How Meditation Defeats Depression Mawlana Shaykh Hisham Kabbani 2 December 2010 Melbourne Theosophical Society Melbourne, Australia

Introduction: I will say a couple of words about our speaker. Shaykh Hisham is a deputy of the Sufi Master, Muhammad Nazim Adil al-Haqqani. Welcome, Shaykh Hisham. As-salaamu `alaykum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh. For the program tonight we will begin wi th qasidahs and a general form of dhikr, the remembrance of Allah (swt), and tha t will be followed by a talk by Shaykh Kabbani, who exemplifies having both the things of this world and taking care of his spiritual love. He has degrees in Ch emistry and Islam, and he travels the world to spread Islam. He has a huge respo nsibility, taking care of things regarding our tariqah, and we are very blessed to have him in Australia. We are going to have questions regarding our Creator. We begin now with praise of God and His Prophet (s). (salawaat recited.) Mawlana Shaykh Hisham Kabbani Good evening. Is it evening now, is the Sun still up? For sure, time is in our i magination.

A`oodhu billahi min ash-Shaytaani 'r-rajeem. Bismillahi 'r-Rahmaani 'r-Raheem. Nawaytu 'l-arba`een, nawaytu 'l-`itikaaf, nawaytu 'l-khalwah, nawaytu 'l-`uzlah, nawaytu 'r-riyaadah, nawaytu 's-sulook, lillahi ta`ala fee haadha 'l-masjid. It is an honor for me to be here tonight, not tonight, but this morning! (laught er) We don't know where up or down is; the earth is round. So it is my honor to be here a second time and to see these beautiful faces. Some we saw last time an d some for the first time, but in our spiritual understanding we are always toge ther. Whether we see each other physically or not, the eyes can see, our hearts can see, every cell in our body can see. It is very difficult to express our fee ling because the tongue and language is limited, but spiritual understanding is never limited; that is why you can speak with your Lord with no language. Withou t language you can speak with someone you don't see; you can move your energy, y ou can move your spiritual power to everyone around the world and some can hear it. God gave you ears to hear with, but with everyone is it is different between some ears and others. I have a telephone, but unfortunately I can't hear. Is it a defect in the phone or in my ear? I found out my secretary, who is sitting he re, lowered the volume in my phone and I cannot hear it but he can hear, and thi s means his hearing is stronger than my hearing. For everyone God gave a special ty. We are not here to discuss believing in God or not. As a person I believe in God , in a Creator, because of what I see around me. When you look, you are going to see different faces. Who has the power and ability and capacity to make these f aces look different? It is impossible to do; even technology today cannot produc e anything similar. You have a computer and he has the same brand computer with the same software, but his software does not work. So what do you need? Tech sup port. Without tech support you cannot fix the problem in your computer, although the software is the same. Then tech support instructs you, "Press this button, now this button," and it works. Did he do miracles? No, he is someone with exper

ience, a healing expert that can see a defect in software and fix it. A tech support can heal; he is a guide, a healer, and it is impossible to live y our life without a guide. In your life there are so many guides and those who sa y we don't need them are mistaken. Because in your life you have a guide in nurs ery school, until you grow older and enter primary school, secondary school, hig h school, university, and even for PhD studies you still need a guide. Especiall y at the PhD level, they send you not one but ten people, to whom you must prove that you became a healer. Then they certify that you can become a guide, and gi ve you permission to guide others. Now, how many professors are studying the human body? There are hundreds of spec ialties. What do you think about the spirituality, the spirit in your self? Does it not need a specialist on how you can improve yourself? Yes. You go to the gy m and build up your body. They give you tablets and you become so big, like Supe rman, Batman and the Incredible Hulk. (laughter) Okay, you become all that, you are building your body, good. Why are you only building your body, you don't wan t to also build your spirit? Such meetings in these places are to build your spi rit, and without this it is impossible to improve ourselves. And there are such guides and healers that you can find in different walks of life depending on whi ch guide you are following. Is it that someone who uses a rocket is a very fast healer, or who uses a car is a very slow healer? It depends on who you are choos ing, as God has said in Holy Qur'an:

laa yukallifullah illa wus`ahaa. On no soul does Allah place a burden greater than it can bear. (al-Baqarah, 2:28 6) So a healer does not give you a handful of medicine, but he might give you one t ablet because he knows what kind of problem you have. They tell you not to take an antibiotic on an empty stomach, take it with meals or you will have stomach p ain. It is the same for spirituality: you will have pain in your soul if you don 't take medicine. That is why people have the pain of depression, and problems a t school or work. Everywhere they feel this depression. How to take away this de pression? That is the key today: how to take this away and be happy. Did you eve r have anyone tell you, "No, I don't want to take this away, I want to always be in misery and pain." (laughter) I don't think anyone wants to be unhappy. We are not discussing our Creator, what He created or what religion you have to follow. You are free to choose. There is no compulsion in religion; no one can t ell you what beliefs you must follow. We are speaking about the problems of toda y, which is so much technology. Some technology is very good and some is annoyin g. I cannot say it is not good, but annoying and a nuisance to many people. Firs t of all, it takes your time; hours and hours and hours behind the computer you are navigating. What are you navigating? Yahoo or Google. Let us navigate throug h Google: there is Google Earth and Google Space. Everyone is on Earth, so we kn ow that. Go to Google Space and what do you find? Go to these twelve constellati ons, abraaj in Arabic. Go to one, zoom in, and you can see unlimited stars there ; you cannot count them. And as you zoom in, it navigates you deeper into space. It is impossible to understand how this happened and you will be amazed. That is

not annoying, but that is the good part of technology. That is the space around us that we cannot understand, and in it Earth looks like the head of a pin, and this is just our solar system. We are not yet speaking about space; people are not even able to understand Earth! I will ask one question. Some of you came by car, some by train, and I don't kno w, some by horse? (laughter) If you came by car you need fuel, as without fuel t he car cannot operate; even if it is electric, you need some kind of energy. Can anyone in this room tell me with what kind of fuel the Earth is turning around its axis for millions of years? How does it keep turning? Why, instead of turnin g clockwise, is it turning counter-clockwise? Is it by mistake? No, it is always turning counter-clockwise. It did not change its course all this time. What kin d of fuel is making it turn? What is inside it to make it turn? It doesn't depre ss you not to know why? (laughter) As a student I was a depressed, because not one teacher gave me an answer about what was making this Earth turn and what kind of fuel it takes. (Someone gives a n inaudible answer about explosions on the Sun). I was studying quantum physics and they answered like that. But what kind of reaction is taking place on the Su n, and what kind of fuel is it that is not making the Sun completely explode? Wh at kind? Every star has its own characteristics, and in the middle of the Sun wh ere all these explosions happen, the temperature is 15 million degrees Centigrad e. If you put that on Earth, what will happen? It will explode, it will be gone! Why is the Sun not gone? When you don't know what is around you, it is depressi ng. If we don't know the inner side of ourselves, it is depressing. For the outs ide we are searching, but for the inside we are not. O People! In order to understand yourself, look within yourself, for that small hotel or motel that carries a lot of emotion and spiritual power: in your heart. You have been given a heart so that you may enlighten it. Some people ask, "Why the heart? Why not the brain?" Of course it is the heart, because if you go int o a coma and the brain stops, you are still living, but if the heart stops, ever ything stops. Muslims have a saying from God, "Neither My Heaven nor My Earth c ontain Me, only the heart of the believer contains Me." If someone is good and o f benefit to himself, his family, his community, his country, or wherever he liv es, that person will begin to receive that light. When you receive ma`rifah, kno wledge of the Divine, that depression slowly goes away. Why do we have depression? Because we cannot address our problems, we delay our problems. It is like students today, or children, you see when they study there is one book here, one book there, and their socks are there; they are not focuse d. So when we are not focused and our heart is not zoomed in, of course we canno t see. Depression comes when you cannot see the obstacles within you. You cannot overcome the obstacles that come your way, so you try to create a situation wit hin yourself, not to attack that obstacle (offense), but to defend yourself from it (defense). That will not be successful, because our duty is not to be defens ive, but to attack and stop any enemy that is coming to our soul. We have trillions of cells in our body and each cell is like a huge factory with security police and army battalions, trying to defend any attack. So if that is the case for a cell, what do you think about the whole body? If we are not able to use this energy to defend our body, how can we send it to benefit anyone els e outside the body? Healers are those who gave up their lives, and who always connect their hearts w

ith their Lord, their Creator, building up their energies in seclusion. Now many people do that in shrines, in mosques, and in churches. Everyone has to account for himself at the end of the day, what he has done. That is why we have to med itate. If we don't sit and meditate by ourselves and account for ourselves, how will we know what was our mistake for that day, in order to correct it for the n ext day? I asked my teacher one day how to count the mistakes we do during the d ay and how many bad characteristics we have in our soul. Because in Holy Qur'an it says, "And God inspired what is good and what is bad." Every major religion t eaches this. Someone has the microphone and wants to speak. Q: What do you think about children who have no defense system and no protection against what comes their way? Mawlana Shaykh Hisham: That is the problem, that children are not raised in an e nvironment to study spiritual knowledge to build themselves up, because parents are not teaching them that. Socially speaking, many of their parents are separat ed, or they have no social ties. I am sorry to say this is the problem of the 21 st century. If you ask, in my time I was studying in a French school, where we s tudied social behavior and how to build character. Today schools have eliminated this and they have no such thing on how to improve ourselves. If the energy in the house is good the children will be okay. If the energy in the house is not g ood then there will be problems, the children will have problems. I am feeling b y your energy and by your question that you have that problem. It depends on the age of children. If you can, direct them toward better behavior, and put them i n touch with meditation and these procedures. There are many places that teach i t, and it will be okay. Depression is a big problem that creates obstacles in so many people's lives. In order to overcome that we have to meditate. I asked my teacher, "How many bad c haracteristics can we count?" I ask anyone here. (100, 200, 250.) It ends up as 800 different bad characteristics that we build up in ourselves! I asked him, "H ow many were you able to identify in yourself?" Now he is 90 years old, and he s aid that once in seclusion, in six months he counted 650 bad characteristics in himself. It is very difficult to understand them. It comes slowly, and you begin to understand them and slowly you build up (your knowledge and defense). I was in Malaysia at an event where the dean of an Indian University gave a lect ure. He is a very nice person, very famous. He is Hindu, a very beautiful person and very nice. He was expressing how to know ourselves and to make ourselves st ronger, and he got different quotes from different psychologists. He said, "You have to count what good you have done during the day and write it on paper." When it was my turn to speak, I said, "I agree but I would like to add more. We should not only count the good things, but also count the bad things to counter the ego, because when you count the good things you are uplifting your ego. Ther e are two kinds of ego. You are increasing your good ego (when you acknowledge y our bad deeds), but if you count the bad characters, you destroy the glory of th e bad ego by showing it, 'You were bad today.'" He said, "Can I quote you in my book?" I said, "Yes." He said, "I want the whole speech." It was a 52-page speech and he put it in his book!

Today we count what is good and forget what is bad. Wives and husbands separate because they don't want to discuss their problems. It ends up in a big depressio n and when depression comes it is very difficult to take it away.

Regarding the Earth, we don't know its fuel source, but for the human body we sa y it is the soul. Did anyone see their soul? I saw my soul. If you train yoursel f under a competent master healer, you can see your body and your soul. You can separate them, because you can take your soul out. Because the body is the cage of the soul, you cannot move freely. That is why healers can move. God's friends , saints, have nothing to fear because they can move freely in their vision, in their soul. When you put yourself in their care, there are different ways Allah, God, will give you hearing and with your spiritual eyes you will see things you cannot see with your physical eyes. All of this will relate to how much you can take your soul out of your body. At that time you understand what is the "soul. " This is where the healer looks and he knows what is the defect because he can see people's souls. There are doctors that can heal the physical body and there are too many hospitals, but I never saw a hospital for the soul, except mental h ospitals! There are very few places for healing the soul, where you practice med itation, which can identify your problem. May God forgive us and keep you happy in your lives, and keep you always happy i n your country. Our duty is to obey God, obey Prophet (s), and obey those in aut hority; that keeps us safe. Also, there is an authority within us, that when we want to do something, immediately the mind or heart will jump to say, "Don't do that! It is not good." There is a balance in your conscience that is like upload ing to a computer. In the world we upload so many miseries to our minds! When yo u have uploaded too much your computer crashes, and your brain will crash. So al ways you have to download and empty, and when you meditate you will become safi, clear; your mind and heart will clear. So my recommendation is to meditate five , ten, or fifteen minutes daily and connect with whom you like. Meditate and und erstand your reality. It will help you fix yourself, unless you find a healer, s omeone who can understand and help you. May God bless you and give you happiness, health and wealth. God gives because H e is the Most Generous and anyone who asks, for sure He will give. Generosity is to keep giving. As-salaamu `alaykum. May God bless you. If anyone has a question, you may ask. If there are no questions, it will be a p leasure! (There is a question.) Ooohhh! (laughter) Come sit here, and I will sit here. His questions need my teacher to answer! Q: As-salaamu `alaykum. I am Iranian. (...) I bought your book. I believe the S ufis are peaceful and they discover what is in themselves. I love the Sufis. My question is, please remind us what is the relationship between matter and mind, between matter and consciousness, and between matter and soul. Thank you. bi l-f ``il wa 'l-quwwah, "in action and strength." Mawlana Shaykh Hisham: (laughs) Your questions are not normal questions; they ar e from a very high level and to answer it needs time, but we will try. Matter an d mind, what is the relationship? Okay, it's very simple, what is the relationsh ip between matter and mind, matter and consciousness, matter and soul. I will gi ve one example that will give you the whole answer. What the relationship is bet ween atoms is "matter = mass + electron + proton." If there is no electron or no

proton, there is no mass. So to have equilibrium of matter requires mass + atom + equilibrium. Similarly, soul + mass = body. Without mass, this body consists of soul and flesh, so "soul + mass = body."

Then there is faith, what people believe in. Let me say my faith is Islam (law) + imaan (faith), whether that is Jewish, Hindu, Christian, seek ihsaan (the sta te of perfection). These are the equations that answer your question. The relati onship is so combined you cannot take them apart. You can identify mass and elem ents, and in the periodic table 200 elements. Also, the relationship of the matt er to the soul, mind, education, whatever, all these different equations you men tioned, everything is woven together. In order to understand, you have to analyz e it. Like in this carpet, to achieve so many colors you have to analyze it. It is not accurate to say only, "It is made of red and blue threads." To achieve th ose colors I would have to take every thread out and analyze it. Similarly, the soul has many aspects. As we say, "soul + mass = body," we say "religion + faith = perfection. To understand this you must analyze it, and we hope people can an alyze for themselves.

Q: You mentioned out-of-body experiences. Sometimes I experience that. Mawlana Shaykh Hisham: The soul and flesh give the body life. When you take out the soul you only see flesh, and then you can understand the relationship. When you free your soul you feel better, because the freer your soul becomes, the mor e knowledge you receive.