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mistakemaker
Posted Nov 22, 2006 @ 4:16 pm
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- packingEmail Hey Guys. I am sure that many people here know that I used be a
criminal when I was in my late teens and lived the life of a real loser.
Anyways, in my experience I learned a few things and can now view
protecting my house from the point of view of the home owner and they
intruder.
I locked my keys in my car the other day. At the same time I locked
myself out of my house. Whenever I leave my house I only lock one lock.
I took my insurance card out of my wallet and was in my house in less
than 30 seconds. It made me think of a few things and I inspected my
house and viewed it from the criminal perspective and realized how easy
I could have my house invaded.
Here a a few key points that I hope can help you guys:
1. Door locks are designed (for the most part) so the door can close my
the lock is in the locked position. To be able to do this the lock bar is cut
on an angle and has a spring behind it. It is very easy to take an object
like a credit card and slide in inside the door frame, pull it back towards
you and open the door. Newer doors are offset to try to stop this but I
have a brand new door and was able to get in with something thinner than
a credit card.
2. Old windows are not designed for safety and can be opened from the
outside using a thin card.
3.I was in the house and into my room in a total of about 45 seconds.
think how long it would take you to hear a noise, gather yourself, get
your gun and get in an offensive/defensive position. Do you have kids?
Could an intruder be into their room in 45 seconds? Can you defend your
room and your kids room from your room?
Things I would avoid if I were looking for a house to rob:
1. dogs
2. burglar alarm sign
3. more than one grown man living there
4. new windows
5. well lit outside
6. lights on inside all night.
Believe or not a gun does not always deter a thief, it actually is one the
the easiest things to sell that you can steal.
If you guys already know this than good. If not, I hope I helped in some
way.
Thank you.
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supertac45
Posted Nov 22, 2006 @ 4:52 pm
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- packingEmail Lights on outside help the bad guy move around easily since you or
nobody else is probably watching. Lights on inside are the same. If you
don't believe it, turn a bunch of lights on inside when it's dark, and have
someone move around inside while your outside. To an experienced eye,
it's very clear if anybody is up and moving inside. Even with heavy
drapes, shadows from the lights show to the person outside. I've been in a
house where the owner, (my step son-in-law), explained how great his
alarm system was, and to please not open the back deck door during the
night because the alarm would go off and the police notified. During the
night, the wind picked up, a big limb came down and busted out most of
the glass in the sliding deck door. No alarm. (Yes, I heard it, he didn't,
and checked it out with a 1911). I do agree with the dog since they beat
any alarm made. I know the dog doesn't call the police, but I haven't
heard of any record response times by either the alarm company or the
Police. With someone in your house, and everyone asleep, I can't see
where having 3 males sleeping have any more deterrance over 1 sleeping.
Your all at the mercy of the bad guy since he won't be making much
noise moving around the house with the lights on. I work in corrections,
and the bad guy worries about any dog and a armed home owner.
Nothing else.
Supertac45
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mistakemaker
Posted Nov 22, 2006 @ 5:57 pm
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Lights on outside help the bad guy move around easily since you or
nobody else is probably watching. Lights on inside are the same. If you
don't believe it, turn a bunch of lights on inside when it's dark, and have
someone move around inside while your outside. To an experienced eye,
it's very clear if anybody is up and moving inside. Even with heavy
drapes, shadows from the lights show to the person outside. I've been in a
house where the owner, (my step son-in-law), explained how great his
alarm system was, and to please not open the back deck door during the
night because the alarm would go off and the police notified. During the
night, the wind picked up, a big limb came down and busted out most of
the glass in the sliding deck door. No alarm. (Yes, I heard it, he didn't,
and checked it out with a 1911). I do agree with the dog since they beat
any alarm made. I know the dog doesn't call the police, but I haven't
heard of any record response times by either the alarm company or the
Police. With someone in your house, and everyone asleep, I can't see
where having 3 males sleeping have any more deterrance over 1 sleeping.
Your all at the mercy of the bad guy since he won't be making much
noise moving around the house with the lights on. I work in corrections,
and the bad guy worries about any dog and a armed home owner.
Nothing else.
Supertac45
MCRGO
No offense but I broke into houses and have been charged with it. I know
what I was thinking when I was doing along with the guidlines set by the
people who taught me how to get in.
You never commit a crime under a light. Like breaking into house in the
light. I would feel like I was under a spot light. You never break into a
house with men, this is just common sense. That is why elderly people
and women are often targeted. I would rather tussle with one guy than a
guy and his two teenage sons. Working in corrections doesn't mean much.
I have done time and never sat and discussed my crime with a C/O. Yes, I
would worry about a home onwer who was armed but many houses are
targeted because of the guns inside. We would wait until the homeonwer
was not home but many criminals are suprised by homeowners that they
thought were not home.
Listen, go outside your house and think how you would want to get in
undetected. You would not try to get in under the light. Also the light
inside: The reason I avoided these houses is because people on the ouside
can see me inside. It had nothing to do with me thinking the owner was
home or awake. You are not thinking like a criminal, you are thinking
like a c/o who thinks he knows how to think like a criminal. You can only
truly think like a criminal when you are commting a crime and your A$$
is on the line.
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gakimba
Posted Nov 22, 2006 @ 6:07 pm
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- packingEmail I've written this before (and will probably do it again)...
My answer to this problem is to employ motion detectors. I have the full

perimeter of my house encircled with motion detectors that alert inside
the house.
I used to be the kind of guy that would spring up in the middle of the
night when I heard any sound that might have been an intruder...no
longer. The motion detectors work so well that I sleep MUCH better at
night, with full confidence of getting a head-start notice if anyone is
sneaking around outside.
I highly recommend them to anyone interested in gaining an edge over

would-be intruders.
It's the best $200 I ever spent.

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saxd9
Posted Nov 22, 2006 @ 6:57 pm
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Send mail: Mistakemaker,
- packingEmail Thanks for the tips. You should try to make a business out of educating
people like that. God bless you, dude.
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mistakemaker
Posted Nov 22, 2006 @ 7:41 pm
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Thanks for the tips. You should try to make a business out of educating
people like that. God bless you, dude.
Thank you. Have to repay society back anyway I can.

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mistakemaker
Posted Nov 22, 2006 @ 7:53 pm
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Send mail: RE: My cure...
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I've written this before (and will probably do it again)...
My answer to this problem is to employ motion detectors. I have the full

perimeter of my house encircled with motion detectors that alert inside
the house.
I used to be the kind of guy that would spring up in the middle of the
night when I heard any sound that might have been an intruder...no
longer. The motion detectors work so well that I sleep MUCH better at
night, with full confidence of getting a head-start notice if anyone is
sneaking around outside.
I highly recommend them to anyone interested in gaining an edge over

would-be intruders.
It's the best $200 I ever spent.
Very good thing to do. Not only can it alarm you to an intruders presence,
noone wants to be in the light while commiting a crime.
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mik_45acp
Posted Nov 22, 2006 @ 7:55 pm
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i myself have worked as an leo,c/o,and i used to install,and service alarm
systems.and i can tell you that
alarms,and motion detectors can be disabled,and rendered
useless.i used to own a house in a pretty decent area,and
had some crackheads move into a rental around the corner.
in the three to four months that they lived there.my house
got burglarized three times.the culprits never got away with
anything.there drug addiction took away from commen sense,and there
better judgement. all three break ins we were home.sleeping once,and
sitting in the living room
watching t.v. the other two times.the first time i was unarmed.the other
two times i made sure i was armed with a good .45.then last may i was
renting a farmhouse in bfe,and had 5 firearms stolen when we were not
home.just goes to show that sometimes the best precautions aren't
enough.
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supertac45
Posted Nov 22, 2006 @ 8:00 pm
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work, whatever they might be. I do know under what conditions most
criminals are caught, and it comes from official police reports. To hear
the average convict tell it, they all have a PhD. Motion detectors are good
if they are the better ones, and placed in the right places. Dogs are great.
Supertac45
MCRGO
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TennGauge
Posted Nov 22, 2006 @ 8:15 pm
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In the 1970’s, Johnny Carson had a guest on his show that was a
professional burglar and had spent time in San Quentin prison after being
arrested and sentenced. Johnny asked him what was the number one
deterrence to a professional burglar and the man immediately replied “a
dog”. I’ll never forget his lightning response.
Like gakimba, my wife and I sleep very well at night with two K-9’s at
the foot of our bed.
Good points above and a sober reminder to all of us that there are people
lurking around our communities that don’t think twice about burglarizing
our homes.

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RJP
Posted Nov 22, 2006 @ 9:31 pm
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- packingEmail the alarm systems installed around here are a joke. We have one local
company that has 80+ percent of the residential market(ADT, other
nationals have the rest). They do all their installs the same way on
crawlspace houses, and they can be defeated in less than 30 seconds by
any standard garden-variety crook.
I will not tell on the Internet how it's done in this case, but look carefully
at your "professionally installed" alarm systems, and see if you can figure
out a way to defeat the whole system without even going into the house.
It took me maybe an hour to make mine bombproof.

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mistakemaker
Posted Nov 22, 2006 @ 9:56 pm
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- packingEmail I am not coming off like I have a phd. I am saying that I have broken into
a house which trumps your experience as c/o when it comes to figuring
out how someone thinks when it comes to breaking into houses. I never
got convicted of a B/E, I was arrested for it though.
I was locked up on drug charges. None of this I am proud of and honestly

admire the life and career you chose.
That being said. I worked with police, the DA, and the local detectives.
They are not as smart as they think. LEO's come off like the criminal is
stupid. Think about this, I have commited over 1000 felonies and have 3
convictions. 1000 may sound like BS but think if I made 10 drug sales a
day for 4 years. That is over 1000 felonies.
Anyway, Lets not get into any sort of pissing match. I can only tell you
my and my fellow criminals mindframe while commiting those crimes.
When it comes to crackheads and other lower life forms, their really is no
way to stop them except a dog.
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gakimba
Posted Nov 22, 2006 @ 10:12 pm
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I tried to write back to your e-mail, but I got an error. Let me know if it
came through.
I also tried to respond to this forum with a better explanation of things,

but I keep getting blocked from its security module. Huh? Don't know
what that's about...
Take care.
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TEXAS SIX
GUN Posted Nov 23, 2006 @ 12:20 am
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Send mail: yes dogs do well so does guns
- packingEmail ill tell ya from experience to keep em from trying your windows plant
cactus and thorny bushes(cat-claw work well)
also around same windows gravel amazingly you can hear it very well
inside sleeping and be alerted, beats any alarm that is not activated till
doors or windows are compromised it gives plenty of time to arm
yourself and be waiting to defend. dogs are great too but sometimes they
ignore simple subtleties and are themselves startled at times(they get used
to kids walking around and husbands coming inn late from work) lights
off is best cause when you sneak up on an intruder you flip the switch and
instant light amazingly just like a deer in headlights it momentarily blinds
long enough to shoot the S O B giving you that extra edge keeping you
safe later dudes
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herbstnebel2ss
Posted Nov 23, 2006 @ 9:40 am
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Send mail: Cheap but effective techniques................
- internet For sliding windows, a section of dowel to prevent the window from
- packingEmail sliding works well. On doors, the old deadbolt lock with at least a 1"
throw is all but infallible. Make sure it's the type that needs a key from
both sides.
The old casement type windows work well too. They have to be broken
open before the thief can reach inside and lift up the handle.
If it weren't for guns, we'd be British......

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Neospy
Posted Nov 23, 2006 @ 11:33 am
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- packingEmail I agree with having K-9's.
However, if they are not formidable security dogs, then BG's will not be
stopped. You'd be surprised at the reaction of most peoples familiy pet
when confronted by an intruder. Also, If the intruder is absolutely hell
bent on gettining in, then a couple steaks with antifreeze on them will
remove any non-trained K-9 threat.
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amlevin
Posted Nov 23, 2006 @ 2:09 pm
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Hey Guys. I am -------- a real loser.
a credit card.
You must be talking about "newer locks" from the 40's and 50's. Today's
locks have a "dead-lock" feature that prevents the latch from being
pushed back by a credit card (or your insurance card) when the door is
closed and the latch bolt is in the strike-plate. Of course if you live in an
old house where the door is loose in the jamb by about a half inch or so,
then this feature won't work. But a good 1" throw dead bolt will.
You are welcome to try it in my house. So far the score here, over the last
20 years, is one went to the hospital for 3 weeks and the other is still
doing time.

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mistakemaker
Posted Nov 24, 2006 @ 4:32 am
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RE: RE: Advice From an Ex Criminal
amlevin wrote:
mistakemaker wrote:
a credit card.
doing time.
I would not try it on anyones house. I don't know what you think you
gained by edited my post to make it say that I am a loser. Your wrong
about the locks. I have a new door and locks. My house was rehabbed
before I bought it. You don't know as much as you think you do old man.
Old guys like you crack me up. So stuck in your ways, have not learned
anything in years and put their family in jeopardy through their own
ignorance. Let me guess, both of those guys tried to break in your house
but you being John Wayne, woke, grabbed your gun and suprised the
intruder? You sir, are the loser.
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Wyoshooter
Posted Nov 24, 2006 @ 1:45 pm
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Send mail: I have no burglar alarm,
- packingEmail that is connected to any alarm company or PD.
I do have sensor lights at every entrance to my house. All door entrances
to my house are higher than ground level. In other words you have to
climb stairs to get in. All locks on my doors are deadbolts. I have a sensor
light in my house that will be activated from any of the inside entrances
into my home. It is true, none of this stuff will prevent a window from
being broken to gain entry.
I also have a dog. Just a noise maker. He's a miniature-pinscher and has
one heck of an attitude.
My bedroom is the first one up the stairs and my kids rooms are in the
back. The only access to their rooms from outside are the bedroom
windows and they are 12 feet off the ground so the bad guy has to go
through me to get to my kids. If I hear a noise in the night my .45 is in my
hand in two seconds.
If a bad guy wants to case my place in the day I have plenty of pro-gun
and military bumper stickers on my vehicles and front door to my home.
My 30' flag pole out front flies of course the U.S. flag and below that
various military type flags depending on what kind of mood I'm in. That
is the first thing you see coming up to my house and I'm hoping this let's
the bad guy know that this is one Vet he don't want to tangle with.
If entrance is gained into my home when nobody is there, they can take
the TV and stereo. Those items can be replaced. In my opinion they are
non-valuable items.
I keep all my valuable items, important documents, jewelry and firearms
in large gun safes.
If I could, I would bar all my doors and windows. What keeps me from
doing that is a quick escape if there is a fire.
I know if someone was to break into my home they would be very
disappointed because there is not much in my house they could take that
is worth a lot of money. They wouldn't be gaining much and hope that
would deter them from trying it again. That is how I like it.
"RKBA....ALL THINGS CONSIDERED"

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amlevin
Posted Nov 24, 2006 @ 8:59 pm
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amlevin wrote:
mistakemaker wrote:
a credit card.
doing time.
I would not try it on anyones house. I don't know what you think you
gained by edited my post to make it say that I am a loser. Your wrong
about the locks. I have a new door and locks. My house was rehabbed
before I bought it. You don't know as much as you think you do old man.
Old guys like you crack me up. So stuck in your ways, have not learned
anything in years and put their family in jeopardy through their own
ignorance. Let me guess, both of those guys tried to break in your house
but you being John Wayne, woke, grabbed your gun and surprised the
intruder? You sir, are the loser.
Perhaps you might take some time and learn from those older than you.
Anyone, not just me. If you had, maybe you could have avoided your jail
experience.
I happen to have far more experience with locks than you. I have installed
hundreds, opened Safe Deposit Boxes and Safes can speak well for how a
lock works. If you are able to "shim" or "wire" a latch, it was not installed
correctly.
When you refer to "losers" just remember who got caught and did the
time.
"Learn history or be doomed to repeat it!"
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Posted Nov 25, 2006 @ 1:37 pm EST

RE: alarms
RJP wrote:
the alarm systems installed around here are a joke. We have one local company that has
80+ percent of the residential market(ADT, other nationals have the rest). They do all
their installs the same way on crawlspace houses, and they can be defeated in less than 30
seconds by any standard garden-variety crook.
I will not tell on the Internet how it's done in this case, but look carefully at your
"professionally installed" alarm systems, and see if you can figure out a way to defeat the
whole system without even going into the house.
It took me maybe an hour to make mine bombproof.
To my fellow PDO'ers...
As a security specialist, the above mentioned note about the security system is correct.
The answer is "Defense in Depth". (For sake of not making this post too long, google the
term)
It boils down to how much money you are willing to spend, how probable the
exploitation of your vulnerabilities are, and do you have something or are something that
is very valuable and above average. (i.e., business owner, movie star, etc, etc.)
What do I do personally, you ask?

1) Own a dog;
2) Have a security system with redundant means of communications (which I did myself,
not the local tech)
3) Motion sensing lights outside the house
4) Surveillance cams for insurance purposes
5) Bolted safe in basement.
6) ...and ofcourse, strategically available firepower covering certain scenarios.
I can afford all of the above, so this solution is viable for me. My valuables are my
family, and some material items which I keep in my safe.
More effective than the counter-measures I pointed out above, is to have a plan. More
importantly, is to take the time to plan out possibilities and scenarios you deem likely and
what you can do to help mitigate those risks. This will help you raise your security
posture and awareness...and this first step is not costly and will help you tremendously.
Be safe!
Dwight D. Eisenhower (1890-1969) once said about preparing for battle:

"...plans are useless, but planning is indispensable."
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mistakemaker
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amlevin wrote:
mistakemaker wrote:
amlevin wrote:
mistakemaker wrote:
1. Door locks are designed (for the most part) so the door can close my the lock is in the
locked position. To be able to do this the lock bar is cut on an angle and has a spring
behind it. It is very easy to take an object like a credit card and slide in inside the door
frame, pull it back towards you and open the door. Newer doors are offset to try to stop
this but I have a brand new door and was able to get in with something thinner than a
credit card.
You must be talking about "newer locks" from the 40's and 50's. Today's locks have a
"dead-lock" feature that prevents the latch from being pushed back by a credit card (or
your insurance card) when the door is closed and the latch bolt is in the strike-plate. Of
course if you live in an old house where the door is loose in the jamb by about a half inch
or so, then this feature won't work. But a good 1" throw dead bolt will.
2. Old windows are not designed for safety and can be opened from the outside using a
thin card.
3.I was in the house and into my room in a total of about 45 seconds. think how long it
would take you to hear a noise, gather yourself, get your gun and get in an
offensive/defensive position. Do you have kids? Could an intruder be into their room in
45 seconds? Can you defend your room and your kids room from your room?
You are welcome to try it in my house. So far the score here, over the last 20 years, is one
went to the hospital for 3 weeks and the other is still doing time.
I would not try it on anyones house. I don't know what you think you gained by edited
my post to make it say that I am a loser. Your wrong about the locks. I have a new door
and locks. My house was rehabbed before I bought it. You don't know as much as you
think you do old man. Old guys like you crack me up. So stuck in your ways, have not
learned anything in years and put their family in jeopardy through their own ignorance.
Let me guess, both of those guys tried to break in your house but you being John Wayne,
woke, grabbed your gun and surprised the intruder? You sir, are the loser.
Perhaps you might take some time and learn from those older than you. Anyone, not just
me. If you had, maybe you could have avoided your jail experience.
I happen to have far more experience with locks than you. I have installed hundreds,
opened Safe Deposit Boxes and Safes can speak well for how a lock works. If you are
able to "shim" or "wire" a latch, it was not installed correctly.
When you refer to "losers" just remember who got caught and did the time.
"Learn history or be doomed to repeat it!"
I got caught and did time but that does not make me a loser. I WAS a loser. Now I have a
job where I sit at a computer and I will be a mechanical engineer soon. How can you can
you compare lock experience when my experience is getting into peoples houses and
your is well something else. You started in one me by editing my post to say I was a loser
and by challenging me to come to your house and try to break in. I never said anything
that deserved that.
I ended up living that life through have a shitty family situation. Every boy needs a father
to teach him him how to be a man. My father had a negative affect on me. I made my
own decisions still and accept responsibility.
You underestimate criminals. I have worked with criminals and LEOs and can tell you
cops I worked with where not that smart. I took them in under cover busts and they damn
near blew it by losing their cool or would argue with me on the amount of drugs to buy.
Me being the dumb criminal had to explain the the officer that we needed to buy 2 ounces
of marijuana from the dealer and he argued that we did not need to buy that much. We
did need to though to make it over 50 grams and a felony. We ended up doing it my way
Also, getting caught means nothing. A guy tells on you, or turns on you to get a deal. For
every crime a inmate is locked up for there are 100's he did not get caught for. It is a
matter of odds.
I am a mechanical draftsman and use Pro-E wildfire. Look that up on monster.com and
you'll see it pays over $30 an hour. I went to school for it and paid with cash I worked
for. There is no way you or anyone else can ever call me a loser.
I went from jail to a homeowner making good money. How many people can say they
overcame challenges like that?
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Things I would avoid if I were looking for a house to rob:

My answer to this problem is to employ motion detectors. I have the full

I highly recommend them to anyone interested in gaining an edge over

It's the best $200 I ever spent.

Thank you. Have to repay society back anyway I can.

My answer to this problem is to employ motion detectors. I have the full

I highly recommend them to anyone interested in gaining an edge over

It's the best $200 I ever spent.

Current score: 3.11717

It took me maybe an hour to make mine bombproof.

I was locked up on drug charges. None of this I am proud of and honestly

I also tried to respond to this forum with a better explanation of things,

If it weren't for guns, we'd be British......

Current score: 3.21376

"RKBA....ALL THINGS CONSIDERED"

Posted Nov 25, 2006 @ 1:37 pm EST

It took me maybe an hour to make mine bombproof.

What do I do personally, you ask?

Dwight D. Eisenhower (1890-1969) once said about preparing for battle:

Posted Nov 28, 2006 @ 12:35 pm EST

"Learn history or be doomed to repeat it!"

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