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First Revision No. 4-NFPA 853-2013 [ Section No. 2.2 ]
2.2 NFPA Publications. National Fire Protection Association, 1 Batterymarch Park, Quincy, MA 021697471. NFPA 15, Standard for Water Spray Fixed Systems for Fire Protection, 2007 2012 edition. NFPA 24, Standard for the Installation of Private Fire Service Mains and Their Appurtenances, 2010 2013 edition. NFPA 30, Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code, 2008 2015 edition. NFPA 31, Standard for the Installation of Oil-Burning Equipment, 2006 2015 edition. NFPA 52, Vehicular Gaseous Fuel Systems Code, 2010 2013 edition. NFPA 54, National Fuel Gas Code, 2009 2015 edition. NFPA 55, Compressed Gases and Cryogenic Fluids Code, 2010 2013 edition. NFPA 58, Liquefied Petroleum Gas Code, 2008 2014 edition. NFPA 70, National Electrical Code, 2008 2014 edition. NFPA 72, National Fire Alarm and Signaling Code, 2010 2013 edition. NFPA 80, Standard for Fire Doors and Other Opening Protectives, 2010 2013 edition. NFPA 90A, Standard for the Installation of Air-Conditioning and Ventilating Systems, 2009 edition. NFPA NFPA 101, Life Safety Code, 2009 2015 edition. NFPA 241, Standard for Safeguarding Construction, Alteration, and Demolition Operations, 2009 2013 edition. NFPA 251, Standard Methods of Tests of Fire Resistance of Building Construction and Materials, 2006 edition. NFPA 259, Standard Test Method for Potential Heat of Building Materials, 2008 2013 edition.
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Submitter Full Name: Chad Duffy Organization: National Fire Protection Assoc Submittal Date: Tue May 28 08:00:04 EDT 2013
Committee Statement and Meeting Notes

Committee Statement: Response Message: Revised reference dates to comply with the manual of style. NFPA 251 has been withdrawn and therefore removed as a reference.
http://submittals.nfpa.org/TerraViewWeb/ContentFetcher?commentParams=%28Comment... 7/16/2013
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Committee Notes: Date Submitted By Jun 5, Cosgrove Deleted: NFPA 90A, Standard for the Installation of Air-Conditioning 2013 and Ventilating Systems, 2012 edition.
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First Revision No. 5-NFPA 853-2013 [ Section No. 2.3.1 ]
2.3.1 ANSI Publications. American National Standards Institute, Inc., 25 West 43rd Street, 4th Floor, New York, NY 10036. ANSI A13.1, Scheme for Identification of Piping Systems, 1996. ANSI CSA FC.1, American National Standard for Stationary Fuel Cell Power Systems, 2004. 2012.


Committee Statement: The latest version of ANSI CSA FC.1 is dated 2012. Response Message: Committee Notes: Submitted Date By Jun 5, Cosgrove Is the correct title: 'ANSI FC 1-2012 - Stationary Fuel Cell Power 2013 Systems'? Jun 5, Cosgrove Deleted '2004' because I can't mark it as crossed-out text. 2013 Jun 5, 2013 Cosgrove ANSI A13.1 appears in 8.2.(13)
Public Input No. 23-NFPA 853-2012 [Section No. 2.3.1]
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2.3.2 ASME Publications. American Society of Mechanical Engineers, Three Park Avenue, New York, NY 10016-5990. ASME/ANSI B31.3, Process Piping, 1996. 2012.

Submitter Full Name: Chad Duffy Organization: Submittal Date: National Fire Protection Assoc Tue May 28 09:15:33 EDT 2013

Committee Statement: Revised reference dates to comply with the manual of style. Response Message:
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2.3.3 ASTM Publications. ASTM International, 100 Bar Barr Harbor Drive, P.O. Box C700, West Conshohocken, PA 19428-2959. ASTM E 108, Standard Test Methods for Fire Tests of Roof Coverings, 2007. 2011. ASTM E 119, Standard Test Methods for Fire Tests of Building Construction and Materials , 2012.


Committee Statement: Response Message: Revised reference dates to comply with the manual of style. Added reference to ASTM E 119 as it replaced the reference to NFPA 251 in section 5.3.1.
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2.3.4 UL Publications. Underwriters Laboratories Inc., 333 Pfingsten Road, Northbrook, IL 60062-2096. ANSI/UL 263, Standard for Fire Tests of Building Construction and Materials , 2011. UL ANSI/UL 790, Standard Test Methods for Fire Tests of Roof Coverings, 2004. 2004, revised 2008.


Committee Statement: Update referenced standard to most recent edition as indicated. Added reference to ASTM E 119 as it replaced the reference to NFPA 251 in section 5.3.1.
Response Message: Public Input No. 18-NFPA 853-2012 [Section No. 2.3.4] Public Input No. 27-NFPA 853-2012 [Section No. 2.3.4]
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First Revision No. 7-NFPA 853-2013 [ Section No. 2.4 ]
2.4 References for Extracts in Mandatory Sections. NFPA 33, Standard for Spray Application Using Flammable or Combustible Materials, 2007 2015 edition. NFPA 80, Standard for Fire Doors and Other Opening Protectives, 2010 2013 edition. NFPA 91, Standard for Exhaust Systems for Air Conveying of Vapors, Gases, Mists, and Noncombustible Particulate Solids, 2010 2015 edition. NFPA 221, Standard for High Challenge Fire Walls, Fire Walls, and Fire Barrier Walls, 2009 2015 edition. NFPA 801, Standard for Fire Protection for Facilities Handling Radioactive Materials, 2008 2014 edition.


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First Revision No. 8-NFPA 853-2013 [ Section No. 3.3.1.2 ]
3.3.1.1 Circulation Air. The portion of supply air, the source of which is the outside/outdoors, plus any recirculated air that has been treated and is acceptable for use by the power system ventilation system that is used to cool equipment located in areas unclassified per NFPA 70 , National Electrical Code , Article 500-516. 3.3.1.2 Dilution Air. The portion of supply air, the source of which is the outside/outdoors, plus any recirculated air that has been treated and is acceptable for use by the power system ventilation system that is used to cool equipment or dilute normal and abnormal releases to below a flammable level located in areas classified per NFPA 70 , National Electrical Code , Article 500-516. 3.3.1.3 Exhaust Air. Air removed from a space or power system and not reused. 3.3.1.4 Primary Air. The portion of supply air, the source of which is the outside/outdoors, plus any recirculated air that has been treated and is acceptable for use by the power system for the purpose of conversion of fuel and air to power and heat. 3.3.1.5 Ventilation Air. The portion of supply air whose sourceis the outside/outdoors air, the source of which is the outside/outdoors, plus any recirculated air that has been treated and is acceptable for use by the power system ventilation system that can . be used for circulation, dilution, and/or primary air applications.


Committee Statement: UTC Power's recent experience with siting in-door power plants has shown that the initial definitions have created confusion with the AHJs. The lack of definitions has not stopped a project but has added delays and cost.
Response Message: Committee Notes: Submitted Date By Jun 5, Cosgrove 2013 Jun 5, Cosgrove 2013 Jun 13, Cosgrove 2013
'power system ventilation system' Is 2 'system's correct? '3.3.1.1 Exhaust Air' should go in this section, in alpha order, as 3.3.1.3. Changed 'air whose source' to 'the source of which' 4 times
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Public Input No. 16-NFPA 853-2012 [Section No. 3.3.1.2]
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5.3.1 The room shall be separated from the remainder of the building by floor, wall, and ceiling construction that has at least a 1-hour fire resistance rating in accordance with NFPA 251 , Standard Methods of Tests of Fire Resistance of Building Construction and Materials . fire barrier walls and horizontal assemblies with a minimum of a 1-hour fire resistance rating in accordance with ASTM E 119 , Standard Test Methods for Fire Tests of Building Construction and Materials , or ANSI/UL 263, Fire Tests of Building Construction and Materials .

Submitter Full Name: Chad Duffy Organization: National Fire Protection Assoc Submittal Date: Thu May 23 09:00:09 EDT 2013

Committee The hazards associated with fuel cell systems are similar to other hazardous Statement: materials. In both NFPA 5000 and the International Building Code, areas inside of buildings containing these and other hazardous materials are traditionally required to be segregated from the remainder of the building with Fire Barriers (that being that the supporting construction has an equivalent level of fire resistive protection) As currently written, the required fire resistive containment barriers could be something less than fire barriers such as fire partitions and even smoke barriers. This change will ensure consistency with both 5000 and other building codes which both currently require the supporting structure to be protected with an equivalent fire resistive rating. The following is an excerpt from NFPA 5000 34.2.4.1 Construction Requirements for Control Areas. 34.2.4.1.1 Control areas shall be separated from each other by fire barriers in accordance with Table 34.2.4.1.1. Response Message: Committee Notes: Date Submitted By Jun 5, Cosgrove Should this be 'ANSI/UL' and not just 'UL'? 2013 Public Input No. 19-NFPA 853-2012 [Section No. 5.3.1]
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5.3.5 Fire dampers shall be installed in accordance with NFPA 90A 80 , Standard for the Installation of Air-Conditioning and Ventilating Systems Fire Doors and Other Opening Protectives .

Submitter Full Name: Chad Duffy Organization: National Fire Protection Assoc Submittal Date: Wed May 29 09:47:51 EDT 2013

Committee NFPA 853 should reference NFPA 80 for the installation requirements of fire Statement: dampers. The requirements for installation, testing, and maintenance of fire dampers were removed from NFPA 90A and placed in NFPA 80 for the 2007 edition. A new Chapter 19 in the document now contains the requirements that were previously found in NFPA 90A with regards to installation, testing and maintenance. For the 2009 edition of 90A, the requirements were replaced with a reference to NFPA 80, where such requirements now reside. Response Message: Public Input No. 17-NFPA 853-2012 [Section No. 5.3.5]
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7.1.1 All fuel cell power systems shall be provided with a source of ventilation, exhaust, and makeup air in accordance with this chapter, with the exception of the following: (1) Fuel cell power systems installed outdoors (2) Listed prepackaged or pre-engineered and matched modular fuel cell power systems that have a sealed, direct ventilation and exhaust system that is installed in accordance with the terms of the listing and manufacturer's installation instructions

Submitter Full Name: Chad Duffy Organization: Submittal Date: National Fire Protection Assoc Wed May 29 09:49:55 EDT 2013

Response Message: Public Input No. 1-NFPA 853-2012 [Section No. 7.1.1]
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7.1.3 The air intake and exhaust system The ventilation air and exhaust air system(s) shall meet the requirements specified in Sections 5.1, 7.2, and 7.3.


Response Message: Committee Notes: Date Submitted By Jun 5, Cosgrove Does this describe 3 systems: 'ventilation, air, and exhaust air 2013 systems'? Or 2 systems: 'ventilation air and exhaust air systems'? Public Input No. 13-NFPA 853-2012 [Section No. 7.1.3]
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7.2.1* A separate mechanical building ventilation system shall be provided for the area where a fuel cell power system is located.


Committee An annex note has been added to clarify the purpose of the Statement: ventilation system. Response Message: Public Input No. 12-NFPA 853-2012 [Section No. 7.2.1]
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7.2.2 If it can be verified, natural ventilation shall be permitted to provide all required ventilation and makeup air.


Committee Statement: The term exhaust air was not accepted and was removed as the requirement falls under section 7.2, which specifically addresses "Ventilation Air".
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7.2.3 The inlet air vent The inlets for all primary, ventilation, and exhaust air system(s) shall be designed to prevent foreign matter from entering. entering and/or accumulating.


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7.3.2 The fuel cell power system exhaust system shall be designed such so that all harmful emissions are exhausted to a safe location.


Response Message: Committee Notes: Date Submitted By Jun 5, Cosgrove 2 'system's OK here? 2013 Public Input No. 8-NFPA 853-2012 [Section No. 7.3.2]
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7.3.3 The building ventilation exhaust rate from the room shall not be less than 0.3 m3/minm2 (1 cfm/ft2) of floor area and not less than 45 4.25 m3/min (150 cfm).


Committee Statement: UTC Power's recent experience with siting in-door power plants has shown that the initial definitions have created confusion with the AHJs. The lack of definitions has not stopped a project but has added delays and cost. The 45 m3/min.m2 was a typo and has been modified to 4.25 m3/min.m2.
Response Message: Committee Notes: Date Submitted By Jun 5, Cosgrove Should the second of these be 'not greater than'? 2013 Public Input No. 9-NFPA 853-2012 [Section No. 7.3.3]
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7.3.4 If mechanical exhaust for either the fuel cell power system or the building is required, a control interlock shall be provided to shut down the unit fuel cell power system upon loss of either exhaust.


Committee Statement: UTC Power's recent experience with siting in-door power plants has shown that the initial definitions have created confuston with the AHJs. The lack of definitions has not stopped a project but has added delays and cost.
Response Message: Committee Notes: Submitted Date By Jun 5, Cosgrove Should this be 'building air system(s)' as it is in 7.3.6? 2013 Public Input No. 6-NFPA 853-2012 [Section No. 7.3.4]
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7.3.5 The exhaust outlet outlet(s) shall be located as specified in 5.2.3 . 7.3.6 The discharge for exhaust from the fuel cell power system and building air system (s) shall be designed to prevent foreign matter from entering and accumulating.


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8.1.3.3 Oil-filled transformers that have at least 1892 L (500 gal) capacity shall be protected by one of the following: (1) A minimum spatial separation of 7.6 m (25 ft) between each transformer containment area and other structures (2) A 2-hour-rated fire barrier between adjacent noncombustible or limited combustible structures, transformers, or switchgear that extend 30.5 cm (1 ft) above the transformer or structure and 61 cm (2 ft) beyond the sides (3) An automatic deluge water spray system designed in accordance with NFPA 15, Standard for Water Spray Fixed Systems for Fire Protection, to provide a minimum density of 10.2 L/minm 2 (0.25 gpm/ft 2 ) over all surfaces of the transformer 10.2 L/minm 2 (0.25 gpm/ft 2 ) over all surfaces of the transformer 8.1.3.4 Transformers filled with a listed less flammable liquid that also bear a certification from a listing agency shall be permitted to be installed at least 1.5 m (5 ft) from noncombustible walls and 3.0 m (10 ft) from doors, fire escapes, and windows, provided installation is also in accordance with the listing agency requirements.


Committee In 1990 the NEC incorporated specific less flammable liquid-filled transformer Statement: requirements into Section 450.23, in effect recognizing less-flammable transformers as inherently safer than conventional oil-filled transformers. Since at least 1997 FM approval Standard 6933, Less Flammable Transformer Fluids and FM 3990, Less or Nonflammable Liquid-Insulated Transformers have been available to industry and a number of manufacturers have obtained product listing/approvals to these standards. Standard 340, Tests for Comparative Flammability of Liquids, and Guides EOVK and XPLH are comparable UL documents. Property loss prevention recommended practice is described in the Factory Mutual Global Data Sheet 5-4, Transformers. The current edition of NFPA 853 does not have any provisions that apply to less flammable liquid-filled transformers. Response Message: Committee Notes:
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Date Jun 5, 2013
Submitted By Cosgrove Suggestion: I moved (4) in list to create a separate section because 8.1.3.3 specifies 'oil-filled', and this sentence specifies 'less flammable liquid' than oil, leading a reader to assume this sentence is about an entirely different liquid/fluid.
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8.1.5.4* Combustible gas detector(s) shall be installed in the fuel cell power system enclosure, the exhaust system, or the room that encloses the fuel cell power system installation. installation in accordance with the detector manufacturer's instructions and local regulation.


Response Message: Public Input No. 4-NFPA 853-2012 [Section No. 8.1.5.4]
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8.1.5.5* A combustible gas detector that meets the requirements of 8.1.5.4 shall be provided for all indoor or separately enclosed fuel gas compressors. compressors (fuel gas boosters).


Committee Statement: An annex has been added to clarify compressor requirements. Response Message: Public Input No. 2-NFPA 853-2012 [Section No. 8.1.5.5]
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First Revision No. 32-NFPA 853-2013 [ New Section after A.6.6 ]
A.7.2.1 This system is to remove exhaust air. This system can also be the source of supply for fuel cell power system ventilation air (primary, circulation, and dilution systems).


Committee Statement: Response Message: The annex has been added to provide clarification as to the purpose of the ventilation system, as it is applied by 7.2.1
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First Revision No. 26-NFPA 853-2013 [ Section No. A.7.1.2 ]
A.7.1.2 The building ventilation and fuel cell power system and exhaust system design should consider the manufacturer's air requirements for the fuel cell power system (s) and any additional equipment that is located within the space.


Response Message: Public Input No. 11-NFPA 853-2012 [Section No. A.7.1.2]
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First Revision No. 25-NFPA 853-2013 [ New Section after A.8.1.5.2 ]
A.8.1.5.5 Fuel gas boosters (within the fuel cell enclosure containing fuel) containing members are addressed in ANSI FC1 as part of the leak detection and mitigation strategy.


Committee Statement: The annex language has been added to direct the user to ANSI FC1 for guidance and requirements for fuel gas compressors internal to the fuel cell power system.
Response Message: Committee Notes: Date Submitted By Jun 5, Cosgrove Confusing -- possible to reword 'containing fuel containing 2013 members'?
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First Revision No. 29-NFPA 853-2013 [ New Section after A.8.1.5.2 ]
A.8.1.5.4 A fuel cell power system that includes an internal combustible gas detector meets this requirement if it is supported by a separate safety analysis.


Committee Statement: Clarification has been added regarding internal combustible gas detectors.
Response Message: Public Input No. 5-NFPA 853-2012 [New Section after A.8.1.5.2]
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First Revision No. 9-NFPA 853-2013 [ Section No. C.1.1 ]
C.1.1 NFPA Publications. National Fire Protection Association, 1 Batterymarch Park, Quincy, MA 021697471. NFPA 259, Standard Test Method for Potential Heat of Building Materials, 2008 2013 edition. NFPA 497, Recommended Practice for the Classification of Flammable Liquids, Gases, or Vapors and of Hazardous (Classified) Locations for Electrical Installations in Chemical Process Areas, 2008 2012 edition.


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First Revision No. 10-NFPA 853-2013 [ Section No. C.1.2.1 ]
C.1.2.1 ANSI Publications. American National Standards Institute, Inc., 25 West 3rd Street, 4th Floor, New York, NY 10036. ANSI CSA FC.1, American National Standard for Stationary Fuel Cell Power Systems, 2004. 2012.


Committee Statement: Revised reference dates to comply with the manual of style. Response Message: Committee Notes: Date Submitted By Jun 5, Cosgrove Is this the correct title? 2013 webstore.ansi.org has 'ANSI FC 1-2012, Stationary fuel cell power systems'
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C.1.2.2 ASTM Publications. ASTM International, 100 Barr Harbor Drive, P.O. Box C700, West Conshohocken, PA 19428-2959. ASTM E 84, Standard Test Method for Surface Burning Characteristics of Building Materials, 2009. 2012c. IEEE/ASTM SI 10, Standard for Use of the International System of Units (SI): The Modern Metric System , 2002. American National Standard for Metric Practice , 2010.


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C.1.2.3 UL Publications. Underwriters Laboratories Inc., 333 Pfingsten Road, Northbrook, IL 60062-2096. ANSI/UL 723, Standard for Test for Surface Burning Characteristics of Building Materials, 2008. 2010.


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First Revision No. 13-NFPA 853-2013 [ Section No. C.2.1 ]
C.2.1 CGA Publications. Compressed Gas Association, 4221 Walney Road, 5th Floor, Chantilly, VA 20151 2923. 20151-2923. CGA G-5, Hydrogen, 1991. 2011. CGA G-5.4, Standard for Hydrogen Piping Systems at Consumer Locations, 2001. 2012. CGA G-5.5, Hydrogen Vent Systems, 1996. 2004.



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