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Survival Tips for B-School GD-PI Processes
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G o p Di c ion ha e ol ed ac o he e ea and ha become a e comple b Di ec ed me hodolog . I i a p oce he ein people ho ha e been ained can become eall e eo pical in e m of pe fo mance . Thi en e ha i become ea fo he Panel o ejec mo e n mbe of people a hi age i elf. Fo he GD p oce e nde CAT, XAT and o he e am (e cep MAHA-CET), i i he p ime objec i e fo he panel o e ce ci e he Rejec ion fo m la co ec l . In ea lie ime , GD ed o be opical and main concen a ion a on he con en , a i de, and he bod lang age. Con en no mall incl ded a a ene abo he opic and a i de deal i h he one ed d ing he di c ion. Toda , hing ha e changed. GD ha become mo e of an e ce ci e of G o p D namic a he han a di c ion. I i a place he ein people a e p hed in o nkno n e i o ie (TOPICS) and hen a e e pec ed o find a ol ion (Di c ion). The compe encie ha a e looked in o a e - Logical hinking, a eg (fo ol ion ), li ening kill , eac ion and p oac i ene , e bal comm nica ion, e c. In hi chap e , I ill ell o abo ha he B chool look in o hen he make o ill con i of he Opening incl ding he opic, he bod of he GD and he chemi an he den o ha e. Opening a GD: -------------Fo man people, being he fi pe on o alk in a GD i impe a hem b o nie poin and ha he ill be pe cei ed a Ini ia o omeone i ho a olid plan in place a emp o a he GD. one o be boo ed o if he con en of he Opening en ence i In ca e o o a . a e no oo e abo i e. The feel ha i ill gi e . No hing can be mo e fooli h if He/She ill defini el be he fi pa he ic. omeone i in a GD. I ha he
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Plea e e i in ge ing in o he no mal "m f iend", "dea f iend", "Si " e c. Sen ence can begin impl b a ing - "I di ag ee i h o poin " o "I comple el ag ee i h him" in hich ca e o e a comple e hand mo emen o ho o he g o p hom o a e ag eeing/di ag eeing i h. Ano he impo an ob e a ion can be made a hi j nc e - Remembe , he di ag eemen i i h he Poin of ie o he Da a ha o migh ha e p o ided. I i NOT pe onal. In GD opic ha a e a li le emo ional like "India ho ld gi e a a Ka hmi o Paki an", I ha e een people ge ing in ol ed pe onall hich ha en ed hei ejec ion . Yo a e he e o di c and nde and he p obabili o ha e a Plan of Ac ion o a ol ion coming in f om Ma ed pe on. Emo ion a e be lef o ide he GD oom. Mo B ine School en e ha he pick p ho e den ho ha e ome da a on he opic o ela ed di c ion he ein he den can complimen hei poin of ie o he and he migh ake. I i like gge ing he change e pec ed in he Ne B dge - "Finance Mini e ho ld ed ce he pe cen age of ce fo o ng en ep ene ". I am no happ i h onl ha . An one can gi e me ha . Wha ' o pecial in o ?? Al a emembe , he e ence i no "Wha o do?" b ac all "Ho o do i ?". Onl hen can he In i e nde and o ho gh p oce . Onl hen he In i e can nde and if o a e c ea i e and al o ppo o c ea i i i h o nd logic.
ill ai fo o p o p o ide o commen /feedback/ di c ion on he abo e, and ill ha e ome of he o he hing ha I kno b j being a pa of he o he ide (B-School ) fo ome ea , and al o b g iding & in e ac ing i h ome he e a o nd 7000 B-School a pi an fo he la 6 ea . all ha e o conce n / doo b i al ip fo e e one. and al o he kno ledge on hi and ge he be po ible
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Re: Survival Tips for B-School GD-PI Processes Hi.
16-01-2009 01:21 PM
Generall the topics that ou will encounter in various Institutes would be related to some problem statement or somethiing based on the current and future economic trends. It is evr seldom we see that b-Schools actuall give something creative like the "pink p jamas..." t pe. These kind of GDs are not ver eas to judge for the juries and therefore the rarit . I will further provide ou with certain situations that ou can come across in GDs. If ou have an further problems, please put them across and I will tr m best to provide suggestions. Cheers.
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Originall Posted b g anvikas (Post 1350964) He Soumik, thanks for the wonderful thread. Especiall for that one "Pink P ajamas fl ing high on RedFort". :rockedov: Could u pl some more abstract topics and anal sis like this. g an
soumik.gangul
What to do during a Fish Market in a GD
16-01-2009 01:26 PM
During a Fish market, ou will normall find 4-5 people creating the ruckus and going nowhere. Actuall the will be doing our job perfectl - that of our selection and their rejection b creating nuisance. Remember - make new inroads into the topic from various angles vi Social, Political, parental, financial, etc. An thing that ou would be comfortable in handling and ou would have conviction while talking to the OTHER members in the group.
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Bod Language Basics
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What is Body Language? Generally when I have asked this question to students/aspirants, their answers have always been similar Something to do with the way one sits or gestures, etc. Well. That s correct no doubt. But Body Language goes far beyond that and the whole premise that it holds good only for that one GD or the PI for your selection into the B-School is rubbish. Your Body Language is something like a platform upon which you will base many future-things like summer internship, final placements, deals with clients, executive interviews, and list goes on. One thing that I have learnt in my life (the hard way of-course) is the fact that the best of deals that I have cracked in my profession and the negotiations that went along with them were won due to my body language which prevailed upon the other side giving them an impression that they could trust me and in turn trust the establishment I was representing. Remember no skill that you will learn from this book will end up non-usable in your career. Every one of them is true for every possible situation starting right now from your selection GD and Interviews to client acquisitions. The Body language (like any other language) has its own set of rules but like a good conversationalist, one can master every response in such a way that you can win in any situation, or against any opponent (hey, aren t they an opponent?). It has been termed as the non-verbal communication by many masters and therefore counts for maximum marks in your GD-PI and creates maximum impression when you are with clients. Why? Well I believe any Dr. Know-it-all will tell you that non-verbal communication accounts to almost 60% of our total communication to any person. As of now, I will suggest you to go by this rule until you figure out something else more scientific. First up for you the basics of Body Language for Group Discussions. What is the best way to sit inside a GD? This is the starting point. Almost every student will ask this question first up. Actually in India, the formal education does not teach us many things and one of them will be the way to conduct ourselves in different situations. Either we are too serious and mess-up, or we are too casual and mess-up. There is a third wherein we don t know what to do and mess-up. All these possibilities are avoidable. When one sits on a chair for discussing a topic, the idea is to relax and also be attentive. Using the chair is something that I have had pains to make many people understand. When you sit on a chair, many a times there is a possibility that you will tend to sit on the edge of the chair. This is a no-no. I will want you to sit back so that the back rest is actually doing its job supporting your back. Research says that if your backbone is steady and in not much of a stress, then your thinking becomes a little better than usual.(Have you ever wondered how come those Head of the Departments thought correctly at times and not observed them couched into their seats?). Having said that, the correct posture is to sit back, keep both your legs in-front of you, both hands on your legs, and relax your body by breathing deeply once or twice. Avoid putting one leg on top of the other (as you may be a Zamindaar but out there it is time to prove other things), and folding your hands as you get ready to speak. What should be my hand movement during discussions? I will ask you to go and watch some of these news presenters from the English channels. One can actually learn a lot from them in terms of how they use their hands for making various points and suggestions. Not pointing fingers and things like that are something that I do not want to mention as it is understood you will not do those things that you won t want others to do to you. So what is it that you will need to create an impression? Normally, people who make an impression are those
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who speak without folded hands. An open arm gesture while talking always gives others a subconscious feeling that you are the one they will want to talk to. Use Karate-Chop movements for making a point that you believe is pertinent and has to be told to everyone. Open-Palm usage to point to someone is also acceptable as that helps you create your own team in the process. What about my eye-contact? I just hope that you don t end up getting Hritik Roshan or Aishwarya Rai in your GD group so that you have an issue with your eye contact as you speak in a GD. Even if they are there, the idea is to ensure that you speak to everyone and not to someone special alone. Most of the time, we tend to look at people and talk to them who are either supporting our thoughts or are opposing our points vehemently. Why should the others be left out? Don t you have to discuss with every member in the group? Is it not a very democratic discussion wherein they deserve your attention for any point that is discussed? The idea is to (a) speak to all the members and let them feel that you are the one who can be trusted and you will be there to hear when they will make their points, and (b) know and strategize around those people who will be hostile to your ideas and logic. Please avoid a very long eye contact as it may mean otherwise either intimidating or something else altogether. Figure this out by taking a feedback from your peers if your eyecontact currently is good enough or you need to get the ideal way of doing it. Should I keep a smiling face or should I be serious? Normally, common sense prevails upon many who ask me this question. I generally advise anyone to keep a straight face to start with and there is nothing wrong to have a smiling face. People say this and they mean it Don t take anyone on face value. Why? You will feel that if someone is smiling when you are talking then you have sold him the idea and be shocked when the next disturbing question comes from that very person. Please understand that it is very much situation based and you will have to figure out that if there are situations wherein you will need to have a straight face and it will help in the discussion, who will stop you from doing that? You should be the one who will bring the group and the discussion together (maybe even others will do that which is better still), and therefore if you are approachable, then you should get more discussion threads directed towards you than anyone else. Isn t it nice when the group will wish to seek your opinion before going in for a conclusion? Some of the common errors in body-language that I have come across with students who sit for their practice GDs are: 1. They get into a shell when their points are being questioned and discussed animatedly in the group, which shows in their body language that closes up giving a clear communication that they are not comfortable. 2. They use excessive hand movements that at times seem a little hostile. 3. They seem to forget that there are a couple of people sitting right next to them, and avoid eye-contact with them throughout the discussion. 4. They come to the edge of their seats when something they feel is very important to prove or disprove. 5. They start using hand gestures that are un-parliamentary in any forum. This generally happens due to over excitement.
soumik.ganguly
Winning Half the Battle - Understanding our Communications St les
16-01-2009 01:46 PM
I will tell you the secrets of getting the other things in place (like clarity of thought, poise, manners, group think and group shift) in my following posts. Right now we will focus on how to get
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these body-language errors out of your system. It is imperative to mention out here that every person has two distinct communication styles for any situation. I will like to distinguish them as Primary communication style and the Backup Communication style. Most of you who are familiar with the MS Windows Operating system, will know that there is a normal mode and then there is a Safe mode as well. When you are in situations that are rewarding all that you are doing or saying, or maybe you are feeling very confident and getting things done by yourself, you will showcase your Primary communication style. This is a style that we hone and practice to get ourselves. This is the style that most GD practitioners give you feedback upon and you feel you have prepared enough. The problem comes when you are in situations that put you under a lot of stress and demand that you will have to support every logic of yours and win over those opponents. It is here that you Backup communication style becomes active and you communicate in a way that is probably alien to even yourself at that point of time. How many times have you come out of a GD and told yourself that you just did not know what happened but you lost it out there? That you could not just make any logic out of what you were saying? That you wish you could have handled it in some other way? This is the problem of not knowing your backup style. Let me give you an example. Harsh takes up a GD wherein he is the person who starts the discussion this is where he is performing at Primary Communication style. This style of his can be related to a direct communicator, who will be open to discussing points and ideas and will analyze everything that will be discussed. After 2 minutes, Harsh s points are beaten down by someone else on the basis of logic and the others now see that Harsh is not forthcoming with his ideas, and is catching up with others giving himself a lot of pauses to come back into the discussion. This is actually where his backup style comes into play. This style is related to a dormant communication style wherein the person just reacts rather than being proactive and it is visible in the way the participation in the discussion in done by him/her. I will provide some tools to help you figure out your own communication style and be aware of that backup style that can resurface anytime wherein you are pushed to the wall. But why take the pain in understanding the backup style at all? Can we do something about it? Being aware of the backup style helps you to consciously avoid getting into that style of communication and maintain your primary communication style throughout the discussion. Your Best chance to get brownie points in the GD depends upon your usage of the primary style. This has a direct effect on the Body language that is generally more open when you are performing at your primary style and closed when you are in your backup mode. I will suggest all students to ensure that after you have identified that backup style, ensure that you can replicate your primary style into your backup style as well. How will you do this? Very simple. You will have to tell yourself that you are feeling very confident
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the topic. In case someone else jumps onto it (which ma also be a recurring case), and ou find that there are still things that have not been told, ou can sa -adding onto what he had to sa , I will make the following observations... 2. I guess ou can understand the answer to this question of ours if ou can go through the posts once more time. Actuall , ou are not to give out all our points on a particular thing at one go, because taking cue from our point, someone else can contribute something good, on top of which ou can again add something interesting. The fear that ou ma not be able to speak/ma not get time to give out our points is unfounded. Even in fish-market situations, ou can enter the GD and give them different perspectives to re-enter the discussion. 3. Divide 30 minutes b 10 participants = 3 mins on an average. Thats all ou should plan for. Now, thankfull , some will not talk and ou will get more chances to talk if ou are listening properl and figuring out the entr points on offer. You can talk for 5-6 minutes and get our job done. remember, that in the entire equation, the other participants will also be contributing to our selection at times. 4. Open ended questions are alwa s welcome but should follow with what and HOW to do it. It will be important from the Jur 's perspective to get to know how logicall ou an think on a particular problem and come with a step-b -step solution. In case ou can have a PLAN B (which is kind of an alternative plan in case the first plan fails) then ou would probabl score more than an one else during that discussion. I hope I have been able to answer our queries... Please write back if share.. Cheers
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He So mik!! Thn o o m ch fo hi eall ef l fo m.. I am facing a lo of p oblem ega ding m GD p ep no .. Fi l , I ha e a lo oice and find m in o eal o ble hen he e man people ho ing o e .. Al o, I ha e no e po e of p blic peaking and ge o all d mbfo nded if he opic i no a e deba able one, ie if i lack poin hen i can cook p n peak.. I al o find ha i oo diffic l fo me o a ... plea e g ide...
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Re: Survival Tips for B-School GD-PI Processes Hi, So mik da .... I am po ing m app oach o a d a ca e d po ed ea lie b me.
Identif ing the major problem area and giving rating of the factors involved: The hole eam of CEO i ppo ed o be a e e o ei he an financial change o inno a ion in he e i ing em. Mo eo e he eam membe a e a comple e a iance i h he a of hinking of CEO. So e need o pe ade he membe of CEO abo he financial iabili of he change along i h hedding ligh on p o pec i e imp o emen ha ill be po ible i h hi kind of inno a i e mea e . Putting various angles together and e plaining the course of action: 1.The p opo ed mea e ill enable he compan o ha e fficien e o ce of mone a he di po al .The efo e i ill be po ible fo he compan o ind c h ge mone in diffe en depa men h p e en ing hem ge ing affec ed b ongoing ece ion. Ne p ojec o k can be aken p hich ill l ima el add o he p o pe i of emplo e a ell a emplo ee. 2.Enabling he ale eam o kno mo e abo p o pec i e p od c ill help he compan in man a : a.Kno ing mo e abo he p o pec i e p od c , he ale eam ill be in a po i ion o gi e al able inp abo p o and con of he p od c . I ill l ima el help inc ea ing o e all
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standard of the products. b. The sales team alwa s deal with the customers. So the are better aware about the liking , requirements of the customers. So taking their suggestion will help the compan in serving the prospective customers in better manner. So this decision will not introduce an proprietar concern for the compan . c.After persuading the members citing all the aforesaid advantages , if the still remained unconvinced then we need to talk with higher authorit and also CEO to make our decision successful . pl suggest whether m approach is ok or should I improve?
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Re: Survival Tips for B-School GD-PI Processes Soura These are the main issues:
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1. Culture of the organi ation that still is held up in the pre-liberalisation wa to doing things. Where people want to hold onto information to be powerful. The CEO is the most powerful, and therefore the others feel that b suggesting these things Raju and his team has used this privilege to create an 'impression' - this is more of a reaction from them. 2. Raju's wa of working with bigger teams - Working with teams does not onl have to be with our own team but including those people in the decision making process who ou feel will be the hurdles to our plan when ou present something like that to our CEO. 3. Mistake of Raju and team - Consulting the specific department/domain heads gives them the feeling that the are involved and then the also start attaching their own motives to the plan making it a good proposition infront of the CEO. It depends on the leadership of Raju now to ensure that he gets what he wants and not give into the ego issues of the other team members. Once ou begin in this wa , ou are ensuring the discussion goes in some structured pattern Culture fitment, Organi ational cultures, Structure of decision makers, cohesive teams, power centers, etc. The inferences ou can make would be how things work in companies like Infos s (that enjo ed the post-liberalisation wa of working) and companies like TATA / Godrej / Etc. I hope that All the best Cheers.
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Originall Posted b Souraj oti (Post 1359224) Hi, Soumik da .... I am posting m approach towards a case stud posted earlier b me.
Identif ing the major problem area and giving rating of the factors involved:
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Originall Posted b romil_mba (Post 1357378) He So mik!! Thn o o m ch fo hi eall ef l fo m.. I am facing a lo of p oblem ega ding m GD p ep no .. Fi l , I ha e a lo oice and find m elf in o eal o ble hen he e man people ho ing o e .. Al o, I ha e no e po e of p blic peaking and ge o all d mbfo nded if he opic i no a e deba able one, ie if i lack poin hen i can cook p n peak.. I al o find ha i oo diffic l fo me o a ... plea e g ide...
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which b- schools give which t pe of gd topics?i mean is it necessar that a b- school will alwa s give an abstract topic and another will alwa s give a conventional one. if in a fish market gd if ever one is shouting dan will it go in m favour if i dont shout or shud i shout even harder?
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Re: S r i al Tips for B-School GD-PI Processes Dear Shweta
20-01-2009 04:04 PM
1. Abstract topics are ver rare nowada s as there is a trend (which ma or ma not change) wherein BSchools have gone more into topics that ask for direct anal sis of data, knowledge of certain economic factors, etc. I will bet this ear too it will be no different as the overall economic slowdown and other related factors will lead the trend of economics related topics and corporate governance topics to have their presence felt across all B-School selection GDs. 2. You will be rejected along with the entire "Shouting" group if ou join the part . Again ou cannot just sit there and shake our head in disgust. What do ou do? In one of m previous posts on the "Fish Market GD", I have mentioned ou will have to re-enter the GD b bringing those shouting-team to their senses b providing a new problem for them related to the topic. In case the listen to ou, ou've won the game right there itself. The will mostl be thrown out. In case the do not listen, ou still have better chance in case the panel has to decide if the reall want to have someone from the group for the PI. In MAHA-CET GDs, the GD Score will dip due to overall group's performance but ou ma still get better points than the others.
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Thanks so much Soumik!! That was reall encouraging and i would definitell take ur advices.. will keep troubling u wid such queries.. :mg:
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Hi Soumik , ou are doing a great job here, hope u clear m doubt as well, How do ou go about writing a Group discussion summar , given that IIM-B and other institutes are giving equal weightage to GD summar and language, given the short time we have at our disposal to write it, What all do we need to include in it?
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I reall like these insightful ones that will help others also in their case stud discussions. Since it is a discussion, ou will have to get the basics in place before even going in for an further discussion about the compan . M suggestion is (and this is normall the wa these panelists will look at it), ou and the group will have to first have the framework in place. If things like culture, top management structure, ethics, financials are not mentioned but ou feel ou will need them during the discussion, please get them established right at the opening phase of the discussion. The other creative minds in the GD will then be thinking keeping these parameters in mind. In case ou are alone and the case stud is something that ou will need to write and submit, then please make teh assumptions b making the specific pointers at the beginning and then go ahead with our anal sis. Hope this solves it for ou. In case Cheers.
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M suggestion is (and this is normall the wa these panelists will look at it), ou and the group will have to first have the framework in place. If things like culture, top management structure, ethics, financials are not mentioned but ou feel ou will need them during the discussion, please get them established right at the opening phase of the discussion. The other creative minds in the GD will then be thinking keeping these parameters in mind. In case ou are alone and the case stud is something that ou will need to write and submit, then please make teh assumptions b making the specific pointers at the beginning and then go ahead with our anal sis. Hope this solves it for Cheers. ou. In case ou have further clarifications, please write back..
What I understood from our post was that we need to clarif assumptions regarding the compan . Is that right? I'll give
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The Case Stud was: A fertili er compan , Pi a and Urea, is located near a village, X, on the banks of river Pamba. One da , the villagers find fish d ing due to fluid waste from the fertili er plant. The communit makes representation to the govt. through their local MLA. Since fishing is the main source of income for these villagers, the govt. issues an order to close down the fetli er plant. The management is asked to compensate the villagers. The fertiliser compan 's contention is that the damage is not due to their fault. The compan manages to get a sta order on the govt, ruling from the high court. While the social activists file a case in the Supreme Court hoping for justice, the villager folk are deprived of their main source of income due to the death of the fishes. Suggest a solution to the problem in the case. Now, there was talk regarding compensation being given to the villagers in the form of jobs to be offered to the villagers. But then this gu comes up and sa s that since we are not provided with the compan 's si e and policies, we can not take it as a probable solution. Was that right? Our teacher did not point out an thing! Another thing that came up was the formation of a committee to look at the probabl reason for the fishes d ing. Then another gu said that "we know the s stems being followed in India, we can assume that the committee can not come up with a report on the matter in afew da s" and also talked about corruption. Was that right? I am bit confused if this should be done or not. Thanks Shivani
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The points that these people made were valid and could have been addressed much before these factors came up for discussion. As I have mentioned, please get the assumptions in place while beginning the discussion. This neccessaril does not mean that ou will be able to figure out all possible assumptions in the beginning, but covering most of them will help. One thing that can be done is to let the group come up with the assumptions themselves. This will enable lots of brainstorming, which will give ever one the basis points to begin with. In case something like the "corruption" point comes in, then ou face a challenge to think differentl from what ou have been discussing till then. This single point depending on its importance should be dealt with right there and finished / inducted into the further discussions threads. If it is highl important, then ou need to accept that, make certain deviations in terms of our points of what can be done to avoid/include such a situation and then go ahead with the discussion. I will send ou some more pointers on the case itself in sometime, once I am done with toda 's work at PG HQ. Cheers.
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Originall Posted b geminishi ani (Post 1374780) What I understood from our post was that we need to clarif assumptions regarding the compan . Is that right? I'll give
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The Case Stud was: A fertili er compan , Pi a and Urea, is located near a village, X, on the banks of river Pamba. One da , the villagers find fish d ing due to fluid waste from the fertili er plant. The communit makes representation to the govt. through their local MLA. Since fishing is the main source of income for these villagers, the govt. issues an order to close down the fetli er plant. The management is asked to compensate the villagers. The fertiliser compan 's contention is that the damage is not due to their fault. The compan manages to get a sta order on the govt, ruling from the high court. While the social activists file a case in the Supreme Court hoping for justice, the villager folk are deprived of their main source of income due to the death of the fishes. Suggest a solution to the problem in the case. Now, there was talk regarding compensation being given to the villagers in the form of jobs to be offered to the villagers. But then this gu comes up and sa s that since we are not provided with the compan 's si e and policies, we can not take it as a probable solution. Was that right? Our teacher did not point out an thing! Another thing that came up was the formation of a committee to look at the probabl reason for the fishes d ing. Then another gu said that "we know the s stems being followed in India, we can assume that the committee can not come up with a report on the matter in afew da s" and also talked about corruption. Was that right? I am bit confused if this should be done or not. Thanks
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