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RUSSELL ALLEN NORDYKE and )
SALLIE ANN NORDYKE, dba. TS )
T R A D E S H O V ü S ,J E S S B . G U Y , ) Case No.: C 99 04389
DUANE N. DAVTS, TASIANA ) MJJ
WERTYSCHYN, ,JEAN LEE, TODD )
B A L T E S , D E N N T SB L A I R , R . L . )
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MARY V. KING, GA]L STEELE,
VIILMA CHAN, KE]TH CARSON,
SCOTT HAGGERTY, the COUNTY
OF ALAMEDA, and the COUNTY
OF ALAMEDA BOARD OF
SUPERVISORS
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Defendants.
DEPOSITION OF
RANDY C. ROSSI
Sacramento, California
Reported by:
Laurie D. Lerda,
CSR No. 3649, CSR
Job No. 680B9A
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I BE IT R E M E M B E R E D ,t h a t on Friday, March Ll, 2006,
B RANDY C. ROSSI,
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22 plaintiff' s.
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1 County Counsef with Alameda County Counsef's office.
6 Randy Rossi.
1_1 A. Yes.
t_J A Yoq
15 you today?
I6 A. Yes, I do.
19 A. Uh-huh.
z¿ Office.
24 A. Twenty-five years.
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1 before you came, Allison, we asked or I asked counsel
20 to this l-awsuit.
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1 necessarv.
3 the tabl-e.
1B of ,Justice.
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23 O. Okay.
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1 as a special agent narcotics. Because of my SVüAT
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1 O. I'm sorry, f didn't mean to interrupt.
3 officers.
5 periodically?
7 O. All riqht.
11 A. Yes.
'1,2 ô In what area of expertise?
15 firearms.
1ö A. Yes, sir.
2L Department of Justice?
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1 permittees, fírearm purchasers, firearm dealers,
2 et cetera.
5 laws ?
6 A. Yes.
O. And regul-ations?
B A. Yes.
I2 A. Okay.
76 loophole?
1,7 A. Yes.
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1 whet.her it I s a ner^rfirearm purchase or private party
5 carried out.
B there?
9 A. Correct.
IJ A. Correct.
15 California?
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T6 A. An exception. Not that lrm aware of.
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! A. General-l-y speaking that's correct.
t_l- transaction?
1,7 requirements ?
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1 a federal f j-rearms l-icense. Are there any other
f in firearms transactions?
6 al^/afe Of .
9 those for?
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1 A. Correct.
4 correct?
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A. That's correct.
9 Cal-if ornia?
24 eJ-igibility?
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1 0. Okay. Sor âny reguirements of building
3 imposed by 1ocal
11 followed.
74 A. Yes.
I I A. Tt is.
2L 2000?
22 A. Uh-huh.
25 ir?
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1 A A8295, yes.
3 A Yes.
5 gun shohr?
9 f irearm deal-ers.
T4 Enforcement Act?
15 Yes.
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1 A. Okay.
11 deal-er?
T9 that vear.
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1 1 " 2 0 1 1 , . 4p r o v i d e s the general rul-es and requirements
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1 be approved by the facility manager prior to the
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f,= of the producer. That the firearms carried onto
1B to the fi-rearm.
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1 government issued photo identification and display it
3 peace of f i-cer.
10 A. That's okav.
t6 A. We do.
l-9 A. Yes.
24 O. Okay.
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1 generally they're on city or county property.
3 Nordyke?
4 A. Yes, I am.
B ensure compliance?
9 A. Yes.
I2 earlier?
L1 shows ?
2L A. Yes, I have.
ZJ at?
24 A. Nevada.
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I California ?
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1 O. BY MR. KILMER: That's fine. frm entitled
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5 specul-ation.
15 A. Yes.
z5 of firearms?
25 for speculation.
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.L A. BY MR. KILMER: ff you understand what I
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10 ansh/er.
22 l-aws ?
ZJ ^ They are.
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I easÍer for private parti-es to buy and sell guns?
2 A. Uh-huh.
4 checks ?
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T6 A. Uh-huh.
ZU with?
2L A. Correct.
24 A. Uh-huh.
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1 transaction, correct, I think a thumb print; correct?
z A. Uh-huh.
9 Code?
10 A. Correct.
L2 þrr¡ 1-haf?
L4 themselves.
t9 firearm present?
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1 to read it. Therers a descrj-ption of the procedures
3 A. Okay.
B present
11 testimony?
1'7 et cetera.
1B O. Okay.
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1 Subsection B, Subsection C. Okav. Those
3 A Okay. Great.
6 gun present?
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I6 personts home?
I1 A Uh-huh, yes.
2L That I s correct.
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I4 A It doesnrt appear e^
1_B Yes.
z.! before?
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I O. Do you know whether or not other counties
6 A. Yes, I do.
B ordinance?
9 A. Uh-huh.
L2 qrznnnq'i q ?
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L O. Did you express any opínion to the Board of
B a. okay.
15 A. Uh-huh.
I6 O. For instance
I1 A. Yes.
79 television production?
¿U A. Yes.
¿4 shows?
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1 MS. MERRILEES: You want to take a minute.
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1B correct?
24 tel-evision productions ?
25 A. Yes.
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1 0. And they sometimes l - e n d t h o s e quns to the
A. Yes.
24 Correct.
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1 what some of those requirements are by readi-ng that
¿ statute?
3 A Correct.
22 A. Similar.
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1 O. BY MR. KILMER: We're back on the record.
5 Subsection four.
13 A. That's my opinion.
L6 A. I do not.
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1 counsel might have mentioned it earlier, because I
9 private venues.
15 few others.
16_ O. Okay.
19 A. They do.
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I Nordykes or their gun shows and you said no promoter
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1 asked earlier.
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15 present?
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1 possession of the gun?
1"2 a. Yes.
1 q A. Uh-huh.
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¿U A. Correct.
21" O. okay.
24 FURTHER EXAMINAT]ON BY M R . K I L M E R :
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5 A. Correct.
B A. I bel_i-eve so.
15 O. Uh-huh.
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