB: Yeah, inthis society everyb ody thinks
you're a "fucking commie" if youchallenge
it
. Or you're a "capitalist" in the Soviet
Union.
JE : As yousaid, we don't evenknow the
definitionof what is freedom . Free todo
what? Anything? Or dowe have certain
social repressions for the commongood?
JB : We have social responsib ilities.
WS : Youcanstick greenb eans inyour ear
if youwant.
JE
: Andthey justify video cameras to
"protect society . "
JB
: Andb uildweapons of mass destruction
to"protect our freedom
."
WS : What we are b ecoming is a vast
armory, b uilt aroundnothingness
. We've
Sovietizedourselves, taking money from
the center to"protect" the peripheries.
TY
: There is a tendency to learn from
one's enemy . The Israelis learneda lot
from the Nazis, the Americans learnedfrom
the Nazis andRussians, etc.
JB
: At the endof WWII, we recruiteda lot
of Nazis to help our own intelligence
services develop against the new "Soviet
menace
." A lot of Ukranians, etc, who
were war criminals, responsib le for mass
killings under Germandomination
. That
leads toanother area, which is how this
whole "specializationof knowledge" has led
people, who can't acquire all this
information for themselves, to look to
others, to"experts"
. Andwhoare these
"experts"? They are usually people
interestedin supporting the status quo.
That's how they got tob e high-powered
"experts".
WS
: Here's a quote from the historianJohn
Kenneth Galb raith: "By taking decisions
away from individuals andlocating them
deeply

within

the

techno-structure,
I
t e chn olog y plan n in g t hus r e move s t he m
fr omt he in flue n ce of out s ide r s . " W e have
n o con t r ol ove r t hin g s t hat mat t e r
. A n d
R e ag an is n o mor e t he P r e s ide n t t han
Que e n E lizabe t hcon t r ols Gr e at B r it ain .
JB
: One thing we didn't mention b efore,
which is important, is that some people
I
think of those whowere involvedin the
Nazi era as

incredib ly

sadistic,

evil
I people . It wasn't that way
. Average people
were manipulatedintodoing totally hideous
things b ecause they deferredtosomeb ody
else's authority
. Most of them were just
unimaginative b ureaucrats with b oring,
I
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W S
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I
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SaoPaolo, Brazil, he hadb eenworking in
I
I
I
anautoplant for tenyears, same routine,
dull as hell
. That's why I think things
couldchange overnight--not years, b ut
weeks . Since somuch has b eendrilledinto
us from childhood, it's just waiting there
tob e tapped.
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A 5-song job that really does it! Most of AGENT
86 's
material is raunchy garage punk, b ut there's alsoa couple of
thrashers
. This group has b een struggling in the wilds of far
northernCalifornia for a while now, andit's gratifying tosee
that their efforts have finally paidoff
. Get their zine
(Counterpeace), too. (TY)
(Counterpeace--Box 4954--Arcata, CA 9552 1)
If the VOIDOIDS playednoisy thrash, this is what they
wouldhave soundedlike . DEATH ROW play very intense music
with unique vocals andlyrics
. Recommended. (TY)
(16 2 4 Enoree Ave .--Columb ia, S.C. 2 92 05)
DIMENSIONS - From All Dimensions LP
Listening tothis reissue, I'm sure the DIMENSIONS usedto
terrorize high school dances inthe Chicagosub urb s b ack inthe
swinging 6 0s
with their crude re-workings of yesterday's hits.
The songs, such as the KINKS' "I NeedYou," the STONES'
"Empty Heart," andthe RAIDERS' "Just Like Me," are all
familiar, b ut the DIMENSIONS' spirit makes them worth adding
toyour recordshelf. (CL)
(Eva/ F.G
.L.)
DROOLING IDIOTS - "WhenI Fall Down" cassette
This tape features mostly mid-tempomelodic hardcore, not
unlike the characteristic SoCal sound. The straight-ahead
rhythms, hard- hitting drumming, andcommittedvocals make
the DROOLING IDIOTS quite listenab le . (TY)
(16 13 BroadSt .--Paducah, KY 42 001)
EAT - "ScatteredWahooAction" cassette
Pop-punk cum rock from an oldFlorida b andthat has
already releasedtwo7 " records
. There's nothing tooexciting
here tomy ears
; get their vinyl if youcanfindit
. (TY)
(Jeterb oy--2 2 6 N
.E
. 5th A
ve .--Dania, FL 3 3 004)
BOY ELROY - This is Not Art LP
Some very intense Metal/ thrash in the fine Minnesota
traditionof HUSKER DU
. BOY ELROY certainly aren't imitative,
b ut there are certainnoticeab le similarities, which is O
.K. b y
me
. This disc is quite well-recorded, original, andvery
powerful
. (TY)
(His
Boy--13 96
Simpson--St
. Paul, MN
55108)
CHAPPAQUIDDICK 5 - "ElectionDay Tapes
"
cassette
A fairly professional anddistinctive effort for a b andthat
5
just came of nowhere
.

withCHv
APPAQ
UI
tempos, melodes,
very tight
punky

Depending on
the
numerous
cut,
ut, that approach
at

canb e a
mstrength or
'
a weakness
. (TY))
the
(16 0 SickletownRd
.--West Nyack, NY 10994)
DA STUPIDS - "Alien" cassette
Some g ood
ps ycho t hr as hn ois e w it hdis t in ct ive vocals ,
r e min is ce n t of t he M E A T P U P P E T S, t he B U T T H O L E SU R FE R S,
an dt he C R U C I FU C K S
. T he r e cor din g is fin e , an dit make s for
in t e r e s t in g lis t e n in g , but t he lyr ics ar e as g oofy as t he ir ban d
n ame in dicat e s
. ( T Y)
(Scott--9Butternut Rd
.--Westfield, MA 01085)
DEAD PLEDGE - "Don't SignUp" cassette
Some decent stop-and-gothrash with very good
the foothills ab ove Sacramento
. They've got that
Ginn guitar soundtoo, so slot of this is pretty
distorted. (TY)
(2 2 19Sunny Oak Dr.--Aub urn, CA
956 03 )
DREAM SYNDICATE - "Tell Me WhenIt's Over' 12 " EP
This U.K
.-only release offers the title cut (takenfrom their
LP) andthree live tracks
. I've heardthem play a lot wilder
than this
. "Tell Me . . . "
presents the b andin one of their
earliest andprob ab ly tamest performances, as if they're afraid
they won't hear each other if they turnup the volume
. Soyou
gotta play this loudtomake any sense of it
. Here, they kiss
their garage b anddays goodb ye, andthe comparisontothe
VELVET UNDERGROUND holds less water
. Great liner notes,
though. (RF)
(RoughTrade)
Buzzsaw fuzzed-out guitars, pounding tom-toms, nimb le b ass
playing, echoey singing, sligl-tly metallish arrangements, and
"destroy the system" lyrics characterize the first release
b y
this Windsor, Ontariob and
. Most of the songs are more punk
than thrash, though the tempos dopick up at times
. This
recordhas it
'7 8 feel toit, which makes it a nice alternative.
(TY)
(Touch& Go--Box 7 15--Maumee, OH 43 53 7 )
FR E E ZE - L an dof t he L os t L P
One of Boston's most inventive andaware punk outfits, the
FREEZE
connect onthis alb um with a clutch of viciously satiric
youthanthems . Land. .
. is chock-full of cleverly writtenmelodic
thrashers (all superb y produced), b ut
"Megawaki Cult" andthe
hilarious "FoodLava" rate as my favorites due totheir sheer
kinetic ab andon
. Toohysterical andwildtob e true! (SS)
(ModernMethod--2 6 8 Newb ury St
.--Boston, MA 02 116 )
GAY COWBOYS IN BONDAGE - "We're not Gay, b ut the Music
Is" cassette
The talk of Florida, these adolescent people come across in
the funnypunk garage tradition. Their music is mostly in the
PISTOLS andMODERN LOVERS vein [ Huh?--ed.], with
dashes of Country & Westernandthrash. (TY)
( E . N ot hin g --6 290
N . W
. 26 t hSt
. --Sun r is e , FL 3331 3)
These guys have a great cruching garage punk andthrash
soundhere, andthey come downhardlyrically onmiddle class
mores andprob lems ranging from the effects of Reaganomics to
psychiatric conditioning
. The productionis hot, andthe record
comes with all sorts of weirdinserts. (TY)
vocals from
early Greg
gnarly and
GYNECOLOGISTS - "RonandNancy" cassette
If youever heardtheir classic "Sex Orgy with the Bradee
Bunch" from anearlier EP, thenyouknow what a great garage
punk b andthe GYNECOLOGISTS are
. On this tape, the crank
out tenmore growling, grungy slices of Midwest dementia
. (TY)
(Gravelvoice--P
.O
. Box 2 2 7 1--Bloomington, IN 47 402 )
PAJAMA SLAVE DANCERS - "All Youcan
Eat
cassette
More weirdpunk rock from westernMassachusetts, where
kids seem tob e without a care inthe world
. Lyrics aside, this
("The
mostly
Lat unstartling Man") twhchsisfquitetuniquedalnd
e
memorab le
.
(TY)
(J
. Long--10 BeldenDr
.--Westfield, MA
01085)
PARIS IN THE SPRING - "Butcher Dolly" cassette
This 5-song demomay eventually appear onvinyl
. It's got
hardcore intensity, b ut slowed-down, ominous instrumentation.
PARIS are almost FLIPPERish, especially inthe vocal soundand
lyrical darkness . (TY)
($1 & b lank tae toOos--6 405 Meldon--Mentor, OH
4406 0)
REMAINS - Live in
Boston LP
These tapes have b eenrumoredtoexist (andb eenlost) for
years, b ut, miracle of miracles, atlast they've b eenlocatedand
pressed
. The REMAINS were perhaps the hottest U
.S
. b andof
the British Invasion type in the
6 0's,
yet never got the
recognitionthey deservedandsplit up
. This alb um showcases
their strong points--early Jaggeresque vocals, soaring punky
guitar work, andanincredib le rhythm section
; only one track,
the b luesy "Gonna Move," is b oring
. (TY)
(F.G.L
.--15 Rue de I'Amiral Roussin--7 5015 Paris--FRANCE)
SAVAGE
BELIEFS - "The Moral Efficiency of. . .
." EP
Speedy garage grunge from ChicagoonA
.O.F .'s new lab el.
Although SAVAGE BELIEFS' material is real primitive, b oth
production-wise andstructurally, I have a certainweakness for
that type of thing
. The lyrics make some clever social
ob servations, andb oth "Pink Shirt" and"Big Big Sky" have
special appeal
. Listenb efore youb uy . (JB)
(Wasteland--P.O
. Box 57 8155--Chicago, IL 6 06 57 -81149)
ISM - A Diet for the Worms LP
More warpo thrash andpunk from this weirdcomb o,
featuring some b izarre arrangements, pianos, andsynths.
Musically, it all comes together rather thanb eing disjointedand
annoying, b ut the lyrics leave alot tob e desired
. Their earlier
humorous approach has given way to some downright
reactionary sentiments in songs like "White, Straight, and
Male ." Toob ad. (TY)
(S .I .N.--P.O
. Box 2 53 --OaklandGardens, NY 113 6 4)
KATATONIX- "Valentine's Day" EP
A loudgarage punk b andfrom Maryland. The title song here
is a chestnut, with its sneering vocals, dense guitars, and
ultra- b asic rock 'n' roll structure ; "Basket Case" is similarly
downanddirty
. For fans of crudeness . (JB)
($3 toKatatonix--814 8th St ., Apt. 2 02 --Laurel, MD 2 07 07 )
MISFITS - Earth A
.D. LP
In contrast totheir former grandiose '7 7 -style punk, the
MISFITS have adoptedanall-out thrash soundonthis intense
9-track alb um
. Nevertheless, their traditional horror-rock
trappings remain, resulting ina consistently powerful, dynamic,
andpolitically neutral effort
. Andon that level, the
compositions here are marvellously effective, emb odying the
b listering speedandthunderous production values which
complement their occult themes
. (SS)
(Plan9--P
.O
. Box 3 112 --GrandCentral Stn
.N.Y., NY 1016 3 )
SLICKEE BOYS - Cyb ernetic Dreams of Pi LP
These guys have b eenat it since at least '7 6 (whenthey
releasedtheir first EP), andthey continue toproduce some of
the greatest garage/ 6 0's punk/ psychedelia ever
. This latest
effort contains a few tracks off recent compilations andEPs,
b ut most are new andexhilarating
. It may b e too "pop" for
some, b ut there's a real b ite underneath that format
. (TY)
(Twin/ Tone--445 Oliver Ave
. So
.--Minneapolis, MN 55405)
JERRY'S KIDZ - "This is Alb uquerque, not Boston" EP
I know its gonna b e hardtokeep track of another b and
namedJERRY'S KIDZ, eventhough this one formedfirst and
ends with the letter "z
." It's doub ly difficult since b oth are
tight, ferocious thrash b ands
. Got the picture? Now get the
record. (TY)
(D
. Duran--3 52 7 EasternS .E.--Alb uquerque, NM 87 106 )
KILLROY - "99Bottles" EP
Shouting andscreaming, lunging out with harmonious
melodies andmusical chording at foot-stomping speed, KILLROY
charge forth
. A southern Cal outfit that definitely pushes
forwardchanting energy with twincrooners, thumping drums,
andan overall soundthat will remindyou of rejoicing
Englishmenlike the COCKNEY REJECTS or L
.A.'s YOUTH
BRIGADE andADOLESCENTS
. (Pus)
(Ghetto-Way--52 2 3 ComercioAve
.--WoodlandHills, CA 913 6 4)
MISTAKEN IDENTITY - "Gomer Pyle" cassette
A fun-orientedSouth Bay b unch emerge with a
rough-sounding 14-song tape . Although there's nonew ground
b rokenhere--just some sub urb ankids thrashing ab out intheir
garage tothings like "Gomer . ." and"Drunk Fight"--there's alot
of cool guitar work . (TY)
(3 7 91 WellingtonSq
.--SanJose, CA 9513 6 )
MOURNING NOISE - "Dawnof the Dead" EP
I'm not sure why, b ut I didn't think I'dlike this
. So
imagine my surprise whenit turnedout tob e a unique amalgam
with semi-thrash tempos, sung vocals inthe N
.Y. style (like
the MISFITS andthe UNDEAD), horror imagery, synthesized
soundeffects, anda real fuzzed-out guitar b acking
. A sharp
EP that b reaks the moldb y effectively mixing andmatching
styles
. (JB)
($2 toNightlatche c/ oS
. Zing--1C MarionPepe Dr
.--Lodi, NJ
07 6 44)
SLUGLORDS - "Trails of Slime" 12 " EP
Not your standardthrash fare b y any means, b ut thrash
nonetheless . Comb ining lightning fast andsuper-tight rhythms,
vicious leads, andoutfront singing (fine b ack-ups too), these
SLUGS b laze their way ontothe punk scene
. Guitarist Steve
DeMartis (ex-BAD POSTURE, andb ass sub for a FLIPPER
tour), a real vet of the scene, b rings his metalish (b ut not
grossly so) roots into play, which make this deb ut b oth
professional anddistinctive
. A goodone . (TY)
(Slime--12 1 Capp St--S .F
., CA 94110)
THREE O'CLOCK - SixteenTamb ourines LP
A classic case of a b andsoftening up with age . It's toob ad,
'cause it's not like they can't pull out the stops if they want
(as in "Jet Fighter") . This isn't psychedelic music, b ut that
prettier 6 0's paisley pop that degeneratedintothe "Up with
People" movement . I'm certain that they won't get that lame,
b ut if they think their SALVATION ARMY periodwas kidstuff,
thenmoderncorporate Rock has a new group tochew up and
spit out . (RF)
(Frontier--P.O. Box 2 2 --SunValley, CA 913 52 )
MORBID OPERA - "Jesus Loves You. .
.Give us your Money" EP
The eerie, discordant compositions onthis EP call tomind
girl- b ands like the SLITS andthe RAINCOATS, b ut MORBID
OPERA have their own variedmusical styles anddistinctly
Americanlyric concerns
. Most of these six tracks are quirky
andunusual, b ut "Liar" prob ab ly ranks as my favorite
. The
open-mindedwill undoub tedly findmuch of interest on this
garagy andoriginal release . (SS)
(Sub lapse--P.O
. Box 6 10906 --NorthMiami, FL 3 3 2 6 1)
TEENAGE WARNING - "Thoughts of War" cassette
A 7 -song demowith excellent lyrics
. It's on the raw side
sound- wise, b ut otherwise it's a fairly dynamic representation
of this exciting new thrash comb o
. I hope they put out some
vinyl soon. (TY)
(Todd--42 4 OxfordSt .--Hayward, CA 94541)
10000 HURTS - "Punishment
" EP
Goofy old-style punk with a pronouncedgarage flavor.
"Punishment"
has a heavy guitar attack, silly male/ female
b acking vocals, andsome Metal-damage
dleads
; "In Crisis" is a
short fast cut with screams anda fuzzier guitar tone
. A fun
deb ut from a new SoCal b and
. (JB)
(Club -O-Manics--
1149 3 / 4 N
. La
Brea--Hollywood,
CA
90048)
OFFENDERS - We Must Reb el LP
The spiritedthrash attack onthis alb um recalls the work of
the very b est Texas b ands, andreveals lyric concerns which
mine a b lendof youthful outrage andreb ellion
. "Fight Back"
andthe LP's title song rate as my favorites, b ut the entire
recorddemonstrates remarkab le consistency--a factor inno
small part due tothe wild, raucous production
. Anexciting and
distinctive release . (SS)
(R Radical--805 Norwalk--Austin, TX7 87 03 )
U .S.A
. TODAY - "Freedom isn't Free" cassette
Some
ve r y in t e llig e n t an dimag in at ive t hr as hfr omaban dof
C olor ado colle g e s t ude n t s
. N ame daft e r t hat pat he t ic e xcus e for
an at ion al n e w s pape r , t he s e g uys pr ove d--t he y s plit upaft e r
g r aduat in g --t hat har dcor e can be bot hin cis ive an de n e r g e t ic.
( T Y)
($3 or b lank tape andpostage toJ
. Sangster--4419Freemont
Ave .--Seattle, WA
98103 )
UNITED MUTATION - "Fugitive Family
. . ." EP
A truly amazing record
. UNITED MUTATION have comb ined
the speedandintensity of b asic thrash with some highly
distinctive structural changes, a couple of nasty guitar leads,
andthe scariest vocals I've heardin a long time
. Today's
trendy horror rockers will crap their pants andgo into
convulsions whenthey the singer's raspy growl, which b ears a
striking resemb lance tothat of the demoninThe Exorcist
. (JB)
(Dischord/ D
.S.T.--P.O.
Box
3 46 --DunnLoring, VA 2 2 02 7 )
VARIOUS ARTISTS - Hipsville 2 9B.C
. LP
A personal favorite
. What's nice ab out this new compilation,
b esides the usual amazing ob scure groups like the SPARKLES,
the WHAT- NOTS, the HANGMEN OF FAIRFIELD COUNTY, etc
.,
is that it shows just how widespreadthe 6 0's garage revolution
actually was
. For example, includedare the Kings of Wimp, the
COWSILLS, with their intense "All I Wanta Be is Me," and
BEAVER (Jerry Mather, the Beav) & THE TRAPPERS
'
"Happiness is Havin'
." I wonder what Wardthought of this
longhair nonsense! Anaddedplus are the twotracks b y the
VAGRANTS from Long Island
. (CL)
(Kramden, noaddress)
VARIOUS ARTISTS - "Townwithout Pity" cassette
"Underground" b ands from Tucson, volume 2 . This runs the
gamut from arty to wimpy, b ut has a healthy helping of
neo-6 0's psych andgarage b ands like the HECKLERS, ROTE
KAPELLA, andYARD TRAUMA (yea!) tomake it all worthwhile.
(TY)
(Iconoclast Intl.--4447 E . EastlandSt .--Tucson, AZ 857 11)
VARIOUS ARTISTS - BarricadedSuspects LP
A shitloadof b ands from the far corners of the U.S. and
Canada
sub mittedtheir tapes, andthese are the
results--eighteen groups playing a variety of punkish styles
(punk, garage, thrash, noise, post-punk)
. Some of the
virgin-to-vinyl b ands are RED TIDE, the KNOCKABOUTS,
SEPTIC DEATH, DULL, the MASSACRE GUYS, B.I .U., DECRY,
ABSCESS, andMAD PARADE . The alb um comes with a b ooklet
anda Pusheadcover . (TY)
(Toxic Shock--Box
2 42 --Pomona, CA 917 6 9)
VARIOUS ARTISTS - The ChosenFew, vol . 1 LP
This compilation of 6 0's sounds has b een an instant hit
among experts of the genre, andfor goodreason. The quality
of the material is uniformly high, from the opening numb er b y
the GONN tothe closing one b y THEE WYLDE MAIN-IACS
. Most
of the b ands here possessedthe knack for creating a mad
mixture of mind-b lowing psychedelia andteenage garage punk.
Pay close attention tothe TIDES IN, the SHAMES, andthe
aforementionedWYLDE MAIN-IACS . (CL)
(Go-Go, noaddress)
VARIOUS ARTISTS - High Times inthe Mid-Sixties, vols 1-3
LPs
Three amazing alb ums that chronicle the exciting musical
history of the L.A
. youth underground. Volume 1 (196 5)
presents the raw 6 0's
punk soundthat once b lew my young
mind, andincludes such items as the b lasting COLONY classic,
"All I Want," andthe neanderthal sneer of the AVENGERS' "Be
a Cave Man;" volume 2 (196 6 )
features some overt anti-police
teen protests b y TERRY RANDALL andthe "PEOPLE OF
SUNSET STRIP" that'll strike a familiar chordamong
contemporary punks
; volume 3 (196 7 ) offers a mixture of trippy
"flower power" cuts andnasty psychedelic punkers like the
HUMAN EXPRESSION's "Every Night
." Anddig KIM FOWLEY's
philosophizing on"The CanyonPeople
." This stuff transcends
nostalgia andserves as a timely reminder that cultural reb ellion
didn't originate in197 7
. Highly recommended. (JB)
(Archive International Productions, noaddress)
WIPERS - Over the Edge LP
The WIPERS have put out twoother alb ums anda several
7 "ers since 197 8, yet they continue togolargely unrecognized.
I don't know why, b ecause they've always turnedout great
material straddling the fine line b etweenpunk and6 0's rock 'n'
roll (not unlike the REPLACEMENTS, the MICRONOTZ, and
A .O.F.)
. Here, they againpoundout tasteful guitar-oriented
rockers that just grow andgrow onyou. Try it. (TV)
(Trap/ Braineater--Box J--IslandPark, NY
11558)
YARD TRAUMA - Some People/ NoConclusions"
YARD TRAUMA, featuring Tucsontroub lemakers Lee Joseph
andLance Kaufman, have managedtocapture the essence and
energy of 6 0's garage psychedelia onthis single
. With a strong,
upb eat, even danceab le b ass line andan electric organ for
flavor, they exhib it considerab le madness
. Goodwork
. (RS)
(Dionysus
c/ oIconoclast Intl
.)
VARIOUS ARTISTS - "Nice andLoud" EP
Another goodBig City compilation
. One side consists of New
York b ands (NO CONTROL, DISORDERLY CONDUCT, and
ULTRAVIOLENCE)
; the other features groups from Connecticut
(REFLEXFROM PAIN, C
.I .A
., andthe VATICAN
COMMANDOS)
. Even though these aren't the b est tracks b y
these b ands, they're all goodthrashers
. The great songs b y
NO CONTROL andthe V
. COMMANDOS definitely make this
recordworth checking out. (RS)
(Big City--2 3 2 9Vance St
.--Bronx, NY
1046 9)
VARIOUS ARTISTS - Back from the Grave, vol
. 2 LP
For my money, the most essential 6 0's compilations b eside the
Peb b les series andNuggets are the twoBack from the Grave
coollections . Unlike other releases, there's never any psychedelic
sounds, just primoteenage punk servedup with plenty of
guts, enthusiasm, andanger . Reams couldb e writtenab out
classics onthis alb um like the UNRELATED SEGMENTS' "Cry,
Cry, Cry," the BANSHEES' "They Prefer Blondes," the
LYRICS' "They Can't Hurt Me," and"The Crusher" b y the
NOVAS
. Not a duff cut, b ut plenty of fuzz . Truly amazing.
(CL)
(Cr t, noaddress)
VARIOUS ARTISTS - "Burger Corpse" cassette
Most of the current b atch of younger Minnesota b ands are
representedhere with a few tracks each
. "Burger Corpse"
contains garage punk, thrash, noise, andstyles inb etween,
andincludes groups like GROUND ZERO, CHURCH PICNIC, the
HYPSTERZ, BOY ELROY, andSKELTER HELTER. The sound
quality is pretty goodfor this type of thing . (TV)
(Lee Engele--7 6 7 Pierce Butler Rte
.--St. Paul, MN 55104)
VARIOUS ARTISTS - What a Way toDie LP
Here's a wild6 0's garage punk compilationthat'll livenup
any party . There are plenty of frantic rockers here, b ut what
makes it a vital purchase are songs like RICHARD & THE
YOUNG LIONS' powerful "YouCanMake It," "I'm Gone" b y the
MAGIC MUSHROOMS, andthe title track, anearly B-side from
the PLEASURE SEEKERS, anall-womenb andwho'drather drink
b eers thanhang out with the guys . Neat stuff. (CL)
(Satan--Box 13 13 --HELL)
VARIOUS ARTISTS - TraintoDisaster LP
This neo-psych compilationis more out inleft fieldthanthe
Reb el Kindcollection, b ut what it gains inweirdness it loses in
raw power
. There are some 6 0's punkish sides (the LEFT--who
are great--YARD TRAUMA, andBILLY SYNTH)
; some b luesy
sides (SPLIT, the DOOTZ)
; a poppy side (the SLICKEE BOYS);
andthe predominant way-out psychedelic sides (the MAD
VIOLETS, BEN WAN, BEATNIK FLY, the VELVET MONKEYS,
andthe LAST POETS)
. Despite its lighter overall punch, this
alb um has its moments
. (JB & TY)
(Bona Fide--P
.O
. Box 185--RedLion, PA 17 3 56 )
VATICAN COMMANDOS - "Just a Frisb ee" EP
Another poorly-recordedV. COMMANDOS EP, b ut that's
where the similarities with their deb ut release end. Whereas the
first consistedentirely of goodb asic thrash, this new record
showcases a much slower, garage-orientedpunk style
(excepting "Let DownAgain") . I like it, b ut the muddy sound
againdetracts from this group's overall impact . (JB)
($2 .50 toJ. Spadaccini- 84 Gardiner St .--Darien, CT
06 82 0)
VARIOUS ARTISTS - "Juke Box #1" cassette
A mixedb ag of punk (very little), rockab illy, post-punk,
b lues rock, etc
. CRANK are the only real standout. (TY)
(Jeterb oy--2 2 6 N.E. 5th Ave .--Dania, FL
3 3 004)
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DEAD MAN'S SHADOW - "Another Year / One Man's Crusade"
This single won't win any awards for power, b ut it's still
rather engaging in an inoffensive sort of
way .
The melodic
"One Man's Crusade" has evocative lyric concerns andcatchy
guitar progressions, b ut neither of the mid-tempotracks here
b oast of any of DEAD MAN'S SHADOW's former ab rasiveness or
aggression
. For fans of sub duedpop-punk
. (SS)
(Criminal Damage--91 Swansea Rd--Reading RG1 8HA)
DESTRUCTORS - "Cry Havoc
" 12 " EP
It looks like this really will b e the last from these guys
. I've
always admiredtheir simple, dreary, andrepetitive style, as
well as their doub le guitar sound
. Although their cover of "I
Wanna Be Your Dog" is uninspiring, andthe introto"Nerve
Gas" sounds like a Lydon rip-off, the rest is fine
. "Khmer
Rouge Boogie" is a great song . (RS)
(Criminal Damage--91 Swansea Rd
.--Reading R6 1 8HA--ENG)
DISCHARGE - "The Price of Silence/ BorntoDie inthe Gutter"
DISCHARGE's patentedwall-of-noise guitar soundseems
inextricab ly entwinedwith severe heavy metal influences onthis
single, which admittedly has its moments of power
. But those
tasteless leadb reaks, comb inedwith utterly lame HM vocals,
help make these twomedium speedofferings as disappointing as
their recent 12 " effort
. Adequate lyrics, b ut they can't save
the show
. (SS)
(Clay)
EJECTED - "Press The Button" EP
Although this EP lacks the clever humor of past efforts, The
EJECTED have optedfor a resonant, b assy guitar soundto
infuse their extremely catchy punk compositions . Of the three
tracks, "Russians" and"2 4 Years" containespecially melodic
instrumentals, andalthough this isn't terrib ly vitriolic, it makes
up for its lack of emotion with finesse andgoodarranging.
Goodb asic record
. (SS)
(Riot City)
EXPLOITED - Let's Start a War saidMaggie One Day LP
Despite the confusioncausedb y their apparent change of
attitude, andthe hostility justifiab ly arousedb y their rip-off of
Pushead
'
s artwork for the cover, the EXPLOITED crank out
some gruff, b listering thrash onside 1 of their new alb um
. The
other side is a lot weaker, b ut EXPLOITED fans will surely find
this a worthwhile release
. (JB)
(Pax--P.O
. Box 3 --Sheffield--ENGLAND)
G.B.H
. - City Bab y's Revenge LP
While the highly ab rasive, metallic soundof this alb um has
its own reb ellious charm, most of the songs veer toward
undistinctiveness, a prob lem traceab le tothe lack of musical
changes of pace, andvocals which eventually b ecome tiresome.
Nonetheless, I enjoyedthe stormier numb ers like "Diplomatic
Immunity" andespecially "Rally of Death," as well as some of
the more inventive guitar figures on the mid-tempocuts.
Definitely a mixedb ag
. (SS)
(Cla )
HAGAR THE WOMB - "The Wordof the Womb " 12 " EP
Musically, the six tracks on this intriguing EP are
reminiscent of early KLEENEX, b ut the womeninthis b and
possess anencouraging independence of thought which other
punk outfits shouldpay attentionto
. While hardcore fans will
surely findfavor with the rich guitar soundandsome
fascinating compositions, HAGAR THE WOMB couldimprove some
of their melodies b y deviating from the tonic of their chord
progressions
. (SS)
(Mortarhate--P.O
. Box 448--Eltham--LondonSE9--ENGLAND)
This deb ut comb ines a garage recording, psychedelia, and
an early U.K. punk soundwith a modernanarchist stance . It
has spunk andscathing, cynical lyrics. Not exceptional, b ut
raw andspirited. (RS)
(Creative Reality)
IMPACT - "Punk Christmas" EP
IMPACT's undistinctive b randof skunk lacks any discernab le
punch, andthat ab sence of power hurts the title cut, an
otherwise fast andengaging original with loads of X-mas cheer.
Of the twosongs onthe flipside, "Law of the Land" musters
some spunk andenergy b ut, quite frankly, I expectedmore
from this lackluster offering . (SS)
(Cyanide)
OMEGA TRIBE - "Live" cassette
A must for OMEGA TRIBE fans. The productionisn't great,
b ut this tape includes most of their classic punk stuff (like
"Profiteer" and"My Tears") rather thantheir later psychedelic
material . Since there's little chance of seeing them live again
now that they've b rokenup, this release is as close as youcan
get . Recommended. (RS)
(Big Banana--90 Grange Dr
.--Swindon--Wilts 5N3 4LD--ENG)
OPPRESSED - "Work Together/ Victims"
The newest release b y these English Oi-sters stands head
andshoulders ab ove their deb ut EP
. The lyrics have made a
3 6 0turnfrom a focus onviolence tocalls for interracial unity,
andthe music is much improvedas well
. "Victims" is a strong
fast Oi numb er, b ut the slower flipside, with its staggered
anthemic chorus, is tops here
. (JB)
(Oppressed)
TOY DOLLS - "Alfie from the Bronx/ Hanky Panky"
More funnypunk from these jokers
. I don't like this one
quite as much as some of their previous records, though the
vocal symphony onthe A-side is delicious
. The flip (not the
TOMMY JAMES song) sounds like a JILTED JOHN outtake andis
appropriately
ridiculous. (TY)
( Volume )
VIBRATORS - "MXAmerica/ Shadow Love"
Back againwith a fervor . This is what got me listening to
punk in the first place--powerful, unrelenting rock 'n' roll.
"MXAmerica" is a great song with heavy production, good
lyrics, a b reathtaking b ass line, anda drum b eat that wacks
youupside the head; the weaker B-side is more of a b allad.
Pick it up anyway
. (RS)
(R.A.M.)
VICE SQUAD - "Black Sheep/ New Blood"
Beki Bondage
may adopt any pose inher efforts tob ecome a
rock star, b ut there's nodenying that the new VICE SQUAD
single is anexcellent one
. Infact, it's their b est release since
their first two EPs. "Black Sheep" is a melodic mid-tempo
numb er that's right up Jack Rab id's alley ; the flip is a more
rhythmic cut with haunting Gregorian-style b ackgroundchants.
(JB)
(Anagram)
VIOLATORS - "Die With Dignity" 12 " EP
This 6 -track EP contains material primarily from past singles
andcompilations, b ut it nonetheless represents some of the
highlights from this skunk outfit's intruiging career
. "Die With
Dignity" andthe classic "Gangland" epitomize the VIOLATORS'
highly dramatic, accesib le style--soif you don't have the
original releases, you shouldfindfavor with this inventive
release
. (SS)
(NoFuture)
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APPENDIX- "Huora" EP
Some of the well-knownFinnish thrash b ands are running
out of ideas andgetting more and
more generic, b ut APPENDIX
are not one of them
. This tremendous EP maintains the
diversify andpanache of their fine alb um
. "Huora" is a tense
medium-speedtrack, andb oth songs onthe B-side are terrific
thrashers with hooks and/ or singalong choruses
. Don't overlook
this. (JB)
(Propaganda--Box
3 93 00101 Helsinki 10--FINLAND)
ARROGANTA AGITATORER - "Arrogans" EP
Another hot new Swedish release . I must confess that I
think Sweden has a higher proportion of killer thrash b ands
than any other country these days, andARROGANTA
AGITATORER are among them
. Along with the standard
adrenaline instrumental attack, they produce some damngood
hummab le tunes andchoruses . Sendaway today . (JB)
(Dishonor--Flyb jarsv . 402 --2 6 0 3 3 Paarp--SWEDEN)
BITTER PEACE - "UnexplainedPain" cassette
Classic, well-recordedthrash with excellent lyrics
. The
hallmarks here are the solidguitar work andthe unusually
gruff vocals . A goodb uy . (TY)
(114 E
. GerardSt
.--Winnipeg, Manitob a--CANADA R3 L 2 G1)
BRIGADES - "Bomb s 'n' Blood'n' Capital" 12 " EP
The BRIGADES seem to b e one of the few
politically-concernedb ands inFrance, andsongs like "(There
are) NoCommunists in the Kremlin" and"State-Controlled
Paranoia" show considerab le awareness
. But the music, which is
miredinthe mid-periodCLASH tradition, doesn't dothe lyrics
justice
. Aside from some shimmering guitar work andan
occasional strong song (like the aforementioned"
. .
.Paranoia"
and"Saturday Night Murder"), this EP is pretty uninspiring.
(JB)
(Rock Radicals
; $8 toBunker Records--1 Rue Lakanal--3 8000
Grenob le--FRANCE)
BLITZKRIEG - Complete Disarmament LP
Another BLITZKRIEG, this time from Holland. Swift, angry
sonic b ooms of grating tantrums
. Grotesque guttural growls
b ackedb y a b ellicose b arrage of exerting persistance,
crunching guitars, andvigorous drum crashings . A ticking
clock tocks b etweeneach numb er as BLITZKRIEG's climactic
expressionmoves from rapidtoevenly-pacedaggression
. (Pus)
(Manikaal, noaddress)
CHRONIC SUBMISSION - "Sick of Reality" cassette
There are some rippers on this tape, b ut C . SUBMISSION
mainly produce mid-tempopunk . The high-quality recording
highlights the guitarist's fine licks . (TY)
(440 Lakefront--Toronto, Ontario--CANADA M4E 1A8)
CANI - "Guai a Voi" EP
A new Italian b andthat reminds me a lot musically of a
rawer EXPLOITED
. I meanthat inthe positive sense, b ecause
CANI have a growling singer, doub le-trackedguitar power, and
the kindof singalong tunes youcanhave funjoining inwith.
The lyrics concernimportant issues, as is commonwith Italian
groups
. (JB)
(Dischi Storti, dist
. b y S. Rob erto)
CHEETAH CHROME MOTHERFUCKERS/ I REFUSE IT - cassette
Now releasedin the U
.S
., these excellent Italian b ands
provide further proof that Italy is producing some of the most
exciting andpowerful hardcore b ands around
. The sound
quality is excellent, soeach group has the opportunity toreally
kick ass . C.C.M
.F . '
s "400 Fascists"
is a minor classic
. (TY)
(Affirmation--P
.O
. Box 3 02 53 --Indianapolis, IN 46 2 2 0)
CONCRETE - "Predictions" cassette
A morb id, metallish melange meets a mental b reakdownina
dark b asement
. Not unlike horror rock insoundandcontent (if
the translatedtitles are accurate), it's a b leak scene generated
b y Johnny Concrete andfriends
. If you like that genre, this is
a well-done example
. (TY)
(NoAarhus--Postb ox
3 --83 81
Mundelstrup--DENMARK)
D .O.A. - Bloodiedb ut Unb owedLP
This is prob ab ly the last D.O.A. release I'm going tolike,
soI decidedtoreview it as a gesture of friendship andrespect
for a b andthat's made some great music andraiseda lot of
people's consciousnesses throughout the years . Bloodied. . . is a
retrospective greatest hits alb um featuring re-mixedversions of
material culledfrom most of their earlier (now out of print) 7 "
records andLPs, soit serves a very valuab le purpose . Anda
lot of classic stuff is on here--from "The Prisoner" to"World
War III"--soit wouldb e positively stupidnot topick it up if
younever got the originals
. If youcanfindHardcore '83 --their
finest hour--grab it; otherwise, this is essential . (JB)
(C.D.--12 3 0 Grant Ave ., Suite 53 1--S.F ., CA 9413 3 )
DE JEUGD VAN TEGENWOORDIG - "Onze Toe Komst?" EP
A rifling b lizzardfrom Belgium rivets intointense b olts of
heavy turb ulence, jumping outwardwith immediate attacks of
noise, insistence, andmaniac b rilliance
. Emergent guitar leads
andvolleys of frenziedvocal clamoring thrust out flames of
flooding fury andignite this explosive comb ustionof harmonious
Belgianpunk
. (Pus)
(RoadRunner--Oude Dorpsweg 2 1A--82 02 Varsenare--BELGIUM)
HORDE - "Gogol Premier" 12 " EP
La HORDE have gaineda lot of notoriety in France b y
peddling 7 7 -style punk shock value
; one of the songs here
("Adolph monamour") was reputedly b annedonFrench radio
for its exaggeratedNazi imagery. Nevertheless, this
superficially offensive recordseems pretty harmless b y today's
standards
. The music includes catchy "classical" punk ("Ce
nest pas un prob leme", "Adolph
. . .", and"Mesdames
. . ."),
tongue-in-cheek post-punk ("Les punks africains"), goofy
political raps ("Campaigne Presidentielle"), anda satirical disco
tune . Entertaining . (JB)
($7 toBunker)
HOUSE OF COMMONS - "Patriot" 12 " EP
HOUSE OF COMMONS play a mixture of punk andthrash,
andhave great lyrics to b oot. The echoey, gruff vocals,
atypical guitar work, solidrhythm section, andpowerful
productionmake for a fine deb ut. (TY)
(Box #17 5--StationA--Vancouver, B.C.--CANADA V6 C 2 M3 )
LA SOURIS DEGLINGUEE - LP
A mediocre b andthat mixes mod, punk, pop, reggae, and
traditional rock 'n' roll elements. The overall effect isn't very
exciting, though there are a couple of driving, melodic songs
which click (like "Coeur de Bouddha" and"Salue les copains").
This recordmight have made a splash in '7 8 or '7 9, b ut
nowadays it just doesn't holdup . (JB)
(New Rose--7 Rue Pierre Sarrazin--7 5006 Paris--FRANCE)
MORAL DEMOLITION / ZYKLOME A - "Repression" EP
Manic explosions of b lasting Belgianhardcore that fracture
the soundb arrier . ZYKLOME A quickly plummet intothe realm
of thundering chaotic excitement, as a frantic tearing guitar
levigates the eardrums. If that assault isn't enough, flip this
monster 7 " over andprepare for MORAL DEMOLITION
. Zooming
b rain-b listering speedb reaks out intoa rampage of devastating
headlong exhilaration. Tongue- tying vocal rushes zeroin on
this thrash treasure, and"Killer Cops" b rings downthe house.
Just when you thought it was safe, along comes fantastic
Belgianhardcore . Thanks toBart . (Pus)
(Punk Etc.--Mottestraat 12 --187 0 Wolvertem--BELGUIM
R .A.S . - "Rien'a signaler" EP
Oi from France. Although derivative from a stylistic
standpoint, this EP has anappealing garage quality
. The songs
are almost evenly dividedb etweenmid-temponumb ers andreal
fast singalongs
. I prefer the latter, especially "Chasse
I'Homme ." (JB)
(R.A.S. ; $3 toBunker)
i
RAZOR BLADES/ FLERE DODE PANSERE -"Forhadt Ungdom" EP
These twob ands thrash tothe max, although they are a b it
raggedaroundthe edges. But that sloppiness is more than
made up for b y their intensity andexcitement . FLERE have a
wailing female vocalist, the RAZOR BLADES a gruff male
singer; b oth have hot guitarists andplenty of potential . (TY)
(DK Decay:-Tietgens Alle 118--52 3 0 Odense M--DENMARK)
S .S. KIDS - "Chemical War" EP
The most thrashed-out French group I've heard. Songs like
the title cut and"Why Not" have a drum-heavy rhythmic
emphasis, while others (especially "Disorder") really rip . The
music is pretty hot ; toob adab out the stupidshock value b and
name
. (JB)
($3 toBunker)
S .S. ULTRABRUTAL - Monstren, Mummen, MutationenLP
With a name like S
.S. ULTRABRUTAL, I at least expectedan
ultra-hardcore sound, b ut it was not tob e foundanywhere
here . They shouldchange their name toS
.S . ULTRAWIMPY,
b ecause most of this is b oring '7 7 ish stuff with a flat guitar
tone andfew
goodhooks . There are a couple of strong songs
(like "12 3 6 Y-Atom"), b ut not enough tomake this alb um
worthwhile . (JB)
(WeirdSystem--Lange Reihe 101--2 000 HH 1--W
. GERMANY)
SHOTGUN SOLUTION - "Shotgun" EP
Frantically-pacedthrash, with traces of metal guitar and
structures, andwildvocals. This b andexhib its
finely-controlledmadness, andwill runyouragged. I don't
know what their message is, b ut S .
SOLUTION shredmusically.
(TY)
(S
. Corsi--Via Ovindoli 2 0--0013 5 Rome--ITALY)
SICK PLEASURE - Aids LP
West Berlin's SICK PLEASURE produce a raw style of punk
with cynical lyrics ab out desperation andstreet life
. They
comb ine gruff vocals, heavy guitars, anddistinctive song
structures which steadily b uildinpower andintensity . Down
anddirty. (RS)
(Pleasure Principle--Winterfeldstrasse 3 6 --1000 Berlin3 0--W.
GERMANY)
T .N
.T. - "Gilmore 7 7 / Guernika"
More older-style punk from Spain's T.N.T. "Guernika" isn't
tooexciting, b ut "Gilmore 7 7 " has charm anddrive
. The b ass
playing is excellent. (TY)
(Oro, dist . b y Penetracion)
VARIOUS ARTISTS - Apocalypse LP
Anexcellent well-producedsampler of new French hardcore
b ands
. Although REICH ORGASM andKOMINTERN SECT
contrib ute some irresistab le chunky mid-tempopunk, andthe
weaker NO PUB offer a splendidlittle ditty called"Viol-ence,
"
KIDNAP steal the spotlight with some amazing b one-crunching
stuff
. Their "No S.S." is one of the most b rilliant, dynamic
songs of 1983 , with its dense fuzz guitars, tense b uild-up, and
haunting b ackgroundvocals
; their other tracks are alsokillers,
andthe politicizedlyrics gostraight tothe heart of the matter.
Much b etter thanChaos Productions' earlier Chaos enFrance
compilation, soorder it andsupport a valuab le independent
lab el . (JB)
(Chaos

Productions--2 6

Faub ourg

St .

Vincent--45000
OrleansFRANCE)
VARIOUS ARTISTS - "Artifacts from VenisonCreek" cassette
Where tob egin? Well, there's tenb ands onhere spanning
the years from 197 8 to the present, all of which contain
overlapping personnel
. Stylistically, the music encompasses
garage punk, old- style punk, post-punk, andthrash
. The
soundquality is fairly primitive, b ut the concept is interesting
andthere's enough goodtunes toholdyour attention
. (TY)
(Mark G--13 0 Maple St
.--Moncton, N.B .--CANADA)
VARIOUS ARTISTS - Keine Experimente LP
A potpourri of modernpunk styles canb e foundonthis fine
new compilation, from thrash (the UPRIGHT CITIZENS) to
older-style punk (the BUTTOCKS, S.S. ULTRABRUTAL) to
rousing funnypunk (DEUTSCHE TRINKERJUGEND) toOi (DAILY
TERROR) . Many of the b est b ands--BOSKOPS, RAllIA,
Z .S .D.--play more than one type of punk, b ut it's their
thrashers that really standout. Anilluminating introductionto
some oldandnew Germanhardcore outfits
. (JB)
(WeirdSystem)
VARIOUS ARTISTS - Paris Mix LP
As the title indicates, this compilationcontains a mixture of
Paris b ands
. Stylistically, it ranges from loud, tasty post-punk
(GUERNICA, ZONA, andPEGGY LUXBEURK) tofunny Oi with
mutatedrockab illy b eats (the SWINGO PORKIES) tostrong
fuzzed-out mid-tempopunk (PROP SACK) topretentious New
Wave
(ICE) . All inall, a "mixed" b lessing
. (JB)
( Zcb;
$9 t o B un ke r )
VARIOUS ARTISTS - "SecondTime Around" cassette
By the look of things, Punk Etc
. will put Belgianhardcore
inthe minds of all dedicatedfanatics
. This is anoutrageous
cassette collectionof six b ands (MORE ACTION, ZYKLOME A,
SUBVERSION, KRANK, FIXATION, andthe DIRTY SCUMS),
featuring vigorous approaches topower andspeed, each
exceptional inits ownway
. Support this lab el, b ecause their
attitude is what punk is all ab out
. (Pus)
(Punk Etc
.)
WAR OF DESTRUCTION - EP
Mind-b oggling growls of speedy Danish hardcore
. WAR OF
DESTRUCTION hit hardwith a swirling rapidb arrage that
claws forth high, grinding vocals, ab rasive guitar, andslashing
symb ol splashes
. This deb ut vinyl offering shows aninspiring
promise of cranking aggressionandquick sonic b lasts, the type
of soundthat has made current Finnish, Swedish, andDutch
hardcore soearth-shattering
. Put a check b y this one
. (Pus)
(Span
c/ o

D .

Sorensen--Molsgade

I
t,

#4--8000 Aarhus
C--DENMARK)
WOPS - "Nervous Breakdown" cassette
Very militant, political punk andthrash that comes with a
b ilingual lyrics b ooklet
. The A-side of this tape is a little
tinny-sounding, b ut the other side has a full productionsound
andreally b lows out the windows
. It's like night and
day--weird! (TY)
(Fond
. Vetrai 110--1012 1 Murano(Ve)--ITALY)
WUT - "Armutsstaat"
EP
A fairly average Oi release from Germany
. Most of the songs
are in the medium-tempovein andthe guitar couldb e a lot
grungier, b ut the speedy "Skins" and"Freiheit" are catchy
little b lasts with amb iguous lyrics that make it worth a listen.
(JB)
(Wut, dist
. b Vin I Booie)
WUNDERBACH - "Paris-Londres" 12 "
EP
E xt r e me ly
pow e r ful Fr e n chpun k
in
t he me dium-t e mpo '7 7
t r adit ion
. T he g uit ar s ar e r e ally cr an ke dup, t he fe male s in g e r
adds alot of s pun kan dcolor , an dt he t un e s g r ow on youmor e
w it he achlis t e n
. " O ublion s I 'A me r iq ue " is t e r r ific
. ( JB )
(Wunderb ach
; $7 toBunker)
013 - TakaisinTodellisuuteenLP
This isn't what one expects from a Finnish punk b and
. 013
play guitar-heavy rock 'n' roll that's greatly influencedb y b oth
early U.K
. punk-pop and6 0'sish garage rock
. I think the early
U .K
.-type material is the strongest, b ut all their songs are
deliveredwith power
. If youlike raunchy punkish rock, check
this alb um out
. (RS)
(Propaganda--Box 3 93 00101
Helsinki 10--FINLAND)
YOUTH YOUTH YOUTH - "Sin" 12 " EP
Canada's Y.Y.Y. play real fast punk rather than thrash.
The tempos are driving, the guitars are plenty loud, the
singing exhib its a lot of emotion, andthe lyrics are very
thoughtful . I like every song individually, b ut when played
b ack-to-b ack, they tendto run together a b it due to the
unusually consistent tempos andvocal inflections . It's a
high-powereddeb ut, though. (JB)
(Fringe,

dist.

b y

Record

Peddler--115

Queen

St.
East--Toronto, Ontario--CANADA M5C 1S1)
VARIOUS ARTISTS - "T. O. Hardcore '83 " cassette
I missedthis whenit first came out a few months ago, b ut
b etter late thannever . Six of Toronto's b est b ands contrib ute
2 -4 songs each, andit's well worth getting
. The b ands are
A.P.B., CHRONIC SUBMISSION, DEAD END, DIRECT ACTION,
the YOUNG LIONS, YOUTH YOUTH YOUTH, andZEROPTION.
A real goodsampler . (TY)
(Garagerock/ NRK--2 Bloor ST. West, Ste . 100-53 0--Toronto,
Ontario--CANADA M4W 3 E2 )
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