Tuesday, 2 November 2010 Parliament met at 3.18 p.m. in Parliament House, Kampala.

PRAYERS (The Speaker, Mr Edward Ssekandi, in Chair. The House was !alled to order. COMMUNICATION FROM THE CHAIR THE SPEAKER: Hon. Members, I welcome you to t !s s!tt!n". #e $%e onour$ble Members o& P$rl!$ment &rom t e Comm!ttee on ICT o& N$m!b!$ $n' t ey $re se$te' !n t e str$n"er(s "$llery. I rece!%e' t e s$' news o& t e 'e$t o& Hon. )$'umu*$s$(s s!ster+ er n$me !s ,ebor$ N$b!t$lo. -ur!$l w!ll t$*e .l$ce tomorrow !n M!ty$n$. /et us obser%e $ moment o& s!lence. (Mem"ers o"ser#ed a moment o$ silen!e.0 THE SPEAKER: #e were 'e$l!n" w!t t e CHO1M re.ort $n' we were su..ose' to $%e cont!nue' w!t !t to'$y $n' tomorrow, but 1o%ernment $..ro$c e' me $n' !n&orme' me t $t t ey $' !m.ort$nt bus!ness to $n'le, n$mely, t e )$m.$l$ C!ty -!ll, 2334, w !c s oul' be '!s.ose' o& $s soon $s .oss!ble to en$ble t em *now t e .os!t!on o& t e c!ty 'ur!n" t e com!n" elect!on. # en we come to t e CHO1M re.ort, I w$nt to $'%!se t $t !t !s !" t!me we st$rte' to be s.ec!&!c $bout some c$ses $n' '!s.ose t em. T ose w o were $&&ecte' by t e re.ort w!ll be "!%en $n o..ortun!ty to st$te t e!r c$se suc t $t !t !s cons!'ere'. MR SSEKIKUBO: T $n* you, Mr S.e$*er. I w$nt to $"ree t $t t ere !s ur"ent bus!ness !n &orm o& )$m.$l$ C$.!t$l C!ty -!ll, 2334. I t ou" t t $t t !s s oul' $%e been brou" t to your $ttent!on muc e$rl!er so t $t $s Members o& P$rl!$ment, we c$n .re.$re oursel%es &or t e com!n" 'eb$te. #e $re !n $ $b!t o& rele"$t!n" t e CHO1M re.ort b$c*w$r's !n &$%our o& ot er bus!ness. I &!n' !t %ery str$n"e $n' I t !n* c$ut!on s oul' be "!%en so t $t P$rl!$ment s oul' not be t$*en &or $ r!'e. THE SPEAKER: I ent!rely concur w!t you $n' I $%e not !n" use&ul to $''. -ut rules s$y t $t I s oul' "!%e .r!or!ty to 1o%ernment bus!ness. Members o& t e .ubl!c $re $n5!ous to *now t e st$tus o& )$m.$l$ bec$use my le$rne' &r!en', on. /u*w$"o, $s !n'!c$te' !s !ntent!on to st$n'. T e te5t w !c we $', t e .ost o& m$yor w$s not elect!%e $n' m$y $%e c $n"e' now $n' we nee' to *now. -I//S SECON, REA,IN1 THE )AMPA/A CAPITA/ CITY -I//, 2334 6.22 THE MINISTER O !O"A! #O$ERNMENT %Ado&' M(es)*e+: Mr S.e$*er, I be" to mo%e t $t t e )$m.$l$ C$.!t$l C!ty -!ll, 2334 be re$' t e secon' t!me. THE SPEAKER: Secon'e'. 1

MR M,ESI#E: T e )$m.$l$ C$.!t$l C!ty -!ll w$s &!rst re$' !n P$rl!$ment !n 7une 2334, $n' t ere$&ter !t w$s re&erre' to t e Comm!ttee on Publ!c Ser%!ce $n' /oc$l 1o%ernment, !n $ccor'$nce w!t t e rules o& t !s House. I $m "l$' to re.ort t $t we $%e wor*e' w!t t e comm!ttee to scrut!n!se t e -!ll, $n' m$'e cl$r!&!c$t!ons $n' $men'ments w ere necess$ry. I $m "r$te&ul to t e comm!ttee &or !ts e&&ort !n ensur!n" t $t t e -!ll "ets $s muc .ubl!c!ty $n' su..ort &rom $s m$ny st$*e ol'ers $s .oss!ble. I $%e been !n&orme' t $t $ cross8sect!on o& t e .ubl!c m$'e t e!r .resent$t!ons to t e comm!ttee on t !s -!ll. T e ob9ect o& t !s -!ll !s to est$bl!s , !n $ccor'$nce w!t Art!cle : o& t e Const!tut!on ;Amen'ment0 Act, 233:, )$m.$l$ C!ty $s t e c$.!t$l o& U"$n'$. It !s $lso to .ro%!'e &or t e $'m!n!str$t!on $n' 'e%elo.ment o& )$m.$l$ C!ty by t e Centr$l 1o%ernment. It $lso .ro%!'es &or t e 'el!ne$t!on o& t e terr!tor!$l boun'$ry o& )$m.$l$ C$.!t$l C!ty !n $ccor'$nce w!t Art!cle : o& t e Const!tut!on. I woul' l!*e to !n&orm, Mr S.e$*er $n' onour$ble members, t $t 1o%ernment $s cons!'ere' t e m$tter o& t e )$m.$l$ C$.!t$l C!ty Aut or!ty $n' !s o& t e %!ew t $t we s $ll use t e current boun'$r!es o& )$m.$l$ ,!str!ct. Mr S.e$*er, )$m.$l$ $s !t !s to'$y, !s !n $ sorry st$te, 'es.!te !ts contr!but!on to t e N$t!on$l ,omest!c Pro'uct, w !c !s est!m$te' $t :3 .ercent $n' be!n" ome to ne$rly <3 .ercent o& t e country(s !n'ustr!$l $n' ser%!ce sector. T e e5!st!n" !n&r$structure suc $s ro$'s, .ubl!c e$lt &$c!l!t!es, s$n!t$t!on $n' w$ste '!s.os$l, $re "rossly !n$'e=u$te rel$t!%e to t e "row!n" .o.ul$t!on. You m$y $%e, o& l$te, seen t e $..$ll!n" .!ctures o& .ot oles c$rr!e' !n t e news.$.ers+ some o& t em $%e been e=u$te' to &!s !n" l$*es. MR SSEKIKUBO: Mr S.e$*er, I $m $t $ loss. I $m try!n" to &ollow t e st$tement by t e m!n!ster $n' $..$rently !t !s !n rel$t!on to $ %ery !m.ort$nt -!ll. Un&ortun$tely, t e -!ll rel$te' to )$m.$l$ C!ty !s cr!t!c$l to $ll o& us, but we 'o not seem to $%e co.!es. C$n we be $%$!le' w!t t e co.!es so t $t we c$n $ll &ollow t e m!n!ster(s .resent$t!on> THE SPEAKER: No+ co.!es were "!%en to you w en t e -!ll $' !ts &!rst re$'!n". T e co.!es you e5.ect to rece!%e now $re t e co.!es o& t e re.ort o& t e comm!ttee, !& t e re.ort !s re$'y. It !s $ lon" t!me $"o $n' I $..rec!$te t $t w!t t $t l$.se o& t!me, .eo.le must $%e m!s.l$ce' t e!r co.!es+ but t ey were "!%en to you. ;%au&hter0 MR M,ESI#E: Muc obl!"e', Mr S.e$*er. #e $%e $ll tr$%elle' to m$ny c!t!es o& t e worl'+ we $%e seen t e or'er $n' cle$nl!ness+ we $%e seen t e . ys!c$l .l$nn!n" be!n" en&orce', $n' $s $n e5$m.le, t e res!'ents o& )$m.$l$ woul' l!*e to see $n or"$n!se' c!ty. #e bel!e%e t $t )$m.$l$ re=u!res $ stron" $n' &ocuse' $'m!n!str$t!on w!t soun' mon!tor!n" $n' control mec $n!sms by t e Centr$l 1o%ernment to ensure com.l!$nce w!t n$t!on$l $n' !ntern$t!on$l st$n'$r's. )$m.$l$ s oul' be m$n$"e' $t t e le%el o& !ntern$t!on$l st$n'$r's us!n" "lob$l tren's $n' e5.er!ences !n urb$n .l$nn!n", 'e%elo.ment $n' m$n$"ement. One s oul' be $ble to '!rect $ "uest &rom $nyw ere !n t e worl' to re$c 'est!n$t!ons !n )$m.$l$ suc $s M$*!n'ye, )ololo, )$wem.e or elsew ere. Ut!l!t!es suc $s t ose o& t e Pol!ce F!re -r!"$'e s oul' be $ble to rescue $ s!tu$t!on w!t out muc $ssle. As you $re $ll $w$re, )$m.$l$ $s been m$n$"e' un'er t e /oc$l 1o%ernments Act $s $ c!ty e=u!%$lent to $ '!str!ct. It $s been rece!%!n" t e s$me $ttent!on $n' bene&!ts 9ust l!*e $ny ot er '!str!ct yet !ts 2

re=u!rements $re !mmense, cons!'er!n" t e ser%!ces !t $s to 'el!%er. As $ result, m$ny o& !ts un!=ue .roblems $n' nee's $%e not been $''resse' $n' $tten'e' to &or $ lon" t!me. T e )$m.$l$ C$.!t$l C!ty -!ll !s 'es!"ne' to $''ress t e un!=ue c $llen"es o& )$m.$l$. T rou" t e c $n"e' !nst!tut!on $n' "o%ern$nce $rr$n"ements, t e l$w !s 'es!"ne' to $c !e%e t e &ollow!n"? @. 2. 6. A. :. B. D. <. Stren"t en t e $'m!n!str$t!on $n' 'e%elo.ment o& )$m.$l$ C$.!t$l C!ty &or e&&ect!%e ser%!ce 'el!%ery. Stre$ml!ne $n' $rmon!se . ys!c$l .l$nn!n" !n t e ne!" bour!n" '!str!cts o& #$*!so, M.!"! $n' Mu*ono to &$c!l!t$te or'erly urb$n 'e%elo.ment. To be$ut!&y )$m.$l$ C$.!t$l C!ty. To !m.ro%e t e !n&r$structure suc $s ro$'s, $n' t e sewer$"e systems to $n $cce.t$ble st$n'$r'. To &$c!l!t$te t e !n%estments $n' cut 'own t e cost o& 'o!n" bus!ness !n t e c!ty. Re'uce e$lt $n' en%!ronment$l $C$r's to t e res!'ents o& t e c!ty t rou" !m.ro%e' s$n!t$t!on. To !m.ro%e collect!on $n' m$n$"ement o& re%enue !n t e c$.!t$l c!ty. To stren"t en m$!nten$nce o& l$w $n' or'er by cre$t!n" $ metro.ol!t$n .ol!ce w !c w!ll s.ec!&!c$lly $n'le com.l!c$te' urb$n cr!me.

/$stly, I w$nt to '!s.el t e rumours $n' worr!es &rom some c!rcles t $t t !s -!ll !s 'es!"ne' to '!sen&r$nc !se t e .eo.le o& )$m.$l$ t $t $%e been mo%!n" $roun' s!nce t e -!ll w$s !ntro'uce'. All t e le$'ers, !nclu'!n" t e m$yor, t e c!ty $n' '!%!s!on counc!llors, $n' t e members o& t e c$.!t$l c!ty $ut or!ty, w!ll be electe' by un!%ers$l $'ult su&&r$"e &rom const!tuenc!es 'em$rc$te' by t e Elector$l Comm!ss!on. T !s w!ll ensure t $t t e res!'ents o& )$m.$l$ $re not '!sen&r$nc !se'. I w!ll be mo%!n" $n $men'ment $t $n $..ro.r!$te st$"e to re=u!re t $t t e m$yor o& )$m.$l$, l!*e t e counc!llors w o re.resent t e c!ty !n t e metro.ol!t$n $ut or!ty, w!ll $lso be electe' by $'ult su&&r$"e. Anot er worry $s been on l$n' owners !.. Un'er Art!cle 26D o& t e Const!tut!on, l$n' !s %este' !n t e c!t!Cens o& U"$n'$, to be owne' !n $ccor'$nce w!t t e &our l$n' tenure systems, n$mely, custom$ry, m$!lo, &ree ol' $n' le$se ol'. T e -!ll reco"n!ses t ese r!" ts $n' w!ll not 'e%!$te &rom t em. T e only !ssue t $t t e -!ll !ntro'uces !s to stren"t en . ys!c$l .l$nn!n" w !c re=u!res 'e%elo.ment !n $ metro.ol!t$n $re$ to &ollow 'es!"n$te' .l$ns !rres.ect!%e o& t e tenure o& l$n'. Ot erw!se, t e .eo.le w!ll cont!nue to en9oy t e &ull r!" ts o& l$n' owners !. $s bestowe' u.on t em by t e Const!tut!on. I w!s to en' by $..e$l!n" to t e House t rou" you, Mr S.e$*er, to su..ort t !s mot!on t $t !s !nten'e' to br!n" $bout =u$l!t$t!%e c $n"e !n t e m$n$"ement o& )$m.$l$ C!ty. I be" to mo%e. THE SPEAKER: T $n* You, on. M!n!ster. Yes, c $!rm$n o& t e comm!ttee. 6.6@ THE "HAIRPERSON, "OMMITTEE ON PUB!I" SER$I"E AN- !O"A! #O$ERNMENT %Mr .o/0 O1e2a1+: T $n* you, Mr S.e$*er. I $m "o!n" to .resent $ re.ort o& t e comm!ttee on Publ!c 3

Ser%!ce $n' /oc$l 1o%ernment on )$m.$l$ C$.!t$l C!ty -!ll, 2334. I t !n* Members $%e rece!%e' co.!es o& t !s re.ort. T e )$m.$l$ C$.!t$l C!ty -!ll, 2334 w$s re$' &or t e &!rst t!me on 2A 7une 2334. It w$s re&erre' to our comm!ttee !n $ccor'$nce w!t Rule @@2 $n' @@6 o& t e Rules o& Proce'ure o& our P$rl!$ment. In t e .rocess o& scrut!n!s!n" t e -!ll, t e comm!ttee '!scusse' !t $n' rece!%e' %!ews &rom t e &ollow!n" st$*e ol'ers? @. 2. 6. A. :. B. T e M!n!ster o& /oc$l 1o%ernment. Mr E!ncent Sse*ono, t e &ormer Perm$nent Secret$ry, M!n!stry o& /oc$l 1o%ernment $n' t e current bo$r' c $!r.erson o& NSSF. Mr 1or'on Mwes!"ye, &ormer Town Cler*, )CC. Al H$99! N$sser Nte"e Sseb$"$l$, t e M$yor o& )$m.$l$. H$99! N$sser )!b!r!"e T$*ub$, C $!rm$n )$wem.e ,!%!s!on. Mr Moses )$lun"! )!rum!r$, C $!r.erson M$*!n'ye ,!%!s!on.

THE SPEAKER: O*$y, t !s !s cle$r $n' you nee' not re$' !t. MR OTEKAT: O*$y. Mr S.e$*er, t e .ol!cy .r!nc!.le &or t e -!ll $s $lre$'y been outl!ne' by t e m!n!ster+ $n' t e !ssue o& )$m.$l$ C$.!t$l C!ty boun'$r!es $s $lso been outl!ne' by t e m!n!ster. Allow me to touc on somet !n" concern!n" t e Metro.ol!t$n P ys!c$l Pl$nn!n" Aut or!ty bec$use t $t !s %ery !m.ort$nt to P$rl!$ment. It !s on t e secon' .$"e, Sect!on :.3. T e -!ll cre$tes 8 THE SPEAKER: M$ybe, s!nce t e m!n!ster s$!' so, t ese &our boun'$r!es o& )$m.$l$ 8 I t !n* t e m!n!ster w o !s t e owner o& t e -!ll $s tol' us t $t )$m.$l$ w!ll rem$!n $s "$Cette' $n' not "o to #$*!so $n' so &ort . I t !n* t $t s oul' be cle$re'. MR OTEKAT: On t e boun'$r!es o& )$m.$l$ C!ty, t e comm!ttee com.l!es w!t w $t t e m!n!ster $s 9ust st$te' t $t t e boun'$r!es o& )$m.$l$ w!ll rem$!n $s t ey $re. T ey $%e been 'es!"n$te' $s )$m.$l$ ,!str!ct $n' t e comm!ttee $s no .roblem w!t t $t $t $ll. I w$nte' to !" l!" t on t e Metro.ol!t$n P ys!c$l Pl$nn!n" Aut or!ty bec$use I $m sure Members w!ll w$nt to 8 THE SPEAKER: E5cuse me, be$r w!t me so t $t I c$n !ntro'uce ot er EIPs !n t e "$llery. #e $%e H!s E5cellency, t e Amb$ss$'or o& t e Euro.e$n Un!on, E!ncent ,e E!sc er, Mr H$r%ey Rouse $n' Ms Sus!e Ale"re, o&&!c!$ls o& t e Euro.e$n Un!on. Ple$se, 9o!n me !n welcom!n" t em. You $re most welcome. ('pplause MR OTEKAT: Mr S.e$*er, on .$"e 2, we $%e t e Metro.ol!t$n P ys!c$l Pl$nn!n" Aut or!ty. T e -!ll cre$tes $ Metro.ol!t$n P ys!c$l Pl$nn!n" Aut or!ty $n' en9o!ns t e Metro.ol!t$n Aut or!ty to .romote 'e%elo.ment o& $ metro.ol!t$n 'e%elo.ment $n' structur$l .l$n, $n' to $lso $n'le .l$nn!n" !ssues w!t !n t e metro.ol!t$n $re$. 4

T e Metro.ol!t$n Aut or!ty w!ll $%e to %eto .l$ns &or t e lower urb$n counc!ls w !c $re !ncons!stent w!t t e metro.ol!t$n 'e%elo.ment $n' structure .l$ns. T e -!ll $lso .ro%!'es t $t )$m.$l$ C!ty Aut or!ty s $ll not be $ loc$l "o%ernment. It, owe%er, .ro%!'es &or t e e5!stence o& lower urb$n counc!ls un'er t e Aut or!ty. T ese !nclu'e '!%!s!ons, w$r's, %!ll$"e counc!ls $n' street comm!ttees w!t !n )$m.$l$ C!ty. Mr S.e$*er, I w!ll not 'well muc on t e st$tus o& )$m.$l$ C!ty bec$use I *now Members $re $w$re o& w $t !t !s. I w!ll not e%en 'well on w $t t e )$m.$l$ C$.!t$l C!ty -!ll !s $''ress!n" bec$use t e m!n!ster $s 'welt on t $t. I w!ll "o str$!" t to .$"e : un'er obser%$t!ons $n' t en cont!nue to recommen'$t!ons. Mr S.e$*er, t e comm!ttee obser%e' t $t t e 'e&!n!t!on o& t e metro.ol!t$n $re$ !s not cle$r. A"$!n t e m!n!ster $s o& course t$l*e' $bout t $t. # $t !s cont$!ne' !n t e !nter.ret$t!on sect!on $s metro.ol!t$n $re$ !s %$"ue $n' con&us!n". A metro.ol!t$n $re$ &rom $ tec n!c$l .o!nt o& %!ew !s $n urb$n $re$. # $t !s be!n" !m.l!e' !n t e 'e&!n!t!on ere !s more rur$l t $n urb$n. T !s m$y $%e !m.l!c$t!ons w en o.er$t!on$l!s!n" some rules $n' re"ul$t!ons o& $n urb$n sett!n" !n $ rur$l conte5t. In t e %!ew o& t e comm!ttee, t e 'e&!n!t!on o& t e metro.ol!t$n $re$ s oul' st$te t $t, FT e metro.ol!t$n $re$ w!ll !nclu'e "eo"r$. !c$l $re$ A, -, C et ceter$,G !nste$' o& s$y!n", FMetro.ol!t$n $re$ to"et er w!t A, -, C.G T e two $re =u!te '!&&erent !n me$n!n". T e -!ll .ro%!'es &or t e /or' M$yor $n' t e ,e.uty /or' M$yor to be electe' &rom t e loc$l colle"e o& counc!ls. T $t one $s been o%ert$*en by e%ents. -ut l!*e I s$!', t e comm!ttee $s no ob9ect!on w!t t e m$yor be!n" electe' un'er $'ult su&&r$"e. T e -!ll .ro.ose' t e Metro.ol!t$n P ys!c$l Pl$nn!n" Aut or!ty. Howe%er, t e comm!ttee note' t $t t e .ro%!s!ons !n t e -!ll rel$t!n" to t e metro.ol!t$n .l$nn!n" were "rossly !n$'e=u$te $n' 'o not re&lect $ .ro.er .!cture $n' m$n$"ement o& metro.ol!t$n .l$nn!n". #e s $ll "!%e $ recommen'$t!on $t t e en' to su..ort t $t. T e comm!ttee &urt er obser%e' t $t t e .ro.ose' members !. o& t e Metro.ol!t$n P ys!c$l Pl$nn!n" Aut or!ty !s !n$'e=u$te. It s oul' be bee&e' u. by $ sur%eyor $n' soc!$l sc!ent!st "!%en t e &$ct t $t . ys!c$l .l$nn!n" !s $ mult!8'!mens!on$l .rocess. T e comm!ttee $lso note' t $t t e -!ll !s s!lent $bout tec n!c$l st$&& o& t e Metro.ol!t$n P ys!c$l Pl$nn!n" Aut or!ty, w !c t e comm!ttee t !n*s le$%es $ ser!ous %$cuum &or t e -o$r' to o.er$te. Cl$use 23;60 o& t e -!ll sets t e terms o& o&&!ce &or t e -o$r' Members o& t e Metro.ol!t$n Aut or!ty &or t ree ye$rs w o s $ll be el!"!ble &or re$..o!ntment &or one more term. In %!ew o& t e comm!ttee, t !s !s too s ort $ .er!o' &or !n'uct!on, .re.$r$t!on $n' !m.lement$t!on o& t e str$te"!c .l$ns o& t e Aut or!ty. Cl$use @@;"0 .ro%!'es t $t t e /or' M$yor !s to .ro%!'e "u!'$nce to t e '!%!s!on $'m!n!str$tors. T e comm!ttee won'ere' !& t !s m$*es t e '!%!s!on m$yors subor'!n$te to !s /or' t e M$yor s!nce t !s $s been $ borne o& content!on !n t e current sett!n" l$r"ely bec$use t e rel$t!ons !. between H!s /or's !. t e M$yor $n' t e '!%!s!on c $!r.ersons $s not been cle$rly 'e&!ne'. T e comm!ttee &urt er obser%e' t $t t e -!ll .ro%!'es t e lower urb$n counc!ls l!*e '!%!s!ons, w$r's, %!ll$"es $n' street comm!ttees, w !c !s $ 'u.l!c$t!on o& t e &unct!on o& t e )$m.$l$ Metro.ol!t$n Aut or!ty. All t ese 'u.l!c$t!ons $%e &!n$nc!$l !m.l!c$t!ons $n' t ey $re $lso centres o& .ower stru""le. 5

T e comm!ttee $lso obser%e' t $t t e Metro.ol!t$n Pl$nn!n" Aut or!ty !s "!%en t e res.ons!b!l!ty o& construct!n" ro$'s $n' t e!r m$!nten$nce. -ut, Mr S.e$*er, un'er D 8 Funct!ons o& t e Aut or!ty, ;"0 t$l*s o& t e construct!on o& ro$'s, $n' t ese m!5e' u. roles w!ll cre$te con&us!on $n' s oul' be $%o!'e'. T e comm!ttee $lso obser%e' t $t Art!cle D<;@0;b0 o& t e Const!tut!on .ro%!'es &or one #om$n Re.resent$t!%e &or e%ery '!str!ct. # en T e )$m.$l$ C$.!t$l C!ty -!ll becomes l$w, Art!cle 243 o& t e Const!tut!on w!ll sto. $..ly!n" $n' )$m.$l$ w!ll no lon"er be $ '!str!ct. # $t t en $..ens to t e #om$n MP> #e $%e $s*e' t $t =uest!on so t $t !t c$n be $nswere' by $ll o& us. Sect!on 2: o& t e -!ll .ro%!'es &or t e Metro.ol!t$n Pol!ce w !c s $ll com.r!se o& .ersons $..o!nte' un'er t e Pol!ce Act, but .$!' by t e Aut or!ty. T e comm!ttee obser%e' t $t en&orcement o& or'!n$nces, l$ws $n' re"ul$t!ons, $n' bye8l$ws !s $ m$9or &$ctor !n t e $'m!n!str$t!on o& t e Aut or!ty. To entrust t !s &unct!on to $ &orce t $t !s un'er t e rules o& en"$"ement o& $not er $"ency !s to 'eny t e $ut or!ty o& !ts e&&ect!%eness. T e Pol!ce o&&!cers w!ll owe $lle"!$nce to t e Ins.ector 1ener$l o& Pol!ce $n' not to t e E5ecut!%e ,!rector o& t e Aut or!ty. Sect!on 4;:0 o& t e -!ll .ro%!'es &or t e /or' M$yor $n' t e ,e.uty M$yor to be &ull8t!me em.loyees o& t e Aut or!ty. T e comm!ttee $s, owe%er, obser%e' t $t m$*!n" t e /or' M$yor $n' ,e.uty M$yor &ull8t!me em.loyees o& t e Aut or!ty w!ll cre$te $ &ert!le "roun' &or con&l!ct between t e /or' M$yor, !s ,e.uty $n' t e E5ecut!%e ,!rector. #e $%e m$'e $ recommen'$t!on, but $"$!n, $r!s!n" &rom w $t t e m!n!ster $s s$!', t e elect!ons w!ll be un'er $'ult su&&r$"e $n' not !n" w!ll c $n"e our recommen'$t!on. Sect!on D4 o& t e -!ll .ro%!'es &or t e .owers "!%en to t e m!n!ster res.ons!ble &or t e c$.!t$l c!ty. T e comm!ttee, owe%er, obser%e' t $t t ere $..e$rs to be too muc .ower .l$ce' !n t e $n's o& t e m!n!ster to %$ry $n' resc!n' $ny 'ec!s!on o& t e Aut or!ty, w !c !s !n contr$%ent!on o& $ny l$w. #e $%e $lso m$'e recommen'$t!ons on t $t. Recommen'$t!ons @. T e comm!ttee recommen's t $t 1o%ernment s oul' .ro'uce $ %!su$l re.resent$t!on o& t e new .ro.ose' )$m.$l$ C!ty. T e boun'$r!es .rescr!be' !n t e secon' sc e'ule o& t e -!ll re=u!re to be $m.l!&!e' by "r$. !c$l re.resent$t!on &or e$se o& un'erst$n'!n" by $ll st$*e ol'ers. E%en w en t e m!n!ster $s s$!' )$m.$l$ C!ty w!ll rem$!n $s t e current )$m.$l$ ,!str!ct, $t $ cert$!n moment we s $ll nee' to *now w $t e5$ctly t $t me$ns. T e comm!ttee recommen's t $t !n or'er to be cons!stent w!t t e nomencl$ture !n t e -!ll, t e lower urb$n counc!ls be c$lle' urb$n $ut or!t!es. T !s !s to $%o!' t e use o& /oc$l 1o%ernment nomencl$ture w !c )$m.$l$ C!ty !s o&&!n". /ower urb$n counc!ls $re loc$l "o%ernments $n' t e m!5 u. s oul' be $%o!'e' $s muc $s .oss!ble. Un'er cl$use 23 o& t e -!ll 8 Metro.ol!t$n P ys!c$l Pl$nn!n" Aut or!ty, t e comm!ttee recommen's t $t t e com.etence o& urb$n 'e%elo.ment .l$nn!n" be $''e'. T !s com.etence !nclu'es, . ys!c$l .l$nn!n" $n' urb$n m$n$"ement. T e com.etence o& urb$n 'e%elo.ment .l$nn!n" !s m!ss!n" $n' we $re recommen'!n" t $t !t s oul' be $''e'. T e comm!ttee recommen's t $t t e Metro.ol!t$n P ys!c$l Pl$nn!n" Aut or!ty s oul' not restr!ct !tsel& to t e 'e%elo.ment o& bro$' .l$nn!n" sc emes. T e .l$nn!n" o& 'et$!le' ne!" bour oo' .l$ns s oul' be t e res.ons!b!l!ty o& t e c$.!t$l c!ty $ut or!ty or $ny ot er $ut or!ty w!t !n t e 9ur!s'!ct!on o& t e Metro.ol!t$n Aut or!ty. 6

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T e comm!ttee $lso recommen's t $t $ '!rector$te o& . ys!c$l .l$nn!n" s oul' be est$bl!s e' $s one o& t e '!rector$tes o& t e Aut or!ty to s.ec!&!c$lly 'e$l w!t . ys!c$l .l$nn!n", bec$use t $t $' been le&t out !n t e '!rector$tes o& t e Aut or!ty. T e 'el!ne$t!on o& Men"o Mun!c!.$l!ty !s $ .ol!t!c$l 'ec!s!on. T e comm!ttee recommen'e' t $t 1o%ernment s oul' cle$rly 'e&!ne !ts rel$t!ons !. w!t Men"o on t e &ollow!n" !n .$rt!cul$r? !. In&r$structur$l .l$nn!n" o& Men"o Mun!c!.$l!ty+ !!. Pol!c!n" "$rb$"e collect!on $n' '!s.os$l+ $n' !!!. Street l!" t!n" $n' .$yment o& street l!" t!n".

T $t !s, ow 'oes t e "o%ernment w$nt to rel$te w!t Men"o !n t ose $re$s. In conclus!on, t e comm!ttee recommen's t $t t e )$m.$l$ C$.!t$l C!ty -!ll, 2334 be .$sse' !nto l$w sub9ect to t e $men'ments t $t we s $ll br!n" w en we re$c Comm!ttee St$"e. I t $n* you, Mr S.e$*er. THE SPEAKER: T $n* you %ery muc , C $!rm$n $n' members o& t e comm!ttee. 6.AD MR ERIAS !UK,A#O %-P, Kam3a&a "e01ra&, Kam3a&a+: T $n* you, Mr S.e$*er &or t !s o..ortun!ty $n' t $n* you, C $!r.erson o& t e comm!ttee $n' t e m!n!ster &or t e .resent$t!on. T e rules re=u!re t $t w en $ m$tter comes u. &or 'eb$te, !& you $%e !nterests or you $re $n !ntereste' .$rty, you 'ecl$re your !nterest be&ore .rocee'!n" w!t t e 'eb$te. Mr S.e$*er, I woul' w!s to "o on recor' t $t I $m $n !ntereste' .$rty $n' I w!ll 'eb$te on t $t .rem!se. I woul' w!s to "o on recor' t $t I 'o !nten' to st$n' &or t e .os!t!on o& m$yor !n )$m.$l$ $n' I w$nte' to '!sclose t $t r!" t &rom t e be"!nn!n". H$%!n" s$!' t $t, $llow me to m$*e t e &ollow!n" obser%$t!ons. One, r!" t &rom t e t!me t !s -!ll w$s t$ble' be&ore t !s House, !t r$!se' $ lot o& $n5!ety w!t !n t e .ol!t!c$l bo'y $n' .$rt!cul$rly ere !n )$m.$l$. It w$s rece!%e' w!t m!5e' &eel!n"s $n' t e s.!r!t o& 1o%ernment w$s re$lly 'oubte' $s to w et er !t w$s !nten'e' to stre$ml!ne t e $'m!n!str$t!on o& t e c!ty or !t w$s $bout .ower stru""le 9ust to t$*e o%er m$n$"ement o& t e c!ty by t e Centre, NRM c$n'!'$tes $%!n" &$!le' to w!n "ener$l elect!ons. I $m ec o!n" sent!ments 8 THE SPEAKER: Honour$ble, w $t !s cle$r $n' w ere we s oul' not w$ste our t!me !s t e =uest!on o& w et er Centr$l 1o%ernment !s t$*!n" o%er )$m.$l$. T !s !s cle$rly s.elt out !n t e Const!tut!on. It !s not $ .ol!cy m$tter, but $ =uest!on o& !m.lement!n" t e .ro%!s!on o& t e Const!tut!on, w !c .ro%!'e t $t )$m.$l$ C!ty Counc!l s $ll be un'er t e Centr$l 1o%ernment. MR !UK,A#O: Most obl!"e', Mr S.e$*er, but I $m $lso $l!%e to t e .ro%!s!ons o& Art!cle @;A0 w !c .ro%!'e &or .eo.le(s .ower to 'ec!'e w o s oul' "o%ern t em $n' ow t ey s oul' be "o%erne' $n' I $m $..y H be .$t!ent, on. M!n!ster. ,on(t you w$nt me to "o on recor' t $t I 'o $..rec!$te t e .os!t!on t$*en by t e m!n!ster to $men' t e -!ll $n' s$y t $t now elect!ons s $ll be b$se' on t e .r!nc!.le o& $'ult su&&r$"e> T !s !s t e $llm$r* o& 'emocr$cy, w !c we $re try!n" to nurture !n t !s country. /et us not rew!n' t e cloc* b$c* to t e ol' loc$l counc!l system o& l!n!n" u. be !n' $ c$n'!'$te. H$%!n" s$!' t $t, I woul' $lso w!s to $..rec!$te t e m!n!ster(s .os!t!on to $men' t e -!ll !n res.ect to t e cl$uses rel$t!n" to t e $lter!n" o& boun'$r!es. It $' $lso r$!se' &e$rs !n %$r!ous c!rcles .$rt!cul$rly w!t !n t e -u"$n'$ )!n"'om, $bout t e r$t!on$le $n' o& course t e const!tut!on$l !m.l!c$t!ons w !c $' been r$!se'. 7

It w$s .er&ectly !n or'er &or t e m!n!ster to t$*e t $t .os!t!on, but e%en w!t t ose su""este' $men'ments, t ere $re st!ll $ number o& !ssues to be $''resse' !n t !s -!ll. One !s on t e =uest!on o& t e .owers o& t e /or' M$yor #is(a(#is t e E5ecut!%e ,!rector. I see $ .otent!$l '$n"er ere. T ere !s too muc .ower %este' !n t e O&&!ce o& t e E5ecut!%e ,!rector $s o..ose' to t e /or' M$yor. Yes, t e -!ll s$ys t $t t e /or' M$yor s $ll be t e .ol!t!c$l e$', but more or less, t e e5ecut!%e .owers $re %este' !n t e O&&!ce o& t e E5ecut!%e ,!rector. T e =uest!on woul' be, F# o woul' be su.er!or to w om>G # o !s $nswer$ble to w om> Is t e /or' M$yor $nswer$ble to t e E5ecut!%e ,!rector or !s !t t e E5ecut!%e ,!rector w o !s $nswer$ble to t e /or' M$yor> T ese $re !ssues t $t we nee' to $''ress. Secon'ly, t e not!on /or' M$yor .resu..oses t $t t ere $re subor'!n$te $ut or!t!es e$'e' by $ m$yor or r$t er m$yors $t '!%!s!on$l le%el. ,o we st!ll $%e t $t .os!t!on or t e m!n!ster !nten's to $men' !t so t $t t e '!%!s!on e$'s rem$!n w!t t e t!tle o& c $!r.ersons $n' we ret$!n t e current st$tus =uo, or $re we "o!n" to $%e %$r!ous .ower centres w!t m$yors $s t!tles> Also, on t e =uest!on o& t e %eto .owers o& t e m!n!ster, I $m $..y w!t t e obser%$t!ons o& t e comm!ttee t $t t ese .owers $re too muc $n' t $t we nee'e' to str!*e $ b$l$nce. Yes, t e m!n!ster s oul' $%e $ s$y !n t e m$n$"ement o& t e c!ty, but we s oul' loo* $t t e bro$'er .ol!cy o& 'e%olut!on o& .owers to t e loc$l $ut or!ty+ t e m!n!ster w!t t e .r!nc!.le o& Ieyes on, $n's o&&(, but now you c$n see t e m!n!ster !s not only $%!n" !s eyes on, but e%en !n '!rect control !n t e c!ty, $n' e $s o%err!'!n" .owers to 'ec!'e w !c 'ec!s!on !s to be u. el' or w !c !s to be resc!n'e'. T $t !s $lso $ rec!.e &or '!s$ster. F!n$lly, on t e t!m!n" o& t !s -!ll, I c$n see t $t t !s -!ll $&&ects t e current elector$l system !n one w$y or t e ot er. Nom!n$t!on &or loc$l counc!ls !n )$m.$l$ !s 9ust t e '$y $&ter tomorrow $n' I c$n see .eo.le $re $lre$'y .re.$r!n" &or nom!n$t!ons+ t e Elector$l Comm!ss!on !s $lre$'y or"$n!s!n" t e elect!ons, $n' t en we come u. w!t $ l$w w !c !s "o!n" !n one w$y or t e ot er to $&&ect t e elector$l system $n' !t must be $ssente' to by t e Pres!'ent. T ere $re $re$s, l!*e &or e5$m.le, we $re t$l*!n" o& counsellors w o $re "o!n" to re.resent st$tutory bo'!es, NEMA, 'octors, $n' $rc !tects. It !s $ll ere $n' we $%e to $%e $ mec $n!sm or .roce'ure on ow t ey $re "o!n" to be electe'. T ey $re counsellors w o $re e58o&&!c!os $n' w o $re "o!n" to re.resent m!n!str!es. T ere must be re"ul$t!ons to "u!'e t e Elector$l Comm!ss!on on ow to con'uct t ose elect!ons $n' t e Elector$l Comm!ss!on $s $lw$ys com.l$!ne' $bout l$ws be!n" .$sse' l$te. T e ot er '$y we were !n court w!t t e Elector$l Comm!ss!on. T ere !s $ l$w we .$sse' ere $n' I $' to c $llen"e t e Elector$l Comm!ss!on !n courts o& l$w w en t ey &$!le' to com.ly w!t t e re=u!rement to .ubl!s t e l!st o& $ll .l$ces w ere t e %oters( re"!ster w$s su..ose' to be '!s.l$ye'. I went to court $n' "ot $ 9u'"ement o& court w ere court s$!' loo*, t e Elector$l Comm!ss!on ne%er com.l!e' w!t t !s l$w $n' s oul' '!s.l$y t e re"!ster $"$!n. T e comm!ss!on !s s$y!n" no, t e l$w c$me l$te $n' we $re not re$'y to com.ly w!t t $t l$w. I $m won'er!n" !& we .$sse' t !s l$w to'$y 8 ()nterruption MRS O#,A!: T $n* you, Mr S.e$*er. -e&ore t e Member ol'!n" t e Floor conclu'es !s .resent$t!on, I w$nt to "!%e !m !n&orm$t!on b$se' on my *nowle'"e o& w $t "oes on !n ot er c!t!es. I $%e been $ble to meet =u!te $ number o& m$yors !n &ore!"n countr!es $n' I $%e '!sco%ere', $n' I t !n* !t !s true, t $t m$yors 8 t $t !s w y t ey $re c$lle' /or' M$yors 8 $re re$lly su..ose' to Flor'G o%er t !n"s. T e!r le$'ers !. !s ceremon!$l. T ey $re not su..ose' to en"$"e !n t e *!n' o& &unct!on$l wor* t $t U"$n'$ns seem to t !n* t e M$yor o& )$m.$l$ s oul' 'o. I t !n* t !s !s w ere t e system $s bro*en 'own. T e m$yor s oul' be ceremon!$l+ t e m$yor s oul' $%e '!st!n"u!s e' wor* cle$rly 'e&!ne' $n' 8

we s oul' $%e e5.erts $n' $'m!n!str$tors to run t e $&&$!rs o& t e c!ty. I t !n* t !s !s &rom t e !ntern$t!on$l .erce.t!on o& w $t $ m$yor !s su..ose' to be. I w$nt to "!%e t !s !n&orm$t!on !n "oo' &$!t so t $t !& !t coul' el. us 'es!"n $ "oo' l$w H ('pplause * !n $ny c$se, t e Attorney81ener$l *nows t $t F,C !s l!*ely to t$*e o%er 1o%ernment+ so, w y $re you worr!e'> (%au&hter Mr S.e$*er, I w$nt t !s !n&orm$t!on to el. t ose w o m$y be .re9u'!c!$l $bout t e ob9ect!%es o& w $t !s st$te' ere. I *now t ere $re $ number o& t !n"s t $t we nee' to cle$n u., but I *now t $t we nee' to "!%e t e r!" t 9ob 'escr!.t!on to t e M$yor o& )$m.$l$. It !s only t $t w$y t $t we $re "o!n" to cle$n t e c!ty o& )$m.$l$. I t $n* you. MR !UK,A#O: Hon. Cec!l!$ O"w$l, I t $n* you &or t $t !n&orm$t!on $n' I t$*e !t !n "oo' &$!t . -ut t e !ssue !s t $t t e /or' M$yor, $ccor'!n" to t !s -!ll $n' $ccor'!n" to t e l$w, s oul' $%e .ol!t!c$l $ut or!ty. He !s t e .ol!t!c$l e$'. I won'er ow $ .ol!t!c$l le$'er woul' 9ust be ceremon!$l. T e ne5t t !n" you *now, you w!ll be t$l*!n" $bout $ ceremon!$l .res!'ent. So, !n t !s .$rt!cul$r c$se, I t !n* t e /or' M$yor s oul' $%e e5ecut!%e .owers to e&&ect!%ely .l$y t e o%ers!" t roles bec$use t $t !s t e *ey &unct!on o& t e /or' M$yor $n' counsel 8 t e .ol!t!c$l le$'ers !. to .l$y t e o%ers!" t role !n t e counc!l. Ot erw!se, I t $n* you &or t e $men'ments you $%e m$'e, on. m!n!ster. I t$l*e' $bout t e -!ll be!n" brou" t l$te+ so, I 'o not *now ow you $re "o!n" to $''ress t !s, bec$use on T urs'$y morn!n", we $re "o!n" $ e$' w!t t e nom!n$t!ons. I t $n* you, Mr S.e$*er. 6.:4 MR .OHN KA,AN#A %-P, Masa2a Mu0)4)3a&)1y, Masa2a+: I t $n* you, Mr S.e$*er. I t $n* t e m!n!ster &or $%!n" $mbus e' us !n t e w$y e $s 'one. It !s re"rett$ble bec$use t e 'ec!s!on $bout )$m.$l$ w$s m$'e w!t t e $men'ment to t e Const!tut!on !n 233:. T !s -!ll w$s brou" t !n 2334. It !s un&ortun$te t $t t !s 'eb$te $s been brou" t two '$ys be&ore nom!n$t!ons $re on, $n' !t concerns m$tters w !c $re so .ert!nent. It !s $ re&lect!on on t e .l$nn!n" $rr$n"ements o& 1o%ernment. T $t !s t e worst I c$n s$y $bout !t. It !s $lso necess$ry t $t )$m.$l$ !s $n'le' !n $ s.ec!&!c m$nner. It !s s$' t $t we $%e "ot $ c!ty t $t !s currently t e w$y !t !s or w !c !s $'m!n!stere' !n t e m$nner t $t !t !s. T !s !s somet !n" t $t s oul' $%e been $n'le' $ lon" t!me $"o. # en t e $men'ments were brou" t $bout $ ye$r $"o, t e s.!r!t o& t e Act or t e -!ll t en w$s !" ly .us e' to t e b$c*. I $m $..y to note t $t 1o%ernment $..e$rs to $%e t$*en note o& t e reser%$t!ons or t e &e$rs o& t e %$r!ous st$*e ol'ers $n' $s mo%e' t e $men'ments, but !t loo*s l!*e e%en t e c $!rm$n o& t e comm!ttee $s been t$*en by sur.r!se $bout t ose re$l $men'ments. I $m $..y t $t t e /or' M$yor !s "o!n" to be '!rectly electe'. I $m $..y t $t l$n' owners !. !ssues $%e not been m!5e' u. w!t t e . ys!c$l .l$nn!n" &unct!ons, $n' I $m $lso $..y t $t 1o%ernment $ctu$lly sees nee' to $%e )$m.$l$ $n'le' !n $ new $tmos. ere. -ut be t $t $s !t m$y, cert$!n t !n"s now $r!se. One, 'o we $%e t e . ys!c$l .l$nners w o $re "o!n" to !m.lement t !s -!ll> I $m $s*!n" t !s =uest!on bec$use not so lon" $"o, t !s %ery House .$sse' t e P ys!c$l Pl$nn!n" Act $n' !t !s $lre$'y $n Act o& P$rl!$ment. It w$s me$nt to co%er t e w ole country, )$m.$l$ !nclus!%e, but e%er s!nce !t w$s .$sse', nobo'y $s t$*en t e !n!t!$t!%e to see !t !m.lemente'. #e 'o not e%en *now w en !ts commencement !s "o!n" to t$*e .l$ce. # $t "u$r$ntee 'o we $%e t en t $t $&ter we .$ss t !s -!ll !nto $n Act, !t w!ll be !m.lemente'> ()nterruption MR KA ABUSA ,ERIKHE: T $n* you, Mr S.e$*er $n' I woul' l!*e to t $n* my colle$"ue &or "!%!n" w$y. T e P ys!c$l Pl$nn!n" Act t $t w$s .$sse' $s $lre$'y st$rte' wor*!n". #e $re 9

!m.lement!n" !t. You nee' to "o on t e "roun'. So, we c$nnot come ere $n' tell you t $t !t !s wor*!n" t !s mont . T e . ys!c$l .l$nn!n" -!lls t $t $re subm!tte' $re scrut!n!se' $ccor'!n" to t e new Act, $n' t e .l$nners $re be!n" recru!te' $ccor'!n" to t e new Act, $n' t $t !s w $t we $re 'o!n" now. So, t e Act !s wor*!n". I be" to re.ort. MR KA,AN#A: I t $n* t e m!n!ster &or t $t !n&orm$t!on, but w en you re$' t e P ys!c$l Pl$nn!n" Act, t ere !s $ commencement '$te &or t $t Act. It must be by $ st$tutory !nstrument !ssue' by t e m!n!ster, to tell us t e commencement '$te. H$s t $t !nstrument been .$sse'> So, !& !t $s re$lly been .$sse', ow $re we !m.lement!n" t $t Act> -ut let me br!n" t $t to t e not!ce o& t e m!n!ster so t $t e 'oes t e nee'&ul, $n' $s &$r $s t $t Act !s concerne', !ts commencement !s "o!n" to be $ '!&&erent '$te $n' !t $s to be st$te'. So, t $t $s.ect $s to be $n'le' !& t $t Act $s to be !m.lemente'. -ut be t $t $s !t m$y, e%en t e bo'!es t $t !m.lement !t $re n$me' $n' t ey !nclu'e )$m.$l$. So, !& t $t Act !s to .$ss, t en we m$y $%e to m$*e $n $men'ment w !c e5clu'es )$m.$l$ &rom t e o.er$t!on o& t e P ys!c$l Pl$nn!n" Act !& t !s one $s to come !nto e5ecut!on. T e ot er !ssue !s, !& you $re "o!n" to $men' t e Act to m$*e t e /or' M$yor electe' by e%erybo'y !n )$m.$l$ $n' yet you $%e "ot $n E5ecut!%e ,!rector, ow $re you "o!n" to $n'le t e con&l!ct o& !nterest o& $n electe' m$yor w o t !n*s e $s t e m$n'$te o& t e .eo.le $n' $n $..o!nte' e5ecut!%e '!rector w o rece!%es '!rect!%es &rom t e Centr$l 1o%ernment> T !s !s somet !n" t $t $s to be $n'le'+ ot erw!se we $re "o!n" to run !nto con&l!ct. # $t $bout t e ot er counc!llors w o w!ll be electe'> # $t w!ll be t e!r &unct!on !& t ey $%e to ol' elect!%e o&&!ces> T e ot er !ssue !s t e rel$t!ons !. between )$m.$l$ C!ty, w ose boun'$r!es $%e now been 'e&!ne', $n' $ll t e ne!" bour!n" '!str!cts. I& )$m.$l$ $s to be .l$nne', !t !s necess$ry t $t e%en t e ne!" bour!n" '!str!cts $%e to be .l$nne' $n' t ose .l$ns s oul' be $ble to $rmon!se w!t t e ones o& )$m.$l$ C!ty. How $re you "o!n" to $n'le t $t !& you $re o.er$t!n" un'er '!&&erent st$tutes> T$*e t e e5$m.le o& !n&r$structure+ !& we $re to est$bl!s $ r$!lw$y system w !c o.er$tes &rom )$m.$l$ to -ulob$ $n' beyon', or e%en Entebbe, w !c s oul' be !n .l$ce by now, ow $re we "o!n" to $n'le !t between t e e5!st!n" le"!sl$t!ons $n' t e one t $t we $re now "o!n" to .$ss> F!n$lly, I woul' l!*e to t$l* $bout t e =uest!on o& costs. One o& t e '!s$sters o& )$m.$l$ !s t $t !t $s 'e&!e' .l$nn!n" bec$use t e .eo.le w o l!%e !n !t $%e not been tol' t $t t ey must be .$rt o& $ .l$nne' c!ty. # ene%er you t$l* $bout .l$nn!n", .eo.le s$y t $t t ey must be com.ens$te', w !c !s $bsolutely r!" t bec$use cert$!n t !n"s $%e to be bro*en 'own !& t e .l$ns $re to t$*e .l$ce. -ut $s 1o%ernment t$*en !nto $ccount t e *!n' o& costs t $t $re "o!n" to be !n%ol%e' !n !m.lement!n" w $te%er . ys!c$l .l$ns you $re "o!n" to .ut !n .l$ce> An' !& you $%e .l$nne' &or )$m.$l$, w $t $bout t e ne!" our!n" '!str!cts, bec$use t ey too, $%e to be t$*en !nto $ccount> I $m s$y!n" t !s bec$use, &or t ose o& you w o $%e seen $ &ew ro$'s t $t $re be!n" 'one H you re.$!r $ murr$m ro$' to'$y or e%en !n t e outs*!rts o& )$m.$l$, but t e &ollow!n" '$y, t e .eo.le w o $re !n t e ne!" bour oo' st$rt construct!n" t e!r own um.s bec$use t ey t !n* t e %e !cles w!ll now be runn!n" $t $ &$ster s.ee'. T e .roblem !s t $t t ey m$*e unm$r*e' um.s w!t nobo'y '!sc!.l!n!n" t em. So, !& you $%e to t$l* $bout . ys!c$l .l$nn!n", w $t s$nct!ons $re you "o!n" to .ut !n .l$ce to ensure t ose .eo.le w o 'o not com.ly w!t t e .l$ns $re $n'le'> T !s s oul' be t$*en !nto $ccount bec$use !t !s t e r!c .eo.le 8 t e !m.ort$nt .eo.le, w o 'o not com.ly w!t t e .l$ns. You see t em bu!l'!n" !n wetl$n's $n' c$us!n" $ll t e $%oc $roun' w!t !m.un!ty. # $t "u$r$ntee 'o we $%e t $t $&ter .$ss!n" t !s -!ll !nto l$w, !t w!ll be !m.lemente'> 10

I woul' l!*e, owe%er, to s$y t $t !t !s $ $..y moment &or us to be $ble to $''ress t e =uest!on o& $'m!n!ster!n" )$m.$l$ !n $ mo'ern w$y. I t $n* you, Mr S.e$*er. A.3< MR HASSAN KAPS UN#AROO % -", Obo0*) "ou01y, Moyo+: T $n* you %ery muc , Mr S.e$*er. I t $n* t e comm!ttee &or t e re.ort. I woul' l!*e to loo* $t t !s -!ll !n t ree .ers.ect!%es. One, !s t e .ers.ect!%e o& $ &unct!on$l $'m!n!str$t!%e $'9ustment !n res.ect o& t e o&&!ce o& H!s /or's !., t e M$yor o& )$m.$l$, $n' t e c!%!l $'m!n!str$tor H t e .erson to 'e$l w!t t e $'m!n!str$t!on tec n!c$lly. T e secon' $s.ect !s t $t o& t e . ys!c$l $'9ustment to t e "eo"r$. !c$l $re$s o& )$m.$l$. I e5.ecte' $ m$. o& t e c!ty $s !t !s to'$y, $tt$c e' to t !s re.ort. I $m sure t $t t e '!str!cts t $t $re ne!" bour!n" )$m.$l$ $re "row!n" $n' $re l!*ely to mer"e w!t )$m.$l$. So, t e rel$t!ons !. between )$m.$l$ $n' t ose ot er '!str!cts !n terms o& m$..!n" nee'e' to be $tt$c e' ere. T !s me$ns t $t t !s -!ll re=u!re' consult$t!ons w!t t e .eo.le bot !n )$m.$l$ $n' t e ne!" bour!n" $re$s. 1!%en t e t!me &$ctor #is(a(#is t e elect!ons o& 23@@ !nto w !c we $%e so &$r entere', $n' t ere be!n" two c$te"or!es o& conten'ers nom!n$te' so &$r 8 t e .res!'ent!$l c$n'!'$tes $n' t e /C III, !n two '$ys( t!me, nom!n$t!ons &or /C E w!ll be $n'le'. So, ow $re t e ne!" bour!n" '!str!cts "o!n" to res.on' to t !s -!ll w en !t becomes $ l$w> S oul' t e!r elect!ons be $&&ecte' by t e l$w t $t !s "o!n" to come out o& t !s -!ll> How $re t e elect!ons "o!n" to be $rmon!se' w!t t e re=u!rements o& t e new l$w> I, t ere&ore, subm!t t $t t !s -!ll be w!t el' unt!l $&ter t e elect!ons. I t $n* you. A.@2 MR .AMES AKENA %UP", !)ra Mu0)4)3a&)1y, !)ra+: T $n* you, Mr S.e$*er. I w!s to r$!se some concerns !n one .$rt!cul$r $re$. T e onour$ble m!n!ster !n !s .resent$t!on tr!e' to co%er .$rt o& !t, but !t !s un&ortun$te t !s !s t e one sect!on t $t t e c $!rm$n o& t e comm!ttee le&t out, yet !t co%ers t e .ur.ose o& t !s -!ll. #e $re 'eb$t!n" t !s -!ll, but we $re not loo*!n" cle$rly $t w $t !ts .ur.ose !s. Follow!n" w $t t e on. M!n!ster s$!', I $%e $ lot more concerns. Amon" t e !ssues to be $''resse' by t !s -!ll !s t e !m.ro%ement o& ro$'s, 'r$!n$"e $n' t e sewer$"e systems w!t !n )$m.$l$ C!ty. -ut we $%e not t ou" t $bout t e &$ct t $t t !s .roblem !s not un!=ue to )$m.$l$ $lone. So, !& t $t !s t e .r!nc!.le un'er w !c we $re br!n"!n" t !s -!ll w ere t ere $re .ot oles, somebo'y s oul' t$*e res.ons!b!l!ty. In t e mun!c!.$l!ty t $t I re.resent, we $re $lso 'rown!n" !n .ot oles. T e 'r$!n$"e system !s e=u$lly coll$.s!n". T e sewer$"e $n' t e s$n!t$t!on s!tu$t!on !s e%en worse w ere t e Centr$l 1o%ernment $s res.ons!b!l!ty. An' $s you m$y be $w$re, I $%e on se%er$l occ$s!ons r$!se' t e m$tter t $t t e Pol!ce b$rr$c*s !n my mun!c!.$l!ty !s $ b!" .roblem. E$c t!me !t r$!ns, we "et worr!e' $bout c oler$ $n' 'ysentery s.re$'!n" to t e ne$rby sc ools. I& t e t eory !s t $t Centr$l 1o%ernment c$n $''ress t !s .roblem $n' !t !s $lso co%er!n" t e $re$ o& ro$'s H o& recent Centr$l 1o%ernment too* o%er $ number o& ro$'s. Yes, t ey $%e 'one some wor*+ but some o& t e ro$'s $re $ctu$lly !n $ worse s!tu$t!on t $n t ey were !n, be&ore Centr$l 1o%ernment too* o%er t em. In t ose c!rcumst$nces, w ere 'o we now tr$ns&er t e res.ons!b!l!ty> I $m concerne' t $t !& 1o%ernment $s not 'emonstr$te' $b!l!ty to $''ress some o& t ese .roblems !n ot er $re$s, w $t m$*es us t !n* t $t by t$*!n" o%er )$m.$l$ C!ty, t ey w!ll $''ress t ese .roblems> T e .l$nn!n" !ssue o& )$m.$l$ '!' not be"!n yester'$y. T e .roblems t $t $%e 'e%elo.e' '!' not be"!n yester'$y+ t ey $re !ssues t $t $%e been on"o!n". #e now &!n' $ s!tu$t!on !n )$m.$l$ w ere one c$nnot '!rect t e!r %!s!tors to t e!r .l$ces o& res!'ence. T !s $s tr!c*le' to t e mun!c!.$l!t!es $n' ot er towns, w !c 'el!%er s!m!l$r ser%!ces l!*e )$m.$l$ w!t !n t e!r re"!ons. 11

Are we sure t $t t !s -!ll !s re$lly $''ress!n" t e .roblems $s st$te' or t ere $re some ot er re$sons be !n' t e t$bl!n" o& t !s -!ll> T e m!n!ster r$!se' $ concern t $t t e &!re ser%!ces s oul' re$c $ll $re$s. -ut two ye$rs $"o, !n /!r$ Mun!c!.$l!ty, we $' $ &!re $n' t e closest &!re en"!ne w$s !n 1ulu. T e ne5t one w$s !n Sorot!. Centr$l 1o%ernment t $t be$rs t e res.ons!b!l!ty $s not $''resse' !t. #e $%e numerous &!res !n %$r!ous mun!c!.$l!t!es $cross t e country. How !s t !s -!ll "o!n" to $''ress some o& t ese "l$r!n" .roblems> Is t ere some m!r$cle be !n' t !s -!ll w !c !s su''enly "o!n" to m$*e cert$!n &unct!ons wor* more e&&!c!ently t $n t ey $%e, .re%!ously> My only concern !s, c$n we cle$rly st$te w $t t e -!ll !s su..ose' to $''ress $n' ow t !s -!ll !s s.ec!&!c$lly "o!n" to $''ress t ose .roblems> T $n* you, Mr S.e$*er. THE SPEAKER: In t e EIP "$llery t !s $&ternoon, we $%e Mr N!col$s 'e Torrente, Pro"r$mme M$n$"er, ,ee.en!n" ,emocr$cy Pro"r$mme, $n' Mr S!mon Osborne, Com.onent M$n$"er, Pol!t!c$l P$rt!es $n' P$rl!$ment$ry ,ee.en!n" ,emocr$cy Pro"r$mme. T ese $re our 'e%elo.ment .$rtners+ t ey $re ere to obser%e t e bus!ness con'ucte' !n t e House. You $re most welcome. ; 'pplause A.@D MR THEO-ORE SSEKIKUBO %NRM, !(em)ya*a "ou01y, Ssembabu&e+: T $n* you %ery muc , Mr S.e$*er. I r!se to su..ort t e mot!on !n $s &$r $s !t !s $ttem.t!n" to $''ress t e numerous .roblems !n )$m.$l$ C!ty. )$m.$l$ C!ty nee'e' more $ttent!on yester'$y t $n to'$y. A c!ty t $t !s t e m!rror o& t e country re$lly nee'e' subst$nt!$l e&&ort, w !c !s 'el!ber$te !n %!ew o& t e .l$nn!n" $n' t e runn!n" o& t e c!ty l!*e ot er worl' c$.!t$ls. # en you w$l* on t e streets o& )$m.$l$+ w en you "o to rece!%e ser%!ces ren'ere' by t e c!ty 8 t !s !s t e only c!ty w !c w$s .l$nne' &or s!5 m!ll!on U"$n'$ns, but now we $re 6@ m!ll!on U"$n'$ns. You loo* $t t e c!ty+ you &$!l to "et .$r*!n" $n' t e ser%!ces 8 loo* $t t e ro$'s t $t $re be!n" constructe' !n )$m.$l$. Imme'!$tely t e ro$' !s constructe', N$t!on$l #$ter $n' Sewer$"e '!"s t e ro$'+ t e .osts $n' telecommun!c$t!ons '!" t rou" t e s$me ro$'+ e%en w!t out $ny .ose, you &!n' ot er ser%!ce .ro%!'ers c$rry!n" out contr$'!ctory wor*s $lon" t e c!ty streets. I woul' l!*e to ur"e Members t $t !t !s !" t!me we $' $ .l$nne' c!ty. T e ot er '$y, I w$s !n N$!rob!, but $..$rently !t seems to be $ ste. $ e$'. E%en t e ro$' &rom t e 7omo )eny$tt$ Intern$t!on$l A!r.ort to N$!rob!, you c$nnot com.$re !t w!t t !s one &rom )$m.$l$ to Entebbe, 'es.!te t e &$ct t $t we $%e 9ust recently oste' CHO1M. #e m!sse' t e o..ortun!ty to $%e $ 'u$l c$rr!$"e ro$' $n' I t ou" t, m$ybe !t !s !" t!me we $' $ centr$l .l$nn!n" un!t $n' $n' o%er t e c!ty to $ com.etent bo'y, $n' I stron"ly su..ort t !s $rr$n"ement. H$%!n" s$!' t $t, t e mere .utt!n" u. o& )$m.$l$ $s $ se.$r$te ent!ty &rom t e rest o& t e country 8 I t !n* t $t !n our .l$nn!n", we 'o not cons!'er t e current boun'$r!es o& t e c!ty, bec$use t e c!ty !s e5.$n'!n", but t e m!n!ster $s 9ust conce'e' t $t t e boun'$r!es o& )$m.$l$ s $ll rem$!n $s t ey $re. T !s !s '$n"erous !n $ sense t $t we $re com!n" out to .l$n to see ow )$m.$l$ &!ts w!t t e ne!" bour!n" '!str!cts l!*e Mu*ono, M.!"!, #$*!so $n' ot ers. I& we l!m!t t e o.er$t!on o& t e -!ll to t ose $re$s o& t e current boun'$r!es, !t m$y not "!%e &ull we!" t to t e essence o& t e -!ll J THE SPEAKER: Hon. Member, we $re 'e$l!n" w!t somet !n" w !c w$s $ comm$n' o& t e Const!tut!on $n' w en you re$' Art!cle :, you w!ll &!n' out w $t const!tutes U"$n'$. You w!ll &!n' t $t t ey t$l* $bout re"!ons, t e c$.!t$l, $n' '!str!cts. I& you $re to e5.$n' t e c$.!t$l, w !c !s No.2 !n t e br!c*s m$*!n" U"$n'$, you w!ll be m!5!n" u. br!c*s+ t $t !s w y I t !n* e $s s$!' t ey w!ll not t$*e 12

Entebbe $s .$rt o& t e c$.!t$l bec$use Entebbe !s .$rt o& $ re"!on. So, try!n" to br!n" $ .$rt o& $ re"!on !n $n $re$ w !c !s not .$rt o& t e re"!on, m$y c$use $ const!tut!on$l .roblem. MR SEKIKUBO: Most obl!"e', Mr S.e$*er, t ou" I w$s loo*!n" $t ow t e -!ll c$n be $rmon!se', s$y ow t e .l$nn!n" $ut or!ty c$n rel$te w!t ot er $re$s not s.ec!&!c$lly )$m.$l$ $lone. MR BA--A: T $n* you, Mr S.e$*er. I w$nt to !n&orm on. Sse*!*ubo t $t !n t e -!ll, !t !s !n'!c$te' t $t $ metro.ol!t$n $rr$n"ement $n' . ys!c$l .l$nn!n" w!ll $''ress t e $'9$cent $re$s t $t ne!" bour )$m.$l$. So, your &e$r !s be!n" $''resse' by $ . ys!c$l .l$nn!n" $ut or!ty. MR SSEKIKUBO: T $n* you, on. -$''$. -ut $mon"st w $t !s be!n" en%!s$"e' !s to &$c!l!t$te !n%estments $n' cut 'own t e cost o& 'o!n" bus!ness !n t e c!ty. I re$lly 'o not *now ow t !s w!ll be $ctu$l!se' bec$use w en you t$l* o& !n%estment, we $re currently $%!n" t e !n'ustr!$l .$r* $t N$m$n%e. I w!s t e Members coul' %!s!t t e .$r*. How m$ny !n'ustr!es $%e been est$bl!s e' t ere> You m$y &!n' more res!'ent!$l ouses !n t e su..ose' !n'ustr!$l .$r*. How s $ll we &$c!l!t$te !n%estments> /oo* $t t e &ormer Co&&ee M$r*et!n" -o$r', w $t !n%estment !s t ere> /oo* $t t e !n'ustr!$l $re$ !n t e m!''le o& t e c!ty, t e best you c$n &!n' $re w$re ouses, no !n'ustry to t$l* $bout. T e .o!nt I $m 'r!%!n" $t !s t $t, !t !s not enou" to $%e $ -!ll, but !t s oul' be $ccom.$n!e' by $ct!%e 'el!ber$te me$sures to $c !e%e t !s. S ort o& t !s, we $re m$*!n" $ l$w &or .ol!t!c$l e5.e'!ency, but we m$y not be $ble to re$l!se t e en%!s$"e' bene&!ts on t e "roun'. Mr S.e$*er, l$stly, I woul' l!*e to comment $bout t e .owers "!%en to t e m!n!ster. M!n!sters $%e $ll $lon" $' .owers, but ow $%e t ey .er&orme' !n t e!r 'oc*ets> /oo* $t $ll t e m!n!str!es+ loo* $t ow t ey $%e been .er&orm!n" un'er t e!r 'oc*ets. Alre$'y, $re t ey $%!n" success stor!es t $t )CC $s been un'er $ loc$l "o%ernment $rr$n"ement, $n' t $t !s w y t ere $s been m!sm$n$"ement> It !s not t e c$se. /oo* $t t e bo'!es t $t $re un'er Centr$l 1o%ernment. To me, !t w!ll only be cosmet!c to t !n* t $t t !s -!ll w!ll be $ .$n$ce$. T e tot$l runn!n" 'own o& )$m.$l$ $s been 'one e%en w en t e Pres!'ent !s $ res!'ent !n t e c!ty centre. Now e !s out $n' res!'es $t Entebbe, I t !n*. He le$%es be !n' $ c!ty t $t !s $lre$'y 'own. So, t e essence !s not to .l$ce t e c!ty un'er $n $ut or!ty or Centr$l 1o%ernment. T e essence !s to $llow t e c!ty $n' !ts or"$ns to &unct!on. I& t ere !s l$w en&orcement, let us en&orce !t. T !s bus!ness o& s$y!n" we s $ll en $nce re%enue "ener$t!on !n t e c!ty once t ere !s $n $ut or!ty+ ow s $ll we 'o t $t w en t e m$r*et 'ues $re not collecte'> # en .ol!t!cs t$*es t e better s!'e o& t e . ys!c$l .l$nn!n" $n' m$n$"ement> Mr S.e$*er, I t !n* t e .roblem !s w en we em$scul$te t e or"$ns $n' !nst!tut!ons &rom .er&orm!n" t e!r m$n'$te. I t $n* you. A.2D MR STEPHEN MUKITA!E %NRM, Bu&))sa "ou01y, Mas)0d)+: I t $n* you %ery muc , Mr S.e$*er $n' on. colle$"ues. I w$nt to s!ncerely t $n* t e m!n!ster &or $%!n" brou" t t e -!ll, $n' $lso t e comm!ttee &or $%!n" w!sely n$%!"$te' t rou" t e contro%ers!es w !c were seem!n"ly %ery teet !n" $t t e be"!nn!n". I $m $..y t $t t !s b!8.$rt!s$n m$tter !s be!n" su..orte' by $ll s!'es bec$use .l$nn!n" o& our s!tt!n" room 8 !& I c$n c$ll !t so, bec$use w en you come to U"$n'$, your st$rt!n" .o!nt !s )$m.$l$+ )$m.$l$ !s t e !m$"e $n' !t !s, t ere&ore, %ery !m.ort$nt t $t !t re&lects w $t t e country s oul' be. I $m $lso $..y 13

t $t t e e$rl!er l$n"u$"e w !c w$s be!n" use', o& )$m.$l$ t$*eo%er, seems to $%e subs!'e' $n' we $re now t$l*!n" $bout .l$nn!n" o& $ c!ty, $n' I t !n* t $t !s %ery !m.ort$nt. T e c $llen"e, owe%er, !s t $t $s we "r$..le w!t t e c $llen"e o& .l$nn!n" t e $lre$'y com.l!c$te' )$m.$l$, t e esc$.e route &or $ more $&&luent .l$ce o& .l$nn!n", l!es outs!'e w $t we $re now c$ll!n" )$m.$l$. -ut I t !n* t ere !s $ %ery b!" c $llen"e $s we 'e$l w!t t e )$m.$l$ C$.!t$l C!ty -!ll. 1o%ernment s oul' &!n' more money to e%en &!n$nce $n' o.er$t!on$l!se t e P ys!c$l Pl$nn!n" Act !n #$*!so, Entebbe $n' Mu*ono. For e5$m.le, t e /$*e E!ctor!$ scenery w !c !s l$r"ely !n Mu*ono $n' #$*!so !s t e .l$ce to be, but t ese '!str!cts 'o not $%e t e money. So, I w$nt to em. $s!se t $t $&ter m$*!n" t e l$w, we $s P$rl!$ment, w en !t comes to $..ro.r!$t!on, s oul' .ut more money !n t e l$n' sector. In t !s country, we s oul' &!n' cour$"e to urb$n!se. T e P ys!c$l Pl$nn!n" Act !s ere $n' we st!ll $%e c $llen"es o& l$n'use .l$nn!n" $n' t e l$n' .ol!cy w !c !s com!n". O& course, muc $s we $%e se.$r$te' t e l$n' m$tters &rom t e .l$nn!n" &unct!on, I t !n* $s le$'ers we s oul' &!n' some cour$"e to con&ront our l$n' c $llen"es $n' .oss!bly "o &or some ser!ous re&orms, bec$use I st!ll see $ %ery b!" .roblem !& we 'o not t$*e t e re&orms on t e l$n' m$tters e$' on. I& you %!s!te' w ere t e st$te $s more s$y on l$n', you woul' e%en see !t by t e le%el o& .l$nn!n" $n' or"$n!s$t!on. -ut &or us w!t mult!.le l$n' tenure, $n' r$'!c$l t!tles belon"!n" to somebo'y, I c$n see we m$y not "et $ %ery be$ut!&ul c!ty !n t e ne5t ye$rs. I& not %ery &$r &rom now, some const!tut!on$l $men'ment c$n be 'one bec$use !t !s $ re$l!ty t $t Mu*ono w!ll become $ c!ty $n' 9ust $s #$*!so. T ere&ore, we s oul' not w$!t &or !t to become $ b!" slum l!*e )$m.$l$ be&ore we c$n $"$!n t$*e t e s$me reme'y. I t !n* we c$n be more .ro8$ct!%e $n' $''ress t e ne!" bour oo' now. -ut e%en w!t our m$ny '!str!cts t $t $re com!n" u. H !& you see ow sm$ll t e tr$'!n" centres $re 8 $n' t $t !s w y I $m s$y!n" we must &!n' money to o.er$t!on$l!se t e P ys!c$l Pl$nn!n" Act so t $t e%en t ose sm$ll $re$s $re .l$nne'. It !s $ c $llen"e t e country must &$ce $n' I t !n* !t !s !m.ort$nt t $t we 'o not &e$r to "o !nto t ose contro%ers!es bec$use w en we &e$r t e contro%ers!es, we $re .reser%!n" t e '!lemm$s. #e must m$*e $ c o!ce w et er to .reser%e t e '!lemm$s or m$*e some r$'!c$l c $n"es to 'e$l w!t t e contro%ers!es so t $t we mo%e on $s $ country. I t !n* t !s -!ll !& .$sse' !nto $n Act s oul' only be $ lesson &or t e ot er u.com!n" mun!c!.$l!t!es $n' &or t e ot er $re$s o& U"$n'$ w !c ser!ously nee' to be .l$nne'. T e )$m.$l$ we $re t$l*!n" $bout 8 t e structur$l .l$n, I $m !n&orme', e5.!re' 8 !& I c$n use t $t wor' &or l$c* o& $ better wor' 8 @2 ye$rs $"o. So, we nee' $ structur$l .l$n &or t e c!ty un'er t !s -!ll. So, !t $"$!n co%ers t e $re$ o& m$*!n" sure t $t we $%e $ c!ty. Towns "row !nto mun!c!.$l!t!es+ mun!c!.$l!t!es !nto c!t!es $n' $t t!mes we s oul' not l$bour %ery muc to 'eny t e wor' conurb$t!on bec$use !t !s 9ust $ re$l!ty we c$nnot run $w$y &rom. About t e .owers o& t e m!n!ster %!s8K8%!s t e one o& t e electe' m$yor or $..o!nte' e5ecut!%e '!rector, I t !n* !& we se.$r$te' t e roles, &unct!on$l!ty o& e5.ert!se, tec nocr$t!c &rom t e .ol!t!c$l role, we s oul' not $%e $ %ery b!" .roblem $n' I t !n* I c$n see t e comm!ttee $s $ttem.te' to $''ress t $t. #!t t $t, I w$nt to en' by s$y!n" t $t t !s !s $ lon", o%er'ue b!8.$rt!s$n m$tter. It !s $ m$tter &or t e common "oo' $n' I e5.ect $ll Members to su..ort !t. I t $n* t e comm!ttee $n' re=uest t $t we su..ort t !s lon" o%er'ue -!ll to come !nto $n Act. I t $n* you %ery muc . 14

A.6A -R "HRIS BAR5OMUNSI %NRM, K)02)6) "ou01y Eas1, Ka0u0*u+: I t $n* you. I t $n* t e m!n!ster $n' t e c $!r.erson o& t e comm!ttee &or t e re.ort t $t $s 9ust been t$ble'. Most o& us w o l!%e !n )$m.$l$ $n' w o st$y !n )$m.$l$ most o& t e t!me $"ree to t e nee' &or $ new $rr$n"ement on ow t e c!ty s oul' be m$n$"e', $n' !n'ee', !t !s $ const!tut!on$l comm$n' t $t t !s $rr$n"ement s oul' be .ut !n .l$ce. You c$n e%en note t $t e%en w en $ttem.ts were m$'e to be$ut!&y )$m.$l$ 'ur!n" CHO1M, !t coul' not be m$'e be$ut!&ul me$n!n" t $t t e .roblems $re &un'$ment$l, .$rt!cul$rly w!t re"$r' to t e m$n$"ement o& t e c!ty. T ere&ore, I st$n' to su..ort t e mot!on $n' to $"ree t $t we s oul' .$ss t !s -!ll so t $t we .ro%!'e &or $ new w$y o& m$n$"!n" )$m.$l$. -ut t ere !s $n element o& st$m.e'!n" us l!*e someone $' e$rl!er on s$!', bec$use some o& t e &un'$ment$l .ro.os$ls !n t e -!ll, w !c $' e%en $rouse' $ lot o& '!scuss!on, I t !n* $re t e $re$s w !c t e m!n!ster !s now conce'!n" to $n' br!n"!n" !n new c $n"es. -ut w en you re$' t e re.ort &rom t e c $!rm$n o& t e comm!ttee $s somebo'y note', I t !n* t e c $!rm$n $n' members o& t e comm!ttee $re $lso e$r!n" t e $men'ments &rom t e m!n!ster 9ust on t e Floor. How I w!s e' t e m!n!ster $' l!$!se' w!t t e comm!ttee so t $t t ey c$me w!t $ common .os!t!on to $ss!st us. Mr S.e$*er, .$"e &!%e o& t e re.ort re$'s, FT e -!ll .ro%!'es &or t e /or' M$yor $n' ,e.uty /or' M$yor to be electe' &rom t e Elector$l Colle"e o& Counc!ls $n' t e comm!ttee obser%e' t $t t !s w!ll $''ress t e .roblem )$m.$l$ $s $', w ere t e m$yor w o $s been un!%ers$lly electe' $s ten'e' to be untouc $ble.G In t e w!s'om o& t e comm!ttee, !& t e m$yor !s electe' by t e Elector$l Colle"e, t $t woul' be me'!c!ne &or )$m.$l$. -ut t e m!n!ster !s now $b$n'on!n" t $t .os!t!on $n' e !s now s$y!n" t $t t e m$yor $s to be electe' t rou" un!%ers$l su&&r$"e. How I w!s you $' $rmon!se' w!t t e comm!ttee be&ore com!n" to us. T e subm!ss!on by t e m!n!ster !n $ w$y $&&ecte' some o& t e .ro%!s!ons w !c $re !n t !s -!ll, $n' !& t e m!n!ster 'oes not $rmon!se w!t t e comm!ttee to el. us e5.e'!te t e .rocess t en you $re l!*ely to bo" us 'own. # en you loo* $t some .ro%!s!ons on ow t e m$yor c$n be remo%e' H e$rl!er on, !t w$s en%!s$"e' t $t t e m$yor woul' be c osen t rou" elect!on by t e counc!llors. So, "!%en t e re$l .os!t!on, some o& t e .ro%!s!ons !n t e -!ll $%e to c $n"e. I *now we $re t!me b$rre' w!t re"$r' to t e nom!n$t!ons, but I w!s t ere w$s t!me &or t e comm!ttee to s!t w!t t e m!n!ster $n' $rmon!se t e!r .os!t!ons $n' $men' t e rele%$nt .ro%!s!ons !n t !s -!ll so t $t House !s $ble to mo%e &$ster. T e ot er comment I woul' l!*e to m$*e !s on t e obser%$t!on by t e comm!ttee t $t once t !s -!ll !s .$sse', !n t e!r !nter.ret$t!on, )$m.$l$ w!ll not be re.resente' by $ #om$n Member o& P$rl!$ment. My %!ew !s t $t !& t !s P$rl!$ment m$!nt$!ns t $t women Members o& P$rl!$ment rem$!n w!t !n our .ol!t!c$l $n' le"$l &r$mewor*, t en )$m.$l$ C!ty s oul' $lso be re.resente' by $ wom$n. I& !t re=u!res $men'!n" t e Const!tut!on or $ny ot er e5!st!n" l$ws, I t !n* !t s oul' be 'one. T !s c!ty $s $ .o.ul$t!on o& close to t ree m!ll!on .eo.le $n' we c$nnot le$%e !t unre.resente' w en ot er '!str!cts $re be!n" re.resente', s!m.ly bec$use !t !s c$lle' $ c!ty. I t !n* !t woul' be un&$!r to t e .o.ul$t!on w!t !n )$m.$l$. So, I t !n* t e necess$ry l$ws s oul' be $men'e' to .ro%!'e &or t $t re.resent$t!on by $ wom$n Member o& P$rl!$ment *()nterruption 15

MR AHAB,E: T $n* you, Mr S.e$*er $n' on. -$ryomuns! &or "!%!n" w$y. Cl$use BA o& t e -!ll, on .$"e :B, .reser%es t ose elector$l $re$s $n' t e o&&!ces o& t ose Members o& P$rl!$ment. /et me re$' !t+ +,or the a#oidan!e o$ dou"t, this '!t shall not "e taken to a$$e!t an- ena!tment relatin& to presidential and parliamentar- ele!tions and the demar!ation o$ !onstituen!ies "- the Ele!toral Commission.. My un'erst$n'!n" o& t !s .ro%!s!on !s t $t !t !s try!n" to .reser%e t e current st$tus o& const!tuenc!es. MR NAN-A!A7MA ABI: T e Const!tut!on s$ys, FE%ery '!str!ct s $ll be re.resente' by $ wom$n member o& P$rl!$mentG !t 'oes not s$y Fe%ery c!tyG. So, on. M!n!ster, coul' you el. us to see w ere !t !s s$!' t $t e%ery c!ty s $ll be re.resente' by $ wom$n Member o& P$rl!$ment> MR N-E8I: T $n* you on. Member &or "!%!n" w$y. I t !n* we nee' to m$*e !t cle$r t $t not !n" !n t !s Const!tut!on sto.s t e women o& )$m.$l$ &rom be!n" re.resente' !n t !s P$rl!$ment. I be" to re$' Art!cle D< to "u!'e t !s $u"ust House. D<;b0 .ro%!'es &or one wom$n re.resent$t!%e &or e%ery '!str!ct. /et me re$' .$rt FcG bec$use !t !s %ery !m.ort$nt+ ;c0 Su!h num"ers o$ representati#es o$ the arm-, -outh, workers, persons with disa"ilities and other &roups as Parliament ma- determine.. # $t 'oes t !s me$n> It !m.l!es t $t !& t !s P$rl!$ment $s t e w!ll $n' comm!tment to $%e t e women o& )$m.$l$ re.resente' !n t !s P$rl!$ment, t !s .ro%!s!on su..orts you. THE SPEAKER: I t !n* t e .roblem H $n' !t c$n be tre$te' tomorrow or t e ot er '$y, !s t $t Art!cle D< t$l*s $bout one wom$n re.resent$t!%e &or e%ery '!str!ct. T e .roblem t en !s t $t )$m.$l$ !s not $ '!str!ct, but s!nce un'er Art!cle D< we s$y, +Su!h num"ers o$ representati#es o$ the arm-, -outh, workers as Parliament ma- determine/., t en t !s wee* w en we $re re%!ew!n" t e re.resent$t!on, un'er Art!cle D<, we c$n $s well s$y, F#!t one wom$n re.resent!n" t e c$.!t$lG $n' t $t w!ll sol%e t e .roblem. -ut now, s!nce )$m.$l$ !s not $ '!str!ct, !t 'oes not =u$l!&y un'er D<;@0;b0. MR KATUNTU: T $n* you, Mr S.e$*er. I o.e $t t e $..ro.r!$te t!me I w!ll c$tc your eye $n' m$*e my subst$nt!%e contr!but!on. -ut I t !n* t e %!ew t e c $!r !s "!%!n" m$y be sub9ect to ot er !nter.ret$t!ons bec$use $s you c$n re$l!se, $ny "eo"r$. !c$l re.resent$t!on o& women !s co%ere' un'er D<;@0;b0. w en !t comes to D<;c0, !t !s t$l*!n" o& "rou.s o& .ersons+ t $t !s w y !t s$ys, F 0epresentati#es o$ the arm-, -outh, workers, persons with disa"ilities. t en !t "oes on to s$y +/and other &roups as Parliament ma- determine (. So, my %!ew woul' be (()nter1e!tions ( w $t we $re s$y!n" !s t $t you $re $ll $"ree$ble t $t )$m.$l$ s oul' $%e some re.resent$t!on. T $t s oul' not be content!ous. #e $re $ll $"ree$ble to t $t. -ut let us 'o somet !n" t $t w!ll not c$use some ot er contro%ersy. I& !t me$ns $men'!n" t e Const!tut!on $n' .ro%!'!n" &or !t+ t en let !t be $n' t en we $%e no contro%ersy. My own %!ew re$lly H %ery cons!'ere' o.!n!on 8 !s t $t we c$nnot .ro%!'e &or t $t un'er D<;@0;c0+ we c$nnot. -ut we c$n $men' t e Const!tut!on $n' .ro%!'e &or $not er c$te"ory o& )$m.$l$ C!ty. THE SPEAKER: No, w!t out $men'!n" t e Const!tut!on, you c$n br!n" u. t e !ssue o& t e c$.!t$l c!ty un'er D<;20. C$n you re$' !t &or us> MR KATUNTU: T $n* you %ery muc , Mr S.e$*er. +2pon the e3piration o$ a period o$ ten -ears a$ter the !ommen!ement o$ this Constitution and therea$ter, e#er- $i#e -ears, Parliament shall re#iew the representation under !lause 1(" and (! o$ this arti!le/. Yes, t en I $"ree. ()nter1e!tions +/$or the purposes o$ retainin&, in!reasin& or a"olishin& an- su!h representation and an- other matter in!idental to it.. I t !n* t !s coul' .$ss, but not D< ;@0;c0. THE SPEAKER: I $%e s$!' D<;20+ t ere !s $ w$y. 16

MR KATUNTU: T ere coul' be some w!n'ow. THE SPEAKER: -ec$use you c$n s$y we !ncre$se t e um$n re.resent$t!%e o& t e c$.!t$l. -R BAR5OMUNSI: T $n* you %ery muc , Mr S.e$*er. I t !n* t e .o!nt !s t $t we $ll $"ree t e c$.!t$l s oul' be .resente'+ t en t e le"$l e5.erts c$n el. us w!t ow to ensure t $t we com.ly w!t t e l$w. THE SPEAKER: I t !n* t !s 'eb$te !s "oo'. It !s $lert!n" t e Attorney81ener$l w en e br!n"s !s Mot!on to o.er$t!on$l!se D< to t$*e c$re o& t e c$.!t$l. -R BAR5OMUNSI: /$stly, Mr S.e$*er, I 9ust $' $ comment on t e e5ecut!%e '!rector. /!*e I commente' e$rl!er on, we m$y nee' to re%!s!t t e 'ut!es o& t e e5ecut!%e '!rector $s com.$re' to t e /or' M$yor "!%en t e new .os!t!on. Also, w en you loo* $t t e .ro%!s!on on t e =u$l!&!c$t!ons o& t e e5ecut!%e '!rector, I t !n* !t !s not %ery s.ec!&!c. It re$'s, +' person is not 4uali$ied to "e appointed e3e!uti#e dire!tor unless he or she is o$ hi&h moral !hara!ter and pro#en inte&rit- and has su"stantial e3perien!e and rele#ant 4uali$i!ations in pu"li! mana&ement.. I t !n* t !s !s %$"ue. #e nee' to =u$l!&y !t $n' .ut s.ec!&!c =u$l!&!c$t!ons ot erw!se, someone coul' $%e been $n /C I c $!rm$n &or lon" $n' m$ybe $s $ mere cert!&!c$te $n' t en we s$y t $t !s subst$nt!$l e5.er!ence $n' so &ort 8()nter1e!tions ( yet somew ere, &or t e Res!'ent C!ty Comm!ss!oner, we $re s$y!n" you s oul' be =u$l!&!e' to be $ Member o& P$rl!$ment+ me$n!n" t $t you s oul' $%e $t le$st A(/e%el or !ts e=u!%$lent. So, t e t ou" t !t .ro%!'es now+ !t me$ns somebo'y w o !s not e%en &!t to be $ Member o& P$rl!$ment c$n e$s!ly be $..o!nte' to be e5ecut!%e '!rector $n' w en we re$c t $t .ro%!s!on, we s $ll mo%e some $men'ments to m$*e !t more cle$r t $t t !s .erson s oul' be =u$l!&!e' to some le%el to be $ble to wor* $s e5ecut!%e '!rector. I t $n* you %ery muc , Mr S.e$*er. :.A@ MR A!E9 N-EE8I %NRM, Perso0s ()1/ -)sab)&)1)es, "e01ra&+: Mr S.e$*er, I t $n* t e comm!ttee &or $ 9ob well 'one. T rou" you, I 9o!n my colle$"ues !n su..ort!n" t !s !m.ort$nt -!ll. I $%e t ree .o!nts, but ow!n" to $ %ery !nterest!n" 'eb$te we $' t ree m!nutes $"o, I $%e 'ec!'e' to Cero on one .o!nt+ I $m try!n" my best to el. t e Attorney81ener$l !n 'r$&t!n" t e resolut!on rel$t!n" to Art!cle D<. I be" you to loo* $t ob9ect!%e B o& t e Const!tut!on. /et me re$' !t. +The State shall ensure &ender "alan!e and $air representation o$ mar&inalised &roups on all Constitutional and other "odies.. T ere $re %ery m$ny m$r"!n$l!se' women !n )$m.$l$ $n' t ese $re co%ere' by t e .ro%!s!ons o& t !s Const!tut!on. T ere&ore, t ey 'eser%e to be re.resente' !n t !s $u"ust House. Secon'ly, Art!cle 62;@0 re=u!res t e st$te to t$*e $&&!rm$t!%e $ct!on !n &$%our o& "rou.s m$r"!n$l!se' on t e b$s!s o& "en'er $n' ot er cr!ter!$. P$r$"r$. ;20 o& t e s$me $rt!cle .ro !b!ts t !s P$rl!$ment &rom en$ct!n" $ l$w t $t 'oes t e o..os!te o& $&&!rm$t!%e $ct!on. I woul' $s* t $t we st$rt w!t !t. I& t e .ro.os$l &rom t e comm!ttee !s $cce.te', !t w!ll "o $"$!nst Art!cle 62. Un'er Art!cle 62 o& t e Const!tut!on, t !s P$rl!$ment !s re=u!re' to m$*e l$ws $..ro.r!$te &or t e .rotect!on o& women $n' ot er m$r"!n$l!se' "rou.s. T !s P$rl!$ment $s no .ower to 'o t e o..os!te. T us, Mr S.e$*er, you $%e w!sely rule' t $t t !s m$tter be cons!'ere' w en !t comes to !m.lement$t!on o& Art!cle 62, 63, D<, !n $ resolut!on to be t$ble' by t e Attorney81ener$l. I, t ere&ore, t$*e t !s o..ortun!ty to $..e$l to t e Attorney81ener$l $n' t e le"!sl$t!%e $rm o& t e St$te to ensure t $t t $t resolut!on com!n" soon .ro%!'es &or re.resent$t!on o& women o& )$m.$l$ ,!str!ct. 17

One more .o!nt, only to see* cl$r!&!c$t!on, Mr S.e$*er, on .$"e < o& t e re.ort, recommen'$t!on No.@, t e comm!ttee recommen's t $t 1o%ernment .ro'uces $ %!su$l !m.ress!on o& t e boun'$r!es o& )$m.$l$ C!ty. I w!s $n' I $m be""!n", !& .oss!ble, t e m!n!ster $n' t e comm!ttee s oul' $lso "!%e us t !s %!su$l !m.ress!on $s we 'eb$te t !s -!ll so t $t we *now t e boun'$r!es o& t e c!ty t $t we $re t$l*!n" $bout. /$stly, on .$"e 4, t e l$st recommen'$t!on !s $bout 'el!ne$t!on o& Men"o Mun!c!.$l!ty $s $ .ol!t!c$l 'ec!s!on. ,el!ne$t!on o& Men"o Mun!c!.$l!ty !s un'erstoo' $s $ .ol!t!c$l 'ec!s!on+ but my un'erst$n'!n" !s t $t t !s -!ll see*s to 'o t e 'el!ne$t!on !tsel&. I $m, t ere&ore, see*!n" cl$r!&!c$t!on &rom t e comm!ttee c $!r.erson w et er t e .ol!t!c$l 'ec!s!on $s $lre$'y been t$*en or !t !s to be t$*en $&ter .$ss!n" o& t !s -!ll. T $n* you %ery muc . I su..ort t e -!ll. A.:: MR AB-U KATUNTU % -", Bu*(er) "ou01y, I*a0*a+: T $n* you %ery muc , Mr S.e$*er. I woul' l!*e to t $n* t e m!n!ster $n' t e comm!ttee &or t e!r re.ort. For t e l$st two ye$rs, I $%e $' t e .r!%!le"e o& le$'!n" my colle$"ues on t e Comm!ttee on /oc$l 1o%ernment Accounts $n' we $%e mo%e' t rou" out t e ent!re country. One t !n" w !c we $%e note' !s t $t t ere !s $ b!" .roblem !n t e $'m!n!str$t!on o& t e urb$n centres. All t ese $'m!n!str$t!ons $re r!''le' w!t !ne&&!c!ency, !nc$.$c!t!es $n' corru.t!on, $n' $ll t ese $&&ect ser%!ce 'el!%ery !n t ese urb$n centres, c$ll t em '!str!ct e$'=u$rters. You m$y 9ust remo%e t e wor's F)$m.$l$ C!tyG &rom t !s re.ort $n' re.l$ce t em w!t )$nun"u $n' t !s w ole re.ort w!ll .$ss. T e .roblems o& )$nun"u to'$y $re t e s$me $s t ose o& )$m.$l$ !n terms o& ser%!ce 'el!%ery $n' e&&!c!ent runn!n" o& t e town. So, w en 1o%ernment comes u., I t !n*, w!t t !s sort o& -!ll 8 we $' .roblems !n some o& t e $s.ects, but I ur"e my colle$"ues to su..ort t !s !n!t!$t!%e. It m!" t be "oo' &or t e c!ty. None o& us woul' l!*e to l!%e !n )$m.$l$ $s !t !s to'$y unless you $%e not tr$%elle' out o& t !s town. -ut $nybo'y w o $s e%er been out o& U"$n'$ $n' "one to $ny c!ty, re$lly !t c$nnot be com.$re' w!t t !s %!ll$"e c$lle' )$m.$l$. #e nee' to s!t $n' see ow to re'e%elo. )$m.$l$ $n' o&&er our .eo.le better ser%!ces. Mr S.e$*er, let me tell you. You 9ust nee' to stu'y t e re.orts o& t e Au'!tor81ener$l $n' see ow )$m.$l$ $s been m!sm$n$"e' un'er t e .resent le"$l re"!me. Ob%!ously, !& t e 8 I 'o not *now w $t !s c$us!n" e5c!tement 8;%au&hter0 THE SPEAKER: You ment!one' )$nun"u. MR KATUNTU: O . O*$y let me s$y FI"$n"$G &or on. Am$m$ Mb$b$C! to be com&ort$ble+ but I c$n tell you t $t e%en !& you s$y )$mwen"e or I"$n"$ !t woul' e=u$lly $..ly. T ey l$c* com.etent m$n$"ers $n' t e '!str!ct counc!ls $re r!''le' w!t sect$r!$n!sm, corru.t!on $n' !ne&&!c!ency+ t ey c$nnot e%en $..o!nt $ .ro.er com.etent m$n$"er. So, !t !s $ b!" tr$"e'y. I t !n* let us su..ort t !s -!ll, !n my %!ew, but !t !s "!%!n" us one lesson t $t t e .roblem !s not only !n )$m.$l$. It !s t rou" out t e country. Hon. #er!* e, I 'o not *now w et er you $%e $ &unct!on$l urb$n or . ys!c$l .l$nn!n" un!t. All t ese towns 8 you 9ust ment!on t em. /et $ll our colle$"ues loo* $t t e towns w ere t ey come &rom 8 I"$n"$, -un'!bu"yo 8 $n' see w et er t ese towns $re be!n" 'e%elo.e' on some .l$nn!n" system. You &!n' $ u"e bu!l'!n" $n' !n &ront o& !t t ere !s $ .!t l$tr!ne $n' .eo.le $re s$y!n" t ere !s $ . ys!c$l .l$nn!n" un!t somew ere !n some m!n!stry. You .eo.le $re not wor*!n". In &$ct, w en you loo* $t t e ort o'o5 '!str!cts, t$*e &or e5$m.le Tororo, 'ur!n" t e t!me o& t e colon!$l!sts, t ey $' some sort o& .l$nn!n". You *now you $%e $ "ol& course $re$ 8 I un'erst$n' t ese 18

'$ys t ey $re sell!n" t em. C$n you !m$"!ne> T e "reens $re now be!n" turne' !nto "r$%es. You see, re$lly, t e w ole t !n" !s $ tr$"e'y $n' I t !n* t !s -!ll m!" t see* to $''ress t !s .roblem $n' .erson$lly, to"et er w!t my colle$"ues, es.ec!$lly on. Er!$s /u*w$"o w o s!ts w!t me on t e s$me comm!ttee, we *now t ese .roblems. T ey *now t ese .roblems. So, let us ensure t e .roblems !n t !s -!ll $re cle$rly 'e&!ne'. For e5$m.le, I e$r' t e .roblem o& t e &unct!ons o& t e m$yor. Once you s$y t $t e !s $ .ol!t!c$l e$' t $t me$ns e su.er!nten's $n' su.er%!ses t e c!ty $s $ .ol!t!c$l e$' $n' !t !s .ro%!'e' &or !n t e -!ll. So, t $t s oul' not be $ .roblem !n my %!ew. T $t s oul' not be $ .roblem. So, Mr S.e$*er, I 'o not w$nt to l$bour %ery muc bec$use e%erybo'y bel!e%es t $t we nee' to 'o somet !n" $bout )$m.$l$ $n' $bout $ll our urb$n centres. So, I su..ort t !s -!ll, Mr S.e$*er. :.3@ MR BEN ,A"HA %I0de3e0de01, Oyam "ou01y Nor1/, Oyam+: I t $n* you, Mr S.e$*er. It !s ob%!ous t $t )$m.$l$ !s !n $ %ery sorry st$te. It !s $lmost $ s $me to try $n' e=u$te !t w!t ot er c!t!es l!*e N$!rob! $n' ,$r8es8S$l$$m. I $%e not been to )!"$l!, but I e$r )!"$l! !s !n $ cl$ss o& !ts own. -ut I $m !n $ '!lemm$. I $m !n $ b!" '!lemm$ bec$use I 'o not *now ow to su..ort t !s -!ll. I t !n* t e .roblems o& )$m.$l$ c$nnot be cure' by $not er en$ctment o& $ l$w. I $m not one o& t ose .eo.le w o t !n* t $t e%ery .roblem c$n only be cure' by le"!sl$t!on. T e .roblem o& )$m.$l$ c$n be cure' bec$use t e .roblem !s !m.lement$t!on $n' t e !m.lementers. /et me "!%e you $n e5$m.le. I .l$y "ol& $n' some o& my colle$"ues $lso 'o t e s$me+ on. 7o n -y$b$"$mb!, on. 7!m Mu weC! $n' on. Om$c . Once !n $ w !le !n "ol&, you $%e to "o b$c* &or tr$!n!n". I $' $ colle$"ue ere w!t w om I went to t e tr$!ner one '$y 8 un&ortun$tely e .$sse' on+ e w$s $ m!n!ster. So, s!nce e w$s sen!or, I $s*e' !m to st$te !s .roblem &!rst. He s$!' e $' $ .roblem w!t $ "ol& sw!n" $n' so t e tr$!ner s$!', FYou sw!n" $n' I see.G My &r!en' '!' !t t ree t!mes $n' t e tr$!ner s$!', FSorry, I c$nnot el. you. Your .roblem !s structur$l.G My colle$"ue $' $ b!" tummy $n' $ b!" b$c* 8;%au&hter0H so, e coul' not sw!n". ;%au&hter0;)nterruption0 MR KATUNTU: T $n* you %ery muc , on. #$c $, &or y!el'!n" t e Floor. I $m see*!n" cl$r!&!c$t!on. I& w $t you $re s$y!n" !s correct, ow come you s$y you .l$y "ol& w!t t e on. -y$b$"$mb!> ; %au&hter0 MR ,A"HA: I 'o not *now w et er on. -y$b$"$mb! $s "one to t e tr$!ner $n' 8; %au&hter0H so, I c$nnot s$y w $t t e tr$!ner tol' !m. # $t I $m s$y!n" !s t $t )$m.$l$(s .roblem !s structur$l 8 ; Mr 5-a"a&am"i rose60 ;%au&hter0 MR B5ABA#AMBI: I t $n* on. #$c $ &or "!%!n" w$y. T e !n&orm$t!on I woul' l!*e to "!%e you !s t $t $s you *now, I $m t e best sw!n"er. My $n'!c$. !s @3 $n' I $m $mon" t e best "ol&ers !n t !s country. ;%au&hter0 MR ,A"HA: Yes, but I e$r e%en T!"er #oo's $s to "o b$c* &or tr$!n!n" once !n w !le. # $t I $m s$y!n" !s t $t t e .roblem !s b!""er t $n 9ust en$ctment o& $ l$w. It !s muc b!""er $n' t e .roblem !s com.oun'e' by t e &$ct t $t t e m!n!ster s$ys e !s not "o!n" to 'o $nyt !n" $bout t e boun'$r!es o& )$m.$l$ $n' so t e "eo"r$. !c$l $re$ o& )$m.$l$ rem$!ns t e s$me. So, t $t $s.ect o& t e -!ll !s t$*en c$re o& e%en $s we st$n' now. T en t ere !s t e !ssue w !c e 9ust brou" t u. t $t t e /or' M$yor $n' t e ,e.uty /or' M$yor w!ll be elect!%e. T $t !s w $t !s $..en!n" now. T en you run !nto t e .roblem o& w $t roles t ey $re "o!n" to 19

.l$y un'er t e new re"!me. Once t ey $re electe' t en t ere !s "o!n" to be $not er Seb$""$l$ $n' you w!ll $%e t e s$me .roblem e $s been $%!n" w!t t e town cler*. MR !UK,A#O: T e cl$r!&!c$t!on I $m see*!n" !s $bout your subm!ss!on re"$r'!n" t e cl$s between t e m$yor $n' t e town cler*. I w!s to *now w et er !t !s $ structur$l or .erson$l .roblem. I& !t !s .erson$l, t en !t $s "ot not !n" to 'o w!t t !s -!ll. MR ,A"HA: T e !ssue I $m try!n" to r$!se !s t e cl$s o& $ut or!ty. T e .ol!t!c$l e$' w!ll st!c* to t e &$ct t $t eLs e $s been electe' $n' t en t e town cler* w!ll s$y eLs e !s t e $'m!n!str$t!%e e$'. How 'o you 'e&!ne t e $'m!n!str$t!%e e$' $n' t e .ol!t!c$l e$'> On t e !ssue o& br!n"!n" !n t e .l$nn!n" $ut or!ty+ )$m.$l$ !s !n suc $ mess. Houses $re bu!lt on sewers $n' ro$' reser%es. Unless you tell me t $t t !s .$rt!cul$r $ut or!ty !s "o!n" to $ct l!*e O'!n"$ O'!n"$ '!' !n N$!rob!, t en we $re st!ll w$st!n" t!me bec$use we $re 9ust re.l$c!n" t e ous!n" $ut or!ty w!t $ .l$nn!n" $ut or!ty w !c $lre$'y e5!sts !n )$m.$l$ C!ty Counc!l. It !s not t e !ssue o& l$ws w !c !s curt$!l!n" our o.er$t!ons+ !t !s t e !ssue o& !m.lement$t!on $n' l$c* o& !t. #e s oul' be sure t $t t ere w!ll be no more !nter&erence &rom $bo%e. # o !nter&ere' w!t t e remo%$l o& "oda "odas &rom )$m.$l$> ,oes t !s nee' $not er l$w to re$l!se t $t t e motorcycl!sts $re con"est!n" t e c!ty centre> #e $%e to ret !n* our nee' &or $ -!ll> Somebo'y t$l*e' $bout l$n'+ yes, we nee' l$n', but w o s$ys t $t 1o%ernment c$nnot buy l$n' &rom t e owners> I &!n' $ lot o& '!&&!culty !n su..ort!n" t !s -!ll. :.@3 MR HUSSEIN K5AN.O %.EEMA, Ma2)0dye -)v)s)o0 ,es1, Kam3a&a+: I t $n* t e m!n!ster $n' t e comm!ttee &or t e re.ort. My worry !s t e &$!t o& $ct!on w !c we $re un'ert$*!n". On t e &$ce o& !t, !t loo*s l!*e t e l$w !s !nnocent, but t e s.ee' w!t w !c we $re rus !n" m$*es !t sus.ect. It loo*s l!*e we $re try!n" to be$t t e 'e$'l!ne &or nom!n$t!ons. #e $ll *now t $t t ere ot er $ut or!t!es !n t !s country w !c $re not .er&orm!n" won'er&ully. #e $%e "ot t e N$t!on$l Pl$nn!n" Aut or!ty 8 THE SPEAKER: T e t!tle o& t e -!ll s$ys t $t boun'$r!es o& U"$n'$ $re 'em$rc$te' !n t e Secon' Sc e'ule. It cont!nues to s$y t $t )$m.$l$, loc$te' !n -u"$n'$, s $ll cont!nue to be t e c$.!t$l c!ty o& U"$n'$ $n' s $ll be $'m!n!stere' by t e Centr$l 1o%ernment. T e terr!tor!$l boun'$ry o& )$m.$l$ s $ll be 'em$rc$te' w!t $n Act o& P$rl!$ment. P$rl!$ment s $ll m$*e .ro%!s!ons &or $'m!n!str$t!on $n' 'e%elo.ment o& )$m.$l$ $s t e c$.!t$l c!ty. #e 'el$ye' $ctu$lly+ we s oul' $%e 'one t !s e$rl!er. T e =uest!on o& 9ust!&!c$t!on 'oes not $r!se. MR K5AN.O: T $n* you, &or t e "u!'$nce, but !t s!m.ly com.l!c$tes t e m$tter. #e $ll *new t $t t !s w$s !n t e Const!tut!on, but we '!' not $n'le !t !n t!me. So, wor*!n" on !t 9ust two '$ys to t e nom!n$t!ons !s sus.ect. THE SPEAKER: T !s !s )$m.$l$ C$.!t$l C!ty -!ll, 2334+ so t e 'el$y must $%e been w!t us. It $s been w!t us &or o%er $ ye$r now. MR K5AN.O: T e .eo.le I re.resent ten' to t !n* l!*e I 'o. T ere&ore, w en you tell t em t $t t e -!ll $s been ere &or m$ny mont s t us m$*!n" !t necess$ry to be $n'le' two '$ys to nom!n$t!ons, t ey w!ll not un'erst$n'. 20

I w$nt to loo* $t t e .er&orm$nce o& ot er $ut or!t!es, &or e5$m.le, t e N$t!on$l Pl$nn!n" Aut or!ty. It $s seen .l$nn!n" turne' u.s!'e 'own w!t out t$*!n" $ny $ct!on. #e $%e "ot NEMA w !c $s &$!le' to wor* w!t us to br!n" some s$n!ty !n t e c!ty. T !s !s not $bsence o& $ut or!ty but l$c* o& &$!t . #e $%e "ot t e N$t!on$l ,ru" Aut or!ty but no one c$n s$y t $t &$*e 'ru"s $re not enter!n" t e country. #e remember t $t t ose t $t were c$m.$!"n!n" .rom!se' $ tr$'e or'er. Some o& t em $' m$'e $ttem.ts to *ee. $w$y t e buses. T e e$' o& st$te stoo' u. $n' s$!' t $t e coul' not $llow !s .eo.le &rom t e %!ll$"es to be 'ro..e' o&& $t N$tete. T e tr$'e or'er !n )$m.$l$ !s suc t $t you $%e $ s o. $n' .$y l!cense, but you $%e "ot $ "rou. o& .eo.le sell!n" tom$toes on your %er$n'$, $n' "oda "odas $n' t$5!s !n &ront o& you. #e $re t$l*!n" $bout br!n"!n" $ l$w $s !& !t w!ll c $se $w$y t e .roblems. I& t ere !s $n u..er $n' t $t c$n o%errule t e c!ty $ut or!t!es t en we $re w$st!n" t!me. It !s "r$t!&y!n" to *now t $t t e !ssue o& boun'$r!es w$s loo*e' !nto bec$use !t w$s "o!n" to c$use $ lot o& contro%ersy w!t !n t e Const!tut!on. #e $re loo*!n" $t $ s ort reme'y o& ret$!n!n" t e ol' boun'$r!es. P$rt o& t e .roblem w y )$m.$l$ !s $ men$ce !s bec$use !n'!%!'u$ls t !n* t $t t ey must be on )$m.$l$ Ro$'. I& t ey re$l!se .ro.erly s ortly $&ter to'$y, t ey w!ll *now t $t !t !s necess$ry to "o $n' .ut u. mo'ern structures, well .l$nne', $w$y &rom t e boun'$r!es o& )$m.$l$. Now, w!ll you le$%e t !s to loc$l "o%ernments> Or s $ll we come b$c* $n' $men' t e l$w to !nclu'e t em> I& t e m!n!ster w$s c$.$ble o& e5.l$!n!n" t !s m$tter to us $n' we $''ress t !s w!t t e e5.$ns!on element, t en we woul' be $ble to "o b$c* $n' e5.l$!n to t e .eo.le w om I s$!' m$y $%e '!&&!culty !n un'erst$n'!n" t e &$!t o& $ct!on t !s e%en!n". T $n* you. :.@D MR SAMUE! O-ON#A OTTO % -", Aruu "ou01y, Pader+: T $n* you, Mr S.e$*er, &or "!%!n" me t !s o..ortun!ty. I w$nt to t $n* t e comm!ttee &or "!%!n" $ %ery com.re ens!%e re.ort. I $%e t ree subm!ss!ons to m$*e. I t !n* t e "o%ernment s oul' not bow to .ol!t!c$l .ressure &rom $ny .ol!t!c$l "rou. w!t !n t e c!ty. I woul', .erson$lly, be com&ort$ble w!t $n $..o!nte' m$yor so t $t we sol%e t !s .roblem once $n' &or $ll. -ec$use t e moment we $%e $n electe' m$yor w o nee's %otes &rom or'!n$ry "oda "oda r!'ers $n' tr$'ers !n )!se**$, t ere !s boun' to be $ con&l!ct between t e m$yor $n' t e E5ecut!%e ,!rector. #e s $ll $%e $ .o.ul!st le$'er w o w!ll s$y, F,o not touc my "oda "oda r!'ersG $n' t en you $%e $n E5ecut!%e ,!rector w o $s or'ere' t $t we cl$m. 'own on "oda "oda r!'ers. So, we $re not sol%!n" $ny .roblem. I w$nt to $..e$l to t e m!n!ster to "et b$c* to t e or!"!n$l .os!t!on+ t $t we $%e $n $..o!nte' m$yor. For e5$m.le, loo* $t t e U"$n'$ N$t!on$l Ro$'s Aut or!ty+ !t !s 'o!n" $ t orou" 9ob, to"et er w!t U"$n'$ Re%enue Aut or!ty. So, w y $re we now "!%!n" $ :38:3 solut!on to t e .roblem o& )$m.$l$> T !s c!ty !s &or $ll o& us $n' no one s oul' loo* $t !t w!t $n eye t $t sees !t $s, FT !s !s our %!ll$"eG, noM T !s !s $ c!ty. An' $nyw$y, !t $s been "$Cette'. So, I re$lly $..e$l to t e m!n!ster to "et b$c* to t e or!"!n$l .os!t!on. In &$ct, !n N$!rob! w ere I w$s recently, t ey c $n"e' &rom $n elector$l colle"e m$yor to one electe' t rou" un!%ers$l $'ult su&&r$"e. Howe%er, t ey $re now $%!n" .roblems. Or!"!n$lly, t ey "$Cette' smo*!n" $re$s+ smo*!n" 'ens w ere .eo.le "o to smo*e $s $ m$tter o& l$w. -ut now w!t $n electe' m$yor, you w!ll &!n' two or t ree .eo.le $roun' 9ust bec$use e !s close to t e m$yor or e w$s $ c$m.$!"ner. So, we $%e to sw$llow t e b!tter .!ll $n' I $..e$l to Members t $t we e%en !"nore t e .os!t!on w ere 1o%ernment $s .ulle' out $n' we 9ust $%e $ m$yor w o c$n w!el' .ower $n' $ut or!ty, not one w o w!ll s.en' $ lot o& t!me .ol!t!c*!n". ; %au&hter0 I $m sorry+ I l!%e !n t e suburbs o& )$m.$l$, $n' I $m &e' u.. 21

MR OKOT O#ON#: I woul' l!*e to t $n* my brot er, on. O'on"$8Otto. I $m !n&orme' t $t e !s now $ l$wyer $n' $s t e ent!re Const!tut!on on !s . one. I w$nt !m to re&er to Art!cle @ o& our Const!tut!on, w !c s$ys t $t .ower belon"s to t e .eo.le. I w$nt to !n&orm you t $t t e m$yor !s $ .ol!t!c$l o&&!ce $n' $ny .ol!t!c$l o&&!ce must be electe' by t e .eo.le so t $t you res.ect t e .eo.le(s w!ll. An' !& you w$nt to be $ '!ct$tor, you c$n .r$ct!se !t elsew ere but not !n U"$n'$. ;%au&hter0 MR O-ON#A OTTO: T $n* you %ery muc , on. O*ot O"on", &or t $t !n&orm$t!on. I t !n* we $%e to 'r$w $ l!ne between w ere we s oul' .ol!t!c* $n' w ere we nee' $ .l$nne' c!ty. I l!%e @A *!lometres &rom w ere we $re, but !t t$*es me t ree ours e%ery morn!n" to re$c t e c!ty. #e c$nnot cont!nue l!*e t !s. To tr$%el @A *!lometres !n t ree oursM I woul' re$lly &eel 8 on. O*ot O"on", muc $s .ower belon"s to t e .eo.le, we $re t e .eo.le. ;%au&hter0 MR !UK,A#O: Mr S.e$*er, we $ll $..rec!$te t e &ull !m.ort o& 'emocr$cy $n' w $t !t ent$!ls $n' t e conse=uences o& curt$!l!n" 'emocr$cy $re well *nown to $ll o& us w o $re ere. Hon. Otto !s t$l*!n" o& t e .$t et!c s!tu$t!on !n t e c!ty $n' e !s !ns!nu$t!n" t $t !t !s c$use' by too muc 'emocr$cy. ; %au&hter0 T $t by $llow!n" .eo.le to %ote, !t !s t e re$son we $%e .ot oles, "$rb$"e $n' e%eryt !n" l!*e t $t !n t e c!ty. Is e !n or'er to con'emn 'emocr$cy !n P$rl!$ment> ; %au&hter0 THE SPEAKER: I t !n* w $t you $re s$y!n" !s t $t on. Otto s oul' be sym.$t et!c to your .l$n to st$n' $s t e m$yor o& )$m.$l$. ;%au&hter0 MR O-ON#A OTTO: T $n* you, Mr S.e$*er, &or your rul!n". I $..rec!$te t e sent!ments o& .eo.le l!*e my colle$"ue, on. /u*w$"o $n' t e elector$te w o w$nt to $%e $ &eel!n" t $t t ey $%e electe' t e!r m$yor w o $s not been $..o!nte' by someone else. -ut w $t we coul' 'o $s $ com.rom!se !s t !s? #e coul' $%e $n electe' m$yor, but we $%e !m s!t !n t !s P$rl!$ment, $%!n" no bus!ness !nter&er!n" w!t t e .l$nn!n" o& $ut or!ty. ;%au&hter0 Yes, !& you w$nt to elect $ le$'er, we c$n elect one. Now t $t t e $men'ment !s com!n" !n t e ne5t two '$ys, I m$y mo%e t $t t e m$yor becomes $n e58o&&!c!o Member o& P$rl!$ment so t $t we le$%e t e .l$nn!n" 'ut!es to t ose w o 'o not nee' $nyone(s %otes. Ot erw!se, we $re not "o!n" to *ee. "o!n" roun' $n' roun' on t ese !ssues. MR K5AN.O: T e cl$r!&!c$t!on I w$nt to see* &rom on. Otto !s t $t NEMA !s not electe'+ !t !s $..o!nte'. -ut e *nows =u!te well t $t w en e !s "o!n" ome, e c$n see t e mess t $t NEMA $s $llowe' to $..en $ll t e w$y. Now w $t $re we "o!n" to 'o> MR O-ON#A OTTO: T $t !s $ '!&&!cult =uest!on $n' I woul' not w$nt to $ttem.t to $nswer !t bec$use I 'o not wor* !n NEMA, but 8 ;%au&hter0 MS ERI5O: Mr S.e$*er, I woul' l!*e to t $n* on. Otto &or y!el'!n" t e Floor, but I woul' l!*e to s$y t $t NEMA !s &$c!n" $ lot o& c $llen"es not bec$use !t !s not $ tec n!c$l "rou. $n' not bec$use !t !s not electe' or $..o!nte', but !t !s bec$use o& t e l$n' bo$r' !n t e c!ty counc!l H yes, t e l$n' bo$r' !n Men"o $n' .ol!t!c!$ns w o $re electe', $re c$us!n" .roblems &or NEMA. (Mr K-an1o rose6 T !s !s $ &$ct $n' I st$n' by !t. T $n* you. MR K5AN.O: Mr S.e$*er, I w$nt to c $llen"e my colle$"ue t e m!n!ster. S e remembers t e m$ny t!mes I $%e !n%!te' er to come $n' we wor* to"et er to 'em$rc$te t e $re$ between t e m$!nl$n' $n' t e wetl$n's. S e cons!stently &$!le'. T e .eo.le o& NEMA c$me, we wor*e' w!t t em $n' w $t rem$!ne' w$s t e $rm o& t e m!n!ster $n' t ey were un$ble to .rocee' bec$use t e m!n!ster w$s runn!n" $w$y $n' yet s e !s electe'. So, t e .roblem "oes b$c* to t ose .eo.le w o $re not c$.$ble o& .utt!n" u. str!n"ent me$sures. 22

Mr S.e$*er, r!" t &rom )!buye $ll t e w$y to S$l$$m$ $n' t en you c$tc t e ot er stretc t rou" t e m$!n ro$' to Munyonyo t rou" N$but!t! u. to close to t e Amer!c$n Emb$ssy $n' t en close to t e ot er ro$' between )!bul! $n' t e Amer!c$n Emb$ssy, $ll t ese $re$s $%e been e$ten !n t e &$ce o& t e m!n!sters w o $%e "ot t e &!n$l s$y on NEMA. So, !s t e m!n!ster !n or'er to st$n' u. ere $n' s$y, F#e $re $ct!n" .er&ectly>G Is s e !n or'er> THE SPEAKER: C $n"e t e mo'e o& commun!c$t!on. MR O-ON#A OTTO: Mr S.e$*er, w!t out '!"ress!n" $ lot, I w$nt to em. $s!se t $t $t t e comm!ttee st$"e I w!ll &orm$lly mo%e t $t we $%e $n $ut or!ty+ we 'o not nee' $ .ol!t!c!$n to be m$n$"!n" )$m.$l$. For t e sent!ments o& .eo.le w o come &rom t e centr$l re"!on l!*e on. Er!$s /u*w$"o, we s $ll $%e $ m$yor be!n" $n e58o&&!c!o Member o& P$rl!$ment. It w!ll st!ll ser%e t e .ur.ose o& m$*!n" t ose .eo.le t!c* to %ote $ m$yor, but we nee' to s$y no to t ese t !n"s once $n' &or $ll. ; %au&hter0 For e5$m.le, on. )y$n9o $s*e', F# $t !s t e .roblem w!t NEMA>G M$ybe NEMA !s not $ "oo' e5$m.le+ let us use t e U"$n'$ Pol!ce w en t ey $re '!s.ers!n" r!oters+ $re t ey electe' le$'ers> T ey $re not. An' you $%e $lso, 9ust l!*e me, been $ %!ct!m o& t e!r brut$l!ty. So, we nee' $ s!tu$t!on w ere we s$y, F#e 'o not nee' $ny c $os ereG. #e nee' $ s!tu$t!on w ere we s$y, FNo re.$!r!n" w$tc es H; )nterruption0 MR K5AN.O: T e !n&orm$t!on I w$nt to %olunteer to t e on. Otto H by t e w$y, t $n* you &or y!el'!n" t e Floor 8 !s t $t t e U"$n'$ Pol!ce !s not $ st$tutory $ut or!ty. MR O-ON#A OTTO: Ye$ , t e only rele%$nt t !n" !s t $t t e Pol!ce $re not electe'M F1o $n' '!s.erse t $t r$llyG, t ere !s not !n" l!*e, FMy %oter !s t e ot er s!'e,G muc $s !t !s not $n $ut or!ty. /$stly, Mr S.e$*er, I woul' l!*e to $..e$l to 1o%ernment 8 I w$s !n M$l$w! some t!me b$c*. T ey $%e w $t t ey c$ll C$.!tol H!ll w ere $ll t e "o%ernment m!n!str!es $re loc$te'. So, &or e5$m.le, we coul' com.ulsor!ly $c=u!re $ u"e sect!on o& )ololo $n' t$*e $ll t e m!n!str!es t ere w!t one $ccess "$tew$y. So, !& someone !s "o!n" to wor* !n t e M!n!stry o& F!n$nce, t ey 'o not c$use tr$&&!c 9$m !n t e c!ty. #e nee' to st$rt t !n*!n" $r'+ t e moment we c$n remo%e F!n$nce $n' /$n's &rom ere $n' t$*e t em !n one $re$ w ere you c$n e%en securely .rotect t em &rom Al8S $b$b H; %au&hter08 you w!ll $utom$t!c$lly 'econ"est t e c!ty. So, I $m $..e$l!n" to w !c e%er $ut or!ty w!ll come t ere, to cons!'er com.ulsory $c=u!s!t!on o& cert$!n $re$s !n )ololo $n' we mo%e $ll 1o%ernment 'e.$rtments. It w!ll "o $ lon" w$y !n H;)nterruption0 MR !UK,A#O: T $n* you, on. O'on"$ Otto. I 9ust w$nt to "!%e you !n&orm$t!on $bout t e structur$l $rr$n"ement o& )$m.$l$ H ow !t w$s or!"!n$lly 'es!"ne' to be. )$m.$l$ w$s or!"!n$lly 'es!"ne' to be .urely commerc!$l $n' t e $'m!n!str$t!%e c!ty w$s su..ose' to be Entebbe. So, $ll t ese m!n!sters s oul' not $%e $' t e!r o&&!ces ere !& we were to &ollow t $t .l$n. An' surely, t ese c $mbers .lus t e st$te lo'"e !n N$*$sero w !c $re $ll c$us!n" t e tr$&&!c 9$m, s oul' $lso $%e been !n Entebbe. -ut 'o not worry, we $re com!n" !nto o&&!ce. ;%au&hter0 THE SPEAKER: I t !n* we 'o some "en'er b$l$nc!n". H$%e you &!n!s e'> MR O-ON#A OTTO: Mr S.e$*er, w!t $ll w $t I $%e s$!', I st!ll t !n* t $t bu!l'!n"s w !c $re be!n" recommen'e' &or construct!on must not be l!cense' w!t out .$r*!n" s.$ce. -ec$use we c$nnot cont!nue to n$rrow t e streets 9ust to $llow some one to collect t e re%enue &or c!ty counc!l. So, someone s oul' come $n' s$y, FFrom to'$y !& you $re .utt!n" u. suc $ structure, you must m$*e .ro%!s!ons &or $t le$st t ree or &our &loors &or .$r*!n" un'er"roun'.G So, t ese $re some o& t e !ssues on w !c we $re "!%!n" &ree $'%!ce to t e com!n" $ut or!ty. ;%au&hter0 T $n* you %ery muc , Mr S.e$*er. 23

:.6@ MS #RA"E TUB,ITA %NRM, ,oma0 Re3rese01a1)ve, Na2aso0*o&a+: T $n* you %ery muc , Mr S.e$*er. I su..ort t e -!ll, w !c I $m "l$' !s recommen'!n" )$m.$l$ to be $'m!n!stere' by t e Centr$l 1o%ernment. I .r$y t $t s!nce t e Centr$l 1o%ernment w!ll be t e one t$*!n" o%er t e $'m!n!str$t!on o& )$m.$l$, !t w!ll be $ble to "!%e !t enou" &!n$nc!n" bec$use $t t!mes s o''y wor* !s 'one bec$use t ere !s .oor &$c!l!t$t!on. )$m.$l$ $s been rece!%!n" less t $n t e re=u!re' &un's 8 t e e=u!%$lent o& w $t t e ot er '!str!cts $%e been rece!%!n" $n' yet we e5.ect $ lot &rom !t. -ut I 'o re=uest t e m!n!stry, moreso now t $t t e $'m!n!str$t!on o& )$m.$l$ !s "o!n" to be un'er t e Centr$l 1o%ernment, to $..rec!$te . ys!c$l .l$nn!n". T e .roblem we $%e !n t !s country !s t $t . ys!c$l .l$nn!n" $s not been "!%en .r!or!ty. T $t !s w y most o& t e towns w !c $re mus room!n" $re 'o!n" so $. $C$r'ly bec$use t e com.onent o& . ys!c$l .l$nn!n" !s not be!n" $..rec!$te'. ,ur!n" t e recent restructur!n" o& '!str!cts, !t w$s not cons!'ere' $t $ll $n' !t '!' not e%en &e$ture !n t e rele$se' "u!'el!nes. T $t me$ns t $t $ '!str!ct m$y or m$y not recru!t $ . ys!c$l .l$nner. -ut $&ter .$ss!n" t e recent -!ll w ere t e w ole country !s $ .l$nn!n" $re$, we .r$y t $t t e m!n!stry res.ons!ble w!ll !ssue t e "u!'el!nes '!rect!n" $ll '!str!cts to $%e . ys!c$l .l$nners so t $t t e towns $re well .l$nne'. Recently, t e M!n!stry o& /oc$l 1o%ernment contr$cte' $ &ew '!str!cts to .l$n &or t em 8; )nter1e!tion08 $n' t ese .l$ns, e%en !& t ey $re .re.$re' $n' you $%e $ll t e structur$l .l$ns $n' 'et$!le' l$y outs, but w!t out t e .erson !m.lement!n", t ey w!ll 9ust rem$!n on t e 'es*. So, my .r$yer !s, .le$se .ut !n some !nterest !n . ys!c$l .l$nn!n" so t $t t !s country c$n 'e%elo. !n $n or"$n!se' m$nner. Mr S.e$*er, w!t t e $..o!ntment o& t e E5ecut!%e ,!rector, !t !s not %ery cle$r !n t e -!ll w et er t e $..o!ntment !s on contr$ct or not. I &eel t $t !t woul' be better !& t ey $re $..o!nte' on contr$ct so t $t !& t e!r .er&orm$nce !s '!sm$l, t ey c$n be remo%e' &rom o&&!ce. -ut w en you loo* $t t e w$ys t rou" w !c t !s .erson c$n be remo%e' &rom o&&!ce, t ey $re l!*e .ens!on$ble c!%!l ser%$nts. -ut I woul' re=uest t $t t e E5ecut!%e ,!rector !s $..o!nte' on $ &!%e8ye$r contr$ct $n' $ssesse' to see w et er t ey $%e .er&orme' $n' t en .er $.s t e contr$ct !s renewe' b$s!n" on t $t. # en you loo* $t t e cre$t!on o& t e urb$n $ut or!ty H !n &$ct, t !s !s $lso rel$te' to t e !ssue o& &$c!l!t$t!on H I .r$y t $t t !s $ut or!ty w!ll not be 'orm$nt $n' !t w!ll be "!%en $ll t e necess$ry su..ort, bec$use w en you loo* $t t e st!.ul$te' &unct!ons o& t !s $ut or!ty, $ll t e $ct!%!t!es !t $s to 'o 8 I *now )$m.$l$ now $s to "et $ structur$l .l$n bec$use t e .l$n, w !c t ey $%e !s e5.!re' $n' $ new metro.ol!t$n structur$l .l$n o& )$m.$l$ must be .re.$re'. Com!n" u. w!t $ structur$l .l$n !n )$m.$l$ me$ns t $t t ere $re $ number o& !ssues t $t must be cons!'ere'+ t ere must be urb$n renew$l $n' t $t me$ns t $t t ere w!ll be $ lot o& 'emol!t!on, $n' w!t t e l$n' .roblems !n t !s country 8 you *now %ery well t $t l$n' 'oes not belon" to 1o%ernment but to t e .eo.le, $n' w en !t comes to 'emol!t!on, t ere w!ll be $ lot o& com.ens$t!on. So, I o.e t $t 1o%ernment w!ll re$lly .ut !n $ lot o& money so t $t t !s $ut or!ty 'oes not loo* to be 'orm$nt, bec$use e%en !& t ey come u. w!t $ structur$l .l$n $n' !t !s not !m.lemente' bec$use o& some o& t ose c $llen"es, )$m.$l$ w!ll not c $n"e $utom$t!c$lly. You remember %ery well $n' t e M!n!ster o& #or*s !s $w$re o& w $t too* .l$ce w en t e .l$n o& t e construct!on o& t e Nort ern -y.$ss c$me u.. T ere w$s $ lot o& com.ens$t!on $n' $ lot o& 'emol!t!ons too* .l$ce, $n' $ lot o& &un's were use' 'ur!n" t $t t!me. So, we .r$y t $t t !s w!ll be .ut !nto cons!'er$t!on bec$use $t t !s st$"e w ere we $re, !& we $re to sol%e t e .roblems !n )$m.$l$, t ere must be urb$n renew$l, w !c w!ll $%e to br!n" !n H()nterruption MS BINTU: T $n* you %ery muc , Mr S.e$*er $n' t e onour$ble member &or "!%!n" w$y. Actu$lly, we nee' to .ut $s!'e $ lot o& money &or 'emol!t!on $n' com.ens$t!on. #oul'n(t !t be w!se !& t e 24

"o%ernment st$rte' t !n*!n" o& 'e%elo.!n" $ new c!ty between N$*$son"ol$ $n' M$s!n'!> T $n* you. (%au&hter MS TUB,ITA: T $n* you, on. Member. Actu$lly, I w$s com!n" to t $t. -e&ore I "o to $not er .o!nt, I w$nt to s$y t $t t e -!ll 'oes not !n'!c$te w et er 8 !t !s t$l*!n" o& t e c $!r.erson o& t e $ut or!ty $n' &our ot er members $n' t en st!.ul$t!n" t e .ro&ess!ons, w !c $re "o!n" to be cons!'ere'. I woul' re=uest t $t !n t !s $ut or!ty t ere s oul' be "en'er b$l$nce bec$use !n most c$ses, t ey $..o!nt $n' t en &or"et t $t e%en e'uc$te' women $re t ere. So, we .r$y t $t t ere s oul' be cons!'er$t!on o& $ wom$n !n t !s $ut or!ty so t $t w en t ey $re $..o!nt!n", t e m!n!ster !s $w$re t $t some o& t e .ro&ess!on$ls w o $re . ys!c$l .l$nners, $rc !tects $n' en"!neers $n' $re women, e5!st. /!*e on. -!ntu s$!', I woul' $lso l!*e to re=uest t e "o%ernment to sol%e most o& t ese .roblems. I t !n* !t woul' be w!se !& we t !n* o& cre$t!n" $ secon' c!ty. #e s oul'n(t loo* $t only )$m.$l$ bec$use )$m.$l$ !s $lre$'y s=ueeCe' $n' t ere !s no room &or e5.$ns!on $n' yet t ere !s %$c$nt l$n' !n N$*$son"ol$, w !c c$n be occu.!e' $n' we c$n "et tec n!c$l .eo.le to .re.$re .ro.er .l$ns to $ccommo'$te t ese .roblems. T e !ssue o& on. O'on"$8Otto, w !c e w$s t$l*!n" $bout $n' re&err!n" to /!lon"we !n M$l$w!, woul' not $r!se bec$use some o& t ese 1o%ernment 'e.$rtments w!ll be .ut !n one $re$ $n' $ .erson w!ll be !n .os!t!on to sol%e !s .roblem !n one '$y, but $ .erson w o w$nts to sol%e $ l$n' $n' . ys!c$l .l$nn!n" .roblem $n' $ #or*s .roblem, w!ll mo%e &rom one .l$ce to $not er $n' t !s !s t!me w$st!n". -ut !& $ll t e "o%ernment 'e.$rtments $re to"et er, you "o to M!n!stry o& /$n's $n' "et out &rom t ere. I& t e t !n" re=u!res you to be !n #or*s, you w!ll "o !mme'!$tely to t e #or*s o&&!ce. I& !t re=u!res you to be !n E'uc$t!on you $re t ere, but w!t t !s structure, w !c !s !n t !s country w ere some o&&!ces $re !n Entebbe, some !n )$m.$l$, $n' sc$ttere' $ll o%er t e country, re$lly $&&ects t e loc$l .erson w o comes $roun' to sol%e !s .roblem. On t e !ssue o& t e m$yor, I woul' l!*e to concur w!t on. O'on"$8Otto. I $m tell!n" you t $t some o& t ese .roblems we &$ce !n t e urb$n centres 'e%elo.e' bec$use o& t e t!tles we $re ol'!n". You &!n' t $t I $m &e$r!n" to 'o somet !n" bec$use I &e$r .ubl!c o.!n!on $n' yet !& I $%e t e .owers 8 $t le$st !& we w$nt t e m$yor to be electe', let us cre$te $n elector$l colle"e, $ sm$ll one w !c !s m$'e u. o& .eo.le w o w!ll $..rec!$te t e wor* o& $ m$yor $n' t e wor* o& .l$nn!n", ot er t $n $ny .erson w o w!ll not e%en un'erst$n' w $t . ys!c$l .l$nn!n" or urb$n 'e%elo.ment !s $ll $bout. So, I .r$y t $t $t le$st t e m!n!stry t !n*s o& cre$t!n" $ sm$ll colle"e to $n'le t !s m$tter. I t $n* you, Mr S.e$*er. THE SPEAKER: Hon. Members, 'on(t you t !n* t $t $s &$r $s t e "ener$l 'eb$te !s concerne', we $%e 'one our best so t $t you c$n "o $n' t !n* $bout m$*!n" t e l$w $n' t e *!n' o& $men'ment you m$y br!n" to !m.ro%e t e -!ll> ,on(t you t !n* we s oul' .ronounce oursel%es on t e Mot!on &or secon' re$'!n" so t $t 8 I t !n* we m!" t not be $ble to 'o !t to'$y, but tomorrow we c$n 'e$l w!t t e comm!ttee st$"e w ere you c$n $n'le t !s cl$use by cl$use. O*$y, !s !t $"ree'> So, on. Members, t e Mot!on !s t $t t e -!ll ent!tle', FT e )$m.$l$ C$.!t$l C!ty -!ll, 2334G be re$' t e secon' t!me. (7uestion put and a&reed to. (Motion !arried 25

THE SPEAKER: As I $%e s$!', I t !n* w $t you nee' !s to "o $n' scrut!n!se t ese cl$uses $n' see w ere you t !n* you s oul' $men' or !m.ro%e so t $t we 'o t e comm!ttee st$"e tomorrow. Is t $t o*$y> O*$y. Now, s oul'n(t we ut!l!se t !s t!me to 'e$l w!t t e secon' 8 bec$use tomorrow I $lso w$nt to cont!nue w!t t e 'eb$te on t e CHO1M re.ort. C$n we '!s.ose o& t !s lo$n m$tter &or m$tern$l e$lt 'ur!n" t !s t!me> Isn(t t $t o*$y> Is t e m!n!ster ere> MR N-UHUURA: Mr S.e$*er, I $m not t e $ct!n" M!n!ster o& F!n$nce, but e w$s se$te' 9ust ne5t to me $n' ste..e' out+ so, I e5.ect !m !n t e House. THE SPEAKER: C$n we st$rt e$r!n" t e re.ort> MOTION FOR A RESO/UTION OF PAR/IAMENT TO AUTHORISE 1OEERNMENT TO -ORRO# SPECIA/ ,RA#IN1 RI1HTS <:.D MI//ION ENUIEA/ENT TO US, @63 MI//ION OR USHS 2<B -I//ION FROM THE INTERNATIONA/ ,EEE/OPMENT ASSOCIATION OF THE #OR/, -AN) FOR FINANCIN1 THE HEA/TH SYSTEMS STREN1THENIN1 PRO7ECT MR ,ERIKHE: Mr S.e$*er, &!rst o& $ll, I w$nt to t $n* t e S.e$*er $n' $ll Members o& t e E!" t P$rl!$ment 8 THE SPEAKER: E5cuse me, !s t e M!n!ster o& F!n$nce ere> MR NAN-A!A7MA ABI: Mr S.e$*er, you $re $w$re t $t t e .erson !n c $r"e o& mob!l!s!n" money !s t e M!n!ster o& F!n$nce $n' t e moment t e M!n!ster o& F!n$nce !s not $roun', !t me$ns e $s w!t 'r$wn t e !ssue o& mob!l!s$t!on. #e $%e $ 'ebt .roblem $n' $ 'ebt str$te"y .roblem. M$ybe t e m!n!ster $s s$!' t $t bec$use o& unsust$!n$ble 'ebts, FI $%e "one outG $n' you c$n s$y t $t t e only .erson res.ons!ble &or F!n$nce !s t e M!n!ster o& F!n$nce. So, Mr S.e$*er, !s !t .roce'ur$lly r!" t to H THE SPEAKER: S!nce t e /e$'er o& 1o%ernment -us!ness !s ere, .le$se, tell us t e .os!t!on bec$use t !s mot!on !s !n t e n$me o& t e M!n!stry o& F!n$nce. # $t 'o we 'o> :.AD THE MINISTER O STATE OR INAN"E, P!ANNIN# AN- E"ONOMI" -E$E!OPMENT %IN$ESTMENT+ %Mr As1o0 Ka:ara+: T $n* you so muc , Mr S.e$*er. I w$nt &!rst o& $ll to t $n* t e S.e$*er $n' t e onour$ble Members o& P$rl!$ment &or $%!n" H ()nterruption MR ,A"HA: Mr S.e$*er, t e $"en'$ !tem s$ys +Motion $or a resolution o$ Parliament/.. C$n I be tol' w et er !t $s been mo%e'> I see t e m!n!ster 9ust s!tt!n" t ere, 'o!n" not !n". MR KA.ARA: Mr S.e$*er, I w!s to mo%e $ mot!on &or $ resolut!on o& P$rl!$ment $ut or!s!n" 1o%ernment to borrow S,R <:.D m!ll!on, e=u!%$lent to USO @63 m!ll!on, $n' e=u!%$lent to S s 2<B b!ll!on &rom t e Intern$t!on$l ,e%elo.ment Assoc!$t!on o& t e #orl' -$n*, &or &!n$nc!n" t e e$lt systems stren"t en!n" .ro9ect. I be" to mo%e. THE SPEAKER: O*$y, !t $s been secon'e'. MR KA.ARA: Mr S.e$*er, t !s lo$n w$s l$!' be&ore P$rl!$ment $n' !t w$s $n'e' o%er to t e Comm!ttee on N$t!on$l Economy. It !s to borrow t !s $mount o& money w !c w$s ne"ot!$te' by t e 26

1o%ernment o& U"$n'$ $n' !t !s su..ose' to &!n$nce t e e$lt systems stren"t en!n" .ro9ect, w !c .ro9ect w!ll be !m.lemente' by t e M!n!stry o& He$lt . Mr S.e$*er, Members w!ll note t $t !n U"$n'$, ser%!ce 'el!%ery $s 'eter!or$te' 'ue to $mon" ot er t !n"s .roblems rel$te' to e$lt systems, n$mely, um$n resources, me'!c!nes, e$lt su..l!es, lo"!st!cs, e$lt !n&r$structure, le$'ers !. $n' t e m$n$"ement c $llen"es. T !s lo$n !s su..ose', $mon" ot er t !n"s, to $''ress t ose c $llen"es $n' &or t e l$st t ree ye$rs, t e "o%ernment e5.en'!ture on e$lt $s $ .ercent$"e o& t e tot$l bu'"et $s been &$!rly cons!stent, r$n"!n" &rom D.: .ercent !n 233@ to n!ne .ercent !n 233D, $n' @@.B .ercent !n 233<L34 $s o..ose' to t e 233@ Abu9$ ,ecl$r$t!on t$r"ets o& @: .ercent. T e .er c$.!t$ e5.en'!ture on e$lt !s $bout USO 2: o& w !c USO D !s $"$!nst t e He$lt Str$te"!c Pl$n II w !c t$r"ets USO 2< $n' t e #orl' He$lt Or"$n!s$t!on t$r"et o& USO A3. T !s lo$n !s me$nt to br!'"e t e "$. es.ec!$lly to 'o w!t U"$n'$(s m$tern$l mort$l!ty r$t!o w !c !s currently %ery !" $t A6: 'e$t s .er @,333 l!%e b!rt s $n' t e m$tern$l mort$l!ty r$t!o tr$nsl$tes u. to B,333 women 'y!n" e%ery ye$r 'ue to .re"n$ncy rel$te' c$uses. T !s lo$n !s su..ose' to $''ress t $t c $llen"e $n' br!n" 'own t e mort$l!ty r$t!o. /!*ew!se, t e contr$ce.t!%e .re%$lence r$te &or U"$n'$ $s been 26.B .ercent $mon" t e lowest !n t e sub8re"!on $n' !t !s $""r$%$te' by t e &$ct t $t t e unmet nee' &or &$m!ly .l$nn!n" !s st!ll $t A@ .ercent $n' yet only AB .ercent o& t e e$lt &$c!l!t!es o&&er &$m!ly .l$nn!n" ser%!ces. /$stly, t e !n&$nt mort$l!ty r$te !n U"$n'$ !s $s !" $s DB .ercent .er @,333 l!%e b!rt s $n' $bout 24 o& $ll !n&$nt 'e$t s occur !n neon$t$l .er!o' 8 t $t !s t e &!rst 2< '$ys o& l!&e 8 w!t t ree =u$rters o& t e neon$t$l 'e$t s occurr!n" !n t e &!rst wee* $n' t e !" est r!s* o& 'e$t be!n" w!t !n t e &!rst 2A ours. T e le$'!n" c$uses $%e been $nte&!5, se.s!s $n' blee'!n" &rom t e cor'. Mr S.e$*er, t !s lo$n !s su..ose' to $''ress t ese !n&$nt mort$l!ty r$tes to br!n" t em 'own to m$n$"e$ble le%els, $n' t e t !r' element w !c !s "o!n" to be $''resse' by t !s lo$n !s t e um$n resource element, w !c $s been $t cr!s!s le%els. Hum$n resources $re st!ll s ort bot !n number $n' s*!ll to e&&ect!%ely res.on' to t e e$lt nee's o& t e!r country. T e !nst!tut!on$l c$.$c!ty $s been %ery we$* $n' t !s lo$n !s su..ose' to $''ress t $t c $llen"e, Mr S.e$*er. T !s lo$n $s been cons!'ere' by t e Comm!ttee on N$t!on$l Economy $n' m$ny st$*e ol'ers $n' I be" to mo%e t $t t e comm!ttee c$n e5.oun' more on t e &!n'!n"s. I t $n* you. :.:A THE "HAIRMAN, "OMMITTEE ON NATIONA! E"ONOM5 %Mr S1e3/e0 Mu2)1a&e+: T $n* you so muc , Mr S.e$*er. I w$nt to s!ncerely t $n* t e S.e$*er $n' $ll t e Members o& t e E!" t P$rl!$ment &or $%!n" m$'e $ b!" .us &or t !s lo$n. It $s been $n ol' story r!" t &rom t e '$ys o& Surum$ to8'$te, $n' we $%e been .rom!se' t $t t !s !s t e be"!nn!n". On be $l& o& t e Comm!ttee on N$t!on$l Economy, I now .resent $ re.ort on t e re=uest by 1o%ernment to borrow S.ec!$l ,r$w!n" R!" ts <:.D m!ll!on e=u!%$lent to S s 2<B m!ll!on &rom t e #orl' -$n* I,A &or &!n$nc!n" t e e$lt systems stren"t en!n" .ro9ect. T e m!n!ster $s $lre$'y "!%en t e br!e& to P$rl!$ment, $n' I $%e c!rcul$te' some co.!es. I t !n* t $t w!ll el. us $n' s$%e us &rom "o!n" !nto t e 'et$!ls. /$r"ely, !& you loo* $t t e com.onents, one !s m$tern$l $n' newborn ser%!ces+ t e secon' one !s t e um$n resources &or e$lt . T e m!n!ster $s t$l*e' $bout t e ob9ect!%es+ so, I w!ll str$!" t $w$y "o to .$"e @3 on t e .ro9ect com.onent. S!nce you $ll $%e t e br!e& to P$rl!$ment &rom t e m!n!ster $n' we $%e c!rcul$te' t e co.!es, I w!ll "o to .$"e @@ on com.onent @, w !c !s $bout t e !m.ro%ement o& m$tern$l newborn $n' &$m!ly .l$nn!n" 27

ser%!ces to t$*e USO 63 m!ll!on. T e secon' com.onent on .$"e @2 !s $bout t e !m.ro%e' e$lt wor*&orce, 'e%elo.ment $n' m$n$"ement $t USO : m!ll!on. T e b!""est com.onent, w !c !s $lso rel$te' to m$tern$l e$lt $n' newborn e$lt , !s t e !m.ro%e' !n&r$structure o& t e e5!st!n" e$lt &$c!l!t!es. T e l$st one !s $bout t e !m.ro%e' le$'ers !. m$n$"ement $n' $ccount$b!l!ty &or e$lt ser%!ce 'el!%ery $t USO @3 m!l!on. So, cle$rly, you c$n see t $t t e b!""er $mount o& USO @@: m!ll!on !s &or !n&r$structure $n' m$tern$l e$lt . Mr S.e$*er $n' onour$ble colle$"ues, we !n=u!re' $bout t e e$rl!er .ro9ect, w !c t !s P$rl!$ment $..ro%e'. #e $%e $%$!le' co.!es o& t !s boo*let to $ll Members o& P$rl!$ment. I& you '!' not .!c* one &rom t e t$ble outs!'e, I woul' re=uest t $t you "et $ co.y now. I $lso woul' l!*e to l$y $ co.y on t e T$ble bec$use we $"ree' w!t t e Comm!ttee on Soc!$l Ser%!ces to !ntern$l!se t !s re.ort !n 'et$!l to"et er. You c$n $lso see ow t e e$rl!er m$tern$l e$lt lo$n w$s $n'le'. I woul' $lso l!*e to l$y on t e T$ble t e .ro9ect $..r$!s$l 'ocument w!t $n !m.lement$t!on .l$n &or t e s$me. A"$!n, $ &ew co.!es $re $%$!l$ble. F!n$lly, we $%e &!el' re.orts $n' m!nutes to l$y on t e T$ble. T e &!el' re.orts were "ener$te' $&ter our 9o!nt %!s!ts o& t e &$c!l!t!es !n t e '!&&erent re"!ons !nclu'!n" A.$c, M$s!n'! $n' Moyo w!t t e Comm!ttee on Soc!$l Ser%!ces. #e $lso $%e H THE SPEAKER: C$n you "!%e us your obser%$t!ons $n' t e recommen'$t!ons. MR MUKITA!E: Muc obl!"e', Mr S.e$*er. #!t obser%$t!ons $n' recommen'$t!ons. your "u!'$nce, let me mo%e to .$"e @4 on

T e comm!ttee obser%e' t $t t e $c !e%ements o& t e .ro9ect 'e%elo.ment w!ll be me$sure' us!n" t e &ollow!n" *ey .er&orm$nce !n'!c$tors? ,el!%ery t$*!n" .l$ce !n 1o%ernment $n' .r!%$te non8.ro&!t e$lt &$c!l!t!es+ .re"n$nt mot ers $t le$st $tten'!n" &our $nten$t$l c$re %!s!ts+ !n .ercent$"e terms, contr$ce.t!%es .re%$lence r$te+ .eo.le w!t $ccess to b$s!c .$c*$"es o& e$lt + $n' nutr!t!on or .o.ul$t!on ser%!ces $n' '!rect .ro9ect bene&!c!$r!es, w !c w!ll !nclu'e t e &em$le .ercent$"e. T e comm!ttee recommen's t $t t e M!n!stry o& He$lt ensures t $t u.8to8'$te b$sel!ne !n&orm$t!on or '$t$ on t e $bo%e !n'!c$tors &or t e t$r"ete' e$lt &$c!l!t!es !n t e .ro9ect $re !n .l$ce. T !s !s so t $t t e me$surements o& t e .er&orm$nce o& t e .ro9ect $t !ts en' become me$n!n"&ul $n' re$l!st!c. T e comm!ttee obser%e' t $t !n or'er to ensure %$lue &or money, $t le$st two %$lue8&or8money $u'!ts w!ll be comm!ss!one' by t e Au'!tor81ener$l 'ur!n" t e l!&es.$n o& t e .ro9ect. T e &un'!n" &or t !s $ct!%!ty !s .ro%!'e' &or !n t e .ro9ect. #e &oun' t !s %ery commen'$ble. T e comm!ttee obser%e' t $t !n t e !m.ro%ement o& m$tern$l, newborn $n' &$m!ly .l$nn!n" ser%!ces, t e .ro9ect com.onent on nutr!t!on !nter%ent!on rel$te' to m$tern$l e$lt $n' c !l' e$lt $' been e5clu'e' &rom t e .ro9ect. T !s !s !ns.!te o& t e &$ct t $t nutr!t!on !s $mon" t e .ro9ect !n'!c$tors &or .er&orm!n", mon!tor!n" $n' e%$lu$t!on. T e comm!ttee recommen's t $t t e m!n!stry re%!s!ts t !s $re$ !n &uture to ensure !t .uts !n .l$ce $'e=u$te me$sures o& !ncor.or$t!n" nutr!t!on !nter%ent!ons !n &uture .ro9ects. T e comm!ttee obser%e' t $t t e .ro9ect w!ll cre$te $ centr$l 9ob bure$u $t M!n!stry o& He$lt , w !c w!ll be 'u.l!c$t!on !n t e role currently .l$ye' by t e He$lt Ser%!ce Comm!ss!on. T e comm!ttee, t ere&ore, recommen's t $t t e m!n!stry s oul' !nste$' stren"t en t e He$lt Ser%!ce Comm!ss!on to en$ble !t to 28

e&&!c!ently $n' e&&ect!%ely .er&orm !ts &unct!on, es.ec!$lly t $t o& !m.ro%!n" um$n resource &or e$lt to $''ress m$tern$l $n' neon$t$l c$re. #e $re concerne' t $t t e 'e%elo.ment .$rtners seem to be !ncre$s!n"ly m$*!n" $ 'em$n' t $t t e .ro9ect !m.lement$t!on un!ts $re $..o!nte' outs!'e t e e5!st!n" m!n!stry structures. #e t !n* t !s !s '$n"erous. As P$rl!$ment, we $' e$rl!er 'em$n'e' t $t H $n' 1o%ernment $s been &ollow!n" on t $t 8 t e m!n!stry uses t e s$me um$n resource &or .ro9ect coor'!n$t!on. So, we obser%e' t $t t $t concern s oul' be $''resse'. T e comm!ttee $lso obser%e' t $t 1o%ernment $s re=ueste' U"$n'$ M$rtyrs Un!%ers!ty to 'e%elo. $ two8ye$r m$sters( .ro"r$mme !n os.!t$l m$n$"ement. T e .ro9ect w!ll su..ort M!n!stry o& He$lt to !m.lement t !s tr$!n!n" .ro"r$mme $s well $s u."r$'e st$&& $lre$'y !n m$n$"ement .os!t!ons. T e comm!ttee recommen's t $t t e M!n!stry o& He$lt s oul' ensure t $t $ccre'!t$t!on o& suc .ro.ose' courses !s 'one. #e $lso '!' obser%e t $t most e$lt un!ts l$c*e' b$s!c e=u!.ment suc $s e5$m!n$t!on co$c es $n' 'el!%ery be's !n m$tern!ty w$r's. T ose t $t e5!ste' $re ol' $n' rusty w !c '!scour$"es mot ers &rom 'el!%er!n" &rom e$lt un!ts. /!m!te' s.$ce !n m$tern!ty w$r's $n' $lmost $ll e$lt w$r's $t $ll le%els $' worsene' t e s!tu$t!on. T e comm!ttee recommen's t $t 1o%ernment s oul' cle$rly e$rm$r* $ bu'"et &or t $t $n' "!%e !t t e necess$ry $ttent!on !t 'eser%es !n or'er to m$*e b!" str!'es tow$r's $c !e%!n" M!llenn!um ,e%elo.ment 1o$l No.: ;M,1 :0. #e $' to re=uest t e m!n!stry to "!%e us t e!r He$lt Sector Str$te"!c Pl$n to el. us un'erst$n' w $t .l$ns t ey $%e &or t ose $re$s w !c $re s.ec!&!c$lly ment!one' !n t !s .ro9ect. I woul' re=uest t $t co.!es be "!%en to Members. Now t $t we $re t$l*!n" $bout n$t!on$l 'e%elo.ment, $s P$rl!$ment, w en we $re 'e$l!n" w!t $ &ew !nter%ent!ons we s oul' *now w $t !s ne5t $n' w $t t e "$.s $re. #e t ou" t t $t !t w$s !m.ort$nt t $t we s $re w!t t e Comm!ttee on Soc!$l Ser%!ces $n' t e Members o& P$rl!$ment t e !n&orm$t!on !n t e He$lt Sector Str$te"!c In%estment Pl$n. I now l$y $ co.y on t e T$ble. I $lso w$nt to s$y t $t we c$me $cross $ contr$ct. # ere$s Moyo Hos.!t$l !s %ery cle$n, w$s bu!lt $t t e s$me t!me w!t A.$c, $n' $%e *e.t t e!r e=u!.ment, !n A.$c we "ot to re$l!se t $t $ lot o& e=u!.ment w$s rusty. E%en &rom t e e$rl!er money sou" t &rom t e m!n!stry to re.$!r A.$c Hos.!t$l, by t e t!me we were t ere t e contr$ctor $' not yet 'el!%ere'+ e w$s su..ose' to $%e $n'e' o%er !n 233<. #e w$nt to re=uest t e m!n!ster to c$ll u.on t $t A.$c contr$ctor on t $t !ssue. T e comm!ttee obser%e' t $t t e st$te o& !n&r$structure o& e$lt &$c!l!t!es w$s w$y below t e e5.ecte' st$n'$r's. T e comm!ttee obser%e' t $t t e le%el o& '!l$.!'$t!on $roun' $n' w!t !n e$lt &$c!l!t!es $t $ll le%els w$s s oc*!n". Most bu!l'!n"s nee'e' reno%$t!on, reconstruct!on or e5tens!on, w !le some &$c!l!t!es were com.letely m!ss!n". In M$s!n'! $n' A.$c os.!t$ls &or !nst$nce, 'es.!te be!n" '!str!ct "ener$l os.!t$ls t e ent!re e$lt !n&r$structure $t t ese &$c!l!t!es re=u!re' $ com.lete m$*eo%er. T e comm!ttee obser%e' t $t t e .ro%!s!on o& !n&r$structure &or w$ter su..ly !n e$lt &$c!l!t!es w$s e!t er by bore oles &or rur$l8b$se' e$lt &$c!l!t!es, or .!.e' w$ter &or .er!8urb$n $n' urb$n e$lt &$c!l!t!es. In t e c$se o& '!str!ct os.!t$ls t $t we %!s!te', w$ter su..ly $n' .lumb!n" systems were e!t er 'e&ect!%e or com.letely out o& or'er. T e comm!ttee $lso obser%e' t $t t ere were &ew $%$!l$ble st$&& ouses !n t e &$c!l!t!es %!s!te' $n' e%en t e $%$!l$ble ones e!t er re=u!re' reno%$t!on or were !n $ '!l$.!'$te' st$te $n' not &!t &or $b!t$t!on. /$c* o& st$&& $ccommo'$t!on $' been c!te' $s $ m$9or c$use o& &$!lure to $ttr$ct $n' ret$!n st$&& $t t ese e$lt &$c!l!t!es. 29

T e comm!ttee recommen's t $t 1o%ernment s oul' &ormul$te $ 'el!ber$te .ol!cy to $ttr$ct e$lt .r$ct!t!oners, es.ec!$lly me'!c$l o&&!cers, to wor* !n rur$l $n' $r'8to8re$c $re$s. T e .ol!cy s oul' $%e $..ro$c es to .ro%!'e $''!t!on$l $r's !. $llow$nces &or me'!c$l st$&& .oste' to '!str!cts w!t $re$s t $t $re $r'8to8re$c $n' l!%e !n, es.ec!$lly t ose t $t were $&&ecte' by $rme' con&l!cts, %ery .er!. er$l, remote $n' .oor. T e comm!ttee &urt er obser%e' t $t most o& t e est$bl!s e' %$c$nc!es !n t e e$lt un!ts were not &!lle' u. ence le$'!n" to $ !" .$t!ent to me'!c$l wor*er r$t!o. T e most $&&ecte' st$&&!n" .os!t!ons were t ose o& me'!c$l 'octors, cl!n!c$l o&&!cers, enrolle' m!'w!%es $n' l$bor$tory st$&&. T e comm!ttee recommen's to P$rl!$ment t $t t e M!n!stry o& He$lt s oul' e5.e'!te t e .rocess o& recru!tment to &!ll %$c$nt .osts !n $ll e$lt &$c!l!t!es !n or'er to !m.ro%e t e me'!c$l wor*er to .$t!ent r$t!o, t e l$c* o& st$&& $ccommo'$t!on $n' .oor remuner$t!on. T ese $re m$9or &$ctors !n $ttr$ct!n" $n' ret$!n!n" me'!c$l .ersonnel $n' t ey s oul' be $''resse' $s $ m$tter o& ur"ency. T e comm!ttee $lso obser%e' t $t e$lt &$c!l!t!es $' $ c $llen"e o& meet!n" t e e5.ense o& $ltern$t!%e ener"y sources. A &ew e$lt &$c!l!t!es t $t $' m$n$"e' to secure "ener$tors $n' sol$r .$nels were $lw$ys con&ronte' w!t .roblems o& sust$!n$b!l!ty 'ue to !" m$!nten$nce costs !n%ol%e'. Unst$ble $n' tot$l l$c* o& .ower su..ly !n some c$ses ren'ere' o.er$t!n" t e$tres !n os.!t$ls $n' e$lt centre IEs $n' $ &ew e5!st!n" s.ec!$l!se' e=u!.ment suc $s 58r$ys $n' ultr$soun' m$c !nes re'un'$nt most o& t e t!me. T e comm!ttee recommen's t $t 1o%ernment s oul' cons!'er subs!'!s!n" ut!l!t!es &or e$lt &$c!l!t!es. T ose t $t 'o not $%e $ccess to y'ro electr!c .ower s oul' be &$c!l!t$te' to !nst$ll $ltern$t!%e sources o& .ower suc $s sol$r .ower. T e comm!ttee $lso obser%e' t $t e$lt &$c!l!t!es l$c* rel!$ble me$ns o& tr$ns.ort to en$ble t em c$rry out e%$cu$t!on o& emer"ency c$ses, .ro%!'!n" outre$c ser%!ces $n' 'el!%ery o& su..l!es. #e 'o recommen' t $t $t !" er le%els 8 '!str!ct, re"!on$l $n' n$t!on$l re&err$l os.!t$ls 8 t e M!n!stry o& He$lt nee's to cons!'er $ s.ec!$l bu'"et to c$ter &or m$!nten$nce o& $%$!l$ble $mbul$nce ser%!ces w !c $%e l$r"ely been ne"lecte'. #e $lso '!' obser%e t $t t e &!n$nc!$l !m.$ct o& t e .ro9ect on 1o%ernment(s e$lt s.en'!n" w!ll be &elt m$!nly !n terms o& $''!t!on$l resources &or m$!nten$nce o& reno%$te' &$c!l!t!es, $n' re.$!r $n' re.l$cement o& me'!c$l e=u!.ment. T e comm!ttee recommen's t $t 1o%ernment s oul' sc$le u. !ts comm!tment to !ncre$se' e$lt bu'"et &!n$nc!n" !& t e .ro9ect bene&!ts $re to be sust$!ne' beyon' t e .ro9ect l!&es.$n by ensur!n" t $t t e recurrent costs 'ue to t e .ro9ect $re t!mely $bsorbe' to t e n$t!on$l bu'"et. On .$"e 2A, $s I conclu'e, t e comm!ttee note' t e "o%ernment e&&orts to $''ress e$lt systems bottlenec*s $n' !m.ro%e e&&ect!%eness o& t e e$lt sector. Em. $s!s on $''ress!n" system w!'e constr$!nts w!ll ensure re.ro'uct!%e $ct!%!t!es become more sust$!n$ble. T e .ro9ect $!ms to !m.ro%e &unct!on$l!ty o& t e e5!st!n" e$lt &$c!l!t!es, !n .$rt!cul$r, to 'el!%er m$tern$l $n' c !l' e$lt ser%!ces w !c re.resent $ m$9or source o& '!se$se bur'en !n our .o.ul$t!on. In%est!n" !n re.ro'uct!%e e$lt c$re, es.ec!$lly &$m!ly .l$nn!n", w!ll not only rele$se t e str$!n on t e "o%ernment bu'"et &or soc!$l ser%!ces, but w!ll $lso !m.ro%e t e e$lt o& mot ers $n' c !l'ren $n' t e o%er$ll wel&$re o& ouse ol's. As !t $' been e$rl!er st$te' by t e M!n!ster o& He$lt , we $re concerne' $s to w y !t w$s USO @63 m!ll!on, but we were rel!$bly !n&orme' t $t t e &!"ure w$s su..ose' to be USO B33 m!ll!on &rom t e #orl' -$n* $lt ou" t e !n!t!$l !s USO @63 m!ll!on. So, we were "!%en $ssur$nce 8 .oss!bly M!n!stry o& He$lt $n' F!n$nce w!ll tell us t $t more !s yet to come H $n' t $t !s w y we '!' $s* &or t e e$lt sector 30

!n%estment .l$n. #e w$nte' to *now w !c o& t ose $re$s $re "o!n" to be bene&!c!$r!es o& t !s He$lt Systems Stren"t en!n" Pro9ect ;HSSP0 II w !c w$s $lre$'y be!n" rolle' out. In conclus!on, t e comm!ttee, t ere&ore, su..orts $n' recommen's to t !s House to $..ro%e t e "o%ernment re=uest to borrow t e muc nee'e' S,R <:.D m!ll!on, e=u!%$lent to USO @63 m!ll!on $n' e=u!%$lent to, $t t e current r$te, S s 2<B b!ll!on &rom t e Intern$t!on$l ,e%elo.ment Assoc!$t!on ;I,A0 o& t e #orl' -$n* 1rou. &or &!n$nc!n" t e He$lt Systems Stren"t en!n" Pro9ect. I be" to re.ort. THE SPEAKER: T $n* you %ery muc . B.@6 THE SHA-O, MINISTER O INAN"E %Mr "/ar&es Oduma0+: I t $n* you, Mr S.e$*er, $n' I t $n* t e c $!r.erson &or t e re.ort o& t e comm!ttee. On t e sur&$ce o& t e mot!on $n' re.ort, you see "oo' !ntent!ons. You see t $t t ere !s $ le"!t!m$te .roblem t e "o%ernment !s !nten'!n" to resol%e. It t$l*s $bout !m.ro%ement o& $ccess $n' ut!l!s$t!on o& essent!$l ser%!ces $n' .ro%!s!on o& b$s!c sur"!c$l $n' obstetr!c c$re. On t e sur&$ce, t ese $re %ery "oo' !ntent!ons. #e $%e been t$l*!n" $bout t ese o%er $ %ery lon" t!me $n' we s oul' $%e 'one t !s yester'$y. Our concern t ou" !s t $t we $re won'er!n" w et er t e lo$n or borrow!n" !s t e solut!on. You see, !t !s %ery e$sy to "et $..ro%$l &rom someone w o !s nee'y. T e moment you s$y, FI w$nt to "!%e you 'ru"sG or FI w$nt to "!%e you e$lt centresG, !t !s %ery tem.t!n" to 9um. !n $n' s$y, FO& course, I nee' t emG. For t ose o& you w o w!ll s$y no to t $t, you w!ll loo* l!*e you $re $"$!nst t e nee'y .erson. Howe%er, w en you loo* beyon' t !s, we m$y $s* t e secon' =uest!on? FIs t e lo$n t e $nswer>G Our $nswer !s $n !mme'!$te FnoG. T !s lo$n !s .$rt $n' .$rcel o& t e bu'"et we $%e $lre$'y .$sse'. O& course, we c$n 'eb$te on w et er we coul' 'o $nyt !n" $t t !s st$"e, $s we '!' 'ur!n" t e bu'"et st$"e w en we $..ro.r!$te' t e money, to see w et er we coul' $''ress oursel%es to t e nee' &or borrow!n". T !s !s bec$use t e com.onents &or borrow!n" were !n'!c$te' !n t e bu'"et $n' t e 9ust!&!c$t!ons were t ere!n. As you *now, we ne%er re$lly "ot to 'eb$te !n 'et$!l t e sess!on$l comm!ttee re.orts $t t $t t!me. Now, w $t c$n we 'o $t t !s st$"e, $%!n" .$sse' t e &!"ures 'ur!n" t e bu'"et> # $t c$n we 'o $bout t !s lo$n ot er t $n to .$ss !t> T $t !s w ere we $re $n' !t !s $ re$l!ty. So, we $re s$y!n", !s t !s lo$n $ necess!ty or not> I& you con%ert USO @63 m!ll!on, t $t comes to $bout Us s 2B3 b!ll!on $t t e r$te o& Us s 2,333. # $t !s Us s 2B3 b!ll!on> ,o we nee' to borrow t !s money> Our e5.er!ence w!t CHO1M !n'!c$tes to us t $t we c$n r$!se t $t money. #e r$!se' Us s :33 b!ll!on by su..lement$ry *()nter1e!tion ( You *now we r$!se' !t. Intern$l sourc!n" c$n be $ su&&!c!ent mec $n!sm &or &!n$nc!n" t ese !n!t!$t!%es. # y $m I s$y!n" t !s> I t !n* t ere $re re$lly ser!ous structur$l !ssues t $t nee' to be $''resse' !n t e M!n!stry o& He$lt . #e $%e $' $ se.$r$te *(Mr Kakoo8a rose6 I $m 9ust m$*!n" $ .o!nt $n' you w!ll come !n, on. M!n!ster. MR KAKOO8A: I t $n* you, my colle$"ue, &or "!%!n" w$y. I woul' l!*e to rem!n' colle$"ues t $t !t !s e%en !n t e Hansard t $t P$rl!$ment $s been 'em$n'!n" &or e$lt stren"t en!n" systems, es.ec!$lly &or re.ro'uct!%e e$lt , $n' to t$ble t !s lo$n $n' see to !t t $t m$tern$l c !l' e$lt !s !m.ro%e'. # en you s$y t $t !t !s not $ necess!ty, we $re $t $ loss. I t $n* you %ery muc . MR O-UMAN: Now, Mr S.e$*er, my .o!nt w$s 8 31

MR NAN-A!A7MA ABI: I t !n* we s oul' not lose s!" t o& t e !ssues. I 'o not t !n* our s $'ow m!n!ster !s s$y!n" m$tern$l e$lt c$re !s not su..ose' to be .ro%!'e'. T e $r"ument !s? # y s oul' we borrow to tre$t our .eo.le w en we coul' $%e use' our loc$lly "ener$te' &un's> T $t woul' $%e been t e &!rst c$ll on our bu'"et. T $t !s t e $r"ument. It !s not "oo' &or us to be borrow!n" to tre$t our .eo.le $n' yet we $%e our own resources w !c $re mostly m!sm$n$"e'. MR O-UMAN: I t $n* you &or t e !n&orm$t!on. MR TIN-AMAN5IRE: I t $n* you. I t !n* t e essence !s not t e element o& borrow!n", but I t !n* w $t on. O'um$n !s br!n"!n" u. !s $ s!tu$t!on w ere we re&use' $ lo$n t $t w$s &rom Publ!c Ser%!ce. # en you loo* $t t !s lo$n ere, t e essence !s, yes, we w$nt m$tern$l e$lt , but w en you loo* $t t e m!n!ster(s e5.l$n$t!on on .$"e @@, &or e5$m.le, t ey $re t$l*!n" $bout m$tern$l $n' newborn $t USO 63 m!ll!on+ um$n resource $t USO : m!ll!on+ !n&r$structure $t USO <: m!ll!on+ le$'ers !. $t USO @3 m!ll!on. All t !s comes to t e USO @63 m!ll!on. Now, w en you "o to .$"e @D o& t e comm!ttee re.ort $n' you $'' u. t e &!"ures, t ere !s no correl$t!on w $tsoe%er *()nter1e!tion ( On .$"e @D, Sect!on B.A, t ere !s @3 m!ll!on or you &!n' t $t !n $ctu$l &$ct, t e lo$n $s been "ot, not necess$r!ly &or m$tern$l e$lt , but $ctu$lly &or $""r$n'!sement. # y 'on(t we "et e5$ctly w $t we w$nt> I& !t !s m$tern$l e$lt , !t !s to be USO 63 m!ll!on $n' t en let us borrow USO 63 m!ll!on $n' not necess$r!ly borrow!n" USO @63 m!ll!on. MR O-UMAN: I w$s t$*!n" !n&orm$t!on &rom !m. Hon. M!n!ster w y 'on(t you 8 MR KAKOO8A: # y 'on(t I t$l* so t $t t e P$rl!$ment !s !n&orme'> # en we t$l* o& !n&r$structure, !t $s $ b!" com.onent o& m$tern$l e$lt . ,o you 'el!%er &rom trees> (%au&hter #e $%e e=u!.ment w!t !n t e !n&r$structure $n' !t !s $ com.onent w!t !n t !s money we $re t$l*!n" $bout. MR O-UMAN: Mr S.e$*er $n' on. M!n!ster, I t !n* you c$n see t e !mme'!$te re$ct!on &rom t e on. Member. You see, t ere !s no content!on w $tsoe%er, w et er we nee' to !m.ro%e m$tern$l e$lt + t ere !s no content!on $s to w et er we nee' to bee& u. our !n&r$structure. Our !n'!c$tors $n' le%els $re st!ll %ery low com.$re' to recommen'e' st$n'$r's. Yes, we must 'o t $t, but t e =uest!on !s, ow 'o we 'o !t> In t e l$st &!n$nc!$l ye$r, t e M!n!stry o& He$lt c$me ere $n' brou" t u. t e !ssue o& 'ru" s ort$"es $s $n e5$m.le !n os.!t$ls. T ey s$!' t e solut!on to t !s !s to tr!.le t e bu'"et o& N$t!on$l Me'!c$l Stores. #e '!' e5$ctly t $t. #e "$%e money &or .urc $se o& 'ru"s $n' we "$%e t e money &or .urc $se o& truc*s &or 'el!%er!n" t e 'ru"s to t e e$lt centres. U. to to'$y, w en you "o 'own to t e %!ll$"es $n' you w!ll ne%er &!n' me'!c!nes. T e on. M!n!ster o& He$lt , w o !s your sen!or colle$"ue, w$s ere !n t !s House tell!n" us t $t e nee'e' t e el. $n' t e $ss!st$nce o& t !s House to est$bl!s $ *!n' o& comm!ttee o& !n=u!ry to !n%est!"$te w y '!str!cts $re not $s*!n" &or 'ru"s. H!s .roblem w$s t $t t ere w$s no 'em$n' e5.resse' t rou" /POs &rom t e e$lt centres, me$nw !le .eo.le $re 'y!n" o& m$l$r!$. #e "$%e you money to buy 'ru"s $n' we "$%e you money to buy truc*s. How come t e M!n!stry o& He$lt c$me b$c* &or t e $ss!st$nce o& P$rl!$ment to see ow to wee' t e su..ly c $!n &or 'ru" 'el!%ery> So, t e .roblem we $%e !s b!""er t $n w $t t e m!n!ster !s try!n" to sol%e. E%en !& you "!%e t e money, !t w!ll ne%er sort out t e .roblem. 32

T e $..ro$c &or m$n$"ement o& t !s money !s $ .ro9ect $..ro$c . In m!n!str!es now, t ere !s "re$t mot!%$t!on &or '!s.ens!n" ser%!ces t rou" $ .ro9ect $..ro$c . T ere !s $ re$son &or t $t, t ere !s mot!%$t!on &or t $t. It !s bec$use .ro9ects $re usu$lly &un'e' by 'onor money $n' w!t !n t e .ro9ect, t ere !s $n en $nce' s$l$ry &or t e $'m!n!str$tors o& t $t .ro9ect. You $%e $''!t!on$l b!" c$rs, $''!t!on$l $llow$nces $n' $''!t!on$l bene&!ts. T !s !s t e mot!%$t!on &or t !s. Anybo'y c$n wr!te t !s .ro9ect .ro.os$l $n' .ut !n s.!cy t !n"s H m$tern$l mort$l!ty, bu!l' more os.!t$ls $n' re&urb!s t !s (%au&hter . Anybo'y wort some l!ttle s$lt c$n wr!te t $t. T e mot!%$t!on !s b$s!c$lly to be $ble to bee& u. t e bene&!ts o& t e .eo.le w o $re !n%ol%e'. THE SPEAKER: C$n you .le$se w!n' u.> MR O-UMAN: Yes. Usu$lly, t e .erson w o 'es!"ns t e .ro9ect !s $ .erson w!t !n t e m!n!stry+ e!t er $ '!rector or $ comm!ss!oner. # en t e .ro9ect !s $..ro%e', !t !s t $t s$me .erson w o "oes on to become t e .ro9ect m$n$"er. So, you c$n see t e con&l!ct t $t t ere !s !n m!n!str!es. Our recommen'$t!on, &rom my .ers.ect!%e, !s t $t you &!rst nee' to 'e$l w!t t ree t !n"s? T e &!rst one !s t $t you must .$y t e e$lt wor*ers $n $'e=u$te w$"e. Hon. M!n!ster o& St$te &or He$lt , you $%e been to e$lt centres $n' we $%e re$' re.orts. You $%e &oun' t $t t ere $re no 'ru"s $n' w en you =u!C t em $n' o.en t e stores, t ere $re some 'ru"s !n t e stores t $t $re be!n" o$r'e'. # y> # $t !s t e mot!%$t!on> *()nter1e!tion ( I $m w!n'!n" u.. # $t !s t e mot!%$t!on &or t $t> You w!ll nee' $ mec $n!sm to 'e$l w!t t $t $n' !n our %!ew you w!ll nee' to mot!%$te t e e$lt wor*ers. Secon'ly *()nter1e!tion ( we $re "!%!n" you solut!ons. You nee' to wee' out t e su..ly c $!n system 8 ow t !n"s l!*e t e 'ru"s, t e su..ly o& obstetr!c m$ter!$ls $n' $ll t $t, come &rom t e e$'=u$rters, to t e %!ll$"es, $n' to t e e$lt centres. I& you 'o not 'o t $t, t en you w!ll $%e m!sse' !t. For now, t e Pres!'ent $s "ot concerne' $n' e $s est$bl!s e' !s own un!t !n !s o&&!ce to try $n' e5ten' !s sur%e!ll$nce bec$use your system $s &$!le'. # y !s t e Pres!'ent 'o!n" t $t> I& t e system !n t e M!n!stry o& He$lt w$s 'o!n" well, w y woul' e be 'o!n" t $t> You nee' to resol%e t $t bottlenec*. T !r'ly, you nee' to recons!'er t e .ro9ect $..ro$c to 'el!%er!n" e$lt c$re $n' ot er ser%!ces !n your m!n!stry. T ere $re too m$ny .ro9ects. I& you %!s!t m!n!str!es !n 1o%ernment, M!n!stry o& He$lt .rem!ses $s t e b!""est number $n' s!Ce o& c$rs .$r*e' !n t e!r y$r'. # $t $re $ll t ose &or> T ey $re $ll $bout .ro9ects w !c $re brou" t ere !n t !s &orm. M$!nstre$m e$lt c$re ser%!ce 'el!%ery !nto t e m$!nstre$m m!n!stry $n' remo%e t !s mot!%$t!on w !c you $re "!%!n" your .eo.le w o wor* $s comm!ss!oners, '!rectors $n' so on. M!n!stry st$&& $re t e s$me .eo.le w o $re .ro9ect !m.lementers. So, unless you mo%e t e mot!%$t!on w !c m!" t be *()nterruption THE MINISTER O STATE OR HEA!TH %#ENERA! -UTIES+ %-r R)4/ard Ndu/ura+: T $n* you, Mr S.e$*er, $n' I t $n* you, colle$"ue, &or "!%!n" w$y. I r!se to "!%e !n&orm$t!on. T e M!n!ster o& F!n$nce !n er br!e& to P$rl!$ment s$!' t e .ro9ect w!ll be !m.lemente' un'er t e newly cre$te' &r$mewor* &or t e m$n$"ement o& t e 'onor .ro9ect, t e lon"8term !nst!tut!on$l $rr$n"ement. T ese $re $rr$n"ements w!t !n t e "o%ernment system. So, !t !s not "o!n" to be !m.lemente' un'er t e .ro9ect mo'e+ !t !s %ery cle$r ere. MR O-UMAN: Mr S.e$*er, t e t!tle o& t e re.ort $n' t e br!e& to P$rl!$ment .resente' by t e m!n!ster !s on t e .ro.os$l to borrow so muc money &rom t e #orl' -$n* &or &!n$nc!n" t e e$lt systems stren"t en!n" .ro9ect. T e 'el!%ery !s !n .ro9ect mo'e. It m!" t !nclu'e com.onents o& bu!l'!n" c$.$c!t!es o& t e m$!nstre$m !nst!tut!on, but t e com.onents ere $re "o!n" to be !m.lemente' !n $ .ro9ect $..ro$c w!t $ .ro9ect !m.lement$t!on un!t. Nobo'y !s "o!n" to touc t !s money unless t ey $re &rom t e .ro9ect, 33

$n' $s I s$!', t ose .eo.le $re "o!n" to be &rom t !s m!n!stry+ t ey $re "o!n" to be one $n' t e s$me. T e bene&!t to t em !s en $nce' s$l$r!es, b!" c$rs $n' so on. As I w!n' u., t e solut!on to !m.ro%e' e$lt c$re 'el!%ery !s not borrow!n". #e c$n &!n' t !s money !n our bu'"et. It !s s $me&ul &or us to &$!l to .ro%!'e &or e$lt c$re !n t e .rete5t t $t we nee' to borrow. I woul' r$t er we o..ose t !s lo$n re=uest $n' &!n' S s 2B3 b!ll!on to &!n$nce t !s. T $n* you, Mr S.e$*er. B.24 MS BETRI"E R,AKIMARI %NRM, ,oma0 Re3rese01a1)ve, N1u0*amo+: T $n* you, Mr S.e$*er, &or t !s o..ortun!ty $n' I $lso t $n* t e M!n!ster o& F!n$nce &or br!n"!n" t !s lo$n re=uest &!n$lly. #e $%e been .$ss!n" m$ny lo$n re=uests concern!n" ot er t !n"s w!t out loo*!n" $t t e e$lt o& women $n' c !l'ren !n t !s country. So, M!n!stry o& F!n$nce, t $n* you &or l!sten!n" to our .le$s. I $lso t $n* t e comm!ttee &or t !s "oo' re.ort $n' M!n!stry o& He$lt &or t e!r !n.ut. I $%e $ &ew !ssues to r$!se !n t !s re.ort concern!n" t e com.onents o& t e .ro9ect. # !le I $..rec!$te t $t m$tern$l, newborn $n' &$m!ly .l$nn!n" ser%!ces $%e been $lloc$te' S s 63 m!ll!on, I &eel t $t t !s !s l!ttle com.$re' to w $t $s been "!%en to !m.ro%!n" t e e$lt wor*&orce, 'e%elo.ment, m$n$"ement $n' $lso *()nterruption MA. %RT-+ R,AMIRAMA: T $n* you, Mr S.e$*er, $n' I t $n* t e onour$ble member &or "!%!n" w$y. I c$n see .eo.le m!s!nter.ret!n" t !s lo$n re=uest. About USO <: m!ll!on $s been "!%en &or !n&r$structure. I w$nt to m$*e t !s cl$r!&!c$t!on to Members $n' .le$' t $t you $..ro%e t !s USO <: m!ll!on. I& you loo* $t t !s com.onent o& USO <: m!ll!on, you $re loo*!n" $t re $b!l!t$t!n" !n&r$structure !n Muben'e $n' Moroto re&err$l os.!t$ls, $n' "ener$l os.!t$ls !n N$*$se*e, M!ty$n$, Ito9o, A.$c, )!ry$n'on"o, M$s!n'!, An$*$, Moyo, Nebb!, )$wolo, Entebbe etc. I w$nt to rem!n' Members t $t we $re $lw$ys on t e !" w$y. I $' $n $cc!'ent !n Mb$r$r$ $n' I $lmost '!e' bec$use t ere $re no &$c!l!t!es !n Mb$r$r$. T e /e$'er o& t e O..os!t!on $lmost '!e' !n )!ry$n'on"o bec$use t ere $re no &$c!l!t!es. You c$nnot s$y 1o%ernment !s not .utt!n" &$c!l!t!es !n .l$ce $n' w en we br!n" $ lo$n to .ut u. t ose &$c!l!t!es you s oot t em 'own. /et us be onest. Fun'!n" o& 1o%ernment !s t ree&ol'? One !s e=u!ty &rom !ntern$lly "ener$te' re%enue+ two !s 'on$t!ons+ $n' t e t !r' !s lo$ns. #e $re 'o!n" one o& t em to'$y. Peo.le cont!nuously s$y t $t we $re "!%!n" less money to !n&r$structure. T e m!n!stry c$te"or!c$lly s$!' ere t $t w en $ wom$n !s $%!n" com.l!c$t!ons, 'o you 'e$l w!t er un'er $ tree> /oo* $t $ll t ese os.!t$ls s.re$' $ll o%er t e country, we nee' to !m.ro%e t em. T $n* you, Mr S.e$*er. MS R,AKIMARI: T $n* you, Mr S.e$*er, &or $llow!n" !m to s.e$*, but I 'o not *now w et er t e !n&orm$t!on w$s !nten'e' &or me or $not er .erson. I su..ort t !s lo$n re=uest. For $ lon" t!me I $%e been $'%oc$t!n" &or $ lo$n to !m.ro%e m$tern$l $n' c !l' e$lt !n t !s country. I $' not &!n!s e' my sentence w en t e on. M!n!ster !nter9ecte'+ I w$s st!ll bu!l'!n" my .o!nt $n' e $s*e' to "!%e me !n&orm$t!on. I w$nt to s$y t $t !nste$' o& .ro%!'!n" only USO 63 m!ll!on to t e !m.ro%ement o& m$tern$l, newborn $n' &$m!ly .l$nn!n" ser%!ces we c$n loo* $t com.onent 6 8 !m.ro%e' !n&r$structure o& e5!st!n" e$lt &$c!l!t!es 8 w !c !s USO <: m!ll!on. # en you loo* $t t e ob9ect!%e o& t !s USO <: m!ll!on, em. $s!s w!ll be .l$ce' on .ro%!'!n" m!n!mum =u$l!ty st$n'$r's o& e$lt c$re ser%!ces, es.ec!$lly !n t e $re$s o& m$tern$l $n' c !l' e$lt . S!nce t ey $re $lre$'y ment!on!n" t e $re$s o& m$tern$l $n' c !l' e$lt un'er t !s, I won'er w y t ey t$l* o& USO 63 m!ll!on !n com.onent @+ w y c$n(t t e two com.onents be $rmon!se' s!nce !m.ro%ement 34

o& !n&r$structure !n t e e5!st!n" e$lt &$c!l!t!es w!ll be &or !m.ro%ement o& m$tern$l $n' newborn. For me, !t !s l!*e you $re se.$r$t!n" t ese two !m.ort$nt ser%!ces yet t ey ser%e t e s$me .ur.ose. # en you loo* $t com.onent A 8 !m.ro%e' le$'ers !. m$n$"ement $n' $ccount$b!l!ty &or e$lt ser%!ce 'el!%ery H !t $s USO @3 m!ll!on. I &eel t !s !s on t e !" s!'e cons!'er!n" t $t we nee' more ser%!ces H THE SPEAKER: Hon. Member, your concern !s re$lloc$t!on. You su..ort t e .r!nc!.le o& borrow!n", but I t !n* w $t you nee' !s &or us to re%!se t e &!"ures $s $lloc$te'. MS R,AKIMARI: Mr S.e$*er, bec$use we 'o not $%e t!me to !ntern$l!se t e H THE SPEAKER: T ere&ore, I $m su""est!n" t $t we n$rrow our 'eb$te to t e !ssues. I t !n* t e lo$n re=uest !s su..orte', but t ere $re cert$!n 'et$!ls w !c we $%e to loo* !nto. I 'o not t !n* t ere !s $nybo'y w o woul' s$y outr!" tly t $t t ey $re ob9ect!n". To el. you 8 I t ou" t !t woul' $ttr$ct %ery &ew !ntereste' !n contr!but!ons 8 I $m 9ust .ost.on!n" t e 'eb$te. My worry !s? # en $re we "o!n" to 'e$l w!t CHO1M> T e comm!ttee st$"e &or t e -!ll we $n'le' w!ll $%e !ts secon' re$'!n" tomorrow. T !s one c$nnot be &!n!s e' to'$y. #e $re "o!n" to 'o !t tomorrow. C$n we curt$!l> # $t I c$n s$y !s t $t I $m "o!n" to l!m!t t e 'eb$te on t !s !ssue so t $t you "o $n' com.re en' !t $n' t en n$rrow t e !ssues you r$!se', r$t er t $n r$!s!n" !ssues t $t ou" t not to be r$!se', $n' t $t s oul' not be c ec*e' on. # $t I $%e re$l!se' !s t $t our sess!on$l comm!ttees t !n* t e!r wor* sto.s w en we .$ss t e bu'"et. I $%e $lw$ys been $..e$l!n" to you not to sto. $t t e bu'"et st$"e+ cont!nue mon!tor!n" t e $ct!%!t!es o& your m!n!str!es. T e !ssues w !c you $%e r$!se' coul' be c ec*e' on !& t e rele%$nt comm!ttees were wor*!n" $n' "o!n" to see w $t !s $..en!n". So, .le$se, !n &uture, t e wor* o& sess!on$l comm!ttees s oul' not en' $t bu'"et t!me. You s oul' .l$n $n' %!s!t so t $t we c$n c ec* on m!suse or somet !n" else, w !c !s be!n" r$!se' now. I $m clos!n" t !s 'eb$te, but I $m not .utt!n" t e =uest!on. I $m 9ust "!%!n" you t!me to "o $n' summ$r!se so t $t tomorrow I $llow $bout s!5 or e!" t contr!but!ons. It woul' be un&$!r &or me to .ut t e =uest!on w en only two contr!but!ons $%e come. At t !s 9uncture, I $m clos!n" t e 'eb$te, but we s $ll cont!nue w!t !t tomorrow. I w!ll "!%e only $n our &or t !s sub9ect $n' I *now t e comm!ttee st$"e w!ll $lso t$*e one our so t $t we c$n emb$r* on t e CHO1M re.ort+ ot erw!se, I see un&$!rness com!n" !n. MRS O#,A!: T $n* you, Mr S.e$*er. I woul' lo%e to be "u!'e' on ow we c$n .l$n our t!me bec$use T urs'$y we un'erst$n' !s t e nom!n$t!on '$y &or /C E counc!llors $n' t ere !s H THE SPEAKER: None o& us !s $ c$n'!'$te &or /C E. MRS O#,A!: Mr S.e$*er, we $' enou" e5.er!ence !n town w en t e .res!'ents were be!n" nom!n$te' $n' I bel!e%e t $t T urs'$y $n' Fr!'$y $re "o!n" to be %ery con"este' '$ys. I $m won'er!n" w et er you c$n "!%e t!me &or t ose o& us w o $re "o!n" to su..ort our members !n )$m.$l$ $n' outs!'e w o w!ll be nom!n$te' &rom T urs'$y onw$r's. I $m 9ust try!n" to see* "u!'$nce &rom you. THE SPEAKER: O*$y. MRS O#,A!: T $n* you. THE SPEAKER: # $t I su""est !s t !s, let us 'ec!'e ow muc t!me we $re "o!n" to "!%e to t e cont!nu!n" 'eb$te on t !s sub9ect. Is !t 63 m!nutes or $n our> It !s not &!n!s e'. T ere $re m$ny .eo.le 35

w o $re !ntereste' !n m$*!n" t e!r contr!but!ons. At le$st tomorrow we c$n t$*e $bout s!5 contr!but!ons $n' t en we .ut t e =uest!on. MR KAKOO8A: Mr S.e$*er, I !ns!st bec$use we $%e been ne"ot!$t!n" &or t !s lo$n &or t e l$st two $n' $ $l& ye$rs $n' !t !s e5.!r!n" on t e @2t o& t !s mont 8; )nter1e!tions08 $n' t ere !s $ .rocess 8 THE SPEAKER: #e $re "o!n" to 'e$l w!t !t. MR KAKOO8A: T ere !s $ .rocess o& "o!n" to t e Sol!c!tor81ener$l, m$*!n" memor$n'ums o& un'erst$n'!n". To'$y !s 2n' $n' w en you loo* $t t e rem$!n!n" '$ys H THE SPEAKER: Hon. M!n!ster, we $re "o!n" to 'e$l w!t t !s lo$n tomorrow. M$ybe to $ssure you t $t t !s !s "o!n" to be so, we s $ll st$rt w!t t !s be&ore we .rocee' to t e comm!ttee st$"e. #e s $ll not t$*e more t $n $n our on t !s sub9ect t en we s $ll close !t. Ple$se "o $n' n$rrow 'own t e !ssues we r$!se'. Some o& t e !ssues w !c I $%e e$r' nee' not be r$!se' w en we $re cons!'er!n" w et er to borrow or not to borrow. So, tomorrow we s $ll t$*e not more t $n $n our to '!s.ose o& t !s sub9ect $n' t en we cont!nue w!t t e CHO1M re.ort. #!t t !s we $%e come to t e en' o& to'$y(s bus!ness. House $'9ourne' to tomorrow, 2.63 ..m. .rom.t. I woul' l!*e to $s* t e /e$'er o& 1o%ernment -us!ness t $t e%en !& you $%e $ C$b!net meet!n" tomorrow, .le$se be ere by 2.63 ..m. House $'9ourne'. (The House rose at 9.:; p.m. and ad1ourned until <ednesda-, 3 =o#em"er ;>1> at ;.3> p.m.

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