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From: nsaa <nsaa.wikipedia@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2012 11:04:32 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 57wVZ18nf4cVcGOHxsR6HBuifOs Message-ID: <CAL8n-efsYeWrHwYk2n3Vug8z3GZHonBBNdByJbV9g4+HR=hseg@mail.gmail.com> To: Dkmeivind@gmail.com, wikino-admin-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikino-admin-l] Privat blogg X-BeenThere: wikino-admin-l@lists.wikimedia.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: wikino-admin-l@lists.wikimedia.org List-Id: <wikino-admin-l.lists.wikimedia.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/options/wikino-admin-l>, <mailto:wikino-admin-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Post: <mailto:wikino-admin-l@lists.wikimedia.org> List-Help: <mailto:wikino-admin-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikino-admin-l>, <mailto:wikino-admin-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=subscribe> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============7428926848055668287==" Sender: wikino-admin-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org Errors-To: wikino-admin-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org --===============7428926848055668287== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f647bf5c3e44f04c813629f --e89a8f647bf5c3e44f04c813629f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Det er mange gode kommentarer her. Blkogger kan godt brukes, men det kommer an p=E5 b=E5de stoffet som skal dekkes og hvem og hvilken blogg vi snakker = om. Som man sier p=E5 EN:WP:SPS<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sources#Self-published_sou= rces> : Self-published sources Policy <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Policies_and_guidelines> shortcuts <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Shortcut>: - WP:SPS <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:SPS> - WP:SELFPUBLISH <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:SELFPUBLISH> - WP:BLOGS <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:BLOGS> Further information: Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons#Avoid self-published sources<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_o= f_living_persons#Avoid_self-published_sources> and Wikipedia:List of self-publishing companies<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:List_of_self-publishing_co= mpanies> Anyone can create a personal web page<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_web_page> or pay to have a book published <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanity_press= >, and then claim to be an expert in a certain field. For that reason, self-published media, such as books, patents, newsletters, personal websites, open wikis, personal or group blogs, Internet forum postings, and

tweets, are largely not acceptable as sources. Self-published expert sources may be considered reliable when produced by an established expert on the topic of the article whose work *in the relevant field* has previously been published by reliable third-party publications.[4]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sources#cite_note-E= XCEPTIONAL-3> Take care when using such sources: if the information in question is really worth reporting, someone else will probably have done so.[6]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sources#cite_note-5> *Never* use self-published sources as third-party sources about living people, even if the author is an expert, well-known professional researcher, or writer. Self-published or questionable sources as sources on themselves Policy <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Policies_and_guidelines> shortcuts <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Shortcut>: WP:ABOUTSELF <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:ABOUTSELF> WP:SELFPUB <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:SELFPUB> WP:TWITTER <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:TWITTER> WP:SOCIALMEDIA <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:SOCIALMEDIA>

Self-published and questionable sources may be used as sources of information *about themselves*, usually in articles about themselves or their activities, without the requirement in the case of self-published sources that they be published experts in the field, so long as: 1. the material is neither unduly self-serving nor an exceptional claim<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Verifiability#Exceptional_clai= ms_require_exceptional_sources> ; 2. it does not involve claims about third parties; 3. it does not involve claims about events not directly related to the source; 4. there is no reasonable doubt as to its authenticity; 5. the article is not based primarily on such sources. This policy also applies to pages on social networking sites such as Twitter<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twitter> , Tumblr <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tumblr>, and Facebook<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facebook> . Dette er vel ganske dekkende for hva vi kan bruke eller ei og i hvilken sammenheng. Ja vi m=E5 vurdere hver enkelt blogg, og vi m=E5 vurdere hvilke= t stoff det er bloggen fors=F8ker =E5 si noe om. Det var mine 2 cent Nikolai 2012/8/25 Trond Eivind Johnsen <dkmeivind@gmail.com> > Blogg har v=E6rt et nettfenomen i noen =E5r n=E5, og jeg tror utviklingen= p=E5 > nett p=E5 mange m=E5ter har visket ut skillet mellom tradisjonelle nettsi=

der og > blogger. Der hvor fagmenn tidligere ville brukt vanlige nettsider bruker = de > n=E5 bloggkonseptet, men uten at dette g=E5r p=E5 bekostningen av kvalite= ten og > faglig standard. > > Jeg tror ikke vi lenger kan sl=E5 fast at enhver blogg er subjektiv, s=E5= da > m=E5 vi n=F8dvendigvis begynne =E5 vurdere hver enkelt nettside for seg. > > EivindJ > > Den 08:47 25. august 2012 skrev Bjarne Fosse <bjafosse@gmail.com>f=F8lgen= de: > > Det at et innlegg kommer p=E5 trykk noe sted betyr sjelden at en redakt= =F8r >> g=E5r god for det faglige innholdet. Ofte n=F8yer en redakt=F8r seg med = =E5 s=F8rge >> for at det som trykkes holder seg innenfor "V=E6r varsom-plakaten". Et g= odt >> eksempel p=E5 dette er f=F8lgende innlegg i et fagtidsskrift: >> http://tidsskriftet.no/article/2207603 >> Artikkelen er saklig formulert, men det faglige innholdet er det reneste >> svada. >> Det er helt riktig at man har man har mulighet til =E5 endre innholdet i= en >> blogg, og man er prisgitt egendisiplin. Det er imidlertid mange fagperso= ner >> som blogger p=E5 offisielle nettsteder som tilsier at slike korrigeringe= r er >> lite trolig. Se f.eks. denne bloggartikkelen: >> >> http://www.psykol.no/Fag-og-profesjon/Fagblogger/Joar-OEveraas-Halvorsen= s-menneskerettighetsblogg/Bedre-menneskerettsvern-med-psykologhjelp >> >> F=F8r man leste innholdet ville de fleste si at innlegget i Tidsskriftet >> for den norske legeforening er akseptabelt som referanse, mens >> blogginnlegget er uakseptabelt. I praksis burde det i dette tilfellet >> v=E6re stikk motsatt. >> >> Vi skal tr=F8 varsomt fram her, men blogging er i ferd med =E5 ta over m= ye av >> den faglige oppdatering som tradisjonelt har v=E6rt trykket i faglige >> tidsskrifter. Et konsekvent forbud mot =E5 bruke blogger som referanser = er >> derfor uheldig. >> >> mvh Bjarne F. >> >> >> Den 01:37 25. august 2012 skrev KEN <empyroth@gmail.com> f=F8lgende: >> >>> Det er stor forskjell p=E5 blogg og ett innlegg i en avis. I en blogg k= an >>> man endre innholdet fortl=F8pende, og det er ingen redakt=F8r som overs= er det >>> som skrives, ingen filter. Hvem skal bestemme hvilke logger som er seri= =F8se

>>> nok, hvor g=E5r grensen? Her tror jeg dere ikke har gjennomtenkt dette = godt >>> nok. Neste blir vel at vi kan bruke Facebook som referanser..... >>> >>> KEN >>> >>> Den 21:05 24. august 2012 skrev Bjarne Fosse <bjafosse@gmail.com>f=F8lg= ende: >>> >>>> Jeg ser heller ikke det store skillet mellom en fagpersons innlegg p= =E5 >>>> egen blogg og en kronikk i en avis >>>> >>>> mvh Bjarne F. >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikino-admin-l mailing list >>> Wikino-admin-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikino-admin-l >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikino-admin-l mailing list >> Wikino-admin-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikino-admin-l >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Wikino-admin-l mailing list > Wikino-admin-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikino-admin-l > > --e89a8f647bf5c3e44f04c813629f Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Det er mange gode kommentarer her. Blkogger kan godt brukes, men det kommer= an p=E5 b=E5de stoffet som skal dekkes og hvem og hvilken blogg vi snakker= om.<div><br></div><div>Som man sier p=E5 <a href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.or= g/wiki/Wikipedia:Sources#Self-published_sources">EN:WP:SPS</a>:</div> <div><blockquote style=3D"margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px"><div><= br></div><div><h3 style=3D"background-image:none;background-color:rgb(255,2= 55,255);margin:0px 0px 0.3em;overflow:hidden;padding-top:0.5em;padding-bott= om:0.17em;border-bottom-style:none;font-size:16.799999237060547px;font-fami= ly:sans-serif;line-height:19.200000762939453px"> <span class=3D"mw-headline" id=3D"Self-published_sources">Self-published so= urces</span></h3></div><div><table class=3D"shortcutbox shortcutbox-policy = noprint" style=3D"font-size:12.800000190734863px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-fami= ly:sans-serif;line-height:19.200000762939453px;float:right;margin:0.3em 0.3= em 0.3em 1em;border:1px solid rgb(170,170,170);background-color:rgb(255,255= ,255);padding:3px;text-align:center">

<tbody><tr><th class=3D"plainlist" style=3D"border:none;background-color:tr= ansparent;background-repeat:initial initial"><span id=3D"WP:SPS"></span><sp= an id=3D"WP:SELFPUBLISH"></span><span id=3D"WP:BLOGS"></span><small><a href= =3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Policies_and_guidelines" title= =3D"Wikipedia:Policies and guidelines" style=3D"text-decoration:none;color:= rgb(11,0,128);background-image:none;background-repeat:initial initial">Poli= cy</a>=A0<a href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Shortcut" title= =3D"Wikipedia:Shortcut" style=3D"text-decoration:none;color:rgb(11,0,128);b= ackground-image:none;background-repeat:initial initial">shortcuts</a>:</sma= ll><ul style=3D"line-height:inherit;list-style:none none;margin:0px;padding= :0px"> <li style=3D"margin-bottom:0px"><small><a href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/w= iki/Wikipedia:SPS" title=3D"Wikipedia:SPS" class=3D"mw-redirect" style=3D"t= ext-decoration:none;color:rgb(11,0,128);background-image:none;background-re= peat:initial initial">WP:SPS</a></small></li> <li style=3D"margin-bottom:0px"><small><a href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/w= iki/Wikipedia:SELFPUBLISH" title=3D"Wikipedia:SELFPUBLISH" class=3D"mw-redi= rect" style=3D"text-decoration:none;color:rgb(11,0,128);background-image:no= ne;background-repeat:initial initial">WP:SELFPUBLISH</a></small></li> <li style=3D"margin-bottom:0px"><small><a href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/w= iki/Wikipedia:BLOGS" title=3D"Wikipedia:BLOGS" class=3D"mw-redirect" style= =3D"text-decoration:none;color:rgb(11,0,128);background-image:none;backgrou= nd-repeat:initial initial">WP:BLOGS</a></small></li> </ul></th></tr></tbody></table></div><div><div class=3D"rellink" style=3D"f= ont-style:italic;padding-left:1.6em;margin-bottom:0.5em;font-family:sans-se= rif;font-size:12.800000190734863px;line-height:19.200000762939453px;backgro= und-color:rgb(255,255,255)"> Further information:=A0<a href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bi= ographies_of_living_persons#Avoid_self-published_sources" title=3D"Wikipedi= a:Biographies of living persons" style=3D"text-decoration:none;color:rgb(11= ,0,128);background-image:none;background-repeat:initial initial">Wikipedia:= Biographies of living persons#Avoid self-published sources</a>=A0and=A0<a h= ref=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:List_of_self-publishing_compa= nies" title=3D"Wikipedia:List of self-publishing companies" style=3D"text-d= ecoration:none;color:rgb(11,0,128);background-image:none;background-repeat:= initial initial">Wikipedia:List of self-publishing companies</a></div> </div><div><p style=3D"margin:0.4em 0px 0.5em;line-height:19.20000076293945= 3px;font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.800000190734863px;background-color:= rgb(255,255,255)">Anyone can create a=A0<a href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/= wiki/Personal_web_page" title=3D"Personal web page" style=3D"text-decoratio= n:none;color:rgb(11,0,128);background-image:none;background-repeat:initial = initial">personal web page</a>=A0or=A0<a href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/wi= ki/Vanity_press" title=3D"Vanity press" style=3D"text-decoration:none;color= :rgb(11,0,128);background-image:none;background-repeat:initial initial">pay= to have a book published</a>, and then claim to be an expert in a certain = field. For that reason, self-published media, such as books, patents, newsl= etters, personal websites, open wikis, personal or group blogs, Internet fo= rum postings, and tweets, are largely not acceptable as sources. Self-publi= shed expert sources may be considered reliable when produced by an establis= hed expert on the topic of the article whose work=A0<b>in the relevant fiel= d</b>=A0has previously been published by reliable third-party publications.= <sup id=3D"cite_ref-EXCEPTIONAL_3-1" class=3D"reference" style=3D"line-heig= ht:1em"><a href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sources#cite_note= -EXCEPTIONAL-3" style=3D"text-decoration:none;color:rgb(11,0,128);backgroun=

d-image:none;white-space:nowrap;background-repeat:initial initial">[4]</a><= /sup>=A0Take care when using such sources: if the information in question i= s really worth reporting, someone else will probably have done so.<sup id= =3D"cite_ref-5" class=3D"reference" style=3D"line-height:1em"><a href=3D"ht= tp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sources#cite_note-5" style=3D"text-dec= oration:none;color:rgb(11,0,128);background-image:none;white-space:nowrap;b= ackground-repeat:initial initial">[6]</a></sup>=A0<b>Never</b>=A0use self-p= ublished sources as third-party sources about living people, even if the au= thor is an expert, well-known professional researcher, or writer.</p> </div><div><h3 style=3D"background-image:none;background-color:rgb(255,255,= 255);margin:0px 0px 0.3em;overflow:hidden;padding-top:0.5em;padding-bottom:= 0.17em;border-bottom-style:none;font-size:16.799999237060547px;font-family:= sans-serif;line-height:19.200000762939453px"> <span class=3D"mw-headline" id=3D"Self-published_or_questionable_sources_as= _sources_on_themselves">Self-published or questionable sources as sources o= n themselves</span></h3></div><div><table class=3D"shortcutbox shortcutbox-= policy noprint" style=3D"font-size:12.800000190734863px;color:rgb(0,0,0);fo= nt-family:sans-serif;line-height:19.200000762939453px;float:right;margin:0.= 3em 0.3em 0.3em 1em;border:1px solid rgb(170,170,170);background-color:rgb(= 255,255,255);padding:3px;text-align:center"> <tbody><tr><th class=3D"plainlist" style=3D"border:none;background-color:tr= ansparent;background-repeat:initial initial"><span id=3D"WP:ABOUTSELF"></sp= an><span id=3D"WP:SELFPUB"></span><span id=3D"WP:TWITTER"></span><span id= =3D"WP:SOCIALMEDIA"></span><small><a href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W= ikipedia:Policies_and_guidelines" title=3D"Wikipedia:Policies and guideline= s" style=3D"text-decoration:none;color:rgb(11,0,128);background-image:none;= background-repeat:initial initial">Policy</a>=A0<a href=3D"http://en.wikipe= dia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Shortcut" title=3D"Wikipedia:Shortcut" style=3D"text= -decoration:none;color:rgb(11,0,128);background-image:none;background-repea= t:initial initial">shortcuts</a>:</small><ul style=3D"line-height:inherit;l= ist-style:none none;margin:0px;padding:0px"> <li style=3D"margin-bottom:0px"><small><a href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/w= iki/Wikipedia:ABOUTSELF" title=3D"Wikipedia:ABOUTSELF" class=3D"mw-redirect= " style=3D"text-decoration:none;color:rgb(11,0,128);background-image:none;b= ackground-repeat:initial initial">WP:ABOUTSELF</a></small></li> <li style=3D"margin-bottom:0px"><small><a href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/w= iki/Wikipedia:SELFPUB" title=3D"Wikipedia:SELFPUB" class=3D"mw-redirect" st= yle=3D"text-decoration:none;color:rgb(11,0,128);background-image:none;backg= round-repeat:initial initial">WP:SELFPUB</a></small></li> <li style=3D"margin-bottom:0px"><small><a href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/w= iki/Wikipedia:TWITTER" title=3D"Wikipedia:TWITTER" class=3D"mw-redirect" st= yle=3D"text-decoration:none;color:rgb(11,0,128);background-image:none;backg= round-repeat:initial initial">WP:TWITTER</a></small></li> <li style=3D"margin-bottom:0px"><small><a href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/w= iki/Wikipedia:SOCIALMEDIA" title=3D"Wikipedia:SOCIALMEDIA" class=3D"mw-redi= rect" style=3D"text-decoration:none;color:rgb(11,0,128);background-image:no= ne;background-repeat:initial initial">WP:SOCIALMEDIA</a></small></li> </ul></th></tr></tbody></table></div><div><p style=3D"margin:0.4em 0px 0.5e= m;line-height:19.200000762939453px;font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8000= 00190734863px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Self-published and questio= nable sources may be used as sources of information=A0<b>about themselves</= b>, usually in articles about themselves or their activities, without the r=

equirement in the case of self-published sources that they be published exp= erts in the field, so long as:</p> </div></blockquote></div><div><p style=3D"margin:0.4em 0px 0.5em;line-heigh= t:19.200000762939453px;font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.800000190734863p= x;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span id=3D"Self-published_and_questio= nable_sources_as_sources_on_themselves"></span></p> <ol style=3D"line-height:19.200000762939453px;margin:0.3em 0px 0px 3.2em;pa= dding:0px;font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.800000190734863px;background-= color:rgb(255,255,255)"><ol><li style=3D"margin-bottom:0.1em">the material = is neither unduly self-serving nor an=A0<a href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/= wiki/Wikipedia:Verifiability#Exceptional_claims_require_exceptional_sources= " title=3D"Wikipedia:Verifiability" style=3D"text-decoration:none;color:rgb= (11,0,128);background-image:none;background-repeat:initial initial">excepti= onal claim</a>;</li> <li style=3D"margin-bottom:0.1em">it does not involve claims about third pa= rties;</li><li style=3D"margin-bottom:0.1em">it does not involve claims abo= ut events not directly related to the source;</li><li style=3D"margin-botto= m:0.1em"> there is no reasonable doubt as to its authenticity;</li><li style=3D"margi= n-bottom:0.1em">the article is not based primarily on such sources.</li></o= l></ol></div><blockquote style=3D"margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px= "> <div><p style=3D"margin:0.4em 0px 0.5em;line-height:19.200000762939453px;fo= nt-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.800000190734863px;background-color:rgb(25= 5,255,255)">This policy also applies to pages on social networking sites su= ch as=A0<a href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twitter" title=3D"Twitter" = style=3D"text-decoration:none;color:rgb(11,0,128);background-image:none;bac= kground-repeat:initial initial">Twitter</a>,=A0<a href=3D"http://en.wikiped= ia.org/wiki/Tumblr" title=3D"Tumblr" style=3D"text-decoration:none;color:rg= b(11,0,128);background-image:none;background-repeat:initial initial">Tumblr= </a>, and=A0<a href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facebook" title=3D"Face= book" style=3D"text-decoration:none;color:rgb(11,0,128);background-image:no= ne;background-repeat:initial initial">Facebook</a>.</p> </div></blockquote><div><div><br></div><div>Dette er vel ganske dekkende fo= r hva vi kan bruke eller ei og i hvilken sammenheng. Ja vi m=E5 vurdere hve= r enkelt blogg, og vi m=E5 vurdere hvilket stoff det er bloggen fors=F8ker = =E5 si noe om.</div> <div><br></div><div>Det var mine 2 cent</div><div><br></div><div>Nikolai</d= iv><div><br></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2012/8/25 Trond Eivind Joh= nsen <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dkmeivind@gmail.com" target=3D= "_blank">dkmeivind@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br> <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p= x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>Blogg har v=E6rt et nettfenomen i noen = =E5r n=E5, og jeg tror utviklingen p=E5 nett p=E5 mange m=E5ter har visket = ut skillet mellom tradisjonelle nettsider og blogger. Der hvor fagmenn tidl= igere ville brukt vanlige nettsider bruker de n=E5 bloggkonseptet, men uten= at dette g=E5r p=E5 bekostningen av kvaliteten og faglig standard.</div>

<div>=A0</div><div>Jeg tror ikke vi lenger kan sl=E5 fast at enhver blogg e= r subjektiv, s=E5 da m=E5 vi n=F8dvendigvis begynne =E5 vurdere hver enkelt=

nettside for seg.</div><div><br clear=3D"all">EivindJ<br><br></div><div cl= ass=3D"gmail_quote">

Den 08:47 25. august 2012 skrev Bjarne Fosse <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href= =3D"mailto:bjafosse@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">bjafosse@gmail.com</a>&gt;= </span> f=F8lgende:<div><div class=3D"h5"><br><blockquote style=3D"margin:0= px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border= -left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid" class=3D"gmail_quote">

<div>Det at et innlegg kommer p=E5 trykk noe sted betyr=A0sjelden at en red= akt=F8r g=E5r god for det faglige=A0innholdet.=A0Ofte n=F8yer en redakt=F8r= seg med =E5 s=F8rge for at det som trykkes holder seg innenfor &quot;V=E6r= varsom-plakaten&quot;. Et godt eksempel p=E5 dette er f=F8lgende innlegg i= et fagtidsskrift:</div>

<div><a href=3D"http://tidsskriftet.no/article/2207603" target=3D"_blank">h= ttp://tidsskriftet.no/article/2207603</a></div><div>Artikkelen er saklig fo= rmulert, men det faglige innholdet er det reneste svada.<br></div><div>Det = er helt riktig at man har man har mulighet til =E5 endre innholdet i en blo= gg, og man er prisgitt egendisiplin. Det er imidlertid mange fagpersoner so= m=A0blogger p=E5 offisielle nettsteder som=A0tilsier at slike korrigeringer= er lite trolig. Se f.eks. denne bloggartikkelen:</div>

<div><a href=3D"http://www.psykol.no/Fag-og-profesjon/Fagblogger/Joar-OEver= aas-Halvorsens-menneskerettighetsblogg/Bedre-menneskerettsvern-med-psykolog= hjelp" target=3D"_blank">http://www.psykol.no/Fag-og-profesjon/Fagblogger/J= oar-OEveraas-Halvorsens-menneskerettighetsblogg/Bedre-menneskerettsvern-med= -psykologhjelp</a></div>

<div>=A0</div><div>F=F8r man leste innholdet ville de fleste si at=A0innleg= get i Tidsskriftet for den norske legeforening er=A0akseptabelt som referan= se, mens blogginnlegget er uakseptabelt. I praksis=A0burde det i dette tilf= ellet v=E6re=A0stikk motsatt.</div>

<div>=A0</div><div>Vi skal tr=F8 varsomt fram her,=A0men blogging er i ferd= med =E5 ta over mye av den faglige oppdatering som tradisjonelt har v=E6rt= trykket i faglige tidsskrifter. Et konsekvent forbud mot =E5 bruke blogger= som referanser er derfor uheldig.</div>

<div>=A0</div><div>mvh Bjarne F.</div><div><br>=A0</div><div class=3D"gmail= _quote">Den 01:37 25. august 2012 skrev KEN <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=

=3D"mailto:empyroth@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">empyroth@gmail.com</a>&gt;= </span> f=F8lgende:<br>

<blockquote style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-= color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid" class= =3D"gmail_quote"><div><div>Det er stor forskjell p=E5 blogg og ett innlegg = i en avis. I en blogg kan man endre innholdet fortl=F8pende, og det er inge= n redakt=F8r som overser det som skrives, ingen filter. Hvem skal bestemme = hvilke logger som er seri=F8se nok, hvor g=E5r grensen? Her tror jeg dere i= kke har gjennomtenkt dette godt nok. Neste blir vel at vi kan bruke Faceboo= k som referanser.....<br>

<br>KEN<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">Den 21:05 24. august 2012 skrev B= jarne Fosse <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bjafosse@gmail.com" tar= get=3D"_blank">bjafosse@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> f=F8lgende:<br><blockquote= style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(2= 04,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid" class=3D"gmail_q= uote">

<div> <div>Jeg ser heller ikke det store skillet mellom en fagpersons innlegg p= =E5 egen blogg og en kronikk i en avis</div><div> =A0</div></div><div>mvh Bjarne F.<br></div></blockquote></div><br> <br></div></div><div>_______________________________________________<br> Wikino-admin-l mailing list<br> <a href=3D"mailto:Wikino-admin-l@lists.wikimedia.org" target=3D"_blank">Wik= ino-admin-l@lists.wikimedia.org</a><br> <a href=3D"https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikino-admin-l" tar= get=3D"_blank">https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikino-admin-l<= /a><br> <br></div></blockquote></div><br> <br>_______________________________________________<br> Wikino-admin-l mailing list<br> <a href=3D"mailto:Wikino-admin-l@lists.wikimedia.org" target=3D"_blank">Wik= ino-admin-l@lists.wikimedia.org</a><br> <a href=3D"https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikino-admin-l" tar= get=3D"_blank">https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikino-admin-l<= /a><br> <br></blockquote></div></div></div><br> <br>_______________________________________________<br> Wikino-admin-l mailing list<br> <a href=3D"mailto:Wikino-admin-l@lists.wikimedia.org">Wikino-admin-l@lists.= wikimedia.org</a><br> <a href=3D"https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikino-admin-l" tar= get=3D"_blank">https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikino-admin-l<= /a><br> <br></blockquote></div><br></div> --e89a8f647bf5c3e44f04c813629f--

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