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Title: Marauder Tuning Secret. Post by: ShadowShot on September 01, 2009, 02:35:08 PM

Its all in the velocity screw.

I am now having greater accuracy results with the MDR and CPHP 14.3. Its long to explain but start by setting the hammer throw all the way back. Set the preload all the way in and the velocity screw all the way out. This has the gun at max power. Now you want to bring the velocity down for your CPHP to around the mid 800 range, this seems to be where you get the best accuracy for this pellet. What I did at this point was turn the velocity all the way in and started backing it out at 1/2 turn at a time and shoot one shot at 2500 psi fill. I keep filling it, backing it out and shooting untill I got into the zone I wanted, Low to Mid 800's.

Now I have to make the adjustment to the preload so I am not wasting air and keeping accurate. Start turning the preload back out .5 turn at a time from fully in and shoot a 10shot string starting at 2500Psi. You will find you are dumping alot of air and the velocity spread is not bad but drops the psi fast in 10 shots. You will dump about 200 psi Out of the MDR the fist 5 shots. The next 5 will drop you about 300 psi in the MDR.

I kept adjusting the preload out until I got to 1.5 out and the velocity screw was still set at 2.5 out. That gave me good power, accuracy and not much wast of air. I only had 1 flier in a 20 shot string.

I posted this in the Marauder Owners forum and then copy past it here below.

Quote Thanks so much again for your info. Armed with your settings, I went out and gave it another go with the CPHP 14.3. Drastic improvement. My best accuracy, but not best power curve. I only got about 10 shots between the 845 to 850 range. The next 5 shots were between 839 and 827. The last 5 shots were between 823 and 818. This was all done with the following settings. Throw -max 100% back. Preload - back out 1.5 turns from being fully turned in. Velocity -2.5 out from fully closed. The velocity screw was the secret. At 20 yards, I shot a dime size group or smaller with one flier I started at 2500 psi 1. 851.7 2. 848.5 flier=1.5 low and about same to the right 3. 850.6 4. 846.3 5. error 2400psi end 2400 PSI 6. 852.7 7. 848.9 8. 851.0 9. 845.6 10. 844.8 2300 psi end 2300 PSI 11. 838.8 12. 837.0 13. 835.8 14. 829.9 15. 826.5 2100 Psi end 2100 Psi 16. 832.4 17. 820.1 18. 819.5 19. 817.5 20. 813.5 2050 PSI at end.

Now please note that this is probably not the best it will get. I ran out of light before completing adjustments and testing. I should get this to where I have a much longer shot string and closer FPS spread in that string.

Title: RE: Marauder Tuning Secret. Post by: daveshoot on September 01, 2009, 03:31:39 PM Thanks for the research and the update. A lot of us will find it valuable. My Marauder is temporarily off line but that will change soon.

Title: RE: Marauder Tuning Secret. Post by: Leadhead on September 01, 2009, 03:49:12 PM Thanks for sharing, Paul. I shipped my Marauder back to Crosman today for some repair work, but when it comes back I'm gonna try your tuning approach.

Title: RE: Marauder Tuning Secret. Post by: Bogey on September 02, 2009, 12:03:32 PM Thanks for the instructions regarding the Marauder tuning. I don't have a Marauder yet but I will soon and I took the time to print off your instructions for future reference. I know nothing about the Marauder and info like this should be helpful inorder to get the most from the rifle.

Title: Re: Marauder Tuning Secret. Post by: ShadowShot on September 02, 2009, 03:11:29 PM

Now as you can see from the post, I was saying THANK YOU to a member (unirdna) on another forum, (marauderairrifle.com). This is mostly all based off of his work, so creds go to him. It was he who keyed me into the velocity screw, which is where I was going next. It was the next only logical adjustment to me that made sense. Now, this may not be The Best way to do it but it worked for me. Anyone having problems with the cp 14.3 in .22cal. this could be your answer if you are going to continue trying

to use them. They do not like to fly much over 850fps, You start getting a lot of flyers. My goal is to get a good 20 to 30 shot string in the 820 to 850 range. (CALL ME A DREAMER) Best of luck with your adjustment.

Title: UPDATE: Marauder Tuning Secret. Post by: ShadowShot on September 03, 2009, 11:42:32 AM

Tune Update. First, my settings. Hammer Throw: 1/2 turn in from max out setting. Spring Preload: 2.5 turns out from max in position. Velocity Screw: dead between 2.25 and 2.5 turns out from completely closed in setting. Outside temp around 85 deg. Shooting CPhp 14.3Gn .22cal. Shot string starts at the 2500Psi fill. 2500 Psi 01. 818.9 02. 822.9 03. 822.1 04. 826.2 05. 819.6 2425 Psi 06. 824.0 07. 813.2 08. 825.3 09. 831.2 10. 821.6 2400 Psi 11. 828.7 12. 827.5 13. 828.9 14. 822.9 15. 821.4 2250 Psi 16. 833.3 17. 829.4 18. 826.1 19. 820.2

20. 818.2 2200 Psi 21. 819.1 22. err 23. 817.4 24. 815.2 25. 814.0 2175 Psi 26. 813.7 27. 813.1 28. 811.3 29. 804.8 30. 804.7 2100 END Psi

Two pictures below. First one is a 30 shot group, 2 fliers. Take out the fliers and all would have hit a dime. Second is a 20 shout group , all inside a dime. Range: 23 Yards

Title: Re: Marauder Tuning Secret. Post by: Gene_SC on September 03, 2009, 02:04:34 PM Congratulations Paul, you have finally tamed your baby and all your hard work has paid off my friend. I am very happy for you buddy.

Title: RE: Marauder Tuning Secret. Post by: Timmyj1959@yahoo.com on September 03, 2009, 02:27:40 PM Thanks for sharing Paul!!:D Glad Ya got her shooting dem lil light pells again!!:p Personally,,, I like dem big ole heavy Kodiaks @ 35 ft. lbs.,,,, I like em going into the same hole too!! Sorry about bustin Yer paintballs @ 40 yrds last weekend Buddy,, also,, Im sorry for putting holes in "Papa Bears" cow bells @ 50 yrds.:o LOL!! Just funnin wiff Ya Paul,,, was a pleasure finally meeting you in person & hanging out wiff Ya!!:) Marauder Ya say??,,,,,, I will keep mine "wide open" thank you very much!!8) I LOVE my truck,,Errr,, I mean my Marauder!!:) Timbo. (http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg312/Timmyj1959/004-49.jpg)

Title: RE: Marauder Tuning Secret.

Post by: ShadowShot on September 03, 2009, 03:00:40 PM

Timbo,

The pleasure was all mine. I still love the looks of the Kodiak's. I have it marked down now, so I can convert back and forth. HA, the cow bell, how could I have forgotten? You took it from making a good clonkg, clonkg sound, to a thunk. I mean, it dont even ting anymore. Gene will be mad when he finds out who dunit. Glad dad will be mad at you and not me. What are yourger brothers for?

Title: Re: Marauder Tuning Secret. Post by: Rolls-Royce on September 04, 2009, 12:50:50 PM Wow, Paul, those're great results. Using the bar/cc/fpe calculation some of the guys on another airgun forum use, that's 9.72 bar/cc/fpe (I used 818 in the calculations to replace your "err" shot, as this number fit into the string at that point, and leaving it out would've skewed the results since you did use air for the shot). Those guys consider 13.5 as about average for a well set up PCP, and you beat that by about 30%! Powered by SMF 1.1.11 | SMF 2006-2009, Simple Machines LLC

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Yes. The Marauder is the new kid on the Precharged Pneumatic [PCP] Airgun block that can't be punked. After being in the Airgun world for 35 years and establishing a business in the shooting sports industry over the past 6 plus years, I've developed an appetite for product quality, fair value and manufacturer integrity. I received my .22 Benjamin Marauder mid July 2009. There are as many posts out there as you would care to read from owners communicating a range of personal experiences. After reading a number of these posts you'll realize that the reports are so closely consistent that they appear redundant. The consistent reports about the Marauder certainly underpins the base-line performance that you can expect should you choose to become a Marauder owner. My report will confirm many of the performance qualities you may have read about and include original observations to add to the ongoing Marauder experience. I agree with many of the favorable reports about the Marauder, such as: o From the initial opening of the box to getting acquainted with the Marauder you feel like you got more than you paid for. Not something we feel often these days. o Finish is classy and exudes visible quality. o Stealth like quiet report. Really! o Full Power shots per fill can be 35 - 45 and even more depending on your personal tune setting. o The ability to personally adjust the full range of tuning components of a PCP is a feature that the Marauder has and it appeals to an audience with a wide-range of experience levels. o The choked barrel makes this rifle very accurate and probably a better shooter than many of its owners. o The trigger is perceptibly friendly and match level adjustable to boot. Here are some of my personal observations: Rotary Magazine During the new owner "getting acquainted" period, when you're not very familiar with the Marauder's handling techniques; a user error, not a product malfunction, may cause an accidental loading of more than one pellet into the breech. This can happen when not pulling the bolt back until it cocks. Then allowing the bolt to slide forward under spring pressure, which results in pushing a pellet partially or fully into the breech. The natural thing to do when you discover that the gun is not cocked is to try cocking it again. When you pull the bolt back the second time it frees the rotary magazine to index to the next pellet, which gets pushed behind the existing breeched pellet when you close the bolt again. Solution 1 - Point the muzzle in a safe direction and use a suitable backstop. Now fire the rifle thereby clearing the multiple pellets in the breech. This should not be a problem if you have 800psi (never tried less pressure) or higher in your on-board reservoir. Solution 2 - fully depressurize your rifle using the degassing tool method (see owner's manual).

Then follow the procedure for removing a jammed pellet. Remember, you'll be removing more than one pellet at the same time, which will cause increased bore-to-pellet friction. Take your time and be careful not to use a rod that will damage the rifling. New Marauder users may also find themselves expending effort to dislodge what seems to be a "stuck" magazine. Truly the magazine extracts flawlessly when used correctly and you won't have this problem once you become more familiar with the operation of and relationship between the bolt and rotary magazine. A common culprit for a "stuck" rotary magazine is that the bolt pin may be partly in the magazine. Simply pull the bolt back to the rear most position and the magazine can be removed. (Always fire the rifle in a safe direction to clear any breeched pellet.) Another culprit is a partially inserted pellet. Closing the bolt completely, thereby pushing the pellet fully into the breech, and then pulling and holding the bolt back to the rear most position will free the magazine for removal. (Always fire the rifle in a safe direction to clear any breeched pellet.) Most owners may never experience these problems, but if you do, know that it's not the rotary magazine. Protecting the Shroud This caution applies to most PCPs and is meant to be helpful in avoiding unintentional user damage to the matte finish of the shroud. There is potential for surface damage to the shrouded barrel area above the fill probe. The quick disconnect fitting can scrape/scratch the bottom of the shrouded barrel when connecting and disconnecting to the fill probe. This can be solved by installing shrink wrap tubing or wrapping electrical or other durable tape around the quick disconnect fitting component parts (note: ensure that your shrink wrap tubing or tape does not interfere with the quick disconnect moving parts). If nothing else, at least place a barrier (e.g. cloth, gun sock, etc.) over the section of the barrel that may be bumped by the quick disconnect hardware. Over time, you'll be glad to have practiced careful handling during pressurizing. One of My Optimal Tune Settings One hundred Marauders can be manufactured and among them will be some level of uniqueness in performance characteristics. So, using my settings may not produce the same results in your rifle. You must take the time to experiment with your rifle to achieve the performance that you desire. Here are the settings I use to achieve a satisfactory basic field distance (BFD): Hammer Tension 6, Hammer Stroke 4 and Velocity Adjustment 2.5. (The owner's manual explains the adjustment parameters for the various tuning components). This setting produces an average 915 feet per second [FPS] with 14.3gn Crosman Premiers (CP's) amounting to just over 26 foot-pounds of energy [FPE]..... I get over 30 full power shots with this setting. When using Dynamic 14.5gn PCP2's with the same setting I get 940 FPS resulting in 28 FPE. Trajectory Report and Long Range Shooting The Marauder performs exceptionally during long-range field shooting conditions. The Marauder can't be punked by many well established PCP's carrying a price tag ranging 2 - 3 times as much. Mount a quality mil dot scope and enjoy the process of charting long-range hold-under / hold-over data. Once you've done this for your pellet(s) of choice the data will immediately become invaluable. You'll shoot with absolute confidence at ranges out to 75 yards and beyond. My furthest distance shot string was during a 15mph left to right wind at 108 yards producing a 4" group. It was no question that the gun was out shooting me. I'll be shooting at this distance again under better conditions. In addition to shooting groups at 108yds, I also performed one of my low-tech penetration test using a soup can (soda cans are too thin). Every shot entered and exited the can, then embedded in the tree backstop. At 108yds the CP 14.3gn pellet is traveling at 421 FPS and retains 6 FPE. My currently chosen maximum effective field range is 70 yards. At 70 yards the 14.3gn CPs are traveling at 549 fps, delivering 9.5 fpe at the point of impact (POI) and my point of

aim [POA] to POI is between right on to inch. Crosman Customer Service I have had the pleasure and, on some occasions, the displeasure of working with a number of customer service teams in the shooting sports industry. My contact with the Crosman Customer Service staff has been one of the most satisfying, respectful and responsive customer care experiences that I have had in any service industry. Crosman respectfully listened to my concerns, answered my questions and checked in with me to ensure that I was satisfied with their resolutions. I am still floored when I think about the time I received a check-in call from a Crosman representative who I knew was home sick for the day. Janet's colleagues were very helpful during her absence. However, it was important for Janet to know that I was a satisfied customer, even though she was not in the office that day. Crosman treated me like a valued customer. Kudos to Crosman Corporation for excellence in customer care. I'm presently placing the Marauder through additional testing (e.g. hunting, silhouette, different pellets, charting more tune settings and more...). Certainly, an important measure is the Marauder's reliability over time. Unfortunately, my time machine is under-going a five-year maintenance service. Therefore, the Marauder has to be time tested the old fashion way. The Benjamin Marauder lives up to its claims and is quickly establishing a respectful place in the quality PCP family of adult precision air rifles. If you have found the MAGPRO Marauder Report helpful and would like me to test and review your Airgun industry products, I welcome the opportunity to work with your business. Staying Safe. Teaching Others. Charles Hollins Marketing/Promotional Copy Developer and Writer License to Carry Instructor BFS001974 MASS Hunter Education Instructor MAGPRO Basic Firearm Safety Course LTC-016 Owner Adult Precision Airgun Safety Course Developer info@magproinc.com Article Source: http://EzineArticles.com/?expert=Charles_Hollins

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